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20 Mar 2024 01:30:18
My view of Sunday was, it became a little easy and we never backed that up with good defending. I also think these players will learn and show the Premier league, how good we are. Come on Redmen.

20 Mar 2024 02:53:31
One thing I have said for a long time time, under Klopp I love the mentality he instills in his players because they go none stop. The utd game was one of them, it happens, it's a huge rival and we all know it swings in roundabouts, same goes for Everton. On paper we should win but it's always going to be one of them it doesn't matter how well we're doing or how bad they are doing, you just never know with these kinda of games. What is for sure though (in my opinion) is god help every team we face now, we had our bad game, now we bounce back and smash the league and Europa league. Both are already ours, mark my words.

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20 Mar 2024 06:55:23
I think a bit of complacency has crept into us as regards playing utd, both league game + Cup game we played v slow. Probably stemm8ng from fact we have give them a few hidings recently and the media+fan build up is how many will lfc score. I would expect us to put that right in league game and play with a bit of anger and intensity.
Also sunday could've just been a game too many, we can't forget how many games we've played over last 2 months missing 5-10 1st team players.

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20 Mar 2024 08:50:49
@Howmuch1, I and disagree with you there. at Arsenal in the 3rd round, the same thing happened to them in the first half when they could not take their chances. Nobody accused them of complacency. Even City have such games where they get sloppy like that so as @Salah said, it happens.

In the past, we have accused Klopp's team for playing the occasion and not the actual game whenever we play Utd and that literally happened when we played them at Anfield today with the media and certain fans of both sides claiming stupidly that it would be another 7 nil drubbing whereas anyone with a functioning brain knew that would not happen.

Now with Sun., I don't think cannot accuse the team of playing the occasion or being a bit complacent at any point, IMO. This is cos we dominated them from about 5 mins before the moment Endo scored (and got disallowed) till the 80th when we started feeling the burn of tiredness. During that span, Utd were NOWHERE to be found on the pitch or in the stands cos thy went quiet.

Why? Cos we were NEVER complacent in our actual play during that period. We bossed them off their own pitch cos we were focused took no risks and nothing for granted. Complacency does NOT give you that type of focus. What did us was our inability to take our chances. We had a 5v2 which did not yield to even a shot on target. That is sloppiness and lack of urgency, not complacency cos the approach play was brilliant. You need focus and control to pull that off, IMO.

For me, it was sloppiness and lack of attention to detail and lack of urgency and in the final stages, the legs were gone to the point that we now know that Darwin, Diaz and Gakpo copped injuries near the end. Complacency did not lead to such injuries. Tiredness did. Just my opinion.

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20 Mar 2024 09:11:52
We keep failing to turn up in big games and saying we’ll learn from it. We never do.

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20 Mar 2024 11:14:22
Oh wow, look who's back. It's OneKiss. Ain't seen you around for months and suddenly after we lose a game, here you are posting. So based on your response, did you come here to gloat as soon as we lost our first gale in about 12 (in all comps. )? Or do you only care about LFC when we lose so you can come spout your negativity, something you seemingly never do when we win? Just asking for a friend.

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20 Mar 2024 18:45:18
Hahahahaha, Oli. You're in special form, today.

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19 Mar 2024 21:22:39
When Klopp leaves could we still employ him to convince players to join Liverpool?

20 Mar 2024 06:43:10
We could get him a permanent base in blackpool for tapping players up.

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20 Mar 2024 08:44:28
That would be the caravan under the Central Pier.

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20 Mar 2024 08:51:35
With you as his chief scout, you would make a "great" duo.

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20 Mar 2024 09:19:30
There's as much chance of that happening as there is of you making a sensible post KnickerBollox lad.

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20 Mar 2024 18:46:30
Stop knocking a guy who's trying. 😉😊.

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20 Mar 2024 18:56:27
Sensible is boring Flash. Obviously this was tongue in cheek referencing Klopp’s tapping up abilities. I do know of a few posters who are even more outlandish than me mate but not many I suppose 😅.

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19 Mar 2024 10:35:28
10 games to go in the League - I think we win every game and the League is ours. Will be tough but we have done these type of winning runs before.

Also, if we can smash a few teams then goal difference won't matter lol, though a draw in the Arsenal City game would be a good result for us

10 Cup Finals, and we put Sunday's disappointment behind us lads.

19 Mar 2024 11:56:36
Bill, been over Sunday already. We lost and we have only ourselves to blame hence, we need to continue working hard and improving on all fronts including managerially.

We need to do this if we want to have any chance of winning the title and that Utd fixture at OT is looming large right now. However before any of that, one game at a time like we have been doing and with the injured players coming back meaning more options off the bench, we'll be solid for the run-in, IMO.

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19 Mar 2024 13:40:59
Absolutely Bill, we'll do it mate, bring the lot of them on. It's our time to shine, we'll definitely be lifting that trophy. Personally, was only discussing it earlier I think arsenal will drop points, I don't see city dropping many but I believe we'll come out on top. Game on! It's an exciting time.

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19 Mar 2024 16:59:07
Absolutely Bill mate. We start hitting 4’s and 5’s every game like we were earlier this year and we are golden on the goal difference front. But for my heart health I would rather a draw in the City Arsenal game. Or for City to win, because that would still put it in our hands.

The boys literally have to take it one game at a time and approach the remaining league fixtures like cup finals.

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19 Mar 2024 17:14:53
Agree it’s going to take 1 team to get maximum points.

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19 Mar 2024 17:24:50
One of the most (if not the most) exciting title races in premier league history.

City and Arsenal have tough CL games and Coty are still in the fa cup also.

We can put our primary focus onto the league and I’d still fancy us in the Europa with how we’ve rotated so far.

City and Arsenal will need to go fulll strength for every CL game they have left to play.

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19 Mar 2024 19:32:15
@Bill - Yes, I have a feeling we will do it. With 10 games remaining it is a great place to be in.

Come on @Salah, @Davey Mates - let's get some good vibes in.

@Alonso1786 - I am not sure what I want from that game. A part of me feels City are more dangerous in the long run so, City losing will give us that comfort cushion. But if Arsenal wins this game, it will become difficult to stop them. Either a draw or an Arsenal win is what I am leaning towards.

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19 Mar 2024 20:08:38
This title race is only exciting by recent standards. In the 90's and 2000's it wasn't uncommon to have 3 teams challenging for the title at this stage of the season.

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19 Mar 2024 20:49:22
I think City will draw two games and one of those will be Arsenal and the other Spurs
I think Arsenal will lose one and draw two of their remaining games.
I think Liverpool will finish the season with 8 more wins and a couple of draws
We pip Pep to the title on the last day by a pube!

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19 Mar 2024 23:27:22
10 cup finals and we can win each one. Sunday was a bad day at the office and we won’t make that mistake again. Pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and carry on.

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20 Mar 2024 06:45:01
Finally some sense being spoken.

Thank you Bill.

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20 Mar 2024 08:53:15
Shughes55, Arsenal's schedule in the final 10 games at least on paper is absolutely B-R-U-T-A-L! Rather them than us, me thinks.

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19 Mar 2024 09:13:14
We Are Winning the TRIPLE!

19 Mar 2024 13:41:18
Absolutely mate.

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PSR Regulations

19 Mar 2024 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, PSR Regulations

19 Mar 2024 08:43:19
That’s an interesting article ed1. Cheers for that mate. Are we free and clear of any looming charges do you think? Or have we been a good little club?

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{Ed001's Note - there has been no suggestion of any breaches involving us that I know of. Certainly we have never reported accounts that would put us anywhere near the £105m losses.}

19 Mar 2024 09:08:37
Good read Ed sounds like clubs are finally going to be brought into line, might even bring players obscene wages down.
But bringing the UK government weather that's a blue one or a red one (not that there's any difference these days) sounds like a recipe for disaster, there's just too much money in football for them to keep their greedy hands off and not corrupt the sport even more.

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{Ed001's Note - that could be a problem if they decide to interfere, but then greed has run footie which is why we have a Premier League in the first place. We looked at Scotland's version, and how it was making the clubs richer, rather than their league, and the clubs wanted a piece of that pie. It has always been driven by greed, so if someone else sticks their finger in for a piece, the clubs only have themselves to blame.}

19 Mar 2024 17:12:48
Ed1. How does the government stepping in impact City’s case? I’m asking because I have ZERO faith in the FA having the balls to charge them. And if I’m being honest, I don’t trust the fact that no dodgy business is going on behind the scenes.

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{Ed001's Note - imo I think we will see lots of behind the scenes negotiations, which will result in a new trade deal between the UAE and the UK just after City are basically let off their charges with a slap on the wrist (at most).}

19 Mar 2024 17:43:44
Ed1. I thought as much. They will get off with a warning and probably a fine. And we know a fine is basically worthless to City.

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{Ed001's Note - I think so sadly.}

20 Mar 2024 01:40:52
100%, Ed. This is the real reason nothing will happen to City and the number one reason, beyond the limitless funds, that governments should never be involved in sports ownership. Clubs with government protection have no reason to abide by the rules.
I’m done with football with City get off their charges, there would be no reason to care or spend money and time on it any longer.

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20 Mar 2024 06:48:37
Surly after everton + forest getting points deductions the precedent has been set? City charges completly different as has been explained but surly given severityof some of charges book will be thrown at them. there lawyers may wriggle out pf it eventually but if they don't receive stiff punishment in 1st place ye may forget about the premier league football.

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18 Mar 2024 12:55:21
Edd001 are you still under the bed? Was that result a big blow to our confidence do you think or will it spur us on?

{Ed001's Note - I just think the players looked tired. They made bad decisions because they were making tired decisions. The injuries caught up to us at a bad time. We really needed that game after the internationals rather than before. Hopefully most of the players will be back to something approaching full match sharpness after the break. It could go either way now, if we come back firing it will be a spur and drive us on to mame up for it. But a bad mistake could pile pressure on with the players so desperate to win for Klopp and that could cause issues.}

18 Mar 2024 14:47:30
When people like Gakpo play like we are 5-0 up every time they play no wonder we are making poor decisions, he needs a massive boot up the arse and Danns to be coming on instead of him until he learns we play at full pace or nothing, massive let down, thought the decision to take Robbo off was poor too, they couldn't handle that left side until then, i get he did it because Anthony likes to turn inside on his left but let's be real, it was Anthony and they showed too much respect for a poor player, bad decision making all round yesterday, field and the bench.

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18 Mar 2024 14:53:43
Edd001 did you think it was wise with 1 minute to go to put everyone forward for the corner leaving bradley alone for 3 against 1. Endos legs were well gone to catch up.

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{Ed001's Note - if he hadn't you would have been complaining he didn't go for it. It is always a risk. We stuck with the way we always play at corners and got unlucky, it happens.}

18 Mar 2024 15:06:30
@FSG. Gakpo is going through a horrible patch. He looks unrecognisable. But has shown when he first came to the club that he is a player. One thing I have learnt from our club is not to write off players straight away. I admit I sometimes fall into that trap. We have all learnt with a number of our players that we thought were done but they managed to pull it back. As for Danns, he looks like a very good prospect but needs game time.

The boys have to erase this game out their heads. 10 cup finals in the title race to bring to bring the Premier League home. Just hope City either beat Arsenal or at the very least it ends up a draw because that would put it in our hands. Play to our level and we get through the semi’s of the Europa and in a final anything can happen.

Yesterday was a bitter pill to swallow because it’s United and every fan wants to win every competition, but todays a new day, so you got to just take it and move on. But one things for sure we can’t afford to drop anymore points in the league. Or any off performances or games where we don’t finish our chances in Europa Cup because we will be punished. So a lot to play for still.

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18 Mar 2024 15:34:16
Piling up for a corner worked against Notts forest and got us 3 valuable points, got caught yesterday but we attack minded team who always try to win a game.
And that's the way I want lfc to play.

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18 Mar 2024 16:46:35
Spot on lads and Ed01. I was mad at the way we mismanaged the game as well BUT our guys looked dead on their feet and the accumulation of games finally told and we all knew it would at some point. I can accept a lost like this (our 4th of the season in all comps. ) under these circumstances.

IMO, I think it is just painful and frustrating cos of WHO we played more than anything else, a team I would not want to lose an argument to let alone a football match. It is what it is. At the end of the day, we play Utd twice and if I had to lose one to them, I'd rather it be this one. We go again cos Brighton like it or not, is a much bigger game than this one.

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18 Mar 2024 16:46:41
@FSG, you attacking Gakpo is just showing your wretched attempt at scapegoating cos he was NOT even on the pitch when those chances were being missed so take a day off with the scapegoating cos it is just petty and of poor taste. Gakpo is one of the reasons we are even here to begin with cos he and Diaz were the only two forwards who were fit and helped us win 4 games in ELEVEN days, something Klopp himself did not think was possible before hand. He is having a bad time of it, just like Diaz and Darwin did earlier in the season. Pretty sure it happens in football to all players.

And forget the Danns comparison too. He is literally a kid and him coming on to effect the game full of youthful adrenaline suddenly does NOT make him fit enuff to talk to Gakpo who is a muh better player than he is, despite his tough run so far. Miss me with such foolishness, please.

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18 Mar 2024 17:27:08
If the players were so tired it begs the question why did we play such a strong team in the europa when we'd already won the tie?

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18 Mar 2024 20:53:08
Red-Will-is-1, it's not like you could field the academy in a European game either cos that goes against UEFA's competitino guidelines. We fielded the team we had and Klopp got reviews for doing so so as to rotate, give guys like Szobo and Salah minutes to get up to speed with their finess. Same goes for Robbo.

Not sure what the prob. is here cos Klopp has been doing this since Jan in an injury crises. This is nothing new and cos it did not work on this one occasion does NOT mean it was the wrong decision either as recent history has shown. Or are we now engaging in hidsight stuff again just cos we lost our 4th game in all comps. this season, everyone now seem to be geniuses after the fact?

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18 Mar 2024 21:02:21
Really think people allow their own feelings and insecurities drive their perception of the team. I mean it’s natural I guess, but haven’t we seen far more evidence of this teams bounce back ability?

This isn’t directed at the OP but in general the response from many Liverpool fans especially regarding comments about Gakpo have been an embarrassment to the club and football followers in general.

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18 Mar 2024 22:29:20
Not the whole academy no. But perhaps McConnell instead of Endo and maybe Koumas instead of Nunez for example. Endo and Nunez are certainly not short of minutes and could have been saving their legs for a game that mattered. Not hindsight stuff as you put it. Just logical, makes sense stuff. I'm Klopps biggest fan but like any human he sometimes gets things wrong. He got this wrong in my opinion and people are allowed to have their opinion aren't they?
We shouldn't have lost that game. We got ourselves into the winning position and lacked the game management to see it out. Players (nunez, Elliott) and klopp. Its a real shame. I think im upset by it because I want klopp to leave with the best send off and another cup and it feels like we threw that game away somewhat.
Im sure we will bounce back in the next game. I'm not worried that we've become bad all of a sudden I'm just gutted we threw that one away with some poor play and poor choices. It's a shame.

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19 Mar 2024 00:53:43
I'm with Red Willis on this. The European cup tie was basically a done deal and we could have fielded a much younger team to give those who have been playing a lot a much needed rest. Players like McConnell, Koumas, and Tsimikas should have started. Understand that we do have players coming back that need the minutes too, like Nunez, Salah, and Szob but there was no reason for both Salah and Szob to play the full game in what is essentially a dead rubber game.

I love Klopp and what he has done for the club but I think we can agree that he and the team got it wrong for this FA game. I think he severely underestimated Utd and overestimated our players' capability to keep churning out results despite their fatigue.

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19 Mar 2024 01:04:19
lost a game we shouldn't have at OT, won a trophy we arguably shouldn't have. it's sports and it's how it goes.
if the world worked as it should then City would win everything all the time.

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19 Mar 2024 09:01:21
I’d prefer it if we were to win every game we ever play but in the context of what’s left this season, if we had to lose a game, a game in the FA Cup isn’t the worst one to lose. If we needed a bit of a kick up the backside this was a good game for it. Not a good performance by any means, let’s take the lesson and move on.

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19 Mar 2024 12:06:03
Dracred and Red-Will-is-1, I respectfully disagree cos when it comes to lineups, everyone seems to be smarter only after all the facts are known and only after we don't win. That what pundits do and I can't stand them for that. A manager does not have that luxury cos he is dealing with the reality in real time so he has to go with the best info provided to him in real time. Sorry, I do not subscribe to that mess. And how many times has Klopp had the "wrong" lineup and still won? Again, not bothered with such things anymore cos there are NO guaranties if footie. The fact that I have to say that is weird already.

Klopp played the team he had based on the info he had and again cos it did not work does not mean it was the wrong thing either. After all had we taken our chances, would this convo be happening? If the answer is no then why da football should it happen now? Cos we lost? Nah, hindsight intelligence does NOTHING for me. If we were okay with the lineup before the loss then sorry, we can't come back an start kicking off on something we did not complain about when we were winning. If you said nothing then? Say nothing now, really.

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19 Mar 2024 12:13:24
@ OliRed, give over, Gakpo was terrible and he lost the ball many times and didn't even have it in him to take anyone one, he linked up nothing and brought nothing, take off your Red tinted glasses, not bothered if you like it or not, give your opinion, you slag players and have a fit if no one agrees with you then stick your tongue up the arse of anyone who slightly agrees with you. The team selection for Thursday was ridiculous and cost us, the subs cost us on Sunday too, it happens, Klopp and his team aren't perfect, stop acting like they are and crying when people think they aren't. Salah got 90 mins in a dead rubber, then looked shattered after 45 mins of a massive game, that's poor decision making.

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19 Mar 2024 13:54:40
FSG you have no clue what you are talking about.

How do you know that the team selection on Thursday cost us? How do you know that the subs on Sunday cost us?

If we’d played a weakened side on Thursday and sent Salah, Nunez et al out half baked in Sunday we might have lost 3-0.

Also if we’d left Szob and Salah on we could’ve lost it in normal time 3-2. We will never know.

To look at it after the fact and say ‘if we’d have done this then that would’ve happened’ is pure conjecture and quite frankly is absolute nonsense.

If you want to criticise players then that’s your prerogative but you simply cannot say with any degree of certainty that a different line up on Thursday or different subs on Sunday would’ve made any difference whatsoever.

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19 Mar 2024 16:43:40
@Becker, of course i can, why didn't Salah attempt once to take on Wan Bassaka? He was coming back from weeks off and played 90 mins instead of 45 is crazy. Gakpo has shown he is a very good player but he needs to up his tempo, he had a shocking game so i called it, rotation is massive to help players stay sharp, Szob went off injured, different case, we missed his drive when he went off, didn't miss Salah when he went off, United struggled and we dominated the left when Robbo was on, soon as he went off that threat went.

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19 Mar 2024 17:39:08
The thing with Gakpo is, he has been playing poorly for a while now . seems slow n indecisive. But I do think a fixed position for him would see him settle better . we all know he is a good player n he had showed it for us n the Dutch national team.

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19 Mar 2024 17:43:07
I think it’s safe to say if Klopp knew Sundays game was going to go for 120 mins then selection and substitutions would have possibly been different on the Thursday.

Looking at both games now the Utd game was the harder one but I think we kind of thought it was a forgone conclusion after City performance that we would win.

It’s never nice to lose to your rivals but hopefully that result has removed any complacency the players and fan base (I’m Guilty of this) were building up thinking that it was a case of well just win every game.

Brighton next which is always a tough game for us but probably a good game for us to get back focused and hopefully back to winning ways.

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19 Mar 2024 19:57:35
So FSG you are telling me that Salah didn’t try to take Wan Bissaka on because he played an extra 45 minutes on Thursday? Are you for real?

How do you know the threat on the left side would’ve continued if Robbo stayed on? You don’t.

We lost a game, sometimes there’s no one to blame it’s just football. We’ve had our fair share of late winners over the years and even over the course of this season but this time it happened to us.

If this had happened and that had happened we would’ve won is just pointless. Klopp had his reasons for playing who he played and he’s the manager with all of the info in front of him. Just accept it. You don’t know if a different decision would’ve had a better outcome. As much as you think you do, you don’t. Nobody does.

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21 Mar 2024 16:28:43
So we should just watch a game without passion or feeling or no thought of our own because hindsight isn't real, nice, this sight would be quiet if no one reacted to the goings on around matches etc.

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18 Mar 2024 09:48:06
Bad day at the office yesterday, it happens and you just have to take it on the chin. One thing I will say though is some of the players looked lethargic yesterday, which begs the question, why did klopp go full strength on Thursday when we were already 5-1 up?

18 Mar 2024 10:11:45
Thursday was a cake walk, the players barely broke a sweat.
We allowed United to get back in that game by not shutting up shop and not taking advantage when we were on top. Poor game management.

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18 Mar 2024 10:53:44
Liverpool were lack lustre from the start, no urgency at all. I thought they were complacent but saying that they also looked tired, obviously the Thursday game played a part of it . Thing what bothers me though is that is the worst United team we've seen in a decade and we should always be up for these games, the game was there for the taking. but let's dust ourselves down n more forward.

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18 Mar 2024 11:00:07
I think we have to give Utd some credit too Mikey. We should’ve finished them off in the second half the game almost became too easy but they took some risks and got a lot of players forward.

They got a couple of lucky bounces of the ball and it was a good finish from Antony.

They then took advantage of 2 tired mistakes in extra time.

It’s a game where we’ll be kicking ourselves as it was there for the winning but fair play to Utd they kept going, threw players forward and got their reward.

On to the next one.

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18 Mar 2024 11:09:22
No intensity killed us, we had poor game management by the team as well, no urgency to get the third until ET, we should of walked that game if we turned up the press.

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18 Mar 2024 11:36:58
We win some we lose some. I’m over the defeat and said we have to bounce back against Brighton.

As for you Beckers and that high horse of yours. I have been on this site for probably 15 years. Who knows maybe longer so the holy than thou act don’t really wash with me nor impress me. In your reply below you say me and Mango. But then go onto specifically address Mango about turning up when defeats occur. Maybe don’t lump people in the same box? I’m here win lose or draw. Stick to one argument when directly countered. So address this statement first. Actually, don’t as I can’t be bothered going back and forth with you to be honest.

As for last season, Klopp’s sub choices were poor. What do you want me to say, jump onboard with your line of thinking? As fans we are entitled to have a difference of opinions. Btw im here every week. Mainly in the live chat, which I assume is below you and I have maintained both here and the live chat - that Klopp is a great manager. Given me the best times as a Liverpool fan. But his one weakness is sub choices (for me) . And in a number of games it’s cost us. Is that being a terrible fan or less than a fan than you, your Lordship. The players have done well but I won’t be a fan that just says yeah everything was okay and hey things happen. If you want that then you have to look elsewhere because you won’t be getting it from me.

The funny thing is if an Ed said Klopp is a great manager. I want him to have the a great send off. But for me, his sub choices have killed our momentum in a number of games. I can almost guarantee you wouldn’t have this energy. Anyways, I’m done responding to you, your Lordship Mr Beckers. I’ll continue to support the club, win and yes lose or draw. Starting with Brighton. And if I see something I feel I don’t like. I will continue to have my own opinion and will voice it. Cheers 👍.

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18 Mar 2024 11:41:31
Typical FA cup game should’ve won but faded badly in last ten minutes and the underdogs came through that’s all that happened. Rather we take three points of em in premier league later this season
Up the pool.

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18 Mar 2024 12:14:07
We can turn it into a positive by not making those mistakes again. Wrong Subs, not taking chances, full strength in Europe 3 days before….

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18 Mar 2024 13:02:05
Poor game management and poor substitutions by Klopp, im afraid. Its got to be called out. He deserves all the praise and admiration when he gets things right but it was a shocker to play a full strength side against Sparta. Especially as we scored 4 goals in the first 15 min.
Id take this result in exchange for tonking Utd in the league any day but can't help wondering if the passion might be notched up a level once TAA and Curtis are back?

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18 Mar 2024 12:50:45
Spot on LiverpoolFC8. Those 3 points are exactly what I have being saying that played a part in the result. But the game is gone and we must move on. We still have the league and Europa Cup to win.

If Arsenal draw or lose against City and we win our remaining 10 games and the league is ours. We have all witnessed City pulling 15 game winning streaks over 7 years now. So we have to treat every match like a cup final from here on out, starting with Brighton. Nothing would be better than seeing Klopp off with the league and Europa to add to the Carabao Cup. Followed by FSG announcing Alonso as the man to take over the reigns.

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18 Mar 2024 13:53:24
Alonso, you have been around for plenty of wins this season, (as has Mango), so I don't think you've been saving up a little hit piece for weeks, you have to admit it's pretty bloody hard to maintain that Klopp's sub choices have killed our momentum in games this season. You've suggested it's a general, worsening issue. I've only seen it yesterday, and the PL game away to Arsenal.

We've outscored literally every other top-flight team in the country in second halves and I think in the last 20 minutes too. That surely suggests that Klopp's subs have generally been on point, doesn't it? Which is what I've seen with my own eyes too.

I find people here generally can get very precious about the sanctity of their opinions when someone disagrees. Opinions have to have a basis in reality, or else they're open to challenge.

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18 Mar 2024 14:41:30
Says he's over it then continues to rant like a 5 year old child who didn't have things his own way.
Learn to let it go, you can't change it no matter how much you vent on here.

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18 Mar 2024 14:41:57
@Something Red. Thank you backing up that I don’t just turn up when we lose. And I actually respect all opinions. This is what makes the forum what it has grown into. We are allowed to disagree without being disagreeable. Thing is I weren’t being challenged. In fact I got called embarrassing and accused of being a poster that only turns up when we lose and enjoying when we lose (I mean seriously) so I can run some sinister agenda. Which is an absolutely misguided, a strange observation, absurd and not to mention straight up incorrect!

I don’t mind others not agreeing with me, because we can’t all think the same. For example not everyone will agree on what players they like in the squad. That goes for any fanbase. Some fans will say they really like player X and they bring a lot to the team. And others will say player X brings nothing to the table and hinders their play. It’s all opinions at the end of the day and I’m not the all seeing and knowing and can also be wrong in my opinions.

In what I have seen over a few years as I have watched every single one of our games win, lose of draw mind. And I have been left baffled at Klopp’s sub choices quite a few times. On a side note, it was good to get an outside perspective from someone who doesn’t support Liverpool. And when I brought up the fact that Klopp’s subs killed our momentum the City game, Ed25 jumped in and said he also noticed that after watching the game. City were there for the taking but our subs left us playing for a draw towards the end of the game. Again, the team have been superb and so has Klopp. But he ain’t perfect and for me subs are his one weakness if you zoom out of just this season and take last season into account or can even go back further. That’s all I’m saying.

Just want to reiterate that Klopp weren’t solely to blame for the result against City. End product played a major part and Klopp weren’t solely responsible for the result against United, because if our end product was better we would have comfortably won that game. But playing a full strength team 3 days before in essentially a dead rubber game falls on him. And sub choices for me in the United game killed our momentum and that falls on him.

Anyways appreciate the open and respectful discussion even if we don’t agree on some things. Which is how things should be….

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18 Mar 2024 14:55:47
Looks like I touched a nerve Alonso. It’s fine, you’re entitled to your opinion but it’s hard to accept when literally all of the evidence points to the opposite. You’re typical of someone with confirmation bias. You have criticised the sub choices so often that you were desperate for a game where the subs didn’t work so you could say ‘I told you so’. That just doesn’t wash with me.

This whole holier than thou and superfan nonsense is just a red herring. You’re trying to criticise me because in your eyes I’m trying to say I’m above you when that is simply not the case. I just understand that in football, as in any sport things don’t always go your way.

As fans our job is to support the team on the pitch. I understand the frustrations I really do as nobody likes to lose a game especially away at one of your biggest rivals but if you can’t hack it and have to make up bogus reasons as to why it happened then you’re better off not bothering. The team is better off without you.

How can you possibly ask these players and this manager to give you everything when at the first sign of trouble you want to say how rubbish they are and how you could’ve done better?

If you’re a Liverpool fan then own it, win lose or draw. I think the main problem with people nowadays is they can’t handle the gloating of rival fans on social media and so they lash out when things don’t work out exactly as they wanted. They are way too quick to criticise their own team as it allows them to save face, as if to say ‘well it’s not my fault, Klopp’s subs are rubbish’.

Just own it mate, take it on the chin and accept that supporting a football team doesn’t mean winning every week and winning every trophy. We have one trophy in the bag, are joint top of the league and are in the quarter final of the Europa League. I think that’s pretty good for a manager who is limited and makes poor substitutions every week.

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18 Mar 2024 15:42:05
Beckers. It appears we misunderstand each other which is fine. Same way the holy then thou is a red herring, the sub choices so often that you were desperate for a game where the subs didn’t work so you could say ‘I told you so’ is a red herring and don’t wash with me. Im here cheering the team come rain or shine, win or lose and will say you know what, no excuse we got beaten by the better side on the day. Any of the long standing posters who are in the live chat every week can attest to that. And as you’re not in the live chat every week I can see why you have that perception of me, which again is fine.

As for you can’t win every game, being here win, lose or draw I’ll let you settle down as you seem amped up as if you have been storing this up for a while. Then you can read back over everything I have said. You will actually find we are aligned on that. But if you want to point score and be the one that has “won” the argument. Then fine, so be it.

Anyways, I’ll keep it respectful going forward and will leave the holy than thou stuff out and you keep it respectful your end. Plus we both support the same team and even if in your mind you think I want my own team that I have supported since early childhood memory to lose (which I unsure if I find funny or absurd) . So going against each other in not really an open and respectful way serves no purpose. So let’s end by agreeing to disagree and leave the forum to other discussions.

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18 Mar 2024 16:53:18
Nice one, lads. For me, the subs have been great from the off this season so for the one time it does not go well (esp. with the injuries and fatigue we are dealing with right now), not sure it's that big of an effect. As I have said before and I was peeved we lost BUT at the end of the day, the fatigue told at the end on these players minds and bodies after the past weeks playing every 3 days and essentially winning all our games including a Cup at Wembley. Can't cheat nature, Im afraid. It's undefeated for a reason.

That being said, we play Utd again in the PL and that is the game I would have lost my crap had we lost it this way with all the collective and individual mistakes. so not arsed cos well, again, Klopp did not promise me a Quad so ain't arsed about what I was not promised.

Onto Brighton and trust me, that is the BIGGER than this game Utd won even tho, I never want to lose to that wretched lot who are STILL useless regardless of these "big" result.

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18 Mar 2024 18:17:11
Took us time to adjust to United's man marking first half. They were first to every second ball and wouldn't let us settle. Once we did we should have seen the game out. But credit to United they battled on and won the day. Hopefully the boys learned some things yesterday and will put it right in 3 weeks time. I'll take the league win over a cup win.

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18 Mar 2024 21:17:26
It’s fine Alonso, maybe I misread the tone of your post which is always possible with the written word without body language for context.

You posted something above about Gakpo that I whole heartedly agree with so we are not completely on a different page.

I just get frustrated when people don’t realise how good they have it being a Liverpool fan. We are the best club in the world in my opinion and what makes us that is the undying loyalty of our fan base. We are a family and we should always support each other come rain or shine not throw our toys out of the pram when a result doesn’t go the way we wanted.

No problem though mate, I’ve got no problem with you personally and I’m sure we’ll agree on more than we disagree on.

Agree3

18 Mar 2024 22:18:45
@Beckers. It’s all good mate. No hard feelings on my side. And you’re right, we do have it good. I just hope we give Klopp the send off he deserves. Here’s to us hopefully winning the treble 🍻.

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19 Mar 2024 00:47:51
Lack of execution.
When you have so much possession in the opponents final third you have to make it count.

Liverpool were too comfortable in the second half, coasting along.

You can do that when you’re 3-0 up, not 2-1 away from home.

We need better options up front. Sorry Darwin, love your energy but you’re too wasteful. Should be replaced in summer by a new manager with fresh eyes.

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19 Mar 2024 03:45:08
Sorry Ron, I have to disagree with your last statement there. Nunez brings so much more to the team than just goals. He unsettles the opposition defense, which helps our other attackers find the time and space they need. If we want someone who just scores goals, we can go for someone like Haaland. Bangs them in for fun but completely ineffective when he does not get the service he needs.

I believe that getting rid of Nunez would be a major mistake, especially since I just can't see anyone out there who would be an improvement on Nunez.

Agree7

19 Mar 2024 08:15:13
Nunez has the ability to be the best striker in the world and is improving all the time.

Selling him now would be absolutely crazy. When Salah goes there’s your 20-30 goal a season man, I’d much rather him be doing that for us than for someone else.

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{Ed025's Note - wow that is some statement BP, bulls arses and banjo,s come to mind when i think of him mate.. :)

19 Mar 2024 09:09:50
He already has 17 goals and 14 assists this season across all competitions Ed, and he must have hit the frame of the goal half as many times. So Beckers' prediction of him being a 20-30 goal striker isn't that far off ;)

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{Ed025's Note - i happen to rate him Drac, but "has the ability to be the best striker in the world"....come on!!, talk about over egging mate..

19 Mar 2024 12:14:10
Ron Keague, oh miss me with the Nunez slander cos it is getting tedious to read now. Seems when we don't win, he is the or one of the scapegoats whereas we all know he is key to the way we attack. Did I also mention that it was his assist that led to the equalizer and it was his shot that got Parried onto Salah for him to score and give us the lead? Absolute tosh, man.

And what chances did he get today that he was wasteful? Seriously, were you watching the game with your eyes wide shut or did you just see the highlight?

Oh and a guy with 17 goals and 13 assists in all comps. is "all energy" and "wasteful". Man, go take a nap cos you sound like a MOTD pundit parroting the same schtick of "Darwin was wasteful" whereas he never was based on the actual game. Pfffftt!

Agree2

19 Mar 2024 10:54:23
Watching Suarez in his first 2 years you’d say the same Ed. You’re say the same about Kane in his many loans and early in his Spurs career. Soldado was ahead of him for a season and a half.

Nunez is only in his 4th season of top level football, his rise has been meteoric so it’s inevitable he would need time to adjust.

He’s shown me enough for me to be extremely confident we have a proper player on our hands. I thought it when he was at Benfica and nothing I’ve seen of him at Liverpool changes my mind.

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{Ed025's Note - i think hes a very good player BP and frightens the life out of defenders mate, but "has the ability to be the best in the world"....high accolade that for someone who misses so many chances imo..

19 Mar 2024 14:52:11
We’ll see Ed. I seem to remember you saying something similar about DCL only a few years ago.

I do think Nunez is the real deal though.

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{Ed025's Note - time will tell as you say BP. But at the moment he is probably the 3rd best forward at Liverpool mate never mind the world..

20 Mar 2024 22:06:44
OliRed - just collecting receipts 👍.

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