Liverpool banter 4

21 Apr 2024 06:11:06
My last Klopp away game today (can’t get tickets for any others without paying hundreds of pounds)
Jurgen it’s been emotional, you are an unbelievable manager and I have thoroughly enjoyed you being ours!

21 Apr 2024 08:47:03
Enjoy Shughes

Create that atmosphere and be our 12th man mate.

21 Apr 2024 14:40:47
Enjoy it mate. Hopefully the performance matches your energy and commitment.

Really hope Jurgen goes for it these last few games - full throttle, just like the old days.

21 Apr 2024 21:37:21
Sounded like a brilliant atmosphere there today. Much better than recently.

21 Apr 2024 01:55:23
I'm disappointed like everyone else how the season looks like ending.
But I'm determined to enjoy the last few weeks of Jurgen, I'm so proud of how far we have come in the last 9 years and everyone of my friends who support other teams have always said I wish we could have him as our coach.

21 Apr 2024 05:14:15
Well said lad.
Jurgen Norbert Klopp has been unbelievable and I will be very sad on the 19th to see him go. He has given us our belief and also left us with a young and positive squad.
I respect his decision as he looks gaunt and worn out, Jurgen go enjoy life with Ulla and your family, respect, you will always be a red!

21 Apr 2024 09:22:02
Afraid we will finish 3rd and the 3 handled egg cup. Really hope the club don’t do a parade it’ll be so embarrassing and we’ll be the laughing stock of many.
Thanks for the memories but time to move on.

21 Apr 2024 09:30:05
Klopp is free to do whtever he damn well pleases. This great man owes me absolutely nothing. He has given us every inch of his blood, sweat and tears and IMO, exceeded all expectations I had for him when he came in cos pretty sure nobody thought we would be on this wild ride we've been on.

At the end of the day, we won what we won (which was everything and were Champions of Everywhare) and most importantly, he broke our 30 year league drought. His legacy as a transformational LFC manager is sealed and intact and whatever happens at the end of the season, will NEVER change that, IMO.

21 Apr 2024 10:06:38
I bet most of the fans ridiculing the 'embarrassing' parade follow clubs that have won nothing to parade. Don't worry about what other fans think about us.

21 Apr 2024 10:24:30
I think klopp has got it spot on in calling time to be honest. He's been the best manager in my time supporting Liverpool, every single season he's been manager has been exciting for one reason or another, and brought unrivalled success compared to every other manager in the league with the exception of Pep, and if he had been man city manager I have no doubt they'd be even further ahead of us.

He does look done in, and there's something very obvious that no one has really touched on. The only 2 premier league managers who have stayed at clubs longer than he has in the premier League era are Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger, and look at what happened to man utd and arsenal when they left. It took arsenal nearly a decade to start challenging again, and man utd are still miles off the pace. It'll be tough to replace him, but if he stayed any longer, it would be nigh on impossible, and to the detriment of the club.

Thank you Kloppo, forever a true Liverpool icon.

21 Apr 2024 11:23:33
I’d be very satisfied with 3rd.

21 Apr 2024 12:20:58
The trouble with finishing a comfortable third- as things stand- is that we got that close to the top we got carried away 😂.

21 Apr 2024 13:41:51
I don’t think there will be a parade for the league cup, but don’t right off what that win will do for the future talent we have who won’t that cup. It’s about winning finals and they did it, can only bode well and kick them on.

A new manager, new ideas and a new philosophy is exciting.

Losing Klopp will be hard but he’s done things no one thought we would achieve, he has been a massive success for LFC and he’s built us to be competitive whoever takes over.

21 Apr 2024 15:01:13
Spot on, Rigsby. If you need validation from rival fans (who paray day and night that your club fails at every strretch) about what you should think of your club, players or manager based on what they win or don't win or how they see their legacies then, you literally need to give your head a wobble or seek an intervention. Could not be arsed what a rivaal fan (esp. those whose clubs win absolutely nothing) think of my club, players or Klopp. They wished they had him and he won even a tiny fraction of what he has won us so whtever they think is irrelevant to me.

As for 3rd, we should finish our season 3rd and if we do that and get third then, it is what it is. If we fall off and limp over the line in 3rd then, I'll be disappointed.

As for a parade, I would like a parade to celebrate Klopp and have all the trophies he has won shown off to all the attendees so we can thank him for all he has done and won ans send him off gloriously. If rival fans have a problem with that then, that's on them. Never pay attebtion to opinions of those who do NOT want what's best for you. King Klopp taught me that a while ago.

21 Apr 2024 19:55:32
If you don't want to go to the parade, you can always stay at home. Think about it.

20 Apr 2024 21:41:06
What do we do with the ridiculously poor performances of Szlob? Offers nothing in a game and gives the ball away needlessly more than any player I can remember playing for us. I doubt he will become what people has hoped for like so many of our players including Nunez and Gakpo who are both a real let down since signing for us. 3 footballers who have proved nothing so far and need to show that there is footballer in each of these players deep down somewhere.

If I was Harvey Elliot and these 3 guys were starting ahead of me, I would be fuming. Hopefully, the next manager will appreciate Elliot more and can see how much better he is than most players in the squad.

20 Apr 2024 21:52:34
As the person who discovered Thierry Henry and Mohamed Salah why don’t you tell us?

20 Apr 2024 22:27:45
This post is like groundhog day.

20 Apr 2024 22:37:14
Yes thunderbird 😁.

20 Apr 2024 23:18:18
Would probably help if he was played in his best position which uses his best attributes as opposed to being turned into a Hendo 2.0.

21 Apr 2024 00:30:32
Really nice day for fishing I see.

21 Apr 2024 03:28:43
Blame the coaching staff if you’re unhappy with Szoboszlai’s performances. They are the ones tasking him with being an all-action midfielder, running around like a border collie on Red Bull. Szoboszlai has so much technical quality yet Klopp seems to have had a Henderson replacement in mind when signing him.
Szoboszlai needs to be reasonably close to goal making things happen, not running up and down the pitch 73 times a game just because we can’t control a match properly.

21 Apr 2024 08:47:31
😂😂 fair play thunderbird that one tickled me.

21 Apr 2024 09:14:13
Well sob was fantastic as an 8 at the beginning of the season. He has the legs and energy so it's a great asset to have that side of his game to be compared to Henderson. He'll I'm sure improve under say amorim and we'll have back our rolls Royce.

21 Apr 2024 09:31:08
Thunderbird 2, it's too early on a Sun morning to be doing this to my ribs.

21 Apr 2024 10:10:22
I've been critical of Szoboszlai but the OP sums up the dogma often seen on social media. I've also seen Szob described as the new Gerrard.

21 Apr 2024 13:11:58
Shlob has real quality, we've all seen that. I agree that he is being shoehorned into a poor tactical set up that does not play to his strengths. For as wonderful as his technique is, he is such a powerful player, loves doing the hard yards. Unfortunately the coaches have noticed this and have been relying on him to prop up their ridiculous and unsustainable style of play.

Honestly, I can see him being an excellent Salah replacement. I think he'd work well on the right side of a front three in Amorim's 343. Could even do a job at wing back if it came down to it. He's a wonderful prospect with ridiculous potential, we are lucky to have him. I just don't think the state of affairs at this moment are flattering him.

21 Apr 2024 14:09:35
100%, AW - he is a superb athlete but his real gift is his quality. He has the exact qualities that make De Bruyne such a devastating player - speed, aggression, awesome shot power with both feet, vision - though he obviously has a lot of work ahead to become that good.

21 Apr 2024 14:33:46
Football is a funny old game and everyone sees the game differently I suppose.

I’ve watched Szob live recently and whilst he hasn’t been ripping up trees and has given possession away sometimes unnecessarily he’s still doing lots of good things and gets into lots of dangerous positions.

He gets criticised a lot for that but then I used to watch Hendo live do lots of pointing and shouting and rarely pass the ball forward and get lauded by the same fans that are in Szobs back.

21 Apr 2024 15:03:48
AW and LoweLFC, fully agree. if you asked KDB to do what Szobo is being asked to do, he would struggle as well cos his qullity on the ball, athleticism and ball-striking ability (which was his strength at RBL) are really good.

21 Apr 2024 15:10:53
It is a fact that the first time I saw Henry I asked my dad who that was as he looked class whilst still at Juve I was 13. And I did see Salah play against Chelsea for Basel and wanted him at Liverpool then and there. Some players it is quite obvious they have that something special. Didn’t think back then they would go on to be two of the best the Prem has ever seen. Remember though I also thought Macca was distinctly average so we all make mistakes.

20 Apr 2024 21:34:39
I think the recent slump in form has been in part due to Klopp's tactics but also I wonder if the 'fairytale ending' has caused unnecessary pressure on the players. Couple this with the fact that some players are contemplating their future at LFC after Klopp's departure.

Also, the next manager has not been found/ wrapped up/ announced so wondering if also this is having an uncertain mindset psychological effect on some players wondering if they will be part of the next managers' plans. The uncertainty is creeping in and unsettling the squad which in turn is affecting their performances imho.

Of course much depends on how the team performs in the next '6 cup finals'.

We need FSG to quickly sort out the signing/ announcement of the next manager - ideally before the end of this month.

Thoughts?

21 Apr 2024 00:11:42
I think the team just ran out of steam and contrary to popular belief I think Gary neville is right and this team punched above their weight this season and that would be due to klopp.

21 Apr 2024 15:05:27
Gmil, I agree with you as well on this and other factors. As for Neville being right, not sure, man. The man talks so much, changes his opinion depending on where the wind is blowing so at some point, he's bound to get a few things right at some point, don't you think?

20 Apr 2024 21:11:40
Fans on this website have started to act like petulant children and it is at times insufferable. You're not satisfied until you've got exactly what you want.

The last fews week's have demonstrated how fickle fans have become. I understand that we all want to win the league (which still hasn't been confirmed) and that is the objective of football, however, it is unlikely that you'll win every year. Don't get me wrong, the results haven't been easy. The fact that many of you are not enjoying what has been a terrific season and a genuine 3 horse race is beyond me. Going toe to toe against the powerhouse of City and a fantastic Arsenal team is exhilarating.

Fans of clubs in the lower divisions and of non-league clubs genuinely think this sort of behaviour from fans is embarrassing. People suggesting rebuilds and throwing their toys out the pram because we didn't get Alonso. We are in a fantastic position. We have a fantastic team but some amazing young players coming through the ranks.

If you're getting this upset by football then you should genuinely find something better to do.

20 Apr 2024 21:41:07
If you don't get emotional about football and the team you love then i'd argue that its you that needs to find something better to do for yourself.

20 Apr 2024 22:01:48
All fans on this website?

20 Apr 2024 22:44:15
I didn't say you can't be emotional about football did I? Nor did I suggest everyone on this website is like this. Passion is a wonderful thing. It's how fans approach and use their passion is embarrassing.

Football fans just lack so much perspective. A lot of the posts on this website would make you believe we're about to be relegated. Liverpool will have a slump. It's inevitable. We do not have the finances and every decision or transfer made will not be a Salah or VVD.

My post is about being presently minded and enjoying the current football. Currently, we act like we're in a complete crisis after every game which is far from the truth. I just think it is telling that fans after the last 3 games have tried to find blame or a scapegoat and then conclude that these players are useless. Nunez being an example. Only 6 weeks ago fans were singing his praises but currently he is the worst player to exist.

Last year Klopp asked fans who are not behind the team to give up their tickets. You're of course allowed to moan and be frustrated. However, this constant vilification of players and flip flopping between opinions is the problem.

20 Apr 2024 23:12:28
Never understood fans moaning at other fans for expressing their opinion.

So much childish name calling, it’s like a playground sometimes.

If no-one said anything or we all said the same then this website would die.

Disagree respectfully and if you don’t like different opinions then log off.

21 Apr 2024 00:42:12
@Ron, the bickering is just the sort of conversation you used to get in the pubs on the night before and after the match.

The difference is those conversations were in real time and were probably about three or four conversations bouncing around a group of lads that lasted for about 10 seconds and usually were ended by someone asking what the round was or someone heading off for a pee. They were ten a penny conversations and the tone was argumentative / banter but the implied aggression you get these days on social media was very rare and was oftentimes headed off by someone telling whoever was arguing to ‘behave yourself’ etc.

The two big problems with this forum (and it’s not the fault of the forum, or the owner / administrators of the forum) is that any conversation can be started / twisted by mischief makers who (usually) aren’t fans of the club and the other problem is that conversations aren’t in real time and don’t convey the tone of contributions. This lack of context leads to misunderstanding, which in turn can lead people taking offence and that leads to ‘feuds’.

Most of the time the bickering is misplaced but once it happens it generally leaves a bad taste. I would add that I’m just as ‘guilty’ for want of a better word as anybody who uses this board.

21 Apr 2024 00:47:28
This fickle fan nonsense bugs me . I go the games . I hope that we win n gutted when we don't. but when the team puts in performances has it has done lately, especially when we can almost smell the trophies . Then we've got every right to air our grievances. This super fan rubbish is fickle.

21 Apr 2024 01:30:36
I'm usually over positive about Liverpool, I love the team and I love Klopp but I can't be positive about it and how we've been recently, if anybody can they I would question them on how? You have to understand, many people will get angry about it, yes it's football and anything can happen but this sudden downfall is a bit off for me.

Just to add, I don't care what you think of my posts, I'll give an opinion when I want to as every single poster on this site has the right to do. You can't go calling people wrong for it, we're doing bloody terrible, that isn't opinionated it's fact and nevermind the season as a whole, we've failed at the last hurdle and bottled it, you know it like the rest of us do. After such a good season we're blowing it, been knocked out of competitions, loosing the best manager we've had for years, tactics are terrible, the list goes on. What do you expect? us all to be onboard with what is currently going on? no wonder people are annoyed, we were so close to winning everything and now we are so far away.

I'm looking forward to change, Klopp will always be a legend in my eyes, he's done so much for us and he is one of us but change is needed now. We will not win the league, we can't score and we can't defend, we can't win a bloody arguement at the minute. How are we meant to say what you want us to say?

21 Apr 2024 08:21:56
Celebrate the team when we win, criticise them when we under-perform. Its how football fans have been since the game was invented. It doesn't mean they are not supporting the club. It probably sounds worse because its in a written format here rather than verbal but i’ve been in pubs for decades with supporters moaning that Neil Ruddock needs a kick up the backside or David Ngog is awful or Gerrard needs to hurry up and retire. Honestly, anyone who didn't say a bad word about Keita or Ballotelli while they were playing for us was not a real supporter of the club in my opinion. Players come and go and are idolised and criticised but the club is what should be supported.

21 Apr 2024 08:50:14
I’ll be honest when I’m in Anfield I hate it when I’m next to these emotional fans. All they do is bloody sing and shout.

Give me one of those non emotional tourist fans any day of the week.

And if they happen to have their phone out the whole game filming and taking pics rather than watching the game then even better. That’s the icing in the cake for me.

21 Apr 2024 10:26:01
We all get passionate and emotional, I'm sure. What I don't get is that after a bad run or even one bad result or performance some fans want to replace half of the squad or the coaching staff. It's not practical and it's not going to happen.
And there are fans that completely overreact. I'm reading that we won't make top four and Spurs will.
I know it's a self defence mechanism whereby if we ridicule our own team, it doesn't hurt as much when fans of other teams do it.
It doesn't bother me and there's only City and Arsenal fan that can banter us and I would congratulate them on what they achieve this season anyway.
We're all fans of football.

21 Apr 2024 10:43:17
OP what I disagree about with your post is that you don't offer any perspective as to why people might be reacting as they do, more than just adding insult to them. I think what happens is that emotions get the better of us - some supporters more than others. And since we're on a forum where expressions and emotions are very much interpreted by our own minds and our own agenda, as well as not always coming off in the best way possible, it might come off as entitlement or lacking perspective. In truth I think the fairytale of Klopp and this Liverpool team, the hope of ending with four, the end of all of this - is what makes it so much more disappointing. It's the hope that kills ya.

I don't agree with the people saying we should sell half the team, or that we need to throw every player and coach under the bus. And I do believe that some people forget the perspective, and I honestly believe I see plenty of entitlement too, yes also on here - but just as well, it's the emotions running high and you can't take that out of the supporters. Why would you want to? You'd get Anfield sounding like the Etihad, this forum would be completely static and empty, banter wouldn't exist etc etc.

Hell, I might not often moan on here, but I've had my fair share of insults thrown at this team through this last month (and in general all the years of supporting this team) - it's the way football has always been, and this time around, it just all feels that much more disappointing. It's okay to look at what's in front of you and pointing out that it needs changing. Even Klopp himself has admitted it - and unfortunately, his battery died out about a month or two too early. But I think we all see it. Then we might all disagree on what exactly needs changing and why - but I believe most of us are now looking forward to the change. We just all show it differently.

21 Apr 2024 10:59:53
@Darwin, it’s also possible to say that we were lucky to win or, equally, that we have been unlucky to lose. The idea that we praise the team when we win and criticise when we lose isn’t necessarily valid. Constructive criticism should always be welcome at any time - my issue is that sometimes criticism isn’t constructive and repeating the same thing over and over again - praise or criticism - doesn’t serve any purpose.

21 Apr 2024 11:01:29
Rigsby that’s just internet talk mate.

Football has been around far longer than the internet and gone are the days where you could go to a match or watch it in a pub (if you were lucky enough that it was televised) and then air your frustrations or joy before, during and after and then it was all forgotten about until the next match day.

Now games are still spoken about hourly and daily for weeks after which is great for us as we all chose to come to this site to discuss.

21 Apr 2024 11:34:06
WDW3 - how can criticism on a forum be “constructive”?

Do you think the players or the coaches read our criticism and think - he’s made a good point there?

Come on mate. This forum exists for fans to banter, to share anecdotes, to share rumours, to share opinion, to ask questions and mostly to vent their frustrations when we underperform - hyperbole encouraged.

None of the comments are “constructive”, a lot of the time it’s to get stuff off your chest and that’s why some of the criticism is repetitive.

The name calling is just ridiculous, but if it makes people feel self righteous and good about themselves to put others down then that’s their life 🤷‍♂️.

21 Apr 2024 12:04:59
I agree, JK, criticism is one thing and often justified but we also need to be realistic. We can't just get rid of half of the squad or the manager if we have a bad result.
It's also often knee jerk because of one mistake or one game. I had a discussion with a mate-not on the internet- about Quansah after the United game after he said he'd never play for Liverpool again.
Discussion is great, I enjoy it and I'm not saying I'm right and others are wrong if they want to replace half of the squad or coaching staff when they are not performing but I will point out that recklessness of that.

21 Apr 2024 12:38:49
Rigsby but that’s the thing mate. Regardless of what posters say on the internet it has zero bearing in the decisions.

I very much doubt John Henry is sat there thinking Christ Harry wants half the team sold we best get Edwards on the case ASAP 😂.

Good to see you back posting also as I did notice you went for a while. Sometimes a break is good. I’m as guilty as anyone in sometimes posting without thinking first but never with any malice.

I’ve had a few breaks myself.

21 Apr 2024 13:12:48
Cheers, JK, and it's good to be back. I don't think it's coincidence that it comes when we are playing well.
I do come on here to kick the cat, so to speak, when we have been rubbish. We all want the same things- or similar things- but posters have different expectation levels and ways of handling those and discussing them is why we log on.
Personally, I think top four and a trophy is a good season for us especially with an almost entirely new midfield and front three that has been severely downgraded.

21 Apr 2024 19:10:14
Constructive criticism should come from the management and the players themselves, not people in the pub or on forums like this, half the players can't even read English nevermind go on platforms similar to this.

21 Apr 2024 22:04:57
@Stromgodset, that made me laugh. Why does being constructive have to come from certain people?

20 Apr 2024 18:39:53
Away from our current issues. but how has it become so obvious that City are so favored by the officials?

Please can someone explain how Grealish gets away with the handball call in the fa cup semi final?

That's a penalty all day, every day, at every level, men or women, kids or adults.

There is absolutely no way that City getbthese favorable calls.

20 Apr 2024 20:56:04
It's the same ref helping them. That tells you all you need to know.

20 Apr 2024 21:38:10
It’s corruption by the league and fa, causing big story’s…. Same reason they penalise Everton and forest but leaving city well alone with their 115 so called charges, becoming a farce.

20 Apr 2024 21:48:27
You get what you pay for Leelad, and the City owners paid Michael Oliver a lot of money for that “refereeing job” in the UAE.

21 Apr 2024 14:41:31
Is it because they have no fans so they are easier to handle during semi-finals and finals for the police? Probably saves money on crowd control too. Chelsea where the better side on the day unfortunately, I spoke it out loud when City got the winner that evil somehow always seems to come out on top in most cases. Especially in the modern world I doubt we would win a world war in this day and age as the enemy would just pay our leaders to throw in the towel. Money talks and is the root of all evil.

20 Apr 2024 17:54:16
City look tired you ask me and may struggle to keep any kind of pace up in their remaining games. Arsenal are always good for a shock result, so potentially we could still win the league. HOWEVER, not playing this dull boring Lijndersball we are stuck on. JK needs to say, let's go back to heavy metal football. Pick the players who are fittest in their position and run run run till the wheels fall off. As if at the end of the season City and Arsenal have dropped points in a couple of their games and we have had 6 games with 3 goals in them as we are playing this awful slow football we will not be having a happy end of season party. Wake up JK, let's have the good old heavy metal back for the last 6 games!

20 Apr 2024 19:21:16
Last 3 games ourselves and the tiger 2 aren’t exactly pulling up trees.

Liverpool - LLW
Arsenal - DLL
City - DWL

Obviously we’ll leave off the level of opposition. But all 3 teams aren’t exactly pulling up trees at the current climate.

20 Apr 2024 20:22:19
This was all said last week then Arsenal lost but so did we. Forgetting the fact we are probably not as good as the other 2 teams we are against.

20 Apr 2024 21:26:41
Good away win for Arsenal, 3 points and 10 goals behind them now.

21 Apr 2024 10:27:54
City didn't lose to Real Madrid, JK23.

21 Apr 2024 11:05:08
Rigsby get what you’re saying. They didn’t lose in 90 mins or extra time but they still lost the game on pens.

It still goes down in the record books as a loss and City are out.