Liverpool banter 4

14 Apr 2024 09:00:37
Not a rumour but question for the Ed's and others - if Salah or diaz were to go would/ should/ will we go for Toney. Whatever system the new manager needs having a prem experienced and proved goal scorer will make the transition much more successful. Isn't Toney an LFC fan, for 50 million he would leave change for other signings and be great for us for 3 years.

14 Apr 2024 09:40:01
Wouldn’t touch him. Too lazy. Plus other issues. Got ManU signing written all over it.

14 Apr 2024 09:58:44
I wouldn’t put money on us going for Toney but he might.

14 Apr 2024 10:46:58
Unnecessary baggage, wouldn’t go near him especially not for 50mil Jesus.

14 Apr 2024 11:05:51
He’s a useful player. But isn’t he 28? Spunking the majority of your budget on a player going into a new season where he turns 29 is just stupidity.

14 Apr 2024 12:03:52
I'd go for Ollie Watkins before I'd go for Ivan Toney. Same age, but Watkins has been regularly progressing and is having his best year ever in goals and assists. Toney just has too much "baggage" as has been said.

14 Apr 2024 12:10:01
Salah will never be replaced. We need to find other solutions in our attack and in the market.

Personally, Danns seems to be ready for 1st team football.

I predict next season he will be a regular if the new coach gives him game time.

14 Apr 2024 21:22:42
Toney? I agree with 1jj. A Utd signing written all over it. Arsenal, Chelsea and Utd are welcome to him.

13 Apr 2024 14:19:13
Going into the Atalanta game I was very surprised to hear klopp describe them as sitting back and holding a low block. It genuinely shocked me because gasperini never plays that way.

I watch quite a lot of Italian footy and that's not how Atalanta have played at any point in the season.

The reason we got beat is we did not prepare properly. based on what klopp said I genuinely think we just made assumptions about the game based on the fact Atalanta is a 'smaller' club and prepared for that game.

I actually found it very dismissive what klopp said pre game. I went into the game expecting a team to press high and break with pace, which is how Atalanta played.

Perhaps it's not the players who have checked out, maybe it's klopp.

13 Apr 2024 16:04:07
I was really gutted about his comments in the interview with TNT. He was asked if he'd miss European nights at Anfield and in short, he basically said he wouldn't. I think he's ready to call it a day already. Feels like he's staying until the summer as a courtesy with comments like that.

I really hope he can find another couple of months of energy and charisma for us.

13 Apr 2024 16:21:28
Honestly think Klopp is as entitled as they come, says some ridiculous things at times.

13 Apr 2024 21:47:05
Klopp is human like the rest of us. He’s going to have his good days and his bad days as well as the days he’s grouchy.

Let’s be be honest how many of us have reacted and said something outs of turn or they regret.

Klopps a legend but he’s human.

We all need to stop taking it all too seriously. Even though it was said by a legend himself but football 100% isn’t more important than life or death and anyone who argues it is I’ll call bull s##t.

13 Apr 2024 22:08:37
Mr Bean with the most ironic post of the year so far.

13 Apr 2024 23:04:58
Spot on Jk mate.

13 Apr 2024 23:26:19
Mr Bean. What a goon.

13 Apr 2024 18:26:44
The energy has gone from Klopp and the other coaches. It was a mistake to announce him leaving as the wheels have come off after an initial boost. The players look like there walking to the end of the season were we still had everything to play for. Really disappointing.

Klopp is a legend but he’s probably stayed a season to long.

13 Apr 2024 18:46:30
I wasn’t at the game but I watched it.

Klopp was maniacal on the touchline.

Any idea that he has lost his energy or enthusiasm is bunk.

He’s probably sick to death of interviews which is fair enough.

14 Apr 2024 01:06:15
Klopp out!

Oh wait.

14 Apr 2024 08:28:01
Why is this breaking news to anyone? Klopp says a lot of dust after games esp. after a lcrushing loss that affects him emotionally hence, not in control of things coming out of his mouth in those moments right after a game. This has always been the case with him. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

14 Apr 2024 08:59:31
Yeah ok lads, you lot can crawl up mr Klopps arse, the so called legend that’s left you all hanging after signing a contract and not honouring it! Bloke thinks he calls the shots he’s not that great in my opinion, got lucky with salah mane and firmino. Since then he’s won sod all. Couple joke cups on penalties.

14 Apr 2024 09:07:24
I find it more disappointing that fans are now turning their back on the man after all he has done for this club.
Is it too much to ask to give your unconditional support for the last few weeks he has with us instead of finding snippets to criticise him for?
Maybe next season we will have something to really complain about 🤷‍♂️. It seems to me Klopp isn’t the only one who has downed tools.

14 Apr 2024 09:21:18
@Irish the overwhelming majority of fans aren’t turning their back on him.

14 Apr 2024 09:24:24
The problem is klopp has spoiled us all, the norm now is getting 90 odd points in league going deep in 4 competitions and doing it on a transfer net spend of a lot less than your rivals. This is over achieving not under achieving.
And b4 everybody has a go at me about transfer spending unfortunately the teams that spend the most win the most, that's a fact.
After every defeat it is now what we call in Ireland, a wake (2-3days mourning b4 a funeral) and the reason it is is because we ain't used to it and lot of supporters just can't handle a defeat r a bad run.

14 Apr 2024 09:29:38
Never really got the obsession with honouring contracts when it comes to football - obvs there is how you handle it, but is a v cut throat business for players and managers.

From a players perspective you can play for years and come from youth team - then get sold / dropped in an instant. Managers can get sacked after bringing a team up leagues or winning trophies after a bad run.

Main bit is how you carry yourself and respect shown when given. I never recall Klopp ever being disrespectful towards club, supporters and can’t doubt effort given - added if think is overrated with legend status, then explain anger that is leaving and being replaced?

Same with anyone’s job - it is an agreement between parties, not ownership from one party. Stress comes with the rewards so if Klopp feels his time is up for whatever reason then based on his service and effort given can’t fault the man.

14 Apr 2024 09:45:17
Mr bean I’m good with Klopp leaving me hanging mate.

In my eyes Klopp is a legend but I’ve supported this club long before he came and I will long after he goes so I’m not too sure how much hanging he has left me to do.

14 Apr 2024 09:52:56
I agree WDW 👍.

14 Apr 2024 10:41:02
Klopp has done a lot for the club and for that I'm very thankfully. He's earned his time in the sun and his status at the club but if we are being honest his reign is one of of missed opportunities more than it is of opportunities grabbed.

League cup, 2 Europa league, 1 premier league, 1 champions league

Those are what we should have won that we didn't in my opinion. We like to think of his reign as legendary but in truth it's only legendary by our standards (which were very low) .

Ranieri, dalglish, ancelotti, conte all won the same number of premier league titles (we can prob add arteta to that list soon) I doubt many of us refer to conte or ranieri as legends right?

Some - Jose, pep, fergie, Wenger all won more than klopp.

If we're talking European trophies then klopp is still lagging behind. Losing more finals than he won. He isn't even ahead of benitez on that front. You might even say our one win the champs league we because we met an inferior team in the final. Every time we meet a good team we lose the final (Sevilla, Madrid x 2, city in LC)

He has given a lot to Liverpool and I appreciate him giving us back our prestige but I do also wish we hadn't stumbled and fell over almost every time we got to the finish line.

You can say Madrid blah blah city blah blah but the brutal truth is the best beat the best and we can't quite get past the finish line 70% of the time.

14 Apr 2024 10:29:24
He’s absolutely a legend, how many LFC managers have won the league and the Champions league (European Cup)?
He deserves his place as a legend - it’s self-evident.

It would be much easier for him to stay at the club, wait to get sacked and then get compensation for his contract.
He gave the club sufficient notice.
He’s not left anyone hanging, he’s got no more to give and is going before it impacts the club.

Poor take by Bean.

14 Apr 2024 11:06:24
Mr Bean has been "Klopp out" since last season. So no surprises to me that he said what he said. On the contrary, I'm quite impressed by his consistency.

14 Apr 2024 11:26:39
You sound like such a staunch Liverpool supporter Mr Bean, why would anyone question your logic?

14 Apr 2024 12:01:52
Say what you want, low standards and all, but for me he's a legend.

14 Apr 2024 12:03:16
Nevada
Before Klopp, Liverpool hadn’t won a PL in 30 years. Let that sink in. Three generations of mainly not even close to winning. Of course I would have wanted more and maybe under different circumstances ( Man City and all they stand for) we definitely would have but the biggest thing for me was changing the culture of our “ loser” tag into a club that should be competing.
Also, should Klopp have realised the Sh#t show Karius would display in a CL final 🤷‍♂️.

14 Apr 2024 12:35:16
*decades.

14 Apr 2024 15:05:46
Y'all didn't read. I said he's a legend to us in the same way moyes might be a legend to west ham.

What is his competition? A slew of decent cup managers and that's it. By the standards of fergie, wenger, pep and even Jose klopp isn't in that conversation really.

He's not a legend. He's just a legend to us. In two seasons if he just wins one game against city he wins two more titles, that's why I said we always stumble at the finish.

The best characterisation of klopps time if we are being very honest is that it was a very good time in charge but it always fell short of being great.

Would we call fergie a legend if he won united one title, even if it was after 30 years of nothing. no we wouldn't. Is James beattie a legend for winning one golden boot? No of course not.

Klopp is our legend, but not a premier league legend by pretty much any standard. Winning a second title would put him above the one season wonders but it's very unlikely we are getting a title.

14 Apr 2024 17:11:20
He’s an Anfield legend, he doesn’t work for the premier league.

14 Apr 2024 20:11:20
If being an anfield legend is your aim then you'll be a very happy football fan. Seems like a low bar to me.

13 Apr 2024 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Anonymous Woolback has posted a new article entitled, Is Jurgen Klopp Burnt Out At Liverpool FC?

13 Apr 2024 12:52:09
Feels like the season ended at Old Trafford tbh mate.
I gave away my ticket and glad I did.
It’s all fizzled away unfortunately, not a coincidence that all the players suddenly returned at once after the pressure is off.

But who knows, maybe the champions league hangovers kick in and City Arsenal blink.

But Personally i don’t see us capable of winning 7 games playing like this.

13 Apr 2024 13:24:45
That's the spirit LiverpoolFC8, if you have a ticket for the Wolves game at the end of the season can I call dibs on it now please! Will be so appreciative that you give me the opportunity to watch Klopp and the squad parade the EPL trophy around A field as 2023/ 24 Champs!

13 Apr 2024 14:33:36
First things first, we need to find a lineup and performance with better balance between defence and attack.

We had that earlier in the season so we know it's there.

Hopefully Klopp can find that against Crystal Palace. And that will be the basis for the rest of the season.

I get why people are a bit gloomy with recent performances and results but giving up when we are only off top spot on goal difference seems a little over the top. Let's hope for that performance tomorrow and then go from there.

13 Apr 2024 14:57:32
My season didn't end at Old trafford, my team are about to win the league.

13 Apr 2024 15:03:31
@ liverpoolfc8:Nope. How does it feel like season ended we still in with slim chance of Europa still joint top in league as for giving your ticket away? You don’t even deserve one. I got blue mates who sit through that sh*te week in week out that would call you a glory hunter, I’d have to agree with them too.

@ anonymous woolback:
Nope I don’t think klopp is burnt out. Him this year v him last year is night and day. He looks like a weight has been lifted. Like the team night and day, full rebuild people was saying . This team is just starting out, halfway through a transition hindered by injuries to our most experienced players ( Matip, Ali, Trent, Robbo even Thiago and mo) yet they still within grasp of more glory so no not burnt out/ washed up probably a bit frustrated knowing like us if he had players back and the forwards would find the back of the net with the umpteen chances we create we would be out of sight In The league probably. As for Atalanta, playing players back into form / fitness in a game we all expected to win is expected really.

13 Apr 2024 15:15:58
“If your not in the right shape, give your ticket to somebody else” - Jurgan Klopp

Following the bosses orders. If you attended the game however. Your support was dreadful, dead almost. You let the club down as much as the players.

13 Apr 2024 15:34:16
LFC8 I’ll disagree there mate. I was at the game and sung with my boy until the final whistle.

Strange how you are critical of fans in the ground giving up when you didn’t even make it that far yourself.

13 Apr 2024 16:47:12
A couple of bad results and the whining starts.

14 Apr 2024 06:18:45
HessleRed - It’s not just “a couple of bad results”, is it?
In the last month we’ve been knocked out of two competitions (one still undecided but the overwhelming likelihood is that we are out) - both of which we were arguably favourites to win - and both in rather humiliating fashion.
From so much promise, we now face the task of winning the league against a City team who thrive at this time of year (they play less risky football and opponents are too exhausted from the long season to compete with City’s technical superiority), while we aren’t playing that well.
No surprise to see our some members of the squad make a full recovery once the pressure is off as well.

14 Apr 2024 09:42:38
LoweLFC: favourites in a cup competition that still has city in the same city you just said “thrive at this time of year”?

14 Apr 2024 10:23:43
I CLEARLY said “arguably favourites”, as in some people would regard us as that.
Unlike most teams, we have the quality to challenge and beat City at any stage of the season. A safe, tired team, however, will likely lack the energy and motivation to really try and attack City this late on.

14 Apr 2024 11:08:13
Lowe, are you implying that our players faked their injuries when the pressure is on and are now returning when we are almost out of all competitions and hence, can play with no pressure? Cos I don't get what you're trying to say with that last line there.

12 Apr 2024 17:23:04
Ed1 if Amron does come in what improvements do you think he could bring? Slower attacks meaning more chance of converting? No more inverted full backs? Playing with width?

I love Klopp and always will but it’s time to look to what happens next.

{Ed001's Note - he definitely plays with more width from the wing-backs. But is that the way he wants to play or the way he plays because of the squad he has? If he stays playing the way he does at Sporting, it will be a similar high octane press but rather than inverting a full-back to dominate the midfield, a centre-back steps forward into midfield to press high.}

12 Apr 2024 17:49:12
Hasn’t he denied any contact with Liverpool this week.

12 Apr 2024 20:06:09
JK, hopefully it's a Bill Clinton/ Lewinsky style denial.

12 Apr 2024 22:53:55
Wouldn't you expect him to deny it jk when they're on the verge of a double?

12 Apr 2024 23:11:57
Gmil I hope so as the options look quite slim pickings at the mo.

But wouldn’t it also mean Alonso is still on the table as he’s denied it and he is in similar circumstances.

Only difference is the media who are constantly criticised of knowing nothing and click baiting are reporting Alonso is off so are they believable for this.

13 Apr 2024 00:39:05
classy move from amorim to try and quieten the noise.
I mean he still have quite an important job to do right now.

13 Apr 2024 03:58:35
Stuie. R u saying there has been RELATIONS between lgc and amorion.? 😜.

13 Apr 2024 09:07:36
He just said he hasn't met with anyone from Liverpool which is true apparently Liverpool have just spoken to his agent where as alonso has said he is staying where he is.

13 Apr 2024 09:51:06
Imagine if he doesn't come to us? then what? god help us if that's the case. Bad timing because as things stand there's not a lot of available good managers. I believe he will come but at the same time I believed Alonso would.

13 Apr 2024 10:10:10
Ed01, you could have a point regarding whether whether Amorim plays a back 3 more due to the players he has rather than due to his own preference. I say this cos Sebastian Coates is as we knew from his time at LFC or in the PL (with Sunderland) is as slow as a snail hence, prolly would get exposed in the 4 so he like many CB's who lack pace, are put in a back 3 to play the sweeper role so as not to leave him exposed out wide or in the middle in space.

13 Apr 2024 10:23:23
Same here Salah mate. Just crossing my fingers, toes and anything else that can be crossed that we secure Amorim. Because both him and Alonso are the standout candidates. But If Amorim who I’m completely sold on doesn’t come, then we are in a difficult position on the managerial front. Having said that, I believe he is coming and if reports are to be believed, he was personally Edward’s first choice. If that’s the case, Edwards will do everything in his power to get it done.

13 Apr 2024 12:53:54
I trust Edwards. We’re in good hands with him.

13 Apr 2024 13:31:29
Hopefully Gmil.

Apart from Amorim there’s no other real stand out options.

If we end up with Ange or Nagelsman then YouTube highlights streaming is going to take a massive hit.

13 Apr 2024 13:39:11
Agreed Alonso, I mean a small part of me still thinks it might be Alonso incoming but I know it's wishful thinking. a lot of IDs and buts but yeah we need Amorin in, funny thing is mate, I don't even know much about him but gone on what others have said on here so I'll trust that lol. Last thing we need is a de Zerbi kind of manager. As I said earlier, we're all out of options.

14 Apr 2024 08:51:15
I remember Rafa was an unexpected but welcome boy from the blue.

I wouldn’t mind something like that.

12 Apr 2024 15:35:31
It was a very disappointing display last night, tactically outsmarted, Anfield sounding like a graveyard, and it seemed players were just not up for it. Hat's off to Atalanta though for taking full advantage of that - can only beat what's in front of you, and they certainly whooped our behinds. Credit to Gakpo who's had a bad patch, but seemed to be one of the only getting out of first gear.

But there's still another leg to go, and we have overturned far worse results. Liverpool have a knack of finding that extra bit of magic on European nights, in recent time Dortmund and of course Barcelona springs to mind. Let's go full throttle. A quick goal and who knows what might happen. It ain't over just yet!

If there is a silver lining to be found, this might have been the kick up the backside we need. A true earful like this has been coming for a while. Let's hope Jurgen and the players wake up for this last stretch of the season, and let's show them all that we're still in the run, we need a reaction from this!

On a side note, can we please hide away Gomez' shooting boots. What started as an encouraging thought and seemingly supporter's and Gomez' biggest wet dream, has now become a bit of a dead meme.

12 Apr 2024 15:56:15
3-0 down but few willing to bet against us getting through.
We are Liverpool and that means a hell of a lot.

12 Apr 2024 16:35:34
I’m going for a 4-1 win for Liver In the return leg and seal the deal in extra time.

12 Apr 2024 16:48:50
Verdo - I would certainly bet against us going through. No chance (screenshot this and beat me over the head with it if we win next week :) .

This is not Barcelona at Anfield and that miraculous turnaround. The second leg is away, we're bang out of form, can't keep a clean sheet and need about 20 efforts on goal for every goal scored.

If we can hopefully muster something for the remainder of the season, it's going to be all in on the league now. Europa League has gone.

12 Apr 2024 19:04:48
Does anyone else think that by not having the banners last night, subdued the crowd which in turn had an effect on the team.

12 Apr 2024 17:58:51
We’ve gone from mentality monsters to tsimikas over hit cross has affected everyone’s mentality and performance in one night.

On the Anfield crowds criticism why didn’t those who are criticising create more atmosphere themselves.

12 Apr 2024 18:33:01
Bit disappointed JK didn’t own the tactical blunders. He was completely outthought but sought to infer the issues laid everywhere else. Not a disaster and we’re not out of it, but sometimes be nice to hear when he owns some of the problems created.

12 Apr 2024 19:45:29
Ashy no mate. Crowd were in good voice before the game and even up to about 10 mins in. I can take the lads losing but they really looked like they were in cruise control and that showed to the crowd.

We started the Jota song and numerous others but it was hard to stay enthused when the players looked far from it.


Only criticism of the crowd for me were the ones who left early but I suppose that’s their rights.

12 Apr 2024 20:12:44
JK, tsimikas did more than that, for the second goal, I thought he was in the crowd protesting the 2% he left that much space.

12 Apr 2024 20:39:36
Stuie he was awful mate. But Kelleher didn’t let it go under his body because of Tsimikas. And we were even worse 2nd half when he was off the pitch.

If the players were that awful because there was no flags then mentality monsters they are not.

12 Apr 2024 23:43:30
I thought the Utd games were the kick up the backside for us, season might be over before these kicks up the backside take effect.

13 Apr 2024 00:40:02
RR - sounds like the odds are against us. I like our chances.

13 Apr 2024 11:35:37
Mcgoveb, we were still the better team for large portions of both the FA cup game and the one at old trafford and were sat with more of a feeling that we should've won both.

This one was just pure annihilation from top till bottom. I'm just hopeful we'll see a reaction to it.

12 Apr 2024 13:52:41
Thanks for the reply ed001.ye could you imagine the boost that line up would have giving the atalanta players beforehand. im hoping this result is the kick up the arse they need for the run in. has to be a reaction this weekend or else wel only have the league Cup for klopps final season
On another note ed001 what do you make of Virg's captaincy. i heard him on a podcast recently describe himself as very vocal and maybe he is and I just haven't noticed.

{Ed001's Note - exactly, Atalanta must have been delighted to see the team sheet.

I think Virgil has shown a massive improvement due to getting the armband. He has grown as a player and has been very vocal, he has been helping the youngsters a lot by all accounts.}

12 Apr 2024 23:06:04
Really poor team selection and tactics last night, Gomez being iinverted wasn't there available for a simple pass on the right side which gave us lots of problems and made it harder to bring the ball out been been plus the third goal could have been avoided if a proper right back had been there.

13 Apr 2024 20:41:23
Anyone else feel Atalanta are a poor team? I didn’t rate any of their players as top class! I don’t buy into the pundits “Atalanta did an absolute job on Liverpool” tripe. I saw a bang average team play a good team that were awful. A team that made mistake after mistake and played terrible. I’m absolutely confident If we play well in the second leg we’ll go through. Atalanta won’t be able to come with us if we turn up. Just hoping this is the final kick in the ass we need to wake up, front up and take some individual responsibility.

12 Apr 2024 13:37:12


Anonymous Woolback has written an article entitled, Is Jurgen Klopp Burnt Out At Liverpool FC?

12 Apr 2024 15:40:33
Enjoyable read, that. Thanks.
I fully concur about the “more casual” aspect of our play as time has gone on. That’s exactly what it feels like.

12 Apr 2024 18:03:46
Nice one, AW. Is this a moment of any sorts? Well, only time will tell as our reaction in games coming up starting with Palace will determine this, imo. If we see anything remotely resembling the absolute ship show we all saw from the off in last night’s game then, you are on the right track. If not then, on to the next game to confirm or disprove.

12 Apr 2024 23:34:25
I hope that the bad vibes subside and we win our last seven league games, Oli, only time will tell. I meant it was a significant moment irrespective of what comes after. I say that because it was, in so many ways, very far removed from the teams of the late 2010's. So many things happened last night that would never have happened back then. Even the scoreline itself is a glaring example. Okay sure, early Klopp teams were sometimes well beat, but no way would they have allowed a first leg tie to get to 3-0, at home, in that manner. They'd have just stemmed the tide and kept the tie alive. As well as Atalanta played, goals two and three are a disgrace and basically a gimme.

What comes next is immaterial, for me. It is a symptom of of something larger even just in isolation, even if we win the league. Entirely unnecessary casualness.

13 Apr 2024 07:37:09
Excellent thread but it’s so true.

13 Apr 2024 11:35:46
Well written, deep stuff AW.

I hope it is not as deep as that but rather than we've been putting tactics above intensity over the last few weeks. We've been trying to either match and/ or out-think the opposition of late and it has taken the edge of the intensity and sharpness of mind.

We need to get back to being compact in midfield and to attack and defend in numbers without making it so tactical. We're at the point of the season where the size and physicality of our squad should tell. This is not the time to outwit midtable managers at their own game.