Liverpool banter 4

23 Apr 2024 15:50:43
If Slot were to come in are there any Feyenoord players we’d like to see come with him? Geertrudia would tick a lot of boxes one of the Ed’s mentioned him before. Wieffer, Hancko and Timber all well thought of.

23 Apr 2024 16:04:16
That is exactly why we are hiring him. Lack of funds for top players! Slot is a proper YES man.

23 Apr 2024 16:34:55
Good lord, grow up.

23 Apr 2024 16:42:38
Or we could be hiring him because he’s proven capable of winning league titles with clubs that don’t have the same resources as his competitors. Feyenoord aren’t PSV or Ajax and if not for C.V. he probably wins the title with Az Alkmaar. Won a domestic cup and has been to a European final and plays a somewhat similar style of football to Klopp. He ticks a lot of boxes.

23 Apr 2024 16:53:19
What evidence you got of that then Keeper of Bees?

23 Apr 2024 16:57:03
I don't know slot but if we loose with him, it will be very funny.

Have a feeling, we would be laughing stock.


First City with Guardiola, next United with Ten Haag and its our turn now with Slot.

Guess?

23 Apr 2024 17:18:00
So the Beek Keeper knows who we are interviewing, when, our transfer budget and how agreeable Slot would be in sticking to that budget.

{Ed025's Note - dont get stung by other peoples views Rigsby..

23 Apr 2024 17:32:50
Slot was unlucky not to win the title with AZ. He’s proven himself over a sustained period and he’s learnt from the mistake he made at AZ. From how he comes across he seems like he’d fit in well with us, he’s got experience of building and improving a squad, as well as putting his ideas into practice. Importantly he has that personality and charisma that’s needed to be a success. Was reading an article by a Dutch journalist who said Slot would jump at any chance to be Liverpool manager but wouldn’t get out of bed for a team outside the top four (well, specifically he said Brentford) . Slot seems like a good choice given all of the circumstances.

23 Apr 2024 17:34:00
Hive got to stop listening to The Beek Keeper, Ed025. I reckon he/ she gets a buzz out of the attention.

{Ed025's Note - love it Rigsby, hive got to agree with you mate.. :)

23 Apr 2024 17:59:10
VV, don't know too much about "The Sloter" however, I'll take the devil I don' know than the "angels" (Tuchel, DeZerbi, Nagelsmann, Jose etc. ) that I do know.

23 Apr 2024 18:16:48
Slot has proven he can break the monopoly of Ajax and PSV
Not just with Feyenoord but nearly with AZ
He’s young and could be here a while -creating a real legacy.

23 Apr 2024 18:38:55
What evidence has anyone got? Let’s be honest.

23 Apr 2024 18:44:00
So Emery who has won like 5 EL alone would struggle under slightest bit of pressure but some random guy from Dutch league would thrive in England who has never managed one meaningful match in Champions league @ VV 😂. This page is comedy gold!
I honestly thought you would oppose Slot given how you took down every other guy bar Alonso and Amorim
Can’t you guys see it? It’s a clear indication how FSG would like the club to run post Klopp!

23 Apr 2024 19:27:07
No evidence @Irish
People criticize the manager they know and wax lyrical those they have no clue about. If Ed02 hadn’t mentioned his name in one of his reply, this page would have ripped him to shreds by now 😂😂😂😂
Emery is proven at the highest level. Beat Klopp with a simple 4-4-2 and Ever Benega. Took over a Villa team that was fighting relegation literally. Yea but somehow he is not good!

23 Apr 2024 19:27:41
The beekeeper, Emery failed at Arsenal and PSG, so he buckled under the weight of expectations. He’s only done well when there’s less expected of him. Plus he’s just signed a contract renewal. Slot isn’t just some random who has never managed a meaningful champions league game. He managed at least 6 this season, given that group games are meaningful. And I’d stand by what I said about the other candidates, not one of Kovac, De Zerbi, Frank, Fonseca, Nagelsmann, Mourinho, Zidane Tuchel or Potter are remotely worth consideration for multiple reasons.

Alonso, Amorim and Slot were the best candidates no one comes remotely close. One of those has definitely said no (as he’s off to Madrid), one has allegedly said no (not happy with t&c’s or salary) and one has allegedly said yes (Slot) . Given the other options, he’s the best available as he meets the criteria of a manager who is still young, has won a title (would have been two but for C.V. as AZ had Ajax on the ropes) and had demonstrated he can build a team capable of challenging.

23 Apr 2024 19:42:20
I didn’t even know who Slot was until yesterday and the same could be said about Amorim a few weeks ago. There’s managers I’m not keen on coming in but what will be will be.

Whoever does come in will get my full support as it’s not very productive to want the new man to fail from the start all because he wasn’t my first choice.

23 Apr 2024 19:56:55
Emery would struggle under the pressure because he has already struggled under the pressure and been sacked by PSG and Arsenal.
I think most reasonable people will back whoever the club decides to hire as manager, it's only the lunatic fringe that won't and these people really aren't worth our time and energy.

23 Apr 2024 20:22:06
Dont think Beekeepers opinions on this thread make him a lunatic, and he is dead right that if Ed002 hadnt mentioned Slot a couple of weeks ago this site would be in meltdown. Also right about managers like emery, De Zerbi been written off while we all jump on the slot train. having said that let's hope ed002 is right.

23 Apr 2024 20:36:53
Slot might have won league in dutch league but this is akin to Leicester winning here. Sure they played well but it's pretty uncontested with Ajax and psv being so bad.

He may well end up doing well but I suspect it will be three or four years of messing about trying to get 4th and getting to fa cup final a couple of times while consistently telling ourselves 'we are turning a corner'

Let's hope I'm totally wrong but I think this is a manager chosen to work with a limited budget, who won't cost a lot to bring in and who will be interested because it's a significant step up in profile and finances from where he currently is.

All the other coaches rumoured supposedly weren't interested and one can only assume they did not believe coming to Liverpool was better than where they were.

23 Apr 2024 20:50:40
Lunacy is attacking the poster instead of any meaningful contribution to the thread. And I am right Mr VV has been abusing every manager on this forum except Arne Slot 😂😂😂.

23 Apr 2024 21:33:46
Beekeeper, pointing out that Kovac, Frank, Nagelsmann, Tuchel, Mourinho, De Zerbi, Fonseca, Zidane, Potter, Emry or whoever else are entirely inappropriate choices isn’t abuse. Pointing out their failures and shortcomings isn’t abuse. It’s fair criticism. Not one of those managers would be a suitable candidate to replace Klopp for a multitude of reasons.

Kovac, shocking manager, manages to create a toxic environment at every club he manages, Max Kruse and Tomas Muller at Wolfsburg and Bayern were very public about him. In all cases his teams down tools

Mourinho, I mean, do I need to explain? As welcome as a fart in a crowded lift.

De Zerbi, not had any success outside of Ukraine, arguably made Brighton worse. Could start a fight in an empty room.

Fonseca, journeyman manager who has only won titles in the Ukraine for the most dominant team. Same as De Zerbi.

Zidane, outside of Madrid where he had the best squad and the most money he’s done nothing. Also a complete personality vacuum and speaks no English. His style of play is abominable too.

Potter, failed massively at Chelsea and done nothing since to rebuild his rep.

Emry, can’t do it at a big club. End of. Also his teams play extremely negatively.

Nagelsmann, ridiculous ego on the man, is quoted as saying he has no respect for us as a club, failed at Bayern, is failing in the German national team, outside of Bayern little in the way of achievement.

Tuchel, has been sacked from almost every job he’s had since Dortmund. Failed in all of them. Didn’t match Klopp’s achievements in winning a title at Dortmund which shows he’s simply a chequebook manager. Also shocking attitude and extremely negative football,

Frank. Essentially the Roy Hodgson candidate.

None of that is abuse Beekeeper. Unless being critical is now classed as abuse which is as snowflake as it gets.

The best three were Alonso, Amorim and Slot. I’m fine with Slot as there appears to be a good manager there. Were it not for C.V. he’d likely have had two league titles at two different clubs to his name as he had Ajax running.

23 Apr 2024 21:34:01
If the Slot years- or months- are going to be so bad, it's a real shame that so many haven't enjoyed the Klopp years 😂.
Two games away from doing the quadruple and some people were still moaning.

23 Apr 2024 21:20:40
What a brilliant post @Nevada. Exactly my view.

23 Apr 2024 21:58:08
Every manager has to work with a limited budget. Some are more bothered about what we spend than what we do on the pitch or having managers like Klopp and Rafa. Managers that understand more about the city of Liverpool than so many so called fans.

23 Apr 2024 22:00:37
If it’s Slot then I hope he’s what we need and will support him.
One word of caution; Steve McClaren once managed a team to win the Dutch league with a team outside of the so-called big three.

{Ed025's Note - yeah but he spoke fluent Dutch so it was easy for him.. :)

23 Apr 2024 22:03:06
In fairness Rigsby I was only two steps away from marrying Kelly Brook.

Obviously step 1 was I’ve never ever met her and step 2 I’ve never even spoken to her. But apart from that I really feel like she missed out.

23 Apr 2024 22:05:35
Dont know Rigsby, they seem pretty bee-lievable to me.

23 Apr 2024 22:50:41
If any of you haven't seen McCLaren doing a presser in English but with a Dutch accent, Google it, gold.

23 Apr 2024 22:51:32
She's a nice enough lass, JK.
I only went out with her twice and she cancelled on me twice. She was more bothered about her gardening than me getting the quadruple number of dates up. And like Liverpool, I missed out on getting my hands on the big two.
I promise I won't do any puns about how fans should enjoy Slot even if he doesn't have any Dutch caps.

24 Apr 2024 00:07:13
@Viktor

Everything you said about those managers who were good enough can also apply to slot.

Never managed a big club. Little experience in Europe (I genuinely don't know how well feyenoord did in champs league after their title win, anyone? )

It's silly to use those criticisms against one group of managers when they can also apply to the ones you don't like.

For me I'm a little biased I suppose because there's never been a successful Dutch manager in premiership and they all tend to stick to the same way of playing and being very inconsistent. Hope slot is the exception.


I keep saying people say that they like slot because he wants to come (assuming he does) . But wouldnyou want me as manager? I would love to take the job, pretty sure I'd be rubbish but I'd love it. That's not a very good measure of if someone is good enough. Woy wanted it remember as did Brenda. Klopp initially didn't want it and had to be talked into it by his wife.

While I understand the reasoning behind that thinking it does pose a bigger question - why is the job being viewed as undesirable to the best up and coming managers?

24 Apr 2024 00:22:36
Arne Slot🤔
Sometimes I apply logic, sometimes knowledge.
With Slot it was my gut feeling saying No.
Then I looked at why I might feel this way. Eredivisie? Well the previous big teams are not doing their best. Primeira Liga. Sporting, Benfica and Porto. Quite a handful.
Then I look at what Liverpool need. A big character and also very experienced and knowledgeable. Ah yes Klopp. 😱 Oh wait a minite he is leaving because he is knackered, he gave his all to Liverpool.
Who could replace him? Oh no not Maureen aka Mourinho.
Well he does have the qualifications.
I wanted Amorim. Alonso is not possible.
Slot. Likely to find himself out of his depth, and quickly. I bet the Utd supporters are having a quiet chuckle. Ten Haag was supposed to tick the boxes. Yet out of his depth.
The Liverpool job could well be too big and difficult for many.
Perhaps a big and difficult manager is needed. Someone with a scowl not a smile?
We shall see. I don't have faith in Stats because there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

24 Apr 2024 09:09:24
I don't get why people are comparing Slot with Ten Hag because they are both Dutch. It's silly and fans are already worried about United fans laughing at us for appointing a Dutch manager!
It's nigh on impossible to bring in another Klopp or anyone better. Who is there? Guardiola? Mourinho? It may be impossible not nigh on impossible 😂.
Every new appointment is a gamble and this will be no different. Klopp will leave us in far better shape than we he took over and we should be remember that but give the new manager a fair crack of the whip.

24 Apr 2024 13:00:50
Nevada, Feyenoord is NOTHING like Leicester in terms of history and trophies won. In fact, Feyenoord is what Leicester wishes they were.

23 Apr 2024 15:02:40
Im calling it now, Arsenal loose tonight, we win tomorrow and City suffer a shock late defeat to Brighton Thursday. Title back in our hands.

23 Apr 2024 15:55:13
I'll have whatever you're drinking kim.

23 Apr 2024 15:55:32
I fancied Chelsea tonight originally but apparently they have lots of injuries going into the game including Palmer.

Hopefully they can do us a favour though.

23 Apr 2024 17:21:56
They have Barndoor Jackson. He will miss plenty.

23 Apr 2024 17:33:15
Well, we’ve got to hope for something.

23 Apr 2024 17:59:50
VV, what else are you going to do?

23 Apr 2024 18:29:40
No chance. Spurs could draw with them tho I reckon.

23 Apr 2024 19:28:31
As it’s still mathematically possible Oli, let’s hope that City and Arsenal fall to pieces.

23 Apr 2024 20:23:39
Arsenal are going to win 3-0 or so, dominating chelsea, so right now you look miles off!

23 Apr 2024 21:34:27
Looks like Chelsea are getting dry bummed.

23 Apr 2024 21:23:22
They are thumping Chelsea, Mystic Meg failed on this one.

23 Apr 2024 21:36:51
Let's get it right, the OP said Arsenal 'loose' tonight.

23 Apr 2024 22:00:46
What the fook was that Chelsea? Embarrassing to say the least. Poch will be sacked soon. That was truelly pathetic from a 1billion pound spend, enzo and palmer are the only decent players, the rest are absolute crap…. what's happened to Caicedo? Terrible performance…. could have been for arsenal even though I thought the 3rd was a foul 100% and white was crossing, but they were in complete control arsenal…. they deserve the title for me.

24 Apr 2024 07:57:05
Again Arsenal hand it out to a team we hope would get under the skin of our rivals, I'm going all out on reverse psychology from now on, I hope City and Arsenal win all their remaining games well maybe not City.

24 Apr 2024 13:02:39
They were "loose" alright, weren't they?

23 Apr 2024 13:46:45
Maybe I've missed something but why isn't Hansi Flick considered? Bayern played some incredible football under him and won the treble. Yes, it didn't work out with the german national team, but I guess managing a club is totaly different to a national team.

23 Apr 2024 13:52:32
Like I said, I think the idea of Herr Flick is just too good an opportunity to miss.

{Ed025's Note - but hes too busy looking at "the fallen madonna with the big boobies" to take the Liverpool job WDW.. :)

23 Apr 2024 13:59:20
Any takers for Unai Emery? he can get us the Europa league for sure.

23 Apr 2024 14:35:31
Emery crumbles under pressure mate. Not for us.

23 Apr 2024 14:42:47
SamiKewell, I actually wanted Emery to take over from BR at the time and I still rate him as a manager and coach. The amount of disrespect he gets from the English media and esp. a lot of these ungrateful Arsenal fans, is what does my head in.

23 Apr 2024 14:45:31
If he doesn't start well, the knives will be out for Flick.
He'll succeed Chris Wilder at the Blades.

{Ed025's Note - as sharp as ever i see Rigsby..

23 Apr 2024 14:46:21
Flick has been out of the game too long. Hasn’t anything to offer as a long term appointment. Plus beyond that short spell as Bayern manager he’s not really done much.

Emery has signed a new contract Sami. Not that it matters as he doesn’t seem to do well at bigger clubs. In fact he only really excels at clubs with Villa in the name. Villarreal, Sevilla and Aston Villa.

23 Apr 2024 15:26:43
Ed25, there are enough ample charms in Liverpool too! Look at brendan rogers.

{Ed025's Note - no arguments from me Lee.. :)

23 Apr 2024 17:48:47
Ed025. Acknowledging the 'Allo 'Allo reference. Brought a smile to my face. Understandably I think that will go over some heads. Probably need to be at least 45 and lived in Britain in the 80s.

{Ed025's Note - thats my target audience RR, when sitcoms were actually funny mate..

23 Apr 2024 18:28:52
Herr Flick is now bald. He goes by the name of Dave these days.

23 Apr 2024 13:44:20
Jota injured again for 2weeks, how we juggling this one for the derby?

23 Apr 2024 14:05:32
We should be looking for a buyer for Jota. His injury record is unacceptable for a top club.
One of the things I really hope leaves with Klopp is our APPALLING injury record and inability to improve it. Beyond the impact on our performances, it’s just irritating that “professional” players can’t stay fit. p.

23 Apr 2024 14:07:54
Jota puts his body on the line gives every last drip but pays for it by getting injured frequently.

23 Apr 2024 14:38:52
Fantastic goalscorer but the bloke is made of quavers. So frustrating.

23 Apr 2024 14:43:44
Getting silly now, always injured and a waste of wages if you ask me. I like the lad, when fit he knows where the goal is but come on, he can't keep at a club like Liverpool constantly (or almost) injured, it's stupid. I agree with you Lowe, it is irritating.

23 Apr 2024 14:50:10
Blimey, it's two weeks!
We've Salah, Nunez, Diaz, Gakpo and Danns. Everton will be without Beto, surely and DCL, probably 😂 so let's not get too despondent about the Derby.
I was relieved to see Beto give the thumbs up on Sunday because it was very worrying at one point.

{Ed025's Note - im glad Beto is ok as well Rigsby, but it would be more worrying for me if he played mate...i think hes terrible..

23 Apr 2024 15:10:12
Where's all the money coming from to replace all these players people want shot of? if they are injury prone then we'll not get a big transfer fee for them. So far it's Matip and Thiago, added to those is Tsimi, Jota, Grav, Salah, Nunez, today Jones as he's injury prone and Diaz coz his father is always mouthing off. Gako is being given a stay of execution after having a couple of good games so his head is currently not on the block.
Considering one of the Ed's today said that we might not be willing to pay Amorim and his staffs release clauses it's looking like money is tight again so hard to see how we afford to replace the above.

23 Apr 2024 15:45:14
Players get injured and I’m sure it’s frustrating for Jota as much is it is for us fans. But the guy is injured every season.

And saying he is our most clinical striker is all well and good but what good is that when he is not available? I would and expect he will be sold in the summer. One, to raise funds and two to bring in someone who not injury prone.

Btw, here is his injury record stretching back to the 18/ 19 season. I would add the fact that he joined us in 20/ 21, so the previous two campaigns below are from his days at Wolves.

23/ 24 - Knee collateral - 51 days
23/ 24 - Muscle injury - 28 days

22/ 23 - Calf injury - 116 days
22/ 23 - Hamstring injury - 31 days

21/ 22 - Ankle injury - 14 days

20/ 21 - Foot injury - 11 days
20/ 21 - Knee bruise - 84 days

19/ 20 - Calf injury - 21 days
19/ 20 - Ankle injury - 28 days

18/ 19 - Bruise - 25 days
18/ 19 - Hamstring injury - 32.

{Ed001's Note - I do wonder how much of a part his long hours playing videogames has to play (sorry bad pun) in his injury problems. It is not good to be sat still for hours on end.}

23 Apr 2024 15:48:29
I'm a big fan of Jota but his injury record is extremely concerning.

Its no good really what a player brings to the table if they're only coming to that table half the time you want them there.

I gave Nunez a bit of stick (in SF eyes was a hammering) yesterday but one of his big positives is more often than not he's available for selection.

23 Apr 2024 15:53:03
Ed025, I know what you mean. Beto is a big lad but apart from that I'm struggling to see what he offers.

Why is everyone so convinced that Salah is leaving? I'd be tempted to sell if a big offer comes from the Saudi league but would he want to go there and give up CL football?
I'd be disappointed in him if he did.

{Ed025's Note - i struggle as well Rigsby, a very slow battering ram is how i would describe him mate..

23 Apr 2024 16:03:36
The best ability is availability.

23 Apr 2024 16:05:53
@MCG
Don’t know mate. Some posters are convinced we are signing that striker from Sporting who is valued at £70 mill plus replacement lined for Jota, Nunez. Diaz, Salah and what more 😂😂😂😂😂😂
People have short memories. This club works on Sell to buy.

23 Apr 2024 17:04:25
You need a long memory to qualify when we last sold to buy.

23 Apr 2024 18:01:38
Ed01, that simply means he is not getting enuff sleep nor enuff rest hence, his ability to recover is severely subdued, if your premise is true.

23 Apr 2024 13:07:04
I did say don't count your chickens with amorim. People are overestimating how coveted the job is right now.

Despite the info coming from agents they do seem to be right about young up and coming managers viewing the Liverpool job as a negative right now.

23 Apr 2024 13:19:28
As big the Job is it is the structure that is the issue for Amorim.

23 Apr 2024 13:51:32
The structure shouldn't be an issue. This is one of the biggest jobs in European football. If you're not up for that then feel free to stay where you are or go somewhere with lower ambitions.

23 Apr 2024 13:53:58
@bee, what is it about the infrastructure precisely? I’d honestly love to hear what it is.

{Ed002's Note - I have explained his concern.}

23 Apr 2024 14:20:48
Amorim wants some control over who we sign and not to work under the strict jurisdiction of Edwards and Hughes. Plus West ham are offering more in salary. The man is capable @Johnny and is better than the dross we are now interviweing as we speak.

23 Apr 2024 14:43:50
Who are we interviewing, as we speak, Beekeeper?

23 Apr 2024 14:45:34
TheBeekeeper, I watched a podcast about Amorim and what he is like as a manager and the Portuguese league specialist mentioned exactly that he wants and is fully hands on about what players come to the club. According to him, Amorim does not do compromises. He wants who he wants and will not waiver. Back then, I saw that as being a slight prob and apparently, it is.

23 Apr 2024 14:59:43
To be fair Johnny, he’s perfectly entitled to want some level of input and control on the squad front. I’d read there was also disparity on the salary offer and what he’s asking for, again, he’s entitled to ask what he feels he’s worth. You’ve got to remember, he has no connection to the club and he knows he’s got lots of options so we’re not the only club he’ll get an offer from, consider that Bayern, Juventus, Barcelona, Man United, possibly Chelsea among others will all likely be looking for new managers in the summer. The fact we’ve spoken to no hopers like Kovac and Fonseca is very concerning though to say the least.

23 Apr 2024 15:23:36
Wdw perhaps we are offering the new manager magic beans after all.

23 Apr 2024 15:50:07
Apparently its about to be announced that we've signed a bumper contract with Adidas for our kit from 2025.

If announced Don't be surprised if we now offer peanuts with those beans.

23 Apr 2024 10:24:00
It feels a bit like there are no really obvious candidates for a new manager. Not just from a Liverpool perspective, but if any other big club was looking for a new manager.

Even Alonso - despite his sensational season in Germany - is very early in his managerial career with limited experience.

Big names of a few years ago like Pochettino and Tuchel seem to have suffered damage to their reputations. Mourinho is yesterday's man. The wave of English players ending their playing careers and moving into management has slowed down (and none of them have had success) .

I know it's very data and analytics driven these days and that's different to the traditional approach of getting the biggest name with the best track record but there just doesn't seem to be so many all-time-great/ legend type of managers out there anymore. Maybe Ancelloti is the last of that generation still standing.

Zidane is out there. His track record is incredible because of those consecutive European Cup wins but I feel like it's hard to really judge him.

Klopp and Guardiola are the big silver-back gorillas of the last decade. Obviously neither is an option.

Who else is out there? I still rate Tuchel actually. There was a time when I saw him as a possible Klopp successor.

23 Apr 2024 10:59:56
Zidane only had success because he had the best squad and the most money. His teams played like a BTEC Simeone team, and if that’s the way we want to go, we might as well get Simeone as at least he can speak English and isn’t a personality vacuum, unlike Zidane.

As for Tuchel, he’s a serial failure, has failed in every job he’s ever had. Somehow manages to upset his players, tactically negative and one dimensional and he simply isn’t good enough or charismatic enough for the job. He’d be sacked in 18 months and be as popular as Hodgson.

I’m not hopeful that we’re going to employ anyone remotely competent given that names like Fonseca and Kovac are seriously in contention for the job.

23 Apr 2024 11:06:16
The more I think about it, the more I appreciate Emery as an outstanding manager. I very much doubt he'll leave villa this season, but his record of success is underappreciated I think.

I like look of Amorim, Slot, Will Still, the Porto guy who's name I can't spell, Terzic, Rose, Farioli and Hoenes as young, up and coming managers.

And Ten Hag.

{Ed001's Note - Emery is brilliant with no pressure, the minute there is pressure on him, then his teams' struggle. Perfect for a team like Villa, for now at least, but not ideal for a team which expects to challenge for trophies.}

23 Apr 2024 12:33:15
I think Marco Rose is someone who would be a safe option and hasn't been mentioned much yet. He has never stunk the place out at any of his jobs. He played under Klopp at Mainz, did good jobs at Salzburg and Gladbach, was unlucky to be sacked at Dortmund (they were 2nd) and has done fine at Leipzig (including winning the DFB Pokal) . I think the Dortmund and Leipzig jobs are harder than people realise as you're losing your best players every single year. He has a proven track-record developing young players and he plays pressing, energetic football.

{Ed002's Note - Marco Rose is not joining Liverpool.}

23 Apr 2024 12:56:36
Viktor: I wouldn't argue that Tuchel is a serial winner or the best manager around or anything like that, and I don't have a strong feeling that I would want him at Liverpool, but I don't think "serial failure" is an accurate representation, depending on how you measure success and failure.

Since 2016 he has won domestic cups in France and Germany, league titles in France and Germany, and the European Cup, European Super Cup and Club World Cup with Chelsea. The argument against that would be that any manager can win in France with PSG and with Bayern in Germany (he did also win the cup in Germany with Dortmund) but when we won the European Cup, Super Cup and Club World Cup in the same year under Klopp we hailed it as greatness. Tuchel did exactly the same.

23 Apr 2024 13:04:46
And that, Babbity is what makes Klopp so special. He broke that stranglehold that Bayern have. Which is why Alonso, Anorim and Slot stand out, because they’ve taken clubs who hadn’t won for a period of time, built them up, developed a style, won a title and in Slot and Amorim’s maintained them at the top. Slot was unlucky that C.V. hit as AZ were competing to win the title against Ajax and were level pegging when it was cancelled. There is a reason they’re the best candidates.

23 Apr 2024 13:30:17
RR, I would say that Tuchel is a serial failure. Sacked by Chelsea, sacked by PSG and Bayern have said thanks but no thanks, at all those clubs he had almost unlimited resources but they were all absolutely terrible to watch. His “achievement” at Chelsea was meaningless as Klopp could have done the same with that squad and those resources, but Tuchel with our resources couldn’t because he has to have unlimited funds to be remotely effective, this has been shown repeatedly, how many league titles at Dortmund?

The league titles he won were one horse races. Even Nico Kovac won a league title in Germany with Bayern and he’s absolutely hopeless too. If Tuchel was as good as you think he is RR, he’d have won the title at a cantor this year. He’s second rate at best, nothing but a journeyman failure.

Quite frankly that man has no business at Anfield and isn’t welcome.

23 Apr 2024 14:06:10
@VV - you don’t speak for everybody within the club or those that support the club. Your last sentence speaks volumes about you.

23 Apr 2024 14:47:52
Tuchel is toxic as heck, man. And the footie he plays is or can be a bit dire to watch. Us getting him would smack of absolute desperation, IMO so I hope we stay well away from him.

As for who is out there, there aren't any very good to great options out there so at the end of the day, we will prolly get the best of a pretty lean bunch.

23 Apr 2024 15:05:22
Please no Simeone for LFC. we can have anyone else. it doesn't matter

his teams are the worst lot ever. esp AM and their style of play.

23 Apr 2024 15:09:44
Some of us have higher standards than others, WDW, I expect you’d be happy if we employed Roy Hodgson or Brendan Rodgers again.

Tuchel is not of the required standard, definitely not of the required character and the fact he’s an ex Chelsea manager alone should remove him from list as he doesn’t fit the ethos of the club. Same goes for Mourinho.

23 Apr 2024 15:25:24
I'm with VV on this. Tuchel would be bad choice as manager. Has shown to be extremely average and his team always plays dire football. It's no wonder that Bayern wants rid of him as well. He should definitely be doing better with them given the resources they have but being second by a long way just shows how limited he is. He did win trophies at Chelsea though but the football was terrible under him. Also has shown to be combative and not a pleasant person to work with. We'll just be setting ourselves back if we appoint him.

23 Apr 2024 15:53:19
I think Alonso was the stand out Fans choice and then it was Amorim.

So its pretty clear that certain sections of the fan base are going to end up upset or not happy when the mystery person is eventually announced.

After all Edwards has been quoted as saying they will go for a brave choice over a popular one.

23 Apr 2024 16:11:07
I don't think anyone coming from the Portuguese or Dutch leagues is a safe option, Viktor. They made AVB and Ten Hag look like geniuses. De Boer and van Bronckhurst also killed it in the Eredivisie. Even Steve McLaren won the title with Twente for the first and only time in their history. Unless they do something truly special like Mourinho winning the Champions League with Porto, it is always a massive risk.

23 Apr 2024 18:03:09
With VV, as well. Tuchel is absolute poison.

23 Apr 2024 18:04:37
VV - I don't have a strong view on Tuchel as Liverpool manager. Just saying I still rate him, which is just an opinion. And I'm not sure how you get to "if Tuchel was as good as you think he is", when I haven't expressed an opinion on how good I think he is.

My main point was to query your absurd, in my opinion, assertion that a manager who has won at least one trophy at every one of the clubs he has worked at, including league titles in two different countries plus a European Cup, is a "serial failure". The point about it being easy to win the league title with PSG or Bayern is valid but, again, that doesn't equate to serial failure. And whilst Bayern won't win the league this season due to a once-in-a-lifetime brilliant season by Alonso's Leverkusen, remember that Bayern are still in the Champions League semi finals having knocked out the team that is top of the Premier League. Even if you don't like Tuchel the person or think he has a track record for falling out with clubs - which if true is a good reason not to want him as manager - labelling him a serial failure is not credible.

23 Apr 2024 09:22:37
Not long after klopp made his announcement I had a small wager on Gary O’Neil being announced as the new manager! I’d definitely prefer him to a lot of the names being touted about, I’d rather give him a couple of seasons and potentially wait for xabi, I 100% understand his decision to stay at Bayern and admire the loyalty he is showing, guaranteed next season will be far more difficult than this. I can see Edward’s and the new S. D going for an up and coming British manager with premier league experience.

23 Apr 2024 09:27:25
Xabi will be going Real Madrid so we would be waiting a long long time am afraid!

23 Apr 2024 10:04:44
He hasn’t done anything at Bournemouth or Wolves. Easy pass surely.

23 Apr 2024 10:05:17
Of the managers we've been linked with who working in premiership at min, de zerbi, frank etc i would pick o neill ahead of them as well.

23 Apr 2024 10:09:07
The prpblem is the structure, Amirom wants to be involved in the transfer dealing and Edwards and Hughes wouldn't allow it, Plus there is a 30 mill euros in compensation and I doubt FSG have an interest in paying that sum.

23 Apr 2024 10:15:51
I'm getting worrying vibes that it might be De Zerbi you know. If Amorim is being courted by West Ham as the media are suggesting then it sounds to me like we aren't actively pursuing him (IMO no-one with any sense would even speak to WH if Liverpool wanted a chat) .

23 Apr 2024 10:23:56
No idea or inside knowledge obviously but if Liverpool don’t give Amorim the kind of role he wants and west ham does, then why would he continue with us?

23 Apr 2024 10:47:01
Simple answer Faith - compromise. If a manager prefers WH to Liverpool purely because of the underlying management structure then good luck to him, he's on a hiding to nothing there with no CL football and zero chance of winning anything in the next 5 years. Moyes deserves the freedom of London for winning the trophy last season.

23 Apr 2024 11:34:48
Onekiss- how much better at wolves or Bournemouth do you think klopp or guardiola would have done?

23 Apr 2024 11:21:15
Sounds a bit high horse to me.
It’s a tough job to be in if you put aside a fundamental part of how you want to manage.
Much better to walk away and take another project.

23 Apr 2024 11:51:32
Digger10, that is a VERY low bar though.

I think that’s an irrelevant point Jaydee, Klopp was hired because going down the Brendan Rodgers route failed spectacularly, so we appointed the best man for the job who had not only a track record of actual success and winning titles, but doing so as the underdog. Due respect to O’Neill but managing Bournemouth, Wolves and our U23’s isn’t really comparable.

23 Apr 2024 12:26:29
Viktorvaughn - had the players under Rodgers not bottled at the final stage like we appear to be doing again this year then klopp has only won one more title than Rodgers did in almost a decade of being manager.

23 Apr 2024 12:33:38
Jaydee, Wolves and Bournemouth went from mid table to mid table under O’Neill. Howe done better at Bournemouth and Nuno done better at Wolves and neither of them should be getting a Liverpool job. Pep and Klopp are two of the greatest managers of course they’d have done better there. We’ve tried these types of managers with Rodgers and Hodgson before. We need someone who knows how to win titles.

23 Apr 2024 13:03:29
Onekiss - just for clarity let me make it crystal clear I’m not hoping for o’Niel as our next manager I’m saying it’s plausible, your last statement is flawed however as all of houlier Benitez daglish souness Hodgson and Rodgers have also won titles, and in the last 32 years only houllier Benitez and Rodgers have managed to finish second, Klopps done one better once.
Exited to see who we get and whoever it will be will get my 100% support but it’s clear nobody has a clue who it will be at this stage which seems to be the Edward’s way.

23 Apr 2024 13:05:07
What about Andoni Iraola?

I wonder who recruited him at Bournemouth!?!

23 Apr 2024 13:12:05
Jaydee, I can’t remember us winning a title under Rodgers.

Klopp has also won a champions league, world club championship and every other trophy possible. He’s also been up against a club owned by a nation state with unlimited funds and been competitive, we’ve missed out by fine margins.

Rodgers had one good year and he still failed in that one good year. We literally fell apart and Rodgers was shown for the fraud he is when Suarez left.

Replacing a bonafide world class manager with a mid table manager on the basis of potential and who hasn’t won anything is a ridiculous risk which will likely go horribly wrong and take years to recover from.

23 Apr 2024 13:31:06
Iraola, guess we’re looking to consolidate that mid table position next year then.

23 Apr 2024 13:46:50
It's alright talking about getting managers with titles behind them and all the rest but once alonso decided to stay at leverkusan i don't think the list of managers available is too great. In fact its decidedly average the pool available. Amorion seemed next best but I'd say 90% of lfc fans didn't know who he was 6 months ago. Slot the same.
Always going to be an outrageous task to replace klopp anyway but at this minute in time there ain't much about.

23 Apr 2024 14:55:00
What mid table position, Vik?
We are second.

23 Apr 2024 14:57:53
@ViktorVaughan Seems to have been turned down for the LFC Sporting Director role.

Richard Hughes and his gigabytes of of analysis might be better qualified.