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16 Apr 2024 00:56:47
No wonder this team is looking fatigued we have had to come back from teams scoring first in 27 games 21 in the Premier league . The mental fatigue I feel is catching up with us now going behind missing loads of chances when we should be scoring is really caught up to us to the point its drying up.
15 Apr 2024 20:21:41
I don't know about all you reds, but for me Klopp doing interviews about what he and his wife are going to do when he retires has in my opinion, meant him taken his eye off the ball. He has six more league games left and hopefully a uefa cup, that he has been well paid for. so let's hope he gets back to having his mind on these games and leave with the love and praise he deserves.
15 Apr 2024 20:43:04
The players as well.
I know there's a lot of talk about tactics and that's got some validity for sure.
But tactics don't count for anything when players aren't closing down, playing passes behind players, falling over at bad times and missing sitters.
That was my point in the match posts. Yes, the coach is responsible for some of this but the players own an awful lot of what is happening right now. They need to really wake up now.
15 Apr 2024 21:19:04
Iwillbeared, ever heard of multi-tasking or having multiple thoughts at the same time? Klopp was asked questions and he answered them. It's not like he brought up these topics on his own, did he? Pls, let's move on from these innuendos cos that's all this is, IMO.
IMO, these are red herring topics that have nothing to do with what has been happening for months this seasons in terms of how the team has been playing, our ability (or lack thereof) to stop spotting the opposition team a goal majority of the time and the inconsistencies in our finishing that have plagued us for the most part of the season. That's what I'm focused.
15 Apr 2024 21:39:16
I agree Klopp and the players should think about football and Liverpool football club 24/ 7. The fact that they even eat, sleep or go to the bathroom is a disgrace.
{Ed002's Note - Not going to the bathroom could be a disgrace.}
15 Apr 2024 23:14:55
It makes me laugh.
You people expect Klopp and the players to give you absolutely everything yet the first time the results don’t go the way you want you turn on them.
What happened to us all being in this together? Or does that only apply when we’re winning?
You’ll Never Walk Alone, unless you lose and then you can all just be sacked.
And they say football fans are fickle.
15 Apr 2024 23:57:20
Fact is there is only a few games left with big prizes up for grabs but when we play the way we have lately. The players should be running themselves into the ground not this lack lustre play . with open goals galore n bad defending, do you expect us to say oh its OK don't worry about it. we will all be here again supporting our team next year n year after . But let say how it is without being classed as a bad supporter.
16 Apr 2024 01:12:19
If I'm being asked on what am I going to do after work, and I said I want to grab a dinner and watch a movie with the missus, does that mean that I'm done with my current job?
16 Apr 2024 02:25:05
@Haizan - nobody in their right mind thinks anything at all except for their job.
@Iwillbe red - you need to get out more and get a few hobbies, mate. Perhaps if the manager had been able to spend a bit more time with his wife and on holidays he might have had the strength and desire to carry on a bit longer at Liverpool eh?
16 Apr 2024 05:44:07
What happened to us all being in it together when the match going fans were blamed last week for the Atalanta defeat?
16 Apr 2024 06:07:45
WDW I find the less time I spend with my wife the more energy I have.
16 Apr 2024 06:42:19
I hope you give all your energy to your employer and no energy to your personal life just as you expect Klopp and the Players to give all their energy to LFC.
It's about balance . WDW hits the nail on the head.
15 Apr 2024 13:48:13
We're all annoyed at recent results, performances, missing sitters, team selections etc. but let's not moan today.
Today of all days is not a day to bitch and moan.
Be thankful, be grateful.
There 97 others I can think of who's like to have their say, they didn't get that chance.
God bless them x.
15 Apr 2024 13:58:33
Nice. That's a great shout and a really good way to put it into perspective and remember those lost 35 years ago.
{Ed025's Note - the memory still very raw to me RR and unfortunately i remember that day well, a sad sad day for football and the city in general as it effected everyone, still no justice for the families as far as im concerned mate..
15 Apr 2024 14:08:23
Very true mate. I almost posted something rambling on but you're right, today is not the day. Let's have some respect.
15 Apr 2024 14:37:09
In hindsight
Yes I should have held my tongue
Remembering the 97 and many more impacted by the disaster is more important than anything
Never forgotten.
15 Apr 2024 14:48:23
Definitely we shouldn't let recent results get in the way of memorialising the 97 fans who never came home 35 years ago. I'll be observing a minutes silence at 3:06pm. On the topic as well, I recommend everyone reads "When You Walk Through The Storm" by Anne Williams. It is an incredibly powerful book that perfectly embodies the fight for justice.
However, I don't think there is any need to censor discussions about football. If some people still want to have football debates today then just let them without making them feel guilty. Being passionate about what is currently happening on the pitch is totally separate to be passionate about the injustice that happened at Hillsborough. It doesn't really need to be turned into a divisive day with comments like this, does it mate. Just my take, as I think we're better off showing unity on today of all days.
15 Apr 2024 15:41:15
You’re right Myrtle. Today is not the day to pick apart recent results.
I made a mistake in doing that earlier, which was a lapse in judgement.
Today is about those that lost their life’s, their families, friends and also those who were there that day.
YNWA.
15 Apr 2024 16:57:18
Indeed, guys. This is not that day. If I have done that then, I made a mistake as well.
15 Apr 2024 17:03:04
97 people went to a publicly organised event and never got to go home, either the same as when they left or at all. Justice has not been served. Their memory will live on forever but there has been no justice . Special mention to the Forest fans, who never flinched, never panicked and are always so supportive. They had to witness that horror and could do nothing to help. Will forever be greatful to their fans and the club. JFT97.
15 Apr 2024 17:31:00
Alonso
I wasn’t picking on you or anyone else, far from it!
I’m as p. ed off as the rest of us an am bottling up my feelings of the last couple of games.
I was there that fateful day, and for me to moan about Xxx missing a sitter or Mr K’s team selection doesn’t sit right with me (today) .
However, tomorrow is another day!
On a positive note, 85 degrees here today!
15 Apr 2024 18:13:22
@Myrtle. No need to apologise. And we didn’t take it that way at all. Well, at least I didn’t. Your post was right on the money and was actually needed.
I’m sorry to hear you had to experience that fateful day. Prayers to you and everyone else that were personally affected. And you’re right, tomorrow is another day. Enjoy the good weather wherever you are 👍.
15 Apr 2024 12:24:18
On the plus side of the current terrible moment for us maybe Gakpo starting to look like a player that we bought from PSV
HOW if anyone wonder? Yeah by simply playing in his original position! WOW who would think of that? Playing player in their favorite position. you know like playing Macca in no.8 position instead of no.6.again WOW luckily KLOPP&PEP got these amazing bit of miracle moment!
On a serious note, hopefully next is Szoboszlai turn.
15 Apr 2024 13:08:47
Gakpo is a good player. Nunez I think was a mistake.
{Ed025's Note - give me Nunez over Gakpo any day RR..
15 Apr 2024 13:33:16
The lad was bought as a left winger we have consistently played him everywhere but left wing an klopp said the other day the experiment of gakpo in midfield was a failiure, szobozlai was bought on the back of playing as a right winger scoring and assisting for 30 goals for leipzig and we play him in midfield.
15 Apr 2024 13:54:21
Same here Ed25 mate.
{Ed025's Note - for me Salah Nunez brings something different to the table, ok his finishing is pretty poor but he frightens defenders to death mate and it opens doors for the other attackers to get space, Gakpo is decidedly average to me and would not get in any other top 10 team, just my view of course..
15 Apr 2024 14:00:43
If a massive clear out is carried out this summer. And that’s a big if, although I personally want and expect it. The forward line could be completely refreshed. Salah looks the most likely to leave. The reasons why have been well discussed by a number of us on here already. Diaz could and does look likely to leave. One, to raise funds for a squad refresh. Two, his father has bizarrely been on some sort of press tour about his son wanting to play elsewhere. So it’s all leading to his summer departure. Nunez is a tough one for me. I love his passion, energy and tenacity and I was holding out hope that if he could convert the chances he misses he could easily be a 20 plus league goal striker. But how long am I or we going to keep saying that. He cannot be our main striker because strikers win you games and he ain’t striking. This could go one of two ways, in that Amorim might back his coaching ability in turning things around for the lad and goes onto become that player. Or, and what I see happening is that if we get a bid anywhere in the region we paid for him I see us selling.
I could be completely wrong but I see Amorim, if he is to be our manager - keeping Jota, due to his conversion rate. It will be a big discussion between him, Edwards and Hughes as his injuries are a worry and currently you cannot rely on him to stay fit all season. But there are rumours that Amorim wants to bring Paulo Barreira with him, who is Sporting CP’s injury prevention and conditioning expert and one of Amorim’s trusted guys. Because of that I see Amorim taking a chance on Jota but bringing in a clinical striker who has a good injury record in Viktor Gyokeres. I have gone on about the lad already, and trust me whoever gets him has one hell of a player as he has it all. Pace, is ruthless, clinical, good in the air, strong, both footed, good hold up play and can go long or short. I would feel more than confident going into the season with Gyokeres, Jota and Jayden Danns as our central strikers. Gakpo would be suited as a player competing for the in the left inside forward position in Amorim’s system and would keep him for that reason.
15 Apr 2024 14:08:39
@Sepah and @Hailstone 100% agree.
Amazing what playing players in their natural position can do. Szobo will explode under Amorim next season. Yes he ain’t playing well but being coached into a Henderson type midfielder and played out of position will do that to you. The guy is a star and will become one of our main players under the right coach and position.
15 Apr 2024 14:47:18
Not sure how my post above made it to this thread. Was meant for Sepah’s post below.
15 Apr 2024 15:27:58
@alonso: You miss the whole point of klopp lad, I bet you was calling him a genius at the beginning of the season when we bought szob and probably whined when we bought endo. As for Amorim (if we get him) he not a patch on klopp.
15 Apr 2024 15:56:44
I’m starting to think Diaz’ dad was kidnapped by barcas president to be honest.
I like Diaz but if he wants out, someone wants him and the club can find someone better (I don’t see him as irreplaceable at all to be honest) then by all means sell him.
From what I can tell he’s not going to be a perfect fit in an Amorim team anyway.
He’s been good but not outstanding since he came in.
15 Apr 2024 16:18:17
How can you say he's not a patch on club? He's been very successful at Sporting.
15 Apr 2024 16:43:50
@Scouse John. Two things completely amiss with your post. One, how can you say a manager is not a patch on another one, when one is coming to the tail end of their career and another is starting one, and one may I add that has been successful to date. Two, not hard to click on my profile and go back to when we bought Endo. “I bet you whines when we bought Endo” I was one of the few who backed him to be a success and never said a bad word against him. Assumptions are a funny thing though.
I am not discussing recent poor results, tactics errors etc for the rest of the day out of respect for what this day should really be about. Was a lapse in judgment on my part that I posted anything in the first place regarding recent on field events.
15 Apr 2024 16:50:45
Gakpo and Nunez are different kinds of players. I'd lke to see them play more together, develop a partnership. Gakpo's game intelligence, touch and finishing is under rated. He finds space and doesn't try to completely leather the ball every time.
I'm also a big fan of captain chaos. He just needs a bit more composure in those crucial moments.
Of course we are all frustrated with not converting chances but we are not far away from completely battering a team when it finally clicks.
15 Apr 2024 17:02:49
Was Nunez a mistake when he was saving our bacon at Newcastle and at Forrest? Was he a mistake when he has been running himself into the ground chasing lost causes and providing space for other players to run thru create and/ or score?
People can blame missing chances on Nunez's back alone cos clearly he is responsible for the other players missing sitters as well cos that is what "supporting" our players has become. Miss me with that nonsense and wretched scapegoating. Salah had an absolute stinker and Darwin and any other forward outplayed him completely. Is anyone putting all our finishing probs on his back? If the answer is no then it's only fair to apply the same standard to everyone else. Or do we only want fairness when it does not suit our agenda?
15 Apr 2024 18:36:24
I think Atalanta on Thu might be a good opportunity to take Nunez, Salah and Diaz out of the firing line (no pun intended) and maybe look at starting Gakpo, Jota and Elliot.
It will allow fresh legs and opportunities for those 3 whilst resting the other front 3 (no scapegoating here) .
To be honest Endo and Mac look like they could do with a break as well.
I very much doubt this will happen but its only an opinion before the agenda police turn up and start dishing out on posting advice.
15 Apr 2024 21:23:40
If we are selling Diaz and Salah, I'd prefer not to rush things in terms of replacements. Wirtz in 2025 is absolutely worth waiting for.
15 Apr 2024 22:57:52
@Adam. Successful at sporting? Is Akin to Rodgers winning SPL with Celtic. Its a two horse race most years.
16 Apr 2024 06:50:17
Gakpo is far from average. A 25 yo winger with over 25 international caps, and a goal scoring record of 1 in 3 over his approximately 250 app career?
Nah, he's a good player, who just became another easy target recently, just like Hendo, Jones, and Jota have been before him. No I wouldn't have him above Nunez but there's not many I would to be honest.
15 Apr 2024 12:26:45
We were flying even with the kids onboard playing exciting football. Then came the Utd FA cup tie, a boxing game we should have won but thrown away. That after a bizarre decision to ditch the youngsters and play a near full strength team in the 2nd leg against Sparta Prague.
That seems like the turning point of our season. Perhaps over the international break the coaching staff have too much time to over complicate things, trying to regain control of games by playing the slow and laboured build up way.
But that just does not suit us at all. I was screaming at the TV during the first half of Atlanta game. The backline drops so deep trying to draw Atlanta to press, but when they press, we have no movement or courage to play out from the back. Kelleher would just launch the ball long. The gap between the defence and forward is so big, every single time Atlanta is winning the second ball.
The rot seems to then spread. During the Palace game, simple 5-10 yards passes are going out of play under no pressure. When being pressured, we were trying to make 2 yard passes to teammates that resulted in them being pressed and the loss in possession.
It is just so frustrating and unbelievable that the team is unrecognisable, now that we have the senior players returning from the injury crisis.
A season that had promised so much, seems to have completely collapsed in the past couple of weeks.
3-0 down in the Europa league QF.
City with 2 points lead in the lead. They don't drop points at the home straight do they.
Klopp turned us from doubters to believers.
I choose to believe we have 10 games remaining, and treble is still on. Let's go red.
15 Apr 2024 12:58:05
When all the players started coming back from injury they immediately walked back into the side, a terrible decision.
The youngsters who gave us a bit of fire, McConnell, Clark and Danns, were discarded. They had yards in their legs, nobody could blame them for being tired and in Danns we have our most clinical striker (shots per goals) and he barely gets a look in. If you’re good enough, you’re old enough.
I don’t care about the reputation of Diaz, Nunez, Gakoo or even Salah, if you’re not scoring you should get dropped. A “what if” scenario, a “he’ll always grab you a goal late on” is only any use when it is a true. To not score against Palace is atrocious. Utterly defenceless. They had Hennessy in goal for crying out loud!
I don’t think I can ever recall a more profligate side under Klopp. The front three are as prolific as Ngog or Balotelli at the moment.
As for the goals we are conceding … I would be here for days …
Sad whimper of an end to a season is looking more likely than the bang we were anticipating.
15 Apr 2024 13:37:31
We decided to use the international break to (again) try and impersonate Brighton.
We have all the pace, power and verticality, and we choose to try to play De Zerbi-ball.
15 Apr 2024 21:22:08
FlyPelicanFly not saying I agree BUT that last line of yours really made me laugh.
15 Apr 2024 21:58:05
StEtienneAmen, Dean Henderson was in goal for Palace.
15 Apr 2024 12:22:04
It seems that within 3 weeks our season will be petering out
Sad though as come the end of March, I felt like we were in the ascendancy and wit players coming back, the quadruple was on
I felt it all went wrong in the home leg vs Sprata. We fielded too strong a team and the issues compounded from that point on
Against Utd were tired, wasteful and the way we were dumped out felt like it dealt a real psychological blow to us
We limped to victories against Sheffield and Brighton
Then again was wasteful and didn't win against a crap Utd again
Against Atalanta, wrong line up and tactics and soundly beaten, it's not longer a blip but we were flat
Against CP, though there was no inverted FB for first half, we lacked intensity
So to sum up our season and how it went all wrong
1) wrong lineup in key games
2) conceding first far too many times
3) wastefulness in front of goal
4) invert or otherwise, lacked intensity
All these were quite fixable issues I thought, as we did cope went some key players were out so I do think for most parts, the blame lies with the coaching team for the tactics and preparation and then some with the players for absolutely poor finishing
Truth be told our play for large part of this and last season was reminiscent of BR's team after the 2013/ 4 season
On a lighter on, both VVD and VDV (spurs) provided us with meme worthy slips this weekend. Guess these are things that can keep me entertained in the following stage of this season rather than hoping for more trophies
We rly had all of them in our hands but sadly, one wrong decision led to a chain of poor results and more wrong decisions and we are where we are.
15 Apr 2024 10:23:29
Morning Eds
With the way the last few weeks have gone obviously the reverting back to the slow and very laboured build up hasn't helped, but do you think it has exposed that maybe some of the players are good with patches of excellent form, rather than top class players or do you think maybe it's just a little stale and a new manager would give us a fresh start?
Thinking really of the likes of Konate, Endo, Szobo, Diaz, Jones, Elliot, Gakpo mostly.
I think personally it's time to move Sapah on this summer, he has been unbelievable but we can't afford to let him go for free and I don't think it's plausible to give him a massive extension.
{Ed001's Note - this is on tactics and that is the issue.}
15 Apr 2024 11:33:58
This is my two cents, for what it’s worth.
We have been poor for a while now. And those late winners were not really telling the full story if someone was just looking at the league table. Whilst many were screaming mentality monsters after those victories, many of us were saying it wasn’t sustainable, and here we are. Not even a knee jerk reaction as I said it before this game, but I hope and expect there to be a massive clear out this summer. I can easily make a justification for near enough half the players in this squad being moved on. In regards to Klopp, the man is a legend for everything he has done, there is no question about that. And I thank him for giving me the best memories supporting this club. But let’s be honest, he is not the best tactically and for me his tenure at Liverpool has run it’s course and it’s time for him to leave. He is making so many glaring tactical missteps it’s unreal and to compound matters he has no plan B when things are going bad. It’s either arrogance or incompetence, or even both. It’s worrying when the manager makes the same fixable mistakes over and over again, and saying that I can almost guarantee that Klopp will continue to set us up in a 433 with the same tactics until the season finishes, even if we continue to drop points.
Another observation is it appears there seems to be a lot going on with the players behind the scenes. I and many others have said before that there has been a visible shift in mentality and energy after Klopp announced he was leaving. I think a number of players have decided to leave this summer and the squad are aware of who those players are. I think Klopp has lost the fear factor with the players and dare I say, the respect of some. Then you have some players who have been protected by Klopp for far too long who are worried about their position in the squad, let alone the first team. Then you have others who have fought to gain the trust of Klopp like your Bradley’s who are thinking will the new manager fancy me. And you have your blatant Klopp signings in Gravenberch who know they were a Klopp signing and are thinking they could (and should IMO) be shipped out. One player who is probably jumping for joy is Elliott. The lad plays well and gets dropped for the likes of Gravenberch. Also, we was he benched for Jones and why were other subs brought on before him against Palace? Baffling to say the least. Anyways, I trust Edwards and Hughes to handle a summer clear out and I’m actually excited if and when it happen, especially if we get Amorim.
The saying life comes at you fast can never be more true than after todays results. From quadruple to Carabao Cup in the blink of an eye. If we don’t win another trophy, this has got to be one of the biggest capitulation I have seen in the league for some time. And despite Klopp making far too many tactical errors for my liking. I really wanted him to have a good send off for everything he has done for us, and that is looking unlikely now. Sad to see us finish the season like this.
15 Apr 2024 12:13:08
Seen a few talking about mentality, and I can see why as it is clear heads have dropped. I don't think that is on these players or their quality, however. We have a great squad, and if we don't win another trophy this will be our fourth consecutive year of performing below our potential, as far as I am concerned.
I think the players do look mentally fragile and rocked at this moment but I agree with Ed001, that all stems from the tactics. Stupid, overly complex and lazy tactics that they no longer have faith in. Titles are built on defence because it gives you a base to work from. Forwards are more likely to make the right decisions when they aren't being asked to bail out the rest of the team all the time. I'm not sure if any of our forwards look like long term starters for Liverpool right now, but I don't think the demands being placed on them every week are helping.
We haven't been in control of football matches all season. Constantly chasing and coming from behind takes its toll, mentally and physically. The manager doesn't appear bothered by this and hasn't been for the last four seasons, if we're being honest. I think a new manager that can bring some intensity, sharpness and attention to detail would make this group of players look brilliant again. We have been fortunate enough to have the best goalkeeper, centre back and right back of this generation, and haven't won either of the big trophies with them in the past four seasons.
In years to come, I feel Klopp's tenure will be viewed as follows. Years 1-5, some of the most flawless football management you will ever see. Years 6-9, a huge missed opportunity and failure to capitalise given the talent at our disposal.
The things that the manager is saying in post-match at this moment sound completely alien, he is a shadow of the manager he was a few years ago. He doesn't appear to be doing his homework on the opposition tactics at all and is placing the blame on his players, which is a first.
It is definitely time for a change. I hope that in years to come we can look back and say that one of the greatest things that Klopp ever did was leave at the right time, not dragging it out any further in the manner that Wenger did. Sad to see it end this way, but if nothing else, it is reassuring to confirm that his departure is what is best for the club.
15 Apr 2024 12:36:31
We have only really battered a couple of teams this year, we have labored through and now we are getting caught, we all look shot, staff and players, not sure why the kids aren't still playing as they really gave everything, Salah, Diaz defiantly need to move on, purely to give us funds, I am massively excited to have Amorim come in and do something different, Klopp has been slated for no plan B but Amorim changes play each game, the players need a new start too.
15 Apr 2024 12:38:26
Honestly lads, we've been rubbish a while now and defeats were coming - we seem to have abandoned the high energy pressing game again and gone back to a slow possession based system - why?
We look so much better with a high energy press, quick football and width - now we've went back to a slow possession game, passing for passing sake that opposition teams love defending against
Coupled with some poor performances and defensive lapse, we inevitably concede and then struggle to score - is this a tactical switch? If so, it is simply wrong and surely recent performances would show that?
Though we have been poor and whilst a lot of it seems a change in system/ tactics/ style of play etc; we have still created enough chances to win those games - our forwards could really do with finding their shooting boots again.
15 Apr 2024 12:40:49
Alonso - What you’ve said regarding behind the scenes is interesting in that there is little evidence for a lot of it, yet if it WERE true it would make a lot of sense.
A not-insignificant number of our players (Gravenberch, Robertson, Konate, Diaz, Gakpo etc. ) absolutely should be worried about their place in the squad, some for quality concerns and others for their poor availability. Klopp, for all his abilities, has proven to be a rather average judge of talent and our signings, at least in combination with Klopp’s poor deployment of them, are not offering the value they did in the early part of Klopp’s reign. As for Bradley, the new manager will not have a choice but to favour him - he’s a fantastic player and will be exceptional in any system.
I was devastated when Klopp announced he was leaving. Not anymore. He’s massively underachieved in the last two seasons and it’s entirely his fault. Hopefully the new manager will make us a bit less unserious tactically and we won’t have to start games 0-1 down next season.
15 Apr 2024 12:43:09
It’s the slow starts to the game that’s the most puzzling to me. How can all the coaches and sports science experts not sort this out. I honestly can’t remember a single game were the whistle blows and we go for it. Even this game against CP we start slow after the shock of a 0-3 lost at home. Klopps words were there will be a reaction. Well the only reaction was leaving a player standing in acres of space unmarked to tap a winning goal in.
15 Apr 2024 13:39:11
AW - great post and hard to argue with any of it.