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17 Jul 2018 00:50:58
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17 Jul 2018 00:50:58
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16 Jul 2018 22:36:51
Re question on preferred GKs. Jordan. Pickford impressed me with his bravery. Its more the norm now to see GKs rooted to the goal line instead challenging for high balls in the six yard area Shades of Ray Clemence.

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16 Jul 2018 22:48:19
What makes you think Everton would sell him? Especially to Liverpool?

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16 Jul 2018 22:57:37
What’s the question?

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16 Jul 2018 22:28:13
Excellent podcast 👍.

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16 Jul 2018 21:34:11
Ed 001 what did you make of Lovrens comments making out he's the best defender in the world? He's not even the best defender at the club.

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{Ed001's Note - he didn't say that at all. I wish people would actually stop believing everything they read and actually listen to his comment.}

16 Jul 2018 21:49:43
The article I read quoted him as saying ""I think people should recognise that I'm one of the best defenders in the world and not just talk nonsense I will say. "

Perhaps something was lost in translation Ed001? Or classic journos are fudging it for views?

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{Ed001's Note - journos talking crap mate, that was what he said exactly but why would they let the truth get in the way of the chance to dig at a favoured target?}

16 Jul 2018 21:55:20
Well said Ed001. Been annoying me last few days, pundits, social media accounts twisting what was said to suit their agenda. Rather than give the guy abit of credit considering how much he has turned it around since that Spurs game. He should be given so much credit.

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16 Jul 2018 22:11:54
He must be “one of” the best defenders in the world seeing as he’s playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world and one of the best international teams in the world.

I’d say he’s in the top 50 which makes him “one of” the best defenders in the world.

How many great defenders are there around at the moment?

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16 Jul 2018 22:13:03
And does it really matter anyways? Some of the world's most hopeless defenders have given our vaunted attack fits.

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16 Jul 2018 22:33:58
As it was he had a good World Cup and can be proud of his efforts. Journalists twist words all the time.

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16 Jul 2018 22:54:18
Did any journalist actually misquote Lovren or is it simply the OP misquoting Lovren?

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16 Jul 2018 23:16:33
Lovren is a passionate defender.

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16 Jul 2018 21:27:47
A question for any of the edds that might want to answer, at what point does the number of new players coming to a club destabilise the team?
We have seen this happen before.

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{Ed001's Note - there is no set number.}

16 Jul 2018 23:41:01
The 23st player.

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16 Jul 2018 21:13:09
I' might have missed it but I looked. I promise. Is there hype around Curtis Jones, the boy looks composed and comfortable on the ball bases on the limited sample size against weaker opposition. However he seems to be doing all the basics right, move into space make the right pass, picks up good defensive spaces. What does the academy make of this young boy he looks like he could be develop into a Cmd or box to Box. Like a Dembele esk type, good om the ball, not fly can dribble a bit. Anyone else rate this kid?

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16 Jul 2018 21:51:44
I think he's brilliant, I watched him last season and he stood out every game for the u23s. I just hope he gets his chances as he seems to have adapted to the first team well albeit in pre season against weak opposition. He made the step up from the u18s to the u23s mid last season and he made it look effortless so hopefully he can do that again this time with the senior team. He's certainly the one to watch from the academy and the most likely to step up to first team football.

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{Ed025's Note - the thing is da red man that the calibre of signings liverpool have made (and i dont think they are finished yet) means chances for the young guys will be few and far between mate, i wish i was wrong...but that hardly ever happens mate.. :)

16 Jul 2018 23:37:41
True Ed, and has been for a while. When I see us sign players who can't make the step up at Chelsea, I wonder whether it is to develop them a bit more at reserve level with a view to on sell.

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{Ed002's Note - It doesnt win leagues.}

16 Jul 2018 20:47:25
Just listened to the sharkapod. Thanks for taking the time ed2 interesting as always! Especially the music choices!

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{Ed002's Note - I am just listening to some real nifty stuff I will be incuding in the future. I know you all want the The Clique and The Calico Wall. The Caretakers of Deception and The Electric Rubyyat - the the stuff we grooved to when we were kids. Maybe I should try and turn you on to something more recent. Just suck on this electric sugercube.}

16 Jul 2018 22:39:13
Ed, the tunes you choose are absolutely spot on.

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{Ed002's Note - I have some real nifty stuff lined up.}

16 Jul 2018 19:07:06
I just listened to the Sharkpod and, from what was said, I'm really hoping we don't go back in for Fekir. Alarm bells should be ringing when a player is being offered around to any club that can afford him but there aren't any takers.

However, I hadn't realised that Brandt was a possibility again and he's a player I'm really keen on. My hope for the rest of the summer is he and Butland come in.

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16 Jul 2018 19:27:33
If brandt comes in Mane would leave.

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16 Jul 2018 19:34:03
Vakpa, no he won't leave, IMO. Brandt no longer plays wide for Leverkusen. He was switched to the no. 10 role at the start of last season and I believe he could be a possibility cos he wanted to come last season BUT did not wanna play second fiddle to Cou out wide left cos he said himself, that he needed first team football to get a chance at a place in Russia. Fekir would be my choice BUT if Brandt came along then I would be chuffed cos he is the real deal and will only improve under Klopp.

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16 Jul 2018 19:56:06
Brandt was touted as an alternative to Fekir, it needn't effect Mane at all.

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16 Jul 2018 20:17:25
I want Fekir over everybody else but I wouldn't complain at Brandt coming in.

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16 Jul 2018 20:31:31
Wish Paisley was around to watch Fekir because to me he runs like he's carrying an injury.

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16 Jul 2018 20:49:23
Every time I have seen Brandt he had impressed me. Him and butland would top off a fantastic transfer window.

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16 Jul 2018 20:55:40
Why is it only our club who seems to have to sell a 1st 11 player if someone else who can play his position is bought. All the top teams have competition for places.

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16 Jul 2018 21:42:15
Barcelona and Madrid have struggled in recent years to sign/ keep quality players without guarantee's as well its not just Liverpool. Its an issue for most clubs as more and more players prioritise game time (can't blame them), not really avoidable unless you throw ridiculous money at a player.

I'd personally prefer Fekir for our playing style, but Brandt is a fantastic talent. Either of them would be great.

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16 Jul 2018 18:50:53
Another thing, we keep on pounding on obout our academy. Let's face it, we have seen Owen and the likes of Sterling choosing us over money and self importance,

If we can get more youngsters like TAA grafting their heels off then I am all for giving our youngsters a chance. I feel for a player like Martin Kelly as he had all the right intentions but injuries got the better of his career.

We need more than just 100% commitment from youngsters to prove they are worthy of of putting the shirt on. More TAA's and we are set. Seems like they are very few and far between though.

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16 Jul 2018 20:49:50
How do you know if in 2 years Trent becomes a world star he might be off too?

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16 Jul 2018 23:40:26
His ma would kill him Jezza :)

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16 Jul 2018 18:11:45
Long time since I posted but you know what, in all honesty too much pissing and moaning about our GK situation.

I believe we have had a really good transfer window so far. Keita, Fabinho and Shaqiri.

All the negativity towards Shaqiry for me also unjust. He has made it clear that he was denied a move to LFC while at Bayern so let's at least give him a chance to prove he is worthy of wearing the shirt.

I doubt our transfer business is done yet. Our squad is improving season by season under Klopp so let's leave him to do the talking.

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16 Jul 2018 18:26:44
“Long time since I posted but you know what, in all honesty too much pissing and moaning about our GK situation. ”

Remember this if we start poorly 😏.

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16 Jul 2018 18:34:52
I can understand your pain Ron but Klopp is the one which decides. We have been linked with many GK's so one can only assume that a new GK will be signed.

We need to leave it up to our manager.

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16 Jul 2018 19:04:04
We need a gk, cb and number 10.

In that order.

Has to get done. simple. the club needs to move there arse.

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16 Jul 2018 19:17:43
I don't think we 'need' another CB, we could do with one sure but don't need one. Overall I'm happy with our defence going into next season.

Plus, I don't think it's as easy as 'the club needs to move there arse' that's just nonsense talk.

Good to see you posting again max.

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16 Jul 2018 19:18:02
New CB? Lovren not good enough to partner VVD?

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16 Jul 2018 19:45:05
Which CB, exactly Kloppsbposs? To play ahead of whom? If it is Lovren you are thinking of then you are fooling yourself cos Lovs is one of the best in the world as of now, plain and simple and he is Klopp's guy. If it for Matip then I agree BUT no top CB will come here to play as the third CB and besides, we have Klavan who can be relied upon to do a job and we still need to see if Gomez can step up at that position. Sorry BUT we have issues more pressing elsewhere than in a position where we have 5 players for 2 starting spots.

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16 Jul 2018 19:53:00
You just want a shiny new play thing in fekir.

We need a gk and a cb is crucial.

Lovren is good but that is it.

Then what title challenge with Matip and klavan 🤣 give me a rest.

Vvd can't be expected to carry every partner all season.

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16 Jul 2018 20:10:24
Kloppboss, so who should we get to replace Lovren and then have 4 CB's, Lovren, Matip, Klavan and Gomez having a holiday.

I think it is fair to say that a GK and or Ferkir are more likely to arrive than a new CB.

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16 Jul 2018 20:11:12
Well unfortunately for you mate the club seem to know more than you and it's almost certain there won't be a CB incoming so you're just going to have to deal with it and have some confidence in the team we've got.

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16 Jul 2018 20:44:14
Well max, sit down, there is something I need to tell you.

If we signed another cb, we could always sell one of the others!

Unless you think that klavan is crucial to the squad or summit 🤣

And there's Salah, my good god you have a bone to pick. Just because the club or klopp has made that decision doesn't make it the right one bub. Lovren, vvd, klavan and Matip is not enough nor good enough for a whole season. Vvd gets injured and our cbs have all shown there garbage together. All of a sudden an elite level midfield and attack is held back by a pretty average defence.

Why on earth do we need fekir when we have firmino, Salah, mane, lallaba, keita, shaqiri, fabinho, Henderson, Milner, origi, Brewster and even Jones.

Defence wise we have robbo, vvd, Lovren, klavan, Moreno, Matip, clyne, karius and ward?

Do you not see the disparity with that my man?

Cherry on top of the cake. Fekir is a final addition. We need the cake first.

Everyone laughed and baulked at the near 100 mil we spent on vvd but just look what that did to us. Imagine another similar calibre added next to him. We got the champions league final with vvd what could we achieve with someone else of his level.

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{Ed025's Note - you make some good points there KB..

16 Jul 2018 21:02:06
Klopboss, I think it is fair to say that Klopp is interested in playing attractive football. Not Mourinho type on any given Sunday.

We have have improved our midfield so that is a good start. Our midfileld was lacking last season so who knows, maybe some bite with Keita and Fab might just lighten the load.

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16 Jul 2018 21:12:26
Nah I don't have a bone to pick at all kloppsboss don't be so paranoid, I just disagree with most of the stuff you put up that's all. You can't handle it when other people have a different opinion to yours. Unfortunately for you, this is often.

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16 Jul 2018 21:31:54
I think our cake is pretty tasty right now. Assuming no first teamers leave, said cake got us to a champions league final. Fabinho and Keita make for a pretty good butter cream filling and if Fekir comes as our super glacé cherry then that'd be great. Did you lot not get frustrated about not having that option when we were struggling to make the difference towards the end of games? Our problem was breaking down teams who bank in, not losing games. We drew 12 games and only lost 5 last term, in the league. Turn those draws into wins and the table looks very different. That is achieved by scoring more goals, not just conceding less.

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16 Jul 2018 21:50:12
Oh Kloppsboss, we want a shiny new thing in Fekir BUT you don't want a shiny knew thing in a new CB (whoever the heck that is)? The irony is deafening. Fekir is the no. 10 that we need cos WE DON'T HAVE ONE while we have 5 CB's at club. How does that even make sense in terms of squad balance? You want us to go sign a VVD type CB at 75m YET you don't say who that will be. Why would Klopp wanna do that whereas we have Lovren who has proven to be one of the top 5 CB's in the world at the WC? Again, care to answer these questions.

You say if VVD gets injured and all that stuff? Who or what manager goes into a season and signs players with that in mind? You already have your depth in the squad with 4 other CB's and even if we sold one, what top CB will come here as third choice if Klopp sticks with Lovs and even you don't deny he was boss at the WC following from a brilliant CL campaign and final. And by the way, we already have the cake cos that cake made the CL final and if you think Fab, Keita, Fekir (hopefully) and a GK if one arrives are not the cherries and sprinkles on the already great cake then I can't help you.

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16 Jul 2018 22:43:39
5 CBs at the club? Really? Or is the thought that a GK will be like a fairy godmother and turn 2 bang average CBs and an unproven CB who can barely be trusted at RB because he let's the ball sail over his head? We have Lovren and VVD both good CBs and a great partnership. But until recently Lovren was always a brain fart away from being persecuted by his own fans. Now he is the Messiah! Then we have Matip, who cannot stay fit, who is inconsistent after a bright start and for me is a DCM not a CB, and a poor DCM at that. He was a free solution, a sticking plaster and he needs to be ripped off. Klavan is Estonia’s best defender but he is no Mart Poom, more of a Poo-Mart. And Gomez cannot stay fit and will we ever know whether he is a CB star or not? All 3 of these will be undermined by Karius/ Navas/ Butland, in fact we could play all 3 of them at once and Achterberg would still find away to turn them into chocolate wristed flappers. We may still do well in the CL in 2018/ 19 but if we make ourselves top heavy and fail to address the deficiencies at the back our challenge for the Premier title will be over by October. Buvac is not there to cover up Klopps defensive oversight this season. It’s going to be a bumpy ride.

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16 Jul 2018 22:46:37
Whether you agree with him or not kloppsboss makes a very fair point.

Imagine if vvd got injured and was out for 3 to 6 months.

Lovren and vvd looked towards the end of the season to be a good partnership that could potentially get better.

But if vvd was injured and it was lovren and matip or lovren and klavan. It definately doesn't look like a cb pairing that could push a title charge.

Perhaps then it becomes gomez's time to step up to the plate. Which is prob the most likely outcome in klopps mind.


Managers buy with injuries and rest periods in mind all the time. Shaqiri?

Unless maybe he's coming in to take salah or mane's place?

If he's not starting then by your logic what was he bought for? Because we have wilson and ojo. Right now they would be on the same level of squad depth as matip and klavan are.

Quality in the final third does tend to take preference when it comes to squad depth though. There aren't many sides in world football with 3 world class quality cbs. But it doesn't have to be a world class cb.

Just as shiqiri was bought it would do no harm to buy another cb, Someone to challenge lovren and keep him on his toes.

Matip are klavan could easily be shown the door if a cb of better quality than them was brought in.

But like i said in the post earlier gomez may well be the man to step up this year if he gets his chance at cb. I hope he does because he could be quality if he shakes off the injuries.

And with that the problem may be solved.

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16 Jul 2018 23:29:26
Ok few things. Brover.

A shiny new thing up front is better to watch than a shiny new thing in defence.

No-one wants there marquee player to be a cb. You want someone exciting and quality.

Then you go on about we don't have a number 10. Pretty sure the eds will agree that a midfield of hendo, fabinho and keita would more than suffice and take on every single midfield in the league and in Europe. Adding our 3 boys upfront, my good god.

Now your banging on about numbers.

So if we had 24 builders on the books at cb but only Salah, mane, firmino, keita, lallaba, shaqiri, origi, sturdier, Brewster and potentially jones/ ojo/ Kent you would still want to sign another attacker because we have more defenders?

It's about quality dude. Our 5 cbs. 1 who is very injury prone, played about 6 games for us at cb in Gomez can't be classed in the group.

Then we have vvd. He's the best cb in the league, but going for titles is having everything thought through, if he does get injured below is our options.

Lovren even though this is the season of his life, HE STILL had pleanty of stinky moments throughout the season. Even klopp in his last comments about a few days ago said it's about consistency with him.

Then klavan and Matip. Before I go on what are your aspirations? I'm moaning because I want to win the league and champions league next year. If your happy with scrapping 4th, yeah by the skin of our teeth, and losing in the champions league final then fekir is a very sensible move.

We showed last year that even even blizing teams away, having a 40 FORTY goal winger and two other 20 goal forwards we didn't make a dent on the league nor win anything.

City the year before spent 50 million on a rb, 50 million on a lb, 40 million on a gk and then 40 million on a cb in January. What did they win?

We are way to top heavy boys. If you honestly could make one more signing now out of varane and fekir who would you choose?

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16 Jul 2018 23:51:59
I agree with kloppboss and his summary is spot on about our centre backs. Matip is far from being a good centre half, he's lazy and slow, Klaven is good but on the wrong side if 20 and lovern has his good days but has plenty of bad days too. If lovern could concentrate for 90 minutes we would have one if the best pairing in the premier league. Gomes is still young and hasn't been tested out fully and then we have VVD who is very good but can go ball watching on occasion and loose sight of his man. We need a centre half who's good at organising the back 4 someone like carragher or hyppia, someone vocal. If the was someone like that we could pair with Virgil then we could get rid if Matip or Klaven or both.

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16 Jul 2018 17:31:35
Looking like 4231 or 433 next season then chaps depending on who we are playing. 4231 very attacking imo and no doubt we will see an extra Midfielder in the bigger games. Maybe Fabinho Keita as the 2 and then add Hendo for a 3. Thoughts?

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16 Jul 2018 18:16:27
Do we really have set formation under Klopp? It is not like Firmino was playing as an out and out striker last season otherwise Salah would not have gotten the golden boot.

Let's just forget about formations at the moment as it changes throughout every minute of the match.

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16 Jul 2018 19:47:45
Formations are meaningless under Klopp. We have players who can play the 4-4-2, the 3-4-3 (if Gomez plays RB), the 4-3-2-1, 4-3-3 or the 4-2-2-2 all from the same starting lineup. As Maxlfc said, formations are like stats under Klopp. They are meaningless hence, forget about them.

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