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21 Feb 2018 06:09:48
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21 Feb 2018 06:09:48
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Review Of The Day 21st February 2018

21 Feb 2018 05:05:48
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 21st February 2018

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20 Feb 2018 22:55:30
ed001, without sounding like a old fogey mate, what is your opinion on this latest craze on having ball playing centre halfs and goalkeepers? surely the only attributes that count is the ability to defend and keep the ball out of the net, also possession stats who really cares, the only stat that counts can be found on the scoreboard, just finished watching the Chelsea match and I have to be honest pal, I found it boring.

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{Ed001's Note - it is not really the latest craze, it has been around a while, it is just becoming more pronounced. The theory has been around since the Dutch Total Football days, when they decided the best way to defend was to keep hold of the ball. It is just one way of playing, if done right it is good, if done badly then it just becomes tedious.

I just wonder why they seem to produce ball playing centre halfs who can't defend as well as pass a ball? Surely by now footballers should be capable of doing both?}

21 Feb 2018 04:03:14
your last paragraph sums it up nicely for me, appreciate your reply pal, it certaintly has cost Chelsea a vital win that's for sure.

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{Ed001's Note - it is ridiculous. There is being ball playing and then there is taking stupid risks that are unneeded. There are times when you just have to accept you can't pass it out and need to clear your lines, as Pique did when he got trapped in the corner and just put the ball out for a throw in.}

21 Feb 2018 04:49:01
Wasn’t Alan Hansen a fairly decent ball playing centre half?

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{Ed001's Note - yes but first and foremost he was an excellent defender who could play, rather than a midfielder stationed at the back.}

21 Feb 2018 05:00:56
his reading of the game was also exceptional, now we have defenders like Maguire who get praised for charging forward yet are utterly incapable of doing the basics right when it comes to there primary job defending.

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{Ed001's Note - he is an awful defender, yet he is lauded in the media despite his constant errors defensively and his repeated turning over of the ball when he does those needless runs forward.}

21 Feb 2018 05:09:31
Defending and ball playing are both important but the best quality which Ed eluded to is the decision making intelligence to know when to do the appropriate thing.

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{Ed001's Note - spot on mate.}

21 Feb 2018 05:36:38
I totally agree with you preso and you ed001, sad to see such mediocrity get lauded even sadder that Maguire is just one of many examples I could have chosen.

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{Ed001's Note - people have just forgotten the basics of earning the right to play. That did not always mean being aggressive to deal with a team trying to outmuscle you, it could also mean forcing the opponent back by moving the ball forward quickly to create the space at the back to pass it around. Teams like Barcelona have become complacent and arrogant and think they do not need to earn anything.}

20 Feb 2018 23:41:23
So fed up with discussing a few handbags thrown.

New topic, your favourite Salah goal this season. Mine are:
1st. Vs everton at home.
2nd. 1st goal Vs stoke. (great technique)

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20 Feb 2018 23:54:16
2nd goal Vs Spurs? Should've been the goal to win the game, messi-esque. Bloody Lamela robbed Salah of a moment we would've remembered for years.

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21 Feb 2018 00:04:59
That would of been third on me list kloppo!

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21 Feb 2018 04:10:07
the header vs Leicester is worth a mention, also the goal against man city was superb, he has scored all types of goals for us and he isn't finished yet, however I agree that 2nd goal vs spurs was something very special indeed and will live long in the memory.

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21 Feb 2018 05:43:03
Just watched all 30 on youtube and it is toi hard to pick for me!

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20 Feb 2018 21:39:10
Chelsea v Barcelona would take either in the next round no probs.

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20 Feb 2018 21:49:32
Please don’t say things l8ke that.

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20 Feb 2018 22:09:27
Ok jonesred would be really scared to pull either of them out of the hat in the next round.

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20 Feb 2018 22:35:41
personally I found Barcelona boring, they were gifted there goal and willian was unlucky not to score more, the ref was excellent though imo, I don't see either side winning old big ears.

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20 Feb 2018 23:46:18
KK7? you watched Barcelona much this year mate? they're been far more pragmatic in their approach to games.

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21 Feb 2018 00:25:46
no mate I haven't I just find this passing for the sake of it boring.

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20 Feb 2018 21:34:36
Recently there was a game in the NBA between the Denver Nuggets and Oklahoma City Thunder. Denver were playing the game at home and won the game by hitting a 3 at the buzzer.

As the crowd are going crazy, a nuggets fan steps on the court and screams in the face of an okc player, prompting the player to push the fan out of his way. Everyone starts going crazy and the player is escorted off the floor into the back.

The next day in the media, everybody was going mad a fan was allowed on the court and that the player has every right to be able to do what was deemed necessary to protect himself. Not that the fan was going to attack him but how is the player to know otherwise? He should never be in a position where he is confronted face to face with a fan from the opposing team.

I believe the fan has now received a lifetime ban and the nuggets were fined substantially by the NBA. The player was not punished.

I understand that aguero has struck somebody and that is assault and subsequently should be warned of how to act and react in certain situations however it is not a situation that he should of ever been placed in.

People calling for aguero's head, saying that he is a role model, on TV etc. What about the gentleman who soar on him? Assuming he has kids is he not a role model? Is his behaviour not in the wrong? What about all th fans invading the pitch? They are on TV, do they not have a standard to hold to?

Once he is put in a decision where he is confronted by an opposition fan - rules are out of the window at that point. If he is attacked physically he has a right to protect himself.

If nobody has ever heard of 'The malice in the palace' I suggest you look it up. All of a sudden the issue of aguero protecting himself is the smaller picture in one of which he should never of been put in the position he was in.

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20 Feb 2018 22:10:55
Should probably consider what happened to Monica Seles too.

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20 Feb 2018 23:10:07
Looking to gain wisdom from how things are done in the US is not the way to go.

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20 Feb 2018 23:59:13
Denver Nuggets sounds like an Urban Dictionary entry to me, what a crap name!

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21 Feb 2018 01:42:11
Totally concur with Tomsbakery. You don't stop being a self respecting individual becąuse you defend yourself, wherever it may be.

Aguero defended himself and got a bit angry and wanted to hit the fella.

Id do the same.

This IS the role model our kids need.

Stand up to bullies and attack-minded fools.

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21 Feb 2018 02:45:34
Denver/ rocky mountains was a huge gold mining area hence the name nuggets.

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20 Feb 2018 18:48:19
My 2cents worth from city vs wigan - the FA should focus on 3 areas

1-players surrounding ref. Its an ugly look to the game, does nothing for any of FIFAs respect policy whatever that is. On pitch or retrospective punishment should be applicable and actually followed thru for clubs and players to learn. Only captain should talk to the ref imo

2-half-time altercation. That is an area within reasonable bounds you would expect better from players and coaches

3-pitch invasion and crowd control in general. If ya reversed a result or docked teams points i wonder if that would curb fan behaviour. This is included for all types of derogatory abuse

In terms of the aguero incident, I thinkbthe FA have done the right thing to remind aguero of his responsibilities. But recognize that that is a highly charged moment with crazy fans on the pitch anything could have happened. Players aren't paid to defend themselves against fans are they? that's what security are for. Given the circumstances and that the fan allegedly spat at him, I think its fair that the fan got a push / punch / handbag in return.

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20 Feb 2018 18:55:25
Completely agree faithinworks. Spot on mate.

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20 Feb 2018 20:13:43
It has been reported that Aguero would face no charges for yesterday’s action from FA.

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20 Feb 2018 21:24:54
Spot on, Faithworks. Baby Driver, that news is a disgrace and sets a VERY dangerous precedent cos right now, it is okay for a player to assault a fan on the pitch just cos the fan looked at him funny. So much for being the bastions of morality, these spineless and gutless FA dinosaurs.

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20 Feb 2018 22:14:08
I think he got more than just a funny look BRover and it was just a push back from what I saw, it's not like it was a kung fu kick like a certain UTD player did.

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20 Feb 2018 18:35:36
I have something that I would like to talk about. A confession. Perhaps you could call it a problem. They say that you should talk about your problems. So here it goes.

I'm just 'not that in to' Mo Salah.

I know he's arguably our best player, and he scores lots etc and he also seems like a nice bloke but for whatever reason he just doesn't tickle my fancy that much and I wouldn't be that bothered if we sold him.

Maybe he seems too nice or maybe its because of the Madrid stuff, I'm not sure.

Is there something wrong with me? Do I have a problem? Perhaps with time, my feelings will change.

Hope I don't get judged too much.

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20 Feb 2018 18:49:53
You’re off your rocker my friend! Wake up and snell the coffee! What is there not to like? You can’t not like him in case he goes off to Spain - enjoy him whilst he is here. Watch that YouTube clip of him from this season alone - the guy is a phenomenon.

Seems like a genuine nice guy as well. He is one of the most popular guys in Egypt - possibly even the most popular right now. Also, he is responsible for a whole rake of Egyptian Man Utd fans to jump ship - that alone has got to be worth something. He gives a pile of wedge to charity, and apparently he loaned the Egyptian government money to help keep their currency afloat.

And he’s got a great head of hair. What’s not to like?

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20 Feb 2018 18:58:48
Well at least nobody has mentioned aguero yet so hats off to you georget. Ps you are obviously taking the pi*s.

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20 Feb 2018 18:59:14
perhaps you don't like men with beards! on a serious note I think its because he seems too good to be true, he does not come with any villainy like suarez for example. I feel confident George you will change your mind in time, he has been a superb signing, 30 goals and more to come, we will miss him when he leaves and I hope that's not for a long while yet, no one should judge you too harshly either mate, at least you was honest and that's what this site is for. I suggest you look at his goals more, they truly are a thing of beauty, whilst were being honest he does remind me of jerry Garcia from the grateful dead!

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20 Feb 2018 18:59:32
You're not bothered if we let him go? I would seriously consider stop following football, i would lose all interest in the sport only run by money. He is the best player we have had for years and years in my opinion and will only get better because he has never stopped scoring fantastic goals since the first day he played professional football, nothing to do with Firmino or Klopp, he has scored for double digits for every single team and like 35 goals in 50 international caps, no matter manager no matter system he is a fantastic player who will score and assist. And the Madrid stuff bothers you that much? All players do it, Firmino had his agent approach PSG 1 year after he was here. Jeez sometimes i wish some players get the credit they deserve, what about Coutinho? for 2 years he was courting Barcelona, or Suarez who wanted to leave to Juventus, then Arsenal before moving. It's not just the players fault, they want to win things and we have just qualified to the last 16 of the CL for the first time in 9 years, let that sink in. And know they is almost no chance LFC or FSG could sell Salah in the summer, just enjoy him, hopefully next season we push on, win something and he doesn't push for a move at all.

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20 Feb 2018 19:57:45
I've worked it out.

It's his hair.

Im more of a gel kinda guy and his style just isn't trendy enough. He needs to take some advice from Firmino or Lallana. Try some products or a fashionable hairband perhaps?

Might need to wait till preseason but hopefully he steps up and makes some changes.

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20 Feb 2018 20:12:34
He’s also doing more for religious and racial tolerance than anyone else is and certainly more than our miserable politicians are. Long may he wear our red shirt and provide such fabulous entertainment.

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20 Feb 2018 21:26:38
GeorgeT, I suggest you go read some of Salah's interviews before he came to us. There, you will find that our Mo Salah is a MUCH better man than he is a fabulous footballer.

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21 Feb 2018 05:57:47
Anyone who plays with a smile on his face like Salah does, has got it all worked out. He makes me want my two boys to play professional football. He clearly loves it and appears humbly grateful. A superb role model on the field.

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20 Feb 2018 17:59:29
The fa have confirmed Aguero won't receive punishment for his altercation with a fan. They really are a bunch of spineless weasels aren't they? Ha. Absolutely ridiculous decision.

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20 Feb 2018 18:25:52
I'm totally on the other side here. Fan on pitcj, doubt he went up to aguero and asked him how his family is. fan on pitch, gets in players face. rekon he should be lucky he only got a handbag thrown at him.

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20 Feb 2018 18:28:31
Haven't seen it myself although I saw the pep incident on the news last night and thought he needed punishment for chasing the ref down the tunnel at half time.

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20 Feb 2018 18:32:27
I think it's a good decision, yes they're in the spotlight, but the fan was all over him after they just lost, probably rubbing it in his face and invading his personal space. Just cos he's paid well he doesn't deserve to be harassed by someone who isn't supposed to be there.

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20 Feb 2018 18:36:56
The idiot of a fan should never of been on the pitch and apparently spat at Aguero, Aguero should of smacked him one.

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20 Feb 2018 18:37:31
It seems ridiculous mate, but it is probably not worth your time having this debate on here. Who knew it was even a debate that hitting people was wrong 😂

FA have totally bottled it. If Aguero does that during 90 minutes, it's a red card. Ref was already down the tunnel so clearly missed this incident. Therefore retrospectively he should receive at least a 3 game ban for violent conduct missed by the referee. FA are a sham at the best of times but this takes the biscuit.

I guess Shearer is not the only thug in football who approves of violence!

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20 Feb 2018 18:45:24
I doubt you would sit back if someone spat in your face!

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20 Feb 2018 18:50:37
MK, do you mean if during the 90 a fan ran onto the ptich, assaulted aguero and then aguero punched him, then the ref would see it and aguero would get punished?

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20 Feb 2018 18:53:57
poor security, fan shouldn't be in his face in the first place.

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20 Feb 2018 19:02:34
im sure if it had been the other way round, wigan would have had the book thrown at them, I have said it before and I shall say it again, the FA are not fit for purpose.

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20 Feb 2018 19:14:03
Yes but Aguero is supposed to be on the pitch the fan isn't. Aguero didn't approach the man and get up in his face, and let's be honest he didn't 'punch' him, he threw an arm. who cares if he is a footballer, he shouldn't be put in that situation.

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20 Feb 2018 19:15:36
I can't see how people say Agureo is wrong if the fan talked crap or spat in his face, be honest with yourselves if someone walked into your place of work and spat in your face would you say thanks very much. It's self defence.

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20 Feb 2018 19:19:26
Sorry mk, going to disagree again mate. You told a fair story about getting shouted at by your boss. Many of us have been there and it's dreadful. That said, you weren't in fear of violence as he shouted so it's incomparable and though you think spittle is hardly a big deal, I'm disgusted at the thought of someone spitting at me. Regardless, a few years ago, a group of well known little scum bags jumped a black guy down my road and me and my girlfriend were driving by as it happened. Without thinking I hopped out of the car and ran to assist the lad. I was terrified but I did it and thankfully the sight of me charging down the road was enough to send them on their way (cos bullies are brave like that) Now, I'm not sure what I would have done when I got there but I'm fairly sure a strong persuasive argument wasn't going to sway their thoughts on anything so would I have been wrong in striking out? Should I have called the police and waited ten mins while the lads kicked the holy hell out of him. Can you get my point? Can I ask, have you ever been assaulted? I hope not mate, it's truly horrific but when someone comes at you and you (possibly) lash out to protect yourself, it's very possible you'll not stop at one strike. It's very likely you'll lash out until they've run off. It's human nature. See off the threat and as I said earlier, the lad wasn't alone and he certainly didn't head off after the strike. I'm sure aguero regrets it now but I'm not sure he'd do anything different if it happened again. I know you are hell bent on seeing the strike as an assault and it's unlikely you'll see it from a few of our views but honestly, no reason to dismiss different points of view. Your far too good a poster for that.

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20 Feb 2018 19:35:20
I think people aren’t judging the incident but are judging who it happened to and are letting footballing rivalries cloud their judgement. Aguero shouldn’t have reacted but he was certainly provoked and most people would have probably reacted the same way, with anger. If this had been Firmino we would all be defending him to the hilt, Aguero didn’t instigate this, he was attacked and reacted the same way most people would.

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20 Feb 2018 19:37:37
I agree with all points, the fa though should launch a thorough investigation into everything that happened last night, not just sweep everything under the carpet, after all we have seen what happens this week when things are swept under the carpet and not properly dealt with.

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20 Feb 2018 20:02:36
Well said king kenny.

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20 Feb 2018 20:14:00
No, i would not hit somebody even if they hit me. Not unless they were relentlessly attacking me and i needed to hit back in self defence. I trained in martial arts for 5 years and it is all about self defence. Blocking, redirecting force etc. Not hitting people because you know you have the technique to batter them. I am a very open pacifist though.

Faith, of course he would 😂 you can't punch a fan! Pretty sure a player got sent off for kicking a streaker the other year. Leave it to the Stewards.

I totally agree King Kenny. City are the darlings of the day though so what can we do.

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20 Feb 2018 20:16:00
The fan should get some sort of ban - he's invaded the pitch. Here in Oz you are lucky to walk away with a $1000 fine. You could argue Aguero was right to defend himself with the first punch he threw. However he then went after the fan and tried again. This is where he stepped into the realm of deserving some sort of punishment.

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20 Feb 2018 20:49:23
I think you are spot on with your assessment Phil_LFC.

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20 Feb 2018 20:51:03
Your a morally superior man to me mk. Still don't regret helping someone out when they needed it though.

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20 Feb 2018 21:24:36
Sorry aoe, i missed your comment. I have only ever been threatened since I've considered myself an adult. Once by an old team mate of mine for the last football team i played for. We had an argument at half time and after the game he asked me to step outside the changing room and fight him or else he'd drag me. I laughed and told him to grow up and he got so embarrassed he lost his temper and had to be pulled away from me. I didn't hit him though. I just let him embarass himself.

I did get attacked in my last year of secondary school and admittedly after I'd sidestepped the first 5 or 6 windmill punches i realised he wasn't going to stop and planted one on his chin to make him back down. He did luckily. I didn't chase him and try to land another punch though. It was purely in self defence.

In my first year of sixth form i was the victim of a politically motivated attack where someone hit me 3 times in the face because i supported a different party to him. I decided not to hit him back though and reported it to my head of year instead, mainly because he punched like a girl and failed to even draw blood with 3 free hits 😂 if he had been punching with more force, i probably would've hit him back in self defence.

With regards to your scenario, if a guy was being battered I'd say you were well within your rights to hit them back if they had swung for you as there was a clear and immediate danger to you and the guy you rescued. It was admirable of you to do that though and very brave! You must be a good person to risk your own life to save another.

Aguero clearly didn't feel endangered though or he wouldn't have ran towards the guy to try and strike him again. I'm not too bothered by the first hit had that been an isolated incident. It is the fact he ran after him as that not only makes the first hit look worse, but serves as proof that Aguero did not just flick out in a moment of fear. He wanted to hit a guy who hadn't even clenched his fists!

I'm not saying there is no acceptable time to hit someone, just that it should only be a last resort in self defence. It should never be a retaliation or act of revenge. Anyway, Aguero has been cleared of wrongdoing so i guess this case is closed whether i agree or not!

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20 Feb 2018 21:31:27
What I'm still confused about is people saying you can't hit a fan, he didn't, why are people saying that?

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20 Feb 2018 21:33:40
MK is spot on here and so is Phil. There is no way I will ever condone smacking a fan even if they swung at you first. That is a NO NO, end of story. Once you do that, you automatically lose the moral high ground, like it or not.

YOU are the professional and the onus is on you to set an example and simply back away from the whole thing and run straight down to the tunnel. Over a decade ago in the NBA, there was a fight that broke out btw two opposing players then a fan yelled all types of abuse from the stands. One of the team mates went into the stands and attacked the fan. The player got a tonne of games worth of suspension and so did the others who participated.

Moral of the story? You CANNOT strike a fan regardless of what they say or do. You are the pro and you need to avoid such situations. Yes, the fan should get banned and Pep should be punished for his role as well and so should Aguero for going after the fan after he turned his back and was running away.

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20 Feb 2018 22:13:08
For Faithinworks and Putney’s benefit the answer is yes if you commit violent conduct during the game against anybody it’s a straight red.
I once had to send a player off after he scored because as he got back to the half way line for the kick off he gestured and shouted at the opposing manager “aaarrrhh you f@@@in’ baldy kn@b’e@d, aaarrrhhh” complete with added gesture of kn@b mimicking on top of his head towards the foliclely challenged manager in the opposite dug out.
He was most surprised to be told he was being sent off. You cannot abuse, strike or attempt to strike, spit or Kung foo kick anyone whether that’s a spectator, ball boy, camera man, tea lady or mascot. You can be sent off before kick off and also, as MK correctly points out, after the final whistle, should the referee witness a dismissal offence taking place.

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20 Feb 2018 23:45:04
I can't really say on the aguero case, fans shouldn't be on the pitch, Aguero shouldn't have behaved how he should have, we don't know the true side of the story, aguero could be saying the fan did this when in reality it could be he who provoked the fan.

However if city fans are damaging the stadium some action should be taken against city, it's not acceptable. most of the time, you don't see other fans doing that. How many teams have city beat, what if they all threw their toys out the pram and started ripping up the etihad. Poor imo.

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{Ed003's Note - Happens all the time (stadiums being damaged) I'm thinking why the hell do fans want to run on a pitch ? I stopped that when I was about 13. This seems more like have a go at rivals to put them down in this new b*llshit age of football banter. It's better to think why a sportsman has to face a random chap who might be bladdered/other problems being on the pitch ?? }

21 Feb 2018 01:31:12
Been on holiday, just saw the incident. Please MK, just for once, get off your high horse. That vile little oik deserved a twonk round his chops. Shame Aguero was held back. Having a pacifist attitude in those situations does nothing more than to let him know it's ok to do it again as there will be no repercussions. They're people first footballers second and don't deserve anything like that. It's getting me angry just thinking anyone could chastise Aguero in that situation.

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21 Feb 2018 02:08:10
MK wouldn't hit someone back.

Pacifism is a noble theory but a cowardly practice.

There is always the right to defend yourself regardless of the situation.

A role model defends himself.

The moral high ground is a fools paradise in this situation.

To each their own but i admire Aguero even more.

Helluva Striker!

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20 Feb 2018 17:56:00
Viva las liverpoool!

Kind regards.

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20 Feb 2018 12:36:24
I was just reading down the page and something caught my eye from what MK had said. I quote.

'These are role models for children. Defending Aguero's actions is very dangerous. He's assaulted a spectator and we can't teach kids that it is acceptable to hit people who say something you don't agree with or like. You deal with this stuff professionally.
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You took the words out of my mouth with that statement mk, my 11 year old boy saw it and was gobsmacked, luckily he's at the age he knows it was stupid of Aguero to do that. Younger children who saw it, may think it's ok to do at schools etc. Players like Aguero and Suarez etc etc the list goes on, they have no respect for children who lookup to them as their idols. We need to see some sort of action against Aguero for what he's done, it is in no way acceptable.

End of the day they are meant to be professional footballers, acting like that when millions of people are watching is in no way professional, it's pathetic and needs dealing with. Some role model.

Totally agreed with the rest of your post MK but this bit stood out to me, nice one mate.

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20 Feb 2018 13:02:19
It really is just unprofessionalism and a poor example to set for children.

Maybe the fan has said something vulgar? Maybe he did spit but the cameras didn't catch it? That is besides the point though. Aguero hit him in the face. Call it a punch. Call it a slap. Call it a push. Aguero swung an arm at his face. Period.

He has then proceded to chase the guy and try and hit him again, having to be pulled away by a couple of people and dragged down the tunnel by what looked like a member of the City coaching staff.

He is a 29 year old man, and he was working at the time. He has to grow up and accept that on live telly he has just advocated violent retaliation to millions of children. It's unacceptable. If you can't handle it, go down the tunnel straight after the final whistle.

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20 Feb 2018 13:55:51
I agree he shouldn’t have lashed out but if it’s true he was spat at, then frankly I’m not surprised. They’re professionals but they’re also humans and there’s no excuse for surrounding, taunting and spitting at players if it’s true, I defy you, however professional you are, to keep your cool if that’s what happened.

Frankly the behaviour from both sets of fans was deplorable.

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20 Feb 2018 13:56:37
At one of my workplaces, a colleague of mine was fired for being too forceful in pulling a man away from a pregnant woman he was screaming at and then pushed. Will Augero even get a slap on the wrist?

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20 Feb 2018 14:00:47
If you physically attack a spectator, you already lose the moral high ground and hence, you lose the argument for any defence you may have. It is that simple. Those defending his actions is the reason our society is rotten to the core with no morals, no accountability with the "I confess he did it" or "He started it" attitude that is ravaging our civic society. To me, if you defend such nonsense, it tells us a lot more about you than it does about Aguero cos it tells me that you would do the exact same thing were you in his position. Again, it is that simple.

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20 Feb 2018 14:19:00
I've seen all the footage available (to the public) of the incident and cannot see any spitting SGred. That is the excuse coming out of the City camp though so i thought I'd mention it.

I've had far worse done at work and kept my cool. My last boss squared up to me and screamed expletives in my face. He was 50+ years old and i was 23 at the time so he was trying to tread me down because he was on a power trip. He was so close i could feel his breath and spit on my face. I calmly told him he was being unprofessional and that i was leaving his office, maturely walked away, reported him to HR, and put my notice in two weeks later after I found a new job.

Aguero is big enough and ugly enough to rise above this sort of behaviour, even if there was spit or vulgar language involved. I can't vouch for what was said but i certainly can't see any spitting or even a motion to do it. Sounds like a soft excuse to me, to try and deflect away from Aguero's actions.

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20 Feb 2018 14:46:02
Brover, if it's true that a fan spat in his face or he felt threatened- I must admit that I'd have the same reaction. Maybe it's my upbringing but if a bully assaulted me I'm not going to stroll away regardless of how scared I'd be-perhaps that's where we differ in generations. It may be the actions of a Neanderthal or maybe if a guy strolled into my work place after hours and threatened me I'd stand my ground. I don't believe this was a cantona assault. This was a lad face to face and he reacted. I don't like the guy but he is human and flawed. It was mentioned about kids seeing this and being affected. Can we not be so precious and realise sometimes it's not black and white and that the world isn't as fair as it should be. I get your frustrated point brover and I'm not attacking. I'm just suggesting sometimes there is vindication in unsavoury acts as un pc as they appear in this world of today. I don't condone violence but if I'm ever graced with children I'd prefer to point out what a scumbag the fan was first and foremost.

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20 Feb 2018 15:09:10
Been spat at in my opinion is as bad as been punched if not worse but Aguero is a professional, well, we thought he was. He should've just walked away if that was the case n went through the proper channels, lashing out like he did, he did himself no favours.

I'm not defending Suarez in any single way because he's a nutter but can you imagine if that was him last night? he'd of been plastered on every single newspaper and action would be taken against him, that's fact not opinion. I'll be very disappointed if there's no action taken against Aguero.

I honestly don't buy it that he was even spat at, I really don't, they are just trying to justify it which is absolutely pathetic IF that is the case.

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20 Feb 2018 15:27:57
If you spit in someone’s face you can’t really have any complaints if you then get lamped to be fair, two wrongs don’t make a right though and aguero shouldn’t have lashed out like that when there is a high risk of a riot breaking out around him, that’s if he was spat at, it didn’t look like it to me.

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20 Feb 2018 15:32:37
I do agree it is not as bad as Cantona. He had no reason to feel threatened unlike Aguero. So you can argue Aguero has lashed out in panic.

It is the fact that Aguero chases after him to try and hit him again though, that really makes this bad. He's not happy throwing his fist in the guys face instinctively, he wants to hit him again.

I understand that parents can explain to their kids that it is wrong, but as someone who was a kid about 8 years ago, i can categorically confirm that no child 100% listens to their parents. Parents should not have to do it. Doesn't it seem a bit ridiculous that people are happy to ban a fan for life just for approaching a player and saying a few words, but reluctant to ban the player who turned it into a fist fight?

There is no defence for Aguero here. The only real question is, was the fan as bad as him (did they spit)? If they did spit, maybe that reduces Aguero's ban slightly. He still deserves to be banned though. I just can't believe i just took a 24 point penalty on my fantasy team reshuffling 6 players to get enough money to swap in Aguero 🤦🏻 he scored 4 goals; i was weak!

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20 Feb 2018 15:33:28
Totally disagree, if he spat at him I don't blame him whatsoever, if someone spat at you wherever you were work or otherwise would you turn the other cheek? I certainly wouldn't I'd of reacted far more aggressively than Aguero did. Fed up of this self righteous moralising, good on you Sergio.

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20 Feb 2018 15:36:43
Let's hope they get docked 18 points!

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20 Feb 2018 15:42:39
'Right, who brought the rope boys. We'll string him up on that tree'.

Guys, this is a massive overreaction, Aguero's actions wern't violent, they were provoked and this is a storm in tea cup.

I've had to watch the video five times to try and figure out the awful thing I must have missed before realising this is just a ridiculous witch hunt.

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20 Feb 2018 15:56:04
I think the real tragedy is indeed the fantasy football league mk 😉 I'm sure a number of people are going to be desperately reshuffling their squad. I agree with you about him chasing after the fan but again I'd say it was more reactionary. Caught in the moment. Lots of bodies with grappling hands and fight or flight mentality. Anyone who has been assaulted could attest to such things. The fan didn't exactly run away with his tail between his legs and continued to harass the lad- from my viewing he wasn't alone either with another lad going for aguero as well. It was messy and bad for the game regardless of the fallout. Again I stress, I'm not condoning violence but he's human. The bigger issue were both sets of fans imo and obviously allowing fans to invade the pitch. It's such a shame that this has overshadowed pep and his "legends" and their inability to meet defeat with class or respect. Long may the love in continue with that muppet because with the money spent and the players brought in, any manager in England could be on top of the premier league at the moment.

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20 Feb 2018 16:05:21
I’m with you Putney. Just watched it now - was expecting a proper punch or at least a jab. I’ve been hit and pushed harder getting on a train at rush hour. It would seem as if the Wigan fan is proper goading him as well. Nothing in it for me.

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20 Feb 2018 16:14:01
Putney Red is right, hand bags. Clearly a slow week in the world of lfc if we're debating prats from Wigan and little Ken.

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20 Feb 2018 16:33:12
"Weren't violent"? He hit someone in the face and then chased after them to hit them again 😂

If that is acceptable anywhere in modern society, it's a joke. You might all say "I'd have done it to" but i really don't think most people would. It was the kind of reaction you expect from a 12 year old, not a 29 year old public figure on live tele at the time! Even IF he spat, so what? It's just a bit of saliva for gods sake. In all honesty, i think I'd have laughed at how pathetic the bloke was and drove to my £3m home in my £150k Range Rover, to spend the night with my supermodel wife whilst he spent the night worrying about never being allowed back into a football stadium.

Sometimes you just have to step back, and wise up. People who target you are usually just jealous and they want a reaction. Aguero has behaved with petulance and a lack of class and I'd like to think he knows that and is already preparing an apology with his lawyers.

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20 Feb 2018 16:35:19
Hyperbole living strong!

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20 Feb 2018 16:48:58
I heard the fan was singing the new Mo Salah song Adam and Aguero had a hissy fit because of it mentioning his religion 😉

Jesus Aguero is only human and no one knows what went on.

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20 Feb 2018 16:54:07
Aguero may have made a mistake. Everyone acting like they never made a mistake on here. Talk about role models yes I understand but many parents/ brothers/ sisters are potential role models but they will stay make mistakes. The footage will be looked at and he will be dealt with if found guilty, end of. Aguero maybe wrong but I think it is unfair to compare him to the likes of Suarez when it comes to unprofessionalism.

Suarez did things a numerous of times despite the club backing him publicly and each time it was for his own personal agenda not the clubs.

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20 Feb 2018 16:54:44
MK, you've got carried away on your high horse.

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20 Feb 2018 17:03:09
Wow. I'll leave it at that.

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20 Feb 2018 17:23:55
I agree with sgred. They are high paid sport stars but they are also human beings (not sure about zlatan) . If you've ever been to a game you may know how Charged the atmosphere can be. My auntie lives in London and is a Palace fan, she used to take me when they played Liverpool.

She also took me to Millwall Palace and I tell you it was crazy, the players were proper going for it with the physical challenges I think there were two red cards, one of each side and there were loads of yellow cards. The Palace forward (big blonde bloke, long hair) was getting battered but he was giving it back, he kept squaring up to Millwall players. Halfway through the 2nd half these two blokes stood up about 10/ 15 rows back (we were in the Palace end, behind the goal) they took off their black leather jackets and had blue Millwall shirts on.

No one did anything but the Millwall lads started punching people, a few Palace fans reacted and then the stewards split it up and took the Millwall lads away. The sad thing is they were both over 35, probably over 40. You would have thought they would have grown up by 40. I was only 12/13 and was quite scared. Millwall were singing about ambulances and stuff, and we fans were told to stay in the stadium after the game.

My point, or rather sgred's point, is that after a charged game, when you get beat, an important game and someone spits on you, I can understand aguero hitting out, I probably would too.

Oh, the Palace game was a draw I think 2 2. Could have been 1 1, 3 2 or 2 1. I can't remember, it was 25 years ago.

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20 Feb 2018 18:03:53
Those were majorly messed up times super salah. Millwall have always been nutters though. I know it still goes on but at least it's not glorified in the media as much as it used to be. Surprising really with sky at almost every game. ah come on back mk, sure it's a grand bit of banter.

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20 Feb 2018 18:33:36
It still goes on in the lower league aoe. I am very glad those days are behind us, it still happens on a small scale in the Premier league but it's organised and goes on away from the stadiums and away from the Real fans and their kids. Animals without brains. I hate violence with a passion but I also hate people who spit at people, Aguero didn't start it, he reacted. That i can understand, it wasn't good behaviour of course but it was human behaviour, understandable.

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20 Feb 2018 18:34:13
I really think ya'll are blowing this up a bit. Its more complex than aguero shouldn't punch somebody right? I mean this powder puff compared to bowyer and dyer!

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20 Feb 2018 18:54:06
I think it's two mindsets on the site to be honest. I could be wrong but it appears to be those defending aguero are roughly 30+ and those under are condemning it. Maybe I'm reading too much in to it. There is a generation gap between those who remember the world before the internet and those that have grown up with it. It's rare I've seen such an argument equally split.

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20 Feb 2018 18:55:43
MK, everyone is different mate. That you can self-regulate in that situation iant to say others can. And crucially, given all the context it is also not to say or expect that with all that added complexity on the pitch, that we would expect any player to self-regulate and walk away. that's why we have laws, security at the stadiums etc zeroing in on aguero here to me high idealistic and has lost all the context from a highly-charged and emotional situation.

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20 Feb 2018 20:56:40
It's a personal choice to be fair Faith. I got into a fight at 12 years old and it ended with me choking my class mate until he passed out and then giving him a black eye as he fell to the floor. Swore I'd never use violence as a means of retaliation/ revenge again.

4 years later i got into a serious argument with my brother and i put my fist through a door instead of hitting him. I do not agree with it under any circumstances, unless you feel you are in danger and it is your only means of defence. That is why i can forgive the first swing from Aguero as it may have been a scared panic. To go after him though was a clear act of vengeance that should have been punished. Never mind though. We move on i guess. He's got away with it now so it's done and dusted.

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20 Feb 2018 21:02:02
aoe - you're probably right there! I'm 33 and on the 'leave aguero alone' side! I like to think our age and maturity helps to bring life experience to the debate lol :p to our under 30s, I am kidding of course!

back to the point, have made my stance pretty clear in that it is too simple to expect aguero to do the right thing so to speak. obviously the highest moral standard is the ideal, but as is life, these things are grey with layers of complexity. for me FA came up with the most pragmatic outcome.

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20 Feb 2018 21:23:53
Mk, no one is disagreeing about the choice. Your punitive approach to disseminating the situation in this instance lacks a bit of context. in all of your examples they seem fair in the context. In this case no player should be expected to have to deal with a fan on the pitch. once the fan is on the pitch, all bets are off until the people who are paid to control and de-escalate those situations do their job. I must stress tho that I agree with the ideal! just that the added layer of context makes it not so easy to say that aguero should do this or that!

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