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16 Apr 2024 00:56:47
No wonder this team is looking fatigued we have had to come back from teams scoring first in 27 games 21 in the Premier league . The mental fatigue I feel is catching up with us now going behind missing loads of chances when we should be scoring is really caught up to us to the point its drying up.
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16 Apr 2024 07:58:49
This is why Robertson saying the forwards need to take their chances didn't sit well with me. Focus on your own game pal. We only have 2 defenders who can say they've played to the level they are capable of this season; Bradley and Quansah.
Virgil has dropped the ball in several games with his strolling around, Robertson and Trent have been absolutely cooked repeatedly on the rare occasions they've been fit, Tsimikas and Gomez have proven yet again that they're mid-table players (at best) due to a lack of ability to consistently trap or complete a pass, Konate has completely failed to up his game even remotely and has arguably regressed positionally, and Matip is less robust than a McDonalds straw.
The defence has completely and utterly failed us this season. If we didn't have Alisson/ Kelleher behind them I think we'd be down with Villa and Spurs scrapping for 4th, never mind the title. The defence is heaping pressure onto our forwards every week and like you say, that constant demand on them can only be a bad thing in terms of mental and physical fatigue.
On a more positive note though, just wanted to elaborate a bit more on Quansah and Bradley. To make the step up from league 1 and look this good at 20/ 21 years old is exceptional. They both deserve a massive amount of appreciation. In a season where the senior defenders forgot to show up, they have dug us out of a hole and helped us massively in some very big moments. If all the hard work at the academy starts to pay off by giving us 1 or 2 young lads of that calibre each season, then the future is very bright. So I don't want to come off as too negative, despite the clear need for a defensive rebuild!
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15 Apr 2024 20:21:41
I don't know about all you reds, but for me Klopp doing interviews about what he and his wife are going to do when he retires has in my opinion, meant him taken his eye off the ball. He has six more league games left and hopefully a uefa cup, that he has been well paid for. so let's hope he gets back to having his mind on these games and leave with the love and praise he deserves.
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15 Apr 2024 20:43:04
The players as well.
I know there's a lot of talk about tactics and that's got some validity for sure.
But tactics don't count for anything when players aren't closing down, playing passes behind players, falling over at bad times and missing sitters.
That was my point in the match posts. Yes, the coach is responsible for some of this but the players own an awful lot of what is happening right now. They need to really wake up now.
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15 Apr 2024 21:19:04
Iwillbeared, ever heard of multi-tasking or having multiple thoughts at the same time? Klopp was asked questions and he answered them. It's not like he brought up these topics on his own, did he? Pls, let's move on from these innuendos cos that's all this is, IMO.
IMO, these are red herring topics that have nothing to do with what has been happening for months this seasons in terms of how the team has been playing, our ability (or lack thereof) to stop spotting the opposition team a goal majority of the time and the inconsistencies in our finishing that have plagued us for the most part of the season. That's what I'm focused.
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15 Apr 2024 21:39:16
I agree Klopp and the players should think about football and Liverpool football club 24/ 7. The fact that they even eat, sleep or go to the bathroom is a disgrace.
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{Ed002's Note - Not going to the bathroom could be a disgrace.}
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15 Apr 2024 23:14:55
It makes me laugh.
You people expect Klopp and the players to give you absolutely everything yet the first time the results don’t go the way you want you turn on them.
What happened to us all being in this together? Or does that only apply when we’re winning?
You’ll Never Walk Alone, unless you lose and then you can all just be sacked.
And they say football fans are fickle.
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15 Apr 2024 23:57:20
Fact is there is only a few games left with big prizes up for grabs but when we play the way we have lately. The players should be running themselves into the ground not this lack lustre play . with open goals galore n bad defending, do you expect us to say oh its OK don't worry about it. we will all be here again supporting our team next year n year after . But let say how it is without being classed as a bad supporter.
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16 Apr 2024 01:12:19
If I'm being asked on what am I going to do after work, and I said I want to grab a dinner and watch a movie with the missus, does that mean that I'm done with my current job?
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16 Apr 2024 02:25:05
@Haizan - nobody in their right mind thinks anything at all except for their job.
@Iwillbe red - you need to get out more and get a few hobbies, mate. Perhaps if the manager had been able to spend a bit more time with his wife and on holidays he might have had the strength and desire to carry on a bit longer at Liverpool eh?
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16 Apr 2024 05:44:07
What happened to us all being in it together when the match going fans were blamed last week for the Atalanta defeat?
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16 Apr 2024 06:07:45
WDW I find the less time I spend with my wife the more energy I have.
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16 Apr 2024 06:42:19
I hope you give all your energy to your employer and no energy to your personal life just as you expect Klopp and the Players to give all their energy to LFC.
It's about balance . WDW hits the nail on the head.
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16 Apr 2024 06:51:46
The knives are out for Klopp. He’s gone from being the best manager we’ve had in 30 years to someone who gets picked apart by everything he says and does. Sad really.
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16 Apr 2024 07:20:33
Irish I doubt Klopp will lose much sleep over it mate.
At a guess he’s probably a legend in 97.3% of LFC fans eyes but you can’t please everybody all of the time.
Once Klopp goes he will be missed. He’s made being a LFC fan an amazing experience over the years.
For that I’ll always be grateful to him.
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16 Apr 2024 07:23:29
Awful post, nothing else to add.
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16 Apr 2024 08:03:45
Ditto what burley said.
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15 Apr 2024 13:48:13
We're all annoyed at recent results, performances, missing sitters, team selections etc. but let's not moan today.
Today of all days is not a day to bitch and moan.
Be thankful, be grateful.
There 97 others I can think of who's like to have their say, they didn't get that chance.
God bless them x.
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15 Apr 2024 13:58:33
Nice. That's a great shout and a really good way to put it into perspective and remember those lost 35 years ago.
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{Ed025's Note - the memory still very raw to me RR and unfortunately i remember that day well, a sad sad day for football and the city in general as it effected everyone, still no justice for the families as far as im concerned mate..
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15 Apr 2024 14:08:23
Very true mate. I almost posted something rambling on but you're right, today is not the day. Let's have some respect.
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15 Apr 2024 14:37:09
In hindsight
Yes I should have held my tongue
Remembering the 97 and many more impacted by the disaster is more important than anything
Never forgotten.
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15 Apr 2024 14:48:23
Definitely we shouldn't let recent results get in the way of memorialising the 97 fans who never came home 35 years ago. I'll be observing a minutes silence at 3:06pm. On the topic as well, I recommend everyone reads "When You Walk Through The Storm" by Anne Williams. It is an incredibly powerful book that perfectly embodies the fight for justice.
However, I don't think there is any need to censor discussions about football. If some people still want to have football debates today then just let them without making them feel guilty. Being passionate about what is currently happening on the pitch is totally separate to be passionate about the injustice that happened at Hillsborough. It doesn't really need to be turned into a divisive day with comments like this, does it mate. Just my take, as I think we're better off showing unity on today of all days.
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15 Apr 2024 15:41:15
You’re right Myrtle. Today is not the day to pick apart recent results.
I made a mistake in doing that earlier, which was a lapse in judgement.
Today is about those that lost their life’s, their families, friends and also those who were there that day.
YNWA.
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15 Apr 2024 16:57:18
Indeed, guys. This is not that day. If I have done that then, I made a mistake as well.
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15 Apr 2024 17:03:04
97 people went to a publicly organised event and never got to go home, either the same as when they left or at all. Justice has not been served. Their memory will live on forever but there has been no justice . Special mention to the Forest fans, who never flinched, never panicked and are always so supportive. They had to witness that horror and could do nothing to help. Will forever be greatful to their fans and the club. JFT97.
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15 Apr 2024 17:31:00
Alonso
I wasn’t picking on you or anyone else, far from it!
I’m as p. ed off as the rest of us an am bottling up my feelings of the last couple of games.
I was there that fateful day, and for me to moan about Xxx missing a sitter or Mr K’s team selection doesn’t sit right with me (today) .
However, tomorrow is another day!
On a positive note, 85 degrees here today!
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15 Apr 2024 18:13:22
@Myrtle. No need to apologise. And we didn’t take it that way at all. Well, at least I didn’t. Your post was right on the money and was actually needed.
I’m sorry to hear you had to experience that fateful day. Prayers to you and everyone else that were personally affected. And you’re right, tomorrow is another day. Enjoy the good weather wherever you are 👍.
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15 Apr 2024 12:24:18
On the plus side of the current terrible moment for us maybe Gakpo starting to look like a player that we bought from PSV
HOW if anyone wonder? Yeah by simply playing in his original position! WOW who would think of that? Playing player in their favorite position. you know like playing Macca in no.8 position instead of no.6.again WOW luckily KLOPP&PEP got these amazing bit of miracle moment!
On a serious note, hopefully next is Szoboszlai turn.
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15 Apr 2024 13:08:47
Gakpo is a good player. Nunez I think was a mistake.
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{Ed025's Note - give me Nunez over Gakpo any day RR..
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15 Apr 2024 13:33:16
The lad was bought as a left winger we have consistently played him everywhere but left wing an klopp said the other day the experiment of gakpo in midfield was a failiure, szobozlai was bought on the back of playing as a right winger scoring and assisting for 30 goals for leipzig and we play him in midfield.
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15 Apr 2024 13:54:21
Same here Ed25 mate.
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{Ed025's Note - for me Salah Nunez brings something different to the table, ok his finishing is pretty poor but he frightens defenders to death mate and it opens doors for the other attackers to get space, Gakpo is decidedly average to me and would not get in any other top 10 team, just my view of course..
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15 Apr 2024 14:00:43
If a massive clear out is carried out this summer. And that’s a big if, although I personally want and expect it. The forward line could be completely refreshed. Salah looks the most likely to leave. The reasons why have been well discussed by a number of us on here already. Diaz could and does look likely to leave. One, to raise funds for a squad refresh. Two, his father has bizarrely been on some sort of press tour about his son wanting to play elsewhere. So it’s all leading to his summer departure. Nunez is a tough one for me. I love his passion, energy and tenacity and I was holding out hope that if he could convert the chances he misses he could easily be a 20 plus league goal striker. But how long am I or we going to keep saying that. He cannot be our main striker because strikers win you games and he ain’t striking. This could go one of two ways, in that Amorim might back his coaching ability in turning things around for the lad and goes onto become that player. Or, and what I see happening is that if we get a bid anywhere in the region we paid for him I see us selling.
I could be completely wrong but I see Amorim, if he is to be our manager - keeping Jota, due to his conversion rate. It will be a big discussion between him, Edwards and Hughes as his injuries are a worry and currently you cannot rely on him to stay fit all season. But there are rumours that Amorim wants to bring Paulo Barreira with him, who is Sporting CP’s injury prevention and conditioning expert and one of Amorim’s trusted guys. Because of that I see Amorim taking a chance on Jota but bringing in a clinical striker who has a good injury record in Viktor Gyokeres. I have gone on about the lad already, and trust me whoever gets him has one hell of a player as he has it all. Pace, is ruthless, clinical, good in the air, strong, both footed, good hold up play and can go long or short. I would feel more than confident going into the season with Gyokeres, Jota and Jayden Danns as our central strikers. Gakpo would be suited as a player competing for the in the left inside forward position in Amorim’s system and would keep him for that reason.
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15 Apr 2024 14:08:39
@Sepah and @Hailstone 100% agree.
Amazing what playing players in their natural position can do. Szobo will explode under Amorim next season. Yes he ain’t playing well but being coached into a Henderson type midfielder and played out of position will do that to you. The guy is a star and will become one of our main players under the right coach and position.
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15 Apr 2024 14:47:18
Not sure how my post above made it to this thread. Was meant for Sepah’s post below.
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15 Apr 2024 15:27:58
@alonso: You miss the whole point of klopp lad, I bet you was calling him a genius at the beginning of the season when we bought szob and probably whined when we bought endo. As for Amorim (if we get him) he not a patch on klopp.
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15 Apr 2024 15:56:44
I’m starting to think Diaz’ dad was kidnapped by barcas president to be honest.
I like Diaz but if he wants out, someone wants him and the club can find someone better (I don’t see him as irreplaceable at all to be honest) then by all means sell him.
From what I can tell he’s not going to be a perfect fit in an Amorim team anyway.
He’s been good but not outstanding since he came in.
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15 Apr 2024 16:18:17
How can you say he's not a patch on club? He's been very successful at Sporting.
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15 Apr 2024 16:43:50
@Scouse John. Two things completely amiss with your post. One, how can you say a manager is not a patch on another one, when one is coming to the tail end of their career and another is starting one, and one may I add that has been successful to date. Two, not hard to click on my profile and go back to when we bought Endo. “I bet you whines when we bought Endo” I was one of the few who backed him to be a success and never said a bad word against him. Assumptions are a funny thing though.
I am not discussing recent poor results, tactics errors etc for the rest of the day out of respect for what this day should really be about. Was a lapse in judgment on my part that I posted anything in the first place regarding recent on field events.
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15 Apr 2024 16:50:45
Gakpo and Nunez are different kinds of players. I'd lke to see them play more together, develop a partnership. Gakpo's game intelligence, touch and finishing is under rated. He finds space and doesn't try to completely leather the ball every time.
I'm also a big fan of captain chaos. He just needs a bit more composure in those crucial moments.
Of course we are all frustrated with not converting chances but we are not far away from completely battering a team when it finally clicks.
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15 Apr 2024 17:02:49
Was Nunez a mistake when he was saving our bacon at Newcastle and at Forrest? Was he a mistake when he has been running himself into the ground chasing lost causes and providing space for other players to run thru create and/ or score?
People can blame missing chances on Nunez's back alone cos clearly he is responsible for the other players missing sitters as well cos that is what "supporting" our players has become. Miss me with that nonsense and wretched scapegoating. Salah had an absolute stinker and Darwin and any other forward outplayed him completely. Is anyone putting all our finishing probs on his back? If the answer is no then it's only fair to apply the same standard to everyone else. Or do we only want fairness when it does not suit our agenda?
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15 Apr 2024 18:36:24
I think Atalanta on Thu might be a good opportunity to take Nunez, Salah and Diaz out of the firing line (no pun intended) and maybe look at starting Gakpo, Jota and Elliot.
It will allow fresh legs and opportunities for those 3 whilst resting the other front 3 (no scapegoating here) .
To be honest Endo and Mac look like they could do with a break as well.
I very much doubt this will happen but its only an opinion before the agenda police turn up and start dishing out on posting advice.
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15 Apr 2024 21:23:40
If we are selling Diaz and Salah, I'd prefer not to rush things in terms of replacements. Wirtz in 2025 is absolutely worth waiting for.
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15 Apr 2024 22:57:52
@Adam. Successful at sporting? Is Akin to Rodgers winning SPL with Celtic. Its a two horse race most years.
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16 Apr 2024 06:50:17
Gakpo is far from average. A 25 yo winger with over 25 international caps, and a goal scoring record of 1 in 3 over his approximately 250 app career?
Nah, he's a good player, who just became another easy target recently, just like Hendo, Jones, and Jota have been before him. No I wouldn't have him above Nunez but there's not many I would to be honest.
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15 Apr 2024 12:26:45
We were flying even with the kids onboard playing exciting football. Then came the Utd FA cup tie, a boxing game we should have won but thrown away. That after a bizarre decision to ditch the youngsters and play a near full strength team in the 2nd leg against Sparta Prague.
That seems like the turning point of our season. Perhaps over the international break the coaching staff have too much time to over complicate things, trying to regain control of games by playing the slow and laboured build up way.
But that just does not suit us at all. I was screaming at the TV during the first half of Atlanta game. The backline drops so deep trying to draw Atlanta to press, but when they press, we have no movement or courage to play out from the back. Kelleher would just launch the ball long. The gap between the defence and forward is so big, every single time Atlanta is winning the second ball.
The rot seems to then spread. During the Palace game, simple 5-10 yards passes are going out of play under no pressure. When being pressured, we were trying to make 2 yard passes to teammates that resulted in them being pressed and the loss in possession.
It is just so frustrating and unbelievable that the team is unrecognisable, now that we have the senior players returning from the injury crisis.
A season that had promised so much, seems to have completely collapsed in the past couple of weeks.
3-0 down in the Europa league QF.
City with 2 points lead in the lead. They don't drop points at the home straight do they.
Klopp turned us from doubters to believers.
I choose to believe we have 10 games remaining, and treble is still on. Let's go red.
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15 Apr 2024 12:58:05
When all the players started coming back from injury they immediately walked back into the side, a terrible decision.
The youngsters who gave us a bit of fire, McConnell, Clark and Danns, were discarded. They had yards in their legs, nobody could blame them for being tired and in Danns we have our most clinical striker (shots per goals) and he barely gets a look in. If you’re good enough, you’re old enough.
I don’t care about the reputation of Diaz, Nunez, Gakoo or even Salah, if you’re not scoring you should get dropped. A “what if” scenario, a “he’ll always grab you a goal late on” is only any use when it is a true. To not score against Palace is atrocious. Utterly defenceless. They had Hennessy in goal for crying out loud!
I don’t think I can ever recall a more profligate side under Klopp. The front three are as prolific as Ngog or Balotelli at the moment.
As for the goals we are conceding … I would be here for days …
Sad whimper of an end to a season is looking more likely than the bang we were anticipating.
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15 Apr 2024 13:37:31
We decided to use the international break to (again) try and impersonate Brighton.
We have all the pace, power and verticality, and we choose to try to play De Zerbi-ball.
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15 Apr 2024 21:22:08
FlyPelicanFly not saying I agree BUT that last line of yours really made me laugh.
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15 Apr 2024 21:58:05
StEtienneAmen, Dean Henderson was in goal for Palace.
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15 Apr 2024 12:22:04
It seems that within 3 weeks our season will be petering out
Sad though as come the end of March, I felt like we were in the ascendancy and wit players coming back, the quadruple was on
I felt it all went wrong in the home leg vs Sprata. We fielded too strong a team and the issues compounded from that point on
Against Utd were tired, wasteful and the way we were dumped out felt like it dealt a real psychological blow to us
We limped to victories against Sheffield and Brighton
Then again was wasteful and didn't win against a crap Utd again
Against Atalanta, wrong line up and tactics and soundly beaten, it's not longer a blip but we were flat
Against CP, though there was no inverted FB for first half, we lacked intensity
So to sum up our season and how it went all wrong
1) wrong lineup in key games
2) conceding first far too many times
3) wastefulness in front of goal
4) invert or otherwise, lacked intensity
All these were quite fixable issues I thought, as we did cope went some key players were out so I do think for most parts, the blame lies with the coaching team for the tactics and preparation and then some with the players for absolutely poor finishing
Truth be told our play for large part of this and last season was reminiscent of BR's team after the 2013/ 4 season
On a lighter on, both VVD and VDV (spurs) provided us with meme worthy slips this weekend. Guess these are things that can keep me entertained in the following stage of this season rather than hoping for more trophies
We rly had all of them in our hands but sadly, one wrong decision led to a chain of poor results and more wrong decisions and we are where we are.
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