Liverpool Banter

18 Apr 2024 10:23:58
Not much evidence lately to suggest that we're capable of doing this, but I am going to say that if we win our next three matches (Fulham away, Everton away, West Ham home), we'll be top by the end of April.

Significant point to note is that City would have a match in hand at that point but Arsenal now have Wolves away, Chelsea at home and Tottenham away. That's a tricky run on the back of two defeats and a draw in their last three matches; I reckon they will slip up somewhere there.

18 Apr 2024 10:40:20
RR - I think the West Ham game is also away, so 4 away games on the trot - very difficult to get maximum points from those. In fact, I think we have the toughest run in of the top 3.

The one for me is Everton, because I can see them turning us over next week, especially if we play like we have in the past 3 games.

18 Apr 2024 10:47:42
RR, West Ham is away.

18 Apr 2024 11:02:45
Villa away is also tough. They're going for top 4. I just fear that even if we win all of our 6 games, which is a massive ask, we will still fall short. That's why losing to Palace was gutting.

18 Apr 2024 11:59:29
Not beating United. Drawing with all the top 4 sides. drawing with Luton and countless others.

18 Apr 2024 12:20:49
I can't see us winning many of them unfortunetly. it feels like that that time we lost six in a row. We look dead oN our legs.

18 Apr 2024 12:22:29
Love the optimism lads but it's done now I'm afraid, the United game was always going to be the one and for whatever reason we blew it. Maybe it's Klopps bizarre choice to go back to slow down Pep ball, or the fact the forwards couldn't finish. Same with the Palace game and that was the final nail.
Still been a very good season with an entire new midfield and to win the cup with the kids shouldn't be scoffed at.
But once again City are too strong, now u could point to the VAR in the Spurs game, not getting pretty blatant penalties against Arsenal or City but lifes too short.
Fingers crossed for a minor miracle tonight in Italy, the team is capable of it but as he's already admitted I'm not sure the manager is anymore.

18 Apr 2024 12:23:36
I'm worried about Fulham away. They always seem to give us a game. In our last 6 games against them we've only won 3, drawn 2 and lost 1.

18 Apr 2024 12:42:26
In some ways I was hoping that city would win last night but now they only have the league to really focus on I don't expect them to mess up. Very frustrating but I still think we've done brilliantly to keep on their heels. We really are just a consistent striker short this season, needs to be addressed. Hopefully new tactics might resolve that under a new manager either that or we can unearth another Salah-like gem from somewhere!

Different topic, I wonder if the likes of Madrid would still be interested in Haaland given his all round contribution this season. My guess would be no.

18 Apr 2024 12:53:47
I love how when things go wrong for us Pep gets the blame, though no one was praising him when we were winning every week. The only person to blame for tactics is Klopp.

18 Apr 2024 13:04:56
Time for Klopp to let the brakes off and full throttle heavy metal football again geothermal full backs rampaging down the flanks for width and bin the hybrid full back role for good
Up the pool.

18 Apr 2024 13:21:32
Geothermal full backs? That may well be an autocorrect issue but I love it! 🤣.

18 Apr 2024 13:28:21
Have people seen how majority of teams are setting up to play against us.

Its extremely hard to play heavy metal rampaging football when the opposition put 11 men behind the ball in 30 yards of space and you've got 75% plus possession.

City and Chelsea didn't at Anfield and both nights we looked exceptional. Then we go up against a Sheff utd and Palace and look a different team.

18 Apr 2024 13:37:34
Jesus lads, wouldn’t want some of you boys in the trenches 😂. I know it’s difficult and we’re going to need a degree of luck but let’s not chuck in the towel yet 🤷‍♂️. Anyway, ebbed if we can’t win I still want that second spot 👍.

18 Apr 2024 13:39:17
Wishful thinking I'm afraid mate, we're not winning the league, we can hope but it's not happening and we all know it.

I just wish to Christ tactics would be changed but that's not going to happen. We're pretty doomed this season. Gutted but there's more important things in life. We move on.

18 Apr 2024 14:08:04
No! Salah not u too, you're the king of positivity on here. Don't listen to me I'm just a cynical grump haha.

There is always hope, maybe just a fools hope.

18 Apr 2024 14:45:16
I’m not saying that we’ll win or not, but, we have been to Atalanta in a Champions League game at their place and pumped them for five goals with no response in recent memory. So it’s entirely plausible that we can do it again. We’ve nothing to lose but going for the jugular.

17 Apr 2024 11:13:02
Change of subject but I see naby keita has been banned by bremen and given substantial fine for refusing to play at weekend. Only started one league game all season too.
Man, what trouble he is. Possibly klopps worst signing. Some people never change.

Only 2 points off winning league and City could slip up. Never give up.

17 Apr 2024 12:15:50
He refused to play for us too. Just turned up on the pitch, had a stroll around and collexted his dosh. Awful excuse for a footballer.

17 Apr 2024 13:53:22
It's a real shame, he had the potential to be an excellent player. He was good before he joined us, joining us could've made him much better but he was a fool. Such a shame to see a player's career dismantle the way his did. Another one, only bothered about money, remember his bragging about his contract when he signed with us? That rang alarm bells. I don't get these players and their mentality these days, it really makes no sense to me.

Will he still get paid whilst been banned?

{Ed002's Note - There is a limit as to how long wages can be withheld for.}

17 Apr 2024 14:17:09
I remember ed002 calling it well before he joined and listed all the incidents to that date.
I think the club got the vetting very wrong on that one.

17 Apr 2024 14:46:08
Him and Steven Caulker were Klopp worst signings in terms of yield
Nunez has the potential to be the worst in terms of value for money especially if the clauses are executed and we cough up the £80m plus for him. He is as deadly as a teddy bear!

17 Apr 2024 15:11:49
You missed AOC @Shughes.

17 Apr 2024 15:14:34
Pretty sure Caulker was free and a panic buy, Keita has got to be his worst signing by a country mile. He cost a fortune and was absolutely dreadful when he was “fit”.

17 Apr 2024 15:49:05
And yet I had people insisting to me a couple of years back that Keita's good pre-season meant he had totally arrived.

Colossal waste of ability.

17 Apr 2024 17:26:08
Nope don’t agree AOC should not be lumped in the same pile as Keita.

17 Apr 2024 17:32:29
I think AOC had a very decent, single season with us. I also feel his failings weren't through lack of effort, just pure bad luck with injuries. Keita meanwhile obviously knew he'd hit the jackpot with Liverpool and completely gave up trying, happy to earn the thousands a week for not really doing much.

17 Apr 2024 17:41:06
Chamberlain before his ACL injury was possibly our best midfielder. He was never the same after that.

17 Apr 2024 18:12:28
Ox did have a decent first season with us. I don’t think he was ever an established starter though despite scoring some nice memorable goals for us.

In that first season he featured in 42 games for us but he only actually started 20 of those across 4 competitions.

However his stats of 5 goals and 8 assists is impressive.

17 Apr 2024 18:31:09
iirc, JK, AOC broke into the first team around January that year and started regularly until he got injured.

17 Apr 2024 18:43:16
I always wanted Naby to do well and he could have cus he had the ability. But his attitude and laziness puts him up there with Diouf and Balitelli for me in biggest wastes of oxygen that have ever wore the red shirt.
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, etc were crap but at least they tried lol.

17 Apr 2024 19:11:13
Sr if we look at Jan to his injury there was 13 league games. He started 7 and was on the bench for 6.

Even if we just go from Feb and discount Jan then there was 10 Games and he started 5 and was on the bench 5 mate.

17 Apr 2024 19:33:36
Hmm. I remember him largely displacing Wijnaldum. Maybe if he started the majority of the CL games in that period it might have looked that way.

*Waits to be told he only started half the CL games*.

17 Apr 2024 20:42:52
Caulker was a 6m loan, hardly a panic buy as he wasn't a buy. Didn't work out, that's what loans are for.

The Ox was a great player plagued by injuries imo - I really wanted him to work out (as did he! ) What is it about Soton prodigies who then go to Arsenal, and injuries, eh?!

Ed002, can you advise about what triggers Darwin's additional fee clauses? I'm sure it was reported that he actually cost around £65m but with add ons that could go up to £80m.

He needs to start hitting the net more often relative to the chances that he gets, but he is also a million miles away from Naby - he's our committed Agent Chaos!

{Ed002's Note - The total cost is 100M euro with bonuses related to games played and the success of the club.}

17 Apr 2024 21:29:43
Was worth his wages just for the city screamers.

17 Apr 2024 22:22:41
Whatever you think about his time here it will always blow my mind that Klopp dropped him for Henderson in the CL final. They didn’t play much together but Fabinho Thiago Keita were fantastic togethe. City in the Fa Cup semi final. Benfica and Villarreal away in the CL knockouts they were brilliant as a trio.

17 Apr 2024 22:57:46
I assume you're referring to the 2022 CL Final OneKiss. For all the hype Naby had gotten that season, he'd actually only played really well 4 times at most.

Most of his other "good" performances, he actually went missing 30 minutes in after a decent start.

By the end of the season he wasn't even starting games well. Absolutely the right choice to put in Henderson. Or literally anybody for that matter. A sack of polished coal would've been a better bet as a midfielder than Naby at that point.

17 Apr 2024 23:01:48
i honestly can't think of a game that Keita was brilliant, much less being MOM
he did score ONE amazing goal, but it wasnt a game changer from what I recall and apart from that, he didn't do much in the game too
he probably had decent games i could count with one hand, then under par games mostly, and more commonly, not even in the matchday squad

AOC on the other hand like many said, had a decent season b4 his injury, he really was never the same thereafter and i can't find myself blaming him. because when he did play for us, effort us always there, some absolute screamers against City, and the way he spoke during press conferences was always great. even his injury, it was incurred not because he was unfit, but because he went in fully for a tackle that he won


the 2 shouldn't be spoken together

Caulker wasnt a great loan, just as Melo, Davis, Kabaz, but i note he was having very bad mental health struggles and did put in 1 decent cameo as a CF to help us win 5-4 against Norwich. again, while his impact was forgettable overall, i wouldn't lump him with Keita who had everything a footballer could ask for to be successful, but did nothing with it the moment he joined us.

17 Apr 2024 23:28:57
He was good against Man U in 21-22 until Pogba injured him, cos whatever useless PGMOL gnome was officiating lost control of the game by not sending off Ronaldo, Fernandes or Maguire for outright hacking people, he was good against City in the FA Cup, and a couple of other games that season.

And I think he had a good debut against Palace. That was it in 5 years. The best he did apart from that was a good 20 minutes here and there. Never a complete game, much less a run of them.

There was one game in the CL against Athletico he scored a worldie after 10 minutes, said "my work here is done", didn't bother for the rest of the half and got subbed at half time. Vintage Keita performance. Except usually he didn't score the worldie.

Astonishingly lazy.

18 Apr 2024 00:56:55
Naby worst signing EVER . For some reason Klopp loved him. one of life's mysteries.

18 Apr 2024 08:42:31
Keitas first game for us (against i think west ham), he absolutely dominated it. Tore them to shreds. Constantly wriggling past players and causing panic as he drove at the defence. I thought we might have a real player on our hands. But it was pretty much downhill from there on.

18 Apr 2024 09:43:52
i have to say Keita was a bad signing in hindsight and it looks like he has a bad attitude in general. Just happy to pick up his wages pretty much like Thiago has been doing for 2 years. But that won't go down well with some .

18 Apr 2024 10:13:44
I'm a businessman, so I always think in terms of "value received against money paid". Keita and Thiago have to be absolutely the worst value received, in my years of supporting the club. The Caulker, Sahin and Arthur Melo loans would follow after that.

18 Apr 2024 12:09:02
A bit of a left field shout, but two for worst LFC signings have to be Suarez and Diouf.

Despite his abilities on the pitch Suarez dragged the clubs name through the mud with racial and assault charges. Diouf was just as bad with his spitting and other shenanigans.

On Thiago i can totally understand why fans would think he's the worst but his wages have had zero effect on me as a fan and what i can say is I got to witness another one of my idols live on quite a few occasions.

Wish it was far more but unfortunately it wasn't meant to be.

He could have been an LFC legend but he's likely to leave underappreciated which will be very much down to his ability to stay injury free.

17 Apr 2024
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, This is definitely Allison’s house up for sale. Let’s hope he’s just moving to a bigger house up the road and not on his way out.

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17 Apr 2024 09:34:57
This small house? its time to leave the planet.

17 Apr 2024 10:25:37
He lives in birkdalae doesn't he? Seen him joggimg around d.

17 Apr 2024 08:03:44
Who is the zombie looking character in the foreground on pic 1?

17 Apr 2024 11:25:30
Full story is and has been well documented is that he is moving to another house in Liverpool.

16 Apr 2024 12:46:32
It’s quite clear for a while now that Salah has fallen off a cliff with performances. I don’t think he will be with us next season. Looks ready to wind down now and get a nice payday in an easy league. Obviously will be a struggle to replace though.

16 Apr 2024 13:05:11
I think before his hamstring injury at AFCON he was playing some of his best football since his first season with us. However since he's come back he looks really jaded. Probably a combination of aging legs, the injury lay off and returning whilst he was fasting.

Whatever the case, I think it's the right time to sell. I'm getting the same vibes that Mane was giving off in his last season. Numbers are still there but the performance is slowly declining and the pace/ power looks to be dissipating.

16 Apr 2024 13:42:54
A fantastic player but I agree, the time has come for him to leave us. I think we've all come to terms with this. A Liverpool legend in my eyes but he's not been right for a while now. I kept thinking he'd improve and somehow save us but he hasn't and more than likely won't so it's time to get what we can. It'll be best for us and for him to move on.

Next couple of years are going to be interesting but it'll be no walk in the park, huge changes are coming. We are losing our manager, top goalscorer, probably Diaz and god knows who else. We will need to be patient even though we won't be lol. After recent results I'm welcoming it though, bring it all on. Time to move forward, we have youngsters ready to shine, use them! I hope the new manager sees what quality he's got in them.

16 Apr 2024 15:53:14
MK Scouser, I thought so as well. Let's be real here and not try to act all surprised. Salah is near 32 years old. You have to be living under a record to believe he would not lose a step or even two. That said, he had been playing some of his best footie at the start of the season as he was top 2 in goalscoring in the PL in the first 3 months or so.

It seems that hamstring injury and the setback he had after he came back vs Brentford (where he had a great game) has stifled him a lot. Was he rushed too soon? I don't know BUT he does not look fit at all.

The guy is a legend and an absolute role model for young players in terms of his mentality, desire and footballing lifestyle. The absolute poster boy of how to make a great career out of one where nobody thought you would not get anywhere near one. However, it may be time to let him go. It is what it is.

16 Apr 2024 16:34:54
If I was living under any record it would be Another brick in the wall by Pink Floyd.
Salah getting badlyoutpaced when put through on Sunday was shocking to me even though its clear he had lost half a yard before this season started since the return from injury he's lost about half a dozen yards. He also doesn't seem to want to press or track back atm which is making our best player a bit of a liability currently. Need Mo back and firing for the last games. If he does leave it will be a sad day but what a player he has been for us.

16 Apr 2024 16:52:26
As soon as KnickerBollox writes one of our players off you know he'll come good.
Salah might be completely out of touch right now due to various things, but writing him off as finished is just pure knee jerk, Knickerbollox style.

16 Apr 2024 17:44:34
The scout 007 has spoken, he's finished.

16 Apr 2024 17:56:17
Maybe if you got off your high horse Flash, you’d be able to see what the rest of us are seeing, which is a player in decline. Can’t be easy watching it all the way up there.

Mo has been and is an absolute legend, the standards he has set are absolutely world class and he’s easily one of the greatest we’ve ever seen at the club.

Regrettably though time waits for no one and once the pace has gone it’s gone for good. Better to sell now and get as much as we can than to wait a year and hope that things change, because they won’t, we’d also then be left to replace without funds to adequately do it. Difficult decisions have to be made.

Salah will be difficult and expensive to replace because at his peak he was unplayable, pace, skill, goals and assists. Players like that don’t come a dime a dozen and we’ll need to sign someone around the 24 year old age bracket who is as consistent as he was in Italy when we signed him (29 goals in 65 Serie A appearances over 2 and a half seasons for Fiorentina and Roma was exceptionally good), who also has the ability to get to the next level of their development and become a world class player.

16 Apr 2024 18:10:44
VV, Time will defeat us all. It's undefeated for a reason, man.

16 Apr 2024 19:53:56
Still think Salah can have a big say in how our season ends but for sure it's time to take the money this summer.

16 Apr 2024 22:06:15
Salah will now score 4 against Atalanta now you’ve all said he’s needs to go.

16 Apr 2024 22:29:20
Kloppers you must be living under a record!

Love that saying, I’m having it 👍.

17 Apr 2024 00:39:27
£65-70m and sell easy.

17 Apr 2024 06:42:41
You can’t go from playing the best football of your career at Liverpool some months ago to being on the scrap heap in the same season 😂. Come on!

My record would be anything by Van the man Morrison 😜.

17 Apr 2024 06:50:47
3-4 bad games ( by his standards) including 2 goals and an assist and he need selling…wow…. he’s come back from a fairly significant injury and is fasting and now he’s a busted flush. C’mon guys, he’ll be back amongst the goals this week and we’ll be raving about him. I think he’ll go this summer, purely as a financial decision from the club, considering his contract length and age, but I am far from happy about it and next year I guarantee you all will be too. The old adage you don’t know what you had till it’s gone, applies. He is mercurial genius, the beating heart of the last 5 years and he is, quite literally irreplaceable.

17 Apr 2024 07:04:03
I ain't blind Viktor, but I don't do knee jerk either. I don't need to lash out at players because we lost.
We don't see him in training every day, and we don't have any background on whether he's nursing injuries along.
Now I don't claim to be a judge of a player, but I don't see a player who was purring a few months ago suddenly needing to be got rid of because of a few ropey performances.
And I like my high horse just fine thanks!

17 Apr 2024 09:18:49
I think the increasing number of people who think now is the right time to let Salah go is at least in part a reaction to recent form and performances. No doubt he has been poor, almost anonymous, and in my opinion he shouldn't start the next match (es) . It's probably also fair to see he is no longer the player he was in the years that most people would consider his peak; when he scored goals out of nothing - be it mazy dribbles into the box or hose bending shots into the far corner. He doesn't really do either any more.

That said, he has had brief dips in form throughout his Liverpool career and always emerged and he is still, by some way, our top scorer this season even though he missed a large chunk with AFCON and injuries. I think he has developed and evolved his game to still deliver the G/ A in a different way. 23 goals + 13 assists in all comps probably puts him up there with the best in the league. Would most clubs get rid of their top scorer (granted there are a number of penalties in those stats) .

Perhaps the combination of new manager/ new approach, Salah no longer being at his absolute peak and the fact that silly money might be on the table if a move to Saudi is still possible, will mean that, on balance, the time is right for a move.

17 Apr 2024 09:28:09
So replace Salah with a young, prime Salah, Vik?
If it was that easy we'd have done the same with Mane and Firminho, too.

16 Apr 2024 09:40:33
We need serious investment this summer in replacing salah. If the right player is available spend the money.

17 Apr 2024 13:57:51
Adeyemi from BVB's worth a shout.

17 Apr 2024 22:24:19
This is said every single season without fail about Salah when he doesn’t score for a game or two and it’s proven wrong every single time.