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24 May 2018 18:45:56
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24 May 2018 18:45:56
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24 May 2018 18:45:56
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24 May 2018 18:31:05
Been some great posts on here in the last few hours- Lifelongred and Zed 👍🏻.

We may be underdogs on Sat but that's not necessarily backed up by CL form and logic.

I hope Klopp has taken the pressure off our inexperienced squad this past week but stressed that they have earned their place in the final and have every right to feel they belong on this stage.

The only obligation they should feel is to make their families and the fans proud by giving this Real Madrid team the game of their lives.

Reputations count for nought at kickoff. Go and do yourselves proud boys.

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24 May 2018 17:47:07
Been reading and listening to so called experts and pundits saying we have no chance, listened to that bloke from real Madrid saying none if our team would make their starting 11. Don't get me wrong I'm glad we are the under dogs, I'm not saying we have better players than them, but I'm surprised these comments from Spain and the experts are making it so one sided.
I'm not a fan if most stats but I'm a fan of stats that are important, most of the comments are in regards to 2 players Ronaldo and Salah. Both amazing players, both important to each team.
But it's not about 2 players it's about 22 on the pitch.

Real Madrid are set up to feed Ronaldo and his ego, he has 15 goals and 2 assists this year champions league. Benzema has 4 goals, bale has 1. They don't have 1 player in the top 5 places for assists.

Liverpool are set up as a team to feed the team to score, not one player like real Madrid.
Salah has 10 goals 4 assists, firmino 10 goals 8 assists and mane 9 goals 2 assists and let's not forget all Time champions league assists in one campaign leader James Milner with 9 assists.

So Liverpool the underdog, the team with players not good enough for real Madrid have 3 players in the top 5 goal scorers and the top 2 in the assists.

On Saturday these stats won't matter, but what they show will make a huge difference, they prove we have a team that when they play well they play as a unit, they fight for the team, they attack as a team and defend as a team. We have as good a chance of lifting that trophy as real Madrid do, and if they go into the game thinking our players aren't good enough for them, or if they think. by stopping Salah it will stop Liverpool they're going to be in a big shock.

Can not wait for saturday.

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24 May 2018 18:29:42
Just want to point out that 4 of Ronaldo's 15 goals were penalties. Without penalties, he would be just ahead of Salah's and Firmino's 10 and Mane's 9 (none of them took a penalty) .

It's not as if he is far more clinical or doing way better than our front 3.

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24 May 2018 17:35:53
Just read somewhere that a 1,000 Liverpool fans with confirmed flight tickets from Liverpool to Kiev, have had their flights cancelled, by the airline. And this, 2 days before the final with no alternative being offered aside from the "really sorry, but we're giving you back your money, aren't we? " cop out.

People must be livid with anger, and I really empathize with them. That airline can and should be taken to task for this, but ultimately it's the aviation authorities' rules and regulations which allow an airline to take customers' money first and then figure out the minor details of landing rights, slots and aircraft sizes later. Really scandalous.

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24 May 2018 18:09:35
Yes, terrible mate, it shouldn't ever happen, especially this close to such a huge event.

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{Ed025's Note - some have paid over £1,000 for a ticket i hope the airline will be refunding them for that and the time they have took off work as well, its a bloody disgrace..

24 May 2018 18:18:08
Vitali klitchco has sorted it all out.

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{Ed025's Note - great news walter, joe anderson has sorted it then by the looks of it so...well done chippy tits.. :)

24 May 2018 16:59:14
I wanted to bring a bit of science into the "Liverpool have a dodgy defence" debate, so had a look at the goalkeeping stats on the EPL website and did some analysis (sorry Ed001, its statistics again! ) .

We have the second fewest Shots on Goal (106, behind City on 85) and the second fewest overall shots against (281, again behind City on 234).

We also have the joint second most Clean Sheets (17, tied with City and behind United on 19).

Different to our main top 6 rivals, we have a 50:50 split between 2 keepers in terms of games played, therefore we don't get any keepers into the top 5 clean sheets by keeper - Karius is joint 7th with 10 clean sheets from his 19 games.

Looking at Goals Conceded vs Shots on Goal, Mignolet is one of the worst keepers in the league this season - he conceded from 39.3% of the shots on goal he faced. To give context, the only keepers (who have played 5 or more games) who have a worse percentage are:

Joe Hart (19 games) - 41.9% of Shots on Goal resulted in a goal
Orestis Karnezis (14 games) - 42.9%

Karius's equivalent is 31.1%, which places him roughly in the middle of the 27 keepers who have played in 5 or more games. However, the ones with better ratios than him are mainly around the 28-30% mark. Exceptions being De Gea (unsurprisingly! ) at 19.4% and Pope at 23.3%. As an aside, Butland is at 29.8%.

The points I'm trying to make here are:

1) despite the perception of our shaky defence, that hasn't translated to shots on goal or even goal scoring opportunities (2nd best behind City in both) .

2) Karius, whilst not the best, has been performing, certainly in terms of shot stopping, on a par with most Premier League shot stoppers.

3) Mignolet hasn't!

4) The difference that an exceptional shot stopper can make is evident at both Burnley and Man Utd. I would hazard a guess that they are worth 2-3 places a season if not more.

I still think Karius deserves one more season to see if he can get into the De Gea/ Pope league, and I can now back that up with stats rather than just a gut feel.

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24 May 2018 16:38:16
Might aswell have a go at a firminho song for a laugh. how about this to Don't look back in anger - Oasis

Ohhh bobby is great
Look at his work rate as he dribbles on by
His smiles as white as a plate
Our Brazilian striker defenders hate.

Haha, enjoy your day guys.

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24 May 2018 16:14:24
Wow I find it shocking some of the flights to Kiev have been cancelled, that's poor. Gutted for our fans, apparently around a thousand fans to be affected by it!

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24 May 2018 15:45:45
I just watched the '05 final again in full as a warm up to the weekend and it's amazing to see the contrast from the 1st to the 2nd half. AC Milan were imperious in the first half but the mood In the second was completely different, right from the start.

The first thing that struck me was YNWA ringing around the stadium before the second half kicked off. not half hearted, but full of pride and belief despite being three nil down. You could sense the mood shift, and you could see it in the Liverpool players immediately. Right from the whistle you could see them respond to every roar as they surged forward, and the nervousness of the Milan players was immediately visible. What was going on? Did they really think they had a chance? The first seeds of doubt were sown, and I bet none of that would have happened if the fans had slinked off at half time.

By the time Stevie scored his goal, which seemed almost inevitable looking at it now, and as he waved on the crowd as he ran back to halfway, the fear in the Milan players was palpable. They knew. A brilliant moment summed it up on the 57th minute after Smicers goal, where you can see Ancelotti looking on shell shocked from the sideline, then the camera pans across on the Liverpool supporters in the background, going nuts. The third goal was inevitable in their minds. No nervousness or fear, just pure energy and belief, driving their side on relentlessly.

The point i guess I'm making, is when you look at those teams on paper, that game should never have happened. That was one of the greatest and most experienced AC Milan sides I've ever seen. But this isn't simply a game of 11 on 11.it never has been. The Liverpool players began to believe in themselves, because we the fans believed in them. AC Milan learnt to fear, because we believed it wasn't over. The fans were a huge part of the story that night.

People can talk all they like about Real Madrid's experience, and how our players haven't experienced a final before. but we have lads. We've been there and seen Liverpool do it. We are the experience in the club and we've seen and heard it all before. If we roar on every attack just like the fans did in 2005, the players experience won't matter. Our lads will believe in themselves, their lads will fear us, and we will drown them in the maelstrom that will follow.

We are Liverpool, and for all those who will represent us in the stadium this weekend, do us proud. Roar on the reds and never stop believing, its our job to go help them bring home the cup.

YNWA.

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24 May 2018 15:55:00
I bet the players watch that game as prep for the final.
I bet most of the fans as well actually.
Our fans in Kiev will be so numerous and loud it will feel like a home game.

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24 May 2018 16:22:46
I have the road to Istanbul on DVD and you can bet I am watching it Friday night 😂.

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24 May 2018 16:22:49
Liverpool really just have something special about them as a team the supporters, different to any other. That final was the best game i have ever seen!

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24 May 2018 18:24:11
I sure most of the players don't even like the song and hearing that song 100s of times a season must get on their nerves.
Now if the fans are chanting the names of players I can see that giving them a slight boost.

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24 May 2018 13:53:59
Fantastic interview with Michael Beale titled "The Mastermind of Youth Coaching ' Tifo Football Podcast" available on youtube. Some great insights into youth coaching as well as coaching in general. The channel itself, 'Tifo football' also have some great videos analysing tactics. Can't recommend them highly enough.

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24 May 2018 12:42:27
Hi Ed002 if you are around could you let me know whether you think the extension of the sponsorship deal with Standard Chartered for 4 years at £160 million is good business for LFC?

Is it about the going rate or are we still way off the mark for a top four EPL side.

I know you have issues with some of our sponsors but it's difficult to get good financial and ethical deals in EPL.

Would like to get to the post next we're we put a charities name on our shirts but that probably won't happen unless some philanthropist buys the club.

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{Ed002's Note - it is a good deal. Behind a couple if clubs but ahead of many.}

24 May 2018 14:39:25
Most things worth doing are difficult. That's why doing them makes you stand out - because if they were easy, everyone would do them.

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24 May 2018 17:15:49
They get their accounts done free too as a bonus.

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24 May 2018 13:07:39
Afternoon Reds,

Seems like we're in for a beating on Sat night according to most of the experts.

I'm OK with that. Not much has been expected of us throughout this CL campaign and it's served us well so far. We seem to like being the underdog.

With regard to Vincente Del Bosque saying this week not a single LFC player would make the RM 1st 11 - that may or may not be true - but I'm surprised at the simplicity of the statement coming from such a well experienced football man. Agreed, our midfield 3 looks a little unfashionable compared to Modric, Kroos and Casemeiro BUT our 3 are there to do a specific and simple job. If they can close down the RM midfield quickly, not give them a moments peace and then release the ball early we have a good fighting chance of a result. A lot rests on that midfield contest for me.

And credit now to Klopp. As Del Bosque will know, a good coach maximises and plays to the strengths of the squad at his disposal. Additionally, every player needs to be sure of their role and exactly what is expected of them. Add to that an inbred willingness by the manager for every player to give everything for his team-mates you have a proper TEAM. That's what Klopp has achieved this year - and if we play as well as we all know we can then Real and all the 'experts' could be in for a shock.

So good luck to the boys on Saturday but most of all I hope they give a good, honest account of themselves.

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24 May 2018 13:30:58
does anyone remember what the "experts" were saying in 2005?

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24 May 2018 14:05:15
Nobody is giving us a chance mate, not just the pundits!

Apparently our team is awful apart from Salah. All I can say to that, is Klopp must be the best manager in football history if that is the case!

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24 May 2018 14:11:17
Pompeyred

I can’t agree with you more there. Del Bosque also said we were psychologically weak, which again I found to be nothing but a throw away comment and disappointing coming from somebody who has achieved so much in the game. Both comments seem to be indicative of somebody, looking a little nervously over there shoulders of what is coming down the road.


I read a few extracts from Jerzy Dudeks book yesterday about Ronaldo.

He went onto say that Ronaldo‘s mind set is that he sees himself as the only superstar on the planet, and that the other 10 players on the pitch in Real Madrid shirts are only employed there to assist him achieve greatness, like his little minions (the minion analogy is mine, not Dudeks)

Real Madrid are Ronaldo plus 10 others where as you say we are a TEAM fighting for one another

As great a player as he is, he can also be a weakness with his selfishness and individual obsession. I’ve seen him stamp his feet and cross his arms when a team mate does not pass to him.

Personally I think Del Bosque will be crying into his Paella and Rioja come 10pm Saturday night (uk time)

Also, I’d like to say good luck to all the supporters who are getting over to Kiev for the final. great effort, stay safe and sing Ol big ears back to where it belongs

walk on

Allez allez allez.

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24 May 2018 17:25:09
As disliked as he may be by most Liverpool fans, say what you like about Ronaldo, he is one hell of a player and more. Hopefully he has an off day as he normally pops up on the left and will therefore be mainly Trent and Lovren's problem.

Hopefully Trent can have as good a game or better as he did against City.

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