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17 Oct 2017 10:57:38
who on here think we will blast spurs 6-0 maybe?

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17 Oct 2017 11:38:57
Ron Keague?

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17 Oct 2017 12:10:32
Nah I'm thinking 8-0.

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17 Oct 2017 12:11:50
Not me, OP. Ron? DEFO!

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17 Oct 2017 13:33:11
I'm going so I hope so! I'm usually pessimistic but I'm feeling optimistic for some reason. Give me a 3-1.

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17 Oct 2017 09:30:11
I know there has been lots of talk about signings and klopp and results etc but just wondering how important the signing of a genuine world class coach might be
Your saw under arsenal when Pat Rice left what happened and how important Ronnie Moran was to us back in the day
Pako with Benitez etc
I just think you can have all the world class players you want but if you don't have the right coaches to train them day in day out it won't make a difference.
Also players have to be intelligent enough to take the coaching on board and apply when needed in games but also think for themselves.
Imagine what a Silvino Louro could do for our goalkeepers, I just wonder if their is anyone on that bench with the balls to tell klopp "this is not working because of this reason so try this" when the going gets tough.

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17 Oct 2017 09:42:36
Steve Clarke and Kenny made a solid pair as well! Clarke made us look really solid at the back! Pako and Rafa were a genuine case. We have been crying out for a GK coach from 3 good years now! I don’t think Klopp would make any changes there.

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17 Oct 2017 10:09:33
Seeing Schmichael on Monday night football really demonstrated how a good goal keeper coach could make a massive difference to keepers, especially young keepers. I am not saying we get him in, but we need a very good coach for the keepers.

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{Ed001's Note - in what way? Kasper was awful on Monday night and he still gets lots of tips from his dad, so not sure Peter would be the best choice of coach, if you are suggesting him!}

17 Oct 2017 12:12:47
Never rated Schmeichel jnr.

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17 Oct 2017 08:08:19
Morning.
I was wondering, would it be possible for the fans of LFC to make a donation pot and raise x amount of millions and give it to the club for use to a transfer?
Not saying it would ever happen. Just wondering if it could.

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17 Oct 2017 09:30:07
There is no shortage of money. £50 mill for Kieta, £40 mill for AOC. £40 mill for Salah. Turned down a potential £100 mill for Coutinho! You could thank Sky for pumping abundance of cash into the game!

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17 Oct 2017 09:47:11
It wasn’t a suggestion it was more of a query as to wethere there was restrictions.
I know there is money to spend with the £70m for VVD still available.

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17 Oct 2017 09:49:50
OP. money is not and will NEVER be the issue as we have the money to buy who we think will help the team We were prepared to pay 150m for both Keita and VVD in the summer YET you want us to make a donation for transfers? Keep your money cos the club does not need it, clearly.

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17 Oct 2017 09:50:41
I couldn't think of anything more embarrassing for the club or as a fan than the fans directly raising money for transfers.

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17 Oct 2017 10:11:56
It happens every week when we shell out a ridiculous amount for a ticket! 😡
If the club was being run responsibly then you could have a conversation, but at the moment, my perception is we are not being run responsibly.

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17 Oct 2017 10:12:33
Your missing op point he's not asking to raise £££ just if it's possible to raise £££ by the fans to purchase a player.

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17 Oct 2017 10:16:47
If we was going to raise money, it'd be for either charities or to the eds for running the websites, which is something id love to see, but to the club, nah, they get enough money from us from ticket sales alone never mind everything else.

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17 Oct 2017 11:14:35
I don’t think it’s allowed, I’m sure I it read on here years ago about someone wanting to put a few million in to buy a player but it wasn’t allowed, sure it was in rafas time.

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17 Oct 2017 01:25:51
Love the idea of the charity set up, I will donate Friday! It'd be good for more stuff like this, especially at this time of the year what with Christmas and all, but really to me, any time of the year. It's nice to be nice!

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16 Oct 2017 22:51:23
When's the next intergalactic post?

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{Ed002's Note - Final one will be tomorrow if I get time.}

16 Oct 2017 22:49:33
I know fans are saying we are currently going through a bad patch this season but I think it goes back further than that. I may be wrong with my maths but I have just checked back and in 2017 we have played 27 league games. Won 12, drawn 10 and lost 5. That's not including the cup defeat to wolves and 2 league cup defeats to saints. So that makes it 8 losses in 30. This isn't me trying to be negative but the only stat that counts is a result and it's all here for everyone to see.

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17 Oct 2017 05:45:49
Love how I have 4 thumbs down but not a single argument against the post. This is not me calling for Klopps head as I like the bloke, I believe we will again compete for 4th at best, we again will not come close to a title challenge, our defence and keeper will continue to leak goals and the midfield will always play safe. Our saving grace is our front 3 and Coutinho when they are on form. Fans say we will improve and I am merely suggesting that this up and down form of ours goeas beyond just our 13 games so far this season.

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17 Oct 2017 05:50:41
Also I see how fans are quick to mention how after our 0-0 draw we are now only 2 points behind 4th place. But no one has mentioned how we are 2 points further away from Spurs and City. When did we as LFC fans start to settle for 2nd best (or in our case 4th best) .

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{Ed001's Note - it is not about settling though is it? It is about giving it time to make steps forward, rather than expecting one huge leap forward immediately.

By the way, you say our form has been poor for a while, but we kept 5 clean sheets in our last six and won 4 of those. Not sure when 4 wins and a draw from six games became poor form?}

17 Oct 2017 06:16:19
We are currently sitting on 8th and by Sunday evening we could sit on 10th or 11th. I guess that also would be considered as positivity! We can't beat the ninnod coz they sit deep! We also can’t beat the biggies coz we waste our chances! Draws won’t be enough to secure 4th place and anything else is unacceptable!

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{Ed001's Note - ninnod? Isn't that a Malayalam word? If so what does it mean?}

17 Oct 2017 06:22:01
Forgive me if I'm wrong but our last 6 games have included a draw with United, draw with Newcastle, draw with Spartak, draw with Seville, win to Leicester, loss to Leicester in the cup, think a draw with Burnley and a loss to man city.
Very few clean sheets in there and terrible form.

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{Ed001's Note - I was referring to last season, as he was talking about how our form had lasted longer than this season. Apologies I should have pointed that out.}

17 Oct 2017 06:52:08
Ed001 I see what your saying mate and if we could maintain that form over 38 games then we would be challenging for titles, However on the 7th game we conceded 3 against Watford and have continued to dip in form this season. We do not seem to have fixed last season (s) problems. Out of our back 5 we have replaced the right back (due to injury? ) and have changed the problem at left back with the previous 2 seasons left back problem. Our midfield 3 although have goood and bad games seem to be first choice regardless and Firminho although a top player is not a top finisher. Yes we scored lots of goals last season in a number of games we also missed bundles of chances in every game which has rolled into this season. 100% agree with step forwards and giving it time but for me the only improvement we made in the summer was we added more pace in Salah to the front 3. And have ignored the major one of back 4 and keeper. Just my thoughts though Ed001. Interested to hear yours.

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{Ed001's Note - how have we ignored the major one when we signed a left back, changed the right back and spent all summer chasing a centre back?? That is nonsense. We haven't solved the major one, clearly, but not because it was ignored, but because we couldn't get the right players.

The big issue is the keeper one though, I have no idea why Klopp keeps messing this about. Every man and his dog knows he wants rid of Mignolet. Every man and his dog knows Mignolet is nowhere near good enough. So drop him ffs!!!!

By the way, the arrival of Salah was extremely important as our record last season when Mane was out was appalling. That was the biggest issue of all that had to be addressed statistically speaking, which is what the club based its thinking on. Though you know what I think of stats being used on their own, I can understand why that was dealt with first.}

17 Oct 2017 06:32:05
OOopsss. My bad. Yea! I got many friends here as well! Typo error mate. It means “ To you “ I guess you see many in Dubai and Middle East! Don’t uou? I know a few words 😆😆😆!

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17 Oct 2017 07:06:27
I love the way some have already written off the Spuds match! I for one think we're going to win a tight game against them.
Pre-Christmas is all about staying in touch with the leaders. We're a bit behind at the moment but City will slip up soon. We've played Arsenal, Man Utd and Man City already. We're on the brink of a good run IMO. 👍.

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17 Oct 2017 07:37:16
Agree Ron people should not be writing the Spurs match off but again on the other hand people seem quick enough to write City off and the other teams saying they will slip up soon. There is no guarantee we will improve. In fact things could even get worse or stay the same where we are very much up and down, performance and result wise.

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17 Oct 2017 07:35:15
Yes we did sign a left back in the summer mate but he cannot get into the match day squad let alone the team at the current moment. Agree Every man and his dog can see Mignolet needs to be dropped but with the exception of Klopp. We didn't get our centre back target and people always ask to name other centre backs who we could have signed. Well put it this way if I was paid 7 mill a year and I wasn't working 6-1800 every day for 5 days a week then I would certainly come up with more than 1 target. Salah is a terrific signing Ed and I think he will turn out to be a top player for us.

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{Ed001's Note - he can't get into the team because he was the wrong signing, but that should warn people of the dangers of just signing for the sake of signing. You say you could come up with more than 1 target for centre back but there are not a lot out there. Every club is in the same situation of needing one, Man Utd spent fairly big on one who is in the same situation as Robertson, for instance. City failed to get one. Only Chelsea managed to sign one in Rudiger and again he can't get in their first choice team.

My worry is the recruitment overall, our scouts seem unable to find any players who are actually good defensively. I wonder if there is an over reliance on stats to identify a role that is particularly difficult to identify that way. If they are watching these players and still think VVD and Robertson were the right players to sign, despite neither being of much use at all defensively, then there is a serious problem there!}

17 Oct 2017 08:27:00
Ed, all your response have been spot on. If Robbo can't get into the team then that is not Klopp's fault if he can't beat out Moreno, is it? Also, the scouting is also a big problem esp. regarding CB's. People talk about there being at least one CB out there we could sign and Ed has alluded to how other big clubs who either wanted to sign stop gaps or did sign them and cannot get into their first 11's. This shows a chronic problem either in scouting or recruitment which may be infesting teams as a whole. Are they just using other criteria (pass accuracy, good on the ball, can pass out the back, can bring the ball out etc) to rate CB's now (which is pathetic) or are they simply not doing their jobs? A bit of both in my view.

As for the form, one man's critic is another man's optimism. There is nothing poor about losing 5 measly league games in 25 or 26 games. Nothing at all. Last season, Utd went on a 25 game unbeaten streak and 15 of them were draws. Where did that get them? Oh that's right, 6th in the PL and comfortably behind us who to Jayden, have been in poor form since late last season yet we finished ahead of them. Stats are meaningless. End of story.

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17 Oct 2017 08:42:44
Bingo i don't care about Utd mate and how many draws they had. They have no reflection on our results or performances. But since you brought them into it Didn't Utd win 2 trophies and automatically qualify for CL group stage ( and something like 18 trophies in last 7 years compared to our 1) But I suppose finishing 4th trophyless is the new 1st for LFC.

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17 Oct 2017 08:59:08
UTD are doing decent in CL and league this season and they have a realistic chance to win league cup and FA cup at a minimum. While we are dumped out form League cup. CL won’t be happening and with the rate we are drawing games League is becoming another “ Next year is our year “ FA Cup is the only realistic trophy we could aim for!

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{Ed001's Note - so we are in the position United were in before they spent 200m to change it then? A season away from challenging?}

17 Oct 2017 09:06:48
Haha good reply Ed. Unfortunately mate we have been a season away from challenging for 25 of the last 27 years.

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{Ed001's Note - I know mate, I did very much have my tongue firmly in my cheek there!}

17 Oct 2017 09:34:12
BINGO
In simple terms, Klopp’s only fault is buying Robertson who he don’t rate one bit!

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17 Oct 2017 09:52:22
Stop yelling, Harry. How do you know Klopp does not rate Robbo? Did he tell you that or did you make that up like all the other crap you made up like you saying Moreno was not sold to Napoli os Klopps likes him whereas that was not true?

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17 Oct 2017 09:58:41
Jayden, you don't care about other teams YET you bring them up as well. What Utd won is of no significance to me cos like it or not, they were poor in the league and finished behind us comfortably after spending double what we spent in the TW. Fact. They did win two trophies, the same ones they slated us for winning under Houllier and even Mou called the trophies, second or third rate and would be embarrassed to win them YET here we are. I know, his hypocrisy should be ignored BUT it's still funny.

As for trophies, it depends. Would you take an FA Cup over a CL place? I would not esp. in our position cos CL footie is way important in our position cos we are rebuilding under Klopp. Ideally, I'll take both a Cup and a CL place BUT that may or may not happen. The PL is our bread and butter and we stick to that first while chasing other trophies like (maybe the CL) and the FA Cup. Arsenal won the FA Cup BUT believe me, Wenger would swap it for the CL any day.

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17 Oct 2017 10:08:20
Read above Bingo. Ed01’s reply. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️. How could you miss his replies mate 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️.

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17 Oct 2017 10:20:39
Bingo it was you who mentioned Utd mate. My initial post was my concerns for our up and down form in 2017. I agree the Fa and league cup hold less value these days than top 4. The Europa now has the carrot of CL qualification for the winners. If we were getting top 4 every season and not winning trophies then I would see your point. Unfortunately we have been doing neither.

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17 Oct 2017 12:26:18
Fair enough, Jayden. I used United's unbeaten streak to make a bigger point on how unbeaten streaks can be a misnomer for how a team will do or not do. That part is valid, IMO.

As for your response, That is what Klopp is trying to change as he said so immediately after we smashed Boro and got a shot at CL footie. We need to establish ourselves first as a regular in the CL while at the same time, trying to win trophies cos you can always walk and chew gum at the same time.

We were nowhere near getting to a final under BR yet Klopp did that twice (including a European final) in the first 8 months. We may not have won and that is disappointing BUT That to me, gives hope that we can be in a position to win trophies.

N btw, not saying that you are saying this specifically BUT us not winning anything predates Klopp (Rafa won nothing in his final 4 seasons and BR won nothing in his whole 3 plus years here) so let us not act as if we stopped winning things as soon as he arrived as that is not true. We have also made top 4 only once since '09 before Klopp arrived so that is not his fault either. We are rebuilding right now and it will be a roller coaster ride with bumps in the road so to me, we have to stick with the team and hope they can come out of this sticky patch. Enjoyed the debate, Jayden. Keep them coming, my friend. YNWA!

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16 Oct 2017 20:49:22
Ed001 don't know if you are going to do a review on non-LFC managers but if so then Alec Stock might be one to look at.

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{Ed001's Note - I am going to gradually get through all the professional teams I can mate.}

16 Oct 2017 19:48:35
Didn't Napoli make an offer for Moreno in the summer? Why didn't we swap deal then.

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16 Oct 2017 22:11:41
Coz Klopp likes Moreno Now! Isn’t that very difficult to swallow mate?

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16 Oct 2017 22:05:36
We wanted 15m and hey offered 12m or so. A swap with Napoli's LB Ghoulam was also proposed but that went dead as well.

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16 Oct 2017 19:46:56
Ed001 if I may request an article mate. I know you have tons on so whenever you have time mate. But if possible maybe one on Jean-Pierre Adams? I don't expect a massive one mate but it'd be good to know a little more about him if possible.

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{Ed001's Note - good idea, very interesting story that one.}

16 Oct 2017 19:56:33
Thanks mate, appreciated, another one to look forward to :)

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{Ed001's Note - great suggestion thanks.}

16 Oct 2017 20:46:29
Pretty sad story that one.

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16 Oct 2017 21:01:13
It is indeed Phil.

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17 Oct 2017 08:41:01
Oh my god. I didn't know that story at all until you mentioned him. That is so sad.

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16 Oct 2017 17:34:14
Hi eds 1
I was wondering if there had been a review after 10 game and I'd missed it.
We are now 13 games in and I would love to here your views on how you think we are doing and where you think we will finish.
As always thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - I haven't done anything like that at all. I will try and get the time to do a review of how we are getting on, but we might be a few more than 13 into the season!}

16 Oct 2017 18:46:33
I will do a quick review for you. 4/ 10 overall poor.

Defence that can't defend 3/ 10, although Moreno gets a 6/ 10.

Midfield 5/ 10 very limited and Gini has been shocking overall. He shouldn't get in the squad for away games.

Attack 4/ 10, Salah not bad 7/ 10 but needs far too many chances, Sturridge is done 1/ 10 and Firminho doesn't score enough, doesn't assist enough and he can't hold the ball up.

A change in formation is urgently needed, Mane when fit has to be centre forward.

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16 Oct 2017 21:15:26
4/ 10 yet we're 2 points off 4th, come off it, your speaking rubbish mate.

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16 Oct 2017 21:34:25
Why are we chasing 4th? We finished 4th last season and progress is to climb the ladder! We are sitting on 8th. Aren’t we? In fact we moved form 7th to 8th after outplaying UTD. We are not Arsenal!

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16 Oct 2017 21:34:49
We are supposed to be trying to win the league not being happy to finsh 4th.

If we continue playing at the level we are now we will finish around 6th. I would say that's 4/ 10 or lower. You should set your sights a lot higher.

Who is the team deserves more than a 6/ 10? one or two maximum

5/ 10 or worse
Matip
Lovren
Karius
Klavan
Gini
Henderson
Sturridge
Ox.

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16 Oct 2017 22:07:45
Harry I didn't say we are chasing 4th, of course we want to be higher, but in reality we won't be, not in my opinion. With this league it's a lot harder to do, you don;t seem to understand it mate do you.

We're 8 games in, we have 30 left a lot can change in that time, yet your already writing us off. All I see from you is posts slamming us down when we Haven't even done that bad, take Watford and Burnley out the mix, they won't be up there for long. Other 'top' teams will have bad periods and I fully believe we will have our good period, it happens every year to most teams, you can't be fantastic all season long, if you are then kudos but it's rare. Unless your in La Liga or Bundesliga, we're in the premier league, the most difficult league in the world.

Yes we are 8th, but I say it again, we're not far off top 4, top 4 will do me another season (and most people), what do you expect after such a transfer window? seriously? - I want improvements but that transfer window was a fail, we needed more, we didn't get it, it is what it is and we need to get on with it and support the team instead of slamming them constantly.

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16 Oct 2017 22:41:38
I'm a critic but,
Henderson still strikes me as not 100% but if that's true fair play he's soldiering on
Gini hasn't been THAT bad, his work goes unappreciated,
Can has been excellent at times and awful at others I think he's trying that much to impress he slips up from time to time but he's trying.
Salah isn't a goal scorer, he's not a striker so why complain? Mignolet doesn't score enough! But JOKES aside salah has been excellent.
The key issues have been the goal keeper and then the silly defensive errors but in reality, we've missed mane and Coutinho for most of the season, clyne and lallana we've not always been great but we've done okay considering the circumstances.

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16 Oct 2017 22:29:57
I'm sorry but I agree, we have won 3 out of 8 league games so far. Yes there is a long way to go and things could improve. But things could also stay the same or get worse. We can only judge on what we have seen so far and it's not been good enough.

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17 Oct 2017 04:49:11
With the squad we have, 4th is the highest we could ask for. It was obvious when the transfer window shut, and its obvious now.

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17 Oct 2017 06:14:21
“. With this league it's a lot harder to do, you don;t seem to understand it mate do you. ”

Do you think this will change next year? The reason we are in the trouble is due poor transfer window again you were fast to criticize posters who pointed out during the window!
You still clean we had an excellent window while you also claim 4th is the best we could look for this season!

On another note, What is Wijnaldum’s work that goes unnoticed? I would love to hear from anyone! Don’t say he is here to break the oppositions play! That’s utter crap then! When you play with 3 CM’s and you being the attacking one, what exactly is his role other than creating assists / goals / chances! He is a ghost who goes missing for a minimum 19 away games!

He is replaced by Kieta next summer already! If that doesn’t say anything then nothing will!

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17 Oct 2017 06:17:34
With this league it's a lot harder to do, you don;t seem to understand it mate do you.

When you know this league is hard you shouldn’t drop points against teams who are inferior to you!

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17 Oct 2017 07:31:21
Got to agree, the teams that succeed in this league understand you have to nail the weak teams and that every point really matters, it isn't Spain where you can pretty much predict the top 3 every season, any of 6 clubs could be in the top 3. So not turning up against the lower teams isn't good enough to be a consistent ECL team. People keep banging on about we beat Arsenal or Chelsea or the other big teams. Yes but we then go and lose/ draw the next half dozen against the weaker sides, while the team we beat will pick up 15-18 points against those sides. That is why we struggle for EPL. Personally I'd give up those big wins for consistent wins against the other teams, even just lots of 1-0s.

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