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18 Dec 2017 18:38:25
Would like to get peoples opinions on Gini Winjnaldum. He seems to look like a little kid who has lost confidence in terms of body language or maybe I am misreading it. Every game this season for the most part he looks void of ideas on the ball and will always pass back even when its clearly not the best option, which slows are attack. I understand playing a role when you keep things ticking over and play simple balls but 9/ 10 if you watch him he will pass back when a forward ball even a simple on is on. Chamberlain at the moment is ahead of him and should start against Arsenal but having said that I have probably jinxed it and Milner will start with Gini.

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{Ed025's Note - he has been very poor alonso, but he is making hendo look like a world beater so its not all bad mate.. :)

18 Dec 2017 18:53:31
Haha Ed25 you couldn't resist. Do you think its a case of where he is being deployed, the task he has been given, a dip in form or the fact he had a decent first season and he has regressed to his normal level or thereabouts.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont think hes as good as expected alonso, outstanding in a poor newcastle side but after his initial impact he has as you say regressed, the test is usually how many top six sides would he get a game for?...thats nil imo mate..

18 Dec 2017 19:10:41
Never rated him. Watched him last season seen nothing worth noting for him to be included in the side. This season again he's looked the same. Great work ethics but contributes little overall. Wijnaldim has great ability but he simply ghosts through games. I don't think he has a long term future with us.
We actually need reinforcements in midfield in the summer. Can looks like he's leaving, wijnaldim and lallana I think will be available at the right price and Henderson isn't improving. Keitas coming but I expect another midfielder to come in aswell.

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18 Dec 2017 19:31:14
I think u guys are being a bit unfair as Gini is being asked too play midfield roles that don't suit his attributes, he played at Newcastle an in Holland as an attacking midfielder, for us being asked too b more defensive an even played at the back, he is still important he is strong good technically an does a decent job.

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{Ed025's Note - some of you reds fans cant admit that a player you have is just not that good hailstones, lets be honest its not just ability wise where he is lacking but tactically as well, take off the old red tinted specs and you will see that he is really not all that mate..

18 Dec 2017 19:39:37
Ed25 he wouldn't get into any top six team so with you on that one. Big Al, we need two midfielders IMO, with the names you mentioned potentially leaving. Gini literally let's the game past him by to the point where I think he literally could have been off the pitch and it would not of made a difference. The midfield reinforcements have to be quality and not squad fillers in the same quality bracket of Naby Keita if we want to have success,

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18 Dec 2017 19:40:12
Second season now, he's going backwards. Shame because I had high hopes for him. I don't think he really knows his role in the team.

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{Ed025's Note - unused sub ron?..

18 Dec 2017 19:43:00
I'm with you on this one Ed25, he isn't good enough for us, not remotely close to good enough. I expect to see him benched once Keita comes in.

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{Ed025's Note - me too salah mate..

18 Dec 2017 18:02:55
A question for Ed1 if I may.

We have been linked with David Silva quite a lot the past couple of months, I don't see us getting him at all, there's always daft transfer rumours at this time of the year and I believe this is one of them but, would you be happy if we signed him? (if of course there was a chance) I know you highly rate him as do I.

The reason why I am asking is some may say his age now is against him? personally I don't think it is, I think he's still got another 3-4 years left in him. At 31 he's showing no signs of slowing down, he has everything imo still.

Every single time I watch him he never fails to impress me, if these rumours are true I'd love to see it happen, he's possibly one of the best midfielders in the league. I'm not saying he is THE best but imagine him with our lads, I think that's all we'll be able to do is imagine but its a nice thought, was just wondering what your (Ed1) and other peoples thoughts was on this.

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{Ed001's Note - pace has never been part of his game, so age is not an issue. He would provide the experienced head we miss and the ability he has is insane. He would be a magnificent signing. I would love to see him play for us.}

18 Dec 2017 18:14:56
Me too mate, thanks for your opinion!

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{Ed001's Note - not getting him and Villa is probably the worst thing Prick Parry did for us.}

18 Dec 2017 18:19:51
Ed1 don't tease me now. I would love us to sign him but would he come to Liverpool and would City let him go, I just can't see it.

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18 Dec 2017 18:30:40
Klopp adores Silva. He would sign him tmrw if available, IMO.

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18 Dec 2017 19:16:07
Didn't we miss out on Ronaldo and aquero aswell? It's amusing because it's heartbreaking on the players we missed out on that realistically could have been ours.

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{Ed025's Note - that ilk of player seems to go to the sides who are looking to win things Al.. :)

18 Dec 2017 19:28:02
If we are adding to the list dani Alves recently interviewed about how close he was to joining Liverpool.

And same with Sergio Ramos when he was at Sevilla.


Hindsight is a funny old thing!

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18 Dec 2017 15:33:08
posted few weeks ago that roberston should be first choice left back. reaction was more or less i was talking nonsense, anyone change their minds now?

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18 Dec 2017 15:39:12
IMO he hasn't done enough to take his place back from Robertson. He seems much improved and if he keeps up the hard work in training he will earn his place however I feel Moreno's pace gives us extra attacking threat.

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18 Dec 2017 15:40:06
No. But he COULD be first choice if he keeps learning.

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18 Dec 2017 15:40:10
No, Moreno should atill be first choice. Robertson is decent at the moment and I would like to see more of him but not ahead of a fully fit Moreno.

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18 Dec 2017 15:52:52
whilst i am appreciate he is showing his quality now that he has got a run of games and hopefully will continue improving and keep our LB position in a good way.

I still believe that Moreno should still be our first choice left back.

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18 Dec 2017 16:07:19
Its one game mate, and he didn't have a blinder did he he did what was expected of him, calm down a bit.

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18 Dec 2017 16:17:07
One good game against a team we dominated. I think you should wait until he has a run of consistently good games before you say " I told you so "

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18 Dec 2017 16:18:54
I agreed with you then. He's a better defender.

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18 Dec 2017 16:35:28
To be frank, no, He desperately needs to work on crossing, he just seems to hit aimlessly and he seems to eager to bomb forward in my opinion.

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18 Dec 2017 16:41:49
Moreno still offers more quality in the final third. I think that is more important to us than Robertson being marginally better defensively, especially with how much we rely on our wing backs to provide the width.

Robertson needs to improve his balls into the box significantly before he'll get my vote. He was good against Bournemouth though to be fair. He just needs to maintain that level against Arsenal on Friday. It'll be much harder to cope against Bellerin though. He has so much license to get forward in Arsenal's system. It is a game which could make or break Robbo to be honest.

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{Ed025's Note - i have to disagree MK, i like my defenders priority to be solid in defence first and if they can add a bit of an attacking threat then thats fine mate..

18 Dec 2017 16:59:40
I think overall, Robertson has the potential to be an all round better full back than Moreno. Moreno has improved no doubt and I'm happy with him there currently but I don't feel he has as much potential to improve as Robertson has. I may be wrong though.

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18 Dec 2017 17:00:15
This is Robbos chance to break into the team, morenos not exactly that far ahead of him ability wise if at all, so he needs to put in some proper performances to keep the spot.

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18 Dec 2017 17:32:34
Prettty sure against Palace everyone was on here raving about his delivery into the box, he put some absolute corckers in that day so he obviously does have that ability, he needs to find consistency that’s for sure, presumably that’s more likely to happen if he played more? I think he deserves a decent shot at nailing down that position. Moreno has improved but it still doesn’t mean he’s good enough.

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18 Dec 2017 18:27:59
triangle, i have watched him in many games not only a few games other than first team and indeed replays of scotland games and suggest you are judging his crossings from one game, i assure you his crossing is certainly not aimless, and defensive capability, well .

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18 Dec 2017 18:33:51
Robbo had a good game vs B'mouth and should be praised for it. Let's leave it at that instead of saying he is/ could be better than Moreno. Moreno is the better attacking full back with better end product. Defensively, he has some more work to do. Robbo has to d a whole lot more to dislodge him and show he is better. We shall see.

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18 Dec 2017 18:43:29
Moreno has to prove that he is better and more consistent than the worse version of himself over the past few seasons. Robbo just needs to not make a few mistakes to get fans favor.

Objectively, and besides vs Seville, Moreno has done very little wrong and Robbo has barely done anything better than Moreno other than to not make any brain explosions so far.

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18 Dec 2017 18:15:49
Robbos the better defender and adds something going forward the right balance for me.

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18 Dec 2017 19:34:57
Robertson was excellent yesterday non stop all game defending well joining the attack pressing we have another decent left back who can get better.

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18 Dec 2017 19:37:01
I keep reading about how Moron-o offers so much going forward. Can anyone tell me when his last assist or goal was?

When was the last time he produced a key pass?
Some talk about him like he’s a Cafu / Roberto Carlos type. Hell, even a less “sexy name” like Denis Irwin was far, far better going forward!

He’s quick, yes. What else does he offer?
And that reverse tackle with his left foot from the right side justifies my nickname for him. How many fouls has he conceded making that challenge? Carol Vorderman would struggle with the maths on that!

I’m not saying Robertson is the answer, as he needs a lot more games to be judged, but Moron-o has had 3 seasons to prove he’s not what is required if we wish to challenge for the top 4 on a regular basis, let alone the title.

As Ed25 said (in relation to players getting into a rival’s team) which of the other “big six” teams does he get in to?

Would he replace Baines or Bertrand either? If the answer’s no, then we have a mid-table (at best) left back!

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18 Dec 2017 20:08:55
Correct me if im wrong but doesn't moreno have like three assists in the CL alone. Plus stats ain't the way to show someone is having an effect on the game Jim bonda. Right now Moreno offers more going forward than Robertson. Now is the chance for robertson to prove himself whilst Moreno is out injured.

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18 Dec 2017 14:10:36
Yes Ed! Hendo had a great game. He makes such a difference to the team. As Ed said, he keeps the ball ticking along at a good pace trying to play the ball forward when he can and keeping it moving when he can't. He stretches teams back, forward and side to side. For the Hendo haters, I think you'll find players who want to play the ball forward constantly are Sunday league, overweight, pro footballer wannabes. Yes we've all seen them down your local park. Maybe you've been one yourself in your career. We love you captain fantastic!

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18 Dec 2017 17:09:29
Are all the thumb downs Sunday league footballers. 🤔.

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18 Dec 2017 17:57:53
I would imagine the thumbs down are because you are trolling people.
What you're saying is your opinion, if people don't share it whether it be right or wrong doesn't mean other people are clueless, just that they don't agree with you.
In my opinion.

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18 Dec 2017 18:12:58
Okay so in some people's opinion all Henderson does is pass sideways or back. Now that is just blatant lies. That's not an opinion that's idiotic. So I'm still thinking it's wannabes.

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18 Dec 2017 19:18:59
Farmer, I agree with you in principle BUT the Sunday league stuff is OTT, IMO. Now If all Hendo does is sideways passing then why is Wiji not getting the beating he deserves then cos he plays more sideways and backward passes than Hendo does?

Also if sideways passing was the yardstick for measuring a players ability then Pep would have been deemed a useless player as he played sideways passes for most of his career at Barca. In fact, he got criticized for slowing the game down whenever the ball got to him.

But you know, let's use this pathetic excuse of a red herring to slate him cos it seems some are just interested in parroting what the other guy said w/ o any research.

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18 Dec 2017 12:45:07
Credit where credit is due, in nine league games since Tottenham we have only conceded two ghost penalties (Everton and Brighton), one attempted cross (Chelsea) and one genuine goal (Lanzini) .

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18 Dec 2017 13:38:19
When you put it like that! Wish the media would wise up and credit Klopp.

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18 Dec 2017 14:24:05
The defending has improved from defending set plays which people were very critical of last season and the beginning of this one. Seems to go unnoticed how well we've dealt with them recently.

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18 Dec 2017 14:42:33
Who cares what the media thinks. As long as Klopp is learning from his mistakes then that’s fine with me.
I think all this rotation recently is so we don’t suffer catastrophic loss of fitness/ form like last Xmas.
I think we focus too closely on individual games and even individual players far too often, got to look at the season as a whole, the goal in the league this season is surely to try and get top 4 again to cement that position and I think we are reasonably well set to achieve that.
The only mistake I think Klopp is making is playing Migs over karius but I can see the reasoning behind it in that he wants to ease in karius gently so the “fans” don’t give him grief again.

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18 Dec 2017 19:25:18
Spot on, Mikey. Klopp referred to the very issue you speak of in his post game comments last night that people get too hung up on individual games and players and lineups. There is NO picture approach to football anymore.

Klopp said that him rotating does not mean we win all our games as Everton and WBA games have shown. He said that those who don't play this game, train and are much more sharper and ready to play the next game than those who played in this game. This is simple logic BUT the media and those who take their crap as gospel truth cannot/ won't separate the two as they always seem to have a gripe.

Defensively, we have turned a corner and are much more solid w/ o compromising on who we are as a team which is, relentless and ALWAYS on the front foot. Massive credit to Klopp and the staff and players as they have risen from the near ashes of the Spurs debacle splendidly well. Hats off to Klopp and the boys!

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Bournemouth v Liverpool - A Liverpool Perspective

18 Dec 2017 12:27:11
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Bournemouth v Liverpool - A Liverpool Perspective

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18 Dec 2017 12:46:28
Great review ed and I completely agree about ox in the interview. An absolute touch of class to help coutinho in a sticky moment.

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18 Dec 2017 13:51:25
moving the ball that quickly just destroyed them, i wish we do this more often, it would help us far more in games where we are up against a team defending with 8 or 10 players.

the players we have upfront are very much capable of doing this. the unpredictability of just moving the ball quickly can take out multiple players at once.

great review ed001.

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18 Dec 2017 13:13:22
Great review Ed001 nice one.

I have a quick question about Eddie Howe (only as he was mentioned in the review, hope that's ok) .

Do you think he's suffering from domestic manager syndrome, where he is viewed in a more favourable light simply because he's not foreign?

It seems to be happening more and more where just because a manager is British they are held up as being hard done by when they get sacked or not supported when criticised.

I remember Howe being talked about as Wenger's replacement, Gary Rowett was the next Brian Clough and how Phil Brown, Ian Holloway, Tony Mowbray and David Moyes keep getting work is beyond me.

DO you think there's an issue with fans and the media thinking that managers are better than they are simply because they are British? And do you think owners are sometimes hesitant to get rid of British managers and replace them with overseas managers because they fear the backlash?

Cheers in advance.

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{Ed001's Note - very much so. People were even believing he did it on a shoestring because they never bothered to look into what actually happened. Their very own Abramovich bought the club and funded their rise. Howe was just lucky to be there at the right time to benefit.}

18 Dec 2017 13:32:29
Sorry Ed, have to disagree with you on firmino being up there with the best forwards in the league. To be on par with them he needs to add goals to his game, of which if he does he’ll be on the same level if not higher. I’m not saying he’s not a good player but let’s not get carried away with ourselves, as a forward he should be chipping in with more goals and that’s all he lacks. His skill set and his work ethic is great and I’m glad he plays for us.

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{Ed001's Note - oh good the usual nonsense about him not scoring. Did you know his goal ratio is higher than Dalglish's? I thought that this season had finally put this stupidity to bed, considering he has scored more than a goal every 2 games, but obviously not. I really give up, I do not know what some people expect or whether you are just a troll. Maybe this is just a wind up, because 13 goals in 25 games is an excellent record.}

18 Dec 2017 13:59:10
Yes Ed! Hendo had a great game. He makes such a difference to the team. Kept us ticking along at a good pace. Hopefully he can play most games over Xmas with the break he has had recently.

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{Ed001's Note - fingers crossed.}

18 Dec 2017 14:00:10
Brilliant Ed.

Completely agree on Howe by the way. Said very similar earlier this morning. I don't know how or why the media has elevated him to such a high position of appreciation, but i would not be surprised if i found out he does no defensive work in training.

I think this is the year they begin their fall back down the divisions. The average level in the Premier league has escalated so much and so quickly and in Bournemouth's team yesterday, the only players who were not with them in their first season in the top flight were Defoe, Begovic and Ibe. Defoe and Begovic are finished at the top level though, and Ibe is suffering at the hands of yet another manager who doesn't know how to utilise him. To still have the same defence and midfield that played in League 1 is just awful. The recruitment, and what Howe is getting out of the higher level players, is just not good enough. He looks like he's too loyal, and doesn't know any other way of playing.

Pleased to see you give Chamberlain a special mention. I really hope he uses this as a launch pad though!

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{Ed001's Note - I have never understood the hype on Howe mate. I have been saying it for years and never will get it.}

18 Dec 2017 14:35:14
Good write up. The Charlie Daniels bit made me laugh.

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18 Dec 2017 14:49:47
Oh dear Pegleg. Embarrassing post if I ever saw one. Better luck on your next post. 😏.

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18 Dec 2017 15:18:10
Got to disagree on Howe mate. He's brought them through the leagues and deserves to be at Bournemouth even if they go down. We sit and slag managers like moyes fat sam hogson pardew pulis for all parking the bus. Howe at least wants his team to play football. He has the right mix between holloways blackpool all out attack and the ones I just mentioned.

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18 Dec 2017 16:04:56
6 goals in the premier league, all I’m saying is he needs to add more goals to his game I’m not saying his poor at all. Embarrassing post? Not really because I dare to not go with what someone else has said instead of kisses arse and hanging off every word like it’s gospel!

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18 Dec 2017 16:51:14
Benny i disagree. He has no balance at all. He's used his financial muscle o try and outspend the others. His record buy (Ake) was so bad yesterday, i actually forgot he was a new signing. He looks Championship standard, despite being one of the most talented youngsters in the country. The longer he has been at Bournemouth, the worse he has got.

Howe seems like he wants to play good football, and i think he must be good at motivating players who feel like underdogs. He gets the lesser players well up for games to the point that they're on par with his better players.

The fact that he can't get anything good out of the better players is a worry though. Playing the underdog card doesn't work on guys who expect to be winning games more frequently than what Howe has them doing. None of his signings in the last 3 years have even been remotely successful. That despite him spending upwards of £100m on players.

He is a bad coach, a terrible manager, non-existant tactically, but he is a decent motivator and talks a good game to the press. Quite literally a poor mans Brendan Rodgers. At least Rodgers was a decent coach who improved some players. I will be amazed if he keeps them up again. Whilst everyone else has improved each year, Stoke and Swansea have gone backwards, and Bournemouth and West Brom have stood still. They are quite comfortably the four worst teams in the league. I can see Newcastle getting sucked in too though if Rafa doesn't get backed in January. Howe has been found out at last and it's about time to be honest.

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18 Dec 2017 15:42:29
Unbelievable pegleg, agreed Ed1, great read cheers mate.

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{Ed001's Note - thanks mate.}

18 Dec 2017 17:07:35
It's just common sense Pegleg. Firmino is pivotal for Liverpool. He is playing fantastically well and has added goals to his game. He's not a number 9 who plays off the shoulder. He plays a mixture of a 9, a false 9 and a target man who constantly harasses opponents, starts the press. The man is like 4 players in one. An unbelievable selfless player who has now added more goals. Imagine him not being in the team. I'd have Firmino over anyone right now.

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18 Dec 2017 19:22:26
How anyone can be critical on firmino is beyond me. Yes his goal stats may not be as good as a few strikers. But his work rate, movement and unselfish play allows like of salah, coutinho, mane etc to flourish. Watch the whole game not just the goals on match of the day and you will see a very clever hardworking no9.

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18 Dec 2017 19:33:40
Ouch! Pegleg, quit while you are lagging behind cos frankly, your posts and rebuttal to Ed's response, were embarrassing.

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18 Dec 2017 19:39:40
As for the analysis, it was a great one as usual, Ed. Like you, I don't know why people get on Hendo's back. I don't know for the life of me. The kid was brilliant along with Ox, in midfield and for me both should start vs Arsenal cos Arsenal do not like nbeing harried and pressed like Hendo can and Ox will definitely be up for it. I would switch Can for Wiji as Wiji goes missing in away games.

On one last point, I agree that Charlie Daniels went off due to Salah ripping him a new one at will. I will go as far as to infer that he feigned injury to come off cos it got to a point that he would no longer bother to try to get ahead of Salah anymore as he just gave up.

As for Eddie Howe, he is supremely naive, tactically inept and completely way over his head. Signings like Ake and Begovic would get a manager the sack if it were another team. Ake was particularly BANG awful all game. My word, the kid is just useless and Begovic has regressed and got what he deserved for slating us after we lost to Spurs. Howe is just the typical English manager getting a pass cos he's English cos De Boer got canned after 4 games where as Howe is a worse manager than he is.

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{Ed025's Note - thats a bit unfair brover, hes a young man who has done very well considering the funds he has available and the standing of bournemouth, its a bit like telling a homeless person on the street begging to go out and get themselves a job...easier said than done mate..

18 Dec 2017 19:39:57
Put it this way if firminio left u would certainly realise how good firminio and it would hit us hard, his closing down tackling is amazing he is a box of tricks works so hard and scores an assists goals an he getting better.

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{Ed025's Note - yeah hes brilliant, so are the rest of the team...i just cant fathom why you dont win everything each year hailstones?.. :)

18 Dec 2017
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, How Salah was made.

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18 Dec 2017 12:35:38
Hahaha amazing.

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18 Dec 2017 13:52:27
Class.

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18 Dec 2017 14:01:09
When a Suarez first has babies, you have to be really careful as a pet owner. If you touch the babies they will pick up your scent and the mother Suarez will eat them.

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18 Dec 2017 14:29:21
SuaREX 😂.

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18 Dec 2017 10:31:27
Match review ed001 the anticipation is killing me.

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{Ed001's Note - I am doing it now mate, sorry had to pop out and pick up some bits and pieces so couldn't do it earlier.}

18 Dec 2017 12:39:57
Great read as always ed001 cheers for my review fix.

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{Ed001's Note - thank you mate glad you enjoyed.}

18 Dec 2017 11:01:07
Just like to say how impressed with Henderson last night thought him and ox bossed midfield even though I doubted his purchase he seems to have turned the lights switch on good all round team performance pundits saying how poor Bournemouth where but they where only as good as we allowed.

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18 Dec 2017 10:05:21
Morning eds

Its clear that Sturrudge has been dropped from the squad now over the last few games and replaced by Ings on the bench. Is it a clear sign that he will be sold in January?

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{Ed001's Note - he isinjured.}

18 Dec 2017 11:12:28
Owe right ok mate. I didn't realise tbh.

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