Liverpool Banter Archive October 09 2011
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09 Oct 2011 23:24:14
I feel sorry for Mr Carroll he came here at the same time as Suarez with an injury, So while Suarez was showing us he was an absolute jem, Carroll could do nothing but watch as the most expensive englishman of all time it is this point people asked "why have we spent 35m on a crock" but soon he was playing but he eased himself in with his injury to some fans dismay when he didn't score a hat-rick on his debut. At one point he showed us his worth by getting his brace via city and was good in the world.
Then this season started and he has been playing good but that goal eluded him (however his goal should have counted vs Sunderland) and yet dispite showing us what he can do by scoring vs our blue neighbors (not with his head but with a well timed volley) people are still asking is he as good as wellbeck or sturridge.... I fear he'll never win -McMenemy
09 Oct 2011 21:46:09
Hi eds Fans,not liverpool related but hope you will post anyway,Watching the england game purely by accident I came to the realization that they really are rubbish,playing against a country with a population of 625.000 they appeared to not have a clue,add in the fact we pay the manager 6million per year and heavens knows how much the players are on its a total embarrassment,why they even bother is beyond me they have more chance of reaching the SUN than winning any major competition,
add to the fact that so many players get injured at the clubs expence I wonder if its really worth bothering with ,if fans and clubs had a vote Im pretty sure the answere would be no.(godin)
Why not play the U21's instead? Build a team of players who want to play.
Controversial: (sorry folks) But given the personalities with the England team & their 'We can behave how we want because we're famous' attitude (not to mention the lolly lust) means that as an ordinary chap on the street, I really don't wish them any further sucess that will only fuel the ego's & extend their cushy celeb lifestyles. The pressure of all that being taken away was why they failed in the world cup.
dd
I just choose not to watch the whole 3 lions circus act. The euros was defo a better competition without England.
MIKEY
I watch them purely because I love football.. I'll watch any nation, creed or colour kick a football around a field because I live football.. I don't pay for it (in any direct sense anyway) so I'll watch it.. If they want to give it the 'big un' when they are off the field or sleep with someone thats not their mrs then I don't care.. I play it, I watch it and I talk about it.. That's football...
Myk
Hey Myk, would you watch a five-a-side comprising Adolf Hitler, Idi Amin, Ivan The Terrible, Stalin & Attilla The Hun in goal ?
Could you admire their ball control and forget about their off-the-field activities ?
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - Attila wasn't that bad, he was certainly no worse than any other ruler of his time, in fact compared to the Romans he was a nice guy!}
Yeah well, I forgot to add that the opposing team was Romulus, Remus, Julius Ceasar, Nero and that defensive wall at the back, Hadrian.
Winner takes all ed !
The Real KB
Mr Myk.. if you love football, why watch the current England? They don't deliver... if they did we could (possibly) overlook the 3am night club exits we see in the tabloids. I'm much more appreciative of a small nation, knuckling down & working for a result. I love football too & an underdog shoving it up a bunch of prima donnas can only be good for the game.
dd
Match commentary from Johnathan Pearce and Guy Mowbray...
sweet, I'd pay to watch that game!...
Cuchulainn's Hounds
09 Oct 2011 21:35:08
Anyone know who won the porridge making world championship today ?
And is it right that ed007 got disqualified for using ready brek ?
The Real KB
I think McSlop from Scotland won.
Also heard that Wayne Rooney's dad went along to get some practise in....they're the only oats he will get where he's going.
JRG
That was a serious question !
Lol.
The Real KB
It was the Scotts Porridge Oats guy
Cuchulainn's Hounds
09 Oct 2011 21:15:35
no way..tevez at anfield..no...
Correct
The Real KB
He'd be probably the only player of some class that i wouldn't want to see here.
Why would tevez join you lot? he may be a complete d1ck but he isn't an idiot..
he could join real madrid,inter or ac milan..who are in the champions league..whereas you are just a midtable team now..
Tevez needs to go back to South America. Though one can not dispute his talent, he is toxic for any team. Forget about Tevez, it will never happen, he is not worth it!.
Oh well why did he go to man city then?
it well could be the same reason he ll come here!
09 Oct 2011 20:47:31
Are we still looking for another striker?
What about bringing Michael home, hate seeing him play for Utd.
Sounds like someone is having a good night, how many pints have you had must be in at least double figures to want Owen back.
always a red
I thought Michael Home was a player.
Suarez,bellamy,kuyt,carroll will do, remember we put up in the last few years with just torres and n'gog so we can manage -McMenemy
09 Oct 2011 20:25:51
How do you pronounce the Stoke city chairmans name?
Square tomato
Mr 365-anything.
09 Oct 2011 20:18:01
Hope Kenny plays on Elton Johns a mean Wayne Rooneys suspect temprament on saturday and gets somebody to wind him up,just get Adam or someone to keep pullin at his shirt at set pieces and have a word in his ear about his dar. That should see the p**ck sent off. Also have a shoot on site policy with that De Gea coz he's well dodgy.
WARO
Adam, Gerrard and Carroll should all have fun against him =)
Thats the only way your gunna win..
Gerrard likes rooney
Wayne Rooney must be well used to all the insults by now, I doubt he gets affected by it all. I mean you have his hairline. The grannies. The 3way. His dad. If I had all them problems I would stay at home and shut the curtains lol
MIKEY
If he stayed at home and "shut the curtains" he'd probably get caught knocking one out on some voyeur website!
dmedly
09 Oct 2011 19:37:57
i no evry1 is xited about de man u match bt lets b hnest. i tink we lose 3-2 wat do u tink ed? IRELAND {Ed001's Note - sorry, I only read English, so I have no idea what the question is.}
I agree you will lose 3-2
Carroll and Suarez will be too much for your defence
MIKEY
09 Oct 2011 19:11:46
Henderson = £16 million
Carroll = £35 million
Downing = £20 million
Total = £71 million
Why don't these players start for England?
Have a guess?
Ash
Henderson and carroll are not gd enough. carroll is not as gd as bent or rooney or though he should of been in the squad he is better than zamora. henderson is not better at dominating in the middle of the park as barry or parker. on the right wing henderson is not the best option although neither is walcott. i would have downing would have started especially after his start to the season.
GMN
Henderson and Carroll aren't very good footballers, that's why they don't play for England. But I'm surprised Downing wasn't selected. He's a better winger than Walcott, Lennon or Milner. Downing hasn't had a great start this season, but he's playing better than any of those three.
Matthew...
Downing started 2 out of the last 3 England games mate. He's ahead in the pecking order of Adam Johnson, so the guy is doing somthing right.
Blair Mayne YNWA
GMN, Matthew we don't need you to ridicule our players ladies. We are doing just fine on our own, arn't you Ash? lol
Blair Mayne YNWA
I think England would do a lot better if they were in the starting line up. I'm welsh and have had to put up with poor football from my team for many years but our game against England proves that Capello has favourites and is a poor manager.
As long as he stays in the job, our boys won't get tired on duty playing pointless games.
Ultra Red
Blair i wasnt ridiculing your players. carroll is not as gd as bent or rooney anyone who argues at that has not saw them play. i dont like the fact that bent plays for the villa but i can respect that he is a great striker. henderson has not played recently in the centre so i dont believe that capello would have chosen to play him there. on the wing as said i thought that downing would of played instead of walcott. im not ridiculing players im just not biased towards the liverpool players or biased against the united players like alot of the liverpool fans on here like yourself are.
GMN
Downing was pants on friday night, glad he didnt start.
Downing does start for England. He was dropped against Montenegro just because Capello wanted to start with 2 strikers and Young and Walcott have been playing better than Downing recently.
Henderson doesn't start for England right now because of Walcott and Young on the right, and Capello's preference for experience in the centre of midfield. Carroll doesn't start because Rooney, Bent and Defoe are more experienced and in better form. Not many players are regular starters for England at 22.
Red Ollie
Ummm - not in as good form as other players - thought that would be pretty simple to work out. Perhaps a simple IQ test minimum requirement might end a lot of these ridiculous posts Eds!
LIVERPRES
With support like this, who needs banter from other teams' fans? What a bunch of whining muppets. Ash, I thought I told you to go and support Tranmere so that you can really have something to whinge about. Are you only here because Tranmere have yet to merit a page? On second thoughts, poor Tranmere have done nothing to merit support as utterly useless as yours.
Red Owl
Do you have a point Red Owl or can you just not stand that someone has a differing opinion to you? I'll be driving for a combined total of 7 hours next weekend and spending roughly £400 to watch Liverpool play. Is that enough "support" for you?
Ash
Henderson doesnt start for the same reason Phil Jones Welbeck and Sturidge dont play most games because there all young and havnt got enough experience. Doesnt make Henderson a bad player. Jones has started a couple of games recently due to injuries. Downing has started a couple recently ahead of the likes of Walcott and Capello has said in the past he sees Carroll as a future England regular he has just not been in his best form recently. I hope that changes now though after that goal against Everton
Ash, the fact that you travel to watch the game does not constitute support if all you do when when you get to the game is moan about the players you profess to support. An elderly gentlemen a few rows behind me ruined my match-day experience for several seasons by whining for ninety minutes of every match.Thankfully, he no longer attends. I suspect you probably have a similar effect on those seated near you. If you dislike the players so much, surely it would be better to give up your ticket so that somebody who might actually enjoy the experience can attend instead. Since I have yet to see you make a single positive comment about our club, and particularly the players who represent the club, is it possible your sat nav has been taking you to Goodison Park rather than Anfield?
Red Owl
Well unfortunately Red Owl, you really need to look a little further for my posts. I have mentioned before on here that it really is only Carroll, Henderson and Adam that I have an issue with. It just so happens that they were the last players we bought. I think that Martin Kelly, Raheem Stirling, Tony Silva, Suso, Adam Morgan, Conor Coady and many others have a very bright future at the club. I suggest you stop being so sensitive Red Owl as you clearly get upset so easily.
Ash
09 Oct 2011 18:20:03
Lets not squabble about if Carroll is better than Welbeck or Sturridge. I am more than happy with Carroll and he scored a priceless goal against the bluenoses. As long as King Kenny is happy and the coaching staff thats what matters the most.
Carroll is quality lets just enjoy him being at our great club.
Thanks
mighty reds
Totally agree. I just don't know why people arn't giving him a chance. It took Ian Rush 11 months to actually start scoring on a regular basis. Give Andy some time and he'll be our Shearer.
RenegadeRed
Can't wait till this Carroll talk ends as is so dull
Think it took crouch 18 games also to score his first
09 Oct 2011 17:56:52
kenny always said he didnt want selfish players and tevvez is a very selfish player. No loyalty in that man at all.
Exactly why would anybody want to hire him? He ruins team morale and pisses off everyone wherever he goes. Great player, piss poor person
MIKEY
09 Oct 2011 17:46:08
who's got the best up and coming players in the epl??
(17-21)
Hate to say it but Man Utd have the best youngsters by a mile, then arsenal, spurs, everton and then liverpool
Hate to say it mate, but you clearly have no idea about our academy or the quality of our youngsters. Yes, united have some quality 20-21 year olds just breaking through, but:
Coady, Suso, Wisdom, Wilson, Shelvey, Morgan, Flanagan and Robinson are all still 17-18. Wait till they are the same age as Cleverly and Welbeck. The original poster said between 17-21 therefore you have to take all players in that age range into consideration. We also have Coates and Hendo who are top quality young lads just breaking through to the first team. Another thing, you have no idea clearly about a 16 year old gem in our academy who goes by the name of Raheem Sterling. He has the potential to be as good as Messi. Give our youngsters a chance mate, one things for sure, Arsenal and Everton's over-huped academys have produced Wilshere and Rooney in a decade. Rafa laid the ground work for our academy 2 years ago, and when those lads burst through, s*** is gonna hit the fan!
YNWA! (Adam)
I actually know exactly what im talking about mate, im a football scout and i wasnt talking about individual players, especially not cleverly and welbeck because they've allready broke into the 1st team... from 17-21 united have brown, amos, johnstone, vermij, cole, barmby, morrison, pogba, cofie, giverin, thorpe, keane, mc ginty, brady, petrucci, freyers, fornasier, lingarrdm masaci, buxcel, -17 they have cluxton, bonson, tamasil and cervat just to name a few. Im not a united supporter, i could tell you the everton and spurs prospects aswell if you like ?? liverpool do have a strong set up in the youth, but IMO united, spurs and everton just have a better set up, i was just answering the question, im a scout in ireland but i travel over to britain a lot
And i actually heard of Sterling a long time ago when he was at QPR, great talent but has a fair bit to do if hes gonna be compared to messi
I'm sorry, but if Man Utd have the best youth team, it is definitely not by a mile.
Morgan playing for the U19's recently scored the winner for England in their last game, he's tipped to be the best.
Coady is captaining the U19's
Wisdom is captaining the U20's
Henderson is captaining the U21's
Shelvey, Flanagan, Henderson and Kelly are all in the U21 and are regular starters. Flanagan is still 18.
Robinson is a left back who recently scored for England U19's and once again, a regular started...he's 17.
Raheem Sterling, he is touted by MANY to be the next Barnes. There is nothing normal about this kid, he'll be playing in the World Cup 2014..when he'll be 18 years old.
Suso is a brilliant masterpiece, he makes everything beautiful by linking up the play.
Kelly WILL be included in the Euro 2012 squad, without a doubt and may even start in place of Glen.
If you think United are the best by a mile, you are mistaken.
RenegadeRed
To the irish scout how much better are these players if they are better than ours and how long in your opinion dothink it will be before we can catch up we have made great strides and cant see us been behind everton and spurs for long whats your opinion
Haha if you were a football scout why would you even ask that question in the first place?
What an absolute well end you are.
MIKEY
A scout in Ireland Ha! You are a united supporter who has gone on to there site and just copied all the youngsters names. I bet you dont even know who 50% of them are. Why would you even be on the Liverpool page anyway? I agree with Adam when our kids break through its gonna special.
W.B.
Its not that you have far to go to catch up, liverpool have a great youngsters at the club, I was talking to frank mc parland a while ago when he was over at bray (for those who dont know, frank is head of the liverpool academy and liverpool have a joint academy in bray in ireland, they also have academys in kevins boys fc and st josephs fc over here 2) anyways, frank is more than happy with the set up at the moment, cant really give away too much but a few of your lads will be headin off on loans next season and some deals are allready been spoken about, Again, i wasnt slating liverpool, its just that alot of scouts stay in contact and ive alot of friends in the game, most of us put united, spurs, everton at the top of the list, some of the lads coming through are gonna be top class
'mikey'... i didnt ask the original question and
'w.b'... scouts spend alot of time on forums these days aswell as goin to matches, we need to know who people are talking about, fans included.
The best young player for me in recent months, has been Tony Silva. The kid has progressed so much in the past year.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Haha what a tit you are.
Typical manc.
Why lie?
MIKEY
Make you right about Silva, I had heard of the usual suspects when watching the Nextgen, but he stood out in the couple of games I watched.
dmedly
When somebody says "I know what I am talking about", one has to ask if they really do!.
Mate, your boys are on the United page all the time claiming to know what they are talking about so you're probably right ;)
TK-Red
You are so right mate, infact you deffo know hat you are talking about.
09 Oct 2011 16:17:22
ed001, do you think with the return of kenny, we may revert to our age old technique of promoting from within or do you think our new owners may go down the talented foreign new age concept type of manager route when the time comes? i loved the concept of the bootroom, the idea of gaining information on talented youth players was clever and deceptive over a glass of whiskey, i feel this route promotes stability and the notion of pulling in the smae direction. i personally feel given a few years a combination of carragher and borrell would give us a fine mix of culuture and tradition. our most succesful period came with this type of mentality, i know kenny has gone some way to restoring it but do you personally feel that the day has passed for such ideas o r that it still has a place in todays game?
i would appreciate your opinion
cheers red maverick {Ed001's Note - I think it will depend on what happens when Kenny is ready to move on. I certainly think promotion from within would be preferred, but it is far too early to say right now.}
Aye it is too early, i just got reading tommy smiths comments on carra and always thought he would be a good manager for liverpool, i want someone willing to bleed for this club, saying that benitez for all his minor faults fully embraced our culture, none so evident than seeing his reaction and donations to the hillsborough tradegy. i just hope that when kenny does decide to step down in a fair few years his hard work and dynasty (hopefully) will not be dismantled and we have a houillier situation on our hands. anyway cheers ed appreciate the comment, i know im getting way ahead of myself, it just makes a change to talk about something other than the henderson or carroll brigade having a moan.
red maverick
Would be great to see us promote from within. Gives our players something to aim for rather than just employ the latest hot shot young manager from abroad.
MIKEY
09 Oct 2011 16:12:28
Just been reading on the united site about sturridge and well beck being better than andy Carroll .
Is a strikers job to put the ball in the back of net , I think it just might be . Carroll has 14 league goals since the start of last season ( 2010 - 2011 ) does any of the above mentioned have more ? I put this on are site cause I could' nt be bothered reading the lectures the united fans leave when you comment on something .
I know sturridge and well beck do look like they can make it at the very top which they will no doubt barring injuries that's not my argument , my argument is when Carroll was banging them in for Newcastle he was the next Malcolm macdonald now he comes to us he's s**te , people need to judge the lad at the end of the season if we get c/l and andy scores 15 league goals I think that pays a big chunk back of that daft price tag . K 96 .
Welbeck has scored 3 league goals this season, Carroll has scored 1.
Welbeck has scored 2 Champions League goals this season, Carroll has scored against err, Exeter.
Both Welbeck and Sturridge are better players than donkey boy Carroll. And you all know it.
Matthew...
How many of those goals came for newcastle a year ago for liverpool he has i think 3 league goals since january. my memory isnt great but i think thats the same as torres for chelsea and most people are saying he hasnt done well for them. carroll had a good season in the championship and a gd half season in the prem for newcastle. that doesnt make him a great striker. welbeck has had a gd season for sunderland and a gd start for united. sturridge had a gd half season for bolton and a gd start for chelsea. none of the 3 have alot of experience but on current form carroll is the worse of the 3.
GMN
Carroll scored more PL goals last season , than any Manc striker, except Berbanob and he scored as much as Hernandez. Not bad considering Andy only played half a season.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Half a season is all he can play.
" GMN " the miss us not let you get your leg over or something last night , who said great striker's mate , get back on to the brum site or is there any one even on there ( is there even 1 ? ) . Read what am saying all three have played for two teams in the perm over the last 2 season's even though were only 7 in to this 1 . Carroll was injured for 3 months at least last year . And by the way div pot this is for lfc fans ( hence Matthew don't reply to your lot ) so go and ponder them dark days again for your club you was going on about to a regular poster the other day person . K96 .
Eds or Ed!
How on earth Matthew, was able to come on here and Call Andy Carroll a donkey. where as i was not able to post anything on Manchester UTD page. Not fair!
Chopman {Ed002's Note - I have never seen you try to post to the Manchester United pages - all you seem to do is bleat about it.}
Blair you haven't got a clue have you? Carroll played considerably more league minutes than Hernandez last season. And yet Hernandez still managed get the same amount of league goals as him as well as scoring a handful in the Champions League. Carroll is sh!t and you know it.
Matthew...
Premier League
Andy Carroll - Apps 55 Goals 17
Danny Welbeck - Apps 39 Goals 10
Daniel Sturridge - Apps 62 Goals 17
Javier Hernandez - Apps 33 Goals 15
Andy Carroll has more goals than Welbeck and Hernandez, A better Goals Average than Sturridge and Welback.
Welbeck just looks like a English David N'gog to me, The United fans will be begging for Hernandez back by November when Welbeck shows his true potential.
Jatt YNWA
Of course, Berbatov only scored 9 pl goals in his debut season for the Mancs!£30 million into the bargain. Let's just sweep that under the carpet & say nothing! Still world class tho!
The Irish Rover
Wellbeck is crap but Sturridge will be awesome.
Ash
I should have said 'potential' ;)
Jatt YNWA
Sturidge 62 apps welbeck and sturidge are better than carrol
Although Berba did improve in his second season for the Mancs & scored a whopping 12 goals in 43 games in all comps. Ah, but some of his flicks were worth £30 million.
The Irish Rover
Aneke in arsenal and aoc have better potential than all of them except sturridge and maybe welbeck
I guess because Aneke and AOC have 'potential' should be seeing them in a City shirt soon ;)
Arsenal - A feeder club for City.
Jatt YNWA
Calm doon Matthew lad lol. Carroll may have played more mins on the pitch, than Hernandez. But take into condideration who Carroll was playing for last season. Since you're doing stats mate, could you please tell me how minutes did Shrek play last season, and how many goals did he score?
Cheers
Blair Mayne YNWA
09 Oct 2011 16:11:39
Gerrard is Match fit Now he playing 2 match 2 weeks a go. so he is not Injured anymore Let Him start KD . Gerrard always do well agenest Man u . and he is ready to Rock.
09 Oct 2011 15:01:25
EVERTON has promised to ban for life anyone found to be guilty of abusive or threatening behavior towards liverpool fc players during the recent match, 25,453 blue nosed mongs have applied, police spokesman said they expect this number to rise,bob paisleys skids
09 Oct 2011 14:33:36
Ash
You say that Gerrard is not flamboyant. I dont really now to many more effective players than him do you. Also i couldnt care less about flair as long as my team is effective and winning games could you? I also think Nasri is one of the most overrated players ever Ginola had flair but not a team player or that effective.
Mighty reds
Exactly why do you need flair when you can score from 40 yards -McMenemy
And when exactly was the last time Gerrard did that? 2008? 2007? He is more a 'box to box' type player anyway.
Ash
Carrol is the most overated as well as ramsey to be fair ramsey was rated highly but he broke his leg and never returned the ame but he wil improve
09 Oct 2011 14:21:21
People talking about how Kuyt plays well with Suarez...thats because he is the only striker that speaks same language -McMenemy
I thought they spoke Spanish in Uruguay?
Thanks, James.
Suarez came from the dutch league..
Suarez played in Ajax before coming to liverpool, and he learned to speak dutch while being there.
Both speak Dutch! Suarez played for Ajax!!
Well this could go well cos if kenny makes carroll learn dutch instead of drinking, it would be a win win
Fair enough, Suarez did play in Eredivisie before, my bad. But even so, on the pitch I doubt he would be speaking Dutch, it would most likely be English and maybe a bit of Spanish.
Thanks, James.
I think that when Suarez learns good English, he will sound like Ester Ranson. I wouldn't worry about Luis's language problems, Jamie was born here and he's still struggling, with the lingo.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Kuyt and Suarez would speak dutch to each other in a game -McMenemy
That would be double dutch then.
"Dutch Oven" for James.
09 Oct 2011 14:13:39
Nearly forgot, well done Skrtel in becoming a farther -McMenemy
Even "FATHER" !
09 Oct 2011 14:06:56
are the ads all the same across all club sites all i keep bloody getting is do i want to buy tickets for blacburn versus wolves are they really that desperate that they,l advertise blacburn tickets on a liverpool website that is a club in trouble lol i dont think even many blackburn fans want tickets for thee games never mind any1 else now blacburn liverpool might be tempted then id have thought the ads would be club specific
jez {Ed001's Note - they should be different, but the people doing the advertising are too stupid to set up their options correctly.}
09 Oct 2011 13:03:23
hi ed
what do you think what reina said in his bio
about he would have left. torres has been tortured
yet reina gets a legends status for staying. just becauase he had to . there seams to be double standards to me.i'm not happt with reina
chrissy {Ed001's Note - Torres gets grief because he forced his way out, Reina could have done the same but chose not to. I really don't see your point.}
Hi ed
he only stayed because his wife wanted to otherwise he would have done the same as torres {Ed001's Note - so? I fail to see how it matters, the point is he didn't.}
He also said that if he had left it would have been with a heavy heart.. not a heavy bank balance a la Torres!
As Ed has said, if Reina really wanted to leave, he would have..
ItsNotRocketScience
Pepe wanted to leave when H&G were in charge (who didn't). But Torres wouldn't even give our new owners and Kenny a chance, not even till the summer.
Blair Mayne YNWA
From the way he celebrates every goal and every win to the banter within the team, Pepe is one of those with a genuine love for our club
SingRed
Never mind Pepe will go soon so you will be happy.
09 Oct 2011 12:39:22
Ash
so downing,maxi,bellamy,gerrard,hendo,johnson,jose and adam dont have flair in them.
Mighty reds
Adam hasn't got flair but his left foot is a thing of beauty -McMenemy
No, not in the same way a Silva, Nasri, A. Johnson, Mata, Torres, Nani, Rooney etc. can. And Henderson, Adam, Maxi and two full backs, flair? Really? Even Gerrard is not 'flamboyant' in the true sense of the word!
Ash
You're like a bad rAsh you ;)
See what I did there ha.
Corkpoolred
I agree with corkpoolred you talk absolute trASH.... im sorry that was terrible but couldn't resist -McMenemy
Did anyone see a tumbleweed?
I also agree and think you should chill out man, and smoke more hAsh.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Its all about getting the job done never mind all that fancy feet s**te one two bang goal
What flairy about torres may i ask? he had pace, i emphasis the word had but clearly now he is in the sub branch of just a clinical striker. nasri drifts in and out of games. we have bought solid technical performers to gain 4th spot, players who will not take time to adapt. once we get into the CL we will then add the drops of uber class to take us to the next level. right now we are out of europe, such players would never have contemplated coming to us for the sheer fact that most are just influenced by wage in this day and age, give me a downing whos gonna perform 7 out of ten each week over an ineffectual flair player who would get a kick and drift out of the game. your a mug ash, all you do is whinge, open your eyes up to what is taking place and appreciaite the fact that after our disasterous spell under those who must not be named, we are slowly but surely rebuilding our selfs back to where we belong. rome wasnt built in a day, but clearly your opinion has been manipulated and moulded by the london biased media of today.
red maverick
Fair play to him though for having a bASH
You talk alot of trAsh.... ;-0 haha but i think we need a player with natural flair like Marko Marin
Thanks guys, I'm glad my name has brightened up your Sundays! On a serious note - Red Maverick, in your infinite wisdom, you have just proved my point. You would rather have someone plodding along on a '7/10' (which in itself I think is generous) doing 'ok' every game. What happens when we need someone to raise it to an 8 or a 9 and Suarez is say injured?
Ash
Well then we will have to splAsh the cAsh , think we will spend big next summer .redforever
Exactly, youve just proved my point, consistency is key ash, its the majority of the time a 7 out of ten, are you telling me downing doesnt have the ability to raise his game, he chips in with goals, hes only played a few games, soon he will be putting it on a plate for others and streching the play allowing the likes of gerrard, adam and the rest to push on and penetrate the middle. Did we just rely on suarez last season? no, we now have a team, every single player strong in possesion with sound technical ability, a la tottenham would die for our strength and depth up front, we have excellent variety. what was it shanks said, you need 8 men to carry the piano and 3 to play the thing. suarez and gerrard are artists at what they do, i feel we are one short of a creative option, but other positions had to be attended to first. enrique looks a steal, adam set pieces are worth his fee alone, mark my words henderson will be a quality adidtion at 15 million, you can say what you want about the england team but its far from short in the middle of classy players and capello put him in for a cap, that man knows a player when he sees one. bellamy was the icing for me, he doesnt need to be flairy as such, his pace and direct running is a fine attribute. Be happy with what we have signed, its inevitable that once we get in the CL we will be able to appeal to top end performer, be patient my friend, were in phase 1 of rebuilding, Dalglish is renknowed for forming a team of hard workers and technically gifted players, just you watch this team come alive in winter
red maverick
Red Maverick, you have just said we are short of a creative player. Do creative players not have flair then?
Ash
Ash you are a pedantic little nit picker. i said the addition of one in January would not go amiss, your idea of flair is a couple of stepovers and a flick by the half way line. lets look at Henderson, he provided 96 goal scoring oppertunities in a poor Sunderland team devoid of a real striker. Now i dont see a johnson, nor nasri, nor silva for that mata contributing that amount. im not for one second saying henderson is better than any of those players because hes not but your forgetting the basic creed of football, the ideology of the ball travelling faster than a man ever could. Give me a player who provides chance after chsnce through incisive passing any day of the week over a flair player without end product. an addition will be made in jan, make no mistake but the point im making is we have more than enough to see us through to jan, as long as we get 4th spot this year and a tidy cup run i would happily have a team of lucas's, hard working, industrious and cohesive, stop picking away at scabs and being a cheese, youve finally sucummed to the notion and realisation that your point is as void as your overall opinion
Red Maverick
Thank you Red Maverick for informing me what my idea of flair is. As you can see from the players I have listed, all they do is "a couple of stepovers and a flick by the halfway line." And "nit picking?" You proved my point with your comment about a "need for a creative player!"
Ash
09 Oct 2011 12:27:29
Ed, do you know how bad Kelly's injury is?
Thanks....
Blair Mayne YNWA {Ed002's Note - It won't be assessed until it has had a chance to settle - so expect no news before tomorrow or Tuesday.}
'Blair'
Who will likely start at RB? Is Johnson likely to be fit or has the game come a little too soon? Will Agger be back in time? Will Carragher play RB with Skyrtel & Agger at CB? What do you think is the likely back four for Saturday?
Sydney!
Johnson is expected back for the Man Utd game, but if he doesn't pass fit fully expect Flanagan to take the reins at right-back. Skrtel and Carra have both been effectively banned from the fullback positions due to past disasters, so I'm sure Kenny would trust Flanagan to make a good account of himself against Young and the like.
The only injury doubts for Utd are Kelly and Agger, but it's quite possible that both could be available in spite of these knocks.
Martin
Sydney,
For RB I would pick Jon Flanagan,if Johnson is not 100% fit.
My back four would be,Flanagan,Carragher,Skrtel and Enrique.
Redeyedhector
I wouldn't risk playing Kelly or Johnson, on Saturday Sydney. I would play young Flanno RB mate, to try and deter the threat of Young. Skrtel or Carragher are not good enough and quick enough RB's, to keep up with Young. I think our Rangers friendly was a good idea. It will give us a better idea of the fitness of Johnson, Kelly, Agger and Gerrard. If Johnson and Agger play a full 90 mins unscathed, we could see the both of them start on Saturday.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Ps. It wouldn't supprise me one bit mate, if Gerrard started on Saturday.
'Martin'
Just wondered what your RB options were. I cannot see Flanagan being risked in such a high profile game. Young & Nani would tear him to shreds. Perhaps Johnson will be chucked in, although as a defender he isn't much better than Flanagan.
Sydney!
Glen's defending has got a lot better in the past few months, under Kenny and Steve. I wouldn't have ho problem sticking young Flanno in on Saturday. He was fantastic for us at the tail end of last season. He had Nasri in his back pocket in the Arsenal game, so he should have no problem with Young.
Blair Mayne YNWA
'Blair'
Nasri and young have completely different attributes. Nasri is much slower than Young & Nani, and to be fair Nasri is not a very good winger, he is a central midfielder that is wasted on the right. I have seen youth players from United's academy give Flanagan a torrid time. He may be a great prospect for the future. but I think he would be a little out of his depth against us.
Sydney!
The first game of the season Sunderland's Larrson destroyed Flanagan on a number of occasions. I think it was the Exeter game that I witnessed Flanagan given a hard time too. He is too inexperienced for the United game IMO. I guess it will be a good lesson for him in the long run, but could cost you the game.
Sydney!
Don't worry about Flanno Sydney mate. Just you worry about the terrible twins.
Blair Mayne YNWA
'Blair'
I don't really want to go down the road of "My player is better than yours", but Fabio did play his first game for Brazil this week and Rafael has had Gareth Bale in his pocket in the last three times they have met. Flanagan wasn't even risked against Spurs, Kenny chose to play a CB at RB instead, Flanno wasn't even on the bench. The twins are extremely injury prone, this of course hampers their progression as they don't get a good enough run of games. But I wouldn't swap either for Johnson, Flanagan or Kelly. Both have the ability to be world class talents.
Sydney!
When i tried to explain to you Sydney about Kelly's injury's, and how this has hampered his chances, you told me i was talking rubbish. Double standards mate, double standards.
Blair Mayne YNWA
ps. You don't go into "our players are better than your players" rubbish. BUT in the same post you say, you'd rather have the terrible twins than any of our kids? Lol
There it is! "World Class" A bid from Real Madrid or Barca on the table by January. Surely!
The Irish Rover
Blair
You are forgetting, we are talking about Man Utd here. All their players have the ability to be "World Class". Only after they join mind you. Take Jones for example! Put him at centre half, then shift him to right back if he's had a few nightmare games & if all else fails? Play him as a defensive midfielder where his abilty to be "World Class" will shine for all to see.
Ps Expect a bid from Barca by the close of business Dec 31st.
The Irish Rover
100% correct (as usual) Irish Rover mate lol. I'll give you another example "Ashley Young". 99% of these fickle Mancs didn't even want him, now no full back can cope with him?
They really are a fickle bunch, which Sydney keeps proving time and time again. lol
Blair Mayne YNWA
Let's not get into this, Sydney, but we both know Flanagan and Robinson are both more talented and more advanced than the Curly twins were at their age.
Playing Flanagan against you would not be a 'risk'. He's played 9 games for Liverpool, 3 against teams in the Top 6 and has looked rock solid on 8 occasions.
As for Blair, Johnson is also not being 'risked' as such. By Saturday he will have overcome his injury and will be fully fit to face Utd - of course, there is the possibility of a few hitches along the way, but unlikely. Why wouldn't you play the best RB in the league if he fully fit, even coming back from injury.
Martin
09 Oct 2011 10:01:37
The post about Suarez getting peed off made me laugh. What a silly comment isnt it a team game and you need different types of players to compliment each other. I think Carroll will be the perect foil for Suarez and its just starting to show, Suarez also links well with Kuyt and against Brighton looked good with Bellamy.
You cant have just 11 flair players. We have a great mix of players in our squad. Lets just hope no injuries this week and lets turn over the mancs.
Mighty reds
No, but you can have more than one.
Ash
But more than 3 in the starting 11 is pointless.
Im with ash on this one. If suarez gets injured, we r screwed big time. On man team again. Shud have added mata to our squad than downing. What i dont understand is why KK bought players to bring the best out of carrol. What abt suarez? He is our best player n we shud have bought players who wud have complimented him as well.
Indian Buzzer {Ed001's Note - you are such a moaner! We would not be screwed if Suarez gets injured, we have Bellamy, we can play to Carroll, Kuyt scores goals. I really don't understand what you are whining about this time.}
'Flair' strange that this word only came up when Fifa introduced it................lfc
Bellemy no less than a year and a half ago was ripping the prem up, despite all of mancini's expensive signings he was the one who performed to the highest level, and he still bombed him out. Kuyt regularlly bangs in at least ten, carroll has plenty of goals in him, we may bring another striker in in jan, many a team would kill to have a strikeforce with the depth and variety we possess. all we need is a clinical last man shoulder hanger striker with pace to burn to complete this wonderful variety of options, makes a change from ngog and torres doensnt it?
red maverick
Im not moaning ed. Im just trying to tell u that our squad has depth, but the quality is still lacking.
Indian Buzzer