Liverpool Banter Archive November 09 2012
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09 Nov 2012 22:40:40
John W. Henry, the commodities trading mogul and principal owner of the Boston Red Sox, has announced that his firm will stop managing client money as of Dec. 31 due to shrinking assets and lackluster returns.
According to the Wall Street Journal, the Brookline resident's John W. Henry & Co. issued an email Friday to clients informing them of the firm's intentions to effectively cease operations supporting outside investors. The Journal said the firm has less than $100 million in assets under management, compared to more than $2.5 billion just six years ago.
"The firm has been small since 2007 and once assets fell below $100 million this year the company became too small to sustain itself," Henry wrote, according to the Journal report. "We have been returning assets to investors with a desire to exit the client business by year end."
The investment operation, based in Florida, earned a reputation for outsized returns using quantitative trading strategies targeting commodities, currencies and other securities markets. In the process, Henry accumulated enormous wealth, as showcased by his prominently parked yacht, The Iroquois, in Boston Harbor as well as his equity stake in Fenway Sports Group, the holding company for the Red Sox, Fenway Park and the Liverpool Football Club in the Premier soccer league abroad.
It was unclear whether Friday's news or the trading firm's dismal performance will impact Henry's ownership stake in the Fenway Sports Group.
According to the Journal, John W. Henry's five trading programs have logged losses ranging from 1 percent to over 21 percent this year.
The firm was founded in 1982. {Ed002's Note - I would not worry about this at all.}
So do you think this could affect liverpool ed? if so how ?
Cheers {Ed002's Note - Did you read my note?}
Why would you not worry about this? Are fsg and John Henry separate ed?
Thanks. {Ed002's Note - THis is a different business.}
10 Nov 2012 10:51:00
John W henry is in big financial problem and has been for few years. His net worth is declining every year. Now things have turned worst for him as all his bussiness is running on losses except Red sox. That's the reason why there were rumours flying of selling red sox.will it effect Liverpool who knows? But I feel sorry for the man at the same time Red sox are in big mess. In short all his bussiness/assets are in big mess. Red sox fans have turned on him and abusing them same as what Liverpool fans did.
09 Nov 2012 22:23:15
hi eds who exactly do you think liverpool are after in jan? {Ed002's Note - A striker for a start.}
09 Nov 2012 21:51:00
Saw a post earlier that sums up our future :
We will great one day under BR - Just as long as all the current top 5 start to mess up and go backwards
We have only one thing going for us
- not BR and his style of football
- not FSG and their limited cash
OUR FANBASE
Hope BR and FSG have something new up their sleeve as their is no point in trying to implement something that worked 4 years ago as football is moving forward not looking backwards
Leam Red
09 Nov 2012 21:42:42
Ed002 what do you make of the stories of JWH losing money and being in big financial trouble. Will it affect our transfer budget? {Ed002's Note - It is a matter of restructuring of another business.}
He is not in big financial trouble, and besides FSG is a consortium of rich lads do if he does go bust someone else will just buy his shares and that sort of craic off him. Its like a bank going bust because one person who owns shares in it is bankrupt
09 Nov 2012 20:54:33
Hello Ed,
Heard some rumours about Siem de jong, any truth in that?
Thanks
Thes- YNWA {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}
09 Nov 2012 18:40:54
Hi eds why hasn't joao carlos teixeira played any games for our youth team? When we bought him it seemed a good buy yet we don't play him. Why is that?
IamRed {Ed002's Note - He was purchased for the reserve set up.}
He played the other day and set up a goal and scored , thats after being out with a back injury , if he carrys on playing like he did against wolves then you will see him play in the 1st team this season , he is betterthan cole and downing
Joao was KLAAS against Wolves. passing and movement was spot on.
Pelosi also had a very very good game kept the game moving won alot of balls in the middle (LCM next to a DM is clearly his best position)
09 Nov 2012 18:22:59
Ed's do you know if Liverpool get paid any compensation for Borini's injury when away on U21 International duty?
I'm not letching for cash, but i'm not sure about it and it crept uP in conversation with a mate, so i'd like to understand a bit more about what happens when a player is injured whilst away if anyone has any knowledge to share.
I know Michael Owen's injured for England, whilst being a Newcastle player brought this issue to light a long while back, but am not sure if any precedent was set.
Cheers in advance {Ed002's Note - If the injury happens on international duty and assuming a claim is made then the national association's insurance kicks in. If not the Liverpool insurance pays up.}
Insurance premiums must be astronomical ed002 if you can claim back a players wages if injured? I guess they are insured individually depending on the past injury record? Care to put a rough figure on a player earning say £100,000 per week. Only if you can. Cheers
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - The insurance costs are in the millions and vary according to many more factors other than wages. Age, nationality, injury history, wages as you say all come in to it. I am not going to put a figure on it but the insurance is also there to compensate for any career ending injury etc..}
09 Nov 2012 21:15:33
what about going all out for dzeko or is br against playing any1 over 5ft 5 up front ,,& why is ngoo not getting alookin in the first-teaam,,probly hes to tall ,,,but every time ive seen him play hes ahandful & more importantly he scores goals----------IRISH RED
Can't be that? Suarez is 5ft 11ins
kidmillions
Wages mate.
Sounds like you have a bit of a thing for tall men there mate.
Should be an ad for that at the top of the page.
Enjoy...
MIKEY
Eh Mikey, you do realise you only see ads for similar thing to what you search for, sounds like it might be you with a thing for tall men.
Samson Rasher
09 Nov 2012 21:08:47
Why was Tom Ince released?
Use the search function.
Beat you to it ed :)
MIKEY {Ed003's Note - Use the ..... Damn.}
Because he's not good enough and his father stuck his nose in.
09 Nov 2012 21:06:58
Anyone know how the NextGen game went today?
ChrisE
LOST - What else!!!!!!!!
Rosenborg BK 3 - 0 Liverpool FC
Rosenborg 3 - 0 Liverpool
Check out : www.nextgenseries.com
Jargon .
Liverpool lost 3-0
That's because most of the one's showing high promise and good form have been shipped into help the first team.
Flanno, Wisdom, Suso and Sterling have made the mammoth step up and there is a bit of a vacuum. Rodolfo will do his best and that's as good as anyone.
Again look who's come from the youth since he's been there and the five years before.
09 Nov 2012 20:57:46
I really think that all we need to do to become a top 4 team again is:
1. play to a faster tempo
2. i often see in matches a RB or CB with the chance to play it to the midfielder but instead opt for a pass to another defender so no. BE MORE POSITIVE.
3. GET MEN IN THE BOX too often i see us with the ball in a great position and see that our front 3 or at least 2 of them has come short leaving one man in the top corner of the box. When barca do it there are always men looking to run throught the oppositions defence to recieve a lobbed pass.
4. Breed hendo and shelvey togather to form gerrard part 2. Heno has the technique butno composure, shelvey has the courage but no technique, you get the picture.
I would also like us to sign a striker and another forward and a midfielder.
derryred
Even though some of the football has been good to watch we do really overplay most time's! i would like us to rotate the formation i think 3 5 2 with wing back's would be our best formation! As the cb's get pulled out to wide from the centre leaving us very exposed when defending a counter attack! there's been a shortage of bodies in the box when we're on attack! with that formation i think it would pay dividend's! And playin a bit more forward ball's with a lot of intensity we could move further the league with that formation
09 Nov 2012 18:46:49
chaps, how good is this jackson martinez at porto that the bbc are linking us to?
genuinely top notch and therefore possibly more wishful thinking or not all that!?
He is a point man & a beast of a player at 6ft2...strong, fast, good with his feet (both), good in the air and very agile. all the things we need in a CF to be able to work with the system we have in place.
£18.5m buyout clause is well worth it if we sell Carroll for £17m.
The only thing is that we could have signed him for £6m last January but we decided not to spend money in that transfer window for some reason.
still very much worth it. that's a good price as well that reflects the bottom end of his value. and he sounds like a down to earth guy not big headed etc... {Ed002's Note - You may have been misinformed about what Porto will expect for the player in the summer.}
09 Nov 2012 19:43:22
have people checked our prem record to date we have only won two games out of ten . why our people happy with this. to win games you have to score goals swansea scored 39 and let in 41 last year first thing laudrup done when he went to swansea was to abandon tiki taka and go 4-4-2 with wingers like man utd have for the last 25 years and everton are emulating.
Because its against the law to say something bad about BR
The Bells
Its not that people are happy with the results in the own right but rather are able to see beyond the direct results and towards what we are trying to build. It is not a matter of not creating chances as I believe we are creating plenty. I dont see any issue with the general style of play of structure either. In the end, there is an over empowerment of the structure. 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 are different shapes of the same basic structure which change throughout the game. We just need to get used to the structure, positoning and tempo requirements and there have been plently of good signs. And most of all, finish our chances created.
Andy K
Every other team has an out and out striker , we are depending on 1 player , we are playing with a 17 year old who has taken the prem by storm and your bemoaning our luck , have the performances deserved only 2 wins no they have not is the 1 player we depend on near the top of the goal scoring chart , yes , so instead of looking at the bad points as in the games we have won and the teams we have played , look at how well we have done not to be in the bottom 3 and have faith that in january we will get a striker who will score and win us the games that our chances have warrented
mickey b
JFT96
Swansea still play 4-3-3 anyway, could be seen as 4-5-1 now but its not 4-4-2
Erm arnt sterling and downing wingersand suso also playing wide left mate its people like you who would of moaned about the wheel when it was invented 442 is a good way to play but over the years clubs have sused this formation out so you have to try other options and mate remember rome was not built in one day so get a grip will ye
09 Nov 2012 19:38:10
Ahoy -and may I just say that it is a fantastic time to be an LFC fan at the beginning of something that could be everything we have wished for during the previous 20 years.
Lets have a look at some obvious and oft overlooked facts of some of Premier League Clubs
Chelsea - Abramavich will get bored, they were nothing, have minimal history, no culture, employ a string of public hate figures and will not be a force when their Russian Billionaire finds a new toy.
Arsenal - They will need to change their manager and financial philosophy (not advisable) if they want to compete consistently.
Spurs - Never a threat, and never will be
Man City - see above Chelsea post, just not sustainable and not a long term venture.
Manchester United - Am I the only one who revels in the fact that every day is one day nearer Sir Alex retiring, there is no succession plan and whoever follows him has no chance of success and they will churn a manager every 18 months for 4 or 5 years - they're success is not sustainable as it is driven by one man who is nearly retired (and he should retire with his amazing record intact)
LFC - Let BR rebuild, lets give him time and sufficient money to plan and structure his vision, the football is good, he appears to be strong minded and not influenced by player power, and tactically aware (half time changes in the Derby).
Please don't just focus on the usual drivel and rubbish nonsensical questions that stack up on the Banter pages "Are we buying a 900 goal a season man on January the 9th at 11.14 am ED" " Will we sign Lavezzi" etc etc
Focus on how good we are starting to become, and how far the club has moved in 6 months - then look at our competition then you might be reminded why we are Liverpool fans.
BOILED ONIONS
How wrong you are on every point above.
I'll just address two of them:
Abramovich is now 10 years at chelsea with no let up and don't expect one any time soon.
In the last 10 years chelsea have built up quite a history.
Man City.
Have invested heavily in the future as well as the presenet and why not with the sheiks money he's only putting a pittance into city.
City have the best training facilites for recruiting new talent.
They are also building up an extensive scout network.
We at LFC are not going to get better on others misfortunates if thats what we want its the wrong approach.
I gave you an 'agree' due to the focus on the positives and vision of where we are heading however I think you have been unfair on some of the other teams and even more so focused on the other teams too much. If we get our house in order, let them worry about us. From what I hear, and it may not be worth much, Abramavich is a long term football fan and will be around for a while yet. Arsenal only need to refine their financial philosophy or win trophies to stop loosing their stars. Spurs I neither way about and it will be interesting to see what happens with City over the duration however they have a large & loyal fan base who travelled with them down to the third tier in massive numbers, I also believe they are developing a strong youth set up and have made some great long term pick ups off the field e.g. Tixi. Now, United. I dont count down the days until Fergie leaves, I want to at least catch them before he goes. Maybe wont happen, but there is not much I would enjoy than taking our perch back under his watch. Also, I believe that they will just about have their pick of suitors once SAF does call it a day.
Andy K
Spot on lad , all ive heard is how bad the result was the other night , but when we ruled europe years ago we went away and got beat by 1 goal then battered them at anfield and that was with the top team , we played with kids the other night and they done great , they never got the beating everyone was predicting , we have been unlucky again this season but our performances have deserved more and our mistakes are leading to goals , anyway if BR gets a top striker then a lot of fans on here will have egg on their faces it seems to me that no matter what BR does he will get slated fir it , suarez and gerrard will be fresh anf fit for chelski, i could not ask for more
Ahoy - my no name friend
I am not revelling in others misfortune simply pointing out that as we embark on our period of change some of our rivals are nearing the end of their odyssey or current situation.
Our LFC way is to evolve and build and become great again - not with an open cheque book of Oil money.
Also in regards to Chelsea 10 years is not a history.
If you want instant success the above named clubs might be better suited to your "loyal support"
Read the words of the club song you may understand the philosophy club.
FYI - the song is not "Keep The Blue Flag Flying"
BOILED ONIONS
If Chelsea have another 40 years of success in which the replicate the success of the last decade, they could nearly be at Liverpool's level in terms of history.
They still have no fans - and will be broke when he leaves.
Man City.....ditto.
Bernard.
City had huge crowds in the third tier so I dont think you can question them in terms of loyalty and support through think and thin.
Andy K
09 Nov 2012 21:43:37
Onions mate everything with your post is wrong.
Abramovich is not going to leave anytime soon at the same time he has invested in some of the best youngsters in the world hazzard or oscar and many more.
Manchester city is well equiped with their younsters and don't be shocked if they sack mancini and bring Guardiola or mourinho anytime soon.
Arsenal are very well run and one of the few clubs who make huge profits every year once wenger leaves they will be force again coz wenger policies are not working anymore and holding arsenal back. Once new manager comes in he will have money to spend and will spend
Bottom line is man city and Chelsea are going to dominate epl for another 10/15 years. Both clubs have best youngsters in the world have already built structure which is 7/8 years above us and will continue buying best youngsters in the world.
You've dismissed a lot of teams there without doing your homework! Boiled onions! More like boiled brains
Sounds more like sour grapes than onions to me.
You are misguided at best.
09 Nov 2012 19:01:22
Glen Johnston fit for Sunday! Thank the Lord! Who drops out Enrique or Wisdom. Do we even go for three CBs? Probably not after Coates performance midweek but got a good feeling about this, cmon you Redmen!!
Ciario
Didnt we play the second half against Everton with 3 centre backs?
Andy K
Wots wrong with Coates' performance?
I think he has been fantastic since the day he has come in
LiverBird
Glen on the left please....should be loads of room behind Ivanovic on the break. I think this is a winnable game.
Coates is slow and clumsy from day1. Will never be top notch. Bad scouting imo.
^ Yeah get in behind Ivanovic Glen's pretty quick so he could get sent off
09 Nov 2012 18:37:17
Hi Eds, do you think we actually have any chance of signing a forward who I'd good enough to play for us? Or will FSG be looking at cheap loan deals? {Ed019's Note - I think there a good chance we will}
I'd like to know who BR thinks is good enough to play in this wonderful system that involves not entering the penalty area. Having said that, there must be a few strikers around who fancy playing alongside Suarez.
AC never liked the penalty area that much maybe he can make a comeback!
I love Suarez and wouldnt swap him for near anyone but he is part of the problem with there not being enough bodies in the box. This is not a blame thing, just an observation. Because he turns so quickly and so often rather than holding up play, it doesnt give the other players enough opportunity to get in the box much of the time. This is why I would like to see him wide of just behind a 9. Not complaints about his individual performances but he does isolate himself a lot.
Andy K
Barca have the same problem with Messi :):)
kidmillions
Suarez has played well for Uruguay alongside either Forlan and Cavani or both.
Suarez 29 goals in 59 Internationals........
Cavani 12 goals in 44 Internationals.........
Forlan 33 goals in 93 Internationals..........
So whatever way you look at Suarez is a goals machine and will be even better if we can get at least one finisher to play alongside him and Sterling.
kidmillions
Nah i think we have too many ball watchers
09 Nov 2012 18:28:28
A couple of points after last nights game. Firstly the result cannot have been a surprise to anyone. But the game did highlight who should stay and who should go. WISDOM, FLANNERS, COATES, SUSO, SHELVEY to stay - all others out. Nowhere near good enough, and the club should stop paying Joe Cole any money and if Cole had any morals he would stop taking any money and leave ?
Secondly, I don't get why we cannot attack with pace and numbers. Its all sideways and backwards from too many players. We find Suso exciting because he gets the ball and runs at the opposition.
The pass to Downing on 44mins when he was pulling up his socks just about sums him up. We were slow , laborious and lacked any penetration.
Dont get what BR is doing. All of the players who played really well for the reserves in the 5nil win over wolves were not played ? Instead we were subjected to Cody and Morgan ( terrible)
Thought please !
DJC
So you thought coady had a bad game ? I must have been watching another game . They are young lads give them a break . Especially when the likes of cole and downing where supposed to be the experienced players .
YNWA
Jamesy
Kid Morgan and Coady both played well.
Mighty Reds
Coady and Morgan I think played well against difficult opposition.
Realistic red
Yes I also like having 18 players in the entire squad.
BthekingB
I agree entirely DJC. Sideways, backwards, sideways, backwards. It's getting boring. For the first time in years I actually consider leaving the ground at 60 mins it's that bad.
Allen slows things down, sits too deep. The idea of a holding midfielder is to enable the full backs to push up and get men in the box. We don't do that we just keep the ball and do nothing with it.
We are to reliant on kids. We need quality experience but FSG don't see contracts for the wrinkle brigade as financially prudent.
We are average. Look no further than Villa to see the yank outcome, that's where we are.
Ozone
Thought Flannagan played well, looked to have matured more since last season when his form talied off and he was diving into tackles all the time.
Looked composed on the ball and able to fit into Rogers system.
So...ozone....
Do u think allen playing deep has anything to do with lucas being out?
No wonder anfield is losing its atmosphere its got "fans" like u in there
I know if i was able to go week in week out id be singing my heart out not moaning
09 Nov 2012 18:17:35
Yer know when we actually had a boss team yer an we were doin things an even nearly won that league one year.....
Why did all the players just start gettin off?
Can't all be down to Hicks and Gillett?
Loosing alonso was our downfall we had a bad season that year after going so close the previous one like you said, then it was just down hill. but i honestly think liverpool are on the up
We only built for the short term and it caught up with us.
derryred
09 Nov 2012 22:27:24
Nope when we finished second we had tied deals for david villa and silva and promised Nando to challange top honours instead owners changed their minds in last minute and everything started going wrong where our rivals were spending. That's the reason why Nando talks about broken promises. We had tied early deals for villa and silva 13M and 15m same with Aguero 7M same with falcao 5m I can go on till 2morrow how we missed players coz of owners 2day we would be dominating world football
Oh yes it was. the original poster those two blood suckers nearly destroyed one of the finest football clubs in world football its going to take time before we get back to the force we once were. crawl walk run is how i see it.
gee man
09 Nov 2012 18:16:54
Great to see so many English players starting for Liverpool last night
The best clubs usually have a domestic player bias of at least 60%
09 Nov 2012 18:16:09
Hi Eds and fellow Reds, wanted to get an opinion.
We have slowly begun to change the club fundamentally in the way we operate, in terms of exploiting commercial revenue. A new stadium would have been a symbolic show of this, however the redevelopment of Anfield being a far more prudent, in terms of cost and i think in terms of timescale. The development and progression of the youngsters is also a very (if forced) prudent way of building a squad. However my concern is that, whilst we are slowly building, other top teams may slowly pull away and leave us still further away from the elite. An opinion that may be shared by other fans.
i fully understand and can only image how tough it is to change almost 20 years of lagging, with the exception of the little burst of injection the footballing side of the club got whilst RB was there. Would a a sizable cash injection increase the speed of us getting to where we want to be, enabling us to purchase the top players required to fully execute the BR system or as people call it tiki taka, or in my opinion the liverpool pass and move way, if so would the sum of £70million suffice, and could this be generated via selling shares to fans? that way those who a screaming for instant success can put their money where their mouth is. {Ed002's Note - Obviously the owners could sell part of the club, but it would be there money - not the club's.}
Thanks for your name
Muggitzo
Or we can wait patiently through the development and support our team until we are giants again, on and off the pitch, without any risk of us joining Rangers.
Andy K
09 Nov 2012 18:05:58
I hope we play with fire in our bellies on sunday get stuck into the chelsea team and win the second ball.For me its who ever wants it.
gee man
09 Nov 2012 18:05:45
Im kinda down in the dumps at the min with my beloved liverpool i like to think rodgers is are second coming like shanks was the first and changed liverpools fortunes. But reading peoples post on here about how rodgers has no clue,hasnt got a plan B,and being a one trick pony is worthy off any liverpool fan to actually believe it! when u think through the games so far this season but i believe rodgers will b come good hes still learning the game himself and time will prevail on where we are!
IN RAFA WE TRUST.
09 Nov 2012 15:54:49
Are will still owed money for 50 Mil Judas? If we are owed the 24 rather spend it elsewhere. {Ed052's Note - no}
I don't think judas ever played for lfc. A guy called Torres did and done very well. We also made a lot of money on him.
^ And he's very homesick!
09 Nov 2012 15:43:52
Kidmillions
Fair enough, mate. But I think it an irrational way of looking at it with anything but a proper/ outcome.
Efficiency, not just effectiveness, is a big factor.
You always wanna do something with the minimal waste of time, energy, resources and money.
Coming to Suarez, his conversion ratio is of the worst in the league, and compared with the other ('top') forwards in Europe.
He ordinarily needs roughly 4, 5 chances to score one goal. I would say that even for an 'average' striker, this is certainly unimpressive.
Conversely, the likes of Higuain, Soldado, Hernandaz, Podolski, Ba, Persie, Kun, Tevez, Benzema, Rooney and Falcao need far less of those chances to score.
Suarez may well have racked a shedload of goals as you, but the fact remains that his conversion ratio is way below par.
He misses more than he scores. That's what is stopping him being the best striker in the world.
Suarez has far more in his game than Higuain, Soldado, Hernandaz, Podolski, Ba, Persie, Kun, Tevez, Benzema, Rooney and Falcao. Only thing these guys have over him is goals.
Apart from a poor conversion ratio, he's excellence personified. Drive, desire, determination, skill, unparalleled close control and dribbling, agility, presence of mind, ingenuity vision, passing, ability to finish with eitheq foot, heading ability, movement, work ethic etc.
The bloke has it in abundance. It's just the finishing/conversion ratio.
Shore that up and he'll duly take up his position as the best striker in the world.
You are right, kidmillions, about him being the more complete striker, but right now that's just potential. It's up to Luis to sort it out and step it up a level.
It would have been interesting to see what Rafa could have done with Luis. He had a way about improving players and refining the 'minor' details.
It was under his tutelage that Fernando became the finest no.9 in the world.
Talking about Rafa, ed001, I've heard that our ex Spanish mentor did consider Suarez, I think the season before he left. Any truth to it?
Prospero
I dont care how many chances he needs the fact of the matter is hes creating chances and thats more important i think hes doing brillant so far. also how many of those chances has he made out of nothing there isnt to many players that can do what he does he needs help the sooner he gets then i bet his goals will flow even more but i think hes done a sound job so far this season.
gee man
If Suarez needs 4 or 5 chances to score a goal and he's scored 10 already this season, how many chances does he scrap out of nothing? 40-50 chances on goal in 16 games this season. See it from that point of view, he makes things happens and if nothing else is productive, even if you complain he's not finishing 1 in 3 of his chances.
He's doing well and moaning about someone who is scoring and seemingly settled and tied down on a long contract should at least offer some peace of mind at this stage. All the players have yet a new manager with new tactics and ideas.
Suarez is the only one putting the ball in the back of the net.
If it's not his cultural clashing, it's his theatrics, if not his theatrics, it's his attitude, if not his attitude it's that he doesn't convert enough of his chances. I suppose i should take some hope that the latest complaint is at least about kicking a ball into the back of the net, as for a time it hasn't been.
Luis Suarez's Premier League conversion rate is 14% this season, up from 10% in 2011-12 and 9% in 2010-11. Rooney for example is only on 11%....
The Uruguayan has been directly involved in 82% of Liverpool's goals this season, only Steven Fletcher (100%) has been more important for his club in the Premier League. Suarez is ranked above the likes of Silva and Mata for assists this season and is without doubt the most talented player in the Premier League. But the pundits don't band this about, as they still consider him a cheat and a diver...YNWA Luis..
Read David Prentice article on Suarez tonight and you will see that the poster Prospero is talking poo and is just guessing about statistics concerning King Luis.
Prospero. Suarez playing for Liverpool a club that has been in turmoil and transition from more or less the day he walked through the door makes his stats even more impressive when compared to players you mentioned who are all at more settled clubs.
kidmillions
I agree with you there kid millions . Its mouth watering to even think what damage the wee man will do with a top class strike partner and a more settled team.
gee man
I have studied the style,way or the nature of Suarez's play.....
To me he is very much similar to Messi,not as good as him obviously.
BR's job should be to keep him as near as possible to the 18 yard box rather than looking for a number 9.....The stype of play Rodgers wants to impose needs a false 9 and Suarez is the man.....very much similar to the way Guardiola pushed him more towards the goal rather than away from it......
For this he would need two very good inside forwards....Borini I dont think is one.....Neither is Stering, atleast at this age....
I would not be very surprised if he is not looking at Tello.....I find Tello frighteningly good....So one guy with the pace and trickery like Tello and another like Pedro (one of the most underrated players in the game)......
Buying a number 9 may well be a mistake....He may suffer the same fate like Andy Carroll, whom I have always rated highly. Our team is built around Suarez. Our play must go through him,.something which may not suit a number 9........
LiverBird
09 Nov 2012 15:42:44
Didnt Mike Marsh state a few weeks ago that Michael Ngoo was the next in line to make a breakthrough into a first team squad? He plays a central striker role (most of th time) for the U-21s. Why not give the kid a go in one of the Europa matches, even coming off the bench? What is there to lose we cant look anymore toothless than we already do. Also Suso looked fantastic in the midfield attacking role when he came on yesterday. Receives and turns with the ball so well and nearly always makes intelligent decisions when releasing. Much better than Shelvey there any day of the week. Shelvey should play deeper for me or not at all.
Ciario
He gets a lot of goals, but my gosh isn't he wasteful and clumsy at times. He's huge compared to many of the opposition and team mates he plays with, but he gets goals.
I'm with Mike Marsh, give him a go, if not for anything else that he has the same element that Crouch had, you watch but deep down you know it's very wrong. :)
I just defended Suarez's apparent wasteful ratio in front of goal, so i'm not going to get on Ngoo's back, if Marshy said he's earned it, then that's more than good enough for me. Com'on Ngoo.
Shelvey's doing really well and he's only 20. Jonjo Le Tissier in time.
You're fools if you genuinely think we would play ngoo. He has no technical ability what so ever his finishing is generally poor and he only scores goals because he's bigger and stronger than the opponents, Which wouldn't be the case if he was playing against EPL CB's so then all he would have going for him is how unpredictable he is which could be a problem to
09 nov 2012 15:40:48
reina jones
johnson wisdom
(taylor £10m) robinson
lucas henderson
skrtel kelly
agger coates
allen (sahin £12m)
gerrard shelvey
(walcott £10m) stirling
(huntelaar £6m) borini
suarez suso
plus: gulasci, flanaghan, sama, coady, yesil, morgan, assiadi
out:
doni
carragher
cole
wilson £1m
enrique £5m
spearing £2m
pacheco £2m
downing £7m
carroll £15m
total spend of £6m
doni, carragher, cole, enrique and downing are on combined wages of around 350k a week!
I'd sooner give Robinson a game, rather than spend £10m on Taylor (who's out for a year with a broken ankle) Thank god your not in charge of the clubs finances!
Still a poor squad
09 Nov 2012 15:01:35
I don't know about you eds or sane LFC fans but whenever a poster uses the term "marquee signing" I feel like pulling my hair out. I can't believe how far apart us fans are! A fan is supposed to "support" the team do I really need to define the term support to the deluded fans who want to turn on the team at every tough time? That's not a "supporter" that is a glory hunter ! A person who only wants to "support" the team when we are winning - a real "supporter" is there when we are losing too and backs everyone involved in the team - offering their "support" yes I do have views that may differ with FSG and Rodgers but I will never turn my back on the reds and be negative against them. I will "support" their vision and see where it goes. If it works which I think it will then great but if it doesn't then ok let's try something else
Support - "give moral, physiological support, aid and courage to"
Example "the fans supported the team even through bad times"
Red Rom YNWA {Ed052's Note - I agree mate. I dont care who signs for us, how badly or well they play, whether they deserve their wages or not, I will support them til the sun goes down. And it shouldn't matter is we sign a big tent player or a small tent player, we should back the manager with who he signs}
Hurrah for the most intelligent post I have read on here in ages Red Rom. Can't for the life of me understand most of the so called fans on here. We have had 20 odd years of reasonable success albeit minus the premiership. Expecting the current regime to turn around this club in a couple of weeks/months is mind boggling. I've seen better support lately from non league clubs who never win anything and struggle day to day to run their clubs. You support your team because you love it win lose or draw,whoever wears the shirt or manages it. You might not always agree with team selection or tactics but its no reason to be disrespectful no matter the result. A great team takes time to develop, a great manager needs time to develop his team. A great fan doesn't need anything only love for his team no matter who they support. Pass judgement when Brendan Rodgers has been afforded the time to field his first choice squad, players he has chosen to bring in not just inherit. Over the coming months he will know who has a future here and who doesn't. It's not a short term fix that's not going to last, but a strategic development of the club from top to bottom to guarantee a long term future for our club. With a little luck and a lot of hard work success will come, so be patient, remember why you support us and do just that support. Simonpw
I get that whole ''Marquee signing'' thing. It doesn't always work but i understand why.
I also understand that what is a Marquee signing for one club is different to another, Southampton signing Gaston Ramirez did for their ticket sales and shirt sales no harm at all. Although it hasn't seemed to pay off in the League, direct into points but they were hot favourites to get relegated before his signing anyway.
So i understand it from different clubs positions and agendas at different times. Us signing Torres when we did was a ''Marquee signing'' no question. Chelsea signing him was a ''Marquee signing'' is more or less just a big top filler. It's a marketing thing really.
If we've learned anything over watching Joe Cole and his 90K a week in his last 2 starts, compared to the heart and desire someone like Flanno or Wilson have shown and the passion they can't help to hide for combined fee which is still less than a 3rd of Cole's wagers. We can see that it might not be a ''necessary requirement'', which some fans seem to get depressed over.
Liverpool fill their stadium, i haven't got a ticket since 2000 0-0 vs Middlesbrough at home when Gerrard had a header from a corner disallowed and Paul Ince who had recently moved to Boro from Liverpool, was wagging his finger at us fans with a evil transfixed smile on his face after the referee said no. What a reaction he got. I can't repeat what the two very mature ladies with their Grandson said, but he and i both went bright red with embarrassment.
Lucas, not a big signing even though he was an awarded Brazilian youth coming to England, he had a tough first few seasons but pulled through and proved to us all for the overwhelming majority that he really wants to do his bit and more and he's become more appreciated at Liverpool that Aquilani has been at any club since he stepped away from his comfort zone of the Italian capital.
So i understand, don't always agree with it, but it's for more than just on field reasons.
Raising the profile of the club might be one reason for one chairman. Also it's raises the Asian player discussion, opening a fan base and business marketing model in an area previously never looked at, such as was discussed when we were linked with Honda and how shirt sales and player image rights could possibly be very good in terms of club finances. But we are far away from 11 vs 11 on the pitch at 3 o'clock on a Saturday at this point.
I prefer the term "Galactico" to "Marquee signing"
08 Nov 2012 23:20:44
Question for eds, do you know of any interest Liverpool or any other club in two Norwegian players. Nicklas Helenius or Mushaga Bakenga? Thanks.
Lee {Ed002's Note - Helenius is Danish - I don't know of interest in either and both are playing at a pretty low level of the game.}
09 Nov 2012 14:14:53
My biggest concern is that despite having all this ballť we just never look like we are going to score. We never run in behind, there is no penetration and nobody getting in there from midfield. Don't commit anywhere near enough players into our attacks. It seems to me the Rodegr's philosophy of ball possession is purely a prudent, defensive tactic.
It is slow and ponderous and any half decent defence is well set by the time we have played 10 passes between the back four and keeper. And I am yet to see any of this pressing game he has promised.
I am all for keeping possession but there has to be a greater attacking purpose. One of my favourite teams to watch at the moment is Dortmund. I love the relentless chasing and harrying without the ball, and the quick incisive passing with runners from everywhere with it.
Dortmund have some extremely talented players no doubt but so do we believe it or not. I believe a better attacking emphasis could see us win many more games then we currently do.
I know he is new and it takes time but for my mind it is far too negative and slow and he is far more interested in how much possession and pass accuracy stats. I think we have gone worse as a team attacking compared to last season (Suarez aside) Personally, I'd much rather be beaten by having ago at teams then sitting back waiting.
PS if you play 10 games, win 6 and lose 4 “ that is 18 points.
If you play 10 games win 2, draw 6 and lose 2 “ that is only 12.
Draws are nothing - Die trying!
Thanks,
Davey
Take a point on sunday though mate
Pricey :)
It'll take time to perfect. At the moment Rodgers is just building a foundation and in 2 to 3 years you will see more attacking play.
BthekingB
09 Nov 2012 16:32:11
Spot on mate if you see bilbao or barca or arsenal they attack every 2/3 minutes which becomes very tough for opposition where we pass more back or side ways even when we are 1-2 down. Dormund play counter attacking footy compare to us. Eg with city they had 37% possession or with madrid 28% of possession. Thise is what Rafa used when he was our manager his footy was based on counter attacking thats the reason why we dominated in europe.
I would say it is the reason we were successful in Europe, not dominated it. The counter attacking style was also why we drew so often in the league which cost us. The best we played under Rafa, when we came second, was the second half of the season when we dominated games, including possession, and didnt play the Rafa style, in my humble opinion.
Andy K
09 Nov 2012 13:48:32
Morgan was great yesterday I'm glad he had such a good game after his last one. He looked sharp and skillfull and was good at linking up play, I hope to see him get more chances in the coming games now.
Coady was also excellent it was almost like having Lucas back in the team.
Would be great to see him get a few games in the PL in the holding role with Allen back in his best position and gerrard/shelvey/sahin further up.
Maybe even get Morgan in the strikers role as well.
--------coady--------
---gerrard----Allen---
Suarez--------sterling
--------Morgan--------
MIKEY
He was not great what game were you watching.
09 Nov 2012 14:57:56
I don't see him playing in the prem,better players ahead of him and rightly so. I do agree though that he did himself no harm,and agree about Morgan too. Has the future ever looked so good?
Kelly,Wisdom,Sterling and Suso have saved us some major dosh in the transfer market.
Also consider this,Every single player,at every single club,is the product of somebody's academy,so that should dispell the myth that academy players never make it.
I think it was Rafa that said,the work at the academy will take time,maybe 5 years. We are starting to see results.
Thank you Rafa
WelshBoyDave
Who would you put ahead of coady welsh boy? He didn't set the world alight no but he was solid, and the team was all over the place when he was taken off.
I think in the past it was only our accademy players that never made it welsh boy, the only exceptions being gerrard and owen of recent times, but we have them coming through thick and fast now, maybe in another 5-10 years our team will be mostly made up of our own home grown.
Maybe rafa will end up being remembered for Istanbul but maybe his best acheivment might end up being the starting up of the worlds greatest academy.
MIKEY
I though that in a short period of years we had quite a few come through under Evans. James, McManaman, Redknapp, Fowler, Owen, Gerrard, Jones, Matteo, Carragher etc. Were they all through our juniors? Being in Australia and not having the internet at the time, I could be quite wrong but I thought that whole S'pice Boys' generation were developed from within before Houlier decided France was our new academy?
Andy K
10 Nov 2012 07:01:37
I think its just when you consider the midfield options mate,Jonjo,Nuri,Stevie,Lucas Joe and Hendo are all ahead and rightly so,however he made a good debut,and can be proud of himself. Depending on how the 5th Europa league game goes,he may get a run out against Udinese,failing that,i think it depends on the F.A cup draw.
Just my opinion mate.
WelshBoyDave
09 Nov 2012 13:47:25
Prospero.. You need to do some research? you said.. Hernandez, Ba, Rooney, Podolski, Higuain, Benzema, Soldado are all more prolific and better finshers than Suarez.
This is just not true! Luis Suarez is a more prolific goalscorer than any of the players you mentioned above. So I have posted these stats so no one is in any doubt whatsoever as to what an absolute gem of a player we have in Luis Suarez. There's also the fact that Suarez is younger than most of the above.
.................BENZEMA..........................
Club games..296.....Goals...138..............
International games...54...Goals 15........
.................PODOLSKI.........................
Club games...305....Goals 116...............
International games..103... Goals...44.....
.................ROONEY..........................
Club games 452.... Goals..... 201..........
International games... 78.. Goals ..32....
.................DEMBA BA.......................
Club games....201..... Goals....100........
International games.. 16..... Goals 4.....
..................HIGUAIN........................
Club games...276..... Goals...126..........
International games 30...... Goals...16...
..................HERNANDEZ.....................
Club games.....169..... Goals ....65.........
International games..43.... Goals 28........
...................SOLDADO........................
Club games.... 170.... Goals... 85............
International games ... 6 ...... Goals 4.....
..................SUAREZ...........................
Club games ... 296..... Goals.... 169.......
International games..54.... Goals... 28....
You could also say that Suarez is a better and more complete footballer than any of the above.
kidmillions
09 Nov 2012 15:00:14
You must take into account the different leagues the goals were scored in. Eredivise isn 't as tough as La Liga.
WelshBoyDave
Which league did he play in ?
You're also ignoring attempts on goal. Suarez has an absolute ton of them, the vast majority of which are off target.
Goal scorer yes, clinical finisher absolutely not.
Include assists in all professional games in the career of these players.
If we are to go on ''productivity'' when on the pitch, it needs to be included when you compare number 9's who have different roles in the team than say 10's or 7's.
You're comparing some of the best out and out strikers to some deep laying between the line type strikers.
The point is Suarez has the best goals to games ratio of any of the above. Who incidently all play for top teams with a settled Club structure. Suarez meanwhile still comes out on top even though LFC have in been turmoil and transition and struggling for consistency from more or less the day the lad walked through the door. So I think he's done and is doing fantastically well.
kidmillions
Welshboydave. You could go on all day with that line, Rooney for example? How many have been penalties or scored against teams in the bottom half of the Prem? Quite a lot I would say. I think the best guage is International games as your playing with and against the best players most of the time and Suarez comes out well on that score as well.
kidmillions
Well you are and that's obvious.
Rooney plays at least 30 minutes a match behind the half way line. Suarez does a lot of work away from the box as well.
Benzema is a box lurker, in a sense he's a proper striker out and out and plays on the last man.
If a players job is to drive the ball into the box for his team mate and you try and compare his stats to a Striker who never had such a job to do before and only worried about finishing, then assists being included would provide another aspect of productivity when playing.
That's a truthful statement, not some attempt to suppress the fact you don't want to portray the truthful productivity of these players, as you have an agenda, possibly.
All of those players played in those leagues. But you also have to account or the quality of the players around the player if you want to do anal. Kidmillions, you point if valid and anyone else who says otherwise is as dumb as charlie sheen.
AnfieldUSA
10 Nov 2012 13:01:55
Fair enough kidmillions. Stats with good reasoned arguments seem hard to come by.
WelshBoyDave
09 Nov 2012 13:43:49
Hi Eds. Quick question, why on earth did we let Tom Ince go? {Ed052's Note -Attitude, his demands for money, and because we have far better players coming through in his position; Sterling, Ibe, Petersen etc}
Tom Ince was sold because of an interview his Father gave on a website while froth was coming out of the corners of his mouth. Complaining about his boys contract and how he wasn't being appreciated and that he was a lot better than other senior players in the squad at the time squad, right or wrong you don't go on T.V and run business like that, well Paul Ince does.
But i might be wrong. I read Tom was a great lad and idolized his Father's achievements in the game so much that he won't ask him to back off.
09 Nov 2012 13:37:57
All is well in Europa. The group is still nice and packed and we are where we want to be, in the qualifying position. We play young boys at home which I fully expect us to win playing our better youngsters (suso, assaidi, Pacheco, Robinson, yesil) and obviously a few of the more senior players (carra, Henderson, shelevy, downing) but we need to make sure we at least have gerrard and Suarez on the bench as impact subs. If we win we've basically qualified, especially if anzhi win or draw. All we want to do is qualify at the end of the day 1st or 2nd. So all is well, but no excuses against Chelsea on Sunday.
Take a point now
Pricey :)
No excuses against chelsea? so a 3-0 win to us then? you do realise its going to be possibly the toughest game of the season dnt you? i think you put too much pressure on the squad in my opinion if we get out with a point i would be more than happy with that, a win would be fantastic.
ian the red
I think he is saying that there are no excuses based on 'tiredness' rather than no excuses for not winning.
Andy K
09 Nov 2012 13:18:31
It takes time for players to adjust to the premier league. I wouldn't consider buying a striker from a foreign league for January. It was only 2 weeks ago when people were saying Suarez isn't a real striker. People didn't want to give him time & in the premier league it takes time. People think we will just bring in Eriksson in January & he'll just wave his magic wand & win us games. People need to get real because the most likely strikers are Sturridge or maybe Walcott & for the right price. Neither would be my first choice but atleast they are proven to score goals in the Premier League when played in a system which allows them to get in scoring positions. Or we could always buy Abra Kadabra for £50m & pay him £250k a week. He isn't really a finisher but at least he'll get us 20+ goals a season but i think he wants Champions League football though.
Do you think you can do a player profile on this Abra cadabra ed? Sounds a good prospect lol
MIKEY {Ed052's Note - Yes, Mikey, will do ASAP..}
I amazes me when people talk about the premiere league and how fast paced it is and how it takes time for players to adjust.
it hasn't stopped all of Europe tanning all the English teams this season.
players sometimes need time to adjust to the style of play that their new teams play not the league.
How many worldclass english players play abroad errrrrr exactly.
english football is gash simples.
How many worldclass english players play abroad errrrrr exactly.
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Why would decent English players leave the best league in the world and go abroad ? there is no tinted glasses here the EPL is the best most popular and most watched around the world, thats the reason why foreign players love to join an English club and thats why our best stay in this league.
Roy
It is not that the EPL is better all round quality, just harder and faster. That does not mean you are the best, just that it is a different style to adjust too. And it takes time for many to settle anywhere.
Andy K
09 Nov 2012 12:59:19
One player id love to see in a Liverpool shirt is Benteke! Probably no chance of that happening anytime soon though..
Apples ;96;
09 Nov 2012 12:46:07
Are we looking at any celtic players? They have some real young talent in their squad and will become prem players soon. And we need to look at Celtic scouting system, they seem to get young players who no ones heard of but are quality. {Ed052's Note - Hooper, Watt}
Hooper lol and watt 1 win against barca and mass hysteria 3 days ago if ud of been told we were going to sign watt ud be asking who WATTwhy and when get a grip
Watt has been quite the performer in the youth levels and that will get you noticed by coaches and scouts who are given the criteria to seek young and raw talents.
So, we have to be fair, we don't know all the facts but an Ed or Two have sung his praises for quite a while now.
09 Nov 2012 17:20:59
Watt had a week long trial here before he went to Celtic, so our interest in him isn't based of a winner against Barca in the CL.
- Something Red -
09 Nov 2012 12:08:47
Ok Realistically (yes if there was a bottomless pit of money i would choose 4 or 5 players) I think we may get two players in January; I also believe with the return from Injury of certain players this could make a huge difference to us.
If we can get a mobile striker that is capable of scoring and a wide ish player capable of scoring on a regular basis I think this would improve our team considerably (I'll wait for the no sh1t comments ;o))
I think the general play has been excellent in most games where we've fielded a strong line up; also the ability to get players coming from the bench to improve the game (e.g. Suso) would be adventagious to him as well (more space; players tired etc.).
I'm disappointed by a number of results; wins and draws when we've completely dominated and loses when we've not played well or deserved the victory.
But overall I have been impressed with our play; if we can get 10-15% more between now and the end of season (players returning from Injury / 2 new players) and the same again next year I think we will have a lot less doubters (except after we lose a game ;o) ).
Just my thoughts - I remember a few seasons ago when playing a team like last night got us knockedout of the cup at anfield against a League 2 team.... doesn't seem too bad now does it ;o)
Hoola
09 Nov 2012 11:53:01
Just passing on what I have heard on the grapevine.
I'm afraid those fans expecting Eriksen, Huntelaar (about to sign a new deal at Schalke) and Llorente in January are going to be sadly disappointed.
Brendan Rodgers is looking at players that won't cost the earth, who will accept a modest wage in line with the frugal budget coming into force at Anfield.
Denis Praet, Gary Hooper and Tomer Hemed are the current targets who are most likely to join in January. F.S.G are said to be keen for Rodgers to claw back as much money as he can in January by offloading the likes of Doni, Joe Cole and Stewart Downing if possible. So perhaps expect three in, three out come New Year.
As I said, I'm just passing on what I've heard. I'm sorry if you don't like it, so please don't all bite at once! {Ed052's Note - I think most of us would prefere low wage, low risk and low transfer players who actually want to play for the club rather than mercenaries who rip the club off with high wages then fail to perform.}
A modest wage :) I did some work a few years back at a Tranmere Rovers players house, think he was on about 4k a week. There was stacks of money just lying round everywhwere.
kidmillions
Actually Ed, I wouldn't mind a player or players in between what you say, as I don't want any more squad players, but some who can come in and straight away improve our first team especially on the goal scoring front. We can't afford the other type sadly. Saying that, I definitely want players who want to join US and who want to make this project work, maybe even be the missing link we keep talking about. I still remember a certain Australian player was supposed to be that missing link all those years ago.
Keith
As an Aussie, I was pumped at the news of Harry joining my Reds, and in theory, much like Riera, he was a player that showed the right qualities to fill that gap, alas he rarely played and was a huge let down. If only we had the Leeds Harry at Anfield. Still, I think Leeds wish they had the Liverpool Fowler at Elland Road too.
Andy K
09 Nov 2012 11:45:46
I don't see that bringing in the so-called 'goalscorer' in January is going to significantly change our fortunes.
To say otherwise would be simplistic.
The problem with Liverpool is that we don't play properly enough to create genuinely dangerous situations. Our play is such that even a prolific finisher like Javier Hernandez will struggle achieve a similar goals ratio like that at Utd.
The type of chances we create are largely half-chances at best which most decent strikers would have great difficulty putting away.
This is why Suarez, who creates and has our most chances, tends to score very exceptional goals. Hernandez, Ba, Rooney, Podolski, Higuain, Benzema, Soldado, some of the game's good finishers, would have little success trying to emulate Suarez... and these guys are often to invariably more prolific than him.
We don't put it on the platter, that's our problem, and that has to do with the way we play. For instance, we don't put enough men in the opposition's box, and, as Rodgers noted after the barcode game, our players- presently- just aren't exploit Suarez's excellent movement and the space he creates.
The reason Suarez dribbles and keeps the ball longer than would normally be necessary is because of the lack of support.
At Ajax he had such support, was handed chances on a platter and duly put them away. They were the most clearest cut chances.
Even in his first few months with us, he was able to get on the end of many clear chances. I remember towards the end of 2010/11 we were blowing teams away, Maxi was banging hattricks non-stop.
We would swamped the oppo's box and clear chances were created.
Even last, some of the goals we scored at Stamford Bridge were functions of very clear chances.
Maxi and Bellamy were key. Their movement sensational. Maxi, in particular, was the only Liverpool player who was on the same wavelength as Suarez.
Most of our clear-cut chances (and subsequently goals) came when these two were on the field together.
I don't know the reasons behind his departure, but Maxi was damn intelligent footballer. Remarkable movement and top finishing.
I honestly would have kept him.
There's no doubt in my mind that he'd be easily up there in scoring charts. He's exactly the sort of player this 'new system' needs.
I digress. I remain unconvinced that the mere arrival of 'new goalscore' would solve all our problems. Until our play changes, we break quickly, put men in the oppo's box and create clear chances, there's little Huntelaar, or any half-decent forward, can do to change our fortunes, as they want it largely on the platter.
Tap-ins and rebounds are a good indicator of the point I'm making. How many of our goals are (simple) tap-ins? How many are converted rebounds?
How many are from a pull-backs into the area and a man simply rolling the ball into the net? I could count them in one hand.
This is what has to change. For all the 'possession' and 'dominance', the fact of the matter is that not enough clear chances are being created.
Huntelaar, Walcot, or whoever it is that comes, will make little difference if we continue playing improperly the way we are doing.
Prospero
Good post mate...good valid points..
wen torres was at liverpool..
he had excellent pass from gerrard, alonso, benayon, riera, babel and kuyt..and that was the reason he hada such a great spell at anfield..
if we buy a prolific goal scorer and play henderson, downing, and allen in the team.
he will be isolated..
we actually dont have a nasri, silva, carzola type player..who sits behind the striker and have a free roam..
we only have on in suarez, who have to create, and also have to finish...
i dont trust any other player who will score double figure goals for us apart from suarez...
we need creativity, flair, pace and skill in our midfield...
bellammy was a real pace on the right side...
maxi was an intellegent player..who always be in the box..and score those tap ins..if we buy a striker up front..
suarez gerrard and another right sided atatcker should play behind so called our no.9..
It's because we don't have enough depth in the squad. We don't have that striker that can come of the bench and grab us a goal so yes a quality striker is what we've needed since January last year. When you constantly rely on youngsters playing week in week our our not going to get the results. We don't have that player that makes the run so gerrard or Sahin can pick then out. I've seen a few runs from borini that suggests if their is a better quality striker playing in a front 3 of Suarez sterling/assaidi then we would be scoring a lot more goals. Suso does not play RW, he is a cam simple as that so he's not going to score a forwards amount of goals. Sterling has had the chances in front of goal, do you think an experienced clinical striker would miss them?
You need a better evaulation of what's going on mate. It's the fact that the club is tight on money otherwise Brendan would have already bought a striker.
Exactly...People says wen FSG took over we were a bunch of crap players..
apart from suarez 25 mill...who is the star in our team since 2 years?
we had money..lets be honest..we have spent close to chelse and city in last two years..
and we bought rubbishs..
common i still cant believe...we bought downing just to supply cross for caroll for combined 55 mil?
i was in shock...
kk was dreaming of late 70 and 80..
one tall striker and a cross to the box..
rafa did some damage to the club..but he made our academy stronger..
if he sold alonso..he bought him too..
its his purchase are still remeberd..
alonso, reina, torres,
KK..took us from a hell..
and left again in that hell...
Will post the stats for you: Think you'll find Suarez is a more prolific goalscorer than any of the players you mentioned.
kidmillions
09 Nov 2012 11:10:34
I am of out in a wee bit and just wanted to clear up some of the Redknapp rubish that some are spouting.
West Ham - good football - relegated - nearly bankrupted
Southampton- Relegated -basically bankrupted
Portsmouth -Relegated - ****'D - may disappear forever.
Tottenham - great football but now need champions league every season to pay squad wages or will need to sell massively . Already seen top players sold to help balance books.
I actually like Redknapp but every time he leaves the club almost collapse due to his transfer dealings .
I hope this will put to bed some of the Redknapp In BR out rubbish .....end of!
Kobi
Kobi
West Ham didnt get relegated under Redknapp. They got relegated 2 seasons after. They also had one of the best youth teams around under him (rio, lampard, cole, carrick etc)
Also if you look at Redknapps transfers at Portsmouth (the players he purchased and were then eventually sold), he made a decent profit on them. Wages paid however might be s different issue. Something that i have no knowledge of.
The Irish Rover
Precisely why he would have been good for England.
Whether you are pro or anti Redknapp is somewhat irrelavant in my eyes when you take into consideration the model of self sustainability the owners have against the model that Redknapp has worked with. I dont want Redknapp anywhere near the club myself, unless he is a paying customer or opposition manager but that is not my point. I just do not believe that Harry aligns to the values and beliefs of our owners. And for the record, I believe far more in the FSG vision than his.
Andy K
I like redknapp but the same people who want him in think that rodgers is small time. Their arguement for rodgers being small time is that he hasn't won anything. Now, apart from an FA Cup, what has redknapp won in a career that has spanned much longer than rodgers. They say rodgers failed at reading, well didn't redknapp get relegated with southampton.
derryred
09 Nov 2012 10:27:14
utd fan in peace. I have to admire how rodgers is giving so many of your youth players their chance and theres no doubt you have a lot of talented youngsters, the only thing ive noticed is that rodgers way of playing,even if it is the liverpool way,is the only way he knows, he doesnt seem to know how to change a game or have a plan B so if these youngsters are only being taught to play the 1 way,how are they going to improve? what rodgers is doing reminds me in a way of when fergie brought the nevilles,scholes,beckham,butt and giggs etc through at the same time but if things wernt going right in a game,fergie always had a plan B and the players knew how to change a game,im afraid i cant see this with rodgers,things might change but if your youngsters cant progress only knowing how to play 1 way, i wouldnt be getting as excited as many of you are. this isnt a wind up lads so some decent replies would be welcome.
phil
Fair point mate, hopefully a bigger squad will give us more flexibility in terms of tactics .I would say though that the great teams tend to impose their style of play onto the opposition .
kobi
Giggs, butt, Nevilles, Scholes and Beckham were not brought thru all at once. They were introduced between 1991 and 93.
The Irish Rover
We never had a plan B in the seventies and eighties. You just need the right players for plan A and plan B will not be required.
A+ = B- = A
kidmillions
Phil,
I agree that Rodgers does not know what to do when things go wrong. i do like that he is given the young players a chance which most managers fear to do. I don,t understand how in Rodgers systems he likes to play 2 out and out wingers yet gets ride of Carroll and tries to throw balls into Suarez at 5ft 8. We need Carroll back to knock down these balls and then Suarez to use his skill on the floor. Another issue is that Rodgers isn't getting much cash to spend on decent player and is being told he has little money to spend on younger up and coming players which is leaving Liverpool further and further behind the top 4 teams.
Baz
Its pro football and there is coaches at liverpool who have trained the best players in the world so i think they are getting the best pos education in football.in respect of the 1st team there is a lot of changes going and jose quick thinking pass to suarez on sunday was something different imo.to compare brendan to fergie its not the 90s you need to look at its 86/87 season utd werent much kop for fergies first few seasons remember that its all this sensationalisation of football all fickle fans imo. give brendan 3 to 4 years see were we are then and we can start truthfully see how good he is giving the right support from owners and fans.tommy Irish Red
Irish rover maybe i should have worded it better but you know what i mean. well if you never had a plan B in the 70's and your players made it work, its not saying much for the current crop,remember its rodgers who will be teaching them his way of playing,cant see how they can improve if he only knows 1 way of playing,some of the players will have to take it upon themselves to change the game in their own way,time will tell i suppose.
phil
09 Nov 2012 11:23:20
Baz,
Suarez is 5ft 11inches and has scored as much, if not more headers for liverpool than Carroll has... Carroll is a target man, you need poachers to get on the end of crosses..
YNWA! (Adam)
Do Barcelona have a 'Plan B', as they usually get through games, bar Chelsea parking the bus, the odd match against the likes of RM and a spirited performance by Celtic the other night?
Fresh legs can do wonders at times and why I'd like to see Sterling more of an impact substitute, although I know some of the reasons he starts games these day.
Keith
Phil.. players are coached to play within the framework of a system but anyone who knows anything about football would know that Football is a game that's played "Off the Cuff".. so to speak within that framework? ie really good players react to any situation on the field at any given time to make it work.
kidmillions
How can you even think that Rodgers has no Plan B or doesn't know what to do in times of trouble? Just 12 days ago, against Everton, he saw what was happening in the first half, made substitutions at half time, changed the formation and changed the shape of the midfield. Possession % and control of the game shifted completely in our favour. This allowed LFC to snatch a draw out of certain defeat. Too many people have very short memories out here. ra1969
Cant believe...someone still supporting caroll..
mate go to your field..and try a football on ur feat...you could control it better than caroll..
A player who have only way to score...head, head, head, head..
he is the worst no,9 i hvae seen in lfc and england..
Yes,read my 2nd post thats what i said will have to happen, what im saying is its not happening at the moment is it?so is it because your young players arnt good enough to play 'off the cuff' or are they just doing what their told to do by rodgers?he knew andy carroll would play a different way to what he wants and had him out,maybe some of the players are afraid to try something different to what rodgers wants in case he drops them,i wouldnt say your playing with fear but id say your players are hesitant about playing any other way to what he wants and im afraid thats what looks like is needed.
phil
Err it was 2-2 when he made the changes - or are you saying he got the initial tactics wrong?
09 Nov 2012 14:33:54
Phil, you had more valid points. But I want the players to play the way Rodgers teaching them in which they are good at playing. Players like Suso, Sterling are not well built. So you cant loft the ball to them to win it against gigantic defenders. So they want to play with their feet. You cant except more from these youngsters. I think they will learn little by little as time moves.
st
ynwa
Very good pont phil, nice to have intelligent input from an opposing fan.
i feel it's a little too early to say rodgers hasn't got a plan b though.
the evidence is there to suggest otherwise having switched the merseyside derby to a 3 centre backs to nullify the pressure from everton. he also went with a 3-5-2 system with the youngsters and reserve players last night against anzhi.
the point i feel you're missing is the squad doesn't have enough options as yet for the subs to really change a game.
suso and pacheco, similar styles.
allen, sahin and henderson, similar styles maybe all at different levels.
gerrard and shelvey similar styles.
no alternatives so to speak in regards to luis suarez.
assaidi aside, very few game changing/style options to work with right now for the manager.
what ferguson had was a mixture of talented youth and players of experience and technical ability with the addition of 4 goalscorers in cole, yorke, solskaaer and sheringham. he took the best part of 7 years to get to this point as well.
rodgers having a plan b and being able to implement it are right now 2 completely different subjects when you look at the current depth of the squad. the young players are excelling but the reality is at 17, 18, 19 in most cases it is just a year or 2 early.
what we are aware of as lfc fans though is that quietly queuing behind the squad are a reserve and u18 team producing a similar quality to follow in the footsteps of these youngsters all playing under this system of plan A, no plan B (and both teams are undefeated so far this season).
what ferguson didn't/hasn't achieve in his model was a conveyor belt to follow....
s.p
Fergie is the best manager to come through the EPL I can remember however it took quite a few struggling seasons to build his squad to play his way. I do not like him at all but I have a lot of respect for what he has built. That being said, there are a lot of stories that he was lucky to keep his job, or United were lucky he kept his job, either way. We are still working on our Plan A, lets get that right first and as football develops over time, as it always has, so will the players adapt and gain experience. Over time they will then know how to play various formations, how to and when to change the tempo and how to adapt during a game. We are not anywhere near that yet so lets just work on our Plan A across all levels of the club until that is perfected because if we get that right Plan B may not be necessary or may be more organic during games rather than a 'Plan' as such.
Andy K
Ra1969 We changed our formation at halftime and we snatched a drew outta certain defeat? They snatched and ran with the draw! We really should of won that game!
09 Nov 2012 10:02:47
Hi Eds , great stuff as usual .
I just want to say that I am as frustrated with the current situation as many others but......
1) How many Premier league teams could play a mix of kids and at best squad players against the top team in Russia and walk away with their heads held high despite losing?
2) BR has in my view done well with what he has got apart from Suarez we have no senior striker at the club we have managed to trim the squad and hopefully will have funds now for January.Mistakes have been made in terms of transfers
3)If we had not made the one mistake we would be sitting top of one of the trickier groups in this competition.As it stands we will go through and I believe will still top the group.
4) How often in recent history could we have rested so many players (who badly needed a rest) and still put a competitive performance out against a top side.
5) Not for some time have we had a system that the players seem to understand and despite major changes still play' pass and move' .
Thats the rant over I just want to say that I see progress and too many people just want immediate success which is NOT going to happen .I think that some of us need to look at the bigger picture which is we are on the up and as long as we keep going in that direction we will get to the top.
keep the faith
cheers
kobi {Ed052's Note - 3) * the trickiest of all the groups. We have a Chempions League quality group}
Great post totally agree..
kidmillions
Couldn't agree more. Given the fixture list, we were never going to win this game. The team did well though and some players gained some invaluable experience.
Len
09 Nov 2012 09:53:20
The future looks bright the present looks dire, i think thats a fair summary after last night. How J Cole can take money from a club after what he produces is beyond me, maybe he will become a banker when he retires.
And yes i did say banker with a B not W, overall i thought the young lads played well, shelvey did ok but for me hes still a bit sluggish around the park, someone needs to get him on a running regime, hes promising but slow.
I dont understand why the morrocan doesnt play, the games ive seen him play he causes defences trouble, unlike Downing who contributes little im afraid.
Ive said all along since last year i think, we are 3 quality players short of a very good team, 5 short of an all conquering team, its just finding the right mix and players to come in,
Hendo i think will come good eventually, he does ok for the U21 side when i see him, Downings a pudding, Carra bless him is now a squad player at best now.
Ive already mentioned J Cole, he should resign just to save face, hes an embarrasment for a footballer, what bright spark signed an injured crock for 100k a week?
Maybe Hodgson, but a very unwise investment whoever.
But on a more cheery note, i think the next 2 years will be massive, so much promise for the youth and i kinda like BR as it goes, i just hope he doesnt have tunnel vision were tactics are concerned.
Heres a scenario for you, what if and a big IF, we had Ozil,Falcao and 2 good squad players playing every week, i think we would be right amongst it myself, so like i said were not far from the mix.
Lets just hope BR and FSG can attract those kind of players in the next 2 windows.
Then i think the future will look and play out to be a lot rosier for sure.
Scouse Red.
He links up great with Glen Johnson, so as soon as Johnsons back expect to see more of Assaidi.
kidmillions
Scouse Red, Downing helped out the defence on more than the odd occasion, so without him we could have been seeing more goals against us. Saying that, Assaidi may have helped us create more at the other end, so it's swings and roundabouts and can't see Stewart starting on Sunday can you? My biggest worry is, what's happened to Joe Cole, I was marginally pleased when we got him in and thought he'd be a hit for us. Sadly it's been the opposite. We still have a great chance in going through in this group, as long as Suarez doesn't pick up a bad injury. Tbh, I believe having no Suarez was the difference last night and that won't always be the case, as long as the owners back Brendan in the January and Summer transfer windows.
Keith
09 Nov 2012 09:36:47
Has one of the Eds put the banter in the rumours section :)
cozinoz {Ed052's Note - Not me :P}
09 Nov 2012 09:05:34
Good morning eds!
The game last night was all good but the result, 1-1 would be lika a win and losing by only one feels lika a draw.
This was the game we could lose and save our seniors for the week. We await twp anfield games in EL in wich our seniors will play a part in, i think it was good to save their energy, flying to russia and back would exhust us and i would fear for the weekend!
Coady lookt very good in the DM role, sadly Morgan dident. Thought he lookt afraid to go into challenges, if it lookt to be their ball he dident fight them for it! He needs to be more fairless, simply. Pacheco did exaktly the same, 1-2 good balls and thats it. Shelvey was our force in the middle and at 20 years of age a great promise, lacks little compsure but it will come with time.
Overall good results and i think we have a good shot at moving on from our group in EL, and a fully rested senior squad for chelski!
The Rob. {Ed052's Note - I personall;y thought that Morgan was great, as was Coady, and I was surprised by him. We have to beat Chelsea on Sunday, or Im not sure I could bear having to be an Ed again haha}
09 Nov 2012 11:46:58
My sentiments exactly Ed. I thought the younger players came out of that game with more credit than the older ones.
WelshBoyDave
Dont see us beating chelsea...can see us putting a good show...
0-2..would be a dexcent result...
rome was never and will ever be built in 5 years...
09 Nov 2012 08:49:49
I think it's encouraging the way we are starting to keep the ball and boss possession, even the young lads. For all of the doubters out there give Rogers a chance, as soon as we have a striker or two we will be able to convert our possession iand win a lot more games.
YNWA
09 Nov 2012 08:28:16
Another shocking performance. A shocking team and a poor decision to field a weak side. To be honest, we have a better chance of winning the euopa league than finish in the top 4 so why field a weak side?
I know many fans will say, Give BR time! But he has shot himself in the feet how many times already? I like the guy, but some of his decisions baffle me! I hope the owners back him in january and the summer. And then we might just see a decent team.
EDS, heard a rumour about Alex pearce being a possible replacement for carra?? Please tell me this is not true?
Jay {Ed052's Note - Jay, why dont we just play our first team all the time in every match. Im sure they'd be ok til Xmas then all be injured and too tired to play the second half of the season. You have to rotate a team to get through 65 games a year.}
Jay, you are another of the part time fans intent to ruining the reputation of Liverpool fans as knowledgeable football people by posting such clueless tripe. You are a genuine ham shanker
It's 3 points for a win in the league.
We won't be far off the top 4 don't you worry.
kidmillions
Good reply ed :)
I know why dont we rest players against Chelsea for the Young Boys Game.
We are second in the group mate dont panic!
Its our lack of a squad thats restricting us. Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea etc all played Cl this week and fielded full strength teams. We lack their depth and experience. I actually think Rodgers did the right thing. We are still second in the group and a lot of players didnt have to take a trip half way across the world.
The Irish Rover
Ham shanker, so true tho jay have a look at the fixtures next week, resting the top players was essential.
This jay guy knows nothing about football! taxi for this chump!
REDH
Jay , your a terrible fan ! dont bother getting to anfield
09 Nov 2012 08:04:55
To everyone who is complaining about assaidi not starting yesterday I thought it was pretty that he might be...starting against Chelsea?
AsianRed {Ed052's Note - Everbody has to also remember that Assaidi is just coming to full fitness too}
09 Nov 2012 07:58:15
Jordan henderson has just turned 23, he has over 100 premier league appearances, represented england at every level, and has 5 full caps to his name.
We have played him right midfield, attacking Midfield, holding midfield and full back. He is a kid who is not getting a run in his favourite position, the fans all seem to want him sold and apparently even the manager said he could leave. No wonder his confidence is low.
He has chosen to fight for his place, and after Lucas I thought a lot more fans would be a bit more supportive.
We had to spend big because UTD wanted him, but thats not his fault, he deserves to be judged the same as any of the youngsters in the side.
Fergie made Liverpool believe he wanted him, but thankfully we got Jones.
Personally I think Henderson has had his chance. He is more established than many of our youngsters having played fairly regularly for both Liverpool and Sunderland. To me, Henderson opitimises a headless chicken. He cannot tackle, he cannot pass and rarely has the confidence to shoot. His positioning is poor too. I think Liverpool are forced to put him in the shop window in order to try and claw back the ridiculous sum we paid for him. He has to go...
We were actually close to having jones in the bag as well as Henderson. Fergie rubbish a brick and ran home from holiday to pinch him
Jonesred
What we bothered about Jones for he cant stay fit for more than 3 games in a row!
Rob
09 Nov 2012 05:45:11
I'm proud of the young lads. They are gaining valuable European experience so they can excel when playing for Liverpool in the champions league in a couple of years time.
Lee
Totally agree mate , future is looking much better than for a long while
kobi
09 Nov 2012 05:26:22
£15m transfer budget plus player sales. BR knows the players he wants to move on and they are as following;
1. Downing - £7m
2. Cole - £1.5m
3. Henderson - £8m
£16.5m
January will be hard to bring in certain players but the ones we are chasing shouldn't be that hard to get.
£31.5m would be the new budget once we sold downing, henderson and cole.
1. Dennis Praet; Winger, 18 - £4m
2. Filip Djuricic; AM, 20 - £4m
3. Alex Pearce; CB, 23 - £1.5m (Reading would rather sell than loose him for free next summer)
4. Jackson Martinez; ST, 26 - £18.5m (which is the release clause. Brendan & FSG think it is well worth it for the Powerhouse Colombian)
= £28m
Who in their right mind would pay 1.5m for Cole?
Yeh brendan loves a powerhouse.
09 Nov 2012 05:17:42
After having watched the game last night, I can say that Cole, Henderson and Downing need to be shipped out ASAP. If they are not good for the reserve team, then they need to go. Downing is the laziest player who have ever played in a football pitch. He was not even walking but always standing and waiting for the ball to come. {Ed052's Note - Both Downing and COle played well yesterday}
Ed how u can say cole and downing played well is beyond me, they are not good enough for a club like lfc. They were both awful and as attacking players offered absolutely nothing as usual. RedTurk {Ed052's Note - They are not good enough no, but I feel they both did well yesterday}
I agree with ed about downing, the guy fell back to defend and also came up to attack but cole was horrible, is waaaaaaaay off pace with the game, constantly kept losing position and falling down after a little nudge, should have started assaidi instead of him
09 Nov 2012 03:25:33
BR played cole and downing so hopefully they would do something good so the deadwood could become driftwood. They must be sold. You know this, BR knows this. Only way to make someone bite is to play them.
08 Nov 2012 20:15:36
Hi Eds,
I was thinking that now we are giving more youngsters a chance and hopefully when we add more experienced players in January do you see other youngsters around Europe looking at choosing to come to Liverpool 1st over other clubs after all it seems as good a place as any to get into the 1st team if good enough.
Also have Liverpool looked at PSV youngster Riechedly Bazoer as i know we have scouted heavily in Holland.
Thanks
Thatracoonstolemybacon {Ed052's Note - Young players may now be convinced to come to us if they believe that they will get chances. However, they wont come if we continue to be in the lower reaches of the league.}
08 Nov 2012 19:50:50
For the Eds - Do you believe anyone else will break through to the first team. ie Ngoo etc {Ed052's Note - Maybe Sama, but I wouldn't think any new players this year. I was surprised Coady got a chance as I dont think he has been great at all this season. It looks as if Adorjan wont get a chance either}
08 Nov 2012 18:31:40
Interest in SC Heerenveen's highly rated 20-year-old Serbian attacker seems to have surfaced. The player was previously scouted by Manchester United, but issues with a work permit denied him the leap from Holland to England. By all accounts the player fits the bill. Young, Creative, Good on the ball, Able to pass and move and the all-important ability to finish. Could come at a bargain price, rumored to be around £4m.
Klass-Jan Huntelaar seems to be close to agreeing a deal with Schalke 04, which in my opinion is disappointing, but life and seemingly the search for a striker goes on. The currently injured Gary Hooper, Theo Walcott, Fernando Llorente and Daniel Sturridge seem to be the main targets being looked at by Rodgers, along with youngsters such as PSV Eindhoven's Jurgen Locadia and Finish teenager Joel Pohjanpalo; any thoughts ED(s)?
One more thing: ED's, when is Fabio Borini due to return from his Broken Foot? cheers, really appreciate the work you guys do for the site:-). {Ed052's Note - I think we will sign a striker, and we have mentioned many who are possible. Borini wont be back until the New Year}
08 Nov 2012 17:19:03
Hi Eds, just a quick question. I keep hearing that we are being ruled out of signing various players because of their high wage demands ( Walcott, Drogba, etc), but if we have already sold or released players on high wages and with Joe Cole, who is apparently on £100,000 a week looking like being sold, why cant we use some of the money saved on paying high wages on getting decent players. Also, what happened to the money from the Standard Chartered and Warrior sponsorship deals that we were promised for squad strengthening? Cheers. {Ed052's Note - We could, but we dont want to overpay players, e.g. Cole again making the same mistakes}
08 Nov 2012 16:41:17
This guy Fernandinho from Shaktar was immense during the match against Chelsea. Would love it if you could get me some info on him. thank you. great job btw.
KrishnaYNWA {Ed052's Note - A profile then?}
09 Nov 2012 01:52:09
morgan ahead of yesil?
cole ahead of assaidi?
532? with wisdom ahead of sama at CB?
BR just played tooo many british players against anzhi.
no flair
if he wanted to play 532 he should have played
Jones
Flanagan, Sama, Coates, Carragher, Robinson
Henderson, Shelvey
Downing, Pacheco, Assaidi
Yesil
with gulacsi, wilson, wisdom, coady, suso, cole, morgan on the bench.
but really though Ngoo really deserves a call up more than Morgan or Yesil. i don't understand whats wrong with him?
i just don't understand politics.
For a start sama didnt play and secodly u have 12 players in ur line up
And ngoo didnt play because his pure siE makes him look better than he is against 17 year olds. I dont see him having a long term future at LFC if im honest
And yesil is ahead in the pecking order because hes scoring left right and center on the international stage but besides that he didnt play either so what ya point?
Played too many english players? Not flairy? I saw flanagan twine a few russians today and need i remind you which country sterling got called up to recently?
Sounds like ur the one with political values because u seem to think only non-british players have flair.
Peace
You do know that Wisdom is originally a CB anyway.
We'll definitely be better off like that. Only problem is that the ref might notice the extra player ;P
Politics? WTH....
AsianRed
I bet he would have loved to play that team and if he read this post, wondered why he didn't play with 11 outfielders
The Europa is a rubbish competition and only any good in the latter stages. Brendan is doing the right thing by using it to allow the young players to gain invaluable experience. "By the way, try and keep up Yesil wasn't even in the squad as he was left at home for treatment to an injury" We lost Lucas for the season and more through him playing in a minor cup competition, we don't want a repeat of that do we?
Keeping everyone fit and focused on the League is 100% correct.
kidmillions
I have to say I disagree with a lot of what you have said mate.
1) Morgan basically played on his own ,he is a work horse and far better suited to the lone role than ngoo .Ngoo is class but he does not cover half the ground that Morgan does and away from home its a no brainer.
2) I actually agree with playing Cole , we gambled on him and any other game I would play Suso .I think first half he was ok but I hope that he gets the odd game to try and up his value so we get a few pennies for him in January.
3) Sama instead of Wisdom at CB you are joking , Wisdom is a better CB than right back if you have been waitching his career but at the moment he is our best defender .Why gamble ?
4) I do love Assaidi and would also love to see him every game but I hope he gets the nod for the Chelski game.
Not so much politics mate more like tactics.
09 Nov 2012 10:33:17
Oh give it a rest,the kids did well,and Yesil played against Swansea. Let Brendan pick the team eh?
WelshBoyDave
Yesil got injured in the under 21 game
08 Nov 2012 22:41:27
all these people that keep raving about good performances they get us nothing if br remains in charge i can see us in the chamionship next year. shame this wont be posted just like my previous one earlier saying br out redknapp in ive been a daily user of this site for about 3-4 yrs what a way to look after long term users. yet you post all these fifa and football manager fans person transfer rumours {Ed007's Note - Dry your eyes mate and give us a break.}
Well said Ed. The Fifa 12 dreamers are closer to reality than this Redknapp joker
Come down to Portsmouth mate, go in a pub and say you think Harry is a good manager and you want him as your teams boss. I will watch from outside. If you still want your club to exist and not bankrupt you will stay well clear.
The Redknapp activities elsewhere were covered up - if he joined us he'd become a target
I thought it was really good performance last night.
kidmillions
08 Nov 2012 22:39:39
""The best way to spread christmas cheer is singing loud for all to hear." - Buddy the Elf. So if we want Santa's sleigh to fly, we need to show our christmas spirit. So get behind the team! SHOW YOUR SPIRIT, SING LOUD, BE PROUD! YNWA
If i could press the agree button 1000+ times i would!
Mike in Leeds
09 Nov 2012 00:55:21
Evening eds and reds .just want to say that i hope that FSG were watching cause if joe cole is getting paid that amout of monry to do wat his doing then anyone on this site can be a rich man Good performance from yongsters no wonder the fans were singing dalglish name.
No wonder they were singing dalglish's name? He brought the club back years with his woeful signings blowing millions in the process, we can thank him for where we are today.. BR will get it right, this project has to start somewhere!
JJ
That will be the kids and Acadamy that Rafa pushed then?
Like Kenny said just before he left " time will tell how good Rafa was for this club"
Rafa's responsible for the youngsters -
No wonder the Bitters call us deluded, fans chanting Dalglish, yes bring him back FSG can give him another £100m to flush down the toilet.
08 Nov 2012 23:48:07
Completely understood BR's selection tonight. Never looked like scoring but once again the youngsters got another good run out. Much of their play mirrored the first team.
Which brings me to my point...
I like the system in general. I like BR as a man & manager but their are 2 things (albeit interconnected) that I dont enjoy about the way we play. I never watched much of Swansea so i'm not sure if this is a temporary issue but...
1) Why can't we break quickly?
We pass the ball very well but instead of breaking at speed we always seem to let the opposing team reorganise before attacking.
2) Why do both of the 2 'holding' midfielders always stay back instead of at least 1 trying to join a counter-attack or break into the box?
We really lack more men in the box. Forget buying a striker in Jan because I cant see that changing anything with the current problem.
I understand doing the above if we're in front in a game but not while drawing or losing it.
This is not whinge. I have no coaching experience whatsoever so I'd be delighted if someone could enlighten me.
The main reason we are playing 2 holding and one attacking is because of lucas' injury. Once he is back, we'll change to 1 holding midfielder so we'll see more people coming forward (especially Allen). I do get frustrated with our counter attacks though.
One player could have made a difference Ngoo instead of Morgan.
Morgan has done nothing and I mean nothing this season to have warranted a place in the first team against Anzhi ahead of Ngoo.
i feel sorry for him.
So you are saying he didn't want us to score??
In Br's ideal system there is only 1 holding mid, with the other 2 further forward. Unfortunately because of Lucas injury Allen has had to play there out of position. When lucas returns Allen will move further forward and the forward transition of the ball will be much sharper while in defense he will be there to help defend and intercept as he does better than anyone ive ever seen. I hope this helps,Simonpw
Nothing wrong with the way were playing but your right about one thing we don't get enough players in and around the penalty area when were attacking. We need maybe two better players that get into the box and can finish. The width for attacks in the system Brendan employs comes from skilful attacking fullbacks (see barca's fullbacks)
Johnson in my opinion is brilliant in this position. Currently on the right Wisdom is young and obviously a talented young player but doesn't really provide the attacking width and dangerous or clever balls into the box. That's why I personally think when everyone's fit Gerrard would be best employed as an attacking right back as your guaranteed quality balls into the danger areas from both fullbacks.
kidmillions
Morgan has scored more goals for u21 this year than Ngoo? And he's been pushed out wide.
Due to his size Ngoo is able muscle his way pass u21s but at this level against big chris samba he would get destroyed. Also Ngoo can not head the ball at all. Morgan is ahead of him due to his workrate and the little runs he makes. But it's worth remembering that these 2 and yesil are only 18, they are not stellar footballers like raheem or suso. They will develop a little slower, but in the future all 3 can be big players for us. They are lucky they are at lfc, best academy in britian and the only team that will give them a realistic chance at there age. They are already miles ahead of any other youth striker in the prem. also just to highlight speed of development Morgan wasn't even in u21 last year, he was in u18s. Frightening.
08 Nov 2012 22:49:11
''Will the owner of the car W493 TMC please report to the home dressing room. You have been selected as liverpool's new centre forward.''
Rafa's Purple Goatie
Careful...that could be Heskey's Range Rover
cozinoz
Heskey's in Australia thank Christ
MikeyRed1992
As an Aussie I must say Heskey is doing pretty well in the A League.
To be fair, he is smashing them in the net in the A league, even has Heskey Cam
What does that say about the A league tho?
I have always thought that Heskey has copped too much. He isnt one of the all times greats however he would be a good forward to play alongside as he does the back to goal work for the other striker to score. That, plus you try playing in skates. And for the record, the A-League developing well and is playing better football and producing a better product that Australian league football ever has but it is a long way off genuine quality as yet. In Australia, football is only about the fifth biggest sport though so we do not get the pick of the athletes or the financing % wise that many other country's get.
Andy K
Lesson to lean- never buy a defender from the a-league.
AnfieldUSA
08 Nov 2012 22:46:37
The story is that Cole,Downing,Enrique,Henderson and Pacheco will be sold when the Transfer Window opens. If they are not going to be good enough in January they are not good enough now and shouldn't even be considered for selection. I personally think that we should continue with the younger players as they are making good progress. However, I do think that they have to be more positive in front of goal and Rodgers should encourage this. At the moment the Liverpool goalkeeper receives too many passes from his colleagues and this confuses them because some of the attempts at the opposite end have less power than the back-passes to Reina or Jones. I know that we are going in the right direction and that we will be a MAJOR force again before too long but it so frustrating that we are creating really good chances and not converting them. We are leaking goals in EVERY match and to get a decent result we are going to have to score at least two in every match. It is not just up to one striker to score the goals and Rodgers has to get the youngsters to take a shot whenever the get a chance instead of passing it (and the responsibility) along the line for someone else to have a go - something that doesn't happen anyway. When I was watching regularly we had a chnat - 'ATTACK,ATTACK,ATTACK. It would be great if the fans took it up again and persuaded the players to take notice.
Ben Terug
Firstly, I would say that we are conceeding too often rather than leaking goals. Secondly, if they are planning on selling the players you discussed, then surely the better form and more exposure you can give them before the sale the better?
Andy K
08 Nov 2012 22:07:18
Once again joe cole has proved he has nothing to offer, Shelvey on the other hand played very well and what a lift suso gave was outstanding.
2 negatives tonight, brad should never have come off his line, and we didn't attack well enough.
Agree brad should have stayed carra would have caught up to him because of the bounce the ball took.
and yes because assaidi and pacheco didn't start
08 Nov 2012 21:58:24
Reckon there is any chance we can buy Rafael Tolói just to take free kicks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS1ZTRFzGWA
08 Nov 2012 21:57:15
I normally don't rate players here,and usually i try not to do it unless ive seen the game twice but im going to have a stab at it.
Jones: Did what was expected from him,no chance with the goal. 6.
Wisdom: Really held his own well,impressed me once again. 7.
Carragher: Is being let down by the high standards set by himself,however,he DOES still have something to offer in a red shirt. 6.
Coates: Looked shaky at times,not the toughest game he will have in a red shirt. Traore is not easy to play against mind. 5.
Henderson: Has clearly been watching Allen a lot,to be fair,he is tidy in possesion. Is he watching Allen when maybe he should be watching Shelvey? Must take more risks. 5
Coady: You could see the nerves in the poor lads face,not an easy debut to make. Can be proud of his first start. 6.
Shelvey: Put himself about in the attacking 3,nothing really came off for him,but credit for trying. Looks a prospect,should play maybe 20-25 games this season. 6.
Flanagan: Was trying hard to impress. Linked up well with others and got forward. Didn't have much defensive responsibility in the 3-5-2. 6.
Downing: Frustrating. Where is the form that made us cry "Mata who" after he'd played 3-4 games for us? Needs to improve or be shipped out. 5.
Cole: Slight improvement on his last apperance,but should still do better.A few nice turns and flicks but no end product. 5
Morgan: Now i was impressed,ran the channels when he could,playing against Samba and that other lump,its no wonder he didnt have much. I tried to watch him off the ball when i could,and he made many runs then didn't recieve the ball. Not neccasarily a bad thing as often that wouldnt have been the right pass,but was often on the move. Again,as with Coady,i would not have thought he did himself any harm tonight. 7.
Subs:
Suso: Looked really creative and lively when he came on. Although it frightens me that we are relying on that spark coming from a teenager with less than ten games under his belt. 7
Pacheco: Another frustrating player,does the hard bits well and the easy bits terribly,almost always. 5.
Assiaidi: Can't say i noticed any moments of magic or madness. Little effect. 5
As i said,My first time rating the players,and ive only seen it the once,so i may have got somethings wrong.
WelshBoyDave
Wisdom held his own?
08 Nov 2012 21:43:32
Forget tonight. This competition is a hindrance unless you win it- and we won't! It's utter rubbish. Some lads got experience tonight, some confirmed they ain't good enough.
Ye but the further you go the better the teams the more experience you get. Athletico won it last year and the are better than any team in the prem. while the other finalists Bilbao destroyed Manc on the way. This tournament is way more beneficial to us than any cup run. Playing across Europe against good teams, getting the kids used to the style and atmosphere is just so worth it, and like Madrid last year the benefits are massive. You feel like a big club again
08 Nov 2012 21:28:41
This passing for passing sake, is madness.
Just think, we used to employ Steve Clarke.
Aintree Red
It was like watching paint dry, pass sideways pass back pass to the left pass to the right. What the hell happened to penetration the object of the game is to score goals not ponse about a field for 90 minutes not reaching the final third and achieving absolutely nothing. It is not their fault No one did this before Brendan Rodgers came in. Take a look at your tactics Brendan... they are not working
08 Nov 2012 19:20:19
i watched the experts of tiki taka barcelona play celtic over two games . 80 percent plus possession in two games and guess what they couldnt score at celtic . wonder what mourhinio thinks of rodgers he educated him and he wants to play like barca not real. said it when he was appointed DUCK RODGERS IS THE BIGGEST CONMAN TO EVER WALK THROUGH THE GATES OF ANFIELD the sooner hes gone the better. hidings at chelsea spurs and swansea to follow hes a fish out of water.
alan waddle
Yeah, you're right Barca has hardly won anything.
09 Nov 2012 02:00:43
Absolutely agree, BR does not have the tactical ability and blindly keeps pursuing this bloody tika tika formation....he is a one trick pony, he knows no other approach.
A real manager will work to the strength of the players he has, not try to impose a style that obviously none of them can grasp.
As evident last night by Celtic, you can counteract this Barcelona style it's not infallible. Having 80% possession means **** all unless you score!
The sooner these blinkered fans wake up and realise that you need to have multiple formations and mix up the style of play then Liverpool might get back to being the team we once where. Fergie doesn't employ one style he mixes it up.....I hate the guy but he knows his stuff.
Mid table mediocrity....and sadly most of the supporters today seem to think that's exceptible
It's not going to improve until we get a real tactician
Good to see a sensible appraisal of Barca's style and success of football based on 90 minutes, Alan.
And to the third poster, Fergie and United took a number of years to establish the right squad, plan A and then other plans. We have had 1 window, and not even half a season to get out plan A right yet. Let's at least play at being grown ups here and be sensible. As for "A real manager will work to the strength of the players he has, not try to impose a style that obviously none of them can grasp" surely this is a wind up. If we change the style every week/month/year depending on who is available, how well do you think we will settle? How do you think we can structure and build a club structure and philosophy from the juniors up if we are changing the style around the players? Lets look beyond this season outside of being the first year of building a monolith, if you dont get the foundation right it will crumble, like we have done to get us in this position we find ourselves. I am jnot saying that you have to be a BR fan or even like the style of football however Barca, Dortmund, Arsenal and Ajax are models to be admired.
Andy K
How about this news alert?
When you have talented players in all areas of the field, you can play any style and still be effective.
Our problem isn't style of play - it's the quality of player trying to play that style.
JimmyHustle
Finally someone who speaks the truth! I am sick of listening to the man droning on and on. His Philosophy, the man is an person, he did not invent pass and move. He is implementing pass and pass he forgot the move bit. As for the final product which obviously is a goal, has anyone told Brendan Rodgers that scoring goals is the whole point of the game.
Think you'll find Barca's season doesn't hinge on 2 games against Celtic.
kidmillions
"Multiple formations"? You mean, like the very different formation we played last night, ok we didn't win, but it was different, and in the second half against Everton? We do have different formations, but Ido admit we need to be more prepared to mix things up, eg the occasional long, risky pass does work!
JammyRed
09 Nov 2012 11:58:04
Tactically inept? Come on,are we going to just throw that insult at every manager? Or do you just not have enough brain cells to think of something new?
Rafa: Tactically inept,2 holding midfielders at home to Stoke? Sacked.
Woy: Woeful performances,with an in form Gerrard and Torres i might add. Must be tactically inept. Gone.
Kenny: Continues to persist with Carroll,Adam,Downing and Henderson. Must be tactically inept. Bye bye.
Rodgers: Horribly inept,clearly has no tactics,has only a plan A. Playing football. Has to go clearly....
Anybody see a corralation here?
WelshBoyDave {Ed052's Note - Roy didn't have an infrom Torres}
09 Nov 2012 13:27:51
He achieved his best return for us the season before,with 18 goals in 22 games. That was before he got injured i admit,but if he had no form,that was down to only Roy,because he certainly had it the season before,
WelshBoyDave
08 Nov 2012 18:57:40
Eds fellow reds , just heard the biggest load of b******* at end of the game .ITS STILL THE MIGHTY LIVERPOOL THEY'VE BEATEN .must have missed something looked like the same old 99% possession no shoots on target NO GOALS . Good on the eye but its about winning the games