Liverpool Banter Archive July 09 2013

 

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09 Jul 2013 23:28:04
Ed if arsenals interest in Suarez is real and concrete does that mean that the higuain deal to arsenal is off cheers

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Arsenal must have known that the £30 million offer was never enough money for Suarez, I think it's political sell season tickets, seemingly appeasing the fans to be linked openly with top players, to show Madrid other players also interest them (as Ancelotti apparently wants to take a better look at Higuain). But it also shows Liverpool want a considerable more amount than £30 million for Suarez.

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09 Jul 2013 23:21:20
Aly Cissokho:

'I will not believe that I am going anywhere until I am in Liverpool and having a medical.

'Liverpool is such a great club, so to be linked with them is fantastic. But there is nothing concrete from anyone at the moment.

'If there is an opportunity to join such a club, I will take it. Valencia are a great club, in a great city, but Liverpool are a legendary club.'

Are we showing the interest that Aly Cissokho is talking about?

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I don't think we are. I remember a move to Milan fell through for him due to a tooth or teeth issue. Not sure if true but I read it, i'm sure.

I've read from many people who've watch Aly play a lot that he's a bit of an over rated player.

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09 Jul 2013 23:19:53
I don't care who we buy or who we sell to whichever team.
For me it's all about results and I for one am not going to swallow any excuses from Rodgers if we don't get top 4.

I can see it now, he's selling our top players and buying unfulfilled talent in order to manage expectations and dampen down our ambition.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't cut any ice with me. Kenny got sacked after 18 months for finishing 7th and winning the league cup. Rodgers must get top 4 otherwise the owners will look weak, clueless and lacking ambition.

If he achieves top 4 I'll be the first to congratulate him on a great job, but you can't blame fans for being concerned when we see our best players wanting to leave and our transfer targets turning us down.
We finished well outside the top 4 and whilst they are building, we are selling.

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Completely agree.

Frustrated Red

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I think you need urgent assistance. have you not been seeing the way rodgers is turning us into one of the most attractive football teams in the entire league. we play probably the best football in the league now.

newcastle fighting for the life 0 Liverpool 6

Get real you are clueless

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Good job there Mr no name poster.you person. between jaunuary and the start of this window you reckon we've sold and weakened our team? ah yes buying 6 players so far in these 2 windows and selling. andy carrol and mr inconsistincy himself Shelvey you maintain we've gotten weaker? we were one of the best teams in the second half of last season, I can't wait to see this team in august. with or without suarez. its brainless posters like you that haven't the guts to sign off that are dragging this site down.
Rant over sorry

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The real question you're failing to consider is: what if we do sack Rogers? then what? Do you think someone can come in and wave a wand to get top 4? I somehow doubt it is that simple. give the guy some time - getting rid of managers will only cost us money in severance pay

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Said it all along, not knocking any of the signing's we have made, they are all good squad players, but not any that will walk into the team & push a starter out. As for ths tuffing that we gave Newcastle, let's be honest on the day they were yo say the least sh**, even though we played well,,

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And our best players wanting to leave and our targets not wanting to join is rodgers fault?

You ecpect us to jump 7th to 4th that easy? He wouldve made a miracle if he does that next season

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10 Jul 2013 06:25:53
Kenny finished 8th with 42 goals & 52 points.
Not good enough football, bad signings.

I completely disagree with this post. You haven't been watching us. We have improved drastically from Jan. Unbeaten for 13 games.
7th with 71 goals & 61 points.
Fantastic football, inspired signings.

In Buck we trust

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"Selling our top players", like Shelvey, Spearing and Carroll, and buying unfulfilled talent, like Coutinho, Sturridge and Aspas, what a nightmare eh. Let's not even bother giving him this season, let's just sack Rogers now.

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I don't think we've got any right to qualify for Champions League at the end of the season. We sacked three managers and wasted load of money and now expect/demand this young manager does what Rafa/Hodgson and Kenny couldn't.

I think that's unattainable and slightly unreasonable, last season Rodgers got put in a difficult position with personnel being so thin up front. Rodgers is building with youth, Klopp managed wonder with Dortmund but it took four season of hard work with everyone at the club pulling in the right way, Rodgers will need the similar sort of time especially given that the Premiership is much more competitive than the Bundesliga with much more money being spent across the League, so it would be a massive achievement to get back into the Champions League so soon after the dust has so recently seemed to settle. One thing I believe we need is consistency in the dug out. It'll take time and maybe a few expensive players which I doubt we will be able to get. Patience is the key.

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If we're so damn attractive, why are top players turning us down and our best player wants to leave?

Players are attracted to 1) Money and 2) success. They don't care if we play like Barcelona or Bognor Regis.

Rodgers needs to produce this season, no more excuses about 'transition'

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Lol the original poster quoted **(I can see it now, he's selling our top players) **

are u drunk or dreaming?

Fabio Aurelio
David Amoo
Stephen Darby
Dirk Kuyt
Maxi Rodriguez
Alberto Aquilani
Craig Bellamy
Andy Carroll
Jay Spearing
Charlie Adam
Nathan Eccleston
Joe Cole
Alexander Doni
Andy Carroll
Jonjo Shelvey

are the players who have been shown the door. are these our top players? these r all avg players, except for may be kyut or mereiles but even them are past their prime .

in these sell we have got some 30+miln by sell and plus the salaries these players had was too much to warm the bench.

Fabio Borini
Joe Allen
Oussama Assaidi
Samed Yesil
Daniel Sturridge
Philippe Coutinho
Luis Alberto
Iago Aspas
Simon Mignolet
Kolo Toure .

are the signings made . out of which only assaidi and borini look dud.(though borini is yet to play for us in tru sense, injury last season made him start very less.)

BR is on right track . just need a mercury play-maker and a upgrade on lucas.

and another of your accusations that he's buying unfulfilled talent,
well yes we r signing too much of youngsters but we r forced to do that. guys like erikson, henrikh M.are not willing to come here with no europe next season.

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To the original poster=

cut the kenny wrap ok. kow all of us regard kenny as legend but he's human too.

fact of the matter is kenny was out of sorts, his all english or the big -small partership upfront (carroll-suarez) are old now. these tactics failed.

kennys team last to last season lacked so much creativity, ther was no direction and defined philosophy. sure he was a legend and a great mmanger also but in todays era of spanish & saouth american style his style didn't suited.

what ever it was, kenny supporters, rafa supporters, fact of the matter is Liverpool r on right track, with right man .

you can't simply compaire kenny's 8 place to rodgers 7th, kenny began his tenure from mid jan previous yr so he alredy was with the team 8 months before the actual season started, kenny spent nearly 100miln on avg signings had alredy signed (carroll, suarez, hendo, adam, downing, doni) before his season started, compared to that br was left with a squad short on striker, only suarez, and bunch of kidds. only signing he made was borini(ijured), allan, sahin(never clicked). that's why we were so down and out in first half . second half was completely different, no need to tell again we showed top 4 form.

al in all we should accept that br is the right man. and support him.

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Agree 100%. If BR fails to get top 4 he should be sacked. He says it takes time, but selling our best player Suarez and buying a load of garbage is not progression

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My concern is if Rodgers was to be sacked, then we need to find a coach with the same style of football to work with the sorts of players Rodgers has brought in. Otherwise there will be another rebuilding period in the first team. I'd be happy if we qualify for Europe next year, regardless if it's Europa league, and Champions league is a must in his 3rd year.

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It's not all about the style of football but the results that matter, their are many teams that play TIKI-TAKI football but win nothing.

Personally I think BR is moving the club in the right direction, although I think to many people are narrow minded thinking we will be challenging for the title next season. We have improved out attacking options but losing Carragher will be a bigger impact than most appreciate. Priority should be defence now with another class central defender.

In regards to the owners I think they have been generous with the funds they have released, seeing as we have no silverware and a low league finish we are spending more than any team around us. With sales of fringe players and obviously Suarez we can add possible x 2 more exciting players.

I would prefer Suarez staying for atleast another season.

Jules in Perth WA

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I don't understand which players have turned us down?
We have got the 4 players we went for. We never bid enough money to get HM. One of our better players wants out, but we play better without him and he will seriously swell our coffers.
Get real man.

MUSHROOM

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Totally agree with WestCorkRed and BruceLee.

I wish people had to sign in to make posts, might cut down on some of the rubbish.

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Am I the only one that actually likes Assaidi, in the few chances he got he did alright especially when you consider half of them were playing with a second string team or coming off the bench with 10 minutes left. Thought he deserved a few more opportunities to be fair.

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09 Jul 2013 23:18:46
Ed who is Suarez's most likely destination cheers

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The way he is talking anywhere but Liverpool the ungrateful little beeeeeeep!

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Where everybody knows your name.

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On his backside if I ever get me hands him.

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09 Jul 2013 23:06:06
What is it about the transfer window that can make You feel amazingly optimistic one day and hopelessly negative the next?
I am as guilty as anyone for getting carried away with so-called targets and the wave of unfounded optimism it can bring.
I have to ask myself why one minute I can genuinely feel that we can mount a serious title challenge next season, to only a week or so later believe the cause is hopeless because we have failed to land a target who, in all honesty, I hadn't heard of until we were linked.

No-one can honestly say either way whether or not we have enough collectively( that includes us lot) to mount a serious challenge this campaign, but we can make a positive start by getting behind the team, and making sure that Anfield is rocking regardless of opposition or result.

In my heart of hearts I can only see us going from strength to strength.
Here's to a cracking season.

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U got to remember mate, if we were targeting MH or players of this quality then we will again. just patience's is needed, got to get thses things right no point buying someone for 30m right now just to please the fans

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09 Jul 2013 22:56:37
When Suarez bit Ivanovic people laughed that he needed a muzzle. Doesn't sound like a bad idea now does it considering he never shuts up

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I hear Charlie Sheens looking for a sidekick, maybe Horse Head is the alien Charlie Sheens been searching for all these days.

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09 Jul 2013 22:34:06
Suarez blames the media for leaving now it's for champions league football can anybody else see him signing for Monaco? Lol

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09 Jul 2013 22:26:23
great shout lifelongred totally agree.I will probably be called a sheep now, baar baaar
redthrough

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09 Jul 2013 22:23:00
Well if Suarez wants to go to Arsenal or Chelsea let's have a collection and buy him the coach fare
Good riddance to the ungrateful piece of work

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09 Jul 2013 22:21:55
God help the eds. another Suarez question and I might blow a gasket. Whatever happened to keeping your council till things pan out?
To be honest I'd rather read Waro posts than some of the 'he stays we love him he goes he's a judas' nonsense that's getting splatted on here at the minute.
Waro, keep posting sunshine. Your narcissism brightens my day ;)

BigBadBen

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09 Jul 2013 22:54:04
H**k Saurez! How many players leave L'pool and go on to better things? Owen? Mascherano? Torres? Rush? Mcmanaman? With the exception of Alonso who never wanted out, (who would be class in any team) none of these went to greener grass. Liverpool is and always will be a club u don't ask to leave, they tell u it's time. Leaving a club like Liverpool is a downward step. Fact!
Red jamie

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Lol macherano went on to be a regular in the greatest team youll ever see in your life.

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Mascherano has been more successful than Alonso at club level

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Rush was only gone 1 season.

McManaman won the champions league, Torres won the champions league, Owen won a Premier league medal, Mascherano won lots, Xabi won lots.

These days LFC is at a level where you can leave and make a step up.

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Mcmanaman never wanted out either and didn't he win the European cup, erm and a m.o.m. also?

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Mcmanaman was a success at Real Madrid. He did not sit on the bench and played often on his position. Also, he won the UCL with them too.

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Álvaro Arbeloa?

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Alonso won more with Liverpool than he has with real madrid thus far

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Yup torres won champions league- but was not in the starting 11 and was denied the penalty shot lol what a humiliating win.

mashcho is on the transfer list for barca, and in reality is just a squad player .

owen won medal? lol was he even playing like a pro when Man United won the league?

every example u listed surely won the trophy for the namesake, they personally had no hand in winning it, they aren't part of the main core of their respective team anymore . i.e. are just squad players. their form is no where near what they showed at pool. that says a lot.

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10 Jul 2013 08:00:45
Masch, Torres and Macca all won the Champions League not too long after leaving

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09 Jul 2013 22:35:43
Evening ed's,
Just been given an update from my north east contact and he remains convinced that Sunderland still hold an interest in Downing despite West Hams interest over the past few days.

He also claims to have heard that Liverpool have been in contact with Aston Villa today regarding Benteke. His words were "Liverpool have declared their interest pending developments over the next month" which I read as "if Suarez goes".

I totally expect stick about this but as I've said countless times before all I do is post what I'm told from a guy who I know has contacts inside the game, predominantly in the north east and lower leagues.

Happy to accept any stick but at the end of the day ill continue to post what I hear!
Cheers

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Thanks Andy.

The real AG

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10 Jul 2013 08:36:10
Well conveniently he's about a month behind Ed002 next time post something we don't know

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09 Jul 2013 22:34:42
I'd like everyone to cast their minds back to the summer of 2004 when Rafa took over and little rubbish of a striker pissed us about and left for a reduced fee to Real Madrid. Most fans were up in arms, similar to the situation we find ourselves in now, only we hopefully will get a fee closer to the players worth when he departs. That summer we signed a couple of relative unknowns in Alonso and Luis Garcia, like most I had never really heard much about them but was excited to see how they played. We also had players like Biscan, Milan Baros, Josemi and Djimi Traore who played quite regularly that season. At this point no fan would of ever expected us to go on a win the European Cup with a team that contained no real World Class players apart from Gerrard, but we did. When we lost Owen it seemed to galvanize the team and produced some amazing results. I see some similarities for the season ahead as we will lose our star striker but in turn the team could benefit without the distraction that Suarez has proved to be. All I'm saying is give the new guys a chance you never know they just might surprise us all like what happened in the not to distant past and finish with something not thought possible at the start (top four/cup who knows). All the best for the new season guys YNWA.

James

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That season we finished lower than the season before and below Everton.

Yes we won the CL, but then we had Rafa - double La Liga winner, a successful manager. Now we have Rodgers. well he took Swansea up through the playoffs.
See the difference?

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Rodgers finished with more points in his first season than rafa playing half the season with 1 striker and a bunch of teenagers

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10 Jul 2013 06:36:55
No not really, all managers had to start some where.

Paisley didn't win anything his first season after Shankley but went on to win our first European cups and til this day is one of the most successful managers in the entire world.
He started as a Physio.

Oh my, I can imagine the tosh being spouted about the great Paisley when he was appointed if we had the same mentality back then like you do now. With the media 'sheep' and the not so inspiring 'fifa' generation.

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James, I'm with you pal. I can see the point of view of a lot of the negative posters but just don't share their view. If we can sell Suarez for a big fee and buy some more players I'd be very happy. Can't wait to see our new buys play and the likes of Allen now he's injury free and more settled. I have a feeling we'll all be sighing with relief next year when Suarez hits the bad headlines for his new club. Great players just has some issues, Bryan

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09 Jul 2013 22:17:13
Enough vitriol about Suarez.
Like any talented employee, he has evaluated his situation and has decided to change employer preferably one with slightly more realistic ambition than his current owner has.

He has seen the successful results with Torres and RVP for example. He will make new friends play up to new fans. We just need to move on, sell tactically to the right club for a substantial sum that will further our club's chances to be more ambitious. In a way he is doing us all a favour.

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Well done beancounter simples!.

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I'm happy to wait and see what happens with Suarez. As long as its decided by July 22nd. Whatever.

However, your 2 players comparisons are not apt.

Torres has has a miserable time. Either poor form when played or sat on the bench for long periods. He's picked up a couple of medals he did not earn and I'd be surprised if he said he has enjoyed his football. Suarez will go mental if he's dropped. More than usual.

RVP did business with class. He put his time in and played hard for the team that made his name. He announced up front that he would not resign and left on the best terms he could.

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09 Jul 2013 22:14:44
I'm going to have to jump on the bandwagon now and say good riddance to Suarez, he has no class or decorum at all the way he's pushed to leave us is totally disgraceful. I now feel the whole bite thing was engineered by Suarez to leave Liverpool. Personally I stuck by Suarez during the Evra incident now with retrospect I feel he led the club and Dalglish a merry dance
Good player though he is he has no place at our ground anymore and sooner rid the better I hope the board accept any reasonable offer because I feel most true LFC fans just want him gone. I pity the poor club that buy him because as soon as he decides he wants a change him and his agent try every dirty trick in the book. He has brought tons of shame on a club I've supported for thirty plus years

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I totally agree!

Ack17

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09 Jul 2013 22:07:52
Hey everyone,
Not specifically Liverpool related but I want to shout out to Clark Carlisle for doing the documentary 'football's suicide secret' which has just be shown on BBC3. As I suffer from Depression myself, I admire him for speaking about such issues.
What a man.
Now about Liverpool, I can't wait for the season to start. We've signed some players who'll make our squad stronger and let's cheer them all on. I have a good feeling about what direction we're going in.
Cheers,
Dale B {Ed002's Note - I didn't see it but read the transcript of a radio interview from earlier today and spoke with a colleague of his. Feeing is he dealt with the very difficult subject well.}

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Good shout, excellent documentary, interesting to see the different approach from the German/English FA. German international goalkeeper commits suicide (sorry forgotten his name), outcry, pro-activity, what can we do to help this issue, Gary Speed suicide. nothing.

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09 Jul 2013 22:02:29
Suarez saga!
The problem is Real Madrid want him but are only willing to pay 30m for him. Suarez knows this and that's why we has made waves to force a move.
Liverpool won't sell for less than his get out claus which is 40m.
Liverpool will not even contemplate on selling to another premier league club unless its a must.

I think Suarez has been given bad advise from the sweet talkers behind the scenes.

Dont be suprised if he does a 'not turn up' on his return date.

Wigfield 76***** {Ed002's Note - There is no offer from Real MAdrid and no "get out" clause. Suarez has almost certainly been given very good advice, but he is a DF.}

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Ed what do you mean by DF?

LFC1

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As a guess:

D. Rhymes with Thumb

F. Rhymes with Duck.

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10 Jul 2013 00:25:00
FumbDuck?

SteamCurtain

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What Plum Duff, is he really i'd of never of guessed.

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09 Jul 2013 21:54:50
Ha Ha Ha, there are people on here now making fun of Suarez's teeth, that is the saddest most pathetic thing I have seen for a good while on this site, you are an embarrassment to Liverpool supporters and need to take a break from this site and football in general!

Waro {Ed002's Note - I am with you on this Waro. But it does somehow bring home the point about a new breed of supporter. Liverpool supporters had a fabulous reputation for standing by the club, the management and players in adition to the fabled sense of humour. That has all gone with this new generation, or at least a proportion of them. I have cut a bunch of anti-JonJonJo and anti-Spearing posts over the past couple of days - and I find it uncomfortable.}

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It's Jonjo not Jonjonjo {Ed002's Note - Like you would know.}

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10 Jul 2013 00:26:04
Nice one Ed!

SteamCurtain

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Those making fun of Suarez's teeth should be ashamed of themselves! What a bunch of pathetic little tossers they are, laughing at another human beings' physical feature. They are probably the same people who make fun of the physically and mentally less-capable.

Grow up you SOBs.

The real AG

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Well said to be honest. I can understand why people are angry with Suarez but like 99% of people on this planet he wants a bigger slice of cake and who can really blame him! I hate reading all of these posts that hate on him or any other player. It's a shame that a higher and higher % of people on this site make the majority of LFC fans look like incompetent babbling bafoons. I'm only 22 but I grew up under the impression that LFC had the best fans around the world and my opinion is slowly changing in that regard :/
bit of a rant but hey ho.

Cheers

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It is good to support the club, manager and players. But one has to remember that there is a difference between patriotism and jingoism. A difference between supporting the club blindly and supporting the club always.

I am of the opinion that Shelvey and Spearing are not good enough. They can't be in the 1st or 2nd team if the club has any ambitions going forward.

That doesn't make me a bad supporter. One can be objective about a player's quality and still support the club through think and thin. Remember club and tradition comes before players.

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Lfc have decent fans but the club seem to get a lot of players who are just out for them selves fans love the players but players do not want that love they want the money.red mick tag

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It's easy to be magnanimous when you're the best team in the country/Europe year after year. Ask Barcelona fans.

It's not quite so easy when you've grown up with your team being outplayed week on week, finishing 4th at best, slowly slipping down the league and slowly accepting mediocrity with the delusion of transition to help you sleep. Other teams being bankrolled to success by billionaires whilst your team plans a new stadium and 15 years later still hasn't laid 1 metaphorical brick. You've gone from the most successful team in the country to not winning a title for 25 years and not even challenging. You've only won one trophy in 8 seasons.

Walk a mile in the shoes of the new breed of fans and then try getting on your high horse!

I've seen it all, I've been a match goer since 1984, but I can at least have some awareness of the difficulties of being an LFC fan under 30yrs old.

We should not be jumping on them, we should be encouraging them. They chose LFC over other more successful teams. Without young fans the club has no future at all.

Rant over

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Agree with Waro. Pathetic some fans starting to bad mouth Suarez because he wants out. He's not said a single bad word about our club he just wants more success and who can blame him? For the first time in over a decade we've had a player worthy of the famous number 7 shirt and I for one wish him every bit of luck. Luis Suarez gave everything he had on the pitch to win for Liverpool, unlike Torres who dragged his bottom lip around Anfield for 6 months

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Shelvey's game is too slow for what we're looking for it suited both parties for him to move and good luck to him.

Really disappointing if people are bashing Spearing - if ever there was a player I wanted to succeed it would be him. The lad gave more effort than Kuyt and that's a huge complement.

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Well said waro

Lifelongred

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09 Jul 2013 21:49:13
I've read with great interest the posts relating to Suarez and should he go, should we sell etc, etc.

Lets get one thing straight here, without doubt he is a fantastically talented footballer and I think we can agree does merit playing at the highest level. Unfortunately for us reds that looks most likely without us. Let him go with our wishes and move on.

I have been around long enough to know LFC will always make star footballers, I've seen Keegan leave and was gutted, only to see King Kenny arrive, then he left and in came Beardsly, Barnes etc, then they left and in came Robbie, Collymore and Owen.the point is we survived and in some cases improved/

In reallity none of the above were top players when they joined us, they were good but we made them better. We had the same situation with Torres, yet when he left in came Suarez. let's be honest here LS has had more than his fair share of problems since his arrival, almost 20 matches missed through bans. that's almost 1 in 5 if you count FA & Carling Cup games and as it's clearly in his nature can you see that improving anytime soon? How many other "world class" players receive that sort of ban on a regular basis??

So long as we get the right price for LS and give that money to BR to build I think we will improve, signs of that were clear to see in the second half of last season.

Finally don't hate LS for leaving, enjoy the memories he provided, the goals, the skill and accept he wants to move on for whatever reasons he states, true or false. Just like Torres he may well reflect that our club is like no other and our support is like no other, by that time it will be too late for him as we will have a new super star to support!

T-Mac

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Well said
Hop

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10 Jul 2013 01:26:05
Without changing the preconditions which provide the contextual situational and environmental challenges that are a factor in any footballers readiness to respond, we allow ourselves the luxury of ignoring - considering irrelevant - all past and present social factors. To say otherwise threatens the way things are by exposing the fallacy for why things are this way. By blaming nature, we run the same logical path as eugenics and are using a cop out to avoid the fact that our club has mismanaged Suarez time and again.

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09 Jul 2013 21:42:51
ed's if I post a link up in the post when I comment does it automatically get deleted? as I said earlier I was trying to spread awareness about a young boy with a rare brain abnormality but its not been put up and iv'e tried 4 or 5 times to post it!

Cheers {Ed002's Note - I have not seen it but it would likely go on one of teh other pages. If you send it in and mark it for Ed002 I will figure it out.}

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09 Jul 2013 21:40:02
Official: HM just joined Dortmund and signed a 4 years deal. Shirt no.10 so please forget him!

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09 Jul 2013 21:34:46
Hi eds, any news on who we will go after now that Mkhitaryan has gone to Dortmund? Are we still interested in Eriksen? {Ed052's Note - Probably, but I don't expect anything to come of it}

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09 Jul 2013 19:01:34
Ed52 and ed01 with recent articles in the major tabloids about the snubs from Micky and Alonso regarding lfc having a reality check. I'm under the impression we didn't even make a bid for these players! Is true or have I missed some posts that we actually made a bid and were rejected by the players.

Thanks
Sajid {Ed052's Note - We bid for Mickey, but wouldn't be held to ransom. And what Alonso snub? There has been no snub from him}

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Well done I couldn't agree more

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10 Jul 2013 06:40:46
I think you need a reality check!
Don't believe whatever you read in the papers!
That's lame!

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09 Jul 2013 21:21:44
Been reading through a lot of posts over the last couple of weeks and what shocks me more than anything is the number of social led supporters whining like my 3 year old daughter when she can't have something she wants, supporters slating the owners for not giving into teams prices, for buying players they have never heard of, watched kick a ball or given a chance, then there are the supporters going on about Suarez and his latest comments, why?
FSG have spent money on 4 players already, toure may have been a free, but doesn't mean there are no costs, plus we made a bid for Micky, believed to be around £20 million. How isn't that spending money?
Alberto and aspas already been called bargain basement, not good enough. Has any of us been over to scout theses players? Watched them apart from you tube? I very much doubt it so why not give them a chance?
Suarez made it as clear as glass he has no respect for our team not long after he joined by coming out with stupid personic racist remarks, then denied it, made excuses then refused to even shake hands, who the hell does that? Then bites another player in front of thousands of paying supporters, families and millions of tv viewers, the bloke may well be a very talented player, but for someone who can damage a teams history and name like this is no team player. He may put in 100% on the pitch but what's the point of this if he is banned for a third of it?
I don't give a . Who buys him, as long as they pay the price that we deem fair he can do one.
Then there the persons who complain about missing out on players because Ayer/FSG/Rodgers/lack of funds, what would the same people complaining say if we let Suarez go for the first bid? Nice one well done? No they will say hold out for the best price? So why is this different to when we bid?
I've lost count of how many times the eds try to explain the purchase price is just that, doesn't include a truck load of add ons, plus the wages for the duration of the players contract.

I've been a supporter for over 30 years, I've seen some amazing players grace Anfield, and I've seen some dross, every player has the ability to make it or not, if they are given the chance to pull our shirt on then they have the right to earn their place in our team, they deserve our support, if they don't work out they move on, that is the risk LFC and the manager takes buying any player regardless of price, a lot of you on here are complete plastic supporters or morons, sorry but it has become a joke the amount of abuse the team players managers get if they don't compete a transfer for a player hardly anyone has heard of but he must be amazing because he cost over 20 million. B***dy pathetic,
Sorry to go on but it's gone beyond stupid now, complaining we are a selling club, who have we actually sold that people weren't giving abuse to last season?
I support my team, I support one of the greatest teams to play, I support the players the manager and thank the owners for what they have saved us from.
I was taught from an early age that if you haven't got something constructive to say then keep your mouth shut, so my advice to you cretins out there that consistently have the urge to type before you think, research the player you are begging to buy, research the players you are writing off, actually research how close we were to going under before FSG bought us, look at how much we have spent year on year, then even if your opinion is not what people like if you can back it up then fair enough.

Sorry again but reading banter and rumours is great but when a majority of it is just stupid and pathetic it kind o FSG winds me up.

Can't wait to c Suarez do one and c who we bring in to replace him, great window so far.


Lifelongred

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Well said! Right from the heart.

Livern01

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One of the best posts I read on this site.Brilliant. P.S. you're doing graet work eds as I would imagine this time of year must induce migranes.

Fred

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Well said life long red.the thing about the real negative fans are if we do well next season or any season for that matter.they get to enjoy it just as much as the people who supported the owners and players etc. you can't just moan when things don't turn out how you want them to.and then smile away when there going good

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Well said - completely agree. (Also a supporter of 30 years +)

RedTed

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I could not agree more. Thank you for posting this. I have been a supporter for the last 15 years. YNWA mate

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Great post

Kidder

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Finally. Great Post mate. You have said everything I couldn't be arsed saying.
Davey Liver

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Nice post lifelongred.
I think many so called fans forget that the club has had worse set-backs in its proud history. Unfortunately one too many "fans" appear too willing to make knee-jerk comments on lfc fan websites and wider-based public sites such as bbc mcnulty's (embarrassing or what? Even to rise to the bait).
Anyhow, I thought it appropriate to add that new owners have commited a lot to the club (and reinstilled the Liverpool ethics). Moreover, we should all remember we were not that far off in some of those crucial games that we lost through silly errors. iMHO Rogers is molding a team to compete (if you consider latter half of season). Many of the players are good enough - the team play, tempo and style is developing all the time.
We should focus more on positives and getting behind the team than whining on about this and that. Suarez may actually stay (remember Tevez saga and look what happened when he returned helping City to long awaited PL title - omens?)
Should Suarez leave, LFC will fight on and i, like most other fans, will still support Rogers' transformation of the team, whether LS is replaced or not and even if another marquee signing comes in. I once stood in Heysel stadium and swore never to watch another game but i'm still doing it!
Yes the quality and qualities of our players are vitally important to teams' success but its a two way street - show the high qualities off the field as you expect on it - get behind your team and support the players, management and owners -they are trying to do the best for the club with what they have! let's be more positive (remember you might be surprised which players read fan pages)
Sorry for the rant. Feel its overdue.
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Well done I couldn't agree more. The spirit of shaky truly lives on

Paul

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Well said

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Best post in ages well done mate!

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Fantastic post!

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09 Jul 2013 21:11:55
Wow I remember reading match mag when I a child, good times

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09 Jul 2013 21:02:02
Like I say . Never get attached to any player - they have no loyalties but to themselves.

Still won't slate him tho- he was a brilliant play for us - and iffy we were any good he would want to leave.

His choice to leave, it's a free country, he's an employee, so let him - if all parties are happy then no problem.

M

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09 Jul 2013 22:20:42
Of coarse we were so loyal to Spearing who played his heart out for us or shelvey who always respected & wanted to stay, haha mate it works both ways!

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That is true for some, but I feel there is an exception for gerrardd

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09 Jul 2013 20:47:15
Eds, any idea what players will be at Gerrard's testimonial? Thanks {Ed001's Note - no, I don't know sorry. There was supposed to be a list posted on the official site of the confirmed players, no idea whether that was done or not though.}

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Will it be a Liverpool xi v an olympiakos xi or will it be just another pre season friendly with the current squad. thanks ollivander {Ed002's Note - You will almost certainly see players from the past 15 years pulling their XXXL shorts over their humongous asses and bothering the St John's Ambulance one last time.}

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John arne riise said he wasnt going to be playing as it was a important game for lfc.this implies it will be a proper first tream friendly game, that's my impression from his post anyway.could be wrong.

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09 Jul 2013 19:42:04
Hi ed001. I don't like to be negative about the current state of the club but with Suarez wanting out due to lack of cl football, it brings the exit of Torres all back again. He left because we weren't competing at the same level which he felt would win trophies etc, which to be honest is fair enough. We then signed Suarez, who once had established himself, also wanted to leave for the same reasons. Now we have coutinho for example, who is an exceptional player. It will be extremely difficult to get top 4 next season, so who's to say he won't want to leave as well? The only players we seem to be linked with are players who might one day be good, but the jury is still out (luis alberto for example).
My question is, do you really believe that we will get back into Europe/competing for titles with this type of approach? I really fear that summers like this with our star players wanting away will be a continuous cycle every year. What are your thoughts ed001? Thanks for your last reply by the way :)
Aldo88 {Ed001's Note - I think we will get back, it just takes time to build a team. Losing selfish people like Torres and Suarez just enables us to create the team ethic we will need to do so. We can't win by outspending the rest, so we have to win by working together.}

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And I like that way ed. great reply man.

Alfie

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Come on Ed seriously?

When Lpool were the top team in the 70's and 80's we were full of selfish players then as well, that's why we won everything. don't think all those players would have stayed if they were in the same place as todays Lpool do you?

This cycle will just continue with buying young talent who after a few years winning nothing will go to sides that can and tbh I don't blame Luis whatsoever for wanting to play in big finals etc.

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{Ed001's Note - I think we will get back, it just takes time to build a team. Losing selfish people like Torres and Suarez just enables us to create the team ethic we will need to do so. We can't win by outspending the rest, so we have to win by working together.}

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Most great strikers are selfish, that what makes them great strikers .
If someone moves on, just remember the good times, and what they have given . people have reasons to do what they do . Remember Rushie wanted to try Italy for a while, we kissed him good bye and welcomed him back with open arms .
Calling our players and ex players all sorts is just bitter . and I know you are many steps above that.
Roy {Ed001's Note - actually Rushie was told to take the offer by the club, he never forced his way out, nor threw his toys out of his pram when offers were rejected prior to the one that was finally accepted. Nothing bitter about calling a selfish brat a selfish brat, and both Torres and Suarez have shown themselves to be selfish brats.}

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09 Jul 2013 22:12:15
I really don't know why we are complaining so much, Suarez is not the first player to leave or won't be the last player to leave!

Maca
Torres
Owen
Gerrard (at one stage)
Mascharano
Reina(at one stage)
Now Suarez the list will continue if we don't achieve our targets, coutinho will be the next one, if he cotinues his form where he left, then in 2 years teams like barca, madrid, chelsea etc will be looking at him, & we will be here saying how greedy, disloyal, ungreatful etc etc, instead of looking why these all players have forced to leave! {Ed001's Note - none have been forced to leave, what a ridiculous thing to say!}

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09 Jul 2013 17:09:05
Hi Ed's 30/52 where do u see Suarez ending up? Are Madrid still interested since they have a new manager? Can u see Liverpool selling to a prem rival if the valuation is met? {Ed030's Note - Yeah Madrid are still interested,He would be a idiot should he stay in the premier league. }

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He is an person though Ed, that's been the problem.

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09 Jul 2013 20:56:54
Sell that GOOFY suarez to madrid or somewhere else he's doing my heading now, get 50 or 55m and do a runner lfc, look at the players we could sign. My ideal signings for lfc
Luis Gastavo need a CDM 9m
Jovetic need another striker 25m
Papa another centre back 15m
Cissicko from valencia 4m

They be the ideal signings for me just my opinion
What do you think could happen EDs

Thanks EDs for this great site
YNWA

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Easy as that huh?. get your head on straight mate why would any big player want to join Lpool right now?

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Liverpool actually need to pull their finger out and stop insulting the clubs by offering pennies.

Lost out on Mkitaryan by doing that then ended up acting 24hours too late. Liverpool knew all along what it would take to get him yet they did nothing but keep talking with the club? why when they know the kind of price it would take?

but life goes on

Gustavo, Sakho and Cissokho would come because the world cup is coming around and let's face it most players that play for Liverpool end up playing for their national teams. We take players mold them into Leaders.

in terms of Eriksen and Papadopoulos Liverpool & the EPL is a major step up from where they are now.

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09 Jul 2013 20:55:08
Hi Eds. let's say that Chelsea would want to give us 25 mil plus Torres, do You think Liverpool would accept it? Thanks {Ed002's Note - I really have no answer for that.}

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No because at our minimum valuation of Suarez it means we've blown 15m on a player we don't want and wages that would cover 3 non superstar signings. Ridiculous.

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09 Jul 2013 20:43:25
Right now I'm getting mixed feelings about Mr suarez, on one hand he's a maverick talent who has the ability to change and win games on his own, has the skill to grace any team in world football, but on the other hand he's a lying, ungrateful brat who bit the hand that fed him, and showed no loyalty and also showed his true colours. He threw everything we had done for him back in our faces and even made shore we would be getting a lower fee for him, with his comments in the media.

Now Suarez wants to leave for champions league, but this isn't about what's best for suarez its about what's best for us, now we could get a star who eclipses suarez achievements who makes us quickly forget about suarez or we could muck up completely. Or we could keep the player and he could knuckle down and get us top 4 or we could be left with an unhappy player trying to force a transfer, but if he does play he would still give 100% because its in his nature. I think the best thing would be to sell him and get 1 or 2 players that fit into the system better, my suggestion would be Yevhen Konoplyanka or a playmaker and a forward who can play wing or up top. I would sell him on two accounts, 1. not to a team in the premier league, 2. don't accept a low offer, try and get a fee that reflects his actual value.

Obviously he could have a change of heart and stay or he would have to agree to any move but we have been treated like fools in the transfer market in recent years because we have allowed it to happen, but I trust the club and hope a positive situation comes out of this all.

Lil Red

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Suarez is a top player, we all know this. However the way in which he is orchestrating the move is wrong.
However, it points to an alarming problem; he has been at the club for almost 3 years and the club he joined is no closer to CL qualification. He is at the club day in day out and probably sees the writing on the wall at the club. If he genuinely thought the club could achieve CL qualification then I am sure he would stay for another season. I don't blame him for wanting to leave, it's the manner he's doing it in.
I think we have the wrong people in charge and he knows it and wants to get out. In my time as a LFC fan (since the 70s) I have never seen so many top class players leaving in such a few seasons (Alonso, Torres, Masch and possibly Pepe, Suarez)
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Same thing happened with Gerrard who used the media to lie about not feeling wanted because Lpool never treated his deal any different to any other player.

All these persons burning shirts and turning on Luis did the same then, now they use his behaviour as an excuse but we always knew what Luis was like and we didn't urge Lpool not to buy him in outrage did we?

pathetic so called fans embarrassing the rest of us because any player in his prime wanting to leave is a traitor. Yet when we have players who would die for the shirt but aren't great players its ok them same fans saying get rid and posting insults. Where is the loyalty then, it works both ways guys.

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To the last poster(no name) your so right great point like suarez is this and that and then by the way is that spearing or whatever his name is lad gone yet.fans are fickle.and if suarez wants out wave goodbye and get ready to welcome the new additions

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09 Jul 2013 20:41:37
Liverpool are going nowhere very fast. buying unproven players seems to be the norm these days. fair enough we brought in coutinho and sturridge who have made their mark in the premier league. we have to spend on top quality players to get in the top 4 this coming season . imagine a once great club like my beloved Liverpool not fighting for the league title but battling to get ino the top 4. its a sad sad state of affairs. SA RED

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Totally agree with you, CL revenue is more important these days. Lpool have been mismanaged for decades. With our world wide support we should have been out of sight by now.

But your an awful negative supporter if you post these thoughts.

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By 'we have to spend' you mean the 'owners need to spend more' I imagine? It's always very easy to spend other people's money. {Ed002's Note - You will never win this battle.}

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But sure what goes up must come down.simple as that.we have gone through a bad patch we might be on the way back up though so try help out in the only way you can.unless you have few spare million to actually invest.SUPPORT THE TEAM.be proud of what we have achieved.and hope for what we can achieve.

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Imagine Rangers in Scots Div 3, ManCity in League One, Leeds going bust. No god given right to success especially when most of it was self- inflicted. Moores fell asleep at the wheel, Souey ripped up the boot room and made disastrous signings and although Evans and Houllier and Benitez had some great players and almost great teams we were by then playing catch-up. Hicks & Gillett and Commoli combined to set us back possibly a decade. I'm afraid it's a long way back and I have watched Liverpool since 1976. I support the youth-led, entertaining brand of football BR is developing.

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I am not being negative. that is the reality. we are competing with the likes of spurs and norwich for players. all I am saying is we need investment in 2 or 3 proven players . the young players can also gain experience from established players. I am also a supporter from the 70s. I am also sad to see my team in this condition. rodgers needs the board to back him.

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10 Jul 2013 08:37:20
Sadly true, Ed002. Doesn't mean I'm not going to try though.

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09 Jul 2013 20:36:47
I've kept the faith with Saurez up to now because I thought he might be being taken advantage of, mis translated etc, but now it's getting beyond a joke. Yes he might be passionate, profess his love for the Club, but actually it looks like he's a feckless mercenary, too stupid to understand the limits of decent behaviour and not worthy of our support. If he's so sure that all these clubs want him, let's see the colour of their money £50 Million plus or he can rot in the reserves; his choice. And don't sell him to anyone in EPL because, basically, why should we? Shame to see another idol so shamelessly rubbish our club and demean himself. If you don't want to play for the shirt, then we'll have the money and find someone who does, preferably who is not a halfwit.

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Players like Shelvey and Spearing and Kuyt played for the shirt but the fans deem them not worthy so again where is the loyalty from the fans then, hypocrisy at its best. {Ed022's Note - I still don't understand how fans didn't get right behind Shelvey. In my opinion he was one hell of a talent and just needed a season long loan to another PL club. Alas, t'was not to be. Swansea have one hell of a player on their hands now though, potentially.}

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10 Jul 2013 08:37:54
Shelvey just didn't have it. He was slow, cumbersome, rash in the tackle and had a poor attitude.

Neilp

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10 Jul 2013 08:44:40
Completely agree with Ed0022. Shelvey is very raw but extremely talented footballer although perhaps not everyones cup of tea. his long pinpoint passes were a reminder of Gerrard. I think another loan would have been preferable. alas we move on.

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09 Jul 2013 20:34:34
I think we should all trust the Rodgers will deal with Luis in a way the suits the club best. As much as I admire him for what he can do on the football pitch, NO footballer is bigger then Liverpool FC. Many great players have come and gone through the years and they have all been replaced. When Owen left, people thought that we were finished and look what we achieved, with what was a very average team. The fans need to start remembering that we are the 12th man/ The type of fans that can drive our team on to score, or strike fear in the opposition. let's start acting like proper LFC fans again and start being optimistic about the season ahead. Without dreams, how will you ever make them a reality. If we perform like a team and that includes the fans, top 4 is within our reach. It is ours to lose.
P.s, great site to all the eds

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09 Jul 2013 20:30:17
Is there any interest in any right sided players? feel right wing is a real weakness for us, aside from downing all the other players that had a stint at right wing are much better in field or on the left, sterling, suso, sturridge, hendo so I don't understand why we haven't prioritised this posistion. I know it is a very difficult position to find ideal players for but with rumours downing might also be for sale we surely need not 1 but 2 right sided players, and if they are left footed, even better. Thoughts?

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I see Aspas playing there. Sturridge central. Probably a new LW. Coutinho CAM.

What I see happening anyway.

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Aspas is a striker/cf so it will be another player out of position. Again I don't understand why this position isn't a priority, why we aren't looking at ben arfa/sanchez/lamela especially if we know there is £25m plus ready to be spent. Even if we signedarelative youngster/unknown I would be happy, at least then wehave cover, I don't really see any quality coming through our youth system for this position either.

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I'll caveat this with this is strictly my interpretation of what I've seen and BR's various remarks on it, but I think you might be thinking too literal in terms of positions. If you look at someone like Aspas, one of his strengths seems to be that he moves around a lot and likes to cut into central positions from wide right (being a left footed player). I don't expect he'd be pinging in crosses like a normal RW (say like a Downing or Sterling might do), but I think that's part of the design of what BR is trying to do.

BR seems to want a team of highly technical, hard pressing footballers who are very flexible positionally. Will it work? I don't know but I think it could make for some very entertaining games at the least.

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I thought Sterling and Suso can both play wide right? They aren't talented? Not that we play with wide players up front. 4-2-3-1 means Aspas, Suarez, Coutinho as the three (at the moment) with width from full backs. Do you even watch us?

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Aspas played the whole of the last two seasons mainly on the right in a 4-2-3-1 system. I think that he will be nominated amongst the best buys of the season come May.

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09 Jul 2013 20:26:20
After just 1 year Dirk Kuyt has been offered back to Liverpool on a free transfer. His contract has been canceled and Liverpool get first refusal {Ed002's Note - If his contract has been cancelled why would anyone have "first refusal"? Hopeless.}

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09 Jul 2013 21:11:02
Ed002 - quality response

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09 Jul 2013 20:26:20
Spearing to Blackburn for £1.75m

AGE

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09 Jul 2013 20:22:45
If Chelsea do buy Suarez then what happens to ivonovic?

MIKEY {Ed002's Note - Nothing. Why would it?}

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09 Jul 2013 21:55:11
He makes sure he plays on the same training team to keep as far away from suarez as possible or just knocks his teeth out :P

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09 Jul 2013 22:06:30
Perhaps Suarez has gotten the 'taste' for chelsea players - so ivanovic will be safe ;)

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Clearly the biting may not fly every training session haha

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Because small minds believe that Ashley Williams couldn't join LFC because of comments made in a book about Suarez. I know lots of footballers and far, far worse than a book or a nibble goes on day in day out in training. Players who hate each other play in the same team sometimes for years.

Kidder

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Theyd go for a meal together probably. Nice bottle of wine.

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09 Jul 2013 20:18:10
Hi Eds
Forgive my ignorance, but what contractual reasons relate to LS ( don't even feel like saying his name anymore), not yet handing in a transfer request? What do you think is stopping him?
Appreciate the hard work and all trollers are infidel imbeciles.

BaldyRed {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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09 Jul 2013 20:17:56
Saurez wants to go.
Wants Champions League.
Fair enough, top 5 player.
Most of us understand this.
So.
Put a transfer request in and be a man instead of trying to take the club for more money, I'd respect that more than the crap coming out at the moment.
For someone who doesn't like the media, he's never out of it.
Any chance of a bit of class. No I didn't think so.

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Top post!

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Quality post!

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09 Jul 2013 20:17:44
Well Well Luis, You are officially off your cakehole!
He may as well stick an Everton shirt on just for the final insult!
I hope Liverpool have told his agent the price we will sell for and that there is a deadline of say. August 1st.
If he has not gone by then he stays and whinges like a blurt.
I am actually afraid to turn the telly or radio on to see what this fruitloop has done next.
He will have joined al queda by the end of the week.
In all seriousness I just hope it is done quickly so we can move on.
My question to the Eds is. Who would want to buy this nutcase bearing in mid that every club he has been at have bolted the door behind them?
When he left Ajax they had a full stadium of fans wishing him well and waving him goodbye. They were'nt soft were they!
Making sure he left the country!

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09 Jul 2013 20:15:59
I just can't figure out who we could buy once we sell Suarez. There are only so many top strikers out there, and how many of them would want to join Liverpool? I just hope we don't end up settling for a Benteke or a Weimann or a Torres (definitely not Torres though)

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If it were up to me(it's not btw) I would ask real madrid could we give them 15 mil and suarez and we take modric and huguain. {Ed002's Note - Do you think they would want to make such a move?}

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09 Jul 2013 21:19:12
Hugauin might, modric would take a lot of convincing though, have to throw in the promise of a personal hair stylist to follow him around or something.

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When will some of you football manager persons use your brains?

Why would they come to Lpool?. you seem to think its all so easy.

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09 Jul 2013 20:11:08
Hi Ed's do you know if Liverpool have any incomings in the pipeline right now? And isit safe to say with the players we have sold our transfer budget hasn't been affected atall? {Ed002's Note - Ilori remains in hand. I don't know of any budget.}

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09 Jul 2013 20:06:40
With regards to the comment by Suarez saying he's glad that teams like Arsenal still value him. I might be wrong but I think he was referring to the fact that even after all his incidents and they way that he has been treated by fans of other clubs in england, that an english club woukd still want him. Otherwise why else would he say "still"?

Hounsred {Ed002's Note - It was translated - don't disect and try to read anything literal in to the words. He is a DF who is intent on leaving.}

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09 Jul 2013 19:51:46
In london its understood that its us and spurs wanting benteke! Liverpool really want him! Although his head has been turned by dembele

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Simon Mignolet has some work to do. LOL!

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Dembele must have long arms.

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Original poster again, Liverpool really want him and are willing to pay! But like I said dembele has turned his head! Now up to the player! Said 'who?' Agent told him to hand in request!

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Original poster again, Liverpool really want him and are willing to pay! But like I said dembele has turned his head! Now up to the player! Said 'who?' Agent told him to hand in request!

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09 Jul 2013 19:51:44
In order to compete we need new owners prepares to spend more money. A sad fact of reality.

We have become a selling club. Very sad but I'm still behind Brendan though.

Hessle Red

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The owners are already making a substantial loss. The owners need to stabilise the club to make it self sufficient, thankfully that's what they are trying to do.

MIKEY

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Liverpool FC is in the top 5 in England in terms of turnover and wages. Above teams like Spurs and Everton, last I checked. I don't see their supporters moaning about how they can't compete with us since we've got more money than them.

Is it more difficult to win the league knowing that teams like Man United have twice our revenue and City twice our wage bill? Of course it does. It doesn't mean it's impossible though just that we'll have to be a bit smarter than they are to do so.

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09 Jul 2013 20:41:39
Can't understand why your having a to at FSG.

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Do some people not get what a selling club is?

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09 Jul 2013 22:54:17
Look at borussia Dortmund, they didn't spend a lot of money and look were it took them. We need to be patient and develop the people we buy into better players

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09 Jul 2013 19:35:58
When Suarez leaves we should be targetting a quality playmaker to replace him

Pjanic
Modric
Hamsik
Pastore
Eriksen

Any of those would be amazing in the CAM role

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Or we could just let Coutinho play there.

What exactly is is people have against the players we already have? Sturridge scores 10 goals and gets 5 assists in 14 games and everyone wants to replace him with Benteke for some reason. Coutinho comes in and plays wide left for us, does well, but then gets a shot at the CAM position and is extraordinary. So let's replace him with Eriksen. Why?

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Coutinho
Suso

Red Raw

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Bernard and eriksen would do me these two with coutinho behind sturridge but let's wait and see before we slag luis off yes don't like what he's saying but the 40 plus mil hasn't come in yet I think if he was honest in the beginning instead of blaming the paps we wouldn't feel as angry

mayhem 1981

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09 Jul 2013 19:10:29
How goes it eds, do you think in your opinion that if suarez hands in a transfer request that LFC will then decide to move him on for the right price? Sorry I know you must be sick to death of this malarky
Delahunty. {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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09 Jul 2013 19:06:58
a few years ago we lost mata to chelsea.
is it possible we get him back in a deal involving suarez?
he's the description of a gentleman footballer.
no antics. no talk . not a money hounder. plays for a teams interest and is most importantly one of the best player in BPL. he was and is still an ideal Liverpool signing. better than suarez .
mata, I mean if he still was to be sold he would command a 30million at best. which is way a bargain for him. {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath.}

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09 Jul 2013 19:03:36
I do really hope that the conversation between Suarez's agent and BR ended with BR saying "Tell that ungrateful whining little $h!t to get his ar$e to pre-season training, or else!" Instead of publicising his betrayal on his native radio station, he should be dragged back kicking and screaming if necessary, and if he wants to go he should ASK to leave - I realise this will cost him a golden handshake, but the only "shake" he deserves is by the throat by players such as Stevie G, Carra, Hamman, Fowler and many more before them (and hopefully after, too) - players who knew what the shirt and the fans meant, and appreciated that fact. I am hoping for a quick resolution to this, so we can rid ourselves of this little irritant - that said, if he stays I will revert to my traditional loyal way and support him through thick and thin - and goodness knows he has driven us to both extremes with his antics. In BR we trust.


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09 Jul 2013 19:02:34
Liverpool should not sell Luis Suarez to a Premier League team.
Suarez wants Champions League football and would only go to a club that has it.
Liverpool want Champions League football and would be competing against Suarez and the team that has him.
Selling him to Bayern Munich or Real Madrid, as they are the only teams I think would realistically go for him, means we would only compete with him and them when we get back into the Champions League.

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09 Jul 2013 18:58:09
I feel that the FA should bring new rules about contracts, not just Suarez, but Benteke, Rooney and co. RVP did it right in my opinion he said he wouldn't sign a new contract as he wanted to leave, which in turn arsenal decided to sell and get what they could. What's the point in signing if there is no commitment? Forcing through moves shows a complete lack of respect to a club and its fans. If a player wants out they should buy out the remainder of their contract and move for a set fee. {Ed002's Note - Where would the players get the money to buy out their contracts?}

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Get a loan like the rest of us! {Ed002's Note - This is why we don't discuss finances.}

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That would be their problem maybe make them think twice before actually signing a contract

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Was just trying to get the point across that there is too much player power

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09 Jul 2013 18:54:32
Hi Ed,

I was just wondering if there was any way we can get Suarez to keep his mouth shut and if so, why the hell aren't we doing it?

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You can pay me a small sum and ill make sure he's to scared to say anything again lol

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You couldn't even sow them shut with that set of teeth in the way.

MIKEY

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09 Jul 2013 19:26:08
Hi Ed's

Is there any news regarding Susaeta. Tried searching but couldn't find anything new reg him. Perhaps you've heard anything?
I think he would be a great buy at 6-9 million.

Cheers,
//Carl {Ed002's Note - Nope.}

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09 Jul 2013 19:25:10
Eds, is there any chance of a bid for sessegnon, think he would fit our style and be an affordable option? {Ed002's Note - Search engine.}

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We have enough affordable options

mayhem 1981

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09 Jul 2013 19:24:43
If Suarez leaves and we get 40 million pounds it's a good deal. We played much more like a team without him, with him it was usually just "find Suarez and we're golden". Well we played nicely but clearly not good enough to get 4th with that mentality. It would be better for the team over all.

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09 Jul 2013 19:22:21
Prob be alone on this but hope we sell suarez and rebuild for less. Would be nice to finally give summit bck to club at transfer window time

Waltonred

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We will get left behind for years

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Really? Think we have improved already and not losing money on transfers this window, sturridge can be main man instead of suarez, and don't 4get borini. This kid has movemnt like robbie.

Waltonred

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Movement like Robbie Savage, give the kid a break, yer loon.

Waro

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Ive read it all now your second post had legs and then they completely fell off

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09 Jul 2013 19:21:24
Glad to see Callejon going to Napoli. Don't want him to play for Liverpool. Overrated.
TjRed

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09 Jul 2013 19:16:19
rumours going around chelsea to use ivanovic as bait for Suarez.

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Haha brilliant.

MIKEY

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MIKEY, yer no that scouse sense of humour you talked about the other night? Did you not take yours with yer to Birkenhead.

Waro

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09 Jul 2013 18:43:19
This may sound like a stupud question but Eds is it perfectly possible we will spend less than we receive this summer.
icered {Ed002's Note - Many things are possible.}

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09 Jul 2013 18:37:50
if mourinho, wants suarez? he will get suarez. your forgetting BR is good friends with mourinho

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09 Jul 2013 19:13:58
Wow. Just, wow.

He's gone then isn't he.

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By that logic if we want Mata, we get Mata, cause Mourinho is good friends with BR. Am I right?

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Suarez should just go. he is a total disgrace. even if he does end up staying all fans should boo him.

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Does that mean we can get lukaka and 20 million because they are friends like .

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And you think BR will sell to Mourinho, because he knows him - behave - sell the best player in the PL last season to a club that will go from strength to strength anyway with the vast amount of money they have.
According to your logic then Baines and Fellaini will go to the Mancs, at a bargain price, because Moyes and Kenwright are friends.
Football is most certainly not about friendships - it's not even about football anymore - it's a business and about money.

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So he's just going to hand over Suarez. I'm sure AVB will just hand him Bale too. Why not hand him Ronaldo and Messi? It's about money not friendship. Awful post.

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He won't get him because Suarez hates the English media remember?! :/

Jonny Spandex.

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IF Chelsea bid 40-50 million then accept and let him be their issue, Torres went to the Bridge look how it ended for him let Suarez go and build a team with the money we get, one man doesn't win a title, or cup, or top four qualification a team and squad does with players throughout

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You're forgetting Chelsea is a much smaller club than us.

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09 Jul 2013 18:54:18
im good fiends with my mate Sam, doesn't mean I will get his new Jaguar now does it .

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No way Jose!

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Yes, because that is all it relies on - a former working relationship with someone always ensures a transfer, doesn't it? It does not matter that they are our rivals (maybe not close, but rivals all the same) in the League, the sale will take place because BR and Jose used to share a place of employment. of course it won't. I am not saying that a sale to Chelski will not happen - if they offer the right money, it may well do - just that your reasoning is ludicrous. Have a word with yourself.

Fishyred.

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So we're not going to think about the whole English press thing? You think mata will come because they're friends?

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So is avb and so is martin joel

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So because he has worked with him in the past he will sell his most valuable player to a rival? Suarez hates the press and FA remember so reckon he either stays or goes abroad!

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Martin Joel? I thought Billy was an only child?

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Billy wasn't but his brother was.

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09 Jul 2013 18:33:35
Hi Eds Now Saurez is going to go. Do you think we could trade with RM over some of there players such as Higuian, Alonso, Callejon, Di Maria. Saurez for any two of them I think would be good business. {Ed002's Note - Done to death.}

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09 Jul 2013 18:27:04
i would just like to appolagise to ed052 for what I said earlier regarding suarez I am now in total agreement with your views. in light of suarez recent comments syaing he's glad a team like arsenal still value him. he can get his self fuc*ed off to arsenal or the highest bidder!

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09 Jul 2013 18:18:27
Find it rather amusing when people come out with comments like offer Suarez in exchange for Player A, Player B and X million pounds. I didn't realise it was up to our fans to tell other clubs how much their players are worth and to tell those players that they want to join Liverpool.
Pipe down with your football manager suggestions and let the knowledgeable professionals do their best for the club

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09 Jul 2013 18:07:31
If and just IF Suarez goes to another EPL club.
I hope we sing something like this when we play against his new team.

Wheres your support now?
Suarez - Suarez
Who is behind you now?
Suarez - Suarez

Really don't need you now
Judas - Judas
We have a new one now
Aspas - Aspas


But if Suarez is staying at LFC.
Maybe something like this:

Were the only ones supporting you.
Suarez - Suarez
The only ones behind you
Suarez - Suarez

Were glad you stayed
Suarez - Suarez
Never felt betrayd
Suarez - Suarez

{Ed002's Note - Not at all flakey then?}

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Or just spend the money wisely and remember Suarez as a great investment that helped build Liverpool back up.

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So you're saying we'd feel betrayed if he does leave but it's all rosy if he doesn't?

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Tell me this guy is high?

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Both seem ridiculous. He's a traitor either way, if he doesn't get the move he wants because another club doesn't want him, does that mean he never wanted to leave? NO. Get over it. He's not a smart or good person.

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Get a grip ill guarentee your on your own singing that one

mayhem 1981

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What about the that Queen song.
Another one bite's a must

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Did no one else read the last verse extremely sarcastically? There is no way anyone can be glad he stayed the guy can do one.

London red

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Finally, London Red got it.
After my attempt for a song I just thought about all the crazy talk on here at times and wrote another one in the spirit of this site. And ofcourse it was ironic, sorry that if it wasnt obvious enough.

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09 Jul 2013 18:01:38
I'm just so sick if the whole Luis Suarez saga now! The guy wants to leave, so let him leave! Get the buy out clause and run! Why should Liverpool try and keep him after all he's done wrong while playing for us, plus mark my words that he will do another stupid thing that will get him banned again, let's learn from our mistakes and let him do it at another club and let them deal with him! I don't care how good of a footballer he is, we need to sell him because no one player is bigger than the club! He's more trouble than he's worth! He will never learn! So come on Madrid or PSG or Monaco place a bid in we can't refuse! I just hope that we don't sell to an English club however unlikely that may seem!

Ack17 with a liverbird upon my chest forever

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Not that sick of it that you would sell to an English side then? If I hated someone so much I wouldn't give a s**t where he went.

Waro

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09 Jul 2013 17:57:04
Do players get paid during their bans?

Suarez missing 19 games - probably eligible for child tax credits with those part-time hours. {Ed002's Note - Yes.}

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Seriously, I thought maybe they forfeit wages. I know clubs fine.

19 games, that's a lot of wages. Although I know he served 13 of those. And he's still not putting in Transfer request because he allegedly wants 5% of his sale fee!

If this is true, it's shocking! {Ed002's Note - Clubs cannot fine more than two weeks wages per offence.}

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Why do you think so many get sent off before Christmas? Missing work, getting paid and spending time with family or in clubs lol

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09 Jul 2013 17:56:01
It isn't eds?
Kopendlad {Ed002's Note - If you say so.}

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09 Jul 2013 17:48:39
I think Barcelona is the team we should be talking to regarding Suarez, they have a handful of players we actively want and could possibly negotiate into the deal and we leave our friends in the CL the thought of Messi Suarez Neymar upfront to deal with in the forthcoming season. Perfect solution

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Why? Barcelona don't want Suarez.

MUSHROOM

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I think if he was offered, they would be interested {Ed002's Note - WE have been through this - I explained weeks ago.}

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Why would Barcelona want one of the top five strikers in the world at their club, why why why.

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09 Jul 2013 17:42:46
Just my two cents worth on the Suarez saga. I can 100% understand people when they say Suarez is a must in the team for us to achieve top 4, after all he is a sensational player who can sometimes achieve what looks impossible. However, I believe placing the hope on one person's shoulders in being an integral part of helping us to achieve top 4 says that, up to now, there has been something intrinsically wrong with the team. Now people can say 'what would Barca be without Messi, Real without Ronaldo' etc etc, but the overriding factor is they are at the top, and if one of them went, they have enough power in the game to attract the very top. At present we don't. Suarez wants to leave? Let him. Rodgers is slowly implementing a philosophy of a goal threat from a variety of positions, so we aren't forced to depend upon a single player who works wonders, especially one who wants to move on. It might just be me, but I'd rather let him go and use that money to spread around the positions we desperately need to make a more solid, cohesive unit that work in tandem. Waro made a fair assessment with the Figo analogy, I'm sure a lot of fans feel that way. Personally, I love his playing style, but I loathe what he's done to the club, and for me, strength across the board is mote integral than trying to keep hold of a player who simply wants to escape our club.

JFT 96

JP

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I don`t think we are placing the hope on one player but we are a much stronger team with Luis in the side, ok he has this bad side but he`s never injured ( only banned!)and gives 100% every game, I personally will be gutted if he leaves, especially to another English club,
Unfortunately players at Liverpool in recent years obviously don`t believe they can achieve their ambitions at the club, it`s a sad reality and we will continue to lose our best players if we don`t get success
Even Stevie G contemplated leaving at one time to achieve things

Wardie

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Jesus with the philosophy, our owners etc talk the talk but know one has walked the walked which is why we finished 7th.

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Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrard, Suarez, Downing, Henderson. What do they have in common? All played regularly over past two seasons when we finished 7th & 8th. Either the eleventh man is really, really bad or the players we talk up are not all that after all. BR doing right thing building a team of talented players who will stick together for years to come. How many of the above get into City, United, Chelsea teams? That's why we can afford for a few of the above to go. They failed. Suarez is class but wants to go. Of the list above only Agger & Gerrard are must keep in my book. And their combined ages? That's why we need more Sturridge & Countinho signings. Mignolet, Toure and Aspas are all starters for me. That makes seven players with the full-backs retained because its not financially viable to replace with better without eating into funds required to fill the other spots which are DM and CM or LW (depending where we play Coutinho) Downing now looks an expensive sub and Hendo, Allen, Sterling, Alberto, Suso and Wisdom deserve their chances to stake their claims and pressure first XI. Lucas and Skrtel are saleable assets where we could replace with better quality for the same price on less wages. Missing out on HM (he and Aspas deemed enough to replace Suarez goals) may force a re-think on which position gets strengthened. We now need a really high scoring CM or LW or a striker. If its the latter where does Sturridge play?

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09 Jul 2013 17:40:36
Fellow fans
let us once and for all recognise and understand the whole Suarez soap opera. Sure, we love and admire him for his prowess on the field but now that he wants to leave (it is his right to ask for a transfer to play for CL club) we can objectively look at the player's mettle. His 'Evra' episode cost Dalglish his job and he was banned for 8 games. His biting got him suspended 10 games. we have to ask ourselves, what is wrong with the player? Competitive, yes, but he is so unpredictable it makes him a liability. I would love him to stay, and he well might, but there will always be that element of risk with him. Either tell his agent £50M+ or no sale, then get Benteke with cash left for other positions.
Talking of Benteke, it seems contracts don't mean anything these days. I would love Rodgers to sit Suarez on the bench to teach him a lesson. The only thing that I'm really disappointed about Suarez is that he 'lied' to us! To us who supported him through thick and thin when the country was calling for his head. Whatever happens, SHAME ON YOU, SUAREZ!

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Dead right mate. Problem is like you said contracts mean jack nowadays and because players are valued so highly clubs won't bench them and have their price drop through not playing and losing fitness. The owners know this but hopefully are now wise to tricks. If the right offer comes in he is sold if not, the club will keep him. Suarez will play and hopefully because he is in the shop window will behave himself and play out of his skin!

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Nice reply, but if all the top teams did the same with regard to dropping their star players and then losing match fitness would that not give them(admittedly) a small amount of power which is at the moment heavily in favour of the players. I can imagine international team managers to be looking closely to the players club form and amount of playing time.

Livern01

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09 Jul 2013 17:33:00
Suarez won't ask for transfer for 1 reason only because he doesn't want to loose any fee for himself, although he has publicly said he wants to join Madrid as soon as they offer Liverpool will have to eventually except, meaning he gets a cut, in Harry jewels words
That's football
K.o.b

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Your probably right about the transfer request, but Liverpool will not be forced to accept an offer if it don't match there valuation.

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09 Jul 2013 17:32:09
Hi eds,
Last night I sent in along, long look at how we could play against United in late August with a link, and it never got put up, should I have put this on the teams page?
Kopendlad {Ed002's Note - It is probably there.}

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09 Jul 2013 17:30:42
Suarez won't ask for transfer for 1 reason only because he doesn't want to loose any fee for himself, although he has publicly said he wants to join Madrid as soon as they offer Liverpool will have to eventually except, meaning he gets a cut, in Harry jewels words
That's football
K.o.b

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Stick him in the reserves for the next 4 years.
30yrs old, no competitive football for 4 seasons, good luck at Madrid Luis.

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"Stick him in the reserves", and potentially loose £40m transfer fee and pay him £25m in wages whilst he's sat there. Hmm.

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Yeah and we lose our best player and/or 40 odd million quid. Get real!

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09 Jul 2013 17:27:51
Hey ed's hope all is well.Just wanted to say gr8 work on the site.
Unlike some "supporters" I for one I'm very happy with the type of players v are linked.Which is credit to Rodgers and the scouting team.Even though v didn't get mkihtaryan, he's a quality, signed by a quality team.
Moreover Aspas, Alberto, Toure and mignolet are solid signings.I just want the people to give these players a chance before they even kick a ball officially for our club and support any signing s the club makes.
That is what Liverpool supporters are known for and should do.
Thank You
Liverbird

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How can Aspas and Alberto be solid signings when we don`t know much about them,
Nuri Sahin was supposed to be a solid signing so I will hold my judgement until I can see they will be an asset to the team, but I won`t hold my breath, players that no one else is interested in always worry me, take a look at last summers signings, the Moroccan for a start, I've even forgotten his name because of the little impact he's made!

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09 Jul 2013 17:24:38
dannyMAC {Ed002's Note - Search engine. He answered this a few days ago.}

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To be honest ed I wanted to ask him those questions and have a bit of banter with him.there ain't much banter in scrolling through old pages. I completely agree when you say search engine when people are asking the eds pointless repetitive questions again and again but I think that this could've been put up for him to make his own mind up.
Thanks for your time ed.
YNWA
dannyMAC {Ed002's Note - Look up the thread and respond.}

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But he's never going to look that far back and respond to me so it would be pointless surely.

dannyMAC {Ed002's Note - We are not restarting threads every couple of days. You are wasting our time.}

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09 Jul 2013 17:19:30
Afternoon all,

Personally I am not too upset at missing out on HM. Of course he is a good player and would have improved us, but for me we have other areas I feel need it more. I think its fair to assume Stevie will almost certainly be a starter this season, so that leaves 2 places to be fought over between Lucas, Allen, Henderson, Coutinho, Alberto, Suso, and that's without Teixeira pushing for a place. Assuming Aspas will be utilised wide off a front 3, and assuming Sturridge through the middle and Suarez gone, for me another wide player is our biggest requirement. Downing did well the 2nd half of the season but if we want to improve our league position I feel we need better than him. Sterling is still very young, and I feel Coutinho is more effective centrally.
Also, I think we need another left back. As good as Enrique can be on any given day he can be just as bad. And I suppose our biggest issue before the season starts will be how do we replace the weasel that is Luis Suarez. Personal feelings for the way he is continually dragging our club through the gutter aside, he is a superb footballer. Hopefully the £40M+ that we should hold out for can be re-invested and that he hasn't already been replaced with Aspas and Alberto.
But in general (so far) our squad seems to be getting a nice balance to it. BR will be able to shuffle his team around during a game with most of the players on the pitch able to play numerous positions.

Let the games begin!


Tommy Walsh

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09 Jul 2013 17:05:39
What's the significance of a player formally putting forward a transfer request? Sorry for the naivety!

I don't understand why Liverpool insist that he puts in a request unless it is to highlight that it is the player who wants to leave or a player relinquishing on any financial incentive etc. {Ed002's Note - A player requesing a transfer waives the right to 5% of the transfer fee that would otherwise be paid.}

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10 Jul 2013 09:24:44
Ed002. Is the 5% fee the oft-talked about "loyalty bonus" or is the loyalty thing something separate in a player's contract? Or am I mashing together two unrelated items? {Ed002's Note - It is part of the rules and regulations governing transfers.}

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09 Jul 2013 17:02:14
Does Jose Enrique want out as we are being linked with aly cissokho? Remember going to a Valencia match a few months back and looked promising

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Rodgers wants 2 players for every position. I'm sure he's hoping to sign cissokho for a small fee 4/5m to give the squad depth. He's not a starter in the Valencia team he'll be a back up to Enrique!

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09 Jul 2013 16:58:41
Hey Ed's,

I have a feeling that the digne, cissokho rumours are just being brought back up without any proof but in saying that it would be nice to have one of them.

In regards to illori, I know he has pretty much been the front runner in a cb target for us but with recent events regarding alderwield do you think we could make a push? Norwich have seem to become the latest club involved although it is only with his agent. Also with him leaving the Ajax camp for personal reasons and Ajax having Veltman and Van der Hoorn I reckon if we actually tried we could wrap this up quick for around 6-8 mil.

And then just one more thing in regards to agger/skrtel leaving it is apparent that another cb will be needed any chance on us looking at Simon Kjaer a solid young cb and I believe we looked before?

So yeah, switching focus from Iilori to alderweild due to recent events and Simon Kjaer. Have we shown any movement? and is Kjaer possible?

Thanks for the time
LFCPaddy

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09 Jul 2013 16:48:22
People need to start believing in this great club Once again. To often have we tried the quick fix route which so far has not worked. In rodgers we should trust. maybe his methods won't work, but a lot of our fans seem to forget that once you join this GREAT club, You'll never walk alone. So let's join together, "walk on through the storm" and cheer this club back to success. Rodgers is building for the long term just like old red nose did and look where it got them. We should put our faith and trust in our manager and team, and remember, the best 11 players don't always make the best team.

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Great post, I totally agree. BR is the right man for the job, there's no quick fix we as fans need to get behind Rodgers & the team. Given time & support from FSG & fans alike Rodgers can build a squad capable of taking us into CL & challenging for the title. YNWA.

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09 Jul 2013 16:29:07
Wat does Suarez mean by saying phone call can change everything? {Ed002's Note - He is referring to his agent saying there is a new club for him. I understand what the English refer to as the "bleedin' obvious".}

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09 jul 2013 18:56:11
calm, down, calm down ed

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09 Jul 2013 16:20:44
I don't care if we only get a fiver for him. Personally, I just want that person Suarez away from our club.

Excited, excited, EXCITED about next season :)

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09 Jul 2013 16:18:50
With regards to HM signing for Dortmund, .

Surely when players are signed they themselves will have some input as to where they would prefer to go.

You can moan about Ian Ayre etc but if HM weighed it all up and came to the conclusion that Dortmund would be a better bet then so be it.

I really only want players who have a burning desire to play for Liverpool - if their heart isn't in it then its best they don't join.

Same thing with Suarez - away you go son - your agent is whoring you about to other clubs trying to strike a deal - fingers crossed they do and that it benefits Liverpool.

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I think Mkhitaryan may have well had a better chance of joining if we had been willing to bid enough to get him. We didn't, he went to someone who did. Nothing to really do with the player's preferences in my opinion.

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What? They offered the right amount of money we didn't as per that's why they got him. If we had matched them he still may have joined them, but you never know.

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Apart from us both offering the same amount of money. Obviously Dortmund are a more attractive offer than us due to CL

Dragon3383

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09 Jul 2013 16:11:03
Suarez is really getting on my nerves and am sure I speak for majority in sayin we want him out

He really hasn't given any thought about how this is going to affect lfc and the fans, he could have done averythin in private and said to lfc that I want to leave if a champions league club puts in a bid which is acceptable and let his agent do the work but he's now talkin about arsenal and chelsea lol this guy is such a lier it was never about media it was about getting out of lfc

Not gutted he wants to leave but gutted and dissapointed as to how he has treated lfc


Basy

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If Liverpool had done their home work correctly then they would have know just what kind of character they were signing, so in a lot of ways you can't feel too sorry for Liverpool for the way things have turned out.

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09 Jul 2013 16:10:47
I thought Suarez wanted to leave LFC only because he didn't like the way he was treated by the English media.

So now it has changed and all he wants in CL football?

I would care if he went to Chelsea or Arsenal as long at they pay through the nose for him.

We will be A poorer team without him but now can't wait for him to go.

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09 Jul 2013 16:10:12
Suarez is a joke! The amount of support the club has given him over the last couple years, and he's still trying his best to get a move away. Even getting his agents to approach arsenal and Chelsea. The whole reason he wanted to leave is because his family couldn't even go outside for a walk without bring harrast by the media. Even though he bought it on himself, I understood that reason. But now he's way out of line. "Ill report back to training on the 21st but a call could change everything" what a little princess! We should sell him to Madrid PSG monoco Barcelona. NOT arsenal or Chelsea. What he's doing is a disgrace! He did it at Ajax to! Either tell him he's staying and shut up! Or sell him.

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You knew he did it at Ajax but you still went ahead and bought him, so for me you have little room for complaint. Dazza

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We need to sell him to whoever will pay up. Period.

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Whichever way you look at it a little pain for a big gain we will probably double our money in my mind it's been worth it, if we don't get the cash I would seriously consider tellin' him he's on gardening leave and let him rot with the rest of the compost, we're going to have to do without him any way, as for the management he would only go to Europe for me preferably Russia and preferably Kamchatka (don't want a smart arse tellin' me Russia isn't in Europe).
StevieH

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09 Jul 2013 16:32:09
If Rodgers is smart, then our back-up option to Mhki should be Bernard. He's 21 soon, everyone knows his quality, we we've been scouting him for years, he knows Coutinho well from Brazil youth squads, at $20m he should be the marquee signing when Suarez leaves.

Coutinho, Bernard, Aspas, Sturridge - this front 4 will be fantastic. More importantly, it allows all players to play their preferred position, Aspas right-sided forward, Bernard left-sided forward, Coutinho a No.10, Sturridge the main striker.

His agent has said 5 clubs have bid for him, let's throw our hat in there and go all out for the wonderkid. Also, who doesn't love a Brazilian? Thoughts. RC

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Wud absolutely love it, but can't see it mate

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Good player, but tiny and weak. Quite risky for a so called "marquee" signing. We would be better off with someone a little safer and more experienced.

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Is that a Brazilian or a brazilian?
StevieH

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09 Jul 2013 16:07:50
Everybody is so doom and gloom, about Liverpool, recently we have lost out on a big summer target, but most of us had not heard of him before we were linked with him. So this is not the end of the world.We then come on this website linking us with the most rediculous players. The fact is we don't have top 4 and we won't be able to attract the ronaldos of the world. You then come on this website and say we will sighn a pathetic player. THE fact is we are in panic mode iven though the transfer window only started 9 days a go. Brenden rodgers has already come out and said that we will sighn a attacking midfielder and a defender. So we can rule out not sighning anybody. we then assume he is going to sighn somebody bad for 5 million. The fact is we did put a 20 million bid for mkhitahn and we do have the money. So if you guys think we are going to sighn a terrible player then your wrong. If anyone knows who the right person to sighn is, it will be brenden rodgers. We have knowligible fans at the club, but I guarente rodgers knows more. Rodgers will know the right player to buy. You are forgetting it is his job on the line here. So hold faith and the manager will know the best thing

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I'm not doom and gloom. In fact I'm very positive about the coming season and the players we have signed. And the players we will hopefully sign.

MUSHROOM

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09 Jul 2013 16:06:01
Just been checking the Liverpool website, alonso was asked about a move to the premier league he replied 'no. No way, my future is at real madrid' so it seems he is not wanting to leave madrid hopefuly that puts an end to all the teams for next season having alonso in them, also eds I havnt seen a lot off aly cissokho is he an improvement to enrique? He is said to be happy to move to Liverpool but won't get ahead off himself until an approach is made and he's in Liverpool having his medical. Anyone else who knows off aly any help? Is he the left sided johnson? Good attacking poor defending?

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09 Jul 2013 15:45:04
Wouldn't it be great if we sold suarez to arsenal and then we take their champions league place next season.
We are due a bit of fortune and that would make my year.

MIKEY

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Ha ha I like your thinking.

MUSHROOM

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It would be the icing on the proverbial cake my friend

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But you won't get into the champions league because you're not good enough? Everton are better?

Bromley Gooner.

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Bromley Gooner are you asking or telling us?. I can't tell either way

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09 Jul 2013 15:31:09
Lots of talk on targets - but let me tell you - LFC are looking at value from existing players - Reina, Skrtel and Johnson are all on ~100k/week. LFC are looking to move Reina on as let's be realistic - was he worth the 100k a week last season? Same goes for Skrtel! Johnson was arguably worth it - but he is 28 now and his value will only decrease. Don't be suprised if these 3 leave (provided we get the right offers).

That is all

Paulo

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Can see all 3 gone by end of next summer but we won't shift them all on this summer.
Should get about £20m maximum in total from all 3 transfers to add to next years 'kitty'.
That's my guess.

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09 Jul 2013 15:30:58
Even if signing Cissohko is unlikely his comments are a joy to here.

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09 Jul 2013 15:25:23
Aguero linked with a move to real in several media reports. Seems more and more likely that Suarez is staying. Can't believe the amount of fans that have turned on Suarez even though he's said nothing bad about Liverpool

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It's more what he implied, if you don't see anything wrong with it then quit dreaming

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Have you not seen what he's said today on uragyan radio? he's a tosser pal I hope a bidding war unfolds and we get a decent crack for him me writing this is abit fickle as I've backed him a lot l8ly but I was wrong to do so! listen to the eds they know best.

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Yep, this sure makes it seem likely he'll stay-

Host: With all the clubs you have been linked to is it down to just one club?

Luis: No there are a few options and the club knows that. Are there any concrete options? No so far there hasn't been any. There are two or three clubs who I think are willing and the club knows that.

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09 Jul 2013 15:22:38
Reds in positve talks with Suarez agent " Liverpool Echo ", a few people may have to eat humble pie yet hey! First positive thing I've seen in a while.

Waro

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Liverpool do not want to keep Suarez and Suarez wants to leave. You are clutching at straws my friend.

Disney!

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Waro one of your posts got cut for your language used. Tut tut pal no need to lose your head.

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I really hate players agents, they are overpaid leeches in the modern game. Why can't Suarez simply pick up the phone and speak to the club?

MIKEY

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It's very difficult to pick up the phone and call the club if you're on the other line constantly talking to others.

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09 Jul 2013 15:21:30
". Some fans actually delude. If suarez is such a bad player why would arsene weneger, carlo anchelotti, or jose mourinho would be ready to stump 40 mill on him.
Is arsene wenger a 20 year experienced manager nutts to submitt a club record transfer of 30 mill on a player.
jeusus christ. I think rest all fans and all managers are fools execpt us who think he doesn't add anything to the team.

Neveda.
Yes he scored only one freekick in the EPL and he scored 3 apart from it against Udinese, and Zentith.
which midfielder apart from gerrard would take that?
Mate freekick is a skill, Its not tap ins.

Y does people are botherd, we get the money, let's Liverpool sell him to the highest bidder arsenal or chelsea. Everyone here thinks he will not be missed. nor he is irreplacble.
get the money and get our targets.

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09 Jul 2013 19:46:00
The mere fact that you had to add the word except to that sentence made your point invalid.
Also, Coutinho can take them and word is Luis Alberto is a dab hand from a range.

And let's not forget that rocket Agger has for a foot eh?

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09 Jul 2013 15:13:03
Why do people on here keep saying jorginho would be mkh alternative?

They play in different positions and are completly diff styles, jorginho plays more deep like an alonso

I expect jorginho is shelveys replacement, remember shelvs was playing as a deep creative midfielder for the reserves last season

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09 Jul 2013 15:05:05
Any Eds shed any light on a possible Downing transfer to West ham and anything on Benteke to Liverpool {Ed002's Note - Nope.}

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09 Jul 2013 12:32:07
Ed002, Would Luis Muriel be eligible for a work permit under special talent? What is the criteria for someone to be eligible for a UK
Work permit under the special taken. Dispensation?

Nevada {Ed002's Note - This has been done to death, but .... The situation with work permits is that a player will be granted one if (a) he has played 75% of games at full international level for two years for a country ranked reasonably high up by FIFA (top 75), or (b) if an exemption is applied for and granted under the "exceptional talent" provisions. For example, if a case is made to the authorities that a young South American is a demonstrable talent and clearly one for the future, it should be reasonably easy to have an exemption granted. If however, a pretty much run of the mill or average player was being bought and it was clear they are not appreciably better than those which could be found locally, or are being bought because they are cheap, then it will be much more difficult to obtain a work permit. The downside of the system in the UK is that the "bigger" English clubs can cherry pick the decent talent available and can obtain exemptions, and the rest of the players are assumed not to be talented enough for an exemption (as Chelsea or Manchester United etc. don't want them) and therefore obtaining the exemption is much tougher. Some players can obtain work permits through their parents or grand parents being English.}

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10 Jul 2013 09:28:00
Ed002, if we were to go for someone of the calibre of Muriel (and probable matching price tag), he would stand a pretty good chance of being deemed someone talented enough to fit the criteria of exceptional talent.

I remember a few years back the saga of getting one for Mark (speedy) Gonzalez, but, eventually we did, Muriel would surely have to be seen as (potentially at least) better than him.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Gonzalez but the rules are clear.}

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09 Jul 2013 15:25:05
All I hear regarding Suarez are Part exchange deals with Madrid etc and these are a few REALISTIC deals I could see us trying when the teams come calling.

From Madrid:
Morata - Lit up the u21s and would want way more 1st team action than possible at RM.
Modric - Was a great player for Spurs, so PL proven but didn't turn up for Madrid. May not be interested full time but potentially a loan deal?
Jese Rodriguez - Another young player like Morata who needs more action and would likely get it for us.
Coentrao - It is evident that Madrid want to sell him and would be a great player for LB or LW allowing Coutinho into the centre. Dunno if he would want to come.

Barcelona:
Sanchez - This guy was amazing for Udinese but really doesn't suite there slow tempo approach and didn't work; we had an interest but no idea his interest or Barces on Suarez.
Tello - Young and very raw, I don't rate him like some fans do but he is a talented player potentially. But people like Waro would hate him due to potential like Alberto etc
Adriano - Really like him as a full back, can play either side and really does excel when attacking.
Montoya - Seriously doubt Barcelona would want to sell as he played fantastic instead of the woeful Alves. Most ambitious player IMO

Bayern:
Gustavo - Top midfielder who is tall and strong, supremely talented defensively and add competition as well as strength to our squad.
Contento - This guy is a decent LB and if it weren't for Alabama he would be their first choice, would likely be interested in leaving for first team action as well.
Badstuber - He is an incredibly talented young centre back who due to Boateng and Dante has been exiled to the bench and could look to leave. Would be a ridiculously good signing IMO.

I wish Bayern had serious interest in Suarez as a deal of Gustavo and Badstuber and maybe 10-15m would be some of our greatest ever business. But alas it is never going to attack.

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Damn Alabama keeping Contento out of the team.I live in Atlanta and can help him get out of Alabama! Heard he was walking on as a kicker for the tide!

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Alabama?

LOL

The real AG

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Modric a great player for spurs? he's all flash and no bang.

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Good post mate, unlikely scenario's but I would say that the Bayern duo you pointed out would be welcome additions.

Kobi

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I’d take any you’ve listed, especially the young players. Although you’ve stated realistic, you also seem to say these won’t happen?
Wish they would, any of them.
Carlo

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09 Jul 2013 15:19:45
We are bargain bin buyers now, its why we didn't have a chance with HM, its even unclear if actually bid. Its the Arsenal model implemented Liverpool style, you all heard FSG praise their way of doing things, well we got it now and with little red cherrys on top.

Its all talk from here on in, all planning for the future, all guffaw about been competitive and getting Champions League. Meanwhile United, Chelsea and City remain out of sight.

From now on it will be the usual Arsenalesque rumours about the top signings been chased, let the fans become worked up and excited, allow the rumours to drag on and then when it comes to the crunch, its derisory bids or no bids at all, and in the end the player will go elsewhere. Then we will be fed the usual wasn't right for Liverpool or some excuse that will just leave us all frustrated. We will then sign a couple those cheapo players that nobody has really herd of before and a couple of those young kids with potential and will probably sell a star name or two to balance the books.

The knowledge that the club is not really developing will become ever more apparent over the next year or two, we will be just ticking over and in the same phase that we are in now, just like the gunners who do just enough to stay where they are, we will be staying where we are.

We will sell any player for profit when the opportunity arises, Suarez this summer, Coutihno in a year or two and replace them with players the club will hope to profit from 2 or 3 years down the line.

I'm already sick of been scammed by this carry on at our club, but I imagine it must be ten times worse for Arsenal fans where this charade has been going on for years now, but at least they get Champions League, we can't even manage that.

Jorge

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Jorge - you must be a hit at parties with your positive outlook - we lost out on mhkitaryan to Dortmund - recent Budesliga champs and Champs League finalists. Every club is a selling club. If we lose Suarefz it will be on our terms, it is not a great prospect as prolific goalscorers are not easy to come buy however if we have to replace Suarez I'm sure we will. 100% Red

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Why don't you buy the club then and save us from the yanks? Only you have the power.

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Enlightening. Not.

The real AG

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And the award for the little ray of sunshine post for the day goes to.
Not to mention misinformed and a little paranoid.
Cheer up, it's not a bad as you think it is.

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Jorge, there's a reason and major difference to why arsenal took that route, its called the EMIRATES STADIUM, what's Liverpools excuse?

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Jorge mate .

Are you serious do you know where we we were a few years ago?

Are you aware that we have pretty much spent top 4 money each year?

Does the idea of building success over time scare you?

Do you think that buying 1 or 2 top players will solve the problem or do we need to strengthen the whole squad?

Have you got 100 million in the bank?Because LFC do not and have to start being self sustainable.(FFP)

Do you want BR & the lads to succeed or do you want to be proved right?

Progress is slow, but it is progress . we are financially more stable than we have been for years, mainly down to owners who want to make money via a successful club . I know that there are players I would love to see at the club but we can't compete with the finances of many of the teams above us . so we will have to use what we have got and judging from the second half of last season we are not too far away.
If we play as well as we did 2nd half of last season and the lads give their all .I will be proud of my team, and we will upset some of the far wealthier clubs above us.

Keep the faith, we are Liverpool.

Kobi

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Well said jorge! could not agree more.
Mervue banjo man

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What would you suggest should of happened over the last 18 months-2 years Jorge? Who would you have put in as manager and which players would you have brought in?
Do tell.

dannyMAC

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We’re not bargin bin hunting. What we are doing is buying players with potential and that suite an ethic BR wants to install.
It is much more interesting buying a no name hidden gem for £7m and turning them into a £20m player (see Coutinho) then buying the finished article.
Who can guarantee Higuain at £25m will settle in England and the pace of EPL anymore than Aspas at £8m? If neither settle who has lost out more?
Rodgers is a top top manager and if allowed the time like SAF had at UTD he’ll turn us into a team that competes. I doubt this will happen next season, so I hope he is given then time.
The only problem is
a. The press. They hype. Fans are fickle, if we’re not in top 4 they’ll be calling for BR’s head.
b. Teams above are investing in finished article players for high fees. We need FFP to take effect under EPL, we’ll be the ones laughing if this happens and the stadium is improved.
c. Patience. I think we all see improvement in our play. We are shifting out players who are not good enough. I think next season we may finish lower but improve our play. Maybe not having European football will help and I’m wrong?
d. Too many changes at once. Going by the press we’re selling 15 and buying 15, that's another season of settling/transition. I doubt it will be the case.
Carlo

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Why do people like you always think that if a player is bought for under 20-30m we are bargain bin hunters?

Never read such drivel in my life, get it into your thick skull that we don't have the finances to compete atm. If every club was regulated we would be up theire competeing, but we don't have a rich Arab billionaire.

Every world class player starts out as potential, Coutinho was 8m so is he a bad buy?. Hyppia 2.6m was he an awful buy?

I do agree that Lpool could have been sold better when Moores sold, after DLC bid was rejected for those other 2 persons the owner the crown prince of Dubai decided to bid with his own cash and not as an arm of his investment company.

Whatever went on he got so frustrated at Parry that he pulled out. He then offered the 2 persons 500m to sell when the end was nearing and the greedy *******s rejected it.

If he bought us he would make Psg, City, Chelsea and the Russian mob clubs all look like paupers.

But that never happened and now we can only do what the club can afford or would you rather we nearly go bust again.

One final thing i'm not the owners biggest fans but they are swallowing the just over 1m a month losses at the club and have been for quite a while. Do you know how easy it would be for them to sell a couple of players to plug that leak, but they haven't so as a supposed Lpool fan take a long hard look at yourself.

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What a pile of rubbish you have just spouted Jorge.

MUSHROOM

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So, what is it that you want? Do you want us to spend and go bust? Look at the income generated from a home game and compare it to arsenal, man united and others. FSG are doing it right. Let's walk before we run and if you don't like it, support someone else, simple.
Robbie

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09 Jul 2013 17:20:56
I'm not in favour of accepting a bid below our valuation for Suarez (ie. Arsenal's £30m), but at the same time, are we meant to keep him here unhappy?

Most of the players we'll be selling by choice this summer will be at a loss. Profit-making my eye.

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Something Red, I'm pretty sure we made a profit on Shelvey and Spearing. We will receive approx £3m from the Ince deal and almost double our money on Suarez. Not bad profit making on players in my eyes mate.
Agreed we lost out on Carroll before you say it.

MUSHROOM

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Jorge either knows what he is talking about or he hasn't got notion. According to his prediction we will be at the same phase in 2 years time, so we will see then if your are wise man or just another frustrated fan.

Cas

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Most so called reds on here should go & live in north korea because if u don't fully support yhe greatleader fsg br, u have to follow another team what gives u the right what makes u more of a red than anybody else, I think we will not challenge gor top 4 with these signings also if ls goes we need to spend every penny on players that's my opioin I don't think fsg will get us where all reds want to be they don't have the cash that's not having a go at them its fact I thank them for getting rid of h&g but we are standing still we are losing a fortune with no new ground, or no sign of the plans for rebuilt anfield

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09 Jul 2013 15:19:33
Take care Red men! We have no real idea what has gone on at the club between Suarez's agent and IA + BR. The press are only speculating and know that Liverpool fans will avidly read anything about our club. They also need to sh*t stir to ensure reaction and emails/forum feeds. They will not get this if they give bland 'we don't know what has gone on' comments. Other fans would love to have Suarez in their team (baggage and all). Arsenal have already admitted as much.
I would forgive him all the troubles he has created to see him back in a red shirt (even that awful 3rd kit) fighting for a Liverpool win and a place in Europe once again. He is a class apart from most players in the EPL and is a winner.
So stop fuelling the press and let LFC deal with this in private to the benefit of LFC.
Keep the faith!
Scousehouse

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Please remember that we played better and had the results to match WITHOUT Suarez in the team.

MUSHROOM

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09 Jul 2013 15:17:35
Suarez has spoken on radio in Uruguay again, he has said he is flattered that Arsenal and Chelsea are interested in him.

He also said that Brendan Rodgers knows what Suarez wants and that he is scheduled t be in Australia with LFC on 21st of July but that could all change with one phone call.

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Suarez wants cl football, well maybe he would've had it if he didn't get himself banned for a quarter of the last 2 seasons, get rid, good player but brought the club down once to often.

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Suarez wants Champions League with as much money as possible. Brendan Rodgers wants what's best for the club and the team.
Suarez will leave, but only in the best interests of the club.

MUSHROOM

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So he has said he is flattered what every player says when linked to big clubs.

The rest he said nearly 3 weeks ago, funny how he answered a journalist that playing for Lpool was an honour, YNWA gives him goosepimples and how his little girl sings it with him never gets mentioned isn't it, always the negative aspects. And most of you are completing the Luis Suares destruction for the media.

I hear fans on here crying disloyalty. All you lot have heard is from the media and have no idea what's going on. Where is your loyalty for a Lpool player who needs it right now.

When did Lpool fans become like this, no matter what we always stuck by our own and if they left we moved on. Now its all hatred, bile and burning shirts, Shankly, Paisley, Fagin, Moore, Saunders, Robinson and many others would be ashamed of all this bs.

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09 Jul 2013 15:03:40
Hi ed's, hope your all enjoying the sunshine!

Just an observation. I often wonder what a great site like this would have been like 10 years ago before the "championship manager" generation!

Don't get me wrong, I know some people on here have genuine information and there are also some people on here with a truly unbelievable knowledge of world football, but I can't help thinking that a fair percentage of the names mentioned on here come due to them being "good on FIFA" rather than people actually knowing much about them?!

I mean I think of myself as a big footy fan but if I'm honest I hadn't heard of Mkhitaryan or Papadopolus amongst others until 2 months ago! Nor did I know much about Aspas or Alberto (other than seeing them play the odd game on sky on a Sunday night!).

Just find it interesting!

Keep up the good work guys and keep patient! Haha

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I have to admit I am guilty of that, I have never seen Papadopolus and only have knowledge of him from fifa (he is very good), Mkhitaryan on the other hand isn't even on fifa to judge

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09 Jul 2013 14:40:17
eds surely all this talk of 50 million for suarez is just fantasy.suarez is no different than any other player he is worth what a buyer is willing to pay.at the moment there does not appear anybody willing to offer anywere near that.Its quite obvious he does not want to play for Liverpool, why not accept the arsenal offer its genuine.

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Simple, it's supply and demand. The supply of Suarez for sale is dependent on demand, as measured by a buying club offering the value we assign, at least 40 mill. Why would we sell an asset with 3 years left on his contract for less than the value we put on him?

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At no point has Suarez come out and said he does not want to play for Liverpool! 99% of players, including Barcelona, when asked to if they would like to play for Real Madrid would say yes!.

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No the pluer is worth what the selling club value him at and arsenal bid is simply not good enough

If i'm selling a car I sell it at a price i'm happy with not the price the buyer wants to pay and so if the offer isn't good enough then they're walking home

Ya dig?

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Arsenal fan pleading for a lifeline to a derisory decade?

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09 Jul 2013 15:38:48
Well the club rejecting the bid proves it's not fantasy. The Only fantasy and I have said it all along is anyone expecting Suarez to be sold for peanuts. Liverpool has paid over £ 26 million for him so the club would be nuts to accept 30 million!

Malak

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Am I reading your post correctly Redgie,?Barcelona players would want to play for Real Madrid? I don't think so, why would they want to take a step backwards?

MUSHROOM

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09 Jul 2013 14:36:03
Ive made up a song about suarez to the tune of snow patrols just says yes here goes
I want to go now, I want to go
Please just let me leave now or I just won't show
I want real now its time to go
Just say yes this is not a trick of the mind only love & I ache & I no u ache too for the taste & touch of some warm skin and that I treat u right
I want to go now
I want to go
Just say yes I've had enough of the british press
All the trick & the lies that they wrote
Means I've have to go
I no u love me & I love you too
Just say yes cause I want real & I no they want me too
This is not a trick of the mind only love
I want to go now
Please let me go
Just let me go

Kt

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Hey guys hope u like please give some feedback lol

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Kt what a really crap song. Have you spent all day working on that? Really. and by the way at no point has Suarez come out and said he does not want to play for Liverpool!

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Im in my fifties, the song means absolutely nothing to me because I haven't got a clue who snow patrol are!

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Am I on the fame academy website?

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Get a life mate.

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Kt and McCartney come to mind.MATTYLFC

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09 Jul 2013 14:33:53
Players come and go. no point wasting mental energy on who might or might not come in.


LFC will be around long after the employees ie the players up sticks and leave.

If a player does not want to come to us or wants to leave - then good riddance and goodbye.


No player is bigger than the club.

Most of the players who kiss the badge, say how much the love the club and soak up the adulation of the Kop are only out for their own interests.

Do you think they're bothered about the fans or indeed the club? Of course they're not!

I have more respect for the owners than the players. Albeit they're investors they have put money into the club, players, staff etc.

Whilst I think they should rethink their strategy on buying younger players, I'm sure they want the best for the club - even if it's to sell it for a higher value.

Most house owners will decorate the house before selling it for a profit. the analogy is similar - -FSG should stop dithering and assist the manager in acquiring the Players BR needs in at least pushing for trophies and the top 4 even if its just to increase our valuation.


They do need to buy quality, not squad depth players.

We have a proud history, past glories and a worldwide fanbase.

Yes I criticise the players and the management for their lack of skill, effort and ability . But do we want to be another Leeds?

Why do so many people here just accept our mediocrity?

As it stands we are slipping further away and it needs to be addressed fast. We were so close to winning it in 08/09 but the players didn't have the winning mentality to do it. Now a few years later we are slipping fast away for the other top teams.

Will it be 30 years until we win the League again . 1989-90 until .? 2020? You Happy with that everyone?

2020 our next league title - another 6 to 7 years of transition and building . it's unbelievable that so many of you are content to wait and say we are doing ok!

The reason is because many of you have accepted the spin, accepted the 'transition' mantra, accepted mediocrity, lost the winning

'If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing' Maybe check who said that fellas!

Would RAFA or KK accepted spin and nonsense - NO - and looked what happened to them!

M

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They tried to spend big mate and like you say look what happened to them . Why can't people see that you don't have to be the most expensive player to be the best . I don't accept mediocrity I want us challenging for everything but I know it will take time . YNWA
Jamesy

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Another clueless and delusional rambling. You are getting good at this M.

The real AG

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M, would really like to know how you would go about it given our current financial state, and how you would make LFC viable financially going forward. Interesting, your comparison with Leeds, why did they end up in division 1? By overspending, still narrowly missing out on CL, and being unable to pay off their debts which ended up crippling them, just because you invest money does not guarantee success and the rewards that follow. We were very nearly entering the same scenario a couple of seasons back, but thanks mainly to FSG, we are becoming a viable business again, cutting down on outgoings and maximising (thanks largely to the worldwide fan base we have) our income. We had a fairly aging squad when FSG took over, we now have a deeper, promising, younger squad that we can add quality to over the next few years. I obviously want it to be sooner than 6-7 years before we have another title shot, but I am prepared to be patient and would rather wait that long than gamble, and end up battling it out in the Championship or lower for the next 10 years.

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It's simple now, read the first 3 lines and you can already tell who it is. Anything ever positive in your world, M?

Anonymous woolback

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If we spend like you want us to M then we would be another Leeds, Portsmouth etc etc. The idea is to spend money you have, not money you don't.
I really hate to use them as an example but Scumchester Urinal brought in the likes of Giggs, Scholes, Beckam etc through their youth system and they turned out OK. They also bought young players who weren't expensive, Ronaldo being the biggest, and then sold him for a profit.
Get out of the past, we were the best, it's going to take a lot of hard work for us to be there again.
Also some players are bothered about the club and the fans, Steve Gerrard and Jamie Carragher to name but 2.
Does W stand for Wally? I could put worse (another W) but I don't want to be censored.

MUSHROOM

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09 Jul 2013 14:28:29
Valencia left-back Aly Cissokho was linked with a move to Liverpool over the weekend, and the Frenchman has commented on reports. He is quoted by tv:"I will not believe that I am going anywhere until I am in Liverpool and having a medical."Liverpool is such a great club, so to be linked with them is fantastic. But there is nothing concrete from anyone at the moment."If there is an opportunity to join such a club, I will take it. Valencia are a great club, in a great city, but Liverpool are a legendary club."

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09 Jul 2013 14:24:25
I love Suarez reckon he is brilliant. But it's just embarrising now, Hopefully get 45million + offer for him that we can accept and combined with original budget and further sales we can rebuild our team. Another Striker, Winger, DM, CB and back up LB. Coutinho can play CAM better than most anyway.

Bristol Red

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It's only embarrassing, because the media are making it embarrassing!

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09 Jul 2013 14:07:20
Hi eds, any chance of griezmann? I like the sound of him, sturridge and Coutinho up top. I also think he is quite realistic {Ed052's Note - no - we have no interest - at the minute}

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09 Jul 2013 14:05:22
Hey eds,
with the recent failure to sign mkhitaryan, were do you think that leaves us in terms of other players? Do you think we'll set ourself another big player to sign or just move on to the other targeted players eg centre backs, left backs? Now that Dortmund have mkhitaryan, will that have an effect on the eriksen situation, as surely Dortmund won't go for both, or is it just a case of us always being interested in him, but he's just not interested in us? And were does that leave us in terms of benteke or luis Muriel, as they are both affordable now {Ed052's Note - I've answered this so many times}

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09 Jul 2013 13:53:48
Liverpool football club. I am so proud to be a Liverpool supporter. I have a lot to thank LFC for, some amazing cup finals, dramatic derby's and mind blowin european nights. Being in the KOP and being around the best fans in the world.fantastic. Hearing you'll never walk alone.still inspiring everytime. And as a fan I will often see the good in sometimes controversial things, sugar coat them because I support the team and players ie: The cream suits, the John Barnes rapping, God doing a line after a goal, Mcateers head and shoulders ad, some terrible away kits (that I bought) and numerous others. Which leads me to Luis Suarez. What a player. Had the priveledge to see him play at anfield a lot last year, one of the best players I have ever seen or probably wil ever see. The man is a genius. On the pitch. Which is why when he had the Evera incident, I backed him: "must be a lie by Evera, no proof, must be a language barrier". I reeled them out to rival supporters. Then the diving malarky. "he doesn't dive, Bale and Young dive more than him". I reeled them lines out aswell. till he admitted that he does dive. the dive infront of Moyes made me cheer as it was a moment that I will never forget, very funny and even Moyes laughed. I thought maybe he had put his demons to bed. But then came the bite, the second of his career. I wondered what I could say to defend that, he wasnt being pulled back, abused verbally or recieving any other harsh treament. He turned around and tried biting a player. For no apparent reason. And so he goes away with his national team and starts flirting with Madrid, but he does cite that the british media is the reason and he wants out of england. He loves Liverpool but needs to leave for the sake of his family. Ok fair play if that is the real reason can't argue, Barca or Real Madrid could turn anyones head I suppose. But now, all the CL rubbish is being spouted as the reason he wants away from LFC. I can accept Torres being straight and saying it, I can accept John Barnes rapping and I can accept the bloody cream suits. but for Liverpool Football Club to be treated like this by a player who behaves like he does, unacceptable. Sell this player to who ever comes in with the most money, who ever. let's get this headache off our books and away from our team. let's use the money to bring in players who want to wear the shirt. let's support our team, the loyal players and the manager and owners who have had to deal with Suarez antics. let's be Liverpool fans not Suarez fan boys, let's support the 11 players who walk out on the pitch and give their all for us. Go get CL football Luis, hope you find a nice club with deep pockets. And in a couple of season, Liverpool may meet you in the CL and I hope we smash the team your with. Owen left, I was shocked, then we won the CL and Owen was shocked. Sweeter than sweet. So Liverpool football Club I trust to do what's best for the team and the club as a whole. We may lose a superstar on the pitch but a heap of trouble aswell. i'm going to listen to John Barnes spitting rhymes now, rather that than people try and defend what Suarez is doing.

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Great post pal. I for one never get wrapped up in all this paper talk until everything is signed and sealed.

If Suarez stays then great. If he goes then yeah we'll move on. Always have and always will in these situations. At the end of a storm there's a golden sky.

If he does leave and contradicts all his reasoning then let's not make him welcome when he returns. Simple.

Just of to dig out my Anfield Rap single.

Alfie

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Haha really good post mate! Funny but true! The cream suits and Barnesy rap! Footballs golden days! Wish they were still here. Great post mate

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I think you've just summed up how most of the fans feel mate. That bite said it all. Can't deny the talent but the attitude is dire.

- Don't forget that Ian Rush milk ad from the 80's. "If you don't drink your milk, you'll only be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley. "
lovin' it!

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09 Jul 2013 13:52:45
I personally think if Suarez goes to Chelsea he will be the most hated footballer on the planet. I mean he is already hated by most fans on the planet, but lying to the Liverpool Football Club and the fans is just unforgivable. Yes he is one of the best players in the world and for now he's a Red but if it's true about him lying about the whole "English media" thing just to push through a move AND will actually move to Chelsea, then I'm afraid Mr.Suarez you have not only tarnished your reputation even further, but you have disrespected our beloved club. If he goes to Real Madrid or another team outside England, then I will wish him good luck and thanks for the memories, but if he goes to another English club after saying he doesn't want out of Liverpool but he wants out of England altogether, then I'm afraid he doesn't deserve that.

I may get abuse for this post but going to a rival club and lying to us three times (first about being happy at Liverpool, secondly about using to media as an excuse for leaving and thirdly about only wanting to play for a club outside England), then why should he deserve our backing in the future?

Again I'm not sure if these rumours about him considering Chelsea are true, but if they are, I've lost a huge amount of respect for him. Cheers.
ROI.

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I think we all feel the samE

Yvonne

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09 Jul 2013 15:11:08
Probably Yes, but for a maximum of 5 years. Then people will forget, Untill then he would probably have 2-3 EPL medals in his belt and a CL trophy with Jose. and we would still be rebuilding for Top4.

This is the exact thing ahppened when torres left 3 years back. we haven't moved an inch from there.

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09 Jul 2013 14:56:23
I agree with you 100%
Although Suarez is probably the most hated footballer in the world. Not by us but everybody else.

Malak

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I couldn't have said it any better mate well done

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09 Jul 2013 13:46:03
Tom and Paul Ince are in Cardiff today.

Pretty much looking done. I'm pretty happy with that tbh. Think maybe we could get better at the figure's being banded about for him.

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09 Jul 2013 13:40:46
Can't believe what I've just read a little way down the page, Sturridge is a better team player than Suarez, that is a truly staggering comment, Sturridge has many good points but one of his major negatives is his reluctance close down defenders at the top end off the pitch or play a team mate in in a better position than himself, he sees glory for himself as soon as he's near goal, which most strikers do but he will shoot from impossible angles when a reverse pass or a square ball is the better option.

These views are levelled at Suarez and that's fair enough, but he runs his bo**cks off for the team, closing down and harassing defenders, and he's 20 times the player Sturridge is or ever likely to be, criticise Suarez for all these things if you want but don't use Sturridge in your argument because that is just plain stupid.

Waro {Ed052's Note - Suarez doesn't actually track very well. He may run around, but he fouls people most of the time. And Sturridge does enough for me. One moment sticks in my head, (Arsenal, or some equally pacey team) hit us on the break, and DS tracked back, and sheparded the guy breaking into the corner, and got the goal kick. That's his commitment}

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No the most staggering comment is that Suarez is 20 times the player Sturbridge is!

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Suarez does do the odd bit of defending to be fair. He likes to stamp on other player's ankles to take them out of the game. Mirallas a prime example. Mirallas was destroying Liverpool out on the left until Suarez stamped on his ankle to take him out of the game. This happened a few times last season and he got away with it every time.

Disney!

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It was against arsenal ed, it was oxlade chamberlain he tracked back with {Ed008's Note -

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Yeah sidney just like roy keane broke peoples legs and bullied referees and got away with it! Your quite the hypocrite aren't you pal?

Ian the red

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Haha Disney lad.
What, a foul in a Mersey derby?
How very dare he!
That's a rubbish post Disney. Not even 1 out of 10. Poor for you mate.
The Juicer

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What about against Utd. Sturridge tracked welbeack from within there half to stop him scoring :)

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Edo52 are u drunk or had a bang on the head ls is the best forward we have had since the king, he creates & score goals in a average team to have a go at his workrate is a joke he works hard running the channels & closing down the back 4, idont care if he didn't move he is top class with the ball rather have ls than headless chicken borini we all don't like him wanting to leave but u can't say the lad is not worldclass also sturridge should not be mentioned in the same breath as ls if he goes we need a top replacment not hope that ds can fill the gap or the unknowen spanish forward {Ed052's Note - Unknown forward to you, but his national manager - of the best team in the world - knows plenty about him}

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09 Jul 2013 15:12:19
I seriously don't know what happened to our Beloved ED052. {Ed052's Note - What do you mean? Perhaps I have over exaggerated in my anger at LS, but he isn't irreplaceable. And he also isn't as good as we get sucked in to believe. We'll be fine without him}

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09 Jul 2013 13:37:15
Hi Eds, great job so far during the window. Thanks for your work.

With Man City having interest in Isco does that mean that they may not go in for Negredo? If so.will he be of interest to us due to MH falling through?

Cheers. {Ed052's Note - Isco signed for RM about a week ago my friend. And City do have interest in Negredo. We don't and really shouldn't - he's a poor player}

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09 Jul 2013 13:35:24
Alright Eds! I know you don't like words like 'possible' and 'likely' but if Luis Suarez leaves Liverpool (the sooner the situation is sorted the better) do you think that Jackson Martinez of Porto is a realistic replacement or more to the point whether you are aware of any interest? I remember reading about some 'interest' a few seasons back when he was still at Chiapas but nothing lately! Thanks for the hard work. {Ed052's Note - No he isn't realistic at all. Sorry bud}

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09 Jul 2013 13:27:52
My prediction is we would do well next season but achieve the following and fall just short of the top 4.

From the top 5 teams at home: 2 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss
From the top 5 away: 1 win, 2 draws, 2 losses
total: 13 points minimum

EFC: 1win 1draw

Remaining 13 teams at home: 9 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss
Remaining 13 teams away: 7 wins, 3 draws, 3 losses
Total: 54 points

20 wins 11 draws 7 losses - Grand total: 71 pts.

We need a squad that can deliver 75 points for Champions League football next season. If we don't succeed we will probably have another Manager, more transition, more players rejecting us, more falling behind.

Surely this season is probably the best for a long time to have a go and buy a couple marquee quality proven players to improve our chances instead of a handful of development type players that are generally inconsistent.

I would also tell Suarez to stay until the Jan window when he can go to a CL club that is through to the last 16 as he will not be cup tied. Meanwhile, scoring freely to putting us in the top 4 plus you get inflated prices in Jan.

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09 Jul 2013 13:13:13
Ed002 was right all along about Suarez - what a vile person he is. I felt some sympathy for him when he made those comments on how the British media has hassled him but this guy did'nt half bring it on himself.
Then to go around courting yourself to other English clubs says all we need to know about the man.
Get a good fee and ship him out asap!

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09 Jul 2013 13:12:33
Its really funny all this talk of Suarez Surely would not go to Chelsea or Man city as he was clear he can't stand the media here.!?

Come on guys who are you kidding. lol
Maybe he doesn't like the climate or lack of sandy beaches maybe but why oh why would you believe a word he said in terms of wanting out of LFC.

He just wants out and will say anything he can to avoid being hated by our fans. He has showed the club no respect for the support they have given him.

I am not doubting his skill or what a great year he had for us and what he did for the club. he does play his heart out. BUT, and its a big BUT.

The guy is a jerk who is being treated as a king but he is just a great footballer. He is not a great character and certainly I doubt he is honest. Football is often about large sums of money and fame and for that I am sure he is heavily linked and I can't blame him for that but PLEASE stop believing his crap about reasons for wanting to leave. HE WOULD go to chelsea in a flash if Real or Barce etc don't show interest

GARETH

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09 Jul 2013 13:05:47
Ed aly sissoko, do you think he is a player that we may pursure? As.im not sure another LB is nessesary {Ed052's Note - No, I doubt it}

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09 Jul 2013 13:03:40
Compeltely agree with Ed052. These are just example stats but here goes:

A) You have a striker in your team with approximately an average 12% conversion rate, that fluctuates between 0-50%. He is very talented individually and all the play goes through him. In around 200 shots he gets you 25 goals. However the other forwards see less of the ball, and get less chances themselves due to chances constantly going begging, and attacks breaking down (due to greed of said individual). He scores 25-30 goals in 38 games. The entire team is built around him. However he misses a 5th of the season knocking this tally down by 5 goals. With him in the side, he will score 25 goals a season, but the other 3 first choice players in attack (Right wing, left wing and second striker/attacking mid) only get about 5 each. This gives you a total of about 40 goals. You must then rely on the rest to come from squad players, or other positions. We create 20 shots in a good game, but half fall to the man with the 12% conversion rate, and we see 20 shots reduced to 2-3 goals, rather than 4-5. Some games this 'star' will hit a 50% conversion rate and score a hattrick. Other games he will fluff 6-7 chances and have 0%. It all evens out to give him a below average conversion rate overall. However due to the team being designed around him, and to fit his strengths, when he is on a bad day or banned, we either scrape a draw, or lose. But all everyone remembers is the week before when he actually turned up, and his audacity paid off, making him appear world class. However to be regarded as world class, one must be consistent.

B) This player is repalced with a less flamboyant, but more effective striker with a better conversion rate at about 20% average, and much better team play. He brings others into the game, but only scores 20 himself. The other 3 attackers all score around 10 each though giving us roughly 50 goals across a season + squad players and other positions contributing. This is a 10 goals improvement over the other combination which could turn say 10 draws into wins, adding up to 20 points to the tally. This could be the difference between mid table, and champions league football. In games where you create 20 chances you start to see 4, 5 or even 6 nil wins, and less 0-0 draws occur. However their are less spectacular goals, as they have been replaced by well worked tap ins and simple finishes. Aka effective football.

I'm sorry for the patronising, and rather creative examples. But that is how it works. Suarez would have outscored Van Persie last season. They are both 25-30 goal strikers. However Van persie will do it 50-75 less shots, and link others into the game, so you see a spread of goals (Van Persie 25, Hernanadez ~10 Rooney ~15 etc). United have no players in their team who can pull off the spectacular except arguably Rooney once on a blue moon (no pun intended) but they play effective football, and score the simple goals. This wins they the title. Ronaldo, Messi, Van Persie etc are top forwards becasue they not only score, but they assist too, and take their chances better. Below that you have the likes of Falcao, Ibrahimovic etc who convert well but don't link up. then below that you have the likes of Suarez and Tevez (although much older so worth less) who are greedy and have poor conversion but cover that up with their goal tallys (that flatter their true ability, due to their hatred of passing to others). Suarez is not even in the world class bracket as a forward. When he plays behind the forward in a wider role, then he can work his magic without it having too much of a costly effect, but he will always have that greedy and wasteful streak.

So its up to you guys. option A or B? CL or no CL? we will genuinely be stronger without Suarez. He is a luxury player who simply appeases the fans with the occasional screamer. In games that don't go his way he is a liabilty, giving away dangerous set pieces and picking up cautions or major bans (racism, middle finger, biting etc). I genuinely don't care if he goes to Arsenal or Chelsea, because he will make them weaker. He'll score a lot so it looks like its not his fault to the vegetables, but to people who actually understand and play/have played football, we will see why all of a sudden Mata, Hazard and Oscar are only scoring 5 goals a season. If we can mug them for £60m, go for it. Suarez in todays market would be 'worth' £40m easily, as he is a fan favourite (only of the team he plays for), who sells shirts. I'd sell for that to any team in the world. If he was then replaced by say Eriksen, Honda, or Dzduszak who would each add 10 gaols and assits a season, I'd be chuffed to bits. I say those three, as I would like someone who could repalce Suarez free kicks, as that is the one thing I could see us missing.

To summarise this beast of a post, in a fairly similar end ponit to yesterdays post, Suarez is not really that great, and would have to adapt his game to be worth keeping. I say sell and create a front line of say Sturridge, Coutinho, Eriksen(etc), and Aspas. There is easily 50-60 goals a year there. Suarez takes more away fro the team than he gives back, but he does it with so much passion and flair, it blinds the fans and papers over the cracks. 23 goals in 187 shots last year in the league. that's about 1 goal every 9 shots to put that into perspective. Not good enough, and certainly not world class. He will only be good playing alongside a bigger fish (Ronaldo, Falcao etc). That way, people aren't drawn into playing everything through him.

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Great post.

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Yes, but don't forget about off the ball, Suarez up front occupies a defender or 2 and thus making space for the others to run into . we are much stronger with Suarez (or similar player) in the side.
If he is not so great why are we asking for 40+ m for him.

Roy

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I find all these attempts to make Luis look like a greedy ******* who is holding the Lpool team back extremely childish and pathetic.

Lpool fans really need to get a grip, how easily you turn on your own. All this bs about missed chance stats also don't mention that most of them he created from nothing.

The other strikers are suffering?. lol utter bs as Sturridge aside the likes of Borini couldn't hit a barn door and all the excuses of he hasn't had a run through injury do not wash, he will never be a prolific goalscorer.

Also and finally your V.Persie quote is just plain ridiculous. Luis outscored him despite VP playing in a much better side with everything set to play through him. Luis may have missed chances but most he created from nothing that's how special he is. Most of you are just indignant because he wants to leave.

Where was all this outrage when we signed him knowing of his temperament?. Hypocrites the lot of you. {Ed052's Note - Says the United fan who turns on Rooney every time he hands in a transfer request ;)}

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Adam
Excellent post mate, and I like that argument.
For me, though, it has one major flaw.
For all but 4 x months of Suarez' Liverpool career he has had virtually zip support.
In Kenny's time, Downing and Carroll were very poor. The midfield was so slow, watching the tide coming in was quicker.
Up to and past Xmas, there was no other striker at all.

So the essential point I'm making is that Suarez has HAD to create most of the chances himself.
And he has worked his socks off to do that. He's taken a lot of hammer, never been injured, and played week in week out without a break.

It was only since Coutinho & Sturridge came in that your argument is stands up. And even then some of our best football - aways at City and Arsenal - he was in the side. Don't quote the last 4 x games, because they are too far out of context.

What say you mate?

The Juicer

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09 Jul 2013 13:42:04
YNWA adam.

If one suerly wanna crticize or find faults, we could have many. suarez is mere an example. Infact we could find some in Messi. very poor with argentina. blah blah.
The point is. we are in a very critical condition as a club, we need CL next season, we don't have enough cash to splash, the only player who culd get us some much needed money is suarez.
say you get 40-50 mill. But how many class players if you think we need some one better than saurez would come to us at this moment?
Higuain?, Benzema? Mata, carzola,
Most of the above players (Prooven) are playing with clubs which are in CL or fighting for title.
or else we should take another gamble like countinho.
But that's never guaranteed.

I agree that saurez conversion ratio is poor, his shots on goals are poor, His attitude sucks. But this lad can create something from absolute nothing. his dedication on pitch is matched by none, gives 110% everytime on the pitch and is completly a team player.

As a striker you are supposed to score, not to create assist, If he is scoring 30+ goals, which is what actually he is supposed to do, not be unselfish and create 25+ chances to others and score 30+ goals.
I don't think Messi has a great assist ratio compared to his goalscoring.

ED052 is pretty much rash on suarez. Suarez won't improve our team and he believes toure would improve our team

Lets be honest, If we would have never bought toure, he would have been in garbage. {Ed052's Note - I've never said Suarez won't improve our team, just that he hasn't made the impact some people think. In our system, you have to pass, move, pass, move etc. He doesn't, he dribbles, misses, dribbles misses X10, dribbles, goal. And I don't know what your on about RE Toure}

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I agree with most of what you said there Adam. Although your stats were slightly wrong, but that doesn't matter much as the crux of your argument is sound.

I don't personally think we will miss his free kicks all that much since he only scored one Prem free kick last year. Most of our midfield players would probably equal that.

Nevada

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Brilliant post that mate. Thanks for putting in the effort.
I have to agree with almost everything you say there, I would say he is world class though. But world class players don't always improve the team like you say. I also believe we will be better without him as long as the money is spent wisely. I would sell him abroad though, I don't want us to lose an important game to one of his free
kicks.

MIKEY

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Anyone remembers how Gerrard scored a hattrick on his B-day? (2 or 3 years ago).
I think it was Luis who gave him 2 perfect passes.

There is also another thing with passes. Actually there were not so few good passes by Luis. The problem is, others failed to convert them to goals.

And the statistics say 30 goals and 11 assists last season (including Europe). This does not mean greedy forward at all.

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Ibra had like 15-20 assists so hardly just a goal scorer but that aside I would agree.

We were 7th when Suarez was bought and 7th if he leaves now. Barely an improvement.

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A good read Adam. I remember Ed001 sating in Suarez's first season, that when we play with him, everything HAS to go through him and that in effect reduces the involvement and effect of others in the team.

The real AG

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Yet another 'cherry picked' set of stats to try to justify an arguement.

There are too many variables to pitch one against the other so simplistically, but seeing as you have how about this one. The team you're comparing to had the same number of points advanatage over us as we had goal difference (+28).

So my point is that there are far more influences than Suarez's conversion rate and pass completion. Your comments just sound bitter to justify the fact he will probably leave. Personally I don't care either way now what he does. I care about the team.

Maybe if you expand your statistical analysis ( if that's your bag) you'll find the real reasons why we're so far behind. at the moment we're just not good enough!

Suarez there or not I don't think will have that much influence on the situation, but what BR does elswhere will.

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09 Jul 2013 12:49:55
I have to disagree with you Ed0052, I personally think we should get in all the players required before selling Suarez. and keep beating the Suarez not for sale drum until the last minute. If we sell Suarez before we have our Summer targets then other clubs will surely inflate prices to us? So sell him at the end of the window. I don't really care where he goes like you, just as long as he goes. P.S a broken leg on his debut appearance would cheer me right up!

Tomsy {Ed052's Note - I don't disagree with the idea of getting the players in ASAP. In fact that's what I would advocate. But after that, theres no point dragging the situation out longer than it needs to be}

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I think clubs will generally take the mickey a bit with us knowing full well Suarez is going and we will have a big fat transfer fee coming in. I don't think it matters that much if we buy players before or after the sale of Suarez. Unless of course we sell Suarez on the last day and are still trying to get a replacement in. But I imagine lessons have been learned at the club.

MIKEY

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Selling suarez now or at the end of the transfer windows will affect the quality of the players the manager goes after, having an extra 40 to 50 mill does make a lot of difference, if suarez is going to be sold BR would prefer to have the money now to have plenty time to sort something out, LFC under no pressure to sell suarez so they will want big money for him, I think he might stay after all.

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09 Jul 2013 12:49:48
With Brandon praising his two new signings and what they can do, I am pretty sure there is not going to be any big attacking signings this window unless we sell Suarez. Funny how he praise his two "small signings" just at the same time as we missed out on Mikey, and probably with a few millions punds. I personally then question the decision to buy Luis Alberto.

However with Aspas and if we keep Suarez, and if Sturridge and Countinho keeps on playing like they did at the end of last of season we will score enough goals to end up in top 4. To many ifs for my liking, but maybe its time for everything to just magically work out for the first time in many years, If we sell Suarez I can not see any way for us to buy a player of same calibre, and what then.

--- Mr. sadface

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09 Jul 2013 12:49:03
Suarez wants to play in the CL. His preferred choice is Spain, but (Barca have other priorities) and Real are still chewing on it. All references to Suarez in the Spanish papers are that he is a top player and that Real will need to pay Euro50-60m. With Real not yet making a move his agent according to the Eds has been sounding out the options in the premier league. If true and why would the Eds lie, this is the straw that breaks the camel's back as far as I am concerned. Having met Chelsea and Arsenal reps no doubt his agent will also meet Man City reps. I really hope that when he goes its abroad as unlike Torres he is still not yet at his peak and it would be horrible to see him in the premiership playing for another club. At the root of this problem is that without CL football we will continue to find it difficult to hang on to top foreign talent. This will repeat itself until and unless we are able to play in the CL. When Torres went we pissed down the drain the £50m.
It is essential that this time round the money is reinvested wisely so as to make the first team stronger for a genuine CL push. This may seem difficult to comprehend when we are talking about losing Suarez, but the team played very well without him last season, good signings have been made this summer and 2-3 very good signings using the Suarez fee would I believe compensate for his loss. Selling Suarez gives BR an opportunity to buy a very good striker (or top prospect striker) and reinvest the remainder of the transfer fee by upgrading a couple of the existing squad members. By way of example, we could sell Skirtel for arroun£9-10m and sign Papa for £18m, Sell Downing for £8m and sign a better winger for £15-20m and still have the best part of £25m available for a replacement striker. Whilst any transfer has its risks, I am confident that with the scouting team in place we are beginning to box clever in the transfer market. If BR and his team reinve
st the Suarez fee wisely, it really could be a step forward. (Credit also to Ed002 who was saying well before Suarez's summer interviews that he was very likely to move on). Reality Red

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09 Jul 2013 14:09:40
Top Post. People are moan and slate suarez (just an example). Player would go If we don't have the CL which is a must or because of the wages

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09 Jul 2013 12:47:09
ED052, out of curiosity just wondering what you think of our summer so far and what you would like to see happen between now and the end of the window?

I ask because to me it seems like we have a bit of work to do, especially with missing out on Mkhitaryan and Papa not looking likely who people claimed were the top 2 targets. As well as this Suarez will leave and Ed002 mentioned the other day that Barca will turn there attention to Agger as they couldn't get Silva, and I think losing Agger would be a massive blow to the team. {Ed052's Note - So far, we have made 4 very good signings, who I hope, and believe will improve the first team. I personally don't think we have top targets. we had players who we wanted to bring in, and have got 4 of those so far. We wont be held to ransom, and simply will move onto other targets, which is fari enough}

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09 Jul 2013 12:46:55
why are people so desperate for a "marquee signing"? buying one 25mil+ player doesn't guarantee you top 4. i'm sure the same fans crying out for a big money signing would slaughter BR & Arye if they flopped. Also people are slating who we have signed so far based on what exactly, the fact we haven't heard much about them? michu last season at 2mil banged the goals in and was relatively unknown. benteke was a big unknown (7mil) and now we have people on here crying out to buy him for 20-25mil. give the new lads a chance on the pitch and GET BEHIND YOUR TEAM!

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Van persie
Aguero
Hazard
Podolski

Buying proven marquee players doesn't work. hmm I think you're just trying to make urself feel better

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09 Jul 2013 12:44:24
Let Suarez go to another prem league club because that would make his life a lot easyer how long would he last back at anfield 5 ten min after losing his head getting band ect

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09 Jul 2013 12:41:58
For me the smart move would be push Suarez towards R Madrid for Cash and a Player or two and I bet that would also suit Madrid just perfectly as well. let's say we value Suarez at £50M! How about let's say we will take £20M cash plus Alonso and Higuain? Or if they say Higuain is off to Arsenal we will take Benzema instead .




£20 cash plus Alonso + Higuain?

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09 Jul 2013 12:56:36
Alonso and Higuain won't join Liverpool.

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I agree we should push him towards them and say we want Higuain as part of any deal, weather that be Higuain and £10M or Higuain and £20M i'd be happy to have Higuain as he is a real class player that would improve our 1st team. Alonso won't return at all.

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Higauin is rubbish, all his goals are from 5/6/7-0 wins from the bench. He is the luckiest player in world football as he plays with Ozil, Di Maria etc who do all the good work before playing him in 1v1 or into an open net.

He really isn't worth 30€ that Madrid want.

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09 Jul 2013 12:37:08
I think Suarez would suit Chelsea to be fair.
Terry, Cole, Suarez, Torres and Mourinho - all men of class.
NOT!!
He'll fit in well :/

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Bit unfair lumping Torres in to that group. He's not acted like the others U mention

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Well the 2nd poster has terrible memory.

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No Torres never sulked on the football field while on over 100k per week for 18 months straight.
Seriously?!
Sorry 2nd poster, have you just woken up after a 4 year snooze?

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09 Jul 2013 12:33:55
Just read that Kevin Prince Boateng has said he wants to leave AC. Any chance? Jdog {Ed052's Note - We'd have to have interest in him, which we don't}

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09 Jul 2013 12:29:16
Hi eds, Liverpool haven't dropped interest in benteke so do you think its possible and what kind of money would he go for because in my mind its a huge risk as it looks a lot like the carroll transfer, he has only had a year in the premier league plus I don't think he would really fit into rodgers style of play. Also is there any interest in Bernard or pappis cisse?
cheers {Ed052's Note - We have no interest in Cisse, or Bernard. We were shocked by the fee being asked for Benteke, perhaps 18m-25m.}

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Does having 1 good debut season in the Epl warrant a fee in excess of £20M .

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Papiss Cisse? The guy who scored a few crackers then went missing for a season. No thanks.

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09 Jul 2013 12:27:41
We should simply reject any bid for Suarez from a Premiership club. We can't be making the other teams in the top 4 stronger when it's our main objective to finish there.
He should be allowed to leave for £40m+ to a foreign club and everyone will be happy as long as the money is reinvested back in the squad.
If we were to get Papadopolous, Eriksen and Cissokhi from the cash it would mean we only need a striker to have a very strong squad for next season. Who that will be, I'm not sure.
Can't see Benteke fitting in to our style. I'd like Jovetic or ElShwaary but can't see them not playing in CL. More likely Tello or Callejon

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Totally agree selling Suarez to another Premier
league is a no go even if Chelsea offer us our asking price as I really think our best option is to do some kind of P/E plus cash and that leaves us with only 2 teams! R Madrid or Barcelona. I like the Madrid option of £20 M cash with Alonso and either Higuain or Benzema coming to us

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Simply will not happen, why would higuian join us over Arsenal? i'm desperate to know?

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09 Jul 2013 12:25:25
Hi eds,

Rather than me pluck a random name out of the sky, do you know who we are actually targeting after missing out on that Armenian fella. I know it's likely that more than one but if you could give any names I would be eternally grateful.

Cheers eds. {Ed052's Note - No. But there are rumours of Jorginho - only rumours all be it}

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Ed052 do you know much on Jorginho? Seems to be coming from Serie B with little experience in top flight football and on paper if he is an alternative for Mkhitaryan it seems he would be a lot of a downgrade {Ed052's Note - I don't know much about him, apart from he is very highly rated, but wouldn't go into our first team, or any other top team who signs him}

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09 Jul 2013 12:24:50
Hey eds, just curious when do players usually have to report back to training after an international tournament like the Confederations cup? {Ed052's Note - Well, Suarez is meant to be back on the 22nd. I guess its the same for the rest}

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09 Jul 2013 12:20:55
Could Liverpool be about to bring in Aly Cissohko he is talking up a move well and saying Valencia are a great club in a great City but Liverpool are a legendary club, would finally have someone to rival Enrique for LB as we all know Robinson will be out on loan next season and Enrique needs the competition

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09 Jul 2013 12:12:40
Hi Eds. Brilliant site. Checked the search function but didn't find anything re: questions I have about 2 players.

1) Have any teams shown an interest in taking Pacheco?

2) Are we looking to offload Assaidi? If so, are any teams interested? (Think I heard whispers of a loan back to Holland or something.)

Thanks {Ed052's Note - 1) There is probably interest from low down Spanish teams, but nothing I know off. 2)Yes. I thinks its PSV and another team who is interested, on loan, but we're looking to sell}

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If Utd get Thiago as reported then Liverpool should offer PSV Assiadi and £12M/£15M for Kevin Strootman, he would be a very good player at Liverpool could slot in a 3 man midfield with Lucas & Gerrard or behind the front man as an attacking midfielder. {Ed052's Note - Strootman to Roma is a rumour a heard earlier}

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09 Jul 2013 12:12:34
I am happy with the signings so far but the only concern is we have not improved the first 11. If we started the season with everyone available (suarez included) how many of the new signings would start?

Obviously there was a need to improve the bench, but seeing as we struggled against the teams above us when we played our strongest team last season surely at least one 'big' signing' is required?

Kev the Red (apples)

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Aspas, Mingolet and Toure will all start in the first 11.
Alberto to start as a bench option.
So that's more than 25% of the first 11 improved. What's your point?

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Aspas toure and possibly mignolet would start?

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09 Jul 2013 12:37:43
I disagree.

-Iago Aspas would most definitely start ahead of Downing.
So we improved our RW position, I have seen Aspas play atleast 20 times. He is a brilliant
player.

-Kolo Toure is an improvement on empty shoes and the games I watched him this season he looked good.

-Simon Mignolet is a great Shot-stopper, Reina's form for the last 2 seasons has been very bad, so bad some have called for the completely unreliable Brad Jones to start ahead of him.
If Reina stays (doubtful) we have improved our GK position very much.

-Luis Alberto is a player who will replace Shelvy who was incredibly bad last season. He was getting worse by the game. In my opinion Luis Alberto looks a real talent and a huge upgrade on Shelvy

Malak

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Aspas is a definite starter, many fans will like him and I guess he will be replacing Downing .
Mignolet, most likely will be our number 1 with Pepe moving on.
Toure is for the dressing room and cameo appearances, which is an important part of the game
Alberto may not even make the bench (well its between him and Joe Allen).

Roy

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09 Jul 2013 12:04:42
good afternoon eds, what's your view on gary hooper of celtic, I think it strange that no club any bigger or better than the likes of norwich have showed an interest. I feel if Liverpool bid 6 million hooper himself would jump at the chance and celtic no option but to sell. at the age of 23 and scores for fun this is a no braine IMO, if nhe doesn't quite make the grade you would loan and recoup that 6 million, but somethin is telling me if this kid gets a chance in premier league he will do the business. {Ed052's Note - The reason no team 'better' than Norwich haven't showed any interest is because he isn't good enough}

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With respect to the SPL, I think even N'Gog would have scored for fun against the likes of St Mirren and Ross County.

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09 Jul 2013 12:45:43
Michel Ngoo did well in the SPL.

Now Ngoo almost never impressed me whenever I've watched the U-21s.

My opinion is that Apart from Celtic, the level of the SPL is about the level of league 1.

So Hooper isn't necessarily a brilliant player as the ed says only Norwich & Hull who wanted him.

Pluss Celtic are looking for a laughable fee. They've already rejected £ 7 million from Norwich.

Malak

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09 Jul 2013 12:52:09
In fairness Hooper also scored in the Champions League.

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09 Jul 2013 12:59:43
Bruce lee.
You beauty. still laughing.

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09 Jul 2013 11:58:12
I think lfc should play hardball woth suarez when it comes to epl teams. If Chelski want him, we should ask fpr Mata, if Arsenal want him we should ask for Carzola.

I agree with a lot of people in that selling him to another epl team that are sat above us in the table is suicide, but it may not be so bad if we offload a lying, troublemaking, selfish person and gain one of thier decent players.

Obviously its not down to just the clubs but I think it would be better to accept big cash bids from abroad rather than sell him to our immediate rivals.

Surely FSG, and Brenden feel the same way right? {Ed052's Note - Playing 'hardball' will slow the process down. We need him gone, for a fair fee, as quickly as possible.}

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09 Jul 2013 12:29:51
Why would mata or carzola even consider coming to Liverpool, when we can't even keep our best players?

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I though suarez was the best thing ever what happened?

Now he's all sorts of things (like Berty Bassett) and none of them nice?

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Fair enough Ed052.
But why do we encounter 'hardball' when we go for top targets - Papa, Iloris, Alder, Mk etc etc?
Just do the same ; this is the price, you know what you have to do.
The Juicer {Ed052's Note - Yes, but with those players, they don't have the same problems as Suarez does, so its a little different. Each scenario is different}

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Ed052 just because you personally don't like a player (suarez) dosnt mean we go and sell him for the first offer, which is a very poor offer just to get rid of him.yes he has problems but so what? all the top teams want him why should we preach the morall high ground none of the other teams seem to be bothered by what he's done. and that's because they're judging him by how good a player he his!simple as tht. {Ed052's Note - Where have I ever said I don't like Suarez personally. From all I know, he is a decent family man, who loves his family. Its on the football pitch where he is a genius and a fool. That's what the problem is. You say all the top teams want him (Arsenal are desperate - Chelsea may not be) - and they're not great teams}

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09 Jul 2013 11:51:00
Im relaxed about suarez.
Option 1 : a fee is agreed with real or who ever abroad, that both parties are happy with, cushty.
Option 2 : Fee isn't met, and we keep him. His character is of someone who wouldn't mope around, he's far to passionate, he would give his 100% when playing. cushty.
Option 3 : If sold to another prem club, I will be spitting bullets and frothing at the mouth. How he has gone on about the british media harassing his family etc etc, he would move to London?! where its gunna be ten times worse. I would hate him far more than anyone I have ever hated, to just use my club as a stepping stone, to lie to us, to bring our club in to disrepute, to embarrass us the way he has done. after everything Kenny and the club did for him. i'm talking like i'd be surprised if he went to a prem club! when in fact its exactly what he would do!

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I wouldn't mind if Chelsea come in for him. They're a good shout for the title anyway this season, and if he can knock a few in against Spurs and Arsenal, that might help us out almost as much as if he stayed. It might also force Real's hand a bit, either way we need to move him on soon, so we can reinvest, (which we will, and unearth more gems like Coutinho, ). We bought Torres for around £20m and Luis for about £23m, that'd be a combined £47m profit (I know it's not quite that simple, but), cheers Mr Abramovich. Yes he has obviously lied about the media thing, but it doesn't really change the antagonism most people seem to feel towards him at the mo. He's perhaps got 4, maybe 5 years left at the top, so, go play CL football, be someone else's headache for a while and thanks for the memories.

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09 Jul 2013 11:50:23
in order to break into the top four we must have a better team than our opponents by selling our best player to our rivals in the same league is just stupid .if this is the case then our club is about money and not success .i'd let the little bast. d sit on the bench before i'd sell him to the pl .its about time someone in Liverpool stood up to him and said ok if a foreign team come in with 50 million for you then off you go otherwise your going nowhere.Bite on that louis.

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09 Jul 2013 11:42:52
What was the price quoted when we inquired about Benteke ed? {Ed052's Note - I don't know - but it was too much}

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09 Jul 2013 11:14:51
Ed, this may be a stupid question but since HM has gone to Dortmund, are Liverpool targetting anyone for the attacking midfield role? Any info would be great. Thanks. {Ed052's Note - Yes, I should imagine they are, but I have no names for you at the minute}

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09 Jul 2013 11:34:39
Ed, out of 10 what are the chances in your view of Christian Eriksen ending up at Liverpool this summer? {Ed052's Note - 1}

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If Liverpool want him though its bound to be an 8. He is there for the taking at a fair fee.

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09 Jul 2013 11:33:40
Oh boy. prepare yourself this is going to be yet another long season for us reds

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What because one LCF target never paid off?

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09 Jul 2013 11:28:24
If Downing goes to West Ham (and as touted by the Ed's Aspas is his replacement) plus after missing out on Mkhitaryan then I can definitely see Rodgers wanting another attacking player - just have no idea who!

It maybe another Coutinho type signing that non of us know about or is it likely to be Jorginho?

Whats peoples thoughts?

YNWA JFT96 jns

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Rodgers has already come out and said he wants 1 more defender and & attacking player, and said if there are departures then he will need to replace them, Alberto, Aspas & Toure were brought to add strength in depth not to replace Downing, Skrtel etc etc

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Downing is not going to be sold in this window. aspas is not there to replace him. he was brought in to add in depth in the squad.
sj

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Aspas bought for competition for Downing and so that if Downing was to go then we would have someone in place to replace him!

Downing may not go but I expect him to get less chances this season which may make him want to leave to play!

YNWA JFT96 jns

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09 Jul 2013 11:28:21
Any Truth in the Wilfred Bony Rumours? {Ed052's Note - You support Swansea?}

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09 Jul 2013 11:27:35
If we was considering buying Mkhitaryan for over £20m, it shows we have the money and intention to buy a quality attacking midfielder. The problem is now I have no idea who we will go for as an alternative. Please enlighten me on any potential attacking midfielders instead of Mkhitaryan?
I personally like Michu

Cheers Wez

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Why does it show you that? Arsenal bid £30mil for Suarez. Its well known the amount required to speak to him is £40m. So the bid, what does it show? Arsenal have £30m they're willing to spend keeping the fans happy OR aware the bid would fail bid anyway to keep fans happy without actually having to spend? See something similar?
Carlo

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Yea sure Michu is now worth over £20M, there are lots of players out there that we can buy for x mount that can walk into the 1st team and make a real difference, Rodgers said he wants to add 20 goals to the team, so i'd imagine we will pay a high price for that chosen player but atm its anyone's guess who it may be.

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STFU Carlo, Arsenal do have money this summer to spend big on players, Higuain is an example. I am pointing out that we must want to buy a Quality attacking midfielder (as BR has said) and we are willing to pay as much as it would of cost to buy Mkhitaryan. I am asking a question of WHO we could get in that attacking midfield position?

Wez

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09 Jul 2013 13:05:28
guys.guys relaax. If we ever had an intention of buying Micky with a bid of 22 mill, was suerly coming from suarez sale.
Dont think we would buy another attacker of 20 mill, keeping suarez with us. we simply don't have the money.

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Any ideas who could provide those 29 goals BigD?
Wez

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09 Jul 2013 11:18:06
If Chelsea sign Suarez where does that leave Torres!

Potentially Chelsea would have a front line up of Torres and Suarez which is what LFC wanted a few seasons ago - oh the irony.

YNWA JFT96 jns

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Benayoun Torres and Mereles never done well at Chelsea though. I don't really know why?

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09 Jul 2013 09:45:37
RIP Dave Hickson

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09 Jul 2013 10:58:10
So it turns out that it's nothing to do with the British Media, he just wants Champions League and/or more money. It's simple, the cheapest a foreign club can have him for is £40 million and the cheapest a Premier League club can have him for is £60 million.
He's going to end up going to Chelsea isn't he eds.?
I can see it now. {Ed052's Note - Chelsea haven't bid and I'm not sure if they have interest or not. Does it matter if he ends up at another Premiership club?}

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I think that it does matter if he ends up at another premier league club Ed. Ask Arsenal fans if it mattered that Van Persie ended up at Utd as opposed to say Inter or someone. This will be more so if Arsenal splash out this year and are utd's direct rivals for the title.

Selling Suarez, one of the five best strikers in the world in my opinion, to one of our direct rivals for the top four spot would surely be a counter productive act. Bad enough that we are weakened, let's not help to strengthen our rivals into the bargain.

Dave's dog {Ed052's Note - I think it'll just be funny when we shift him to a team where they get all excited then find out how shit it is to have him. Especially if he's at a rivel}

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Ed052,
I understand your point, everyone's money is worth the same.
But
1. We'd be making a rival stronger, and
2. There is a principle I feel. Liverpool should not roll over.

Having said that, if we have quality lined up to re-invest in, then OK.
But I just worry that we're struggling on that score. Getting over-priced quotations and too much competition for targets.
The Juicer {Ed052's Note - 1. Has Suarez made us stronger, arguably not, will he make others stronger, arguably not. 2. We wouldn't be rolling over, more just moving on, quicker}

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Chelsea are running out of strikers to sign, Suarez will inevitably be somewhere on their list of targets. Although probably not in the top five. They have got Schurrle, missed out on Cavani, Falcao, perhaps Jovetic is still available, but I think he will go elsewhere. Suarez may be next on the list so to speak.

Disney!

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Yes It does matter ed. what a ridiculous thing to say. I don't want the best player in the league going to another team in our league and strengthening them, when its hard enough getting top four as it is. {Ed052's Note - I've already said, will he actually improve them though? Will he improve Chelsea - probably not. Arsenal, no, because he is greedy. Moreover, those teams will spend a lot of money on him (most of their budgets) meaning they cant afford to buy others they need. ANd then their star Suarez will be banned for 15 games...}

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09 Jul 2013 11:45:04
Ed052, I respect your views. But seeing Suarez in a chelsea shirt will for me be 10 times worse than Torres. Specially after all the nonsense he spouted :( I would be absolutely gutted, call me deluded, call me whatever you want man but I honestly believe we could continue to improve and Giving Arsenal or Chelsea our 30 goal striker well that is like accepting we won't finish top 4 again. In my opinion Liverpool should NOT sell him in England whatever the circumstances are mate.

Malak {Ed052's Note - I understand that, but he has pissed me off so much no, I just find it funny. Its a soap opera now lol. And he may score 30 goals, but think of all the goals he will take away from other by hogging the ball, not passing, trying the trick etc.}

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09 Jul 2013 11:54:15
this is turning out like suarez has no class in the way he is treating Liverpool why could he not say that in the first place person, get the best deal we can and move on from him just like we did with torres.Tommy Irish Red

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Ed052
I am going to take you to task on the issue of "has Suarez made us stronger"?
Instead of asking this, replace it with the question "Where would we have been without Suarez"?
By which I mean Carroll was either injured or a dead loss for 75% of his Liverpool career. Then last season until late January, Suarez was on his own.
So there'd have been no Wembley & the Carling for certain.
Suarez at least kept us competitive and has given us time to strengthen the squad. We'd have plummeted without him, I feel.
The Juicer {Ed052's Note - If we didn't have Suarez, it would have been someone else. Perhaps not as good (Sturridge/Coutinho) but they are better team players, and ain't banned for ages each year}

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The way I look at it, Suarez has burnt his bridges with us, we stuck by with the Evra incident and the Ivanovic biting and this is how he treats us, i'm not too bothered where he ends up as long as we get a fair price for him, I feel the price should be £50M but i'm sure we will sell for £40M, Arsenal will not pay that much so it leaves Cty, Chelsea & Madrid, If Higuain & Benzema stay then he won't go there so his options are very limited, he may well end up staying but I don't want a unhappy player that has been forced to stay as its never no good for the club, I think a move is best for everyone involved.

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09 Jul 2013 12:18:56
of course it matters that the best player in epl last season could leave us and go to a rival, come on ed jeepers

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Ed052

While I agree with most of your opinions, I disagree here.

The real AG {Ed052's Note - That's fair enough mate. Suarez is a decisive issue}

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Look I've always said it, Suarez will get goals, maybe 20 a season. But he wastes so much possession too and is liable to flip out at his team mates e.g. letting rip at a 17 yr old Sterling and 19 yr old Robinson. If we replace him properly we will actually have MORE GOALS in the team because his conversion rate is the pits. We create better opportunities when he's not on the pitch. Don't really mind if yee don't agree because our record when he's not in the team is far better. I've a feeling the Eds are of a similar mindset.

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Not being cheeky but your views on why Suarez going to another rival team would'nt effect us is nearing on mental talk. You say he wouldn't improve them? may I ask you to explain that cause Liverpool with suarez in there team are better than him not in it, and Liverpool without him and Chelsea with him would make them a lot strongerer than us. Yes he has missed a few games, some of those deserved an a lot not but the lad is all ways fit and never injured and never gets red cards. So his games that he has been banned is offset but the fact he's made of steel and never gets sent off.

If you ed 052 really beleive that Liverpool can get 4th by selling or star man to the gunners or chelski your radio rental!, he got us 30 goals last year and 7 assist, what's really wrong with that and how does it make him greedy? its his job to get goals and at the start of the season it was his job cause we had no one eles to do it. If FSG sell to a team in the EPl it really shows what there all about. I've backed them and BR to the hilt and I think there going the right way. They need to play hard ball and tell Suarez he's staying this year and he gets his move next year. What do you think SG and the rest of the team truly feel towards Suarez? you think deep down they want him gone or would rather him stay? I now what one i'm going for, they want to play with the best and he's up there in the top 5 players in the world right now.

Scottybhoy 1888 YNWA {Ed052's Note - I can't address all those points mate, but I've made my opinions pretty clear. but one thing, just because you score lots of goals doesn't mean your not greddy. Suarez should pass it more etc, and would score more, and the team would score more}

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We had a great player and the most loyal servant to LFC

Does anyone see the value of the king now?

Or is Kenny still persona non grata?

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Arsenal fan here, I don't want saurez any where near my club, but it is out of my hands.now there's no doubting saurez is a talent, but, he's a ticking time bomb with bagage, therefore I feel you may be disappointed with the offers that come in for him (would you pay 40m+ for him)and if your not carefull you may end up holding on to him "god forbid" then he will prob do something so outrageous to get his own way lfc will have to sack him.i don't think r.madrid will be selling higuain and ancelotti isn't going to start his new job with an allmighty gamble which is saurez, ditto pellegrini, ditto moyes, ditto mourinho, in fact I think benteke fits mourinhos style better, the italian clubs don't have the money, therefore I feel saurez/lfc will find a very limited market in which to do business,
trev the gooner

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09 Jul 2013 14:03:36
Haha trev the gooner. Limited market? Lol.

Thanks to your rejected £ 30 million bid clubs now know not to waste our time with peanuts.

And if Suarez stays we will be delighted. Maybe a bit of hostility towards him, once he scores a couple of goals it will all be forgotten.

You talk like we are going to get stuck with Spearing, It's Suarez FFS, One of the best players in the world. Even when we sold Torres he was far from his best.

Just get used to it Trev, nothing has changed at Arsenal. You won't be signing £30 million players anytime soon.

Malak

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09 Jul 2013 10:55:56
20 mill for benteke.
forget him and get 22 mill for either Muriel or Lamela.
more versatile, flexible, excellent dribbling skills.
with him and countinho we could make david luiz and co looks fool.
Muriel for me, because of his skills, he could easily beat a man and sturride could finish.
BR get them. that's the investment for the next 5 years. {Ed052's Note - You say it as if it would be so easy to sign those two Harry. Muriel - WP problems. Lamela - ownership issues. And, we've shown no interest in them, nor have they shown any interest in us.}

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I don't think sturridge has such good finishing nor does suarez.

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09 Jul 2013 11:57:02
i agree muriel r soldodo harry prob go for muriel first but I think 1 of the eds said there would be wp probs with him.Tommy Irish Red

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09 Jul 2013 10:54:49
im a lifelong Liverpool fan and I agree that Suarez should be paying CL football!

In an ideal world he would stand by us as we have him this year to get us into CL, then he can stay with his "beloved" Liverpool - if we fail, he could move on.

However if Suarez needs CL and CL needs Suarez then it should be reflected in the £ we get in return. None of this BS about his value lower due to temperement! You can't get on the moral high ground and still want him, up or shut up

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More important than the fee for Suarez is getting the correct replacement to add to our growing attacking options!

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09 Jul 2013 10:54:23
If Chelsea want Suarez and he wants to leave then I would ask for Moses and Lukaku and 15 million and tell them to take it or leave it, makes no difference to us.

If they would make that deal, then I think we would be ready for the start of next season with a greatly improved squad.

I know swaps are not easy, but selling one of your most influential players is not supposed to be easy.

Lanarth

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Moses and Lukaku are real people not bargaining chips, and they'd both have to want to make the move. High profile player swaps are so highly rare it's not even worth discussing.

SpudRed

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09 Jul 2013 10:47:15
luis what are you doing u and your agent asking Chelsea to be involved the reasons for u wanting to leave were the press etc which yes they have knocked him down but u havnt really helped urself in that respect lpool let the evra thing go but after the ivanovic incident what did u expect and still the club back u publically, now to say that u want to leave for these reasons ok but then to want to try and push moves through to epl sides an absolute disgrace u say your love for the club and fans is great I beg to differ greatly from these actions if u were to of said u need cl football I don't think there is a fan that wouldn't agree and wish u all the best and thank u for what u have done for us and u would of been held in the highest esteem for years to come but in my opinion u have shown urself up for exactly what u r and have proved to all those who knocked you that they were right I tell u what it makes u realise what you have had in players like stevie g and carragher that is real love for our club

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09 Jul 2013 10:40:17
regarding the suarez and benteke rumours. chelsea so say looking at £40 million for saurez. sell him. who cares. he's a great player but he has no class. he's almost the nemisis of everything lfc stands for. also someone asked if benteke is a br type player. maybe i'm missing something but if benteke was a br type player how was carroll not. besides £ 20 million is too much for benteke.

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Benteke and Carroll are two completely different players. The only thing they have in common is height. Benteke is quick and mobile for a start, two things Carroll deffinately isn't.

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Benteke has pace power and clinical. can turn a defender and run of d shoulder. he wudnt be my ideal signing but he's far far better and offers more than carrol. stevie wonder can see that
5 gold stars

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09 Jul 2013 10:25:45
If made available how much would Lukaka be priced at? {Ed052's Note - Its impossible to answer a question where the first bit wont happen (this summer}

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It might ed if chelsea want L S cheers ant {Ed052's Note - Well, no, because Chelsea don't want rid of Lukaku, and certainly wont pay £70m for Suarez like you suggested earlier.}

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09 Jul 2013 09:26:10


cheers {Ed052's Note - I don't know why it was cut so send it again mate}

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09 Jul 2013 10:05:21
I expect Reina & Suarez to leave and depending on what defender we buy Skrtel but weather or not they stay or go I feel we need:

Toby Alderwiereld as he can play CB or LB comfortable and give Enrique a bit of competition as Jack Robinson will be loaned out next season. £9M

Illori as Coates will almost certainly leave as he wants 1st team football which Liverpool can't offer him, i'd prefer us to loan him out as we won't loose any value on him as if we sell were looking around £5M also Ilori can also cover LB. £6M

I would like either one of Gustavo or Wanyama as we definitely need muscle in the middle of the park and they will provide it, also they are both defensive players which we could do with as if Lucas gets injured we ain't got no one to step up. £10M - £12M

Luis Muriel to play wide right and can also play CF, closest thing to Suarez as they both have good dribbling skills, trickery, pace and goals, although Alexis Sanchez could be an option. £18M - £20M

I would like to see Coutinho behind Sturridge as I feel he is far more effective in the middle than out wide left, I also feel that Suso should be direct competition for Coutinho as they are both similar in style.

I think if we strengthen with those players with the ones we've already brought in then i'm sure we could challenge for the Title and not top 4 as we would have depth in all areas of the team.

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Coutinho and suso may be similar in style but coutinho is miles ahead in ability. I personally don't think he's ready to step up yet but would be happy if he proves me wrong.

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Contact has been made on alderweirald but by norwich city! And actually he is a centre half/right back not a left back!

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What a window that could be, good shout IMO

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Sounds great. Overall much stronger except we could do with a LW. Also I would say if we got Alderwield who can cover LB, as you say, then I just wouldn't replace Coates. Kelly & Wisdom could be considered 4th & 5th choice CBs or else Kelly will be 30 years old before we decide to give him a chance in his natural position.

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Yeah - we sure need muscle in the midfield - suppose you think Gerrard is a big softie then.
Forget the age, he is one fit sportsman, and wouldn't be surprised if he plays every game next year.

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09 Jul 2013 10:53:20
Top Post. I would love this to happen.
If we need CL next season we must have these players with us.
But I still don't think about Muriel availablity, But If we could prize Muriel or Lamela away. that's an investment for the next 5 years.
both would be an execptional signing.
We should defo bring in Either Lamela or Muriel with a significant offer.
We don't have much money, But with suarez sale and some add ons here and there. We should meet these target and that's it.
Fingers crossed.

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Lets learn to walk first before we run BigD. We're still ages away from challenging for the title. But give it a few years and hopefully Rodgers will have us up there!

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10 Jul 2013 10:07:22
Seems very unrealistic to me.

Alderweireld is available for around £6 million, so why would we want to pay £9 million? Also, Alderweireld covers right back, not left back, though I suspect he can play there too.

Ilori, the problem clearly is money as Ed002 has pointed out. Sporting want close to £8 million and I don't see us paying that much for a center back who has only played half a season of first team football.

Gustavo, Wanyama, we are not interested in unfortunately, though I would have liked Gustavo myself.

Muriel will struggle to get a work permit and our interest seems to have waned and there is no chance of Sanchez.

The real AG

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09 Jul 2013 10:01:15
so now the truth has come out all this rubbish bout the british media now the real reason is champs league if he had of said that I like a lot of others would have respected u luis now if I were Liverpool I would make him honour his contract i'm sick of my Liverpool been taken for a soft {Ed052's Note - making him honour his contract helps nobody - least of all the club}

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This season coming Coloccini is once again being made honour his contract at Newcastle so some clubs do take a stand and players they want to keep they force them to stay. Modric was made to stay another year at Spurs as well before moving to Madrid.

Suarez won't go below £35m in value. His attitude on the pitch has been 2nd to none and with it being a world cup year it would be just be his wages costing the club (which are reasonable compared to other clubs star players).

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09 Jul 2013 11:19:12
If he starts saying real reasons for leaving that will massively effect our transfer plans & will send wrong messages to pontential signings, let's be honest here everyone knows why he wants to leave, don't forget he is 27 & has only 4-5 years left to play in highest level, its right time for him to leave & we as club can invest/buy more potential/young players!

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Couldn't agree more sean

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10 Jul 2013 10:07:06
The editors have been telling you and your fellow Suarez lovers for a long while that he a rat and that he wants out. All the media thing is just an excuse he used to get out of LFC. Infact, Ed002 pointed out some time back that the story of his family posing for picture in Manchester was also a lie.

No doubt the Suarez lovers will be out in force again today, defending his "honor"; while the "We have to keep Suarez for another season" brigade will not change their stance either.

The real AG

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09 Jul 2013 10:01:08
Eds, Not so much a rumour but fishing for insight:

Are Liverpool interested in Benteke? Obviously the rumours mill will be working overtime with Suarez potentially leaving and us having a large amount of cash looking for another forward.

To me despite his potential and goals last year, he does not appear to be a player we should be interested in given we have Sturridge as they are both players which like to lead the line.

And would have thought a direct replacement of Suarez would have been what's required?

So Benteke to Liverpool Yes/No? and thoughts on our attacking players and formation next season? {Ed052's Note - 1. We enquired but we're scared off by the price. 2. Its actually impossible to have a direct replacement for Suarez. 3. I don't see us signing Benteke, at present}

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09 Jul 2013 09:51:33
do you think arsenal made the bid for suarez just to show there fans there doing something after saying they can spend big? perez said they haven't bid for higuian, I belive they are behind that rumour! we should bid 10m for Wiltshire if they think 30m for suarez is anywhere near {Ed052's Note - No, they didn't bid to sell more season tickets. What they did was make an announcement on summer spending (to do a lot of it) on the same day season tickets began to be sold.}

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09 Jul 2013 09:44:53
With regards to players potentially leaving (Reina, Coates, Agger, Skrtle, Downing, Spearing, Assaidi, Suarez and Pacheco), which of these players would a replacement be brought in? {Ed052's Note - Reina already has, for Agger/Skrteel (only one will leave) one replacement, one for Downing and maybe one for Suarez}

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That one for Downing ED052, would you expect maybe a LW instead of a RW so we could push Coutinho central or do you think it would be more likely to try sign someone who can play any of the attacking positions? {Ed052's Note - I think we would look to see who was cheap and available. I am still not convinced however, that Downing will leave}

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Fair enough, it was suggested earlier on the rumours page that possibly West Ham have enquired at circa £8m - I hope this will work out that's good money for him

I hope if we are looking for value though that we do actually find it, I see no point in spending say £8m on someone like Ince when he wouldn't improve on the youngsters like Sterling

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09 Jul 2013 09:43:26
I would like to know what everyone thinks of Christian Benteke, in terms of him being available and what he could offer to LFC. Just for clarification I have no clue where he will end up just admire him as a player.

My thoughts:

How people compare him to Andy Carroll is beyond me, CB is a brute of a man but also has speed and great feet. AC was great in the air but offered little else in terms of footballing ability for me personally. After watching Benteke many times this season it is apparent that he has the ability and speed to take on a man (which AC struggled with), his goal vs Chelsea (I think) is a good example of this. He also has the attribute of being able to play pass and move football which you do not easily find in a "target man" type centre forward. I would be interested to see what would happen to Sturridge as obviously CB would be in the central role. Leaving Sturridge/Aspas/Coutinho floating either side?

I am concerned that CB may struggle in his second season as many strikers have, but if we can get a deal for around £14-£17 million mark its worth a go in my eyes. My other concern is Villa will see that we sold AC for £17mill and demand over £20 due to the fact he is in demand.

Again, just my thoughts and wondered what my fellow LFC fans think of him as a player and would they want him at our club.

Great Work ED'S

Chris

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Can't belive you thought all AC had was heading ability - he has good feet and the ability to bother the best centre halves, a bit like Benteke really.

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I really don't see £17m having any hope of getting him I would say £22-23m. Villa may sell to fund their own purchases but I don't think they actually want or need to sell the player. He has done very well, big, strong, fast, decent movement and his finishing has been ok, room for improvement there

Both he and Sturridge would like to play the central striker role so that would be a problem, imo

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The only problem is that it looks like there's going to be a bidding war and his price will only go up and up.

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09 Jul 2013 09:39:21
If we believe todays reports, we are potentially shipping out; Suarez, Reina spearing and downing circa £59m

Given there are rumours still about agger, skrtel, coates, Enrique it could be busy indeed!

Now we can't lose em all it just can't happen, so would you keep/sell and who would you replace them with?

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09 Jul 2013 09:37:42
Hai Ed Pls post this.

Pere Guardiola Quoted

He said: "Luis has to be playing Champions League football. When you have the most complete striker in the world not playing in the top competition in Europe, then you know something is not right. He deserves the Champions League and the Champions League deserves him.

"Real Madrid are a great team; Chelsea are a great team and Arsenal are a great team - but the most important thing is that they can offer him consistent Champions League football, which is not something Liverpool have been able to do.

"I can tell you his love for Liverpool is very real. If they were playing in the Champions League, he would not consider leaving. But he knows he is now at the stage of his career that he needs to be playing at the top level." {Ed052's Note - Ignore the last lines or so when he mentions love for Liverpool - that's just to avoid a riot}

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There we go! The cats out of the bag. All the media thing was just an excuse made up by Suarez, the biggest hypocrite.

Are all of you folks who believed in Suarez's words happy now? Or are you of the opinion his agent went rogue?

The real AG

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Those quotes were from Cavani, not Pere Guardiola by the way.

KiwiRed {Ed052's Note - Thanks KR}

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30mil+Mata and i'd be delighted. Unfortunately never going to happen

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09 Jul 2013 11:15:29
The Real AG.

I seriously think you have some personal issues with Suarez like I have pretty good feeling about him.

But let's be honest. How many of current Liverpool players are happy with our club.

reina wanted to go. he wasnt outspoken. But he defo want to go.
Agger. probbaly one more year and if no CL next year. he would go.
Skertel opened his mouth last season about the desire to move if big offers comes in.
Countinho and sturridge joined in the winter probably would turn their head if we finish 7th again and No CL.
Downing, at this wage no club would buy him.
Henderson, needs to prove he is a good CM, and for this he is at the best club he could ever play.
Allen, had an awful seaosn, again needs to prove himself.

Suarez opened his mouth. rest never. but eventually one day they would if we fail to achieve CL.

Torres moved, because no cl, alonso moved, because real wanted him, ronaldo moved after winning the EPL with UTD. modric moved, fabrigas moved, rvp moved.

The point is. wether he blabbers or not. he wants to move probably to a cl Side, Priority is Real, If not then chelsea or even arsenal.

Yes he Lied, but who hasnt?. he has 4 years left in his career. probably the best time for him to win something. and certainly that's not Liverpool FC.

Dont get Offended and start abusing me.

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I posted a reply to Harry Scusser's reply, but it didn't get through. Anyway I don't have interest in a discussion where Harry defends his massive man crush on Suarez.

The real AG

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Didn't Agger reject city Harry?

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Harry, you've mentioned 8 current Liverpool players in your list of those who aren't happy other than Suarez. 2 of them fine ya you could say Reina as he wants to be challenging for honours and yes definitely Skrtel as he was dropped last season. None of the rest though.

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09 Jul 2013 14:28:02
Harry no, not every player is an ungrateful, completely selfish and a huge DF like Suarez.

No I really really doubt coutinho & sturridge will go anywhere for many years. Stop spouting rubbish.

Malak

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09 Jul 2013 09:30:51
Mignolet Toure Aspas Alberto. If we added say 2 possibly 3 similar profile players before the start of the season and lose Suarez and say Skrtel and Downing would you be happy with the clubs business? Also were do you think we would finish in the league and would we have a good chance of picking up a trophy?

Waro

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I am not sure what you mean by "similar profile" as the players who have been brought in are not all of "similar profile" as you put it.

But if it means buying players who want to improve and are ready to step up a level to increase the competition in an already very competitive squad, then yes, I would be happy.

I have no idea who LFC have targeted to replace Suarez, but I think if Downing also leaves with Suarez, we will see a wing forward come; not necessarily a younger player, but somebody who can go straight into the squad. That, and if Agger and Skrtel stays, Alderweireld and I am a happy chappy.

I expect us to finish 4th and have good cup runs. With the squad very competitive, maybe even win a cup, though the main priority in my opinion has to be CL qualification.

The real AG

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I, and I would say the vast majority on here, have seen next to nothing of the new signings - barring Mignolet.
So, who knows?
I am worried by the major sales that are possibly coming -
Pepe (Mignolet is not an improvement but them both in the same squad would be sorted) ;
Agger (that would be a bad bad loss and set us back. Alderweireld as a replacement would be standing still at best. I'm less worried by Skrtel leaving as Alder would be a better replacement. Ideally, Papa would be great and cover the loss of either but seemingly too expensive. Toure should not get into our starting XI, and we're in trouble if he does) ;
Downing (his departure is deserved) ;
Suarez (losing 30 goals and so much hard work up front. I have no idea where his replacement / s will come from. At best, Aspas as a part-replacement).
So, in truth, Waro mate, I feel that Liverpool still has its most important and crux business left to do.
If these players are not replaced / improved, we'll be 6th at very best imo.

The Juicer

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Well, Migs and Aspas are quality players and 2 more of their quality/profile in return for Downing and Skrtel would strengthen us. I would like to see a CB with experience and potential signed along the lines of Alderweireld. Toure is massive experience and strength to our defense. Someone of his ilk, strength and experience for CDM back up would be a very good signing.

Alberto is a future prospect, of which I expect a lot. Same as Coutinho, Sterling, Suso, Ibe and McLaughlin. Followed soon by Rossiter, Ojo, Yesil, Dunn, and Sinclair. If Suarez leaves I expect a top quality forward/attacker to be signed.

I think we will make top 4 this year. I expect us to make a strong start to the first 10 games and hold steady thru dec, with another smart purchase in Jan to boost the team.

SpudRed

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Who would you like to see come in waro mate?

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09 Jul 2013 11:13:48
By similar profile, I mean cheap potential/squad players AG, toure doesn't fit that profile and is just a cheap stop gap. You seem happy with that, fair do's.

If the window pans out the way I think it will, then I feel 6th is as good as it gets and maybe with a little luck a cup semi, and with even more luck the final.

Hope your right and i'm wrong.

Waro

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Waro

By similar profile, I mean cheap potential/squad players AG, toure doesn't fit that profile and is just a cheap stop gap. You seem happy with that, fair do's.
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Cheap doesn't necessarily mean a bad. I am happy if LFC are improving, whether that means buying a £30 million player or a £3 million player, it doesn't matter to me.

The real AG

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I'm torn. I agree with Waro, I think 8th/9th this season. I do believe we're moving in the right direction and think BR is/will be an awesome manager. However, the teams in the top 5 last season are much stronger and improving with top players. Also Swansea are improving and signing good players. Add Everton, who may improve under Martinez and a surprise team that always has a glory season normally a new promoted side or Sunderland/Newcastle who'll invest etc. So for me its 8th. I think our signings are good and see the squad working as a team/unit. But to lose Suarez and maybe Reina and a 1st choice CB (+Carra) is too much. We're replacing these with unknown, reserve, unwanted young players. Also not sure how much cash from sales will be used, this we'll have £40m to spend from Ls sale. really? can't see it myself.
Carlo

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Cheap means cheap though AG.
If a £3m player comes in and does well, he might be worth £6m the year after.
That's a marginal improvement all told in Prem terms.
But if a £20m player comes in and is worth £30-40m subsequently, now you're talking.
You get that point surely mate?
The Juicer

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8th/9th???

And then you say we are improving? I guess we are improving down the table

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I think if we finish in the top 6 then that is progress. Slow progress but progress none the less.
I think we can finish anywhere we want Waro.
I remember Newcastle finishing 5th when they were odds on with the bookies to go down at the start of the same season.
Look at Swansea last year. No one would have predicted at the start of the season that they would have won a cup. Wigan are another example although they did go down.
Who knows Waro, I like Rodgers but am still reserving judgement on him until the end of this season.
I think Liverpool may be better off selling all their star players to be honest.
I am not going insane, I just think that all the great Liverpool sides of the past were great teams. The whole team was the "star". Gillespie was just as important as Barnes, who was just as important as Nicol etc.
I would like to see us get back to that.
5th or 6th fella.

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Carlo, some of your posts are crazy man. You think 8th or 9th is moving in the right direction? I don't see Everton improving under Martinez, quite the opposite. Also really don't think Swansea, Sunderland or Newcastle having any chance of finishing above us. Mignolet and Toure unknown and untried reserves? Aspas is well established in La Liga.

Sorry man but I think pretty much your whole post is miles off.

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The Juicer

Cheap DOSN'T mean cheap. Michu cost Swansea £2 million last summer and now after scoring 18 league goals as an attacking midfielder converted into a striker, he is worth over £25 million. He was, as you folks say, an average and cheap player, at 26 no improvement could be expected out of him surely. Oh and he was playing 3rd division football not so long back either.

You get my drift Juicer?

The real AG

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09 Jul 2013 09:26:10


cheers {Ed052's Note - Hia mate. I've no idea why it wasn't put up, so please send it in again!}

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09 Jul 2013 09:24:59
I truly believe that Suarez will not be going to Chelsea or Arsenal this summer. Unless one of the big European clubs come in with an offer around £40 million then he will stay at Liverpool and knuckle down.

To sign for another English club would be just too seismic a move, and I believe that one of the involved parties, ie Luis, Liverpool or the buying club would not be willing to follow through with such a move and all of the fall out, grief and vitriol that would come their way.

Of this I am pretty certain.

Sure there may be paper talk or even sounding out by involved parties, this is normal. But to actually go through with it would be a different matter all together. IT WON'T HAPPEN.

Dave's dog

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Is that why Suarez's agent has spoken to Chelsea to see if they are interested in making a bid for Suarez; and Arsenal, who I suspect bide, because again, his agent must have said Suarez will consider moving to them.

The real AG

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He can go wherever he wants. in so far as the club gets paid the right amount. Torres went to Chelsea. Gerrard almost did.
If he goes to Chelsea/Arsenal, good luck to him and good riddance to damaged goods.

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I wouldn't bet on it, his agent has made it clear that all his client wants is champions league football - so chelsea, arsenal and man city are very much in the picture.

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His agent may be sounding out possibilities, as that's his job, what I stated, and stand by is that when it comes down to it one of the involved parties would decide against it. And I imagine this would probably be Liverpool.

Also to sell him to another English club would take an astronomical figure, one I don't believe Arsenal or Chelsea would be willing to pay. Not with the bans and baggage that come with him. If they do make such an offer then both Liverpool and Suarez have a decision to make.

The feeling in Liverpool, in the pubs and in the local press and radio stations, is that seling him to one of our rivals for top four is a step backwards and not something that they will look to be doing.

Dave's dog

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I agree that Suarez will probably not move to another PL club, but his reps are clearly sounding out anyone with CL who can afford him and pay his wages.

Any club that bids a certain amount can talk to his reps, whether it is an English club or not, though LFC don't have to accept it.

I ofcourse agree that selling him to a rival would be very bad idea.

The real AG

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In some ways you could see it as "open the floodgates" for offers from everywhere if that is how it is going to be played out, bar Utd of course. Sometimes it is about how you play the hand you have. Make the best from an un-ideal situation.

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09 Jul 2013 09:20:19
Hi Ed's. With Benteke making it official and putting in a transfer request with Villa, is that due to pacific interest he knows of from a certain club or was it just to see what interest there is in him. Are Liverpool interested as he seems to fit the remit for signings. {Ed052's Note - Benteke just wants to move to a bigger club as far as I am aware. We enquired about him but we're put off by the price. I don't see us being interested unless a) the price drops, b) we get a lot of money for Suarez, c) get desperate}

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09 Jul 2013 09:04:11
Jorginho is not an alternative for HM but will come to replace Downing/Assaidi

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Haha! The same Jorginho who plays as a deep lying playmaker?

The real AG

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09 Jul 2013 09:15:12
Greetings, all. Thanks for a great site, I check it several times a day. Just wanted to ask, although I am aware it's a reach: With Blackburn wanting Spearing, but in need of selling Martin Olsson to finance the move, couldn't this be an opportunity for one of those rare swap deals? With us in need of a backup/competition for Enrique, maybe Rodgers could get the best out of both. {Ed052's Note - No chance.}

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09 Jul 2013 09:09:51
A few weeks ago most of us didn't even know who Micky was, yes he's a good player, but so what, there are many more, the show goes on as they say.
As for all this Benteke speculation, its not going to happen, not for the style of player and not for the value.

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09 Jul 2013 09:03:57
hi, if the Suarez team have asked to speak to Chelsea and he wants to got there then so be it. We should only focus on what's good for Liverpool Football Club.

If Luis wants to stay and fight for us, then great if he doesn't then we should sell at the best price for us - no bitching or moaning, that's football!

So long as we do it early and reinvest in our squad, that's what we should focus on.

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I have defended Suarez' motives quite a bit on here.
But Liverpool should absolutely NOT sell to another PL club.
His agent should be told that in no uncertain terms.
And Luis should get it into his thick skull as well.
The Continent : yes, if the money's right.
England : forget it. You stay.

The Juicer

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The money is all that matters. If Luis goes to Chelsea, good for him.
What does it matter if he goes to Chelsea? It is not as if we will be competing for 1-4 with Chelsea this season or over the next 5-10 years.
A large portion of our fanbase should wake up and smell the coffee.

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09 Jul 2013 11:01:38
The Juicer.
I fully agree to your post, But If chelsea offer 50 mill for him. and everyone knows we despertaly needs money. Would you sell him? to add some quality to our club. or stick with the current team. apart from skertel departure and probably reina which would fetch a maximum of 20+ mill.
we won't be selling Allen nor hendo, Downing could get us a mximum of 10 mill.
But there is no ACM or LW at 10 mill availble.

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Yes Harry, I see what you mean.
I just posted a question to Ed052 further up on this.
If I was Liverpool manager, I wouldn't sell to another PL team.
But, if worst came to worst, I suppose it is business.
I am just worried about our ability to get quality in, without getting ripped off money wise.
The Juicer

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I would happily sell L S to chelsea for 35-40 m plus Lukaku cheers ant {Ed052's Note - That's so unrealistic it wouldn't even happen on fifa}

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09 Jul 2013 08:59:06
Hi Eds, where has the Player Profiles tab gone? {Ed052's Note - The site has changed a bit, but you can find it from the drop down menu bud}

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08 Jul 2013 19:34:08
A question for ed052 please.
Ed, if (and a big if) Liverpool were to sign Hamsik, would you be happy?

Cheers {Ed052's Note - Of course}

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09 Jul 2013 08:38:32
Is it true that if we got Jorginho he would be immediatley loaned out?

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No, it is not true.

The real AG

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09 Jul 2013 08:30:10
100 percent accurate info luis and pep are leaving.

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09 Jul 2013 07:58:43
Seen the papers (reliable source obv! Lol) are linking Everton with victor Moses! What are the chances of him leaving Chelsea? I thought they were going to give him a chance? If not I'd like to see him at Liverpool! Him couthino and Alberto behind Sturridge wld be brilliant! What u think eds? {Ed002's Note - He would be available if an acceptable bid were made.}

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I would love to see Victor Moses at Liverpool.
Made the step up from Wigan to Chelsea.
Competed for first team football against Hazard and Oscar.
Something Marko Marin could not do last season.

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I think he'd be a much better option than fans looking for Sinclair from City. Would be a good buy for us, how much do you think around £8-10m?

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Moses is a poor player. I wouldn't want him anywhere near LFC.

The real AG

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^AG mate he was actually outstanding last season when he played for Chelsea, and he played a lot more than most thought, he played about as much as Oscar did. If he's good enough for Chelsea, he's good enough for us.

RedKopite {Ed001's Note - Moses was outstanding? Do you really believe that lie? He was awful, he is awful and that is why he is available for sale, he is simply not good enough.}

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RedKopite

If Victor Moses was that good a player, why are Chelsea very happy to let him go so soon after buying him?

He is a poor player and not an improvement on even Downing.

The real AG {Ed052's Note - Sturridge?!!!...}

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Moses the beardy guy with the Tablets of Stone?

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Sturridge left after 3 and half seasons at Chelsea didn't he Ed052? He showed them what he could do but Chelsea bought in Hazard, Oscar, Mata etc and knew that he would be a squad player.

The real AG {Ed052's Note - He did, but if he was a good player, wouldn't Chelsea do all they could to keep him?}

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I actually think Moses is alright, an upgrade on Downing I would say yes. Wouldn't for a second say he has been outstanding though. And Oscar played probably close to 70 games this past season internationals included I'd say Moses played probably one third of the minutes Oscar played at best.

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It was down to the player as I understand Ed052. Chelsea were open to offers for Sturridge as you know, they keep on buying players for huge transfer fee. Sturridge knew it, so decided to move. His spell at Chelsea wasn't completely successful and hence he had a point to prove. BR brought in Sturridge knowing exactly this; that Sturridge would be raring to go and would want to prove his critics wrong that he couldn't make it at a 'Big' club.

The real AG

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09 Jul 2013 07:57:31
I can see Benteke at Chelsea. The immediate transfer request means that a club with CL football has approached him in my opinion.
That would rule us out.
He is a Mourinho type of player.
Only my view on it.

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Ok, we'll have Lukaku.

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09 Jul 2013 07:22:38
Me and a fellow red were both discussing the need for a strong CM who is comfortable on the ball and wondered whether this is a signing we are considering?
Alonso seems a bit of a romantic wish rather than reality and strootman will probably want CL so I would like to see wanyama or diame or the wigan lads mcarthy if we go cheap and short term a la toure then why not Barry?

Daniellambretta

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09 Jul 2013 07:16:55
Hi eds,

Please can you tell me who are the clubs fighting for the signing of Christian Eriksen?

Thank you {Ed002's Note - No one is "fighting" for his signature.}

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09 Jul 2013 07:14:31
I thought it was common knowledge that we made an enquiry about Benteke at the end of the season, it's clear he's on our radar.
My thoughts on him? Where does he play in our system? Does Sturridge move out wide to accommodate him?
He's only had one season in the Prem. we all know your first season doesn't count in the Prem. Henry & Drogba we rubbish in their first seasons, Michael Ricketts was great.

For 10-15 million plus Downing I'd take a punt. Any more than that and I'd walk. I think Villa want silly money for him.

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I absolutely agree with this. I don't see Benteke fitting into a Rodgers team at all.
And £25m supposedly for a "rookie" is daftness.
We got our fingers burned with Carroll in a similar manner.
Let one of the London clubs pick him up. Something has been sorted anyway.
The Juicer

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09 Jul 2013 06:49:17
Good morning all. Another day ahead full of Benteke rumours I suspect. IMO he is not quite what we need and I hope we chase down an attacking forward mid player in the hole or a needed winger.

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09 Jul 2013 06:23:28
our marquee signing should be a cb this season unless suarez leaves we should be ready buying attackers. we brought in aspas/alberto both attackminded players.the way we played the last months keeping clean sheets will get us top 4. 1 cb next to agger please.malta

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09 Jul 2013 03:07:44
I am already sick to death that we had missed out on Mkhitaryan. You all too will feel the same in a few years time! Like in the January window before Rodgers came to Liverpool, we had the chance to buy Reus for just �12m but we didn't and look what happened?
What's more funny is the supposed alternative to HM we are looking to buy?
Jorginho? Who the hell is he? and now we are going to spend £25m on Benteke but not for HM?
HAHA

Indy Kevin

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Can I ask, Did you know who Mickey was?

MJ

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09 Jul 2013 08:40:21
So much wrong with your post.

Jorginho is not a mk alternative.

Reus was never coming to Liverpool.

We will not be signing Benteke.

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09 Jul 2013 09:59:35
I was talking about Reus when he was at Borussia M'gladbach!
Then who is this goalscoring midfielder who is going to score 15+goals, HM alternative?

Indy Kevin

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Why do we need a goal scoring midfielder to score 15+ goals when we have Gerrard and Coutinho? Also, Henderson can chip in with a few too.

If Downing leaves with Suarez, the we need a winger/forward who can contribute to the goals department.

The real AG

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09 Jul 2013 02:08:05
Well if chelsea buy benteke along with the redt of the players in the world they're linked with then they'll have no need for Lukaku, nah what i'm saying ;)

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They'll never sell Lukaku mate, he's their next Drogba - besides, not sure if either him or Benteke would fit our system. BR clearly wants one striker up front with two playing wide off him.

Swallybean

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09 Jul 2013 01:16:09
Hi eds if Spearing is off and the rumours of downing going happens, this means we have lost 4-5 british players from the squad and so far replaced or added with foreign talent, as far as I remember there was some sort of rule for the number of British players there had to be in the squad, A. Is this something coming in or am I making rubbish up and B. If it is true are we looking at any british player are do we have enough in the academy who are coming up the ranks to come in as the british numbers needed? {Ed002's Note - For now the squad can only have a maximum of 17 non home grown. Don't worry about anything esle for now.}

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Well the british players that are getting sold are all a bit subpar. so what's there to worry about. you don't make the grade, u get sold. Your passport doesn't matter.

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09 Jul 2013 00:37:07
⌣̊┈̥-̶̯͡�̶̥OKay⌣̊┈̥-̶̯͡�̶̥ thank you ed for that update but I have A̶̲̥̅ question 1)what of emmanuel emenike he is A̶̲̥̅ good player what the chance he is cheap enh 2) these player we have bought I mean aspa and alberto how good are these player? I don't have confidence in them to take us t̶̲̥̅̊ợ̣̣̇̇̇ top 4. Or what your opinion please answer me

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09 Jul 2013 00:33:40
Ghana winger Christian Atsu is left out of Porto's pre-season tour of Holland.
Eds do you think it has something to do with Liverpool.
Thanks {Ed002's Note - I don't know.}

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09 Jul 2013 00:29:54
Dortmund have signed Mkhitaryan for £23.7m .
In my opinion spending nearly £24m on Mkhitaryan is a risky
deal.

Hey eds I want your opinion about this deal.
Do you think Liverpool did right.
Thanks {Ed001's Note - impossible to say. He might have been a revelation or a disaster for us. I don't think any of us have seen enough to make a true judgement on that. Though he has pace, which is always a great asset.}

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More than that if you include his agent's fees isn't it? It is quite an outlay. Kind of surprised as I believe he becomes BVB's biggest ever signing.

That said, I expect he'll do well at Dortmund and probably would have done well for us. Whether 'well' is worth is the price paid is something we'll never know now I suppose.

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24m is huge gamble. Gambling that much, at those odds, is not good business.
Yes, every signing is a gamble. But this would've been a particularly reckless one.

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Agree with the OP. A huge risk and I really don't like his attitude. Just like Luis, if he joins you with a snide move, chances are he'll leave that way as well.

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It is a lot of money because he cost almost as much as their starting 11

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09 Jul 2013 00:07:30
Why would we want Benteke? He's a big target man, how would that fit in with our preferred tika-taka style? Just a mother Andy Carroll for me, praying we don't go for him and opt for someone with a little more technical ability like suareZ, that's what we need for the system we aim to play isn't it?

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Is cavani like carroll aswell? Ridiculous

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He can hold up the ball. Carroll, for all his size and targetness. Could not.

Carroll just isn't versatile enough.

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Your comparing Carroll to Benteke, are you serious. Take a nap my friend and think that one over.

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He's not. He's a skillful fast finisher. Because he is big and powerful, people compare him to Andy carrol. He is a totally different player. He could
Be a big player for us.

Daveevad

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Benteke is more than a TM m8.

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He's more than a big target man my friend. Going to Spurs though.

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I still think his touch and passing could improve, and his positioning. Hopefully if we do sign him then he will get enough time and opportunities and not be branded the next And Carroll if he doesn't score in his first 2 games.
derryred

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09 Jul 2013 00:05:54
Rumour has it Wenger thought he could tempt Luis by telling him London was in Spain. Suarez is obviously stupid but come on Wenger! Nice try though!

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08 Jul 2013 23:17:24
Hi all, been reading the name Konoplyanka coming up quite a fair bit recently after we lost out on Mkhitaryan. Never seen him before, so any opinions from anyone would be appreciated, Eds do join in the fun as well. =) However, I also read that he has a massive buyout clause. May I trouble the Eds to confirm this? Cheers!

YNWA
Redken {Ed001's Note - I have no idea about the player or his buyout, I can't remember ever watching him play.}

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Thanks Ed001. Does any fellow Reds can help with this? Cheers.

YNWA
Redken {Ed002's Note - There has been no interest from Liverpool.}

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23 year old, Super quick, awesome acceleration, quite strong for his size which is slightly above average for an inside forward in today's world, quick feet and excellent close control, good delivery and likes to dribble at defenders. Scores a few, creates goal scoring chances. Unproven against top quality players. Looks very good against the 'lesser' players his league has.

The buy out clause conversation is because his manager slapped a 50m euro tag on him to stop Dynamo from snatching him. Reality is that he's valued around 15m euro max. Interesting player. Maybe worth a shout for 13m.

SpudRed

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Scored that beautiful strike against England in the Euros and gave Johnston a horrible game!

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08 Jul 2013 23:48:43
Benteke read Andy Carroll
£25m for what could be one season wonder
Not for me, better and more proven players out there for less money
I hope we learnt our lesson with Andy Carroll

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We need Benteke. but for that amount of money I'd rather we get Lukaku {Ed002's Note - But he is not for sale.}

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Excellent post

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So Coutinho and Sturridge are one season wonders as well then?
derryred

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08 Jul 2013 23:43:26
Brendan instructs Ian Ayre that he wants Benteke a player that fits the FSG model, young, gifted and with a sell on value. ian Ayre gets on his Harley and rides to Sunderland and writes them a cheque for 20 million. the Sunderland chairman can't believe his luck and doesn't mention the extra 0 digit on the cheque. Ian ayre rides home with a smug demeanour and can't wait to tell henry, tom and Brendan of his stellar work. enter Darren bent at mellwood for pre season training. {Ed001's Note - I think I should point out Bent is also at Villa......}

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Lol. I meant Villa. thanks for pointing out the faux pas eds 01. {Ed001's Note - I would have thought nothing of it, but you said Sunderland twice, so wasn't sure if you just had forgotten he had moved or not.}

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08 Jul 2013 23:34:28
hi eds, I see benteke has handed transfer request in, are we interested and what sort of fee do you think villa would want. I think he'd be a decent addition. ta {Ed001's Note - not a clue.}

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08 Jul 2013 23:29:14
Please stop all this benteke talk. He's another Andy Caroll type player, one good season - he would be a total flop and waste of £25m.

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He's completely different to Carroll. He has pace works hard and has quick feet

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So you haven't seen him play then I take it? He's miles better than Carroll.

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Miles better than Carroll, but is he better than Sturridge? For me, no.

I don't really quite understand why people dismiss Sturridge so quickly. 10 goals and 5 assists in 14 games? What more can anyone possibly expect?

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Obviously didn't see what he did to us at home last season

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He is better than carroll has good attitude and wants to get on in his carreer if he comes he will bring passion to win with him.

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No, no, no. Benteke no. Have you all not learnt from the Carroll saga. 25 mil on a player who has scored goals but all round play is dubious. His first touch for example is hardly the best. I mean the likes of Negredo, Gomez, David Villa are all going cheaper elsewhere. I don't care about age, sell on value etc.

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He actually looks like he owns his legs. that's a major improvement on AC if you ask me.

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09 Jul 2013 08:46:38
I completely agree RDL. STurridge is Immense:))

Malak

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08 Jul 2013 23:25:20
benteke just handed in a transfer request if suarez goes I reckon we might go for him

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08 Jul 2013 23:24:55
Hi Eds & Reds,

Just a thought. At a very basic level, it seems that a player handing in a transfer request shows they are actually thinking about their football rather than the money. If we use Benteke and Suarez as examples. Benteke has handed in a transfer request to go to a presumably more likely successful football club, while Suarez is trying to do the same and go to a currently more successful football club but has not handed in a TR in order to get his % of the fee.

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I would think if real bid for him and we refuse then he would hand in a request.

If its true what he's said about only leaving if real come in with a suitable bid then I'll bear no ill feeling towards him if he goes. If he ends up at bayern though I'll have a very different view. I think if he stays he needs to learn to keep quiet and his advisors need to manage situations like this better.

I don't think things are beyond repair and if he gets stuck in, keeps out of trouble and by miracle we get top 4 then I'm sure everyone will forgive him.

Apparently there is positive talks between LFC and suarez's reps so he's obviously not forcing a move as reported but we'll see.

Fester

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Not necessarily JTR. It could be as simple as the wage hike the player would be hoping to receive from another club far outweighs what he would lose out by handing in a transfer request. I'm not saying this is the case in Bentekes situation, but I'm pretty sure all options will have been looked at.

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08 Jul 2013 23:24:25
Benteke is going to arsenal.

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If they miss out on Higuain

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08 Jul 2013 23:12:18
Rumours of downing to west ham eds? Hope this is true. But man we need some players in.

Mythic greg

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Actually no. All we need is for Downing to leave. It doesn't matter whether we get a replacement or not.
If we get anything more than 10 million, we should take it. But if not, a jar of maple syrup would be fine.

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