Liverpool Banter Archive August 09 2014

09 Aug 2014 23:02:16
Anyone know when Flanno is due back playing?

09 Aug 2014 22:16:41
Hello eds is it ture we are trying to get a big money signing to replace suarez

{Ed002's Note - Read the posts Lee.}

09 Aug 2014 21:12:26
Ems
Wasnt it Stats thãt bought us.players such as Adam and downing?
We have moved on from them days kid.Lavezzi is a very good footballer.
Is he a goalscorer that will bang in 20 goals a season? No. Is hr worth 20million? No
But will I support him if he comes? Yes
The real debate is ems is there.is very few top strikers that are versatile available.
Ive been easy with my reply this time, maybe we can share views some day ;)

Don't call me kid please. Comolli bought us Downing and Adam. Not stats. I'm not saying stats are the be all and end all though am I. I'm just saying that the stats you persist with posting are wrong. I laugh at the fact 4 prople have currently disagreed with my post (well, apparently 4, but you're probably behind at least 2-3 of them) because you simply cannot disagree with facts. Lavezzi has 23 goals and 14 assists in the last two years. You can't disagree with that because it is a fact not an opinion.

Lavezzi is a link up forward who createsand scores goals. I would argue that being directly involved in 37 goals in 2 years does justify a £20m price tag, irrespective of 29, which let's be honest, is not excessively old! If you disagree, that is fine. You will struggle to find a CL proven forward with a measurable goal return anything close to that for less than £20m though. You seem to be judging him as if he's a striker. You simply cannot judge a player who picks the ball up in his own half, drives forward and creates attacks, and then occasionally finds himself involved in the finishing move for the goal, on his goalscoring alone.

I agreed with your last post regarding Bony. He is younger, cheaper and a very good player. I simply disagreed with your anti-Lavezzi propaganda.

Hopefully we will agree one day, for now though, have a nice evening.

Yes I agree EMS. Bony or Lavezzi would do for me. Finalise the Moreno deal and things all of a sudden look good. However, I just can't see the owners running with a £20 mill plus striker given what we've spent to date. Did we need both markovic and Lallana?

EMS, let's not try and alter history, King Kenny brought us those players.

{Ed001's Note - Downing was Commolli's choice, Adam was Dalglish's.}

Edd001 he did agree.to them.though mate. He is his own.man. Has it changedy opinion of a true great human.being? No. Dalglish will always be a legend

{Ed001's Note - if you say so. It is not about what he would agree to when it comes to Liverpool. He was brought in with the understanding that he would be working with signings chosen for him. Yes he did choose some, but some he didn't. Would he possibly have chosen those same players being given the option? Who knows. He certainly wasn't the best at signing players, he signed some shocking ones first time round, after losing the advice of Sir Bob that he had guiding him early on.}

Edd001, I did not know that mate. I believed all this time that.camolli would suggest him with potential signings and he had the final word, that they worked as a team but it.came down to.KK. To be fair he could have brought in anyone and u would have.gone with it and trusted him

{Ed001's Note - later it changed to the power going to Dalglish, but initially he was in a similar position to the ludicrous one at the club now. Rodgers is not picking all the players and so we are bringing in ones that we don't really need, while areas that need addressing are being left. This committee needs disbanding immediately, it is idiotic and FSG are making a huge mistake employing it. Decisions need to have one person making them, not a group, a benevolent dictatorship will get things done well, a committee just talks about a good game while getting nothing important sorted. I would like to point out that I am not convinced Rodgers is the right man to pick the players either.}

Edd001 this is eye opening for me, I assumed Rodgers chose all the players. Yes I agree with the Rodgers statement. Though we have.brought in quailty players( majority), we havnt yet addressed what ee really needed and are leaving ourselves with limited time.

{Ed001's Note - not all mate, not even close.}

Great insight edd001, hopefully the transfer committee does change. Flaws to it IMO. Il buy you a few pints some day edd when.im back in pool ;)

{Ed001's Note - would have to be pints of water or pots of tea for me mate!}

09 Aug 2014 19:56:03
We will get in a striker, some need to stop worrying. I would take bony over lavezzi all that long. Far younger, proven in the PL and knows where the net is. I would be disappointrd if we forked out 20million on a 29/30 year old who has scored 12 goals from 2012 to now. Everyone has their own preferences. But we all have to look at this window and look at top strikers available and likely. There is evidently very little

09 Aug 2014 20:33:06
I agree, Bony is proven and knows where the net is. He would really make a big difference.
But what worrying is, We haven't contacted Swansea. And haven't made any progress in the transfer.
I think we have dropped our interest from the player.

09 Aug 2014 20:50:04
Look mate, whilst I whole heartedly agree with you and would also prefer Bony, making up stats to suit your agenda is pitiful. So here are the real stats

2012/13
Ligue 1, 28 games, 3 goals, 7 assists
Champions league, 9 games, 5 goals, 0 assists
Coupe de France, 4 games, 3 goals, 0 assists

2013/14
Ligue 1, 32 games, 9 goals, 3 assists
Champions league, 10 games, 2 goals, 4 assists
Coupe de France, 1 game, 1 goal, 0 assists

Therefore his actual stats in the last 2 years in France are 23 goals and 14 assists. If you think that is bad from a winger I suggest you look up average statistics for top level wide players. If for nothing else, his Champions league experience would be vital to us. He has been directly involved in 11 goals in his last 19 Champions league games. By all means, dislike the player and have an opinion. But do everyone a favour and stop making things up. 12 league goals yes. 12 goals? No. Its hard to look good alongside Ibra. He's the most egotistical "pass it to me" player in modern football and his intimidating presence always causes his team mates to under perform which is why he can never stay in one place for too long. Nobody who he's ever played for likes him!

So yeah, I'm with you on the Bony thing, but stop bending the truth about Lavezzi and judging a creative player on his (incomplete) goal tally.

The fact that Origi has gone back on loan (I appreciate he has had to for the terms of the deal) is a bit of a thorn in our side.

I think we need another striker in our current squad; will we need one when Origi returns?

Then do we go for a left winger/striker? Bot if it will damage Ibe's chances.

Maybe we will buy Bony and then Lambert will be 4th choice the season after this.

It looks like Sturridge is fit (from the training pics at Anfield this week); so if he's fit we don't need to panic on buying a striker and there is still another 3 weeks of the transfer window open.

Hoola, that is a problem.
I really don't s many younsters getting meaningful gametime

It's a difficult one Big Al,

I'll try not to go into how is or should get a chance this year; however Ibe featured heavily in Pre-season so we can use him as an example.

I think we have too many similar players in one position and for this they cannot all play (Coutinho, Sterling, Lallana, Texira, Suso, Markovic, Ibe etc. ); people will say they can play in multiple positions but in reality comes your going to play your best team - I can't see some of the youngsters getting game time.

By the same token I remember when we would buy the youngsters; stick them in the reserves for 2 years then if they were good enough promote to the 1st team (Jamie Rednapp). Just the reserve league isn't as competitive or has enough games IMO now.

So do you send your youngsters on loan where the coaching isn't going to be of the same standard or hold onto them?

Bringing in more players makes sense and competition for places is healthy as long as everyone gets the same chance to play at the end of the week (which possibly hasn't happened with some of the signings - Alberto or Ilori).

Apologies to the OP sort of gone in a completely diff direction to the original post.

So to get back on track - I don't think Lavezzi is an option; I think we need an out and out goal scorer (with pace) IMO.

Agree with EMS over Ibra comment as well - Sterling started developing to the player he is today when he stopped passing all the time to Suarez and made some of his own decisions.

Hoola
I have stated previously.mate thãt I really don't see youngsters getting a real chance to break into.the first team especially if we have a rocky start to the season. You are correct. We do have a lot of no 10's. Though they can.play across the line( their best.postition is behind the striker imo. Texeira is a big talent and with lallana in( who I rate very highly) I don't see his gametime coming anytime soon.
We have a lot of attacking players but we have to be brutally honest. We have only one top finisher in.sturridge. i'm very confident BR will address this

Ems he was talking about the league for 12 goals in 2 seasons.
No 1 really gives a rats about cups.

As for making up stats, You've been guilty of it yourself with regards to Lukaku and Bony

Bobatron
I think everyone knew I was talking about league goals. Give the kid a break this time ;)

09 Aug 2014 19:08:37
Hi eds.
What's your take on the BBC' Tim Vickery stating he's been told Liverpool are close to signing a top striker but its not Falcao.

{Ed002's Note - I have no view on the matter. If he uses subjective terminology like "close" and "top", what do you expect me to say?}

When he says a big name striker, is that van hennigor of hesselink? Now that's a big name striker. I'm here all week!

Well as I see it could be between Reus, Falcao, Cavani and Lavezzi. Got a feeling it's Lavezzi though I may be wrong. Ed can you shine some light on the matter?

{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

Yeah, I saw that Tim Vickery quote too.

I really hope it's Reus who'll we'll be signing. That bloke has everything!

A bit of Suarez about him in regards to close ball control and change of direction or nutmegging players to find space for a shot on goal - and he seems to know where the net is too.

Imagine the nightmares opposition defenders would have the night before facing a front 3 of Sterling, Sturridge & Reus.

Let's hope he gets a good reception and doesn't get injured in tomorrow's friendly.

I think Vickery stated it was a south American player so it wouldn't be Rues.

Why don't you ask Tim who he's banging on about?
He's obviously doing a bit of self promoting.

09 Aug 2014 17:02:16
Liverpool look set to offload veteran defender Kolo Toure to Trabzonspor after reportedly agreeing a £1.5m fee with the Turkish side

10 Aug 2014 06:58:12
Hmm, it seems as though its the Metro reporting it. More inclined to believe Ed002 that that ship has sailed as she said in an earlier post.

09 Aug 2014 15:04:59
Do people not remember how awful we were before Rodgers came in?
Losing to Blackpool?
Playing boring football.
Remember the Chelsea game when we had to play Meireles up front?
We were in an absolute mess.
Rodgers has come in and we have seen nothing but progress.
We almost won the league last year!
We should have won the league last year!
Not even the most optimistic Liverpool fan would have predicted that.
Rodgers is amazing.
He knows what he is doing.
We have an unbelievably young, talented and strong squad.

We coped without Suarez.
We would have had to cope without him again this season.
Thank God we got that much for him before he gets a year or life ban.

With sterling, Lallana, Coutinho and Markovic playing behind Sturridge we are going to destroy teams.
There is no team that can deal with that pace.

I cannot wait for this new season.
We are going to be challenging for the League and the Champions League.

With so much optimism Fidby you must know of an incoming 20 goal plus a season striker coming in.

09 Aug 2014 16:21:20
Agree, Rodgers has worked wonders. Thing is I guess he is now under pressure to deliver after both the 2nd place and the £100m spending this window.

I hope the FSG guys are more realistic then most fans and the media. They seem to be, seems to be a case of further ahead then expected.

I always want to win the league of course and believe we can. But, Top 4 again, strong challenge and a good run in the cups, maybe latter stages of CL for me would still be a great season, would still be progression and I'd still like to have BR in place to continue.

Main thing is that times are feeling positive, we're so much more in a better place on field, looks like Stadium situation is coming along as well. Football is enjoyable & exciting.

Only concern comes from Ed002. She voices a concern on our finances and debt. I appreciate what the Eds do on here and believe the knowledge they share, so I take this on board. Without this, things would be approaching perfect.

He could be going upon the evidence gathered from last season rather than a possible good striker.

I am with you Flidby.

The negativity is astonishing.

To put it into context, in Kenny's full season in charge, we had no European football and finished 8th, after spending over £100 million net that summer.

Last season Rogers had no European football and we finished 2nd, after spending approximatley £30 million in the summer.

What do people want!
Some perspective please.

Ozone what makes you think we won't bring a striker in surely the fact we went for remy proves were looking at a striker hardly brendan/ayre/fsg fault that he failed a medical although it fits your anti fsg agenda i'd be amazed if we didn't sign another striker borini is more than likely to leave for what its worth a south american pundit tim vickery reckons were after a big name he doesn't say who and he could be chatting nonsense I reckon we will get another striker in have faith you may be suprised but I know you have no faith in fsg for what ever reason but your consistent if nothing else

Chill. Why is everyone so up in arms about Ozones opinions? Re read his posts for the first two thirds of last season. Ozone, I wish you as much luck with your 'facts' as you had last season. Keep it up son.

Giblet, I've heard ducks eat in long grass before. We apparently lined up Mickey, willian, Salah, Costa, Kono, sanchez etc etc., nothing comes of it. We won't pay the wages. It's punts in and around £10 mill unless Brendan raises the fee through sales. Sanchez was last chance saloon for a player to remotely replace the quality of Suarez. There's nothing else out there.

The mills and boom clan are out in force. Happy days.

We actually played dynamic football before Rodgers but only weren't clinical enough.

Jay91, your missing 1 bit of information we actually won. . yes won the league cup under dalglish or did you forget that, you can play all the pretty football you want under rodger's but if there's no end product what's the point. . and i mean winning something, isn't that what success is all about. . .rodger's is only interested in his philosphy. .

Success in modern day football is top 4 over any domestic cup. Unfortunately!

Successes of last season were Hendo, Suarez, Sterling, Flanagan all given debuts by the King. We witnessed a record for hitting the woodwork in Kenny's season, and the man of the match formost of our home games was the oppositions goalkeeper. And though you don't get points for that.It does show that we didn't play that badly under Kenny. My post is not criticizing our manager now. It's just defending our last manager and the trophy and trips to wembley he gave us.

09 Aug 2014 19:57:58
The Irish Rover

How about the PL title. You get two in one.

Rodgers is the best most intelligent bravest cutting edge young manager around period.

09 Aug 2014 20:01:50
BR got the best out of Sterling, Hendo, Suarez and Sturridge last season. And for that Hatss off to him.
But I wouldn't hand him 100 mill to spend on players. He is still pretty raw in Transfer market.
As Ed01 said the other day
The 3 most important position to be filled after last season were. LB. GK. A player for Suarez. Unfortunately none has been filled.

Fa CUP, League CUP!

I think it's more the transfer committee spending 100m not just Rodgers Harry.
A left back and striker will come in soon.

THE IRISH ROVER, so what your saying in modern football if LFC never win another trophy in the next 25 years but finish in the 4th, 3rd, or 2nd, your saying that that's success. . . how the standards of this great club have dropped. . . if we can't aim for 1st after finishing 2nd last year then we may as well give up.

Wembley 78

The League cup isn't even worth mentioning.

Yes we won, and it was a great day but it was one day in the context of an awful season, losing at home to Wigan and Fulham to name a few.

Are you seriously saying 8th place and a Carling Cup is better than 2nd and no cup?

JAY91, it depends what your standards are, you seem to be diluting your's. no matter what way you look at it is there in LFC history books, we actually WON something. . 2nd is nowhere remember. .

Liverpool is surely in business to win trophies so I would take normally take 8th and a cup over say 4th and no cups.
The problem is the champions league.
I personally think that teams who have won the European cup in the past would not have to qualify for it.
Like the masters in golf. once you have won it then your in the hat forever.

Im didn't say we shouldn't aim for 1st in the league. What i'm saying is that a top 4 spot and playing in the CL is more important than a Cup in modern day football. We would be a laughing stock (as we have been) if we continue to finish outside the top 4, even with a trophy.

09 Aug 2014 14:21:28
Rumours flying about regarding Icardi from Inter

any legs on this? He looks a decent player to be fair.

{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

Let me guess. Another Aspas/ Borini type punt by any chance?

09 Aug 2014 11:33:51
hi

ed/s

whats the fantasy football code thanks
have a fab weekend

{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

The code is781641 - 191102

09 Aug 2014 11:09:00
Andre Yedelin for less than £3 millions? the bargain of the summer. If he wouldn't play in the US - which the whole world think don't know anything about football, he would have cost 5 times as much. Appernatly we were after him and gave up so totenham take it. Why did we give up? for this price even if it runs up he is not good enough you didn't lose much - and if he is playing like he played in the World cup you are laughing all day long. His style is a bit like Glen Johnson but I think he is stronger and quicker very much suitable for the pace of the PL, maybe less for other European leagues. Remember what I tell you, in 12 months no one will believe he was bought for this price.

Just maybe we gave up as we have flanno kelly and recently signed manquillo and johnson and wisdom out on loan I know strength in deph is important but I don't think we need 6 right backs and he did have a good world cup i'd like to see how he gets on for spurs but we didn't need him and we can't sign every player available

People talking about Yedlin have prob NEVER seen him play consistently so not bothered. I saw him play and he has pace to burn and. . That`s about it. As a fullback, pace is NOT everything. You need good positioning, awareness, passing and crossing ability as well as the ability to smell danger and come across to deal w/ it. As the boy is very young, he`s not ready yet.

09 Aug 2014 10:25:21
According to ssn Italy, Lazio has rejected Liverpool's opening bid and have responded by demanding €30 million for the goal-scorer.

Who for?

No player involved. Its just a bid, a token gesture. Madness!

09 Aug 2014 12:01:38
Anyone that scores goals in their team we have that much money to blow we don't care who the player is anymore. .

The boy Kieta I think.

It's not madness. It's genius.

If you pay 30 million and you don't know who for - what message does it send?

That our coaching staff is so confident in their ability it doesn't matter who they buy. This will intimidate our rivals.

Alexis who?

That's a lot of money.
It's got to be Nedved.

Candreva I think. Good player
Not worth $30m

09 Aug 2014 09:31:42
Markovic back to training next week

09 Aug 2014 09:04:34
Hi guys,

Does anyone know a good streaming site, which you can pay for?

I prefer these as you don't get the pop ups and interuptions.

The last one, ch1 streaming has been taken down. Any help is appreciated.

Regards

Crooky

09 Aug 2014 09:40:54
You could pay LFC a fiver a month for access to Liverpool TV rather than giving someone else your hard earned money - it's good for pre-season matches and you can watch proper match highlights and the full game a day later (if you can stand to wait!)

Hope this helps

Wiziwig is good live streaming website, it gives you several choices of channel with varying quality; but there is usually a few that work well.
Good Luck
BVB game live on BT Sports1 tomorrow!

Tomorrows game is also live on FoxSports for anyone in Australia.

09 Aug 2014 20:41:03
I don't know how it is where you are, but I stream all the games on nbcsports for free in America. All I have to do is have that channel on my home system and I can stream it. It's hd and with decent internet is the way to do.

09 Aug 2014 08:37:54
Can we get a poll going on lovren signing v Vermaelen signing for Barça. people saying we overspend but you have to compare what's happening in the world at the moment and if a Vermaelen who can't get a game ahead of koscielney and mertesacker is worth 15 mill then loveren is certainly worth 20 (reported fees) and I'd say wages etc would be similar.

Another note I'd like to bring up is player for player as things stand I feel we are stronger than Manchester United and arsenal my opinion again and obviously different systems but I think you would put more of our players in a combined team than either of the two mentioned!

Just a little optimistic post ahead of the season and I can't wait to see what happens now this season!

{Ed001's Note - I think the signing of Mathieu has shown Barca have no idea what they are doing in their transfers. I would prefer not to be compared to them. They sold Sanchez for almost the same amount they paid for Mathieu!}

Anyone who thinks Lovren is overpriced at £20m is a fool. Without doubt one of the best CD in the League last season, and I'd be saying that if he'd signed for Utd. Vermaelen for £15m is incredible! When was the last time Vermaelen played 10 games consecutively? Always out injured. The fact that he can't get a game ahead of Mertsaker or Koscielney speaks volumes too.
I can't understand why Barca don't try and sort out their defence properly rather than improving an already deadly attack. The fact that Mascherano has played CD for them on numerous occasions, the signing of Mathieu (a very average CD, who is 30) for £15.8m and that they are signing Vermaelen for £15m is berwildering! They could have gone out and used that money to sign Hummels! I know I'd rather have 1 Hummels than a Mathieu and Vermaelen!
For anyone still unsure whether Lovren is worth £20m just consider this, David Luis, £40m or was it £50m! Point made!
And to be honest, who cares if Lovren cost £20m, be glad we have the money to make this kind of signing, it could so easily have been a different story had H&G got their way!

09 Aug 2014 09:40:11
Ed01, Who do you predict to win the La liga? It would be quiet a task to keep Messi without a trophy for 2 years.

{Ed001's Note - I disagree, Real Madrid are light years ahead of Barca right now, they should win the league quite easily. Though they will no doubt make heavy weather of it due to having so many personalities to keep in check.}

09 Aug 2014 09:47:14
Lovern is the Best signing of the season along with Lallana. But without a Strong DM, Our Back 4 would struggle. Now that's a fact. Lovern had 2 holding players at Southampton in front. He wouldn't have that luxury here.
The main reason Chelsea kept more clean sheets was the presence of Matic.

Ya I agree wit ye. Lovren was a snip at £20m. £30m being paid across Europe for top centre backs nowadays.

Macherano always did think he was a DJ playing CD's

Yeah true that ed but Manchester United were supposedly going to pay something similar for vermaelen although point taken barca do have no sense with transfers. Ah well I still think we are player for player stronger than United and arsenal

Edd001, matheui cost something.close to 16 million. Sanchez went for double that did.he not?

{Ed001's Note - I was meaning in terms of the length of contract per price, as Mathieu was in his final year and is 30 years old, plus extremely average. While Sanchez was young, had a few years left in his contract and is much better. Sorry I should have mentioned that. But it was 18m they paid.}

Edd001, no your correct though in your assessment. You say Sanchez is much better, I don't really know if you can compare.them as there completely different positions but for price and what quailty you get for your money your spot on.

I don`t get that Mathieu signing either, Ed. I`ve known him since his days at Toulouse and he is average at best. A true head-scratcher.

09 Aug 2014 07:28:35
Morning all, so with Forster looking to arrive at a prem club sometime soon Soton seem the most likely destination and we r not interested. I'm surprised there has been no rumours over this position. Naturally on here it's all 'marque' striker BS but I've seen nothing in the press either about this position.
The keeper who I feel we should peruse is bergovic but after checking the search engine the last reference to him moving said it would happen this summer but again no lfc interest. I would have thought if we were in for a back up keep vorm would have been the obvious choice as BR knew him well so are we to think that another keeper isn't on the radar n migs is going to be given another season to prove he is able to step up (or step off his line!). I like migs but think he needs competition. Maybe now reina has gone an diff the wage bill we will b back in for a keep?

{Ed001's Note - Forster is a flapper with no command of his area, we weren't in for him because of that. I keep saying we have a new keeper on our list, but Begovic is out because he doesn't want to move, though he is the one Rodgers wants. If only the committee would stop messing about and sort out a left back, that was our number one priority before Smith went out on loan, yet we still don't have one, then we can think about a new keeper.}

Ed, do you think we would look for a keeper as backup to Migs or to be first choice?

If we are looking for a first choice keeper would that mean the end for Migs or Jones?

Final question, aren't Mignolet's wages very high for a backup keeper should that be the case?

For me, Begovic would be the perfect choice. I can't understand why he'd be so content at Stoke when he has the ability to do well for a top club.

Red Rum

{Ed001's Note - Migs has not fully convinced and it would be a keeper to push/replace him, depending on how he responds.}

09 Aug 2014 09:48:45
Ed01, Whose your pick?. I was gutted to seem Vorm going to spurs for just 4 mill.

{Ed001's Note - Begovic all day long.}

09 Aug 2014 10:39:29
Ed01. Dead spot on. But we are late, Should have had him last year. he would be costly now and its foolishness (Economically ) to buy Begovic and keep Mignolet.

Begovic has been my preference for a few years now. Why does he not want to come? I always felt that he would go to Arsenal, with their perennial CL qualification and goalkeeper problems. Now we have CL, I thought it would have been worth asking again. Is this one for summer if we back last season up with another positive campaign?

{Ed001's Note - his wife likes it where they are.}

If that's the case ed, he needs to grow some balls. I wouldn't let my missus have that much say. She knows whos boss.

Don't tell her I said that though ;)

Red Rum

Ed r u saying that the committee can only manage 1 negotiation at a time?! Jeez I thought that male stereotype was not true but it seems at LFC it is the case! Let's get Moreno done, then striker then keeper if there is still time in the window. Hope we don't panic buy!

09 Aug 2014 06:41:28
Just wanted to express a few opinions, maybe even concerns. I admire the owners for the amount of money they have invested, it really shows that they are committed to getting our club back to where we should have been the past few years, I feel optimistic for the start of a new season for the first time in 4 years. But if i'm honest I am concerned about how the money is being spent. don't get me wrong, I believe that the players we have bought were needed ie. Lovren to plug the leaks, Markovic pacey winger ect. But we have paid through the nose for these players, players I believe yes add quality to the team, but at such an inflated price, I worry we are making the same mistakes as we have made in the past. And now these rumours (granted it may be c**p) about Lavezezzi, Falcao, Cavani, mercenaries who are imo no more talented than the players with hunger coming through the ranks, I worry we could easily slip back to where we were 2 years ago. It frustrates me when people go after someone like Bertrand (as an example) saying he is not good enough, we should be aiming higher and going for Moreno, who the majority of Liverpool fans have never seen play, just because he is Spanish and someone has decided he is worth 20 mil, no i'm afraid I have to disagree, just because Chelsea don't want him does not mean he is not top class. I lose patience with some fans calling for Falcao, at his price, wages and over hyped ability he would damage the club more than improve it, and to be honest he would have no more love for the club than Suarez did. GET A GRIP LADS and ladies, Fowler came from the ranks, Carragher came from the Ranks and so did, what's his name, emmmm Stevie something? It will come to me soon i'm sure!

Whilst I agree somewhat with you there are certain things I do not agree with.

I agree being linked with Falco, Cavani etc. isn't going to happen; tbh do we actually think the club linked themselves or was it twitter?

I rate Ibe but he is not the finished article as yet and you can't say he is as talented as some of the players you've listed and therefore we should fill the team with kids over experience.

Ibe may one day surpass their achievements but you can't rule out experienced players.

Which then comes to the supporters /manager etc. You've just become Liverpool manager and tasked with getting into the CL each season and competing for the title - you are going to buy players (regardless of whether they appeared overpriced) as you want to give yourself the best chance to do so.

Furthermore - within two weeks of the transfer window being open (approx) we have two players as good as signed and people were "worried" that we hadn't completed more business and people wanting a marque signing - using an up and coming player to fill that role will not placate the fans expectations.

If we win the league on come a close 2nd this season will people still consider those players bought as over priced?

So we should be signing Bertrand, not Moreno in your opinion, yet you say you feel we're making the same mistakes as last season? The mistakes we made was not paying up for quality and having to settle for the likes of Moses and Aspas instead of Willian and Costa. Bertrand couldn't even cut it at Villa and the fact that they even opted to go for Cissokho instead of going back for him says it all really -Now we're actually willing to pay up for quality players, people still moan. there's no pleasing you lot. The clubs shows ambition to try and get world class players, you complain that they are all mecenaries and overpriced? So what? Suarez was a mercenary but I'll have him back here any time. Really can't win with some fans honestly.
Plus we DO still have talent coming through from the academy though given our position now and the level we're playing at, its going to be a lot harder for them to break through.They have to be quality. Its not just a matter of oh, he's from the academy, play him. If they're as good as Sterling they'll get their chance. Simple.

09 Aug 2014 09:55:09
Red Till am Dead

You post looks pretty honest. But Lavezezzi, Falcao, Cavani, mercenaries?. How are these players Mercenaries. They are at a club where they are paid huge salary. Y would they take a pay cut?
So all those who getting paid are Mercenaries?

09 Aug 2014 09:57:34
So how many players from the academy are playing for UTD, CITY, and Chelsea?

09 Aug 2014 06:08:03
Gents,

I for one would be not surprised and not at all displeased with Raheem Sterling stepping up and leading the line when required, after all it didn't turn out too bad for a certain Terry Henry did it? And they have very similar attributes. Yes he is still raw but so was Terry when he made the transition That would leave space for young Jordan Ibe to step up and develop ala Sterling last season.

Any Thoughts?

Wouldn't mind seeing this experimented in an early round of a cup, however, if BR was contemplating it why no sign of it pre-season? Unless he is already sure Raheem can do the job and is keeping the element of surprise should we need it at some point this season.

He played up front with Suarez on a couple of occasions last season and did well, but yes it would be interesting to see how he does leading the line on his own.

Red Rum

Given how much his strength, hold-up play, awareness and composure have improved in the last year I would love to see Sterling given the Suarez role, I think he is more than capable, as well as playing as the lone strike if Sturridge is out.
Perhaps this is BR plan all along and hence why no direct replacement for Suarez has been signed but a replacement for Sterling (playing wide) has been made in Markovic and with Ibe being given more game time pre-season?

09 Aug 2014 10:47:23
Good point scarface.

09 Aug 2014 01:05:58
I am really pleased with our signings to date. Obviously we need a striker but we are not going to replace Suarez so we need to trust BR to find the best fit within our system.
I think we are covered in midfield. I like our mix of players and although we may lose a couple we have a better squad than people give credit. Emre Can and Lallana are enormous signings.
Defensively we have problems but we are in the process of resolving. Lovren is a great signing. A natural leader and may well end up captain. I rate Enrique as he is typical of the modern game. Full backs are nowadays wing backs. His agility allows him to cover his defensive weaknesses. Johnson is similar but he lacks that recovery process. I think Glen is under rated and some criticism is unwarranted but his age is against him. I expect him to go QPR.
I prefer Agger to Skirtel but I think either could go. Whilst Sakho looks clumsy he is decent and under rated.
Mignolet worries me. He isn't comfortable on the ball but he is a great stop stopper. He and Lovren need to get a grip defensively early doors.
So on the back of all that I think BR has been sensible on transfers. Nobody gets it right every time but I am happy with what we have to date.
I am slightly concerned about our forward options mainly due to Sturidge being likely to make just 66% of games.
Defensively we clearly have tightened up and if we can get Moreno or similar we are covered in all positions other than an out an out forward.
Very encouraging.

09 Aug 2014 00:02:23
sorry if I change the subject but does anyone think that having sturridge, sterling, lallana, lambert, henderson playing together will make the England team better? i'm thinking of the spain team with a lot of barca players init and the Germany team with munchen players

09 Aug 2014 00:56:08
Unfortunately the players on their own aren't good enough, the quality of manager and general attitude must be changed and drastically improved.

09 Aug 2014 01:14:20
maybe the attitude might improve when they are playing with their league team mates that was my thought ,but manager I really don't know! we need someone who bleeds England and I just can't think of anyone who would stand there like the rest of us and belt out god save the queen

You forgot to add 'miracle' great player I hear and a real game changer!

Nothing will change so long as Roy is the manager. Even if Sturridge, Lallana, Sterling, Henderson scores 60 goals this season playing fantastic football it will not happen for England because Roy will simply put Sturridge as a winger and Welbeck as the striker.

09 Aug 2014 08:52:18
Well FORNAX you need to add more sugar on your diet!!

England need to develop some sort of playing style and bring through their youngsters. A manager similar to Rodgers would be good.

God save the queen shouldn't be sung at football matches. It's stupid we should get a decent song like the Welsh & Scottish. Land of hope & glory?

09 Aug 2014 10:56:09
You should first need a top class manager who knows what's happening. Roy has got no clue.

09 Aug 2014 18:15:58
The doctor has prescribed the opposite, Po0l007.

08 Aug 2014 21:02:00
Hi eds not posted for a while however I remember a while back we where linked with jovetic, now markovic and jovetic have been all over twitter after a picture of them playing pes, they share an agent so guessing they are friends through that,

my question is would there be a possibility of us signing him I have always liked him and seems to be 2nd or 3rd choice at city and I think he would be a very good player for us if it happened

thanks

mcarroll92

{Ed002's Note - My concern is with the other eight or nine strikers Liverpool have arriving this weekend, how would he fit in?}

We will just play a keeper and ten "marquee "strikers ed