Liverpool Banter Archive October 08 2012
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08 Oct 2012 21:49:16
Hey Ed's! Some papers here in Sweden states that Liverpool have been looking at Andreas Granqvist, the defender in Genoa, as a way of strenghtening the defence. Any comments?
At 27 might be a bit older than FSGs preferred age on a player but would be cheap. AC Milan are reportedly keen on him as well. Have played in England before. Think he was in Wigan back in 2007.
08 Oct 2012 21:23:08
Eds: Am being told by a couple of Palace regulars that Wilfred Zaha has come on leaps and bounds and is a far better player than Victor Moses was when he was there and actually the best player they have had at the club since Ian Wright.....At 18 and able to play central or wide he could fit our recruitment strategy and also play in BR's system? Do you know if we have looked at him? Do you think we should be looking at him in January or in the summer. {Ed002's Note - For me no. Second tier.}
08 Oct 2012 21:17:25
Bring back Kenny, he'll sort this mess out.
AJH
It was Kenny and his wasting £millions on rubbish, that got us into this mess.
What mess? playing nice footy with the youngsters on the field? i'm sure kenny, legend that he always will be, could sort that out, maybe put stewie d back in the team, carra and buy us more proper english talent.
why is everything rodgers fault anyways? we play neat football and are just short of a finisher. is it his fault? i don't think so.
leni
08 Oct 2012 22:46:03
People are forgetting that camolli was responsible as he was brought by so called FSG to Negiotate deals not Kenny
Why do we need to bring back anyone? We are 7 games in and generally playing well. A few individual errors causing us goals against and not prolific up front on a consistent basis but out playing most opposition so far. Chill Winston.
Andy K
If Kenny had never listened to Commolli things could have worked out so much better
cozinoz
What LFC needs are Real supporters who back and support their team, as it progressively seeks to improve its play and fortunes, not whiners or those that pretend to be supporters those that cherish and support when the results are positive. Real supporters stand with the team, particularly now when everything is improving except results and officiating which we cannot control.
Its fsg fault , for not buying the two strikers that br wanted in transfer window ,
support br , support lfc ,
dont support fsg
lets get new owners
fsg out !!
08 Oct 2012 21:10:58
really think BR is takin us in right direction with type of football he wants to play and giving youth its chance ,most posters new we would struggle when we failed to get a striker and so it has proven but stoke always caused us trouble last 3/4 seasons and taught we played well pity about doom and gloom if 1 of the chances had slipped in it would be raved about as a savage result .We take 3 points at home to reading and its 7 from 9 so lets start to see the glass as more half full .RED2TOE
Anybody who uses a hashtag outside of twitter barely deserves oxygen... {Ed002's Note - WonderDogSparky change that paradigm.}
Same can be said for anyone who uses Twitter {Ed001's Note - I feel like someone was reading my rant on the editor's widget about hashtags and twitter. I hate them both. I keep trying to give twatter another chance, but it just feels like IQ are sloughing away by the second reading the dross on there!}
I noticed he hasnt tweeted for a while, whats happened to him?
huddz red
08 Oct 2012 20:48:10
I for one love Rodgers and in time will deliver,but a concern I have is do the players think he turn it around.i would love to see a striker arrive in jan but can't see it.i would ave welcome d a pun in Dempsey or if the owners are true to their word and money is there why did we not buy sturridge or Johnson.we will not sign ba
08 Oct 2012 20:16:19
The fact that during the second half the silence was deafening, is of great concern
Reds
08 Oct 2012 20:13:02
I always wonder now where we would be if BR had the money to spend that Kenny did.
I think Allen is a fantastic player and a great signing (had my doubts when we paid 15 million but credit where it is due).
I also think Borini will come good but he has been thrown in at the deep end starting every league game until he was injured. Really believe he just needs time and a lucky break in some games.
Also, Assaidi looks a great signing for around 3 million (I think?).
I think Rodgers will sign great, technically gifted players in the future for the right price as well which is important.
He pulled out of the Sigurdson deal because he believed he was paying overthe odds if he went through with it which is how a football club should be run, same as every other business.
What I know for sure is that he wont buy an equivelant of Downing for 20 million or Henderson for 16.
He seems to me, the type of manager who, had he been here last summer, would have pushed for Mata instead of Downing and Aguero/ Llorente instead of Carroll.
Jay
He bought Borini for 11m- is that not bad enough?
He would buy players like williams
Net spend for Rodgers : about 20 million
Net spend for Kenny in his first window : 0
People need to THINK before they slag off Kenny.
Delusion? Mata, Llorente and Aguero not wanting to play for Liverpool is the reason Downing was signed
Do not forget that Borini is only 21 and an Italian international player with massive potential. His off the ball movement is quite good and he gets into the right places. He will come good.
Firstly, Kenny's first transfer window was January, not the summer. He hardly went through the same overhaul in January that he did in the summer, and Rodgers did this summer. Fairly sure Kenny's net spend was well over 20 million then!
Secondly, the post was more about how well/wisely Rodgers spent the money, not the amount - 15 million for allen = better value than Kenny ever got! Rodgers/Liverpool won't be held to ransom on players -it's just a shame that Ayre was a bit too stingy with Dempsey!
JammyRed
09 Oct 2012 11:27:20
Net spend in his second window, £100 million. It's Kenny and comolli's fault we wasted all that money on rubbish players! Not slagging off, just stating the truth. Get over it!
08 Oct 2012 20:11:39
Listen all those calling for the managers head,need to get a grip.Fsg left the manager high and dry in the summer when they allowed carroll to leave and then refused to sign a replacement.They've made the manager look like a fool,hence why there staying quiet.We have owners who cant afford to take the club forward.
08 Oct 2012 20:08:44
In my opinion we don't have enough experience in the team. We have the likes of reina agger gerrard etc. but wheres our dirk an maxi type players, energetic powerful presence. For me this light weight quick tikka taka football does not work in the premier league! You don't get time on the ball you just get kicked the rubbish out of! We need to be stronger. We are missing aggression if you ask me. Getting pushed over by rubbishe teams. I just hope we don't sign more youngsters in January an go an sign 3 big lads who love a tackle and put themselves about! If big Andy goes I will be frustrated like. {Ed001's Note - do you know anything about footie whatsoever? Quick passing lightweight football is top of the league! This is embarrassing, can't you try watching some football before making ludicrous comments please?}
Stupid post - the best teams in Europe play this style and usually beat British clubs
Yeah, I want to play like Stoke. Lets get Tony Pulis in, we need no nonsense football. Non of this passing the ball about, fancy tippy tappy stuff. Get it launched into the mixer. Hooooof.
Whoever that last post was you should name yourself, funniest post Ive read all day.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 19:54:04
I think it's time we gave yesil another chance,as he is a natural finisher.Also i'd like to see Krisztian Adorjan and michael ngoo be brought in to the first team squad.Players like cole and downing dont deserve there places on the bench,so why not give these very talented and hungry kids a chance to show what they can do.
I don't think Ngoo is good enough - too much fuss and little end product
08 Oct 2012 19:44:43
Would love to see Assaidi start today and suso on the right flank or in the CM with Allen and Nuri, Maybe bringing Sterling on half time, good luck boys! Leem
08 Oct 2012 19:44:21
What truly amazes me about this site is that after last week everyone was upbeat, positive and there was a general sense of optimism. This weeks frankly it feels like the world is going to end.
What do fans calling for BR's head honestly want to happen? I honestly couldn't think of anything worse than sacking another manager, then hiring another one who once again isn't given sufficient time and resources (not saying BR hasn't had support, but needed more) to see it through.
Would your dream manager really join a team that's sacked three managers in three years? Would they join a team not in te champions league and take over a squad that has great potential, that's a long term benefit. I highly doubt if you looked at the talented young managers of the world Guardiola, Klopp etc that they'd take it on, with fans like ours (on this site anyway) and the UK media, F.A etc would you really bother?
BR is the man for the long term project, but he like the players in our team needs to adapt. You should try to look at him with the same view of a player coming from abroad and trying to settle. You'll see moments of brilliance and madness in the same game. Personally Reina passing the ball out short everytime when our confidence is short is madness. But having the balls to play an 18 and 17 year old on the wing is brilliance in my eyes. It takes gutts to join LFC, to want to achieve great things with our club, which has frankly been in decline for a number of years.
Fans had written off Pardew at Newcastle when he first joined and look now, they love him and the owner grants a 8 year contract. Yes 8 years is lunacy, but you didn't hear there fans going quiet when 2 or even 3 down to United. That's real support for the club, players and manager. We need that right now, not just a bunch of throwaway fans who spit their dummies out of the pram when we're struggling. I don't know why as fans it's so hard to support the team through the good times and bad, surely that's what being a supporter is all about?
Papa G
Agree with you there Mr G.
Nevada
Excellent post Papa G. Agree with everything you have to say.
The real AG
08 Oct 2012 19:44:15
Stoke kicking lumps into our boys, would have love to seen Carrol run Huth into the grass, liverpool are getting into the game though with some slick passing once again taking control of Stokes Rugby team. Leem
08 Oct 2012 19:40:57
You make me laugh. Saw this below somewhere.
'If you want instant success go follow Chelsea or City'
Who wouldn't want instant success?? Just because you want it doesn't make you a bad fan!?
We've waited since 1905, the year we were formed, to have success like we're having now. Do we care that it is down to Roman buying us? Hell no. It doesn't bother us one Iota. He has grew to love the club and is one of the longest serving owners in the Premiership, he's a Chelsea fan now and so is his son, he's going nowhere and we love it. Chelsea have not had instant success, we basically struggled for years and then won the lottery, not with the money we got, but with the owner we got. Roman is fantastic and we love him. Roman was the one who got instant success when he bought us and when he put Jose in charge, since then we haven't looked back. He only knows Chelsea at the top, so he isn't gonna let that change, its great. There isn't one Liverpool fan who would complain if you were taken over by some rich oligarch and went out and bought Lionel Messi and won the League, you'd be ecstatic. Afterwards you might take a step back and think to yourself when will it all end, we did that, but 10 years later and he's still here and isn't going anywhere. You would love that to happen to you, anyone would. Doesn't make you a 'plastic' fan for liking it. Quite frankly, if you didn't like it then you'd be a moaning old fart who shouldn't follow football if you can't enjoy your teams success.
If i'm wrong and you'd rather wait 10 years to maybe win the league, rather than win it next season with say Mourinho in charge then fair enough. But we all know you'd be lying. Stop hating on Chelsea and City because we've got what you haven't at the moment. It reeks of jealousy and bitterness.
OsgoodIsKing {Ed001's Note - not true, I would complain and be gutted. We aren't a little team with few fans, we have the fanbase to not need Russian mafia money to buy success thanks.}
Spot on ed. I t would go against what our club is about.
So who did you support, Osgood, before Roman took over?
The Russian Peoples Oil Money,
Which Yeltsin gave to the People knowing
They'd sell their shares to buy a bread loaf.
To be then bought by Boris's friends.
ie- Mr Abramovich and Co.
Not great business men of any sort
Just con artist.
I dont begrudge Chelsea or City their success through wealthy owners. Good luck to them. That is howeve not how I want my club to be though. The direction we are heading of being a self sustaining, develop from within club, similar in model to Dortmund, Arsenal or Barca, playing a great brand of football, is what I believe in and what is best for the game as a whole. Dortmund, Arsenal and Barca are just a lot further down this path than we are at this point but you can see how it should work. Red for life, not just when we win.
Andy K {Ed001's Note - as I see it, teams with smaller fanbases get a sugar daddy to make up for that and even the playing field. That's a good thing. But a team with a large fanbase should not need that help, they just need to make the most of it.}
I think most people are resentful towards Chelsea and City not jealous. Cups and leagues used to won on merit based on hard work, good training and club structure among other things. Success was the product of time and endeavour.
Now a billionaire comes in, buys Europe's best players and instantly start winning trophies. Personally, I think it has ruined football to some degree as there is no longer a level playing field for most clubs and success doesn't reflect anything other than financial clout.
If Dagenham & Redbridge were to be taken over and bank-rolled by a Sheik tomorrow, they could win domestic cups next year and European trophies not long after. Whether this would make them a great club with a glorious history is open to debate. This is how a lot of people view Chelsea and Man C. Ultimately, it comes down to whether you value the process and endeavour it took to arrive at winning cups.......or whether you you are happy to claim you are the best because some billionaire has decided to pick your club to use for tax offsets.
Chelsea and man C have done well only because Abramovich and Mansour are successful. Not the other way around.
For me, these two clubs will always be the Paris Hiltons of football who have achieved success through fortune and charity, not hard work and merit.
cozinoz
Nice post, if chelsea and man city are buying titles why do we habe to worry, let them do what they wanna do, there club is gonna be in mess not ours, we should support our own team and only make polite banter to others rather then rebuking other clubs fan, guys grow up
redh0t
08 Oct 2012 19:37:46
Some of you fans are pathetic and an embarrassment to the club. All this sack br and fsg nonsense is ridiculous. You clearly aren't proper Liverpool supporters. Like shanks said, "if you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."
I agree with this. Some of you so called fans are pathetic.
Jm
08 Oct 2012 19:34:55
why on this page is eveything so negative about the game and rodgers?
we played really well just stoke where playin dirty as per... but that aint an excuse!
Its the same old story we lack a proven goalscorer and have since torres left he was never replaced?
Rodgers is a fantastic manager and will improve and prove a point over time. Just like the players will fall into place playing tiki taki football everything needs time.
You think bill shankly was just given a season to turn liverpools fortunes round NO!!
We may have the best fans in the world but we really lack patience. Get of brendans back and let him do his job.
ACHILLES.
08 Oct 2012 19:26:46
question to all you Liverpool fans-
how can you not hate Suarez?
this isn't about his recent diving or any other in particular and i'm not here to instigate a rant.
as a football fan, i just see this guy as a massive disappointment to be representing the sport at the highest level.
i wasn't a fan when he was at Ajax, wasn't a fan when he talked himself up about the handball against Ghana, wasn't a fan when Liverpool (on of the few clubs i respect) decided to shell out 20+ million for him and i am not a fan now.
you can argue he's treated unfairly or his reputation precedes him, but the guy is a joke, specially playing for one of the clubs of the highest order.
the kind of support you fans show towards him surprises me. sure, he's a 'Pool player and you need to get behind him, but you can't objectively say he deserves that support.
just a thought born out of curiosity. nothing more, nothing less.
psychocyst.
Oh no, psychocyst doesn't like Suarez. Well that's it then, I refuse to support Luis now. I don't want to upset the delicate little flower psychocyst anymore. Can we all stop upsetting him please.
Psychocyst,
Do you watch him every week and see the amount of work he puts in, the chasing he does, the balls he wins? On top of that, he is a constant danger to opposition, jinking in and out, he has scored 5 from 7 in the league so far and that is with much room for improvement in regards to his conversion rate. I can see how you see him as the bad guy and I dont like eveything he does, but the good he offers is far greater than the bad. As an outsider, I can see how you take the press and general public view as the villian but it is so far from the full picture. Any player who plays on the edge, is going to be polarised by supporters and generally that means the home crowd loves and the opposition loathes.
Andy K
He is the match winner for us at the moment, i would hate to see him go to other clubs becaus of persons like u.
redh0t
08 Oct 2012 19:20:03
The owners will not be sacking rodgers anytime soon.Dalglish wasted best part of £100m on rubbish players.Rodgers now has to try and rebuild the squad with little to no money.Let's say the did sack him,who would they get to replace him,as any new manager would want a decent budget to sort this mess out.There is clearly players who the manager wants out of the door,which will bring in much needed funds,so he can sign the players he wants.Sterling,suso and wisdom have been revelations this season,add a couple of players in january and then we can see if progress is being made.
08 Oct 2012 19:01:25
The fact people are even mentioning sacking Rodgers and who they would replace him with is unbelievable.
We have had 7 league games!
Since when did we turn into Chelsea, giving managers no time and panicing when there is the slighest problem.
The owners thought Rodgers was the man in the summer and they wont have changed their mind 4 months later, and I feel the same.
We have played brilliantly in 80% of games this season and the fixture list has not been kind to say the least.
Just look at how many players we lost in the summer and how many we actually replaced. Thank god we have some talent in the academy other wise we would be in REAL trouble this season.
Rodgers has a three year contract to turn this club around so thats how long we should give him.
Lastly, if we did sack BR who would we replace him with?
Jay
Jay:
"Since when did we turn into Chelsea, giving managers no time and panicing when there is the slighest problem."
It was about 21 months ago. That's when this new Chelsea attitude came in from across the Atlantic and brought the revolving door with them. Since then we've sacked 2 managers.
Absolutely unheard of at Liverpool FC. I don't think we've ever actually sacked a a manger before Hodgson, it was always "by mutual agreement" and never after less than 3 seasons.
The owners wanted Klopp in the summer. Rodgers was at best a plan B.
Frank de boer/van gaal
08 Oct 2012 18:58:37
The amount of seething comments on here aimed at almost every person connected with LFC today is unbelievable. Take a look at yourselves. So if Rodgers were to leave tomorrow, who would replace him, who would WANT to with the pressure of the job? If FSG were to pack up, who would buy us and rain money on the club for players? Do you mainly non-named posters think our lads are enjoying drawing or losing? Do you think calling them useless is doing them any good at all? Lets live in the real world for a minute, this is the situation we're in, and the lads still step out there of a weekend donning the LFC shirt, and I know things are far from ideal and it annoys me too, but they'll still get my support. They deserve our support even in the dark days, so we can enjoy the bright days more. We aren't just supporting the manager, owners or players, we're supporting an institution, an institution that over the years has made us as proud as a fan can be. If ever LFC needed the support of its fans, its now. Bring Anfield to life like the old days, and take Anfield with us to the away games, because that's what we as LFC fans have always done.
JFT 96
JP
08 Oct 2012 18:13:08
Hey Eds, Jozy Altidore seems to have really matured under Gertjan Verbeek and has been on an explosive goal streak in the Eredivisie this season (and notched 20+ goals last season). He's big and strong but he also is good with his feet and will take on a man.
It may be absurd but would he fit in with Rodgers 433? He seems he could, to my eyes. He's a more skilled player than Graham was for Swansea and he is a good finisher. He's also young and will only get better.
Thanks :)
Red in Santiago {Ed001's Note - I personally am not a fan, impossible to say if he could transfer his form in the weak Eredivisie to a stronger one.}
08 Oct 2012 18:58:07
I am making a prediction. In our next 3 games, we will win one, and will not be beaten.
Piledriver
Wow, insightful
08 Oct 2012 18:45:41
More posts from Nevada please. He says what I think but cannot be bothered posting.
Ergo Nevada saves my fingers
Puzzled
Nevada bob can't seem to count the number of trophies and finals last season.
I will help, won one, runner up in the other. 8th in league and European football, better than Spurs, who finished 4th.
oh and last season, lots of attacking play, hit the post lots. Lost main striker for 8+ games and then he returned not match fit.
So much like this season, lost a striker..for first part of season due to err...stupidity.
Its so much better this season. Look fwd to years of transition based upon a dossier of theories.
Can't wait til Reading at least they have had a worse start. Even BRs ticky tacs can beat them. Lets hope the defence can be as good as last season from now on. Jmac
Spot on Jmac.
Of course I can count. I never discredited Kenny or said that Rodgers was better. All I asked is that Rodgers is given the same time as Kenny, 1 and half seasons. If after that he still finishes lower than Kenny in the league then you may have a point.
I will always respect Kenny as he is an icon to the city not just the club and at no point have I ever disrespected him or his acheivements.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 17:28:43
Ed2 honestly do you think Rodgers will get another season if our bad form continues {Ed002's Note - I expect the results to get better. If they don't then obviously the club will look toward a resolution for the problem.}
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Spot on ed2. If results don't improve then changes are needed after all Rodgers bought 6/7 players that's more then half of a team
Not sure Allen Borini and assaidi count as half the team? Yesil plays for the u21s and Sahin is here on loan (hopefully perm) honestly 6/7 people? Learn how to friggin count.
08 Oct 2012 18:32:44
Just a quick question for you, calling for BR's sacking... Have you considered that it may be the fault of some of the players? Is it that they are not at fault at all?
It's just a question and in my opinion you are entitled to your opinions, I personally want to keep BR as manager and like what he is doing, it is a poor start but we have a lot of new players and our youth being used, a new manager and staff and a whole new style of play to learn.
This all takes time as others have said, try and be patient but more importantly keep the support coming people.
Thanks
Bazzaa
BR is ultimately responsible for his players not achieving results. But support him we must.
cozinoz
Another one who takes no thought
in the nonsense he writes.
In what way has BR bought half the side.
Give your Brain a chance!
Lyndon
Lyndon,
I don't mind constructive feedback, however you are a buffoon!
You obviously don't think about what you say! "Half the side" what are you on about?
Your problem is you read with your eyes and not your brain.
Engage that brain before you write your response to avoid looking as dumb as you do now!
Bazzaa
A good manager should be able to get decent results from the Lfc squad he inherited. Which other managers take over the reins at new clubs and need a few months to get going? AVB at Chelsea? Yet he is doing ok in the same position at Chelsea. We must back BR 100% (and I do) and allow him time to get his ideas across but don't shy away from the fact that so far we have been no better than we were under Dalglish. The difference is the refs are getting blamed instead of the woodwork
08 Oct 2012 18:04:29
Hi eds and reds . I am just as sick as you that we haven't won more games but I am a big fan of football and the way it should be played . Once over we used to play pass and move now we play Tika taka (which is the same in my eyes) but it's still the way i like to watch football and would think %99 of Liverpool supporters are the same . BR has been in charge what 5 month and we are playing really good football already think of what we could be like in 10 month if we sign a top drawer striker in janruary .
I can see improvement at Liverpool and not just with the team it's on going and will take time . We have a great mix of youth and experience now and it will only get better .
Agree . Great football with visible progression .
Disagree . Long ball to a big man .
Know what I would prefer .
YNWA
Jamesy
08 Oct 2012 18:04:21
-- "So Barney:
"BR deserves his chance, in much the same way Kenny got his."
So he gets one full season and he has to do better than 8th and a trophy or he's sacked.
No problem with that..." --
Sure. As long as Rodgers gets a 100m to spend come Jan window then yeah, no problem with that.
SpudRed
Don't know why this has 6 disagrees? Perhaps someone that disagreed can shed some light? Brendan didn't blow 100m on Downing...sigh....Carroll...sigh...and Henderson. So some clarity would be much appreciated. AsianRed
08 Oct 2012 17:36:11
The commentator said it best yesterday.
"If Sterling [Suso and Wisdom] can do what he [they] does so well at 17 imagine when he is 20".
This is directly related to our squad. We are really good at playing football but just imagine in 2 or 3 years time how good we will be at dominating games and winning football games.
BthekingB
08 Oct 2012 17:23:38
Re Bob:
"We have sacked 3 managers in 2 years (I know it was different owners who sacked Benitez). If we sack Rodgers we will be seen as a side that does not give managers a chance to make a difference. That means no sensible good manager would take the job."
Hi Bob, were you watching in the Summer. No decent manager would touch us then because we'd sacked Kenny after our first bit of success for 6 seasons.
Let's be honest, the owners wanted Klopp. He's a great manager. Because of their perceived naievity and wrecklessness he turned them down. He's no mug.
Rodgers turned us down and then went back to them cap in hand with his amazing "blueprint". So the club hired him in the absence of any viable alternatives.
The mistake was to sack Kenny, and we all know that deep down.
The mistake was to give kenny a permanent contract. He wasted a lot of money and its going to take a massive rebuilding job to sort it.
Mighty reds
Hiring Kenny full time was the mistake
Its been commented that even Kenny did not want to stay in the job and was relieved to be able to step down.
08 Oct 2012 18:56:52
It depends on how you define 'mistake'. I didn't want Kenny sacked, but equally, I think that Rodgers can come good if given the chance.
I'd say we might have ended up setting ourselves back a season. The important lesson to learn is not go and do it again if Rodgers finishes 8th.
- Something Red -
Best Post in Ages
Sour Puss
Arsenal fan here.
agree with the OP.
glory mongering aside, Benitez had to go and Roy was never the answer. Dalglish had a good vibe and the shift in league positions was expected after ownership and management changes but to use him as a scapegoat was never a good idea. perhaps having him on till the youth broke through in 3-4 years would've been good with the added stability. whoever ran the deals with getting players on those inflated prices kinda hammered the final nail in his coffin.
now, you're stuck in situation of sticking to a guy who'll have to steer the ship through massive pressure and penny-pinching times or sack him and crucify the club with more criticism. instead of having talented youth coming in after being blooded in cup matches and cameo appearances, you're throwing them in the deep end all at once at a time where they'll either fail and lose heart from the complaints most "fans" will direct at them or they'll shine big-time and probably be lured away from a floundering, confused club but sugar-daddies running mercenary houses.
truly testing times.
psychocyst.
Couldn't disagree with this more. Kenny was a great manager in his time but the modern game has changed quite a bit since his last stint in the hot seat. Liverpool needed someone with fresh ideas who can do a little more with a little less to compete. Kenny did a great job stabilizing the club (which is what he was brought in to do) and it was time for him to hand the reigns off to a young manager who could see Liverpool (ideally) though the next decade or two.
While it was sad to see a legend like Kenny sacked, I believe it was for the best. Rodgers found a star youngster with 15mil in Allen. Imagine who else he could have bought for the present and for the future if he had the 100mil that Kenny and Commoli wasted?
~Fresh
He mistake was to give kenny 100 mil to buy player like adam, downing henderson and caroll...
dont u realise that??//
Bob,
I agree with you 100%
The owners jumped too soon and they must now know they didn't play their cards right.
The plan should have been; (1) promote Kenny to Club Ambassador or President to promote longer term interests of Club, after is spell steadying the ship and winning silverware (2) bring in a great, internationally connected DOF, Klopp, Klinsmen or maybe Benitez (3) bring in a young, ambitious coach such as BR to work within the new structure, which I thought Kenny had done with Clarke (4) look to cement Gerrard, Carra or Hypia as the next generation, who truly have the Club in their hearts..
Instead, we now have steadily growing, nervousness, instability and nagging lack of belief in 'the plan'. Its not about not being a supporter; of course I support the team I love. But like you Bob, I don't know why we've gone down this road now...
Despite what some here say, the squad assembled since 2010 was not dire. It was young team, building momentum and yes, it was a bit unlucky with injuries (Lucas, Gerrard, Carroll) controversy, suspensions and hitting woodwork. But you know what - yes, I was annoyed at times like a fan. But at least I had confidence that LFC could stand toe to toe with Chelsea, Man U, Man City - and with a bit more luck and a few signings, we could kick on in 2012/2013..
After seeing Carroll play at the end of last season and in the Euros - it would only be a real stubborn and one dimensional manager that would want to sell him. He was a young player 'bought for five years' and instead he's been undermined and is now replaced by Borini.
Really?
Drew. {Ed001's Note - or a manager that doesn't want a drunken lout leading the kids astray! I am so bored of clueless people that couldn't stand Carroll while he was with us, suddenly seeing him as the messiah now we have got rid. He had to go, he wasn't mobile enough, he is nothing but trouble and he is far more interested in nights out than playing footie.}
Who ever we hired was going to struggle. We was never going to finish top 4. We are a few years away,maybe less from top 4 finish. BR is the best choice, we are playing great football, its our finishing thats suffering,like i posted earlier its not his fault. We had a fk'd up summer transfer window. We have to stutter through until Jan the earliest. The owners were never going to hand him £100M. Those days are gone, its a sell to buy from now on.
I also expect LS to be sold in the summer to finance any players coming in.
Lee73
I agree with all Lee73 bar Suarez. I think it would be madness unless we can get silly money. But that is just my thoughts.
Andy K
08 Oct 2012 17:03:22
January business
Ins
Charlie Austin 4m
Wilfred Zaha 8m
Outs
Stewart Downing 7m
Jose Enrique 4m
Peter Gulasci 1m
January business
Ins
Charlie Austin 4m
Wilfred Zaha 8m
Outs
Stewart Downing 7m
Jose Enrique 4m
Peter Gulasci 1m"
You forgot some outs - if that's the list you better add Rodgers and FSG.
Zaha 8 m
that is plain stupid
Perhaps buying a LB to replace Enrique but hey that would be common sense which FSG seem to neglect.
Scouse_Pride
Thought we needed atop striker .
08 Oct 2012 16:27:11
Nevada mate, well done for sticking up for positivity and continuing to remain positive. I for one am on your side. Support BR!
The real AG
I also co-sign Nevada's view!
K.Bennett
Thanks, nice to know there are other fans who have the patience and will to trust that things are moving positively, even if it is only slight.
Nevada
I concur! Scouse solidarity!
Paisley's genius
Wow 10 and 6 disagrees? See the bitters and doomsayers are out in numbers this evening...
AsianRed
Where you as positive last season Nevada or even the last 6 months of the season when it all went tits up for Kenny? Im just trying to work out if you have just found your positivity this season. It makes me laugh when i see posters asking to give a manager time yet were happy to slate Kenny last year. What is the definition of time for a manager? Would we still be giving him time if we are in the bottom half come next March/April. Im not saying you were one of the Kenny abusers Nevada but you get too many posters on here that change like the weather.
The Irish Rover
I am always objective Irish rover. I try not to let my affection for the club cloud my judgement.
In one of my later posts of last season I did actually say Kenny should be given another season. I was not very upbeat about our performances or results but I did say he deserved a second season. Sadly he is not in charge anymore, Rodgers is and as such receives the same patience from me.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 16:21:46
Am i the only person that thinks Rodgers has got something special going on. First look at the main things:
He has kept the heart of the team: signing suarez, skrtel and Agger or new contracts was the main thing for me.
Youth: You look at our youth players. They are getting chances and are living up to it. We have some of the brighest prospects of many a year.
He has brought in players for the future. Yesil, Asaidi are going to be bright talents.
You take this all into account and then think of over the next 5 years with rodgers plan this could be something brilliant.
Yes, the results arent coming our way at the moment but it is all part of a huge project. The owners believes rodgers are the man, and why shouldnt we? We need to get behond the team and support them.
Cheers
Big T
Keep the faith n we will be kings of europe in 3 years
Agreed Big T! Particularly regarding keeping hold of Agger and Suarez! This was a big statement imo!
K.Bennett
Am i the only person that thinks Rodgers has got something special going on?
Yes you are. Rodgers hasn't reinvented the wheel.
First look at the main things: THE LEAGUE TABLE. We are 14th with just one win from seven matches. Hardly something special is it?
Look lads im sick of all the negativity around bucks management of the team let him get on with we know it will take time but we have to let him have it we must be patient and we will reap the rewards so please get behind him and the team hes moved on most of the dross now he just needs a couple of experienced old heads to help the kids along
Spot on, why are people clicking disagree, we are playing well just some fine tuning needed
What does fine tuning mean?
Is that the fine tuning where you score more goals and concede fewer?
Surely the same is true for Norwich?
With some fine tuning they'd be top of the league.
08 Oct 2012 16:01:57
Ignore defence at your peril Bren.
There has never been a successful league team that has shipped so many goals. All title winning/challenging teams start with a rock solid defence.
In what way has he ignored the defence. He as been telling the team to cut out there defence mistakes. We also kept a clean sheet yesterday.
Mighty reds
Didn't KD/Steve Clarke have the third best defence in the league last season. Only 40 goals throughout the league, behind M. Citeh.
So only had to fix the strikers....errr...so why was the team demolished to make way for an unproven 'shyshtem. Jmac
Haha Jmac because we ended up with our lowest ever point tally in god knows how long and "unproven"? Seems to be working wonders for Spain isn't it? Or is winning every major trophy international trophy not enough evidence?
AsianRed
Exactly
Why did the owners want a new manger when clearly they can't afford the new managers football philosophy
Makes no sense at all
If the owners were monsour or Roman then it would make some sense but as it stands its very silly
Nonsense Mighty Reds. We have been leaking goals compared to last season because of the type of football we are playing. Now if we were winning games 3 and 4-2 then all would be fine and dandy, but we are not. We are loosing games. At this time these are the facts so stick to them. It is practically the same back 4 so whats changed?
The Irish Rover
Irish Rover,
What has changed is the system and players adapting too it. How many of our goals have been individual errors and how many when we have simply been out played? Individual errors are going to happen while we adapt. That is what has changed.
Andy K
08 Oct 2012 15:59:12
already tiring of Rodgers saying "its a shame we didnt win but im pleased with the effort." I know we have to be patient but I have to admits its really hard.
GT
Yes it is hard, especially when others seem to be improving and overtaking us but we have to set up firm foundations and that's where we are at the moment, we're not the team we were but for the last ten years we've been chasing an elusive formula that will make us great again, I for one believe that BR is the right way to go we have to stick it out it's probably gonna get worse before it gets better but FSG are not gonna get rid cos it'd cost them the price of a striker we'll be fine lets just keep the faith
Stevie H
08 Oct 2012 15:44:45
Take it how you want but I know the following:
BR has three games to save his job, if he doesn't win one of the next three he is out
Anon
All's fine with the world then...
Singred
Rodney you "Plonker"
Lyndon
Haha so br gets the sack, a new manager comes in, then what? whether a new manager comes in or not, nobody can put the ball in the back of the net! until we address this issue it isnt going to improve, its as simple as that mate! so jog on with ur negative tripe!
ian the red
You "know" the following do you? While your here mr.henry can I ask if there's any job vacancies within the club,thanks.
Don't think FSG would jump that quickly but Redknapp is using his press contacts to link him with every job. (vomits)
Give him until Xmas to turn it around. One win against Reading makes no difference to me. Say he beats reading but loses 6 out of the next 7, I doubt the Reading win would save him.
FSG will keep BR
BR would have to set fire to Anfield to be sacked
BR is FSG man and they will keep him
Besides FSG have no money for a new manger and no money to use a war chest to entice a new manager
Anon is jh in desguise i guess!
08 Oct 2012 15:39:31
Ive just heard from a sound source, that our very own Lois Saurez has been nominated and is favorite to win "The Clown Dive Award 2012" He is also about to release his first ever single, a cover version of "I can't stand up for falling down"
Any suggestions for the follow up?
No unfortunately he's behind the whole Manchester utd team! Oh and Gareth bale..... Jog on
Andy
Suarez comes with bagge if we want him we have to take the bagge and all that goes with it no matter how unsavoury
08 Oct 2012 15:08:24
I took my 11yr old son to his 1st game at anfield yesterday,he had been so excited about goin for weeks but in all honesty we both left feeling abit flat. It wasn't the 0-0 score or even the way we played but the complete lack of atmosphere in the ground,even the stoke fans were taking the p**s out of us and to be honest they were right,what has happened to that famous anfield atmosphere we all loved.
I agree the atmosphere has been rubbish
It comes back in a couple of years. We all support our club, but signing loudly is a bit harder when even the players dont want to fight for us
Stoke play anti-football
kidmillions
I agree,stoke shud play with a bloody oval ball not a rnd one.
Was fantastic atmosphere against Man utd but seems to be a bit flat against the smaller sides we expect to beat for some reason
08 Oct 2012 15:06:25
after fsg bought us.
carroll 36mil
suarez 23mil
quates 7mil
henderson 16mil
downing 20 mil
adam 7 mil
enrique 7mil
yesil 1mil
sahin 4mil loan
allen 15 mil
borini 11mil
total 146 mil
babel 8mil
torres 51mil
meirelles 13mil
ngog 4mil
insue 1mil
jovanonic ayala konchessky 3mil
adam 5mil
aqua 1.5mil
kuyt 1mil
carrol 1mil
87.mil
roughly 60mil spend in 3 windows,and we need to keep in mind 36+20 carroll and downing are not being used.
FSG wanted to clean up first,reduce the wage bill is not what they wanted they want the funds availible for players that will be involved.
the only reason cole played yesterday iis for the club to sell/loan him out in januari.
downing
enrique are not in BR future plans.
BR must of told FSG that this was his plan and they agreed with it.
i believe we have funds availible in januari and we will buy a striker.
next summer BR will have the squad he needs.
carroll downing enrique combined 30mil + some from the owners.
there is no panic at the club agger skrtl suarez ect ect singning new deals must know what is going on.
this will be a hard season but fourth place not impossible but difficult.
that will depend how many points we are behind 4 spot in januari and if we get the striker that will make the difference.
i have hope for the future.
Spot on bro
The above is not hope its a bleedin travesty think about it
08 Oct 2012 14:52:01
Hope for the sake of unity that Liverpool start getting results. This great club with great fans is splitting into factions. For BR Against BR, Blame KD, defend Rafa, criticise this player or that player. Anyone with a different opinion is labeled a school kid Etc... Owners fault, refs fault, FA's fault, whiskey nose's fault. I know this is a banter site to discuss football but fewer and fewer posts are worth reading as it's all whining and whinging. Anfield is like a morgue and we expect to attract the world's best players?
Lets just get behind the team, make objective comments about the team, the tactics and create an atmosphere that encourages our team, intimidates the opposition, not heaps pressure on a team that is clearly trying but fragile in confidence and down on luck.
Bean counter
08 Oct 2012 14:28:16
Anyone looked back to Banter2 yet?
All those predictions: 7-1, 7-3, 2-1, 3-1
All the people claiming a "must win".
Now we fail at home again and it's the ref's fault, it's Stoke's evil tactics, it's bad luck. We played well, blah blah blah.
If excuses were points, we'd be top of the league.
Rodgers needs to turn this around in terms of points on the board. Sod the pretty footy or youth development. The object of the game is to outscore your opponent, everything else comes a distant second.
Well said, finally some truth!
You plonker he needs time to turn it around barcelona wasnt built in a day
West Brom seem to have turned it around. Best start in their history versus Liverpool's...worst.
Who is responsible?
BRENDAN =AGREE
NOT BRENDA =DISAGREE
08 Oct 2012 14:03:21
People calling for the manager to be sacked are way off the mark.He's just started a long term project,he hasnt got massive amounts of money to shape his team and squad the way he would like to.There's players who he clearly doesn't want,ie carroll,downing,enrique who he needs to sell before he can continue to add to the squad.We are playing some really good stuff,we are just lacking that clinical striker which im sure will be addressed in january.What we need now is to give the manager a chance,we've had to many changes in the past 3 years.As for the owners they will work as hard as they can to make liverpool a success again,if they are to eventualy make a profit on there investment.It's simple the more successful we are the more valuable we become,just have some faith.
What makes Rodgers bullet proof? What has he got that Hodgson and Kenny didn't?
He needs results or he will be gone. Villas Boas had a project at Chavski. Look what happened there.
I can tell you what he hasn't got that both Hodgeson and Kenny did... time.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 15:03:49
Nevada mate if he doesn't improve he will be sacked results are very important in footy and Rodgers has failed to produce them. Playing attractive footy is luxury results are necessary
Umm well kenny got bad results but was given a full season. Even Hodgeson got till christmas, be fair.
Nevada
We have sacked 3 managers in 2 years (I know it was different owners who sacked Benitez). If we sack Rodgers we will be seen as a side that does not give managers a chance to make a difference. That means no sensible good manager would take the job. The owners now need to show they will support a manager both in the transfer marker and by allowing them time to mould the squad into their vision. Rodgers needs to be given at least two full seasons to do this. Providing we are not staring relegation in the face we as fans should all give him support for this time frame too.
Bob
Rogers will be given a full season I don't think there's any doubt about that unless of course where fighting relegation then get rid of the whole staff. But at the end of the season we finish in the second half of the table, what then? Do we risk giving him another season or do we go with experience. Quite frankly at that point the only person lfc fans would want is rafa but the owners seem to know what's best.
They will not sack him, how can they? Is it BR fault we ended up with a depleted squad after the transfer window? No It was Ian Ayres and FSG. BR will be given plenty of time, we are playing great football, results will slowly come. Its you fans that have no time to wait, in that case follow someone like City or Chelsea if you want instant success.
Lee73
08 Oct 2012 16:19:56
Nevada mate nope kenny started our seasson well we were always near top4 till suarez issue then everything started going wrong. At the same time we won our first trophy in 6/7 years. Played in wembley for the first time in 16/17 years. Kenny took us to 2 finals and still it was consider a bad season. Now what about Rodgers who cant win matches. Sry mate I can't see any progress but we are going backwards
Lee73, they sacked Hodgson and Kenny because of results.
Rodgers won't get any special favours.
Roy and Kenny set the club back years with their negative play and awful transfers. Rodgers is still trying to fix the mess Kenny left us in.
At then end of the season if Rodgers has not improved on Kennys league position your statement will have some credibility. Until then its just conjecture.
Nevada
Dalglish wasted the best part of £100m on rubbish players,now rodgers has to try and rebuild tthe squad with little to no money.So i doubt fsg will sack him,as whoever took over would want a decent transfer budget to sort the mess kenny and comoli letf us.
RE: Lee73, they sacked Hodgson and Kenny because of results.
Rodgers won't get any special favours.
Firstly Hodgson, he should NEVER have been offered the Liverpool Job. So i dont count him.
Kenny, i think he got the push because he had spent FSG money on crap. After DC got the push, his card was marked. He was always going to be short term.
BR will do a good job for Liverpool.
Lee73
08 Oct 2012 13:57:17
The Problem with Suarez....
I don't normally post two long pieces in one day but after seeing some of the comments on her regarding Senor Suarez I felt it was warranted.
Yes we all hate diving. Suarez does it often, and I don't like it. You would have to be a serious cheat to enjoy diving. I feel embarassed and humiliated everytime he does it. Yesterday was not even the worst time, he dived once yesterday, against sunderland he was hardly on his feet and I found it extremely frustrating.
I asked a couple of ex-professionals yesterday whether they had ever come across a player which had never dived, they couldn't even name one. Diving (whether you like it or not) is part of this sport, its not new either its been happening for a long long long time, even before I watched my first game (which was some time ago). Condemning Suarez is somewhat hypocritical, why? Because everyone dives. I'll wager a big part of my hefty salary that not one person wanted Gerrard out of the club after his last dive (of which there are a few), I'll bet nobody chased Torres around with a pitchfork when he performed a 8.9 against the more physical teams. So why do it now? And why only to Suarez?
Like I said, I am not advocating diving. Not in the slightest, but I'm also not an advocate of hypocriticism either I wont complain about Suarez doing it then make excuses for others doing it. I have not complained about Suarez diving, because I would have to complain about when Sterling has done it, Gerrard, Torres, Fowler etc. I prefer instead to see it realistically, he is no worse or better than any other professional. He just gets put under the microscope more often.
This morning I texted a friend who was formerly a professional football player, someone I respect and consider to be a very honest player. I asked him if he had ever dived expecting him to be the one person who would tell me no. It took a while for him to reply, and when he did he said yes. For Milan he had dived, he was not proud of it and wished that he could erase it from history, it was a game where in the first minute he had received a bone crunching tackle from a well known 'hard man' the ref did not even award a free kick. This happened four times more without punishment, on the sixth occasion just outside the box he went down when the same player put a foot in, there was minimal contact and he went down easy. He won the free kick and the 'hardman' was yellow carded and ceased his ultra aggressive tactics.
Who is wrong in this story I asked? He replied "We both were. I am ashamed of what I did but I spent the next 3 games on the sidelines because of an injury sustained in one of those tackles for which he was not punished. Had it continued it could well have been many more games."
Suarez does dive. Nobody disputes that, but how many times was he brutalised yesterday without punishment? He needs to stop it because its embarassing, but unless you're willing to say the entire squad are cheats... then dont aim that criticism at Suarez either.
Thanks for reading, comments always appreciated.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 14:17:42
Nevada why are you lying lad and trying to justify the worst dive in the history of dives.
Worst dive in the history of dives? That might be the worst exaggeration in the history of exaggerations.
John CT
Defenders kick, push, pull forwards all through the match and get away with it especially at corners were anything goes and more often than not the referee will blow up in favour of defenders or goalkeepers and as we all know and very rarely give a penalty for a push or a pull at corners.
Defenders don't feel ashamed for all the kicking and pushing.
Forwards who are mostly on the end of all this thuggery sometimes take a dive?
Who can blame them? It's always gone on. get over it.
We just have to be a bit more clever against teams like Stoke who persistently foul and get more players in and around the penalty area?
If a Liverpool player gets a penalty even a dodgy one against a team like Stoke who set out to play anti-football well then I for one would not lose any sleep.
kidmillions
08 Oct 2012 15:31:29
Worst dive in the history of dives? It wasn't even the worse dive of yesterday, get a grip Manc
Kid millions
yes your right about defenders pulling and hauling players in the box,unfortunatly carragher was one of the worst culprits of this activity.i didnt hear you complain then about it!
Carra was not too bad. Of course our own defenders do it Skyrtel is right up there with the best of the pushers and pullers.
kidmillions
So when Drogba dived it was ok then?
CT13
LMAO carragher had the shirt pulled off every player in the box not to mention pulling players back by their shirt when he was last man and unbeleivably he got away with it most of the time
Wow u manc hipocrit ronaldo and drogba never so much dived for the penalty box but swam for it
08 Oct 2012 18:40:25
I'm neither justifying his diving or lying (which part am I lying about by the way since most of it is opinion it can hardly be called lying).
If you read the post you would have seen that I disagree with diving, I only said that if you're going to complain about diving why not complain about every dive not just the ones suarez does. All players dive but I dont see people complaining about them, just Suarez.
Even within our club players dive but we ignore those. Take a look at the link I've posted, its a video of some pretty disgraceful Gerrard dives. Do you now want him to quit the club?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GKXAKQY-0Y
Nevada
And what about Taylor, for Newcastle? He got sent off for that
08 Oct 2012 19:40:06
Look I wasnt saying diving was ok for ANYONE. if you read my post you'd see I was only explaining that diving is part of the game, I dont like it anymore than you. Watch the link I've posted then tell me Suarez is any worse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GKXAKQY-0Y
I dont appreciate any player diving but if you wanna chase one player around with a pitch fork then you'll have to do it with all, because everyone dives...badly.
Nevada
Not every player dives. some go to ground easy to earn their team a half-chance, some invite tackles to win soft fouls while others provoke them with a more physical approach, but all this is done with a sense of professionalism.
take RVP as an example. the man, in his time at Arsenal at least, did simple twists and turns to position himself between the ball and the approaching defender to get a foul committed against him. he would take up a position below the incoming long ball to win a free kick because the opposing play would have to run into him in order to get at the ball.
what most light-weight players do is invite that tackle, almost anticipate the contact and "win" a foul.
what they don't do is go down moaning and groaning whilst writhing in agony in an attempt to deceive and official.
they might exaggerate the pain and discomfort caused by the legitimate foul, but only a cheat would claim said pain without any contact made.
it's not just Suarez doing this. plenty other from teams all over the world. but when you make a habit of it, specially after you glorify your reckless disregard of the rules like he has, then you only bring it on worse on yourself. he's getting what he deserves in a way.
psychocyst. {Ed001's Note - are you taking the mick? RVP is a diver, what he does is cheat. I am sick of this crap about professionalism etc, it is cheating, plain and simple. Whether it is Suarez, RVP, Ashley Young, Gerrard whoever. They all cheat and until people like you stop fabricating excuses for their disgusting behaviour, it will never stop.}
Nevada mate, good post, but if Luis Suarez helped an old lady across the road non Liverpool fans would find something wrong with it. At the end of the day all players dive in the box, look at Wellbeck the other week, but so long as you are not Luis Suarez you will get away with it. Poor Luis is labeled now in the EPL for that incident last season & until he leaves for another club, which i beleive will be this summer the targeting wont stop. We unearthed a gem when we bought him, so slur Alex and his mates at the FA are doing everything they can to drive him out of Anfield. Football stinks these days, right down to the FA.
Lee73
08 Oct 2012 13:55:14
Pulis has only come out and blasted Suarez so that the press aren't asking questions
I hope Stoke get relegated this term, they have now spent years in the top flight kicking teams and then pinching draws from long throw ins. They are an abysmal excuse of a football team, and what an advert around the world for the premier league. LFC fans caining Suarez today too? Yes i dont like him rolling around on the floor or diving, but he gets as good as he gives! If anyone else was booted around for 70 mins without being awarded a free kick they'd get fed up too and maybe go over easily. (why moan if he takes a fall?) Has he not had 2-3 blantant penalty's waved away recently, yes maybe its due to reputation, but he gets nothing in the way of decisions. Every ground he goes to he takes a verbal battering from fans too! Ronaldo was one of the worst divers i have ever seen, Fergie always came out saying he needs protection and i dont recall manc fans caining him. Suarez a joke, some of you fans ned to have a look at yourselves! Sack the manager, FSG out with death threats. Effing disgraceful ! {Ed002's Note -
Ed002, I think you may have written your response in invisible ink.
Nevada {Ed002's Note -
08 Oct 2012 14:51:02
whats the crack with that? often seen it. Is it some sort of private message between the poster and the Ed? Or is Nevada right?
WBD {Ed002's Note - They are just secret messages written in (white) in.}
Only seems to be Ed002 as well. I do find it amusing though and it adds an air of mystery to your persona.
Nevada
Hi eds and all i think its abit childish saying you hope stoke get relegated,cause they kicked us around yesterday, and they dont play the style of football we all want to see,well stoke play football the way they can with the players they have and yes its not nice on the eye,but they got what they wanted yesterday,we didn't cause 'we were not good enough to beat them,we will play alot of stoke's this year will you hope there all relegated,epl will have alot less teams next year so,football is big buisness now worth billions and millions to us and to stoke to,so they do everything they can to get there points and stay up,we have to just accept that,and get on with it and hopefully come up with some fresher idea's to beat teams like stoke cause there are alot more teams out there that play there way and not are way.td
No i dont wish for the whole league to be relegated and Stoke are Stoke, NO other team plays in the same manner, there may be long ball teams, there may be teams that get in the faces of the opponent, For 5 years or so Stoke have kicked their opponents to bits , parked the bus and nicked a point with a Delap throw in. They are an awful side, Yes its about money and we all know that, doesn't change my mind and give me the want to praise stoke, especially when their manager has the nerve to criticize one of our players for taking a fall, even if it was terrible when in all fairness he suffers a potential broken sternum and our squad are maybe all out the following game with niggling injury's. Due to the thuggery that is Stoke! I often giggle at Wenger but he is bloody right! Ask Ramsey!
Stoke play to ther strengths while the balls up in the air we cant score as none of ther players have the skill to use it on the ground anyway give em the rest of kennys signings they have already signed one donkey
Oh and a big thanks to Ed002 to your response, i do appreciate it! even if others cant, wink wink {Ed002's Note - It is a blast for me to say
Hi eds and all utd are playing stoke there next game its at old trafford stoke will play same way its only way they can with players they have especially against big clubs,now utd will probably beat them 3 nil because they will be good enough to we just where not yesterday wait and see {Ed001's Note - or because Stoke won't be allowed to get away with the fouls they could against us.....}
08 Oct 2012 13:48:31
Although i was never a huge dirk kuyt fan,the one thing i will say about him is he always produced important goals.He also got his fair share of goals,as did maxi,and graig bellamy.So to lose these players and there goals,without replacing them was asking for trouble.People say fsg aint penny pinching,and that we should be greatful as they "SAVED US",I for one aint buying into that bull.They brought a massive club for a rock bottom price,i seem to remember there was other interest in us,so i doubt we would of went bust.January will show what there really all about,failure to bring in new players will only confirm my fears.
08 Oct 2012 13:47:55
I miss the old Steven Gerrard
Play him behind suarez then or on the right of the front 3.. he hasn't played well as a centre mid since the Houllier days..If he doesn't start shooting more and scoring he is a wasted talent..simple
The highlights of gerrards career where under rafa Benitez not houllier. He was at his peak under rafa. As soon as he got injured he never returned back to normal.
The only way u gonna see the best of gerrard is put him in a time machine as his best days are over he should be used as a 30 minute man stick him on to try n change a game since his ihjury he is just not the same and he is over 30 now the sun is setting on his career but what a footballer he was respect to the man as he played for the cause could have walked into any club on the planet but stayed true to the reds
08 Oct 2012 13:47:13
A recent post states that Allen has been one of the best Anfield buys in recent years - WHAT!
Either an person or Brendan himself or both...
Recent years being 2-3 seasons otherwise that is so invalid. Suarez, merieles and maybe bellamy are the only ones ahead of him since rafa left.
I was the person who posted that comment. IF you can read - it says ONE OF the best buys.
I stand behind that absolutely - if you cannot agree then you should keep quiet because you know very little about the game
Puzzled
08 Oct 2012 13:35:41
I, like all knowledgable fans, am a fan of André Wisdom. Unfortunately there are too many fans, most of them nameless, who are followers of his brothers Lakov and Gotno.
DM2012
What about Norman?
Huddz red
08 Oct 2012 13:27:50
Drew
Don't take this the wrong way, bud, but that's just as hypocritical, blinkered, baseless and frankly nonsensical a view as I've seen.
You say something to the effect of Kenny is an "experienced" manager who's "realised" that you implement change through "small steps".
There's no basis for this. Kenny was out of the game for a decade. He most certainly was out of tune with the modern game and its dynamics. The game had evolved way beyond him. He was no solution for the long term.
As for change in "small steps", consider this. Towards the end of the 2010/11 season, when he first came back, the side was playing well. Maxi was scoring goals for fun and supporting Suarez well. Kuyt, too, was getting quite a few. The team had an understanding, it had rhythm.
Going to the next season, all that was needed was more continuity and less disruption.
Yet, rather naively, come the start of the season, the previous season's best scorer Maxi was arbitrarily dumped to the bench.
Henderson, Carroll, Adam, Downing and Enrique were all chucked into the starting XI... all at once.
The cohesion and understanding the side had fostered the previous rudely disrupted.
There was no proper integration whatsover.
So where's these "small steps" that Drew is talking about?
You call throwing five new players, all at once, into an XI that was playing just well coupla months ago and disrupting the cohesion and continuity... you call that "small steps"?
Smh.
Worse was still to come. Downing, as no doubt you yourself saw, Drew, was royally inept, way out of his depth.
Yet, week in week out he's in the starting XI.
Maxi comes in and with what little time he has on the pitch, does the, gets some goals. Next game, Maxi, back to bench, Downing, in.
Maxi was twice the performer and contributor Downing was, yet in Kenny's eyes, the latter was still the better player.
Is that the "experience" and management profiency of Kenny that you're referring to?
Smh.
You say that Kenny should have been kept on and so assuredly claim that Rodgers "is going to fail".
On the first point, the facts as we know them establish that:
* Kenny took this team to 8th in his first (and only) full season. In 2009/10, Rafa Benitez finished one place higher, in spite of an injury-ravaged season riddled with boardroom squabbles and uncertainty, disharmony and restlessness within the team, a polarised fanbase, half of which actively baying for Benitez's blood and general feeling of sombreness.
* Dalglish had the stability and all forms of support he needed.
It was under he that we made and broke some transfer records. In only just two successive windows he got to spend over £100m.
*During Kenny's reign, we achieved our lowest points tally for a lifetime
*Scored the least number of goals for a long time
*Won the least number of games at Anfield for decades
*We won only ONE league game at Anfield in 2012
*At no stage last season did Liverpool legitimately compete
In short, we went backwards. There was nothing to suggest that we would improve.
You earn second chances. Going one step forward and then two back isn't progress, and duly, you will be dispensed with.
As for Rodgers, he hasn't been here for a reasonable enough time to make a definitive appraisal.
In any case, his mandate varies fundamentally from Kenny's.
Rodgers is here to do something similar to what Shankly, Ferguson, and, more recently, Jurgen Klopp, did/are doing.
That is: build a team for the future, the core of which will be home-grow and whose playing style and philosophy will be fashioned on the great Spanish national team and Barcelona.
That's what's envisioned here.
The owners and the educated and knowledgeable Red Brethren, like Blair, ed001, ed63, ed52, lfc, DaveyBootle, and no doubt many others, know the score.
They get the bigger picture and accept that it's going to take a great deal of time and patience. But it will come good, Brendan will make.
I won't mince my words here: the start has been the worst for... you know how long.
6 points out of 21 will disappointed, vex and dishearten anyoned... in normal circumstances.
But these AREN'T normal circumstances.
Unlike before, this season we ARE truly transitioning, assuming a "new" identity and adopting "new" ways of going about our business.
The trick here is to manage that process well, carefully balancing all interests.
(What good will it be tiki-takiing in the Championship? Ha ha!) We must get the balance right. Make significant strides towards the end goal.
If end of the season Brendan finishes, say, 6th, having moulded and refined team and fully blooded the kids, that balance for me would have been achieved.
In fact, that would be our highest finish since 08/09.
BR deserves his chance, in much the same way Kenny got his.
My advice to Drew: take the rose-tinted specs off, confined the past to where it belongs (bin), suck it up and move on, lad.
Kenny's gone and never coming back. Live with it.
BARNEY
As good a post as I have seen for a long time, as I keep saying I actually go to the match, obviously not happy with the results but I have seen us play better football this season losing than when we were winning under GH, RB and KD.
Red Flag Flyer
I think its also worth noting that Dalglish had an easier job (with the exception of losing Suarez) as he had 120m to invest and also followed Hodgeson and so just by simple contrast was always going to look better.
Nevada
So Barney:
"BR deserves his chance, in much the same way Kenny got his."
So he gets one full season and he has to do better than 8th and a trophy or he's sacked.
No problem with that...
We all know lfc has a rich Scottish fan base which being tradition and passion to this great club. But I've noticed that only the Scottish reds fans were intent on keeping daglish or absoloutely disapointed he was sacked. Look how many errors the legend made in 1 full season. If he was at Chelsea they would have tottally written him off their history books (exactly the reason why there is no heart at that club.
At the end of the day it doesn't take a genius to see that the hierarchy at lfc made a huge mistake letting rafa go, whom had a world class squad of players, world class squad mentality and work ethic and most of all was getting us results. He was under the worst owners in the history of the EPL (like I've said before) and you can see that the owners at the time had no idea what they where doing, when they appointed Roy hodgson as boss?... On what credentials.
But I digress from the past. Kenny made the club stable again and brought back the spirit, but not the world class squad he could have got with £100 mill throughout his time.
Rogers is the new the in town. The 'man' if you like, and he has a similar approach to rafa Benitez if you haven't realised. The difference being rogers is building for a bright future and rafa was for the present. It's an acute system to go by but it's a huge risk and our reputation has been tarnished no doubt. The reason why there are fickle fans is due to the fact that liverpool is not supposed to be in this position. We are not used to midtable mixed results. But if rogers finishes in the second half of the table, more and more people will start jumping on the bandwagon.
Players are ultimately the ones to blame. Gerrard has lost his abilities. Carragher is way past it. We have little left of the core that rafa produced. A new seed is being planted.
You could almost hear shankly saying 'get rafa on the phone' ahaha
08 Oct 2012 13:23:56
Dont want to read to much into it but,dont it strike you as odd that the owners havent been over to anfield this season.Are they losing interest?. {Ed002's Note - The abuse and threats made against the owners and Mrs Henry were taken very seriously by FSG and I suspect it will take a little while longer to settle.}
I share fans frustrations,and i too get angry with what happened,but threatening behaviour is totaly unnacceptable.
Whoever advises them,must of warned them that selling all our strikers and not replacing them,would'nt go down well with the fans.
So Barney:
"BR deserves his chance, in much the same way Kenny got his."
So he gets one full season and he has to do better than 8th and a trophy or he's sacked.
No problem with that...
08 Oct 2012 13:20:52
Hi eds do u think that due to our poor league form,and what happened or what never happened on transfer deadline day,that the owners will make funds available in january. {Ed002's Note - I suspect they will provide funding for a striker.}
Do u know of any targets?. {Ed002's Note - January is not a great time to go shopping for players. There is no point in making a knee jerk reaction and buying for the sake of it, it is better to wait until the desired player is available. It may be the case of taking someone on loan.}
08 Oct 2012 13:38:27
Darren bent is the man.
08 Oct 2012 14:12:24
Bent cant even start for Villa, we need to offer the Blues 20 million for Jelavic as at least he can finish, then again he would probably not lower his standards
Darren bent is not the answer
David villa on loan maybe?.
Maybe they'll get us falcao,ok i'll stop dreaming.Realisticly though the only players to arrive will be on loan,then we'll get the usual PR rubbish about it not being the right time of the year to buy...
We will try to sign Walcott
08 Oct 2012 12:17:35
Is e001 about?
What do you think of Rodgers? We all value your opinion on this forum and I'm curious what you think.
Nevada {Ed001's Note - I like the way he wants us to play, I like that he has had the bottle to drop some of the under performing senior players and give kids a chance. There are a few things I would change if I was in charge, but that would be the same no matter who was the manager. The point is that I can see the club is heading in the right direction, with a manager who has the right idea about how the game is played. I keep hearing whines about playing it sideways and backwards, I wonder how those fans would have felt in the 70s when Liverpool were winning everything and the keeper spent as much time on the ball as anyone! Overall, I think Rodgers is the right man for the job.}
Thanks for the input ed. You said pretty much how I feel (and probably most fans).
Nevada
Sanity... amongst all the insanity!! Thank God for proper supporters.
kidmillions
Hi ED001 the football LFC played in the
70'S and 80'S was passing with a purpose this side just pass for passing
sake they very rarely penetrate or open
teams up,you only have to look a JOE
ALLEN sorry BUTCH WILKINS,the first
thought in his head when he receives the
ball from REINA is sideways or back it's
ingrained in him from his SWANSEA days.
08 Oct 2012 12:59:15
the low point came while i sat watching the scoreless draw my 3 yr old noticing the liverpool symbol for the first time said hey dad look a red peacock
08 Oct 2012 12:44:49
Rodgers is the only deal on the table. He's going nowhere. Get used to the idea and support him or go and support another team. RED LENIN
08 Oct 2012 12:42:34
Mourinho feels Rodgers, who succeeded Kenny Dalglish in the summer, has a lot of work to do at Anfield but hopes he is given time to make his mark.
"I think Brendan, he can't be champion with that team...
He can't make miracles with that team. It's not an easy job. Liverpool expectations are very high.
The reality is that Liverpool, at this moment, they're not the best team in the Premiership. Not even close. The squad is not at that point"
Evidently all you whiners and moaners only know how to criticize Rodgers and not look at the poor squad he inherited from Dalglish and Comolli. Heck, we should be thankful that Allen joined us because of Rodgers, he could have stayed with Swansea.
But you people don't get it - you just moan and groan. For your sake, I hope Rodgers leave; not because he's a poor manager, on the contrary, he's the best thing we got, but because no one deserves this callous treatment trying to turn this limited squad around.
Singred
What was your opinion of Roy Hodgson, Singred?
Did you think we were all moaners because we criticised him? Did you think are expectations of him were unrealistic because of the rubbish he inherited from Rafa? Did you think we should have been grateful Joe Cole decided to join Hodgson at
Anfield?
So far, Rodgers and Hodgson have identical records.....
What people are whining about is that rogers has made a few errors, but the owners ha a chance to correct that error but simply didn't. Carroll was sent out on loan and borini, a 21 yr old Italian striker was bought for £11 mill with 10 goals in seria a to his name.... The reason borini was bought is because rogers knew how he plays and that he could understand what rogers wants for the team...that is a huge risk. £11 mill could have bought a much better player. We could hve kept Carroll for plan b, but we just kept in taking risks. Unfortunantly for rogers these risks are now mistakes. Only rogers can right these mistakes from now to jan. 6 out of 21 Mourinho should swallow his words.
What was your opinion of Roy Hodgson, Singred?
..............................................
I don't know about SingRed, but the fact that you are comparing our performances under Hodgson with those under Rodgers, indicates how little you actually know about football.
Have you actually ever been to a game?
I think there was a stark difference under Hodgeson, we didnt look like we could bribe a win under him. The football was terrible and we were easily beaten by just about everyone.
No-one, apart from the easily pleased, is comparing performances under Hodgson. I was comparing results. Blackpool played great football in the prem and got relegated. Stoke were brutal and stayed up. Results are what this club is built on, not pretty football.
Rodgers should be judged the same way Hodgson and Kenny were judged- results.
08 Oct 2012 12:32:17
As this is a transition season (we can all see the progress) anything above finishing in the bottom 3 WILL be acceptable.
Players will be moved on (either unable to adapt or not good enough).
New players will be brought in that can adapt or are good enough and there will be an even bigger improvement next season.
This is a minimum 3 year project and it is going to take 3 transfer windows before you will see a consistent level of play under the new system.
There are glimpses of what BR is trying to achieve and it WILL come good.
I remember a similar transition period after RB took over. Once the right players were in place and everyone knew exactly what to do and how to do it, we became very hard to score against and won the ball back very quickly. The goal scoring came last, but there was a 6 month period (in that season we finished 2nd) where we were virtually unplayable.
08 Oct 2012 13:19:58
Mate any manager will be very very luky to get 2/3 years in modern footy especially when he doesn't produce results. The truth is if Rodgers doesn't improve he will be sacked football is result bussiness playing attractive footy its luxury
Agree a little. In my opinion I will be happy on an improvement from last year, even if its just one league place. As long as there is progression I will be happy.
Nevada
"As this is a transition season (we can all see the progress) anything above finishing in the bottom 3 WILL be acceptable."
Any Liverpool fans agree with this statement?
Me, I completely disagree, anything worse than last season should be unacceptable as last season was not acceptable for the owners.
Are you serious? You must hve little knowledge of how players work. If we finish 1 place above the relegation zone, that would mean a lot of reforming once again, which is not acceptable at all. Players will no doubt leave because the club is not at the level they want to be (our best players). Fans will be on top of rogers an the owners pleading them to step down (pleading is and understatement). We will be seen as a joke not only by other fans in the EPL but others in other leagues. We will lose out economically as well. Finishing one place above the relagation zone or anywhere near it is not acceptable. Top half of the table is acceptable.
Brendan rodgers will be given time and i believe he will get it right. there has been progression and players attitudes are changing , gone are the days when a pricetag guaranteed you game time. players will have to earn their places and the kis are showing them the desire that is needed to get in team. all in all great signs that things are changing for the better but it does seem a few people here think it will fail, or want it to fail. get a grip and support LFC for there will be fruitful times ahead.
livlim
Spurs are in transition as well!
08 Oct 2012 12:15:43
How many games did BR get at reading before he was found out. I give him 3 more games
08 Oct 2012 12:38:23
I give him 2 games because if we lose to reading and everton he should be sacked, we should be looking at 6 points and nothing else from them 2 games. Please Rafa come back.
08 Oct 2012 13:11:09
hey second poster its numpties like you that give us a bad name, saying things like that, I personally think the tide has turned and we are now number two on Merseyside
So what the two of you are saying is that any manager at liverpool should only ever be given 10 games? Unless he is top of the league that is. Think you need to be more realistic.
Nevada
All pathetic comments above, you just don't know what your talking about
08 Oct 2012 12:09:50
Tony pulis is a d**k never saw the STAMP on suarez just the dive. Stoke can't play football if they did they would be relegated.
He makes out he's on some Crusade
to stop diving then.
Plays the same football that Leeds got
Crucified for playing in the 70s
But without the addition of Flair when needed!
Lyndon
08 Oct 2012 12:08:27
14th after 7 games. Maybe FSG and BR should stop making channel 5 docs and start doing what they are there for.
BR is annoying on that show. The more I see him on it the less I like the guy and this from a fellow Northern Irish man
08 Oct 2012 11:57:09
Have just seen Suarez dive on the tele. He is pathetic! To say he should be embarrassed is an understatement. Rodgers should sit him down and make him watch all the dives he has done this season and state that he must cut it out. The annoying this is he is a great player.
It is not just the diving which is doing my nut in- he seems to run into blind alleys- Luis needs to get his head up once in a while and look to see what is around - usually nothing in the box but..... nevertheless
Are you forgetting he set up Sahin against Norwich and also his excellent pass to give Gerrard an excellent chance?
08 Oct 2012 11:56:32
Ok, so things are not really going are way at the moment, but first i want to state that given time to BR i think they will come good.
Now on to my main point, if we had another 1 or 2 world class strikers at the club, and things were going really well would we all stand for Suarez and his actions? He has been great in terms of football for us but in terms of everything else he has been nothing but trouble. If we were not in a bit of a mess i think we would all rather get rid of him, so do we continue to allow him to be the focal point and after Stevie the icon of the team around the world or do we get rid. In years gone by he would be out the door, sometimes tradition and respect are just as important as results, we are getting none of those 3 at the moment. Discuss
Swedish Red
08 Oct 2012 11:52:15
Is it true we have only won three matches at home in the league this calendar year?
No. We've won only 2 league home games all 2012.
08 Oct 2012 12:22:07
This statistic is shocking but true!
08 Oct 2012 11:51:56
After yesterday, I still stick to my thinking that Gerrard should play up front in rotation with Borini.
It's almost like he stops all the other midfielders from playing (bar Lucas). I've seen plenty posts calling for Allen to play more upfield, Suso to play more centrally, Shelvey is the new Gerrard, Henderson plays much better in the center, Sahin to play....etc etc
It seems that these cannot happen with Stevie G anywhere in midfield.
We are finding goals hard to come by so why not give him a go up front? I think we would all agree he knows where the back of the net is.
Opinions please
K.Bennett
I love Steven gerrard,but as one of the eds pointed a while ago the other players seem to defer to him in responsibility on the ball still think he has a role to play however...
Paisley's genius
I thought this was silly at first, then I realised you're probably right. He does lose possession too much in midfield his instinct for goal would be more beneficial as part of the front 3, perhaps playing a little deeper than the other 2.
My only issue with this is that Suso and Sterling have been excellent in those positions recently and deserve to keep their place. Based on form alone, really Gerrard should perhaps be on the bench in our next fixture with Allen, Sahin and Shelvey in mid and Suarez, Suso and Sterling up front. I do agree that if Gerrard does play it should be in one of the wider front positions.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 11:51:43
There will always be negative chat on Suarez and Liverpool for as long as he gives people a reason to slate hm. He got some treatment yesterday, thats for sure - and should Huth have been on the pitch after the stamp and the foul ? probably not - Pulis post match interview could have been very different but all of a sudden he has something to slag off Liverpool when Louis dives in the second half... personally I think there was contact as he turns inside then realises hes surrounded by defenders and hits the deck - whatever, the point is he gives people a reason to moan. Its only him that can change this and its going to take a fair few games of him taking some hits and not moaning that will change it. He now seems to have a habit of going down and sticking up an arm as if he's seriously hurt - the stamp yesterday is a case in point. Then hes up looking at a stud mark - yep I bet it hurt but come on Louis, man up. He's a simply outstanding player but he has to address this now or we might never get another penalty !
08 Oct 2012 11:43:54
FSG & KENNY DALGLISH
I honestly never wanted to comment on this, but the tripe and half-truths being written here'r ridiculous. Here's my own points of clarity.
FSG: On the record, I fully am behind the owners. Their approach to the business and long-term vision is something I advocate. They'll eventually deliver for us, in much the same way the chiefs of Borussia Dortmund are doing.
It's gonna take time and patience and mistakes will be made. But, eventually, it will come good.
That said, though, I have two main gripes about FSG. First, the appointment of Kenny Dalglish.
When they first took over, they had somewhat of a vision. This included and was to be driven by a young, ambitious manager with savvy of the dynamics of modern football.
Henry and Werner made a point of stressing this countless times.
Accordingly, all sorts of names are linked. Andre Boasa Villa, Laudrup, Matteo, and many others... all young and promise.
Yet, come summer 2011, staggeringly goes against their own 'vision. By giving Dalglish a new contract, they strayed off their own set course... effectively betraying their own 'vision'. It was monumental moment of weakness where their hearts overuled their heads and gave in to fans' whims.
Sure Kenny had done an impressive job in the interim. He was exactly what was needed at the time: a stabilising and uniting influence. Great job he did.
However, at the end of the season, he should have gone back upstairs, and FSG should have go on with their initial plan and looked forward.
Fatally, their got caught up in the romance and switched off all their logical faculties... all objectivity and reasoning suspended.
This was, in the very apt words of ed002, a "masterstroke of ineptitude".
My 2nd concern about FSG is the seeming lack of urgency in roping in a proper footballing head at boardroom/management level. It needs no saying that Henry and Werner are clueless in the technical side of football. Ian Ayre's no better off.
There's been intermittent talk of David Dein, yet we are seemingly no more closer to a resolution than when they first took over. Why hasn't Henry brought in proper football chief already?
Henry should get in this bloke/lady and let him/her get on with the job, in much the same way ENIC/Lewis and Levy are doing at Spurs.
And keep Ian Ayre as FAR AWAY as possible.
KENNY DALGLISH: Don't we all revere this man? A fine human, legend, son of Anfield and a proper icon.
He is and remains a hero among all Red Brethren.
That said, though, facts and frankness precede all else, indeed reputations and status. There are no holy cows in football.
Football management isn't dissimilar to most (if not all) jobs in essence, and so the incumbent will be held to the same basic standards of performance, effectiveness and efficiency.
Looking at Kenny, he was backed to the tune of over 100m pounds... in two consecutive transfer windows.
How he spent that cash (some est.):
JANUARY 2011
Suarez- £23m
Carroll- £36m
SUMMER 2012
Adam- £7m
Henderson- £16m
Downing- £20m
Enrique- £7m
Coates- £7
So here Kenny was fully and sufficiently backed.
The least that the owners and many expected was that the team would compete and better the previous season's finish.
It wasn't to be like that, however. The team finished 8th, had the lowest points tally and goals scored for years, had the lowest number of wins at Anfield for 'decades', etc.
We went backwards that season.
Given the money spent, that campaign was a total disaster.
And largely to blame for the were the transfers done winter and summer.
I'm sure Downimg, Carroll, Adam and Henderson aren't inherently bad players.
But that's not the question here.
The question is, for £36m (Carroll), £20m (Downing), £16m (Henderson), in particular, are those players the best we could have done? For a combined £72m, were Downing, Henderson and Carroll the best we could have bought.
Weren't there better players at the same fees, or probably less?
My answer to that is a resounding YES. For that money we could have gotten better value-for-money elsewhere.
Kenny bought poorly and paid a dear price for it as, bar Suarez, none of his expensive buys provided VFM.
(Anyone still 'convinced' that Carroll, Henderson and Downing were the best we could do with over £70m are free share their views.)
Anyone slating FSG for 'not spending' are, quite frankly, talking out of their arses. The owners have been more than supportive and been propping up the club and covering their losses from their own pockets.
Currently we are paying for the monumental screw-ups of Kenny and Comoli.
Adam went even before his 2nd yr at the club, Downing and Carroll won't last beyond their 2nd years. Henderson and Enrique are likely to join them. That's over £80m worth of purchases all gone before 3rd year of their contracts. All going at a loss to the club.
Suarez only survivor of 6 senior buys by Kenny.
Sad to say it, but Kenny set us, years.
FSG haven't been ideal, but give them a break.
BARNEY
I agree with much you have said, I think its also worth mentioning that FSG made the funds from the Torres transfer available. They could easily have re-distributed that elsewhere. I only mention this because your post will provoke the inevitable "They didnt invest anything it was all Torres money," from some of the lesser educated and xenophobic fans which sometimes frequent here.
Nevada
Excellent post and I agree with almost all of it. My one point of dispute is Henderson Whilst we paid over the odds for him he will undoubtedly become a very good player for us IF he is played regularly- and in the position best suited to him
Puzzled
I cannot understand why anyone would want to rake over what happened with Kenny and FSG and who did what wrong. Nothing can be done about it unless you have a silver De Lorean and a banana skin. We are where we are. We have a team that is not great but better than 14th in my opinion. BR and the players need to figure out why we are shipping goals (apart from yesterday) and then we might start winning games.
Pompey Red
Banana skin lol! You really paid attention to that film, funny reference.
Nevada
Kenny didn't even buy Suarez...he was already coming in when Hodgson was manager.
GuvTOB
08 Oct 2012 11:44:14
FSG & KENNY DALGLISH
I honestly never wanted to comment on this, but the tripe and half-truths being written here'r ridiculous. Here's my own points of clarity.
FSG: On the record, I fully am behind the owners. Their approach to the business and long-term vision is something I advocate. They'll eventually deliver for us, in much the same way the chiefs of Borussia Dortmund are doing.
It's gonna take time and patience and mistakes will be made. But, eventually, it will come good.
That said, though, I have two main gripes about FSG. First, the appointment of Kenny Dalglish.
When they first took over, they had somewhat of a vision. This included and was to be driven by a young, ambitious manager with savvy of the dynamics of modern football.
Henry and Werner made a point of stressing this countless times.
Accordingly, all sorts of names are linked. Andre Boasa Villa, Laudrup, Matteo, and many others... all young and promise.
Yet, come summer 2011, staggeringly goes against their own 'vision. By giving Dalglish a new contract, they strayed off their own set course... effectively betraying their own 'vision'. It was monumental moment of weakness where their hearts overuled their heads and gave in to fans' whims.
Sure Kenny had done an impressive job in the interim. He was exactly what was needed at the time: a stabilising and uniting influence. Great job he did.
However, at the end of the season, he should have gone back upstairs, and FSG should have go on with their initial plan and looked forward.
Fatally, their got caught up in the romance and switched off all their logical faculties... all objectivity and reasoning suspended.
This was, in the very apt words of ed002, a "masterstroke of ineptitude".
My 2nd concern about FSG is the seeming lack of urgency in roping in a proper footballing head at boardroom/management level. It needs no saying that Henry and Werner are clueless in the technical side of football. Ian Ayre's no better off.
There's been intermittent talk of David Dein, yet we are seemingly no more closer to a resolution than when they first took over. Why hasn't Henry brought in proper football chief already?
Henry should get in this bloke/lady and let him/her get on with the job, in much the same way ENIC/Lewis and Levy are doing at Spurs.
And keep Ian Ayre as FAR AWAY as possible.
KENNY DALGLISH: Don't we all revere this man? A fine human, legend, son of Anfield and a proper icon.
He is and remains a hero among all Red Brethren.
That said, though, facts and frankness precede all else, indeed reputations and status. There are no holy cows in football.
Football management isn't dissimilar to most (if not all) jobs in essence, and so the incumbent will be held to the same basic standards of performance, effectiveness and efficiency.
Looking at Kenny, he was backed to the tune of over 100m pounds... in two consecutive transfer windows.
How he spent that cash (some est.):
JANUARY 2011
Suarez- £23m
Carroll- £36m
SUMMER 2012
Adam- £7m
Henderson- £16m
Downing- £20m
Enrique- £7m
Coates- £7m
So here Kenny was fully and sufficiently backed.
The least that the owners and many expected was that the team would compete and better the previous season's finish.
It wasn't to be like that, however. The team finished 8th, had the lowest points tally and goals scored for years, had the lowest number of wins at Anfield for 'decades', etc.
We went backwards that season.
Given the money spent, that campaign was a total disaster.
And largely to blame for the were the transfers done winter and summer.
I'm sure Downimg, Carroll, Adam and Henderson aren't inherently bad players.
But that's not the question here.
The question is, for £36m (Carroll), £20m (Downing), £16m (Henderson), in particular, are those players the best we could have done? For a combined £72m, were Downing, Henderson and Carroll the best we could have bought.
Weren't there better players at the same fees, or probably less?
My answer to that is a resounding YES. For that money we could have gotten better value-for-money elsewhere.
Kenny bought poorly and paid a dear price for it as, bar Suarez, none of his expensive buys provided VFM.
(Anyone still 'convinced' that Carroll, Henderson and Downing were the best we could do with over £70m are free share their views.)
Anyone slating FSG for 'not spending' are, quite frankly, talking out of their arses. The owners have been more than supportive and been propping up the club and covering their losses from their own pockets.
Currently we are paying for the monumental screw-ups of Kenny and Comoli.
Adam went even before his 2nd yr at the club, Downing and Carroll won't last beyond their 2nd years. Henderson and Enrique are likely to join them. That's over £80m worth of purchases all gone before 3rd year of their contracts. All going at a loss to the club.
Suarez only survivor of 6 senior buys by Kenny.
Sad to say it, but Kenny set us, years.
FSG haven't been ideal, but give them a break.
BARNEY
08 Oct 2012 11:42:56
For out next match we must drop Gerrard and Allen. Gerrard needs a rest and should not be played every game and Allen brings very little to the team.
Ummm who should play instead of Allen? You know another player who plays the anchorman role? Shelvey tried it under Kenny and didn't do very well, Sahin's creativity is wasted in that role (though he can do it) and Lucas is still injured?
It's one thing to suggest dropping players and changing tactics but at least supply an alternative.
Nevada
Allen has been one of the best buys for the club for a long, long time
Puzzled
08 Oct 2012 11:40:16
Never been the match for a few years but got my mates season ticket cos hes on holiday. I wish to comment on the atmosphere, or should I say lack of it. Anyone agree?
08 Oct 2012 12:04:58
Is there anything to shout about NO
The play is to slow and pedestrian that's why every1 is just sitting there waiting for something to happen.also in all clubs true fans and the loudest fans always go to away games that's why every game the away fans are louder than the bored anfield crowd.
Ko
08 Oct 2012 11:17:34
You all so called Liverpool fans should lay of caffeine Rome was not build in 1 day so give BR time and support he needs, and if you think Rafa is solution then think again
No matter what i support my team and am proud to be LFC Fan
YNWA
Arthur
08 Oct 2012 11:36:19
Rodgers is way out of his depth. His tactics are awful, the football is awful to watch, he has made some bad buys), he is falling out with certain players and gets rid of a centre forward with no back up in place. Rodgers out!
^^ Mother of all wind-ups! Where were you when Dalglish was in charge?! Singred
I cant believe trolls come on the liverpool site nd say the football is boring to watch.either the person doesnt know wat football is about or he is tryin to get reactions.pathetic.
08 Oct 2012 11:17:00
We can justify everything in our minds, 'no luck, refs being unfair, lack of strikers' and so the list goes on.
But reality is, 6 points from 7 games, and in no way is this EVER good enough.
The club is just not where it should be, so who is to blame 'team, players, owners, managers'.
There will be ownership change at LFC sooner or later, and with that will come changes (new owners will be swift in doing so) that are DESPERATELY needed, because the club can not continue going this way!.
So your idea of stability is to change everything every 2 years that it does not work?
Have some patience, this is a 3 year rebuilding job which has not even finished the first third of its first year yet. If you were a medical researcher you'd be putting untested medicine out for consumption just because its quicker than testing it.
News flash - rushing does not make things better, not short term not long term.
08 Oct 2012 11:36:01
Why do are fans moan about everything saying we have no luck and everytime we dont win a game we blame the ref, look at clubs like everton they have had 3 goals ruled out that should of stud {spelling} hit the woodwork loads time this season and against wigan on saturday they 100% should of had 3 pens, yet they dont moan like we do have we become that sad that if we dont win games we blame everything but our selves and by the way if you watched the game it was stoke who had the 2 best chances of the game and reina made 2 boss saves. Mark s
08 Oct 2012 11:01:58
The Problem with Referees...
Good morning all, been a long time since I made a lengthy post but todays topic is referees. One which I'm sure many people are...aggreived about to say the least.
We have had a rough ride from referees so far, there is no denying that. It seems like it will never improve, and it likely wont. We all know certain teams seem to get preferencial treatment, especially at home. We are unfortunately not one of those sides, despite the fact that we should never allow referees to decide if we win lose or draw I think decisions have been a little one sided.
You're all gonna disagree with my next statement initially but after reading you'll probably agree. We have to shut up and accept it. Yes its unfair, yes it shouldn't happen but the more we complain about it (club and fans) the worse it will get.
Imagine you're a referee, you make decisions, you get some right, you get some wrong. That is going to happen. All of a sudden a manager of a team (who has never been a ref) complains about your refereeing, Who the hell is this guy that he can tell me how to do my job? Guess what, next he tells your bosses that they are not doing much about this unfair refereeing. Who the hell is this guy that he can tell all referees and their bosses that they not doing their job properly?
See where I'm going? All we are doing is creating solidarity between referees. They are hardly going to get better while we keep moaning, they will just continue as they have so far.
In addition to this, I don't believe its how a fan of this club should act. I have never and will never blame a referee for a defeat. Even if a referee is bad. I firmly believe all results should be within our control even against bad refereeing. If we keep saying its the referees fault then guess what? we dont control whether we win or lose and so it does not matter what players play, how they play. I like to believe we win because we are better, we lose because we aren't. This can be controlled.
Thanks for reading, and comments are always appreciated.
Nevada
Refs need help, we all know that.
at the moment poor decisions,
reward poor defensive play and punish good attacking play.
every sport in world has replays or reviews to aid in getting the correct decision. even snooker has!
the question i`d ask is why isnt there help for the refs?
cause fifa/uefa/fa answers aint making sense to the overpaying fans anymore..
only my opinion..
Dbadger..
I agree with your post 100%
Yesterday for example. For every bad refereeing decision that was made and for every bad tackle that was made by Stoke and missed......there was crosses going in the box from us but no one to get on the end of them.
Gerrard had another poor game, Cole really is useless and I think the most important point is that the best teams find a way to break through stubborn teams like Stoke.
We need to figure out how to do this and quickly
K.Bennett
I agree with the majority of your post mate, I too hate to see that we lost because of this and that, we are building something here that is gonna be special in a couple/three years unfortunately there will be good and bad days, yes when we win hopefully its down to us been better, but when u say we lose its cause we wasn't but I feel we absolutely played Man U off the park a couple of weeks ago but all that hard work was cruely taken away from us by a incompetent referee, now my friend that is hard to take
Simple truth is final poster, had we scored more goals than Utd, the refereeing would be irrelevant. Thats what I meant with that part of my post.
Thanks for the comments everyone.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 08:22:17
do u think we would have a better performance if gerrard plays a deeper position, exchange his role with allen, so allen can go more upwards? seems gerrard sometimes will lose his head, always just pass to suarez, whatever he is in a good position.
08 Oct 2012 10:54:46
i wonder how many of these plastic fans actually watched yesterdays game or are all there judgements based on MOTD?
08 Oct 2012 10:51:43
Allen is way out of his depth at Liverpool as is Rodgers who bought him. He doesnt pass forward, he doesnt create and doesnt score goals. What does he bring to the team?
Allen made plenty of forward passes yesterday and was also found around the opposition box a few times. Think you need to re-watch the game.
If anyone is guilty of being a bad midfielder yesterday its gerrard pass completion in the low 70% is very very poor and its not as if the passes he did complete were beneficial is it? I'm not knocking Gerrard only illustrating that forward passes dont lead to goals either all they do is often lose possession. Nothing wrong with forward passing or backward or sideways passing... when its beneficial.
Nevada
He brings the same as Mascherano did except he doesnt lose possession all the time. Yesterday he broought the same as Gerrard did, arguably a bit more. Also would Allen have lost possession and caused a goal against Udinese like Gerrard did? Nope because he would have played it safe.
08 oct 2012 11:17:09
fact - allen made three, yes three forward passes yesterday. not good enough!
Ricochets excluded Allen made three forward passes. Jmac
The Circus is in town!
and it's good of the Chief Clown to come on and give us a good laugh!!
Lyndon
Next time you watch Liverpool, watch out for a player who intercepts an opposition's pass going forward, a player who breaks up their play and recovers possession for our team. Then, get up off your seat and cheer that guy, shout out well played lad! Then you'll find your self both cheering for Allen and being a fan of football at the same time. - It's not just about putting the ball in the net.
Some people here are really, really thick! Allen is doing Lucas' holding midfield job in - he marked out N'zonzi who was their dangerman in midfield. At least appreciate what his doing for the team and support our guys! Bunch of wind-up merchants and m*rons!
Singred
How many of allens forward passes were completed? How many of Gerrards? How many of Sahin?
No good passing forward if you lose the ball is it.
What was the main criticism of Charlie Adam last year? Too many hollywood passes which didn't reach their mark. Now you're complaining about Allen not doing it?
An accurate pass is better than a hopeful one regardless of direction. If you want Allen to hoof it forward why not have everyone do it... come to think of it why not support stoke or West ham since you clearly treasure long balls.
Nevada
How can you score if you keep passing backwards ala Allen?
08 Oct 2012 10:13:08
The Inconvenient Truth
Several months ago I published a post raising my concerns at what I saw was the over confidence and under education of BR.
I was criticised and it was explained that BR was in fact as dynamic as Shankly, as wise as Paisley and as successful and loyal as Kenny Dalglish.
BR is no doubt a useful coach and footballing man but it is becoming clear that he is so, so out of his depth.
Any manager who has a giant painting of himself on his wall, who adopts the same tactics every game - and who decides to criticise players in the press, is not worthy of being manager of a club such as LFC.
His whole approach is common in business. Its spin over facts, style over substance. Get a big job, make a lot of noise, leave with a big pay off - normally blaming others for failure. He is a decent manager and maybe a nice man - just not one for LFC. There are plenty of young managers who do well in their first season in the Premiership but that does not make Coppell or Holloway contenders for the LFC job.
The thing that really, really impacts upon me is BR's arrogance. Ferguson, Mourniho, Wenger - and Dalglish can have a touch of over confidence because they are winners and have proven it, time after time, after time. As Carra said - Kenny Dalglish has done it BOTH as a player and a manager. When I hear BR commenting that he is somehow introducing how to play football and 'pass and move' to LFC I am astonished. The fact that his own career does not back up this confidence is funny - if it were not so sad. The fact that Kenny Dalglish took on a club in absolute crisis post Hodgson - rebuilding the squad, having two very long cup runs and bringing in young players seems completely forgotten.
If BR had simply said; 'Look, Kenny Dalglish helped stabilise this club and has taken us to two cup finals and 8th in the league and we need just a few tweaks to the squad get more silverware. But we don't have to make huge changes, its a step by step progress' -
Then, I think me and a lot of other people would love BR and follow him and believe in him.
Instead - he is doing what amateurs do when by luck, fluke and bluster get the big job. He is trying to mould everything in his belief, consumed by his own ego. Dalglish, Raffa - even Hodgson, are proper, experienced managers who realised that a journey is achieved with small steps not giant leaps of faith and trying to shape the world to your 'vision' of 4-3-3
The solution, was (1) to appoint Dalglish President or Ambassador (2) bring in a young coach such as BR to work under an experienced senior manager such as Raffa / Klinsman (3) aim to bring Carragher and Gerrard through as coaches and staff, to retain a proper heart and tradition (4) build a united, consistent, LFC - that would move forward. (4) the younger management team to take over by 2014
Whereas Manchester United appoint their legendary and loved Sir Bobby to be Club President, Kenny Dalglish is dismissed like some Premier league also ran. Yes, he signed some players who have under delivered. So do Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho. He was also without his three best players for huge parts of the season too. So to throw away Kenny Dalglish was a hugely wasted opportunity.
Instead -we know what is going to happen now.
I cannot see BR, his limited strategic approach and methods and signings having any impact. I'm sorry - but its true. The team will struggle through October and November and the squad will lose belief. ("who are we following again?"). A slight unease in press and ex-players will turn into a full on crisis - and there will have to be changes before January. You know it. I know it. The players are feeling it. And the owners are smart enough to know when they've made a mistake and they will act quickly. Business people work in quarters - and if you're in a big job for 6-9 months with no positive impact, then there is only one way things will go.
My bet would be that Klinsman (or A.N. Other) will be in by xmas to lead the team till May and then to become DOF next season. We will end up having limited runs in all Cup and about 12th in the League.
Its going to be messy and tears before bedtime.
Again.
LFC will be OK. LFC will recover and rebuild - and with the talent in the Club, LFC will rise again - and we will be back where the Club belongs.
Its just that BR - is not the man to do it.
Drew
So you're just angry that BR is not Kenny?
Look we all love Kenny, but it was obvious that he wasnt the man to take us forward. He threw away that FA cup with his team selection, he made bad signings and paid a lot of money for them. Most of all he did not seem to understand modern media and how to handle it.
I wish we could've had the Kenny that won us the title, but time and age changes people. Accept BR is our manager and at least give him the time that Hodgeson got. You all want him fired before he's even had 10 games, what happens if the next manager does badly, fire him right away? and the next and the next? because they all would do badly, you know why? this team cannot be fixed in 2 games. Accept that no matter who is in charge we are liekly to be a work in progress for 2 years at least.
There is not a single manager in the world that could fix us quicker, the portugeezer chickened out because he knew it was impossible to get instant trophies, in fact EVERY major manager ruled themself out for that very reason. BR had the balls to take it, give him a little credit and a lot more time.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 10:43:53
Drew, what a brilliant post. Agree with almost everything you say. Well said!
Gonna be honest, i stopped reading when i realised you cant count to 5. Get a clue mate. Rodgers will be great for us. LFC deserves better fans than you. Im guessing you've just finished school, couldn't get into college and cba to work so you thought you'd troll the LFC page with your limited knowledge. Thanks for your time, but this isnt the right page for bitters like yourself
YNWA! (Adam)
Couldn't disagree more. You are obviously a KD supporter. I think he was wonderful and served the club well. I also see that we are playing some terrific football now and we are slowly building a good squad. Read the Tomkins blog on the LFC web site. This gives a much better perspective on the current position. BR is doing well in my opinion after only 7 league games. Even Roy asked to be judged after 10 games. I think we will need to look at BR after one season and then see where we are. Bringing in another manager at Christmas would be folly. In fact I don't think we all know what will happen but I think we can all see that we are going in the correct direction.
Kev1950.
Accusing BR of arrogance due to sticking to his beliefs is quite ridiculous, such confidence is necessary when you are charged with the responsibility of taking a club as big as ours back to the top.
You may have a point about tactical naiivety though, I am not sure, but AVB refused to adapt his tactics at Chelsea and did not do well. Also, your arrogance must be on par AT LEAST with BR's after you claim to know the future and the solution to all of our problems, while most of it is in hindsight.
Furthermore, with all the unrest we've had in recent seasons, and apart from Kenny's signings I wanted him to have another season, Brendan's reign has to be on of longevity and stability and I really do believe he can be successful. I think you should give him a lot longer - as in the end of the season - and maybe then your incredibly assured remarks regarding BR being unsuitable for the job can be brought up again.
Until then, please be a fan of Liverpool Football Club, and support the team. Really does make it a lot better for everyone.
Jos
08 Oct 2012 10:56:03
Give the man a chance. If BR has not taking the team forward in two years time then it may be time for a change.
Liverpool FC needs stability now. The last thing it needs is a change of manager.
Br is setting out a new style of play, he has introduced atleast 5 new players to the team and most are under 22, he has had to shift a lot of over paid and over rated players most of them caused by changing the mangers too frequently over the last 3 years.
We need stability, the most successful teams keep their managers long term or have loads of money. Not sure we have loads of money so we need to keep BR long term to build his empire.
Steve068
08 Oct 2012 10:57:51
Nevada a man with a bit of common sense...
Drew, your post hit the nail on the head, without being offensive to BR.
But there are some who post on here, and they will generally be very young, as the only ones with time on their hands, who don't understand some of the concepts, such as maturity in a professional succesful sense. We all thought we were mature when we were under 25, but it doesn't really sink in to them.
The sheer size of response was indicative enough that your truth inconveniently hurt some of their cherished hopes.
And it is hope, because there is no evidence that BR can be successful, and lots that he cant. Lets hope not the latter, but fans should be able to point out weaknesses. If the manager can slag off players in public......
It was a budget decision, and fsg got a budget controlled coach who is learning how to manage at a big club. Never a great combination. Jmac
Drew - what a ridiculous post. It seems that you do not like Rodgers and you love Dalglish. So you sit down and write your post to fit in with your predetermined view
Puzzled
08 Oct 2012 13:41:11
Excellent post
Thanks for the posts and comments.
Just to be clear, I am business consultant who has worked in UK and overseas - including international sports management (though not football). I'm not interested in ad hominem comments - so will not make them and will not respond to them neither.
I do care for LFC.
Yes - I do love Kenny. And LFC. And, as a business project, to retain the character of the whole LFC brand, I think he deserved to be treated better and that would have helped transition to a new manager. No, that does not mean that there is no life outside of his reign.
Yes - BR is likely a decent coach. No, he has done nothing in his career or to date within LFC that has convinced me that he has the potential of being a great leader or manager, or a winner.
Yes Dalglish won every major honour as player and manager. In the season he was dismissed he still took LFC to two more finals than Man U, Arsenal, Everton, Spurs and Newcastle. No, BR has nothing to convince me he is any more than a decent jobbing manager for hire a la Hughes, O'Neil, McCarthy or Jol. But he is a good salesman...
Yes - the 2011/2012 squad needed tweaking. Less so than 2010/2011 but still, work to be done. No, Downing wasn't a good signing and Adam could not settle. But Suarez, Carroll, Henderson, Coates and Enrique are all very decent signings (who will have dips in form and need coaching).
Yes, young players from the academy such as Shelvey, Suso, Stirling, Kelly have been developed, less not forget, mainly through the work of Rafa & Dalglish. No - they were not discovered or coached by BR. And no, I'm not convinced by Borini, Sahin or Allen.
Yes - managers should have strong views and aspirations. No - should not criticise players in the press so publicly when they themselves have not proven their strategy and tactics works and they are trying to build a new spirit. BR's comments about Carroll and Downing betray the maturity of an amateur.
BR could have been a brilliant young LFC manager working under an experienced DOF. But no. He was too arrogant to accept that - and stupidly FSG let him take control of a complex V12 supercar needing some work - when he only has a provisional licence.
I am sure BR is decent person and I have nothing against him personally. But like a lot of young managers, after some initial success, he is over confident and under educated. Therefore he is the wrong man, in the wrong job, at the wrong time. I see nothing in any comments within this forum to convince me otherwise.
When you have poor planning, poor tactics, poor results and you are unwilling to change your management approach - there is only one thing left for you to do:
You hope... That is what a lot of you are really doing. You're hoping BR is the new legendary manager. You're hoping his signings are inspired. You're hoping the results are just .. temporary. Hope and other emotions can cloud the facts..
And hope is NOT a strategy...
Drew
While I think you illustrate your points well Drew I think its a little unfair to call BR uneducated. This is a man whose been to caoching schools in every major league and who is constantly invited to training with V. Del Bosque and the spain team. He also speaks a number of languages fluently. That all does not strike me as an uneducated person both in terms of football and outside of football.
I don't hope, I try to be objective in my assessment of anything including liverpool. As such I try not to let my own affection for the club confuse my evaluation of players or managers.
From what I've seen i believe that given time Rodgers will prove to be a good choice. As for the fact that he has achieved nothing, well how is anyone supposed to achieve when they are not given the chance to? Do you honestly expect that he should win the league with Swansea before a big club should consider him? Kenny had not acheived anything as a manager when he first took over but I bet you weren't calling him an amateur and wanting him out due to inexperience.
Nevada
Thanks Nevada,
Kenny Dalglish first took over as player-manager in the ruins if Hysel. His credibility was that he was the playmaker and striker during Liverpool's greatest period. And after that, we know what happened on and off the pitch. On the pitch Dalglish built a wonderful team - of Barnes, Houghton, Aldridge. And off it, he is bigger than football - and showed the heart he had for the fans and the City.
He answered the call again, when the club was in the ruins of post H&G and Hodgson. He had to sort out Torres, get rid of the dross and at least create a team that was competitive. He got LFC to two Cup Finals and 8th - whilst rebuilding the team and building some good football. He ,made some mistakes and some poor signings on the way. Show me someone who does not.
BR does not have a management pedigree or history. He was sacked from Reading by Madjeyski - one of the shrewdest and sharpest business people in the UK and took over a Swansea side build by someone else. The media like him because he is a modern manager, easy with interviews and PR. That does not make him successful, just media friendly.
I do not think it has impacted on Sir Alex Ferguson that he has a gruff manner and cannot speak languages.
So far, BR has shown to me; potential to stick rigidly to a tactic (4-3-3-), to bring in players he knows (rather than coaching those in the squad) - and despite what we do and do no know, he let Carroll go without a decent replacement being signed. He was in charge. And an ego that stretches to paintings on the wall of his lounge. The latter, is not a minor point. It reflects hubris and over confidence and ego - and that is my problem. Over time - that will catch him out with a squad that is actually more experienced in pressure, big matches and dealing with top class players.
If he was working under a DOF and not so adamant with his 'way' , then he would be making things easier for himself.
Time will tell. But his egotistical approach, his lack of genuine big club experience, and a lack of results will only lead to one outcome.
Drew
08 Oct 2012 10:12:57
The club desperately needs a proven , outspoken manager who has that killer instinct and would go for trophies from the off rather than showing his PR skills and smooth tika taka bulls**t to keep his job..
The supporters and the club are so starved for success and so desperate that we are clutching at straws like a win against norwich,young boys etc and 10 passes in our own half as brilliant signs of what is to come ..
while the truth is even after spending 30 million , forcing a 35 million striker out without a replacement , talking tiki taka but reina always howling the ball forward,
falling out with players (Enrique,downing,carroll), etc it doesnt really seem BR has done any good ..
Instead of dealing with problems in-house and protecting players (%2
08 Oct 2012 11:19:49
Adam you are a bitter man. Drew is correct in everything he says. Get real.
08 Oct 2012 10:02:46
Suarez is not a disgrace. His dive towards the end of the game was embarrassing, but I think that was more out of frustration than anything else. I'm sure that Rodgers has already had words with him about it. Huth stamped all over his chest and he gets nothing.
08 Oct 2012 10:46:11
I'm sorry, but anyone who dives the way Suarez does is a disgrace to football and should be punished accordingly.
To second unnamed keyboard warrior: Everybody dives. Even Gerrard, Beckham Lineker have dived, players you associate with honesty. It happens.
Suarez was diving out of frustration yesterday in my opinion, he got nothing from the refs all day and probably wont for the rest of the season. I'm not excusing his actions as in my opinion players shouldnt dive but it does explain his actions. Give him a break its not bad enough the whole league and referees are against him now his own fans are?
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 11:51:30
Hey Nevada you my friend are clearly clueless, that dive was an embarassment to our great club, we seem to be the laughing stock of football because of our less than average players and Suarez diving just makes us more comical, we have hit rock bottom pal but at least things must only get better, that is if we dont get relegated
Jimmy Chew
I actually feel sorry for suarez, the poor lad gets nothing from referees, the thing is I feel that and I hope it doesn't happen but I feel possibly the best outcome for luis for him personally would be to go to another club in Europe because its obvious to me that some person on the fa have told them not to give luis any type of decision, I honestly feel that in one game not very far away he is going to get seriously injured, the guy has no protection whatsoever, it's an absolute disgrace, people are harping on about his dive yesterday, I don't condone diving and he should of been booked for it, nobody in any of the papers have even mentioned bales dive, mirallas dive sat, jelavic, the trouble is luis is been judged even before the game starts, yes he dived but surely the stamp was far worse, I remember last season Chelsea v Barcelona, all game drogba just fell over but did get slated no he got praised cos apparently that's how you beat the likes of barca, one rule for everyone and then the luis Suarez rule, the biggest farce in football= the F.A, ynwa
Jimmy Choo - I did not say that I advocate diving, I only said that villifyng one of your own players for something which plenty of players (Gerrard included) have done before is the real disgrace. If you hate diving this much then you should hate football because everyone does it.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 13:15:07
It's Jimmy Chew and not Choo for a start.
Nobody is as disgraceful as Suarez
Jimmy Chew
Not even John terry mr chew?
I'm aware of how to spell Mr.Choo, I was making a shoe based pun.
Ronaldo was easily as bad as Suarez, and the worst diver of all time is most definitely Robert Pires. Suarez just isn't as clever at hiding his dives as other players.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 09:59:07
We score less goals under rodgers then under kenny. He has the worst record for a liverpool manager breaking all the wrong records again will only result in the SACK.
Did we sack kenny after 7 games?
We creating new history
08 Oct 2012 09:57:13
How many more poor results will Rodgers get away with. The red sox sacked their manager and he might join him.
I'm not sure but I don't think Brendan's into baseball
08 Oct 2012 09:51:17
Brendan Bodgers is a joke. He is a crap manager and will soon be found out. One win in seven he must think he is at reading again. He should never have signed Borini he is crap just like his tika crapa tactics. 10 million is a rip off just like signing Allen for 15 million. He shoud be judged by results and we are 14th its almost laughable he got rid of Andy. If Suarez gets hurt we will be in a relegation battle. If anything we have a worse squad then last year he is taking us backwards. He should put his tika taka rubbish tactics where the sun don't shine. One win in seven is not acceptable maybe it was at swansea but not here. The owners wasted 8 million to get Bodgers then gave them another 15 million for a player who can only pass the ball 5 yards sideways. I think he will be sacked in a month.
PORK CHOP
So you don't like his tactics? What tactics do you like? Perhaps you'd prefer good old fashioned English long ball tactics. Perhaps you prefer Rafa style safety first tactics where you pack the midfield and defense and leave one striker on his own and aim for a 1-0 win at home. Maybe you prefer Jose style score a goal and defend like crazyefor 85 minutes?
Let's clear something up, Rodgers is not playing tiki taka he is simply re-implementing the pass and move philosophy for which we were famed before houllier turned us into a long ball counter attacking side and Rafa turned us into a team more concerned with not losing, than winning.
Nevada
Spot on Nevada couldn't say more to that
With you nevada
Paisley's genius
08 Oct 2012 09:42:36
I read most of last nights posts before I watched the extended highlights on sly at 10.30, and I was expecting to see half our team playing woefully. I thought almost everyone played pretty well. The main thing I bought was that Stoke are a total disgrace. They should have finished with 8 players, by my reckoning. Absolutely shocking. Surely Pulis must be embarrassed by that.
As for us, I thought Wisdom played an absolute blinder, I really did. Hardly put a foot wrong all game. Brilliant positioning, great on and off the ball. People slagging SG off, I thought he was average for him, but difficult to give him too much grief, he was ok.
We need 1 QUALITY goal scorer in Jan. we are crying out for one, and have been since Torres left. Carroll didn't work out, so get another one! I hope that the club have been flat out since Sept 1st trying to nail one down. I'm no football genius, but how obvious is it?!?
I guess I just wanted to say 1/ Stoke are an embarrassment to football 2/ we played ok again, and Wisdom is looking special, and 3/ WTF is up with refs this year?
Nick
I was there nick Andre "Norman" wisdom was excellent outstanding for one so young stoke were appalling in their tactics & it's not just sour grapes as I would happily see city utd arsenal or swansea batter them football wise, people in this country bemoan the lack of progression in international football (could not care less myself to be honest) & yet eulogise about managers of pulis & allardyce ability,they were praising pulis on motd,Rodgers is attacked for trying to play positive football of high technical quality & pulis is praised only in England no wonder the Spanish, Dutch & Germans look at upon us in sheer bewilderment....
Paisley's genius
I watched the whole game and felt very similar, there was little I could criticise. Gerrard was below average and gave the ball away a lot and I think suso for Cole was a mistake but beyond that, no criticism. Yesterday was also the first time this year that the back 5 looked solid.
Stoke are a tough team to beat, they're never gonna beat many teams but they are hard to beat themselves, even the best teams in the league struggle to break down stoke.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 09:24:23
Don't want to sound like I am banging on the same drum of 'there's a conspiracy against Liverpool' but we seem to get the roughest ride from the media and refs.
All I have heard about since yesterday afternoon was Suarez' dive and how embarrasing it was (and I am not denying it was).
However, how the hell has Bale got away with his pathetic attempt at a dive yesterday. It was so obvious he actually looked embarrased when he realised there was no contact from Guzan but he had already gone down. Despite this he has got hardly any stick from the meida and MOTD just laughed it off last night!
Secondly, why has Huth's stamp on Suarez not been highlighted more in the media to condemn him. He purposley stood on Suarez' chest and gets away without even a booking! No call for the FA to review the footage or no questions aimed at Pulis after the game about what he thought of it (but Pulis still managed to have a go at Suarez and his dive).
Just feel we are getting a rough ride as usual but the likes of Aston Villa and Lambert are getting away from the fact they have ad their worst start to a Prem season ever.
One p***ed off Red.
Jay
Spot on mate couldnt have summed up my feelings better.Tommy irish Red
Totally agree, also thought that Brendan Rodgers should have condemned Stoke/Huth's tactics because that's what it is, a tactic they purposely go out to stop you playing at all costs. The Referee and then post match Rodgers let them away with it.
Tony Pullis uses match of the day to give us all a lecture on fair play? Laughable
Managers like Tony Pullis are what's wrong with football in this country.
Don't think you will ever see any World Class youngsters coming through their Academy?
kidmillions
Catch a grip,both bale and suarez "got it" on motd,saurez is in the media today not because he did anything different from bale,they,re both a disgrace,but because of tony pulis,s comments,the aston villa manager didnt comment on bales dive,btw,are the mighty reds now on the same level as aston villa?,you would soon be complaining if the media where to see villas poor start as more newsworthy than liverpools,
The difference is Bale tried to dive out of the way like Gerrard did a few years back and got a pen out of it
Suarez did dive, but he was fouled and it wasa penalty, he only dived becase he realised the ref wasnt going to give it if he didnt go down
08 Oct 2012 09:20:28
Right don't get me wrong I love watching Suarez play but I think we should sell him in the summer and buy a proven goal scorer because right now he is playing in that goal scorers role in the front three and its not his game he likes running at players and its great to watch but when he does that it then means there's no one in the box to finish it off ( if he actually passed the ball ). We could stick him out wide but I don't think he would get back enough for me unless BR can find a way to fit a proper forward in there with him I think he needs to be sold unfortunately
Mat lfc
08 Oct 2012 10:00:49
Absolutely right Matt, he is an embarassment to this club, disgrace to the shirt, everyone is laughing at us which is the usual nowadays
In an absolutely awful game ( when is it ever a good football game with stoke ) Thought Suarez was Man of the Match as he worked his socks off to try and make things happen, again with no protection from the officials.
kidmillions
Whats disgraceful is that the whole league is against suarez and now some of his own teams fans are?
Who is the leading goalscorer in the team? Who has created many of the chances we've had? Who is fouled more than any other player in the team?
Think about the answers to those and then tell me you still want him gone.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 11:56:24
Nevada yet another clueless post from you, hey I have an idea, lets all praise Suarez for diving because he has scored a few, even though he embarasses this great club lets applaud him because he scores a few, he scored a few, he scored a few.
Clueless, absolutely clueless and anyone who likes what Suarez is doing is not a true red, WE ARE NOT THAT TYPE OF CLUB - CHEAT
Rob Anson
Did you read my post? I did not praise his diving. I simply said that attacking one of your own players is disgraceful especially when he has contibuted the most goals and chances to our team. I don't advocate diving at all, but I also don't advocate attacking your own players for something everyone does.
Why aren't you complaining about Gerrard diving? he does it you know. As do many of our team. You cannot single out one for criticism whilst defending the others.
Nevada
People slating suarez go get a life.these are the same people who say standing on a players chest is a minor incident.
"rob anson"
Okay so your saying that anyone who likes a Liverpool player is not a Liverpool fan. THAT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE.
AnfieldUSA
08 Oct 2012 09:17:48
Mr Rodgers would you please leave our football club and take your awful, boring tactics with you. Thank-you.
And then what? who will come? what he will do? its not a movie where you change stuff in a minute.grow up and support you team and MANAGER in BR we trust.
Not happy? go support chavski or citeh YNWA
One win in seven 14th in the league Rodgers will be lucky to have a job in a few weeks
Another nameless post by another personic fan (actually i wouldnt call you a fan) you probably came on here last week after we trashed norwich praising rodgers cant u see what he is building here ..... once again your an person
Boring tactics hmm. i wonder wat is interesting stoke city style of play.absolut p*** post.
08 Oct 2012 09:16:36
Sorry to say this but this this ticky tacky football is awful. It just proves it yesterday when the ball was played back to Reina on a few occasions after being played around at the back and he made a hash of the clearance. Brendan you are out of your depth at LFC. Bring back Rafa.
Tell that to Barcelona!
Cuchulainn's Hounds
Yeah bring back Rafa he will play attractive football. Eds why you even bother to post the comments like that?
Bring back Rafa? A man who only had 1 season of attractive football. We were terrible to watch under Rafa, some of the dullest football we've ever played. Might have had 2 trophies but lets be honest if we didnt have Gerrard we wouldn't have those trophies.
Gerrard is far more responsible for winning those trophies than Rafa. It was rafa who dropped Hamman for the champs league final when he shouldve started (evidenced by the fact we were much better when he came on in second half) it was rafa who decided not select Peter Crouch for our second champs league final when he was our leading scorer in both league and europe. Rafa was the man who forced out Xabi Alonso.
Rafa is given too much credit by fans on here, he made more bad decisions than good.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 09:15:04
I went to the game yesterday and I thought we played well. One thing Rodgers must do is drop Stevie G, he gave the ball away so many times and as list the power he once had.
Mighty reds
I think Gerrard should be used more sparingly rather than dropped. He should be benched for every other game allowing Shelvey to play in his place every other game. It would allow Gerrard to be rested and make sure he is able to make the right impact rather than looking like tired legs. It would also allow Shelvey to be bedded into the first team.
Red Wisdom
YNWA
Jonjo Shelvey is available next game so i would expect a bit of a re-shuffle in the midfield. Not saying SG should be dropped of that he will be but just watch this space....
Mike in leeds
I agree with Red Wisdom. Stevie cannot play every game like he used to and needs to adjust to a new role.
Nevada
08 Oct 2012 09:04:26
Suarez is a disgrace. His diving was embarrassing. For the good of Liverpool Football Club Rodgers should come out and say that he will have words with him and do something about it. He must be the most hated player in the Premiership.
Good morning mr pulis
In that case all the managers hav to talk all the squad players nd tell them to stop cheatin be it diving,intentional foul,leg breakers,lung puncturing so on nd so forth,whos goin to talk to refs to improve their game by their standards they have to banned after every game
08 Oct 2012 09:02:05
FACT: Allen made THREE forward passes all game yesterday. What does he bring to the team?
Balance,composure,&continuity excellent player
Paisley's genius
He is there to receive and distribute the ball. To always be available. Basicaly, he's there for continuity and to set the tempo. And he does it very very well. RED LENIN
Thought Allen had an Excellent game, your looking in the wrong direction...
We need a top class forward to play alongside Suarez and a goalkeeper.
kidmillions
08 Oct 2012 11:11:44
im guna watch the game again purely because you said that. I dont believe your "fact" FACT
WBD
Allen is no lucas and we really miss lucas
Those three forward passes were well thought off nd executed not just long hopeful balls
08 Oct 2012 08:16:36
Im looking at the next home games as a chance for the lads to get a win now, and i hope the refs improve yesterday was a joke.
rb
Do u think the result would be differ if allen makes ten, or even twenty forward passes?
A guess allen makes no impact. 15 million poorly spent
08 Oct 2012 07:59:37
I was at the game yesterday and I can honestly say tha the stoke team is woeful. They are a dirty tackling and hoof it team that is impossible for anyone to play against. It was generally a bad game. Tony pulls cannot dare comment on Suarez diving which everyone around me saw as being a joke and laughed it off, as it was clear that he hadn't dived to win a pen and just did it . Stokes tackles were disgracful and once again the referee was useless. How many two footed and off the floor tackles can a team get away with and not even get booked for them. If pulls wants a set of words to the fa then whatever I couldn't care less, but he can look no fury ether than that Huth stamp on Suarez which was awful, but the fa will turn a blind eye just as they will to rvp but will probably charge tiote for nothing. But that is not my concern.
It's the fact that people just don't like us
Beanlfc
Where's Tommy Smith when yer need him!
The English premier league is fast losing its appeal due to the pathetic FA and biased officiating. Aguerro was spot on when he lamented the plight of non- English players. Sad to hear Tony Pulis' comments! Pathetic really. In the end onlly 6 yellow cards for his rugby players. Crude tackles , oopen feet, stumping, pushing! and he calls himself a football coach. To make it worse pathetic media houses that look the other way and fail to condemn Stoke players!
It's never your fault.
I was at the game, stoke are truly the most awful side since allardyce's Blackburn,Dean whitehead is a sub-prime robbie savage stoke are quite simply the epitome of everything wrong with English football thuggish,cynical & vindictive revelling in their own peculiar brand of ignorance of which Tony pulis is the demagogue in chief & merely one of the puppets to the gepeto at old Trafford.......
Paisley's genius
08 Oct 2012 07:40:02
Where is the 12th man?
Gone to lunch. Be back in 30 minutes.
Cuchulainn's Hounds
08 Oct 2012 06:31:29
Sorry to say but come january i think its time to cash in on suarez, hes to greedy on the ball and just fluffs to many easy chances.The diving around and the refs already having his cards marked before he even get on the pitch. I say sell him and bring carroll back and bring a real striker in with the funds of the suarez sale. I think BR doing a good job were just missing a real goal getting striker !
You obviously do not support LFC or you do not understand the game. Pity you have no appreciation of our players efforts, and you echo sentiments of oppositionn managers who fear him and what he can do - and are bent on discrediting him. Some journalists and/or media houses are always looking for a slight mistake to condemn him but fail to condemn those that seek to break his legs and cause him bodily harm week in and week out? Did you think we should sell him after his performances against Norwich, Udinese etc. He is a top class player and even All we need is a good striker just as good if not better than him.
Wow what a person every time sqarez gets the ball thers expectation he is gonna do something unexpected he has silky smooth skills and would walk into any team in the land and u wanna sell him and bring back one of k.k donkeys get real
His strike ratio proves he is not a top class striker, and the diving is just embarrasing, cmon on then fella how many goals did our top class striker get last seaon.cmon smell the coffee.
His chance conversion ratio is poor but so was Henry at arsenal. scored a lot of goals but only scored just under a quarter of the chances he was given, its a similar ratio to suarez.
08 Oct 2012 03:34:32
I have been told that whilst FSG are not actively looking for a buyer-'the word is out that they will consider any offer for LFC as they are feeling that they just cannot make any money. Seems silly because another bit of money could turn us into some team. I wasnt too suprised to hear this but just passing it in
DB9 {Ed002's Note - That is simply not how business works, sorry.}
Ask any business man if they expect to turn around any failing company in 2 years they will tell you no.
It's often the case that when investing in a failing business you would not see a profit for 3-5 years so your assessment of FSG is an uneducated one.
Really bad post or just wishfull thinking.
Return on Investment (ROI) usually calculated over 5 year period using a prime value factor(PV) 12% or 10%.
So lets put it to you this way, the owners will not fork out lots of cash within the 5 year period, this does not mean they won't make money available for spending and buying of quality players. It is therfore critical to spend wisely.
I believe FSG will be the owners of LFC for many years to come an BR will be our manager for as long as the owners feel he is part of the solution for success.
AWS
08 Oct 2012 01:55:11
Ed2 honestly do you think Rodgers will get another season if our bad form continues {Ed002's Note - I expect the results to get better. If they don't then obviously the club will look toward a resolution for the problem.}
Rodgers will hang around for a long time FSG have no where else to go!
Why cant most of our fans realise that BR is the best news to happen to LFC for a long time. Good football, guts, faith in those that are the better of the lot, and this is his first season and I am positive that results will improve, and we may even better last season's 8th place finish. We just need to improve on our conversion of chances and better officiating of games. At least agains Stoke we did not concede and that is a massive positive.
Well said to the poster above, But also i feel for Rodgers as all the managers before him had substantial amount of money available for transfers, he hasn't really so he has been forced into playing the kids, although they have not done anything wrong they will struggle to play all the season as we are currently in all the cups and will no doubt have injures as the season goes on, but on the positive side J.Cole is back Downing looked good against Udinese and its a matter of time until we have our anchor man back in Lucas.
BigD
08 Oct 2012 01:42:36
Ok , so another decent game by us i thought with the usual result that we again failed to score the goals our current play is deserving .
I actually try to be fair - no matter how much i hate losing or even drawing (especially at home ) and give credit to the oposition IF they put in a good performance and deserve something out of the game .
BUT ....i cannot and will not give any credit to what i consider the leagues biggest bunch of thugs that i saw today .
Nothing against Stoke as a club but their play is appalling - i say play but in truth they make no effort to play the game of football .
How Huth was not red carded is just unbelievable let alone some of the others . Just red Pulis' comments and i think he's clearly tried to deflect the press onto Suarez and not as it should be ...on his own teams tactics.
I really thought the longer it went on that someone was cetain to get a serious injury ...the referee was a disgrace but then that's no surprise is it ?
Ok so Surarez might have done a "delayed dive " - can't really blame the guy though having been kicked all over the park can you - and how come none of the journo's reports on the Spurs game seemed fit to mention the most blatent dive seen in years by Bale .
I mean DID YOU SEE THAT - not only a "bigger" dive than Suarez but in that instance he must have known he was actually trying to get the goalie sent off ...now THAT is despicable !
Have to say i like watching the way the team is playing - actually playing teams off the park like we used to expect in the old days . But christ when are we gonna get even just a little bit of luck ?
Sorry for the long post ...but this like therapy
Oh shut up and stop whining
08 Oct 2012 00:59:46
All the the team can do is give it everything they have until January and hope that they bring someone who can get in the box and score the goals we are missing.
If as were supposed to believe, Dempsey was the forward we missed out on, do you really think that type of addition making the difference?
Given that Suarez is likely to start, and Assaidi and Borini are Rodgers signings where exactly is the other forward going to play.
I believe BR wanted cover for injuries and suspantions, and maybe even a slightly different option up front, but Borrini has been brought in, and him and Suarez I think are the plan.
We need to be sensible here, we are not in the Champions league and we are not going to be next year, by Xmas Chelsea, City, Utd and the gunners will be in those positions and will stay there. Which proven regular goal scorer are we really expecting to sign?
There are teams willing to pay a lot more than us for pure mercenaries. The future is with our youth.
The future is the youth, however you have to have experience so the kids can develop, as you said we are not gonna get in to the top 4, but the problem i believe is that the owners don't want anyone over the age of 27, because of a resale value, however we need to focus on players that want to play for the club and understand what the club stands for, however look at Utd they payed £25m for V.Persie at the age of 29, yea its expensive but he will no doubt win Utd the league or trophies and keep them in th CL which will pay for his price tag, that is what we should be doing we need players that will get us in the CL first and only then can we start looking at the higher profile players.
BigD
07 Oct 2012 23:25:45
Firstly let me say i will back brendan . However as a fan ive earned the rite to give my opinion .
We do not need another sticker. We need a plan B. Our plan b is playing for west ham.
Why would br buy a sticker. He will never play two out and out stickers at any time. Its always 4 3 3 which we all know is really 4 5 1. Yes one up front.
He sold 3 of our 4 stickers and bought 1. Borini for 11m. Yes 11m.
So what makes us all think we need a goal scorer. We spend big on one and play him out left. Would be buy Joe hart and play him left back?. Its a results game and a simple game. So no need to complicate things brendan . Until you realise we do not get extra points for have 66% procession. 2 home wins in the league in 2012 is shocking it is also relegation form.
Should i fear the worst.
I am a Liverpool fan so i should expect the best.
It hurts to say it but i think Brendan may have 5 more league games to save us as fans and him as manager from dooms day. And in reality out only easy game is home to reading.
Just like home to wigan wba aston villa have all been easy games in 2012.
Do i know the answer No. But i am not manager of lfc. Does Brenda know the answer . I pray to god he dose. Liverpool is li
Are any eds starting to worry.
Yours.
a sober glass is always half full.... Well sometimes it is.
Marker.
Ps. Well done pepe . A clean sheet.
Many people having a go at u. Me included. So keep up the good work.. Sometime the international break comes at a good time. It has for us.
Still marker.
It's a great point and everyone seems to miss it, he has spant a lot on Borini, and he has Suarez so where exactly is the plan to fit another forwrad in? We have to trust he has a plan, but in all honesty if the plan was Clint Dempsey then I find that a bit worrying.