Liverpool Banter Archive November 08 2017

 

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08 Nov 2017 17:46:00
Ed1 if your around buddy would like another insight into a player after our little chat re hendo recently.

Sturridge - Is he going to be around for long? I personally get the impression he is robbing a wage from the club in regards to the actual amount of game time we get from him whether because he's not fit or injured due to being made of glass.

Anyway always thought he was class but if we can't get him on the pitch for me we need to clear him off the books.

On another note a little insight into the guy himself, turned up to do a school chat at my kids school with the kids and some food project they where doing, came with a load of other gents all in the same matching tracksuit, refused to wear an apron and refused to talk the children at an assembly and would only address a maximum of 4 kids.

Spent most of the day trying to flog his mums food sauce.

On the flip side Kevin Kilbane was there working for some TV channel and his was in a full suit rolling round playing football with the kids and couldn't do enough to engage with them!

Bit of a side story but thought I would share!

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{Ed001's Note - if he can't step up I expect him to be moved on in the summer.

Sad story that, sadly it has become typical of the difference between Liverpool and Everton. The arrogance of our players is astonishing at times and the decent lads always seem to be the targets of abuse. While Everton try very hard to engage with the community, which is why Koeman was such a terrible appointment for them, as he was an arrogant tit who would not get involved with the community projects at all.}

08 Nov 2017 19:24:51
I always heard Studge was up for this type of thing? disappointing if true 😟.


08 Nov 2017 19:33:17
Always thought Kilbane was an ok guy. I’m appalled that a Liverpool player, any player, would be so arsey. Very poor behaviour.


08 Nov 2017 19:37:03
Woah, I always thought Sturridge was one of the better players off the pitch? A real shame he's actually like that with fans.


08 Nov 2017 21:49:09
Thanks as always for the reply Ed.

Shame the disconnect with the local people grows. Some good people left and hats off to EFC.


{Ed001's Note - it is not a difficult thing to fix either, that is what bothers me. Only takes a little bit of effort on the club's behalf, but that would require someone giving a toss in those roles.}

09 Nov 2017 03:41:57
Hi ed001, I disagree that just because Koeman is not engaging in community project he is deemed arrogant. As far as I know the central Europeans like Germans and Dutch keep personal and professional life separate. They will not wan to do in their "office" things that are not stated in contract so as to prevent exploitation by employers.


{Ed001's Note - I really don't care if you disagree, Koeman was an arrogant prick and has been everywhere he went. It was a symptom of his arrogance and nothing to do with your racial stereotypes at all. You clearly do not know enough Dutch or German people if you think that. I have worked with a lot of Dutch out here and they do no such thing as keeping things separate. Quite the opposite.}

09 Nov 2017 06:37:22
On a similar note was speaking with someone who works with lfc’s charity said and had nothing but praise for Milner, said he puts loads of effort into engaging with local community even organising free events for local kids. Added to that is meant to be a great lad off the pitch and very respectful.


{Ed001's Note - I have to be honest I have never heard anyone have a bad word to say about him as a person.}

09 Nov 2017 07:18:20
i will add to it and it may riff a few up on here but i haven't had anyone say bad word about Milner as player either in my circle.

I have always been a fan and i think he is a far better player than he is given credit for, esp at the Liverpool pages. I for one definitely feel better when Milner is in the team regardless the position.


09 Nov 2017 08:49:22
Hope that's a one off or a misunderstanding, I've only heard good things about his work in the community and with youth.

As for the other part Studge is making a full contribution this season, he's been available for almost every game and he's got goals and assists when selected. If he wants to leave for first team football then I wish him all the best but if he's happy being a squad player I wouldn't think twice about keeping him.


10 Nov 2017 06:09:35
Agree with Putney to be honest. I've heard Sturridge is great with the community normally. Seems like an anomaly to me.

I also agree that if he wants to stay he shouldn't be forced out the door. He's a great personality around the squad, liked by everyone at the club, great with the youth players, and he scores goals. He has scored a goal every 147 minutes this season. Can't argue with numbers like that for a player who is being used as a sub most weeks.

If we want to compete with teams like United and City we have to be able to look to our bench and see quality options like Sturridge. Depth is what makes the difference. Burnley have a good starting XI, but if they lose 1 player to injury the well oiled machine coughs and splutters. City have Jesus, Sterling, B. Silva and Yaya on the bench most weeks. United Will soon have Ibra, Martial, Mata and Herrera. For once this season, we could potentially have a bench as high in quality as Sturridge, Solanke, Lallana and Can.

This is what will put us back on the map. The only reason Sturridge leaves for me, is if Ings or Origi are considered to be better players by the start of next season. If not, Studge shouldn't be going anywhere.


10 Nov 2017 06:11:39
The problem with sturridge sitting on the bench so much is I think he really needs regular game time to be effective. His game is more about touch and quick feet (especially now he’s lost his pace) and it feels like he needs game time to be sharp.

By contrast it feels like Solanke or Ings can probably come off the bench and be immediately effective as they’re more about poaching and being in the right place at the right time.

Besides that, he’s class enough I’m very happy if he stays fit and we keep him.


08 Nov 2017 15:12:35
Hi eds, Would Jose Gimenez be a player Liverpool could potentially look at in the January market considering he would be a free agent at the end of season? Sorry, if this has been covered before.

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

Champ Man Legends: No 1 - Cherno Samba

08 Nov 2017 14:10:54
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Champ Man Legends: No 1 - Cherno Samba

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08 Nov 2017 14:59:09
Haha great article, Ed001! Very entertaining from start to finish! Amazing

Red Sandman.


08 Nov 2017 14:59:09
Haha great article, Ed001! Very entertaining from start to finish! Amazing

Red Sandman.


{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, depressing though to research and see how his career died a death.}

08 Nov 2017 15:56:07
Do you think things could of been different for the lad if he would have moved to us Ed? Or was it simplyk that he was not good enough? I sometimes wonder whether key moments on a players life (and in fact all our lives) dictate the sort of paths they take, was this the case for Cherno?


{Ed001's Note - I feel he was a bit of a Freddy Adu, physically developed at a young age, so looked way ahead of his actual ability. I think we actually got lucky not getting him.}

08 Nov 2017 17:05:57
Brilliant article ed cheers!


{Ed001's Note - thanks Br glad you enjoyed.}

08 Nov 2017 17:27:59
Im currently in 2074 and his regens regen is my biggest rival manager.


{Ed001's Note - 2074?}

08 Nov 2017 17:36:26
Thanks for the article ed, sad how it all turned out for him.


{Ed001's Note - very sad.}

08 Nov 2017 17:36:42
Do you think that some of these players are older than they say, Freddy Adu its hard to argue, he looked 20 at the age of 14.


{Ed001's Note - it is not easy to get away with that in the UK or USA, they are not like Taribo West, who was about 12 years older than he claimed. You have to have documentation for immigration etc as a child that would be difficult to scam. They just mature quicker. Some people do, I remember an ex-gf who was a Maori girl was telling me that NZ had an advantage in youth rugby as Maori males physically mature much younger than British males tend to.

I am not sure if that is true overall but there is certainly some children who physically mature much younger than others and so have a major advantage. They are usually ones who fail to make the grade later in life though, in every sport, as they tend to put in less effort because of their advantage.

There was a report I read about drafts in (I think) the NFL which showed that none of the first round draft picks had been top rank high school players. It is the late bloomers that tend to surpass the early bloomers due to having to work extra hard to make up for their disadvantage. I believe that is all that happens with players like Adu and Samba. They were both more physically developed than other kids their age.}

08 Nov 2017 19:29:38
The Samba story is a great example of why there needs to be more protection for young players. Not a clue what form that should or could legally take, but if a 14 year old is being told he's great and is having promises of money tossed at him of course it's going to effect him. You wonder how many "failed" careers this has contributed to.

Champ / Football Manager vs. real life is always a subject I find interesting. Whilst it's improved a lot in recent years, those games are usually an exercise in exploiting the match engine quirks more than football knowledge.

Aside from the fact that he was genuinely highly rated at the time, part of the reason Samba was so good in CM 01-02 was the match engine puts a high weighting on physical stats for centre forwards, which pushed him from "good" to "best player ever to exist". Giant French striker Armand One (Google this guy, he's massive. In all dimensions), a journeyman who spent most of his career in the Scottish lower divisions, would also turn up scoring goals by the hatload in that game.

There were also issues when Sports Interactive hadn't got as good a grip on the data teams working from abroad as they have now. This resulted in the "Super Swedes" in CM01-02 (Bakirciouglu, Lunden and Selakovic) and most famously, the entirely fictional To Madeira, who a Portuguese data editor added in to see would anyone notice before retail release. Spoiler alert: They didn't.


08 Nov 2017 20:13:15
Loved this article Ed. Got to re live the memory but a very sad story all the same.

Thanks

Crooky.


08 Nov 2017 21:02:17
Nikiforenko and tsigalko bossed that game although I'm not sure if they're real players?


08 Nov 2017 22:35:23
They're real, lerchy. Tsigalko was capped twice for Belarus. Presumably the Belarussian or Eastern European data teams got a bit overexcited about the potential of their young players.

Madeira's the only outright fictional CM player I ever heard of.


08 Nov 2017 20:58:37
Great article eds, but with your backlog in a international break I was expecting/ hoping for 1 a day at the very least 😃.


{Ed001's Note - I will do my best, though that would still mean the list was going up not down!}

09 Nov 2017 05:02:53
Cheers for the reply Ed, also interesting how physical advantages early on can actually become disadvantages long term - I remember we signed that giant of a teenager (Emeka Obi) - hopefully he does not follow a similar trajectory.


{Ed001's Note - fingers crossed, but the omens are not good. It is one of the reasons England and Scotland fell so far behind internationally was the constant decisions to recruit based on physicality at a young age. Recently there have been hundreds of studies based on this. A lot purely regarding how having a late birthday in an age group hinders a child's chances of making it in a sport because they are always a few month's development behind early births and that makes such a huge difference at young ages.}

09 Nov 2017 08:49:25
Good book on that - Outliers I think it was, by Malcolm Gladwell. Bounce by Matthew Syed is also good read

Sad story on cherno and a good read, thanks Ed. Hope our current crop of talent in the academy can avoid the pitfalls but it’s clear that very few really get to reach their early potential for one reason or another. We also need to make sure we give our lads the right framework and bring them through when we can, no point in bringing them to the edge of the first team then letting them stagnate.

To be fair, Klopp has done well giving chances to TAA and Gomez, hopefully Woodburn next.


09 Nov 2017 15:31:39
That's pretty interesting Ed and does make a certain amount of sense - makes you wonder at some of the potential that has slipped through the net because of this. Are there signs of this approach changing in the UK or is youth recruitment, and youth performance, largely reflective of physical development as well? If it's still the case we will be destined, as a nation, to continually fall short.


{Ed001's Note - it really varies from coach to coach and scout to scout, as well as club to club. Some still have not moved past the physical aspects, others have. One of the teams England put out in the summer, at the older age group (I think it was U20s) did look to be physically stronger than the rest when they won. To be honest, I never saw any of the others to know, as I was too busy when the matches were playing. That doesn't mean, necessarily, that they were picked or won because of it. There were certainly quality players in the group who would have been competitive no matter what.}

08 Nov 2017 12:26:20
One for Harry if you're around (or anyone else for that matter) .

You say that we have to keep Coutinho at all costs despite him not wanting to play for us. But let me turn it around.

If he was playing for Barcelona at the moment, and had stated publicly that he didn't want to play for Liverpool, would you advocate spending £100+mill on him? Or would you want to spend that money on someone else?

Cheers in advance.

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08 Nov 2017 12:49:11
We have signed many players who forced their way out from their previous club! I am not going to judge a player based on a 3 mts video interview.
We are not in a position to loose a player of Coutinho’s caliber. The club stood firm in the summer and you lot allauded the club. I know why you feel a bit confident now! Salah is scoring goals and we have looked better. If it was for the other way around you would be pleading th club to keep him regardless of what he say! I am far too immature to ignore his undoubted quality on the pitch. Top scorer for the last two seasons.

I ll keep him until I am very sure on who we bring in as a replacement. Unfortunately I don’t think we would get anyone of his quality in January.

But I think I ll give up. The amount of stick he has taken from posters from last two weeks he deserves to go!

One injury to Salah and I lll see who you look up to! Coutinho is not a fringe player. He only improves the team not the other way around and when you sell a starter you always loose the quality.


08 Nov 2017 13:11:44
I don't think you got what I meant.

If Coutinho was playing for Barcelona and told Liverpool that he didn't want to play for Liverpool, would you spend £100+mill on him or would you walk away and say "Ok he doesn't want to play for us, let's buy someone else"

Because that's essentially the position we are in, he doesn't want to play for us and we can get £100+mill for him. So i would rather have £100mill and he be playing for Barcelona than not have £100mill and he be feigning injury for Liverpool.


08 Nov 2017 13:36:49
I understand what Harry is saying, but I think if you take our front 6 squad (players who can play midfield / up top) without coutinho we are still good on paper. obviously still better with a form coutinho but our players would still compete with most top sides in my opinion.

If sturridge and one of origi / ings/ firmino leave in the next couple windows along with coutinho a quality striker in a similar mold to firmino maybe more of a striker with similar qualities such as Jesus.

My overall point which is simply undeniable that we need to sort out the defence and I think coutinho is the player that wants out, we can recoup a huge sum and we are in a position where arguably we don't need an immediate like for like replacement and we therefore can use the money hopefully to sign the mystical top defender who sorts our problems.

I'm not sure who that player is but I can understand this way of thinking certainly. The argument being coutinho out top defender in would improve the overall capability of the team to get results.


08 Nov 2017 13:42:37
I Think the time has come to let him go now, it’s clear he isn’t happy still and his performances are not what they were. I’d even go as far as saying let him go in January if the money is right, with or without a replacement. I actually think we are just as dangerous without him and for me the front 3 of Mane, Salah and Firmino are more important for us right now. We will see Adam Lallana again very soon too and the Ox is putting in some good performances too so we certainly won’t be light on numbers.


08 Nov 2017 13:49:55
Harry, there comes a time where even world class players become detrimental to their teams. Coutinho this season, has either faked injury, or not played like he is fully committed.

It's a quarter of the way into the season and he has barely kicked a ball for us. He doesn't care. We are sitting on a £100m+ asset, and it is currently dead money.

I'd rather see him sold, and reinvest the money, than just keep him to sit in the stands. Never cut off your nose to spite your face.


08 Nov 2017 14:36:26
Coutinho is our best player, and has been good when playing this season also. don't know how people can say he plays soo poor, i guess people are just mad cuz he wants to go, so the argument that he isn't playing well is beeing thrown out so it makes it better when we again are selling our best player.


{Ed001's Note - no, it is because he has been poor this season, I think you need to go back and watch him again. The amount of times he wasted possession deep in our half was ridiculous.}

08 Nov 2017 14:52:49
Salah coming in and how he's performed has made Coutinho look bang average at best this season, he's offered nothing. Stoupid its not about been mad he's going its more mad on how he has behaved since the summer. It really makes me laugh when people say he is our best player, no chance. Mane, Salah AND Firmino are all better then he is. I wish somebody could please tell me what he's done for us this season? Nevermind backing him up, have a valid point to why your backing him up.


08 Nov 2017 15:09:57
Coutinho should leave the club before he starts affecting the atmosphere of the dressing room. I think Isco or Asensio are the best replacements.


08 Nov 2017 15:30:20
I can't believe it but I'm agreeing with Harry. We will keep him until next Summer.

I fully expect a huge public push by Barcelona in Jan. It looks like Messi isn't gona sign a new contract and so might leave next Summer so they will be leaking rumours of new signings, talks etc etc wholesale to cover themselves. To be the president/ director of football that loses Messi could lose you your job.


08 Nov 2017 16:00:46
You only have to watch the spurs game back to see how poor he’s been and to back Ed 001’s comment of loosing the ball deep in his own half!


08 Nov 2017 16:06:01
Curious ed001, do you think if he leaves that we will be a better team? It’s a strange concept, that a situation like this could cause disruption in the dressing room. Do you think that’s the case? It’s a big distraction IMO, and the sooner it’s gone the better. I’ve been clear on this since summer by the way.

I honestly think we could sneak up and have a really good season (2nd or 3rd, unless Citeh have a huge blip) .


{Ed001's Note - when a player feigns injury to avoid playing and then gets back into the team, it disrupts things. Especially whoever loses their place and his friends are going to be annoyed. If he comes back in and stars, then people will forget it and accept the decision, but when he comes back and is crap then it causes problems. He was the latter, whining, refusing to play simple passes as he just wanted to throw himself to the floor to look for free kicks, turned over possession repeatedly and played for himself. That is never a good thing. If it was Marko Arnautovic would be being fought over by the likes of Barca, Madrid, PSG etc rather than having the option to battle relegation at Stoke or battle relegation at West Ham.

Couts is a disruptive influence. Anyway, any player who feigns injury to avoid playing should be treated with the contempt they deserve. I have far more respect for Mascherano, at least he just went on strike so we knew he was a dick. Couts is trying to pretend it is all the fault of the club, when he is being an arse.}

08 Nov 2017 16:40:45
Well put Ed001 mate.


{Ed001's Note - thank you C.}

08 Nov 2017 16:43:29
If it was Marko Arnautovic would be being fought over by the likes of Barca, Madrid, PSG etc rather than having the option to battle relegation at Stoke or battle relegation at West Ham.


Sorry ed but not sure what you mean here?


{Ed001's Note - I thought it was fairly obvious I was saying that if whining, diving and giving away the ball repeatedly were a good thing than Arnautovic would not be at a struggling club.}

08 Nov 2017 18:07:12
Totally agree Ed, I've been slagged off elsewhere for wanting Coutinho gone asap, especially as he's not the player he once was (probably find it again after his move) but we just need to get a deal that is right for us, so we can use his fee to really help us!


08 Nov 2017 18:03:59
Ed is completely correct. I was one of those who said steadfastly that Cou should not be sold and it was not until Klopp was done with him and wanted rid then I backed Klopp as he decides. I was thinking he would sulk a little bit and then get his head down and do the job.

Alas, that has not happened and frankly things have gotten worse. Cou was a shambles vs Burnley, playing as if he was on the pitch on his own and only passing to Firmino and no one else. He then came back and scored some good goals and helped us beat LC on the road.

Now, it seems he has completely "mailed it in" (U. S expression for downing tools) to the point of feigning injury. I will no longer defend such shananigans and anyone who does that should be ashamed of themselves. Salah has come in and flat out replaced Cou in our system as he is a more complete player than Cou as he can play anywhere upfront including in the no. 10. He should be sold and this should be done with. end of story.


08 Nov 2017 19:56:24
Lol I actually get it now ED just needed a comma between was and MARko haha my bad.


08 Nov 2017 20:04:48
It’s a difficult one. The club stood firm in the Summer and said no, if he’s sold in Jan the owners will be seen as soft. Then there is the issue of what message does that send out to the rest of the squad. If you want to leave, spit your dummy out and throw your toys hard enoigh our of the pram and you’ll get your own way.

On the flip side you have a player that fakes injury in order not to play for the club, then plays for Brazil, again what message does that send out to the rest of the squad? Not good and I’m sure he’lll be playing for Brazil against England!

Like Ed001 said it’s disruptive and as Ed002 said, he doesn’t want to be at the club or play for LFC.


09 Nov 2017 00:04:50
the thing is that if we do keep Couts till the summer transfer window, then we will have 3 maybe 4 big clubs willing to spend big money to get him,
but till then, what do we do with him, if he is not putting the effort in .


08 Nov 2017 19:02:39
Ahh right Ed, still don't get the first sentence but your explanation clears everything haha, cheers man.


{Ed001's Note - you were right it was my fault I did miss out a comma, apologies. I was rushing and never checked my grammar. It is difficult to spot things like that when you are using a phone to edit, which is why I don't normally reply much when I am on it. I hate making errors like that, sets my teeth on edge.}

09 Nov 2017 08:41:50
Nailed it Stoupid! He has only played 4 games so far. Scored 2 and assisted 2 yet he is crap! He wants to go so they want to make him look a crap player!


09 Nov 2017 10:32:19
Thats just a lie, Suarez wanted to leave and nobody ever suggested to let him go because he is crap, no one is saying coutinho is a crap player, if you really think Coutinho has played anywhere close to his normal level then you're deluding yourself, he has been nothing but selfish and a bad influence, faking injuries and acting like a victim. Spare me the nonsense of him being world class or whatever, he simply isn't for us this season, playing for himself knowing no matter what he does Barcelona will still come for him and that he would still be picked for the Brazil national team. To think Luis Suarez is much more of a professional than Coutinho really really tells it all.


09 Nov 2017 19:45:30
The fact that Suarez was more of a professional than Cou currently, is a scathing indictment on Cou as a player and those defending him, are a complete disgracing and embarrassing themselves.


08 Nov 2017 10:14:49
Ed02, if you are anywhere near your phone. Please tell me Phil is not going in January mate. Please!

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{Ed002's Note - I cannot senseibly say when he will actually leave but Barcelona would be open to making an offer in January.}

08 Nov 2017 10:31:09
Thanks mate. I hope we reject any offers in January!


{Ed002's Note - He wants to leave. He doesn't want to play for Liverpool.}

08 Nov 2017 11:07:19
I hope we accept offers in January and he goes, the sooner the better. What’s the point in keeping a player who feigns injury so he doesn’t have to play for us.
We should have sold him in the summer!


08 Nov 2017 11:14:46
I don't get this clamouring over a player that doesn't want to play for us.

He has not been good this season at all, save for a couple of wonder moments that only come when he looks like he's trying.

We need to move on from him and look to the future as the future does not have him in it.

If he were to leave in January then fine, it's not a big loss to lose a player who looks like he's not trying and doesn't want to play for us.


08 Nov 2017 11:41:51
We HAVE to sell him in January! Makes zero sense keeping him as he doesn't want to be there. Get Max Meyer in and we are a stronger team imo.


08 Nov 2017 12:26:21
Agree with the others, he must go but I don't think we need to rush into getting a replacement in January, priority has to be a solid CB. We can manage without Coutinho until the summer quite easily, he is 1 player we have a group of great players and personally I'd love to see more of Woodburn, flog coutinho and give him a go and if needs be then we get a Coutinho replacement in the summer.


08 Nov 2017 13:06:29
courtinho WHO? think the rest of the liverpool squad are more important than someone who dosnt want the privilege of wearing the Liverpool shirt again.


08 Nov 2017 13:43:49
Get over it Harry.


08 Nov 2017 13:55:00
I'm with Harry, he's probably our best player and if he can be convinced to stay we're better off.


{Ed001's Note - no he is not. Salah is.}

08 Nov 2017 14:12:57
Agreed Ed001, Salah is definitely the better out of the two.


08 Nov 2017 14:25:48
I remember in the summer my mate laughed at me because i told him Salah was potentially world class. 19 goals and 15 assists in his last season at Roma.

A quarter of the way into the season he has 12 goals and 4 assists. At that rate of return he could easily score 40 and assist 10 across all competitions. His potential is scary! Bearing in mind he looks better when Mane is playing, and we've yet to play most of the bottom half teams in the league, Salah could have 25 goals by Christmas! I am so excited for what his future here might hold.

Coutinho has never even threatened to be the best in the world in his position. Salah arguably already is, and he's getting better.


08 Nov 2017 14:33:36
when mane gets back to his best, which usually don't take long, we potentially have 2 players better than coutinho that would give everything for the club.

when i say better i mean contribution to us winning. coutinhon is a fantastic player but if he wants to go, let him go.


08 Nov 2017 14:40:53
Couple months ago most people said we overpaid for him. Just saying.


{Ed001's Note - and? What a pointless post.}

08 Nov 2017 14:43:35
If coutinho wants to leave then he can but we need a replacement, id get in for brandt or lemar before the y get pinched. The quality of the player is too great to let him leave on a whim. That said we are struggling in midfield for creativity and i do feel something needs to change as we have too many engines AGAIN. A cheap but disciplined defensive mid in january would work wonders, add in a centre back bought with the coutinho money and we'd be in good shape.


08 Nov 2017 16:23:01
Ed, on current form you are, of course, correct but form is temporary and all that. I don't think Salah's been here long enough to earn that accolade yet.


{Ed001's Note - I don't see how length of service is relevant at all, otherwise we would still be picking Dalglish as he was wonderful when he was on form and it is temporary and all that right? Salah has been our best player this season, only Mane and Firmino are in any kind of competition for that accolade with him this season. You can't suggest a player who would prefer to pretend to be injured than play for the club that pays his wages is the best player.}

08 Nov 2017 17:42:59
Mane is the best player.


{Ed025's Note - not much between him and salah for me farmer, i would just side with salah up to now but mane is excellent i must say mate..

08 Nov 2017 18:07:00
Cou should leave LFC, ASAP. I defended him and the club for not selling him BUT he has completely betrayed that trust. And NO, he is NOT currently our best player as Salah, Mane and Bobbie are currently better than him. You cannot be our best player if you refuse to play for us.


08 Nov 2017 17:52:25
Nobody is bigger than the club and this has been highlighted through many years at LFC with many a player to leave and not many having success after do so!


08 Nov 2017 17:54:30
Of course time has to be considered otherwise we'd have a new best player after every match. I whole heartedly agree he's been our best player this season but that's not contradictory to the statement I originally made. Couts has consistently been our best player for three years, it takes more than a purple patch for one player and a dip in form for another to change that. If Salah keeps this up all season then we can speak again but right now Couts is still the best player at the club.


08 Nov 2017 18:06:06
If we are going on length of service then Flanno must be up there with the best 😁.


{Ed025's Note - at what exactly?..

08 Nov 2017 21:04:43
Firmino tries hard but doesn't score enough. Would he be better at cm like lallana? Think they would compliment each other well.


09 Nov 2017 00:09:40
I only hope that Couts doesn't go to Barcelona, they are still up to their dirty tricks, next thing it will be Messi who will be saying all good thing about him,


09 Nov 2017 19:49:15
No he would not, Lerchy. Bobbie's skill set is best used at the CF position cos when he drops deep, he leaves enough space for Salah, Mane, and Ox to run into. He cannot do that if he plays the no. 10 role. This is quite a simple concept to understand BUT for some reason, people keep moaning about how he needs to score more as if that should automatically erase all the great things he does, Typical myopic thinking.


08 Nov 2017 09:39:24
Hi eds if Coutinho was to leave in jan, or over the summer who would you like to see as his replacement? I personally like the idea of Mahrez, he can be deadly, so quick and can just glide past players

Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - Max Meyer would be a decenty option.}

08 Nov 2017 10:35:22
Dear god no, far too inconsistent, horrifically lazy when it comes to defensive duties and I just don't see him as anywhere near good enough to replace Coutinho.

Personally would like to see our youth given a chance to fill the void, but if we are to sign a replacement my shouts would be one of Meyer, Fekir, Pulisic, Douglas Luiz or Halilovic.


08 Nov 2017 10:41:59
Is max available eds.


{Ed002's Note - There is a lot of interest in him, at the right price and if the move is seen as the right one by him he may well leave.}

08 Nov 2017 10:51:03
Scarface you say no you wouldn’t won’t to sign him then add him to your list of who you want 🤔.


08 Nov 2017 11:03:28
Thanks eds.


08 Nov 2017 11:07:52
He was talking about Mahrez in the first part.


08 Nov 2017 11:09:44
Longthing, I assume Scarface was replying to the Mahrez comment in the post rather than ed002’s suggestion.


08 Nov 2017 14:50:52
SGRed and Mushroom are right, I was talking about Mahrez.


08 Nov 2017 18:08:17
Not for me, Ed. Max Meyer is not good enough. Brandt is miles better than him and even I don't think he can replace Cou right now even tho, he has great upside.


08 Nov 2017 22:11:43
I believe Meyer will be com8ng as well to be honest. He’s nearing end of deal as well. As people have said Brandt is also still wanted so could sign both. Those two and Keita would be good additions to our midfield/ attack.


08 Nov 2017 08:14:39
Ed002, just read on another page that Gonçalo Guedes is somehow related to Liverpool.

From what i can see, the poster never took your advice to ask here so if you don't mind, can i follow up his question?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you have read, sorry. Regardless, it is nothing to do with Liverpool - perhaps a typo on my behalf.}

08 Nov 2017 10:30:52
Person on the Euro page I think wanted a player profile done for Guedes, ed002 asked him to ask on the Liverpool page for a profile, hope that cleared that up.


08 Nov 2017 11:15:08
Cheers anyway Ed. Bobcat is correct, that was the instance i was referring to.

In hindsight, perhaps you only suggested asking here because it is where Ed001 is most likely to see it, and he dies most the profiles.

Thanks for replying anyway. Looking forward to your Sharkopod in the next few days. Mainly because you'll probably have Johnny Cash and Nirvana in the background 😂.


{Ed002's Note - That was indeed because all of the profiles are being conducted via Ed001 and the Liverpool page - Liverpool don't have an interest in all of these players that the profiles are being done. The Sharkopods will be blitzed next week I think - I will try and get four or five done.}

08 Nov 2017 11:35:37
Cheers Ed. You back home now from your travels? If so kick back and have a glass of champagne 😉 enjoy your time with Sparky!


{Ed002's Note - I am indeed at home for a while thanks.}

08 Nov 2017 11:52:36
Good to hear! Hope you enjoy your time at home and get to see some family or friends; assuming rodeo clowns have family 🤔.


{Ed002's Note - I have wives and children.}

08 Nov 2017 12:08:53
"wives" 😂 best get all the DIY jobs done then or you'll have a hoard of WAG's after you! Cut the grass, put that shelf up (the one you said you'd do 6 months ago), re-grout the bathroom tiles etc.

Oh wait; i think that's my to do list!


08 Nov 2017 07:57:23
Morning Ed 1

You mentioned we might no see Couts play again, especially if we look to off load him in January.

Firstly I really hope the club gets every penny we want from him and don't buckle under pressure.

Do you think we will look to replace him or re invest in other areas of the squad? We've played ok without him, all be it against teams of not such high quality.

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{Ed001's Note - Klopp wants to replace him.}

08 Nov 2017 08:27:01
Not sure replacing Couts in the Jan market is such a good idea. The replacement obviously has to be a very good player at least and clubs do not want to sell their best players mid season. Last thing we need is a big money panic buy.
Smart thing would be to pay RBL a little extra and bring Keita in January itself. He will bust his gut to get us into the top4 so paying another 10 million will be cheap change compared to the riches of the UCL. Then we can replace Coutinho in the summer when players actually have a better chance of moving coz let's be honest, Monaco and Leverkusen are not letting Lemar or Brandt go in January.


08 Nov 2017 09:38:47
Indian, We bought Suarez in a January Window. It's not impossible but will be difficult.


08 Nov 2017 13:13:14
In fact, we signed Suárez, Sturridge and Coutinho in January transfer windows. Not bad those 3!


08 Nov 2017 18:10:14
It is not impossible BUT awfully difficult, RedEka.


08 Nov 2017 06:59:49
Hi guys, Morning. Question for the Eds or anyone else who has an opinion.

Looking at the last three games, they weren't the highest quality teams but not bad, do you think the boys showed enough that we have turned a corner and the team has started clicking? I mean, we did what was expected imo. ok west ham away isn't that easy. I'm really hoping we have. I see a lot of positives atm. Obviously salah is scoring for fun, firmino playing brilliantly, the Ox coming to life and scoring a couple in the last fortnight. Klavan has been pretty solid since he came in, Moreno playing much better. All this without couts (Who I feel may never play for Liverpool again) and Lallana. (I hope i'm wrong about PC

So back to the question. Have Liverpool turned a corner and started clicking or are we going to seriously struggle when facing teams with any real class. We are right back in the UCL mix. not far from the fourth spot and not impossible to catch the leaders.

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08 Nov 2017 07:36:49
I'll sit on the fence and say a definite maybe.

The performances have been good, we've started scoring as many goals as our performance warrants but there's still a few niggles.

West Ham had two or three good scoring opportunities which, had they taken them, could have changed the course of the game.

Basically progress has been made but there's more work to do.


08 Nov 2017 08:31:44
yeah, i'll go with that Putney. I am glad that klopp has shown alternative tactics, when people were accusing him of being a one trick pony. I like the look of us with three CBs, I dunno, it just feels safer seeing joe Gomes back there with matip and co. We have the PERFECT wing backs for that too.

We done arsenal with ease. We need another big win. Chelsea or Seville. I have said this about every game I think but those two games are season definers, win them and we are flying, lose them and we are in deep trouble.

Can I just say how good it was to see Mane fit. what a boost he gives us. Id rather have Mane on the left wing than Coutinio.


08 Nov 2017 08:33:42
You Saw how easily WH produced chances out of nothing, and how much problems we had defending Them. Take into account that they weren't organized and at the moment WH are on course for relegation. We haven't turned a corner, the opposition has just been poor.


08 Nov 2017 08:36:18
I always maintained there was no worries anyway. We had an insane fixture list. If you look at the table we are level on points with Arsenal and Chelsea who have both had slightly easier fixtures than us, and still managed to lose more games. We are now right on United's heels as well and they now have to play all the top half teams against whom, they can at best hope for draws and a couple of 1-0 wins under Jose.

I will put my head on the block and say we'll be in the top 4 by Christmas and win our CL group. City and Spurs are the only teams in the league who are better than us. I reckon we'll do both of them at Anfield anyway. Aside from that, i fear nobody though.

Klopp is showing signs of adapting and the pace of Salah, Mane and Chambo on the pitch together was frightening. I'm not sure if anyone noticed for Salah's first goal, but Chambo sprinted about 90 yards (went past 3 West Ham players) and at the last minute he ran diagonally across the box to pull the last defender away from Salah. He literally bust his gut to get there and then made a completely unselfish run at the end of it so Salah could score. Without touching the ball he was crucial to the goal.

With us having players who can break like that and be so clinical at the end of it in terms of decision making, we now have a weapon we can use against the big teams. We can sit in and then hit them ferociously on the counter. Couple that with the dominance we've shown against lesser teams this season and we could very easily extend our current run to 10-15 games unbeaten. Aside from Chelsea we now play the likes of Stoke, Bournemouth, Swansea, West Brom, Everton and Brighton. We are good enough to win all 6 of those games. The lads have to stay focused and not get complacent of course, but i can definitely see us climbing the table in the next 2 months though.


08 Nov 2017 11:23:43
Redfuzz, this West ham just won 3-2 vs Spurs prior to us. They are no slouch.


08 Nov 2017 08:58:38
RedFuzz, you talk as though we should not allow opposition teams to even get shots away!

No matter how good you are defensively, you cannot protect your goal all game every game. A slip, and slight positional error, a piece of quality from the opposition etc. can lead to a chance. Even with United playing 6-3-1 they still rely on De Gea three or four times a game!

There is a reason why all teams play with Goal keepers. West Ham had one clear cut chance and they took it. They had about 3 half chances which were either saved or missed. We had about 10 other chances aside from the 4 we scored. The reality is, not every chance goes in. If you say "West Ham had enough chances to score 4" you also have to say that "Liverpool had enough chances to score 14".

It's a nonsense argument. You can't completely stop all teams from getting any chances. You can only reduce the chances and put a decent keeper in the goal to stop most of the chances you do give away. You're in a dream world if you're expecting us to dispatch all comers without conceding a shot.


08 Nov 2017 13:02:15
I think its too early to judge but there has been positive signs and if we can get on a run for the 1st time this season, we could climb quickly with things as tight as they are. 4 points off second after a very inconsistent start and hardly had Couts or Mane and Lallana to return. Who knows the possibilities from here?


08 Nov 2017 18:14:49
I agree with you completely, MK. I will agree with Putney that progress has been made BUT a lot more needs to be done and I'm sure Klopp knows that and the good thing is, he takes nothing for granted cos he knows how things can change with one defensive mistake or one chance missed. Let's just keep our heads down and keep chopping wood and surely, things will continue to click for us.


08 Nov 2017 04:51:04
Hi eds, been watching the Anderlecht team. I do feel they are brimming with young talent. But one guy who particularly caught my eye was Leander Dendoncker. He plays DM but he could just be as adapt at CB role. What you think of this player an this suitability to LFC.

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{Ed001's Note - he is an excellent young player, the only question about him is whether he is ready to step up a level.}

08 Nov 2017 08:18:29
We should have signed Tielemans from Anderlecht last summer. He looks a magnificent player to me.


08 Nov 2017 08:27:47
Tielemans has been extremely poor this year for Monaco should of stayed another year like Dendoncker, Leander if he is able to make the step up would be perfect for us.


08 Nov 2017 08:29:28
He is like young version of Nzonzi. 1.88m.


08 Nov 2017 18:18:46
Harry, you mean the same Teilemans who can't get a game at Monaco and when he has played, he has been poor? Clearly, you have been watching his old games from Anderlecht cos he has been dire this season. He has not made the step up from Anderlecht as many had thought so it is understandable to be skeptical about Dedoncker being able to make the step up cos he was Teilemans' deputy and he is struggling mightily at Monaco right now.


08 Nov 2017 03:24:28
HI MKS,

there is a request on the Euro Soccer site from a Chelsea fan for you mate. Regarding the article you wrote about LFC U-23s.

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08 Nov 2017 08:02:30
I'd love to do that. Chelsea have arguably the best academy in the country. It's where we stole Brewster from!

I'll try get it done over the weekend if i can. Can you let KTBFFH know at all? It wouldn't let me reply to his post. Every time i clicked the button it reloaded the page and jumped to the bottom.


08 Nov 2017 08:07:09
I have let him know for you.


08 Nov 2017 08:37:37
Cheers mate.


{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome mate.}

08 Nov 2017 11:49:52
Ed002, if you are willing to comment it would be much appreciated. I can do independent research on players in the Chelsea academy and do an overview on their strengths and weaknesses. However i have absolutely no Chelsea links to talk to about who is really expected to make the grade. As i don't watch them regularly either, i won't be able to accurately pick out any stand outs except maybe Hudson-Odoi who I've seen for England.

I know you have a minor interest in affairs at Chelsea, so have you possibly heard any names mentioned of players at Chelsea (under 21 years old) who you would say absolutely stand out from the crowd, that i could focus on in my article? Even just 2-4 names.

No problem if you don't, i just like to consider well informed opinions when writing about these things and find your insight to be second to none. You told us years ago about Meyer and Ake, for example.


{Ed002's Note - Ampadu, Hudson-Odoi, Hazard, Cole Dasilva, Chalobah, Gilmour are those I can think of right now that are playing regularly, but much is expected of others as well.}

08 Nov 2017 12:05:28
Brilliant 002! Sorry for asking you so many questions this morning by the way. It just dawned on me I've asked you about 3 or 4! Your replies are genuinely appreciated.


{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

07 Nov 2017 20:22:46
Hey Ed1 hope all is well, if you're about would like to get your opinion on Julian Weigl. I personally think he is class act and kind of reminds me of Alonso albiet Alonso for me was a class above the rest but Julian Wiegl seems to have that poise and aura about him.

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{Ed001's Note - I like him a lot, I would certainly like us to look at him and attempt to sign him in the summer.}

08 Nov 2017 08:29:07
Damn fine player Weigl is, but no chance of us signing him. There will be bigger clubs willing to pay way more for his services if BVB agree to sell. Read somewhere that Pep wants him as Fernandinho's long term replacement. If City want him, they will get him.


{Ed001's Note - so bigger clubs and Man City then?}

08 Nov 2017 13:01:50
Magnificent player and I expect us to miss him completely in favor of a hard core athlete CM.


08 Nov 2017 13:03:40
Does he have a ball winning aspect as well or would you need that from someone else?


08 Nov 2017 11:17:38
I am with you I hope we are looking at him or at the very least will try to make efforts in the summer to sign him. Question Ed1 and if you don't know not to worry, do you know if

a) Klopp has him as a target or is a fan of him or has made tentative efforts in the past/ present about his availability.

b) If he is even available in the summer or willing to move?

Liverpool rarely get the players I really want apart from Naby Keita hope that continues with Julian Weigl.


{Ed001's Note - I don't believe there is any chance of him moving to us in the summer.}

08 Nov 2017 13:08:01
Just saying there will be more attractive options for Weigl if BVB are willing to sell.


 
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