Liverpool Banter Archive May 08 2015

 

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08 May 2015 21:47:46
I just have a horrible feeling regarding the upcoming transfer window. The feeling being despite been told there is a review going on can't help thinking the same mistakes will be made. Last year I heard br tell us we needed signings to strengthen the first eleven then proceeded to sign 10 players of which none are now nailed on starters. Now he's talking about a couple of marquee signings and yet because of the players we will sell and release I can see another 7 or 8 signing coming. I would love begovic kondogbia or parejo for mid and vietto or higuain for striker. That would get us top four and allow us to strengthen other areas the following season while allowing younger players gain some experience. What will happen and I don't mean to trash potential signings we will sign neto Montoya Milner ntep ings gameiro benteke and none will be regulars. Btw I like some of those players but some are not suited like bent eke and we seem to think we can fix the squad every year in one window. Opinions particularly ed01 would be great. Sorry one final point with a comitee I am sure everyone on it has a preferred target and will always lead to more signings than needed with not everyone in agreement

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08 May 2015 22:34:55
We have been making the same mistakes for years, before fsg came along, so there is zero reason to think anything will change now.

Que the dislikes from the let's be positive crew! Lol

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09 May 2015 00:36:12
Those positive people spoil everything hay Mario, its enough to make the most pessimistic page positive at times, no good to anyone that mate.

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09 May 2015 00:47:12
I would not pay too much attention to the drivel and self serving doublespeak he spouts in the media because he signs players he says he wants and when they don't work or are badly used, he trashes them in the media in a bid to absorb himself of blame. We know we have a very capable squad coached by a politician who plays the manager role on TV alone. Don't get too down on yourself because if BR is sacked, we will be able to plan with hopefully the right manager who can bring some energy and structure to this team. Stay optimistic!

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09 May 2015 03:34:22
Ohio, give it a rest mate. We are well aware of you're feelings towards Rodgers. You're starting to sound like a broken record.

Red Rum

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09 May 2015 05:10:03
You asked for the dislikes mario. Bjt on another note. Why is everyone so beaten? It's been a frustrating season and everyone wnats rodgers to go obviously. All is not doom amd gloom we got a young squad with talent amd potential in the youth setup. Add a decent striker and we're good fot top4. #Stayoptimistic

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09 May 2015 09:26:40
Spot on Reet, we have a lot of young players who are capable of playing at a high level as their developments grow.

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09 May 2015 09:39:54
Not everyone wants Rodgers to go and not everyone is beaten

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09 May 2015 16:25:32
Right on Reet! We have a good squad and we can compete with anyone on our day even if those days are coming fewer and further between. We need the changes made an d abelief we are moving forward BUT IMO, FSG will do what is necessary to make us competitive again. They just need to do it their way because afterall, they own the club.

Rum, I will post whatever I feel like posting regardless of what you think is a broken record or not. All I did was state my opinion on where some of our troubles lie and BR is right at the center of it. If you don`t agree, prove me wrong or disagree or keep it moving because you have no right to tell anyone what they can and can`t say. Good day!

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09 May 2015 20:14:42
We still need someone who can actually strike a football. we don't have a player in the team who from 20 yards or in pretty much anywhere on the pitch that really looks like scoring. only glimpses on occasion. And then you have to ask bar a striker because that is obvious maybe replacing sterling with another proven goal threat (son has been mentioned I have liked him for a long time) would be a improvement also. because it's no good having 5 players all looking to create chances for each other with no one able to actually put the ball in the net

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08 May 2015 20:41:34
Vietto looks like he might be going to Atletico Madrid, possibly another target gone. Have you heard any truth in these reports eds? I do hope we can get Son he's definitely someone who could add to the front line which is much needed now Sturridge is out till atleadt September

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained about Vietto.}

08 May 2015 19:58:17
Carra saying we need a top class striker next season, I completely disagree, we 2, your cannot count on Sturridge being fit all the time, Origi is not an out and goal scorer, looks like Balo and Borini will go, so yeah for me good goal scorers

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09 May 2015 01:09:36
If we can finish 5th with no striker, then one top striker should be enough. We will have Sturridge, Origi and Ibe as backup to this striker, so I really don't see how it is necessary to buy 2.

Red Rum

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09 May 2015 08:16:39
Red Rum, it really is not a simple as that. U are simply assuming that the teams above us will not get better when its pretty obvious Man Utd, City and Arsenal will all strengthen considerably in the summer meaning the gap will only widen unless LFC get in a capable manager and sign the right players. I very much doubt one forward is all we need. We need 2, since Sturridge will probably miss half of next season as well and Origi is not prolific(yet). Gerrard also needs replacing with a top notch CM and Flanno's injury along with Johnson and Manquillo's departures means a full back will be another priority. GK should be signed only if he is 1st choice otherwise i would stick with Migs and Ward for the time being.
So its 2 forwards (preferably Son and Vietto), a RB(probably Montoya) and a CM(probably Milner) will be looked at in the summer. And of course a new manager who wins trophies unlike clueless Brendan and then we are good to go.

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09 May 2015 08:21:40
We need 4 strikers not 4 who can play up front if, which I hope we do going forward, play with 2 strikers.

If playing with 1 need 3 proven ones.

Sturridge until he proves he can stay fit must be discounted from that as any business would do when planning for success with an unreliable asset.

If we go next season with Sturridge, Ings, Origi and one other then can you realistically see us in the mix ? ?

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{Ed002's Note - As far as I know at the moment, Lambert will be staying.}

09 May 2015 08:46:06
Happy for Rickie to stay as he's been totally shafted this season.

He is our go to man off the bench but has never been given a fair opportunity.

It's above him that needs improving big time and unless we do forget about top 4 or better until potentially the young guns mature.

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09 May 2015 16:32:21
We had a more than capable RB in Kelly and he was disgracefully sold in favor of two players who are not up to his level. We bought Marko (good player) yet loaned out Ibe only to be recalled again. we lost LS and knew we would lose Studge (to injury)and bought Balo and Lambo who aren`t good enuff to shoulder the burden. That shows how awesome we are at evaluating and that is why we will continue to fail with such pointless transfer strategies. Lambo is a good player and can be effective if well managed but he is not even getting a game. other teams are only going to get better as Fano sadi and we had better shape up or we will be shipped out onto midtable mediocrity, if we`re not already there.

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08 May 2015 19:56:54
I think, FSG need to use their resources in a better way. They have no doubt been extremely generous in trying to put our club, their club back into the English Elite but it hasn't quite happened, many will blame the manager or the transfer committee or even the players not performing which I think in parts is all true.

But we have spent so much money on players that are not helping to drive the club onwards and the great hope for this season, Daniel Sturridge has been crocked not just for this season but for the start of next season we hear as well.

It's goals we've lacked considerably this year, the one thing we had in abundance last year. I think the big risk signings the Andy Carrolls and Mario Balotelli's need to stop, even though when we spend big money on one player it is always somewhat of a gamble and when they come from another league it can be an even bigger gamble but we need some quality to lead the line.

If Champions League is a must, and for many of us it is and rightly so, then I think in the Premier League we are only as good as our frontline. Instead of the committee, manager trying to sign risks and nearly men, we need to sign goal scorers, Suarez was a goal scorer and he showed it brilliantly in his last two seasons for us, Torres was a goal scorer for us and we need another prolific goal scorer to accompany Sturridge otherwise we will struggle to make the top four again, and our rivals in the league are just as powerful, if not more when it comes to signing the players they need when they need them.

I do think the young players we invested in will do better next season but we need some leadership and guile in our forward line to make us a genuine threat once again. Just my opinions on the current situation, as I see it. Cheers for reading and look forward to any feed back.

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09 May 2015 00:55:14
Agree in parts, Ollie. We know why we have and what we need. The prob is does BR know what we need and based on the facts on the ground, it looks like he just spends money on players and has no idea why he signed them or on how to use them. He wants marquee players, he gets the money, he doesn't buy them and then complains about not having marquee players. Can you believe that BS? We have good players and we need to focus on getting three top players in to boost the first team. If BR is in charge, he will sign nearly men so he can mould them to what he wants them to be as players but will and IMO, can't handle big characters hence, won't sign them yet complains he can't get them.

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09 May 2015 09:47:56
The development of players can only improve if they are given the playing time, so they gain confidence. We do need a manager who doesn't bench them, after a negative result.

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09 May 2015 16:44:40
That takes courage, commitment and strategy from a club standpoint. The manager has to be true to youth policy because as much as we have to win now, it doesn`t mean the youth should go to waste as a result. Look at other big clubs like bayern, barca and Real. They buy mega stars everytime BUT still make space for their youth like Carvajal, Jese (Real), Munir, Rafinha, Thiago, Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets, Pedro (Barca)and Alaba, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Muller, Gaudini, etc (Bayern). They are all under pressure to win YET believe in their youth setup. Tha is what we need to do as well.

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08 May 2015 17:43:05
Ed do you think Inter being sanctioned for breaching FFP could mean them selling Kovacic or others?

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{Ed007's Note - You want the Euro Soccer page for these type of questions.}

08 May 2015 20:42:07
Icardi needs to be looked at.
I have no idea where where going to find these 'world class goalscorers' are going to come from now we've no money and no champions league.

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08 May 2015 16:24:06
"Who knows I play against Gerrard as Liverpool manager some day."

this would seemingly mean that he faces Gerrard who will be manager of Liverpool some day, but it is code. It is a smokescreen for "I will play against Gerrard while I manage Liverpool." Mourinho will lose the champions league group stages next season and abramovic will give him the sack. In a desperate effort, Liverpool will offer sterling for mourinho and sack Rodgers. Then Gerrard will desire to play against mourinho again and sign for Leicester to face him one last time.

Seriously though, would you guys trade sterling for mourinho? Would never happen but, funny to think about how much a great manager is worth.

Also, eds, has there recently been a manager involved in a trade? For any club, it would just seem strange but possible.

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{Ed002's Note - Would you take Joey Barton for Rodgers?}

08 May 2015 16:42:58
get a grip!!!

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08 May 2015 18:05:49
Well I'm left scratching my head did I actually read this random.
While we're at it let's trade kitmen and mitre deltas for adidas tangos

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08 May 2015 20:56:12
You guys seriously didn't pick that up as a joke?

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08 May 2015 21:46:57
Obviously but just so random even when u got to the "serious" part.
Though it's a better post than the same ones going round and round every day. Depay this Son that Ings here Klopp there

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08 May 2015 13:26:56
Ed have we had any interest in the Dutch striker, Schute De Bol ? Natural goal scorer it seems.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool enquired but could not match the asking price. Cowdenbeath and Ards remain in the hunt for him.}

08 May 2015 13:54:48
Ed, is there any interest in Schute De Bol's distant cousin, Scor Da Gol?

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08 May 2015 14:29:23
I believe we have entered preliminary talks with a Turkish side over another striker, Baccha Dannet? Can you confirm ED?

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08 May 2015 14:35:12
You do know that Ed's surname is De Dam Bol, don't you?

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08 May 2015 14:41:50
I like his younger brother, I think he's a goalkeeper who goes by the name of Save De Bol. He also as a nephew, who plays in midfield called Pas De Bol. Definately two to look out for.

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08 May 2015 14:49:35
Their dad is a proud man, Ouch de Bol.

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08 May 2015 14:58:52
cant believe i searched google too see if it was a real person. its been a long morning.

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08 May 2015 15:04:22
Ah ha. So this is what banter looks like!

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08 May 2015 15:09:06
Yeah you've killed it now

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08 May 2015 16:16:09
Ouch de bol had n illegitimate child with Beeg Bol. The child goes by the name of beeger dan bol. Hear dat he is lighyyears ahead of messi

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08 May 2015 17:51:50
Sorry lads,,, I'm staying put

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08 May 2015 12:34:46
Eds,
Is Rogers saying we were never in for Depay him finally learning his lesson and not sayin we missed out cause the player picked another team over us or were we never in for him as PSV said?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what Rodgers has said. I have explained the situation - over and over and over.}

08 May 2015 13:57:35
No he hasn´t learned anything. He has said numerous times that he will refuse to talk about potential signings, but the man isn´t capable of this.
But I suspect that he wants to defend his reputation, as it was clear that LFC had interest in the player.

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08 May 2015 17:52:50
How do you know LFC had an interest in Depay?

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08 May 2015 19:19:25
Ed002 has written the following:
{Ed002's Note - Depay is certainly a player Liverpool are interested in, and they have spoken with his representative and with PSV - but I still suspect he will go to Manchester United. Sparky is having his tail fluffed today but will soon be back on line.}

Also, PSV´s sporting director, Marcel Brands, has stated that LFC had an interest in Depay.

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08 May 2015 12:32:19
Summer looming and we need two big signings. I would put the entire kitty on a powerful midfielder and reliable striker. Reliable meaning can score a goal, put in an effort, and not injury prone.

I would go for M. Sissoko in midfield and J. Martinez for striker. I suspect we will go all out for Delph instead of Sissoko however, A lot of people will be looking at Benteke, but we don't need another injury riddled striker, especially one who will carry a markedly inflated price due to recent form.

Who to go? Our Italian contingent for starters. I also think J. Allen hasn't shown enough to stay. G. Johnson and Gerrard should be obvious. Bring back Origi, promote a few youngsters, and oh yeah, bring in Klopp.

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08 May 2015 13:38:19
Delph already signed an extension with Villa hence, isn`t going anywhere and besides, we don`t need him.

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08 May 2015 15:08:26
And we don't want him

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08 May 2015 08:03:38
After hearing Newcastles coach claim he is the best in the premier league after 8 straight losses I think we should give Brendan a break! And before you say it not a permanent one. Well maybe. Happy Friday everyone!

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08 May 2015 13:38:59
And you wonder why they are both failures?

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08 May 2015 05:02:58
Hi eds,

After years of trawling this site I have finally signed up to ask this simple question.

What is there to be positive about?

I read constantly about our Managers downfalls, our failings in the transfer market, our mediocre players, fans attacking the owners, etc.

I support our team wholeheartedly, I am a red that means it when I say YNWA. Until any player is no longer ours or the manager the same, I am supporting them. Not blindly but because I am not professionally involved.

So I return to my request for your positive views on our club, team, manager and owners for the near future. Not because I have my head in the sand but because I want something to cheer about.

Thanks for your work.

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{Ed001's Note - quality young players in the academy, stadium expansion increasing revenue in the near future to allow us to be more competitive financially. We have good players in the team, used to their best we can compete with anyone. Ibe is a good reason to be positive. Plus the fact it is Liverpool FC, what more do you need to cheer than to see the Liver Bird on the chest? After all, no matter how bad things are, when the game kicks off we are all behind the team on the pitch.}

08 May 2015 07:48:24
Quality young players in the academy that will get signed by bigger teams unless something big changes.

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08 May 2015 07:58:05
Post and response of the day - tendency for everyone to look for the negatives but with Coutinho, Sturridge Sterling, Ibe, Llalana, Hendo, Sakho, Can, Moreno, Markovic all still young and very talented, with Sinclair, Ojo, Origi, Brannagan, Kent, Wilson, Chirivella, Canos, Paez, Lloyd Jones to come through, I think Liverpool can potentially build an amazing core if they can keep the youth together in the coming 2-3 years.

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08 May 2015 08:52:08
If you are talking about the coming year and top 4 or trophies it is mainly sweat and tears from me mate, sorry. We are still the team to beat from the non top4 teams if that helps, a huge club in terms of fan power and financially stable even if in debt. You may hope that if any of the other top 4 has a bad year, or we somehow get extremely lucky with another signing then maybe not the coming year but the years after (surely without BR) we may sneak into the top 4 again. We had unbelivebly bad luck this year with injuries and signings that turned out unbelivably lame you can hope things will nto be as worse.

Overall low expectations - less frustrations. But if you want someone to hold you hand and tell you a rain of trophies will be falling on us i am afraid you are in the wrong city at the moment.

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08 May 2015 09:13:29
I wouldn't go mentioning young lads just now . Suso texeira and these guys on loan illori etc are hardly going to get a sniff . Moreno n markovic having pulled up trees . I doubt Henderson would get into any top side to be fair . I think folk read too much into what's there . There's a few there that are good players . i'd say we've one world class player in coutinho . That's the reality ! Now do the same to city arsenal Chelsea Utd and see what names u tally off and see who they got . It's a stark reality ! Us lfc fans need to wise up .

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08 May 2015 10:46:28
Not every young player is going to make it to the very top and there will always be attrition like Suso, but Sterling, Ibe, Coutinho, Can, Sakho, Llalana etc. have a very good chance of being some of the very best players in the league in my opinion, and I'm sure Sinclair, Ojo, Wilson etc. all have a good shot of similar status in the future.

I think the key is how they're played in the coming years, consistency in selection, formation and coaching, plus a few stars to look up to and set the tone.

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08 May 2015 11:32:37
That we are not Newcastle.
We are a fantastic club with great fans. We have some top top players who have signed for the long-term and we have the resources to compete. We are short of 3 top players and a better manager. Most clubs would love to be in our position

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08 May 2015 13:32:23
Great post Potclay, exactly what this site needs, a bit more postive stuff. I know Rodgers is not everyone cup of tea but look liverpool have been a bit unlucky this season that Sturridge has been injured for most of it. If he was fully fit and banging in the goals like last season then we would be up there abouts, its a simple as that. We have done the best with what we have got. If we do get a Top midfielder and Top Striker that are fit and can score then we will be up there fighting for the top 4 and the Title. Believe in the Club. YNWA

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08 May 2015 13:33:20
Good to see positive posts again

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08 May 2015 13:57:01
Ed hit the nail opn the head. We have very good players in the senior squad and the academy. not all will make it thru and event these academy players know that. However, we have to start emphasizing a tue commitment to youth or we will never recpoup any money from their sale or have great perfs from them like we got from Owen, Macca, Carra, SG, Raheem and potentially Ibe and the academy will be a waste. There is always things to look forward to and we are making steady progress off the field. Our only probs are on the field where we lack any direction and strategy when it comes to transfers and managerial acumen as well as a consistent tactical system. Rectify those, and we can compete with anyone as we have shown in many a game the past 18 months. #Wegoagain!!

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08 May 2015 22:18:21
couldn't have said it better myself.

Also noticed Max hasn't been on this post. Strange.

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09 May 2015 08:43:15
I also like our owners. They've given enormous financial support and are trying to run the club on sound football and business principles.

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10 May 2015 13:10:00
Thanks Ed,

I totally agree, Liverbird on my chest and all is well when the whistle goes off.

Potclay

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08 May 2015 00:30:04
Any updates on the transfer of Heung-Min Son? He seems like he would be a good signing to fill our gaping hole at striker or for scoring goals. Any thoughts?

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{Ed002's Note - Of course not - you have a very stressed life ahead.}

08 May 2015 22:18:55
Brilliant ed.

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08 May 2015 00:28:01
Right so as I and others said here over recent weeks about Depay, whenever one of the other top4 or other top European team will fight with us over a player they will also get him for all the obvious reasons. Probably worse, I can see if we say show interest in someone like Benteke or Son this in itself raises his profile in the eyes of some of the top4 and they may go for him even if didn't inted to, if say they lose on their main target to another top4 or top European side.

What do we do then?
1. Buy young and look for diamond in the rough - though on every diamond you get five glass stones plus the real diamond want to leave to win trophies once they gain a year or two.

2. Buy old(is) people who have jsut reached their 30s and start to decent but still have quality.

3. Buy players with baggae (e.g. Benteke and his injury, Baloteli with his bagagae, Suarez with his) - pros and cons are clear.

4. Buy those who have little interest from others so not very expensive Ings, Milner, Montoya, focus on selling and then maybe in the last days of the transfer window see if we have money and maybe the other top teams finished their business and there is still a Benteke free.

5. Like 4 but wait for the winter transfer make a deal around selling Sterling and hoping that in the winter transfer the top teams will not make massive buys after a very busy summer and less us do our business.

Last point - a forighn manager like Klopp may bring some inside knowledge about players with potential from the league they are in under the radar of other teams (See Kooman in Southampton) - another reason to bring Klopp.

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08 May 2015 02:34:06
6. If we can't get our transfer targets, buy no one.

I'd honestly rather we buy no one if they are just going to be loaned out or just squad players.

Red Rum

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08 May 2015 04:00:31
I also think point 6 would be if we had a manager like Klopp, that would be a huge attraction to a developing talent, plus we can also sell the fact we'll be able to put younger players into the first team for more game time (rather than stagnating on the bench like Januzaj for example). LVG was a classic case where the manager was one of the key draw cards, and I'm sure a few players like Aubemeyang, Gundogan and perhaps even someone like Reus would be prepared to follow Klopp on a new challenge based on relationship/charisma/ambition.

I'm not sure with BR in charge and the track record of the last few seasons we'll be all that appealing to players when we've messed around some of the younger players, at least partly because we've bought for the wrong positions. Illori, Markovic, Can, Borini, Balo, Manquillo, Suso being loaned/isolated or played out of position spring immediately to mind. While there's always a natural attrition rate due to players not successfully making the step up at a new club, we also don't seem to blood talent all that well (with some exceptions of Sterling, Ibe).

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08 May 2015 14:05:06
Zimbo is on to something. Players top players wanna play for top clubs and more importantly, top managers if they can help it and Steve mcMahon made that point some time ago. BR is always giddy in the media when we sign a player but the player he is giddy about is one who on the face of it, doesn`t match his level of giddiness. e.g Borini, Marko, Manquillo and so on, saying they would improve us and afterwards, find themselves on the bench or played out of position. As Fergie used to say, "The manager matters" and IMO, that is one of the main reasons Sanchez went to Arsenal. I don`t believe in the "wanted to live in London" BS because he may have just said that not to offend LFC because we were all in for him. A guy like Klopp will be ideal because he built that BVB from scratch with screwd signings and made very good use of the academy wwith players like Goetze, Gundogan, Schmelzer. Reus (left and came back) and so on. Also, he will have a much better squad here than he had at BVB when he got there because trust me, they were a HUGE mess at the time. We should do all we can to get him, IMO.

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08 May 2015 15:21:42
Totally in agreement with Red Rum there, if we can't sell to buy or we simply can't afford targeted players who slot straight in, then just leave it be.

Plenty was made about BR not having any money to spend in January and it forced him into recalling Ibe. If he is there at the beginning of next season then he really should have a gameplan worked out for how to utilise the talent in the academy. Should have happened by now anyway.

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08 May 2015 17:56:15
Think of this most of our good business has been done in January last few years coutinio Sturridge Suarez because nobody else is really looking then so I suppose it's correct when anybody else wants them we lose out even spuds beat us to them

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09 May 2015 01:01:40
Klopp will not be coming to LFC. Move on.

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09 May 2015 01:03:32
He was ordered to use the academy and get Ibe back because funds would not be released due IMO, to their severe lack of trust with funds. There was prolly money there but the owners weren't going give in to him stitching them up again for money and God bless them.

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08 May 2015 00:06:21
Hi eds,
in regards to a right back
With Dani Alves looking likely to leave Barca, along with the current transfer ban, is a move for Montoya really viable?
Also, with porto right back Danilo set to join Madrid in the summer for big money, would they be open to offers for Dani Carvajal?

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

08 May 2015 12:08:53
I don't think barca will let alves go in the end. He's been absolutely brilliant for them lately.

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