Liverpool Banter Archive June 08 2017

08 Jun 2017 23:05:05
I just wish I can be hit by electricity and pass out till the transfer window closed . unfortunately I still live in a part of Africa where electricity is gold

nice work Ed 25.

08 Jun 2017 23:12:46
I have a taser if that would help you HTM?

Baz.

08 Jun 2017 22:51:47
Thanks for the reply. I realise repeating urslfs is annoying :-) . Just hope a deal can be done.

08 Jun 2017 22:15:46
I know you need to negotiate a price to suit both parties in transfers. but the low ballling Liverpool have been doing is ridiculous!

If quoted £40M you don't bid £25M (or any derisory figures) then try to continuously ram it down their throats! That unsettles the player, insults the selling club and ruins your business reputation!
If it's too much then just walk away and look elsewhere! To then tap up the player to drop the price is even more unforgivable 😡.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I could think of so many targets we've missed because we kept forcing derisory bids onto clubs!

08 Jun 2017 23:33:24
It isn't even an effective negotiation tactic, is it? We seem just to be p*****g off the very people we need to be building relationships with to get business done.

09 Jun 2017 00:20:47
TBH we deserve to be charged a premium by the other clubs now. VVD wanted us, so did Mendy and Salah also wants to join us. Just pay the asking price for these 3 players (Klopp wants them too obviously) and get on with business. If we do not have enough money for other positions (RB and ST), it can wait for next season. The most important thing to do for the club now is save face and build back the relationships it destroyed by acting unprofessionally.

09 Jun 2017 17:27:10
If you just 'pay the asking price' every time you'll get mugged. Hope you're not in business Buzzer. There is a difference though, between a good opening position and an insulting one. We need to start further North of where we do (and obviously go through the proper channels)

08 Jun 2017 21:46:16
I would be interested in Ed1 and ed2s view on who should be held responsible for this mess.

I am greatful to the owners for what they have done for our club but our PR and professionalism since they took over has been nothing short of shambolic. We had the Suarez debacle, numerous tapping up offences, tweet from one owner regarding Arsenals bid for Suarez and now we are asking the parents of a kid to lie!

Who's responsible, the owners, the MD, CEO, managers?

Whatever is going on it needs to change, it seems we have a club with no control and employees running around with no regard for the image and reputation of our club and as a fan I feel totally let down, again!

{Ed002's Note - Readd the posts. The club and in particular the manager are at fault. Both have done this before and both have history. Liverpool care not one iota about the people the screw.}

08 Jun 2017 21:25:50
Hello Ed002 seeing as you are around, I would like your opinion on where FSG stand with regards to this mess with VVD? It is being reported that it was FSG's decision to issue the public apology and withdraw interest in the player which you said earlier was the poorest thing to do in the circumstance.

I have seen your replies where you say Liverpool and Klopp need to get their act together, but too many of these issues have happened prior to Klopp (Suarez issues under Rodgers and Kenny Dalglish for example, Jen Chang another one) and earlier this year I asked you if you think Edwards was the right man for the job and you said something along the lines like you don't think so.

My question, shouldn't FSG be more professional with putting the right people in places in the management so that they then act professionally instead of taking punts as they have done throughout their 7 years here? I mean, LFC have more tapping up complaints against them and issued more public apologies, and have changed more managers than won trophies during FSG's time here.

{Ed002's Note - It is not the poorest thing to do, but it is embarrassing, hits the reputation hard and means loss of face. THeir biggest concern will be reputation right now and in the past they have acted to remove the likes of Chang.}

08 Jun 2017 23:27:22
Ag, my post above was written before I had read your post. You articulated the point I was trying to make better then me!

We are a shambles and my guess is it's down to poor recruitment in senior positions.

We need an experienced football person to deal with all transfers to take back some control. This person should be the only person to speak to other clubs and open up negotiations.

08 Jun 2017 20:31:34
Desperate for some positive transfer news.
Who will we sign next?

08 Jun 2017 20:40:43
Bozo Texino.

08 Jun 2017 21:40:53
Sparky the Wonder Dog. Or Ken Aguero.

08 Jun 2017 22:16:17
Dick Van Dyke.

08 Jun 2017 22:52:29
Theresa may.

08 Jun 2017 20:07:28
Ed002, apparently the EPL have requested versions of events re VVD froom both clubs irrespective of Southampton accepting Liverpool's apology.

Liverpool have already admitted guilt and have other legal cases pending with that youngsters from Stoke.

In your opinion Ed002, have Liverpool put the final nail in their coffin?

The fact that some of our fans seem to think we are still in it to win it for VVD is absolutely laughable.

We are refusing to meet Roma's demands for Salah now most think we will sign VVD at a price more than double of Salah. ha ha.

Transfer window ruined beyond repair. What a joke this club has shown themselves to be.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool need to step back from their ongoing and sustained illegal tapping up of players. The Premier League, the FA and UEFA have sanctioned the club over and over for indiscretions by the club, representatives of the club and the fans. An ex-aptain of the club has admitted to tapping up players on behalf of the club. It is completely unacceptable. There are other clubs who will not do business with Liverpool. Roma have a grovelling apology from a "representative" of Mo Salah and are still pushing to find out what has happened. Last summer Liverpool were written to twice about illegal approaches for players. The club got caught making an illegal approach for a Fulham player in 2012. The Premier League cannot be seen as yet again not dealing with these matters. If the club were to again lie to an investigation (as they have recently been caught doing) then it might escalate.}

08 Jun 2017 20:45:12
1st time poster, long time follow.
Thanks eds for the info regarding Liverpool and this whole saga.
It is really dissapointing hearing the continued stories about Liverpool's approach to transfers, the worse is the 12 yr old ed 2 mentioned in previous post. I do hope Liverpool get a severe punishment for this. I am a liverpool fan but it does begin to question my support for a club who seem inconsiderate to all those around them.

08 Jun 2017 20:51:48
Do the issues with Salah's representatives prevent a deal from happening or is it too early to tell yet? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - There is no acceptable offer.}

08 Jun 2017 21:44:58
Tapping up is illegal but every club does it in one way or another. Other clubs just do not tell the press and the world what they have done.

{Ed002's Note - Another embarrassing post deflecting the issue - everybody else is at fault.}

09 Jun 2017 02:31:56
Jesus christ. Why do Liverpool go so far out of their way to act like rebel punks? I just don't understand.

08 Jun 2017 19:52:56
Hi Eds, Given LFC's terrible track record of recruitment conduct, would you anticipate a transfer ban being applied across the board to the club soon, taking into account the court case re the kid and current reported ongoings?

Your time, as always, is hugely appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - I think it unlikely right now.}

08 Jun 2017 20:21:02
I really apprevcate your response Ed, Thank you. Have a good evening.

08 Jun 2017 19:45:01
My perfect summer.

Bertrand - LB
Coleman - RB
Cristiano Ronaldo - FW (Ha ha)

I do not believe we need anymore forwards. Just stick it out with Sturridge Where can we find a better player than Sturridge pending his fitness?

08 Jun 2017 20:24:01
All in it's a haha . Saints lb . And Colman has a huge injury.

08 Jun 2017 19:06:32
I've read we are interested in Ghoulam. Is this true at all? If so are we actually willing to try and complete a deal for him.

{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

08 Jun 2017 12:36:58
I guess all this rubbish storm must be related to when if people remember why klopp was asked about transfers he said "the work was done" only it was done in the most sloppy way that only Liverpool can only get caught at. Do we ever learn eds?

08 Jun 2017 10:18:28
Morning ED's, I know you must be fed up of the questions regarding VVD. Is there any possibility of a deal still happening, as a couple of journalists are still suggesting.

I remember Lovren handing in a transfer request and Lallana also doing all he could to push through a move. If VVD were to do similar and if Liverpool were prepared to pay the most could a deal still happen. Or do you think Southampton don't want to do a deal with us at all.

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - As I have explained over and over, Liverpool has been caught (yet again) tapping up a player. They have yet again trailed slime behind them making a grovelling apology rather than doing the honourable thing and buying the player. Yet again Liverpool has put the career of a player in a difficult position and yet again Liverpool has upset another professional side. Rather than paying the asking price they have made themselves a complete laugnhing stock and backed away from the deal in the most unptofessional way imaginable. They are facing a court case where it will come out that they asked the parents of a 12 year old boy to lie to an FA investigation as they fouled up his career as well. There is also a very significant issue that will come out if that case goes to court which will go well beyond the pitiful fine and ban they already have. Liverpool should have done the honorable thing and paid the asking price to Southampton. I have no doubt whatsoever that the club will continue to blunder through life fucking up the lives of others.}

08 Jun 2017 20:00:55
It's horrible to say as a Liverpool supporter all my lifr Ed002, but you're right on this. Liverpool have shamed themselves and need to buck up their ideas on how they deal with transfers. It's getting ridiculous now.

Do you see any way of the club recovering all of their mess Ed? It's horrible as a supporter looking in from the outside to see the club I have been brought up loving turn itself into a farce.

I will always support Liverpool, but I won't put the blinkers on in situations such as this.

{Ed002's Note - The way to recover is to stop the manager acting illegally.}

08 Jun 2017 20:14:23
Me thinks it's Eds time of the month.

{Ed002's Note - Your problem is what?}

08 Jun 2017 20:16:58
Ed002 given this lamentable behaviour who in your opinion should be accountable and take responsibility, how far up the chain of command are we talking,? Board level at LFC or someone at FSG?

{Ed002's Note - As I have said over and over to the other idiots, the club and Klopp are responsible.}

08 Jun 2017 20:25:13
ed your saying the club are ****ing up lives what about the gobshite that own it its their fault thay are becoming like hicks and gillett mk2.

{Ed002's Note - Why deflect and blame the owners. The fans are dealing with club like they dealt with the foul little runt that is Suarez. Very embarrassing.}

08 Jun 2017 20:28:54
The truth hurts sometimes, great post ed02.

08 Jun 2017 20:33:51
But if saints don't want to sell and we've been so called "caught red handed" then how can we buy the player? Surely that's worse just carrying on with the deal.

08 Jun 2017 20:57:01
Peter Robinson must be turning in his grave.

08 Jun 2017 21:17:47
It is being reported that it was the owner's decision to make that public apology in fear of an investigation.

We can sit here and blame everyone we want but too many of these things have happened under FSG and it is they who need to put things right to start with.

08 Jun 2017 21:03:30
Ed we are on the banter page are we not chill out and grab a glass of red and relax.

08 Jun 2017 18:45:24
Trying to put the VVD saga behind me, the interest in VVD shows that Liverpool are looking to bring in a CB. I have seen many people say VVD was not worth the money and have even seen posts saying we could get a better player for half the price while others have said that the likes of Dann, Yoshida, Collins are better player than VVD which I think is laughable.

So who are the players we could look to as an alternative to VVD? I have heard the following names mentioned but I am not sure if there is any real interest in any of them: Koulibaly, Keane and Gibson.

08 Jun 2017 19:12:32
The Premier league is not the only existence for CB's.

Stefan de Vrij will probably cost a third of what VVD now will. de Vrij will also not be on some ridiculous pay packet either.

It is the job of our scouts to find the right players and for the club to act responsibly in the market, financially and with respect to other clubs. Liverpool have no clue on how to do any of this.

Liverpool making VVD the most expensive and probably the highest paid CB in world football ever is being responsible, right? Southampton are waiting and will laugh all the way to the bank for many years to come.

Fans are not scouts. Our scouts need to start doing their jobs.

08 Jun 2017 18:59:06
Quite a few names out there who I'd like. Manolas, Koulibaly, Davison Sanchez, Varane, Gimenez, Tah.

08 Jun 2017 19:40:22
Jonathan Tah.

08 Jun 2017 19:54:36
De Vrij is physically weak and would get battered in the premier league, he's not the quickest and has had serious injury problems.
Manolas and is unlikely as Roma neither need or want to sell and he's got a rep for red cards.
Davison Sanchez is an accident waiting to happen, not a good defender at all (taking it you've watched the UEFA cup final? ) .
Varane, not going to happen. Why leave Real for Liverpool when Pepe is leaving.
Jimenez isn't what you'd call a dominant centre half, which is what we need.
Tah, has largely been found out this season for being rather lumpen, he's a big unit, but poor on the ball, poor distribution and hasn't really got lightning pace to make up for his lapses of concentration.

08 Jun 2017 20:30:43
Joe Gomez - has premier league experience and available for free.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, Bournemouth remain keen.}

08 Jun 2017 18:20:59
With all the embarrassment surrounding the club would the likes of Jonathan tah be a cheaper maybe better alternative to vvd? Possibly the only other cb I wouldn't mind us signing if he's available
Cheers lads.

08 Jun 2017 19:20:23
I saw enough Bundesliga last season and Tab was quite poor whenever I watched him. IMO he is nowhere near VVD''s level.

08 Jun 2017 17:36:43
I think LFC should go Gelson Martins insted of Salah.
The guy is too fast for any defender and very tirck.

08 Jun 2017 17:53:12
Yeah. I prefer him too. ok, I only watched him on youtube, but I was more impressed with his YT video than Salah's YT vid. Gelson wins YT wars.

08 Jun 2017 18:07:41
Salah has done it in a tougher league and has more end product. Gelson was playing in the equivalent of th Championship.

08 Jun 2017 18:12:25
Ed002 has mentioned that many cs have walked away from Gelson because of what his club requires financially.

Let's just put Gelson out there as another player we missed out on. Markovic MK2.

08 Jun 2017 18:13:36
Salah all day for me. Gelson seems a decent player with good pace and will improve with years to come but right now i'd question his end product and goal return. Especially in a bog standard league like the one he's playing in right now.

08 Jun 2017 18:20:54
He looks like the player adama traore should be.

08 Jun 2017 18:36:26
Gelson Martins is no more ready for the PL than Markovic was when we signed him and will be more than double his transfer fee. No thanks.

Salah is ready for the PL now, wants to come and Roma will do the deal at the right price. Liverpool need to show that they can act professionally and get the player their manager wants.

08 Jun 2017 19:57:14
As Ed002 would say, we know what we need to do.

08 Jun 2017 17:31:09
Well done to Don Solanke again for firing a couple of goals against Italy. The boy is a real talent.

08 Jun 2017 17:18:46
Hi eds. Really big ask here.
I manage a U12s football team in mold north wales. We're a self funded team as we are the only age group in the club (sychdyn juniors) . We are holding a race night, raffle and auction to raise much needed funds for the lads. Would any of the eds have any idea which football clubs are generous with donating prizes and how we would go about asking.
Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - if you are in Mold try Michael Owen and, a better bet to be honest, the Speed family. Gary Speed's dad is an absolute diamond and he will be sure to help. He does loads for charity and loves football. As for football clubs, Everton and Man Utd are the best, both have links on their websites for a way to get charity donations. Waste of time speaking to Liverpool, they are corporate arses and will only donate to their 'chosen partners'.}

08 Jun 2017 17:33:11
Hi Ashy 77,

I run a local drinks supplier and we currently supply Mold Alex FC. If you want to email me directly we, I would be more than welcome to support a gift for your raffle.

Simon@beertrading. co. uk

Regards.

08 Jun 2017 17:41:16
LFC donated to my team yearly ed for our fundraising never had an issue had to send a letter with the club name header on it but never had an issue. i've had signed boots, tours of the stadium, signed balls all kinds to be honest.

Best of luck.

08 Jun 2017 17:47:16
Hi ash
I also run a u12's team and I can understand where your coming from mate in being self funded. I'd hate to think of how much of my own money has been put in so far.
Hardest thing is finding a sponsor for a football kit. All of the cooperations that have thousands to millions and they all say no!

All the very best for the race night mate. I hope it's a major success and fair play to you for running the team.
All of the millions of pounds that are mentioned on here alone and we forget that the kids at grassroots level

Anything I can do, be sure to reply and were swap emails.

08 Jun 2017 18:04:24
Thanks all. We have just had coats from the speed foundation. Carol speed came to watch us play, which was an honour. Michael Owen doesn't do much for the local teams. It's the cost of the pitch and winter training which is roughly £1000 and then constant replenishment of equipment and courses for the coaches. We thought the subs would easily cover the costs but nowhere near.
My email for anyone that can help.
ashdec1@Gmail. Com thanks again.

08 Jun 2017 18:49:12
Sad to hear Ashy
Certainly when I was playing for Broughton Supersaints and Hawarden Rangers - Sychdyn always had loads of teams.

I would certainly give all both the Merseyside and Manchester teams a try

Other option is to have guest speaker event, certainly recall one by Kevin Ratcliffe and it made a lot of dosh.

08 Jun 2017 19:11:59
Good luck ashy.

Here's another suggestion. Buy some merchandise from the club shop and ask the club to get players to sign it. The auction the item.
It's value will increase greatly depending on the shirt and the signature. e. g. Get a 2005 shirt and ask Gerrard to sign it and Rafa Benitez? I'm sure Rafa would be generous.

08 Jun 2017 21:01:59
Thanks everyone for the info. I will hunt for the contact details for the clubs charity department and see who will be willing to help. Also a big thanks to Tilly2479 for his donation of a raffle prize.

08 Jun 2017 16:48:50
Any word from Joe Square Tomato? He must be pretty let down by Klopp after he said he would be given chances next season only to find out he could of been fifth choice if we signed VVD. Is he looking to leave? Any info would be much appreciated.

08 Jun 2017 16:33:09
We can be lucky that Southampton have accepted our apology and nothing further will come of this.

News of FSG also doing an internal investigations on why this mess happened.

Time for our owners to man up and stop letting the circus take over at Liverpool time and time again.

Hopefully this is the last time we get caught out for illegal practice.

08 Jun 2017 16:23:20
Hey all, haven't posted in a while but this whole saga has got me wanting to give my opinion haha.

When the deal for vvd looked like it was going to go thru so many posters were saying waste of money and it was too high a fee and wage, now that it looks like it might be off everyone seems to be back to wanting him again it seems people only want what they can't have! I think the price is one thing but the wage is an entirely other if it's true that it'd be close to 200k per week! That would surely have a knock on effect on some of our other top class players who aren't getting that and in my own opinion I'd rather a happy squad and a balanced book over one central defender! Look at where he came from, Celtic! There are far more footballers out there than him and our scouts need to up their game to find these! Arsene wenger said it well during the week when he was talking about all good signings not being the ones who go for big money, think he was referencing rob holding or something. Anyway the point is if vvd is off it could be a good thing for the club overall and the money could be used elsewhere and the wages wudnt have to be increased across the sqaud. How many people knew of baily before man u bought him? And he's had a pretty good season! There's countless other players I could name, some in our squad too!

Personally I do like vvd but I'm just saying not getting him isn't the end of the world and could be a good thing for the club. If it was up to me I'd be happier getting a top class striker, a winger, a full back and then maybe look at adding a cb or a midfielder depending on outgoings.

08 Jun 2017 15:54:59
Hi guys, first time poster been on for for a while tho. Eds love the work you boys are doing! Can I just ask we seem to be rumoured to be buying a lot of players VVD (who I'm hoping we pull off but hope and reality are different things) Salah, James Rodriguez, Assenio but are we actually looking like we have any actual realistic options were targeting?

{Ed001's Note - Salah and VVD are realistic options, they both want to sign for us after all.}

08 Jun 2017 16:37:46
Which is crazy with all that has happened, Ed. I think we should just pay what they want and prevent these players from the limbo they will be in next season, playing for a club they no longer want to play for. We have not only messed up ourselves with their clubs, we have also messed these players up and that cannot bode well for future transfer targets. Thought?

{Ed001's Note - agreed.}

08 Jun 2017 15:36:28
Question for Ed01, what do you think about Jamie Carraghers comments about Liverpool getting caught out with VVD? If you haven't seen them he's claiming every club in the premier league does this and what has pissed Southampton off the most is that it has got out into the media? Are his comments even closely true and if so if this a major problem we don't normally hear about? If we had paid up and none of this was leaked out, we wouldn't be any the wiser! I hope this gets sorted out and LFC change there ways!

{Ed001's Note - not every club does it, but it does happen a lot more than gets out in the media. We have overpaid to Saints in the past for players because of having annoyed them by tapping up certain players. Many clubs do steer close to the wind, but we have become brazen and blatant with it.}

08 Jun 2017 15:54:05
Thanks for the fast reply! Hopefully Liverpool do the right thing to resolve this for all parties including the player!

{Ed001's Note - the problem with this one is how blatant it has been and the price of the player is so high too. Fingers crossed we sort something so everyone is satisfied though.}

08 Jun 2017 15:14:25
does this finally mean we get to rip up the Southampton credit card? I also think that klopp should be banned by the club in talking to anyone who is not a lfc employee, he should give his list of the players he would like to fsg and then take a back seat until those players are purchased. We are in serious danger of being punished by both the epl and uefa, our reputation lies in tatters, we must repair this damage as possible other wise a transfer window for us in the future would consist of selling not buying players, its not like we had not dealt with Southampton before either, what a shambles, this arrogance we currently have needs to go as well.

08 Jun 2017 13:48:52
Well done eng u20 beat italy 3-1. Brace from solanke and a good shift by ojo when he came on as sub.

08 Jun 2017 14:03:07
Yeah nice poachers double for Sol even if 2nd was a little lucky again. Will be good to have him confident upon his arrival. Ojo made a real impact. Personally, I would be very tempted to keep him, Wilson and Woodburn in the squad this season as backup options and competing for a place on the bench or cup starts.

08 Jun 2017 14:09:41
Nowt wrong with havin a striker that's lucky :)

08 Jun 2017 14:27:57
Exactly, Kloppcat. And it's nice to see a (soon-to-be) Liverpool striker making an impact at a tournament. Another brace in the final for the golden boot would be nice!

08 Jun 2017 15:41:31
Under 20's World Cup Final is live on British Eurosport at 11am on Sunday.
Good luck lads. 👍🏼.

08 Jun 2017 13:36:24
Watching U20's. Solanke took his goal well and looks lively. Turning point though was the introduction of Ojo. Had a part to play in both goals and could easily have picked up a goal himself.

{Ed025's Note - very good burkey..

08 Jun 2017 13:23:41
Change of subject. Solanke just scored for England U20 v Italy.

08 Jun 2017 13:36:45
The kids got goals!

08 Jun 2017 13:39:36
And Ojo was involved in the goal too. Solanke's done well in this tournament.

08 Jun 2017 13:44:21
And again.

08 Jun 2017 13:45:19
Solanke scores again. Looking quite impressive too 👍🏼.

{Ed025's Note - the liverpool lads done really well in the supporting cast of the everton world cup show liver.. :)

08 Jun 2017 14:40:38
Fair play Ed025.Lookman was man of the match.

{Ed025's Note - i think its unfair to single anyone out liver, they all done well as a collective and we played some really good stuff mate..

08 Jun 2017 12:42:20
Unless I have misunderstood, I think ed001's approach to fixing this is the best - enter negotiations with these teams by the book. Southampton have a player who wants to leave for us, ask them if they will consider a bid now, match the figured, and get the player. Same with Roma. We may overpay a bit, but to avoid transfer investigations, screwing over players and clubs, and for our reputations, this needs to be done. If this means we don't have the cash to buy another player, so be it, our reputations and future deals may depend on it.

08 Jun 2017 15:10:22
I agree.

At the end of the day, the damage this can/ has caused will be worse than a few more million on each transfer unfortunately.

Hopefully the club will learn from it.

08 Jun 2017 15:51:19
Spot on, Fencey and Puzzled. You must always do things by the book cos in the end, you will always have your dignity intact even tho, you don't get who you want.

08 Jun 2017 12:23:14
Ed if southampon set a price and we went and matched it and they accepted it. Would thay be water under the bridg?

Or is there no way the deal can go through?

Im not bothered but eith nothing from macca i can't help but think there might still be somethunt happening.

{Ed001's Note - yes it is possible to make it right and sort things out.}

08 Jun 2017 12:47:52
imo we need to overpay them we have ****ed over vvd so bad other clubs pulled out his head must be battered plus its the right thing to do for are rep southampton and vvd.

08 Jun 2017 12:57:54
Sky reporting that City only interested if Southampton hugely decrease there asking price.

Think your right I don't think we have heard the end of this, player wants to go and we have the pressure of making it 'right' and where willing to pay a considerable amount apparently.

08 Jun 2017 17:33:01
Ed is a figure Southampton want (reported to be 70m now) really anything we can afford? I thought at the initial 50m fee. this was a crazy ask. Now it's even more ridiculous. I know the markets inflated but we have to keep some kind of control on the finances and future of the club? Surley?
For me 50m is madness; but we should pay up now concidering. But I feel it's way more than that as it stands. Scary to think what we could get elsewhere with it. that's willian or Sanchez for God sake lol Any input would be great (I know you don't like talking finances, understand if no reply) thanks.

{Ed001's Note - depends on how it is structured, who we sell and when it needs paying by.}

08 Jun 2017 11:59:11
Ed1, can I ask your opinion on what you see as the way forward now for the rest of the summer?

If you were in charge of transfers would you leave both VVD and Salah, apologise and move on?

{Ed001's Note - no way. We have to make things right for the players and the clubs or we will struggle to attract players in the future. That has to be the priority, doing what it take to put things right with Southampton and Roma.}

08 Jun 2017 12:24:22
Ed001 do you think that the best possible action for us is to back our apology up with cash, negotiate a price for both, pay up, take the players and apologize again then leave matters alone. Prove our apology by doing things correctly in future. Not that I think this will at all happen. We don't seem to have any honour anymore.

{Ed001's Note - yes that seems the best course of action now.}

08 Jun 2017 12:34:59
Do you think that's what we will do then Ed?

Thanks for all your replies Ed. You ed2 and ed25 have the patience of saints (no pun intended) putting up with us lot!

{Ed001's Note - to be honest I can't see us doing that for both players, no. I think the cost would be just way too much to do so.}

08 Jun 2017 12:43:14
We would lose all credibility within the footballing fraternity if we left players high and dry. We all know transfers can be long, protracted and complex, sometimes. If we're seen as a club that will pull out because things get hot or we don't know to conduct them, few teams/ players would want to risk starting negotiations or take them seriously. I think the only way out is for LFC to find the ways for both players to end up in LFC shirts without swallowing too high of a financial penalty/ pill. I don't know if it's possible. Both incidents will be classed as "ugly" transfers but we've all seen enough of those and they get brushed aside, in time. What doesn't get forgotten is players getting hung out to dry or a club's incompetence in carrying out an essential aspect of its activity - transfers.

08 Jun 2017 12:43:15
So we'll be missing out on vvd then probably? Especially if the £70m touted by ed2 (I think) is what they want.

{Ed001's Note - nothing is certain yet mate. Saints might be willing to accept different terms knowing that VVD wants out.}

08 Jun 2017 11:53:16
Window's a long time, wouldn't surprise me if VVD is in a Liverpool shirt come August. Need to move on though, get some much needed credibility back and make a couple of decent legit signings.

08 Jun 2017 12:06:50
Not happenimg RR. We have messed up big time mate. Eds have said its dead. We can't go back on our word, we have ended interest in him.

08 Jun 2017 11:34:14
To the tune of Rick Astley's famous hit:

Never going to tap you up, never going to let you down
Never going to turn your head, and desert you
Never going to make you cry, never going to say goodbye
Never going to tell a lie and hurt you

Never going to tap, never going to tap, tap you up.

08 Jun 2017 11:47:19
Nice one DS.

Remember this tune?

'Like a Virgil, tapped for the very first time. ''

08 Jun 2017 10:24:43
All this tapping up thing could have easily been avoided. LFC should have spoken to Van Dijk's agent and tried to convince the defender through him to join us. Klopp would have worked his magic on the agent, who would have advised Van Dijk to join US.

08 Jun 2017 09:48:38
It's about time we as Liverpool fans got over ourselves with this VVD saga we as a club have yet again acted arrogantly and stupidly we have as a result embarrassed ourselves on a global scale have potentionally destroyed any chance of adding 2 quality players to our 1st 11 and god knows what repercussions our childish behaviour (Oh VVD agent saying he had Southampton's blessings in dealing with us and no one bothered their arse to check if this was the case, really come on lads ) will have going forward for the rest of the transfer window . In any other walk of life heads would roll and those at fault would get the sack I just hope we as a club have finally learnt our lesson doubt it .

08 Jun 2017 10:12:37
Sorry about the eds just pissed of that we have acted in the way that we have, sickening that we could be so arragonant and unprofessional yet again .

08 Jun 2017 09:23:14
50.illion fot costa.

2 premier leagye titles.

20 goals a season

Runs his arse off for the team

Be abit of torres payback.

{Ed025's Note - big bag of trouble for me supermane, horrible person cheat and trouble maker..

08 Jun 2017 09:42:50
I liked him at Atletico, then I grew to hate him, before eventually growing to have him as my guilty pleasure haha.

I love watching him play against everyone except us. Would be a massive statement but for me, he is better to watch when he is causing trouble for someone else. I think I'd cringe at him in an Liverpool shirt squaring up to referees.

08 Jun 2017 11:04:23
Plus, I think he wants out of England.

08 Jun 2017 12:04:22
You only hate players like thay against you but love then for you.

Didnt wr all support a cannibal. Yes he did what he did but yo7 all loved him, admit it haha.

Costa up top would give that bite and attitude to us.

08 Jun 2017 12:45:20
Suarez had a temper, Costa is deliberately belligerent, that's a whole other level.

08 Jun 2017 09:19:06
Edd001,

I'm a little confused: If, and only if rumours are to be believed that Lukaku already knows which club he will be playing with next year, and EFC have stated he isn't for sale, how is this not tapping up? I know my knowledge of the transfer process is very weak but isn't this practically the same scenario as the VVD? Im Probably way off point.

{Ed001's Note - it really is difficult to tell. It really depends on whether Lukaku has spoken directly to any clubs without Everton's permission or not.}

08 Jun 2017 10:16:24
Ed wasn't Lukaku talking to the head of Chelsea person who does the transfer in the tunnel between Everton vs Chelsea could this be seen as tapping up I know it be hard to prove it and there friends so they could be talking about anything.

{Ed001's Note - no that is not going to be seen as tapping up mate. Everton had people around who could have easily overheard any attempt to do so.}

08 Jun 2017 10:19:46
If Everton are saying he's not for sale that would tell you they haven't given permission. So either he's been tapped up or the people's club are lying to the people.

08 Jun 2017 11:10:08
Good point. It appears tapping up is normal and ok. but only if you are prepared to pay the price.

08 Jun 2017 11:37:57
Seems to me Southampton were very very reluctant to sell, even with 50/ 60 million possibly coming there way.

Anything the saints could get there hands on in terms of jeopardising the deal they would jump on and in this case it was leaked information of us 'tapping up' which in hein sight I feel happens quite regularly behind closed doors in the transfer market but like Ed said yesterday I don't think this is the last of this matter.

08 Jun 2017 14:58:59
There is a difference between being "for sale" and being allowed to talk to a club.
Lukaku might not be for sale, Everton can still allow clubs to talk to him.

08 Jun 2017 09:02:35
Am I right in thinking there is a connection between FSG and Roma, surely if this is the case I am confused there is a problem about the transfer other than the fee. Surely the powers that be would want to avoid bad publicity.

{Ed001's Note - no connection as such. It was a previous investor in FSG that is no longer involved and has bought into Roma.}

08 Jun 2017 08:11:00
Ed01 thank u for sharing what u know about the vvd deal. My question is this just the start of it. Just before the end of the season klopp made a statement saying how they had really positive talks with players / agents over transfers and how interested they were in the project. At the time it didn't sit well with me based on what happened last summer zielinski we were accused of tapping up along with goetze. This feels like arrogance to me. Do u think we have tapped up other players this summer. Is it why we have stepped back from salah. Also the arrogance spreads to people like carra and other itks on twitter who claim that every club does this. Is it commonplace are we just unlucky naive or not savvy enough that we keep being caught. Finally as soon as I saw the headline the other nite saying we had one the race for vvd I sniffed trouble. Southampton were never mentioned. It almost seemed like an out of contract player. The media really did disrespect there place in all this and I have every sympathy for the way they have been dismissed. So called fans up on arms over what they did to protect the integrity of there club. Imagine the reaction if it was coutinho and barca.

{Ed001's Note - yes I do feel we have done this with others this summer, I know for a fact that we have done it in the recent past.

It is less commonplace than it was, due to it being more difficult to hide these days. It does still go on, but that is really irrelevant to a club the size of Liverpool. We have the pull to convince players to join us without needing to be sneaky and underhand.}

08 Jun 2017 09:24:56
To be fair ed.

Going against city, united and chelsea for moneh terms is hard.

But if we can afford a player then get the bid accepted then convince him.

{Ed001's Note - but money is not the issue. If it is was then we would lose anyway.}

08 Jun 2017 07:57:41
Thaks edd1 for the info you gave. For such a big worldwide club its all just so embarrassing. How much extra damage has this done to our reputation when it comes to transfers? Im imagining we are a laughing stock.

{Ed001's Note - it is extremely damaging and we will have to be seen to do everything the right way from now on.}

08 Jun 2017 07:37:50
Eds a question if i may . what do you think are the reasons behind the club continually looking poor when it comes to transfers?
Is it the structure and set up of that aspect of the club, poor appointments in key positions, lack of real leadership in that aspect of the club or a bit of everything
It's just so frustrating that we don't seem to ever learn.

{Ed001's Note - feels like arrogance to me. The structure and set up of the club needs to change too. FSG have made changes but we have no way of knowing how effective they will be.}

08 Jun 2017 07:35:05
No insider info here or anything but I think Salah will still happen. People being put off by sky reports if you read the full article it's actually comical.

We were priced out of salah for 37 million but are more than happy to pay in excess of 40 million for our next in line?

Like surely even the proofreader for sky would be like ah seriously are we actually going to run this?

08 Jun 2017 08:56:43
Like last season when we failed to land Zielinski for about £12m and then signed our second choice Wijnaldum for £25m?

It isn't as crazy as it seems mate. Players may be first choice because they are seen as better value for money, not necessarily because they are better.

In my job I am required to spec up bespoke tooling. I go to about 4 different suppliers and the select which quote to go with based on quality, cost, lead time, and practicality (for example we have one supplier in Milton Keynes and one supplier in Italy, so guess which one I'd prefer to work with! ) .

It is similar for transfer deals. The quality of the player is not the only deciding factor.

08 Jun 2017 06:16:09
Go back 3 months.

If someone offered you VVD for £60m would you have taken it?
I know I wouldn't.

I am disappointed how things have turned out, but I think most of that is just down to the natural feeling of missing out or loosing something.

My opinion is that if we are to pay over the odds for a player then it should be in a position that we really need, LB, RB, left forward or a world class holding midfielder.

08 Jun 2017 03:00:55
Dear Eds, do you think there is a remote chance that VVD transfer can happen this summer? Or are we seeing the end of our dealings with Soton henceforth. Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - it is unlikely to happen as we will not pay the money required.}

08 Jun 2017 08:10:30
Not because we have said we have ended interest in him ed?

{Ed001's Note - that means little. It is the price being asked that has seen us pull out of a move, rather than just paying them to make it go away.}

07 Jun 2017 22:45:43
EDS what's your view on Micahel Edwards in all of this regarding Vvd transfer.

{Ed001's Note - bit soon to judge him, this is lower down the scale than him. The way to judge him will be by how we move on from here and if he makes changes to ensure it does not happen in future under him.}

08 Jun 2017 01:36:33
Liverpool are just going to end up paying a world transfer fee for VVD because the player will hand in a transfer request.

But the embarrassing episode will never be forgotten.

08 Jun 2017 00:13:28
Have I missed something? Is the Salah deal off now? Judging by everyone's comments it is but I've not seen anything on it. Is this in reaction to the VVD deal or has something happened? Thanks in advance.

08 Jun 2017 00:19:03
It's as good as off. We'll buy Demerai Gray for £25m and the club will make out he's the second coming. Standard. Sixth place head we come.

08 Jun 2017 00:52:44
Always the first with a baseless negative comment unfounded in fact mr Frankly.

{Ed001's Note - that's not fair, there are a lot of baseless negative comments that often beat his.}

08 Jun 2017 07:11:39
I'm only going by our previuos form, which isn't good.

07 Jun 2017 23:45:31
The days of trying to play hard ball are long gone if you want to have the best players you have to pay the price quoted by their clubs exaggerated as they may be, to think that we learnt nothing from the Clint Dempsey saga is just mind boggling how can we believe that in this present day that we don't need to talk to the players club to seak permission to talk to their player before entering any kind of talks fair enough if we don't think a player is worth a certain price then move on but the better players are becoming more and more scarse and the longer we drag our heels on paying the said price for good players the less likelihood we will move on into becoming genuine title contenders another 5 yr plan going no where if we continue to act in the way we have with Southampton and the VVD farce .

08 Jun 2017 01:13:32
No you don't though.

You don't seriously suggest we should kf pay 60/ 75 million pounds for vvd do you?

Every transfer is probably below what the selling team wants.

If chelsea are walking away because of prices then you know they arw rediculous.

You will be seen as more of a mug if you just oay the full fee.

Everyone will start asking fot 150 mil.

08 Jun 2017 06:20:40
I did say Supermane that if the club do not think a player is not worth the money being quoted then move on this was never more the case with the VVD saga but to be squabbling with Roma over a couple of million in order to get the Salah deal done is typical of our attitude in the transfer market . Like most of us I was delighted to think we were finally dining at the top table for players but did think we were getting ripped at the same time for a player who cost Celtic 4million only 4 years ago but if we continue to act they way we have we will end up with 1. a transfer ban or 2.No one of quality wanting to come to us.

07 Jun 2017 23:28:31
Remember 48 hours ago. That was happy times. VVD all but signed, Salah deal done. What on earth happened!

08 Jun 2017 00:04:28
Standard Liverpool practice happened.

08 Jun 2017 00:08:44
I can see the headlines now. 'Complete and Dijk heads'.

08 Jun 2017 00:04:28
Standard Liverpool practice happened.

08 Jun 2017 00:08:44
I can see the headlines now. 'Complete and Dijk heads'.

08 Jun 2017 00:19:23
Window hasn't even opened yet, it's going to be a very long summer.

08 Jun 2017 02:19:44
Sucks as the deal was virgily done. hope we don't toss the salah on future deals. we will look like a bunch of ayre heads.

07 Jun 2017 23:17:57
Just a quick question Eds.

I know the VVD deal is 99.99% over at best but I was just wondering has there ever been anything like this in the past we're a deal has been resurrected. For example if nobody comes in for a player and the player pushes for a move from the club. We've seen it before when a player has dug there heels in and there value has fallen especially if the player refuses to play or is dropped etc. Also did we have a good relationship with Southampton before this deal, they must be getting fed up of us coming in for there players.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs have completed deals for players they have tapped up in order to have the club drop a complaint. In other cases players have ended up in the football wilderness after tapping up - a young French left back was promised a move by the then manager of a German side who also promised they could prey together each day. After no move happened and the illegal approach was found out the club released him and he ended up in the Russian second division. Virgil van Dijk is now in a very difficult situation himself because of what Liverpool and Klopp have done. But as we know, Liverpool to no care one iota about the damage they do to players.}

08 Jun 2017 00:21:03
It all sounds like an absolute mine field. It's a disgrace what we've done. I may be living in dream land but I hope in some way the deal could be resurrected and if so I'd like the club to make some sort of goodwill gesture to repair relations between the clubs. We don't want another Fulham situation. Plus I think we need to do something to start repairing our reputation, but for the life of me I don't know we're we'd start.

08 Jun 2017 01:45:32
Which French player are you referencing here ed not sure im familiar.

{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}