Liverpool Banter Archive June 08 2016

 

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08 Jun 2016 23:44:22
I don't not rate Mané as a player, but when you don't start every week for Southampton, you should not be worth £30million.
People try to claim we should never have bought Lallana who was roughly the same age, coming off a better season than Mané is and obviously there's the English premium to factor in!
I was personally delighted with the Lallana signing and think he's done better for us than many make out- even in his first season he struggled with consistency due to injuries, but was one of our better players, I felt.

Mané brings pace. Fine. We need it. But that doesn't make someone a £30million player. Especially not when there are concerns about their attitude!
For everyone levelling stats about how much of a goal threat he is, they aren't that dissimilar to Benteke's from last season.

Sané for instance would supposedly not be interested, and we may have had a bid rejected, but are you telling him he wouldn't be worth £10million more than Mané?
The S&M really changed things up there.

Julian Brandt, Max Meyer so on, £30million is big money for Liverpool Football Club to be spending, and those players are fast too, but younger, have greater potential and no supposed attitude problems that I am aware of!

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09 Jun 2016 00:27:31
Agreed. I think lallana gets a raw deal on here, he doesn't get the credit for the passes that he does which set up the assist. I've seen coutinho get his praises sung for setting up an assist, but when it's lallana people seem blind and desperate to slag him off no matter what.


09 Jun 2016 00:50:25
We know what mane does in this leauge and we don't what the other you say can do . This is more a risk in my eyes.


09 Jun 2016 07:55:58
Some players will never be praised here tbh they could score 3 goals a match and still sell sell sell. He has brought more assists and goal is the trigger for pressing and creates space for others when he got confidence he didn't slow the ball as much.


08 Jun 2016 23:30:37
Trying to base this on who I've seen us linked with and who is likely to sign, with a splash or two of who'd I would like us to sign.

Outs:
bogdan (>£1m)
benteke (£20m)
balo (£5m)
couts (£40m)
skrtel (£4m)
wisdom (£2m)
ilori (£1m)

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09 Jun 2016 00:10:55
Sounds about right but in my opinion if we let Coutinho go for less then £60m its unreal, Sterling can't be worth more then him.


09 Jun 2016 09:04:41
The usual suspects with their insidious agenda against an excellent footballer. I wouldn't rise to the bait folks, the sane amongst us know his worth and i for one hope he proves you all wrong and has a stormer next season.


09 Jun 2016 05:45:15
Coutinho is only worth what the market is prepared to pay for him, similar to any saleable commodity.


08 Jun 2016 23:21:36
Wish people would lay off hendo. He is our captain, and gives everything virtually every time he plays.
Please remember he was plagued by injuries last season. When fit the guy is class. Do not understand the criticism of him by so many.

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08 Jun 2016 23:52:15
It was always going to happen we had Gerrard for so long and he's got big shoes to fill.


08 Jun 2016 23:59:50
I think you're spot on Phil. For all of Milner's assists he achieved last season, when both players are on form he doesn't have the same degree of composure and ability to help the team tick as a unit. He's a calming presence who never seems to let the occasion get the better of him. Hopefully if he can maintain his fitness next season and get his foot injury problems aside, then we'll be able to see the Hendo who earned himself the armband in the first place as i believe he should be well suited to Klopp's pressing game.


09 Jun 2016 00:14:44
He shouldn't be injured that much though, he's at the age where he should be on fire and he's not. its no secret I'm not a fan of him but come on, he was injured far too much last season yes maybe unlucky, but you going to defend him if he's injured as much next season? this can't carry on. next summer he'll be off, when he's fit he has a odd decent game, he's not special, yes he's our captain. means nothing. Rodgers made that decision and it was a wrong one mark my words.

The words class cannot be put on Hendo, he's average at best.


09 Jun 2016 00:52:34
People do it with Sturridge to if we what to go some where we need the centre of the pitch to be solid and fit.


09 Jun 2016 01:23:36
Henderson is meant to be Sunderland's captain much like Mark Noble for Westham. I do not know why Liverpool poach him away from Sunderland.


09 Jun 2016 03:47:02
"He shouldn't be injured that much though" Yea, because you can choose when to get injuries. So one injury hit season and "this can't carry on" You're absolutely clueless! Never had issues with injuries before, might never have them again. Gerrard had a lot more injury problems than Henderson has had, since everyone seems so keen to compare them. The fact you think he has "the odd decent game" shows you don't understand the role he plays in the side. He's not there to hit shots from 40 yards into the top corner every game, but that's what you must expect. His first touch is excellent, good vision, technique and passing range, reads the game well, breaks up opponents attacks before they even start, superb crossing, if Sterling could finish Hendo would've had over 20 assists in Sterling's last year. His finishing does need work however, and can tend to overrun it at times.

He's also a very good leader! In Gerrard's last year we were leading 2-1 against West Brom in injury time and Gerrard had the opportunity to bring it into the corner and run down the clock further. Instead he chose to play the ball to Balotelli on the edge of the box who, yet again, failed to hit the target. Henderson roared at Gerrard, called him out for not taking the ball into the corner, something no-one had done for a couple of years, something our side lacks when he's out. He's never been bullied in midfield. He won't be bullied in midfield! Our record when he captains us speaks for itself.

He is our captain, and he will remain so, unless he decides he wants to move on, because there's no chance the club will want to lose him! It's quite shocking that people think he's not good enough when, at the moment, he's too good for us!


{Ed001's Note - well said.}

09 Jun 2016 05:34:45
@You - one of the best posts that I have read on here in some time.


09 Jun 2016 05:50:38
Here here!


09 Jun 2016 06:59:57
Too good for us? Your speaking out your backside mate. Let's see what happens after next season.


09 Jun 2016 07:28:17
Deluded people don't understand what Henderson brings to the team. he's good at everything not just amazing at one thing. If he had been for all last season I gaurentee we would have had a trophy and further up the league!


09 Jun 2016 08:08:27
The primary reason we lost the league 2 seasons ago was Henderson missing the last few games. Enough said. Gerrards legs were gone and Henderson covered him for that season. When Henderson was gone we were wide open.


09 Jun 2016 09:39:29
Agree totally about hendo. Weve been far worse without him. Our captain. Shoukd be straight in the England team.


09 Jun 2016 05:47:26
The last thing Henderson is is a good leader. He more often than not, goes missing when it really matters.


08 Jun 2016 22:03:16
Has anybody seen this Ruben Neves lad play? Lots of rumours flying around. Nothing concrete.

I can tell just from research that he is a young midfielder who's game is based on defensive awareness and a good passing range.

But is he actually anything special? Is he so much better than Stewart or Chirivella that we should put down the £30m it would take to land him? Just wondering because the last 4 times we've plundered a player from a Portuguese club we've ended up with Meireles, Teixeira, Ilori and Markovic. I think it goes without saying that was £45m not well spent regardless of why the players never made it here.

Then you have Stoke sign this Imbula lad who is apparently one of the best midfielders in Portugal and it turns out he is like Bambi on ice with slightly less grace. Don't even get me started on Hulk, Fernando or Nani.

These Portuguese sides want a kings ransom for their players, and it almost always turns out it was just an average player shining in a very top heavy league (and by that I mean there are 4 football teams in Porto, Sporting, Braga and Benfica, with the numbers being made up with cannon fodder) .

Obvious exceptions include Falcao (pre-injury), Moutinho and Ronaldo, but at least in our four cases, they turn out to be massive wastes of money!

I just want to know from someone who actually watches Portuguese football avidly if Neves is in the same class as Ronaldo? Or Ilori?

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08 Jun 2016 22:46:20
Adam, completely and utterly un-scientific, as I don't watch Portuguese football, but I am an avid fan of Championship Manager (lol! ) . In CM14, CM15 and CM16 he is an absolute beast! As he is on FIFA.

He is also regularly in the top 10/ 20 teenagers in world football.

however, he does seem to be highly regarded all round, much more so than players like the 4 we have bought in the past.

I like what I have read and (limitedly) seen of him, and would be rather excited by his signing.


08 Jun 2016 22:58:25
Good post MK, i'd rather keep Stewart and Chirivella as £30M is far too much for Neves whos true value is around £12M and Stewart looked quite comfortable as long as he don't try and do too much and just keeps it simple than i'm sure he could have a long term future at the club.


09 Jun 2016 00:49:14
How come £12m BigD, and not £13m?


09 Jun 2016 03:07:57
Rubén neves is light years ahead of any of our youngsters. I do rate some of our youngsters but I can't even say they will make it, let's be honest. I've seen Rubén play quite a few times for 2 seasons now and he would represent real intent if we went in for him. Not just because I personally rate him but because pretty much everyone that has watched him rates him as well. I would be shocked if we managed to get him in, as I don't think we are even interested in him. I believe ed02 mentioned we had scouts at a Porto match earlier in the season and it may have been to watch Rubén. I know £30m is a lot of money, but it would be much better spent than bringing in mane let me tell you (or a lot of the other players we are interested in) .


08 Jun 2016 21:15:27
Milner hendo and lallana, for me are pretty similar players, their best attribute is running around and they all don't contribute many goals. Lallana should contribute the most, hendo you can forgive, but misses sitters regularly. He's the best presser though, but what's the point when he doesn't use the ball when he wins it. If all three left I wouldn't bat an eyelid, but I'd be happiest if hendo stayed, and the other two left, but don't see it. I think hendo has a lot more to offer, where the other two have reached their potentialal. Lallana has the ability to, but doesn't seem to learn. When he does play quickly, he's not a half bad player, but far to often does he waste time and space.

For me, to go up a level, we need to move away from this type of player. A player with a good attitude, fitness, and the ability to hurt Teams is what we need.
Every player in dortmunds front 4, I'd back to finish a one on one, but not lallana and Milner, yet they all press are quick and fit.

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09 Jun 2016 00:28:57
Spoken like a true red. Wait. what?


09 Jun 2016 00:37:26
Hendo Is criminally under rated in my opinion.

I genuinely believe he is a better passer than Gerrard. He doesn't just hit the Hollywood ball at every opportunity, but when he goes for it, they are deadly accurate. He also plays a lot of through balls either in behind the opposition midfield, and occasionally the defence. His delivery from wide areas in open play is also very dangerous. He gets excellent whip on his first time crosses. He talks to Emre and other young players all the way through the game and demands more of his older team mates, which in my opinion is excellent leadership. He is brilliant at reading danger and very positionally aware. He has the stamina and power to get up and down the pitch for 90 minutes without his performance level fading as the game goes on.

Where he falls down for me, and probably why people still fornicate over Stevie is that (a) his composure in front of goal is lacking (b) his set piece delivery is average and (c) he doesn't have the change of pace to go past a player with the ball at his feet.

He is an excellent midfielder though, and a very good captain. I really don't get the flak he receives. He is not as good a player as Gerrard was in terms of attacking flair, goal scoring ability, and technical quality, but he is in my opinion a much better captain and a much better central midfielder. Gerrard was never vocal, never a good role model, and he never had to tactical brain to play anywhere other than an attacking position. He led the team with inspiration, rather than actually being a good leader. Carragher was the boss on the pitch.

Hendo for me needs to work on his dead ball technique, and stay calm when he finds himself in a good position and he could be world class. He can't just change his physical limits so his lack of acceleration will always prevent him from having the ability to beat players regularly, but there are aspects of his game he needs to and should improve on.

He is genuinely the last player in our squad I would sell though.


09 Jun 2016 02:08:51
Wondefully put MK. Spot on about Hendo.


08 Jun 2016 20:49:14
I like Mane. I think he's a good player and everything we've been missing. He'd add that width and directness we've been crying out for and Ibe and been unable to provide.

I've already said Bellarabi would have been my ideal pick and closer to what I'd expect return wise for the rumoured £30m asking price for Mane. I agree with @MK it seems a bit steep but then should we as fans concern ourselves with that side of things or should that just be left to the club? Furthermore, are all these transfer fees just so high and absurd now that they should be taken with a pinch? I don't know, I guess that's an argument in itself.

His ability as a player is obvious but like many have said:
1. Is there better value out there for that wide man position?
2. Do his past behavioural issues outweigh the positives he brings as a player?

IMO,
1. Yes there is, one potential option who I think should be considered is Julian Brandt. 10 goals and 5 assists this season for a 20 year old. Included in the Gemrnay provisional squad after a great season. Wouldn't cost as much, has more potential and wouldn't have the baggage.

2. Maybe, not sure on this one. Ed001 says so but I think it could go either way. Depends on whether he can sort himself out.

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08 Jun 2016 22:42:37
Mane has too much baggage regardless of his immense talent hence, no sense signing players with talent yet with baggage. Suarez had way more baggage but way more talent. We're done with such players, IMO.


08 Jun 2016 23:48:47
Bellarabi would have been an excellent choice for a winger, but seemingly, despite having him watched, we have no interest unfortunately, and Ed002 says he expects him to stay. So, Bellarabi is not an option IMO.

For a player with attitude issues off the pitch, discipline issues on the pitch and with large inconsistent patches throughout the season, and for transfer fee over 30 million, I certainly think we can do better than Mane.


08 Jun 2016 23:48:47
Bellarabi would have been an excellent choice for a winger, but seemingly, despite having him watched, we have no interest unfortunately, and Ed002 says he expects him to stay. So, Bellarabi is not an option IMO.

For a player with attitude issues off the pitch, discipline issues on the pitch and with large inconsistent patches throughout the season, and for transfer fee over 30 million, I certainly think we can do better than Mane.


09 Jun 2016 00:38:31
My choice would've been Kingsley Coman, but I'm sometimes overly ambitious ;)

Good post Puzzled.


08 Jun 2016 20:42:41
what were our scout's doing when we played Villa real in the UEFA cup? there centre half Baily stood out like sore thumb while our scouts sat on their thumbs and now the mancs have bought him.

sorry but these so called experts scouting personnel at LFC are useless. no wonder we are where we are with players who cost millions and are average at best . This department of LFC needs to be looked at and quickly and top scouts brought in now.

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08 Jun 2016 22:13:11
Maybe because we have zero interest in the lad. Along with Matip coming in on a free. We already have Lovren and Sakho plus Gomez and Toure as backup. So what your saying is that we should spend 30mill on a position that we already have good cover for.


08 Jun 2016 22:20:16
So you want players signed after one good performance against us? Is that not how we ended up with Bogdan?


08 Jun 2016 22:25:16
From a money point of view. There is an allocates budget, and more pressing matters. Would you be happy with bailly and then not address lb, cm and winger?

Or would you prefer to stick with sakho, Gomez, lovren and matip and have maybe hector, chilwell, dahoud and mane?

They would of known his qualities but we didn't need him. Personally I would of loved him but not at the expense of our other positions.


08 Jun 2016 22:27:05
Wow really we have lots of cbs lovren Sakho Matip toure skutel Gomez . We are fine for this postion .


08 Jun 2016 23:06:09
Maybe we approached him and he or his agent said no european football then I'm not interested.

Hard as it is to accept; not every player wants to play for us anymore! Hopefully that will change in the seasons to come!


08 Jun 2016 23:52:04
I didn't think he was anything special in the two games we played against Villareal. Looks a bit clumsy and positionally naive and for that sort of transfer fee for a player who has only had 2 seasons of senior football under him, I am very glad we never moved for him. Besides, we have 3 strong first choice CBs (Sakho, Lovren and Matip) and Gomez and Lucas to cover, and only 40 matches initially to play. It would have been ludicrous to spend that much money on a player LFC have no need for.


09 Jun 2016 01:30:08
If u watch athletico vd villareal, your opinion will chanhge. even ex liverpool ageing superstar Torres pawnz bailly big time.


08 Jun 2016 20:20:42
Ed1 - curious to hear your thoughts on mane and if you think he would be a good fit?

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{Ed001's Note - as a player he is excellent and exactly what we need. Trouble is that he has a dreadful attitude and we should steer well clear as he brings far too much baggage. No good having talent if you are not applying it.}

08 Jun 2016 21:06:56
On his day he's quality, but he's very inconsistent too.


08 Jun 2016 21:09:51
Cheers Ed. Wouldn't some have said the same of Suarez?


{Ed001's Note - when did Suarez miss training and not turn up to team meetings? Different kind of attitude problem.}

08 Jun 2016 21:10:40
Eds 2.what is wrong with Manes attitude? Have there been specific incidents? Cheers.


{Ed001's Note - lots of late attendances or missed training sessions and team meetings.}

08 Jun 2016 21:28:09
Do you think he could turn a new leaf? After all he is still young and he has plenary of time to learn.


{Ed001's Note - no idea, I don't know the lad well enough to know if he is just young and being an arse through immaturity or if he is just an arse.}

08 Jun 2016 22:18:43
Sounds pretty much as your opinion on Gotze?


{Ed001's Note - no, Goetze has injury problems, that is why I would steer clear.}

08 Jun 2016 20:16:58
I just thought i'd take a minute to evaluate this sudden james milner love in.

The guy has somehow managed to get 15 assists and 5 goals this year. However for me he only had two good performances, against dortmund and against villareal.

The rest of the time he was not only anonymous, but a liability. People have such short memories the season is over now, they just keep looking at milners statistics and thinking he had a good year, but they forget just how unbearable he is to watch in many games.

He doesn't score. 3 goals came from penalties.

His crosses are 99% of the time woeful and he his corners are a disgrace.

He slows the play down because he isn't quick and plays like he's running in treacle. His every move looks like that of an ageing old man, he spends most of the game on his arse after falling over.

Contrary to what people may think, he just isn't a 'solid defensive winger', 'adaptable in many positions' and doesn't have 'exceptional work rate'. He just huffs and puffs a lot with little result and gets plaudits. He doesn't have defensive intelligence and constantly gives the ball away going forward.

On top of all this, he is on over 100k a week and is over 30, not going to get any better anytime soon.

The fact is the only reason i believe he got so many assists was just because he was on the pitch so often, they were more of a trial and error than him being an exceptional creative talent.

I think people have genuinly got what i call 'joe allen syndrome' with milner. They see a player who doesn't do a lot and isn't very flash and begin to associate words like 'good work rate', 'solid squad player' 'dependable', 'a good lad and top proffessional' etc etc

Guys. He doesn't contribute enough. He holds us back on the field and in my opinion people have been fooled into thinking he is a better player than he really is. Coupled with the fact he is 31 and on so much money, i can't see any reason why he shouldn't leave. However i can't see that happening.

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{Ed001's Note - agreed, get rid please. Though I personally think you over rate his contribution, he is nothing like as good as you say.....}

08 Jun 2016 21:02:48
Your assessment is pretty much spot on. He is a good right midfielder. Not a winger, not a forward, not anywhere near a central midfield role of any ilk. He is just average everywhere else.

Problem is you don't pay £150k a week to a 'good' player. His level is top 10, maybe top 8. He will never be what is required to push on.

If he was on £60k a week, he would probably be worth keeping as a utility player for the squad. As our top earner though, he has to go.

He is simply not good enough. Just cross your fingers that he has a good run in the Euros and his uefa ranking as the 5th best player in Europe (still laughing about that by the way) is enough to trick someone in to taking him off our hands. He is literally just an overpaid Mark Noble. Scores the odd penalty and runs around a lot. Maybe that is enough for West Ham who deem scraping a Europa league spot as a successful season, but it is not good enough for a club like Liverpool when we are spending money and paying wages like a Champions league club despite only being in it once in the last 6 years!

He epitomises everything wrong with Liverpool's financial management. Average players on world class wages.


08 Jun 2016 21:08:05
Have you seen how many bad fouls he makes too, most coming from when he's puffing and can't get back quick enough.


08 Jun 2016 21:25:03
I heard Guardiola is looking to buy Milner, Henderson, Moreno and Clyne.
As if.
That's where we are.


08 Jun 2016 22:05:34
A lot of them are trying to recover from a shocking first touch as well Fencey!


08 Jun 2016 23:55:01
I think Milner had a good finish to the season, and the 15 assists and 5 goals cannot all be accidents! I was against buying him in the first place, but I thought he did well as the season went on.

I wouldn't mind if he stays or goes, but moving him on could be difficult due to his gigantic wage, and that only a handful in the PL can pay that wage, and those who can pay that, don't want him.


08 Jun 2016 19:47:07
I think Mane would be a good signing myself.
We have been crying out for a winger all season, not only will he provide goals and assists but just him being on the pitch will bring out the best in several more also, whatever full/ wing back will be behind him will be able to concentrate on defence rather than trying to provide width and getting out of position, so a bonus for the defence, our build up and counter attacks have been slow, he will remedy that, he will provide quick passes and crosses into dangerous areas so our forwards will also benefit.
Basically he will provide a different dimension to our attack, one that's been missing a while and as an added bonus help the defence keep it's shape.

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08 Jun 2016 20:20:25
That's all very true mate. But pretty much all the positives you have listed come with any natural wide player who has pace!

I'm not saying Mane is no better than any old winger. He is clearly an upgrade on everything we have at the club.

I think most peoples arguments is that he isn't worth the fee Southampton want. £30m should be world class territory. I'm thinking Reus or Insigne for that kind of cash.

Mane is a good player. But he has baggage. Poor attitude, rash decisions, inconsistency. When you pay £30m for a player you should be getting a player like Sanchez or Aguero. Not Mane. But having said that, if Andros Townsend is worth £15m then perhaps that is just the market we have to live with. Players are just over priced now. Sterling was £50m and Mane is easily at his level.

I think Mane is the type of player we need, but I'm not sure he is the right player or the right price.

If he signs for us, I will give him every chance to prove me wrong. He is still only 24 and average players don't break records set by Robbie Fowler.


08 Jun 2016 20:38:16
I hope we steer well clear as the money Southampton are asking, I'd want a world class player and Mane is not one of those.


08 Jun 2016 20:46:42
Sanchez is not a great player, he was poor for large parts last season, you are contradicting yourself when you say about Mane being inconsistent, there was nobody more inconsistent than Sanchez last season, also his passing is awful, when he doesn't get time to think he can do real good things but he is very over rated.


08 Jun 2016 22:10:09
17 goals and 11 assists from Alexis Sanchez despite him missing 2 months with a hamstring injury. Not to mention his relentless work rate. He misplaces a fair few passes because he takes risks and tries to make thinks happen. I'd rather that than Joe '93% pass accuracy' Allen. Perhaps that's just me though.

Sanchez is definitely a great player!


08 Jun 2016 22:46:19
The fact that you think Sanchez is not a great player shows how little you know of him. You do know we tried to sign him by offering more money in fees and wages than Arsenal did yet he picked them. Had he picked us, would u be saying that?


08 Jun 2016 23:10:44
If he was a great player then why was Barcelona desperate to get rid? Also misplaces a FEW passes? You mean one out of 2? Vastly overrated. Good but nowhere near great.


08 Jun 2016 23:56:54
I think Sanchez is an excellent player, and having followed him from his Udinese days, I have no doubt that he would easily walk into our team and run the show.


09 Jun 2016 00:13:52
Mighty reds Barcelona got rid of sanchez because he had a run in with the dictator known as Leo Messi.


09 Jun 2016 00:19:12
Barcelona got rid of him because Messi felt threatened by his talent, and drove him out of the club to make sure he would still be the main man.

I thought this was common knowledge?


09 Jun 2016 00:22:57
Because Barcelona had Messi, Suarez and Neymar?
Sanchez is a great player, but there's very few forwards who would get any where near those three.


08 Jun 2016 19:38:34
Just a quick one. When Klopp signed reus, lewnadovski, hummels, etc they were not seen as world class. Rough gems.
We get klopp and starts to try to do the same and he is slagged for not signing a load of 30m players. Judge are signing in a year.

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08 Jun 2016 20:06:21
Great post.


08 Jun 2016 20:09:14
I don't think klopp has ever signed a player at £30 million. Mkhitaryan was his most expensive purchase just under £20 million looking at his Dortmund transfers the players he signed at the prices he signed compared to their value now is unbelievable if he could do the same again i'd never care if we signed a 30 million player again.


08 Jun 2016 20:46:46
So bloody true buddy!


08 Jun 2016 20:51:32
This is a point that many lfc aimply refused to recognise.


08 Jun 2016 21:18:04
Very true mate.


08 Jun 2016 22:11:41
Well said.


08 Jun 2016 22:48:51
Top post. In fact, players like Hummels was a Bayern reject who was well on his way to rotting in the reserves before he forced his transfer to Dortmund. Now, Bayern are buying him back for 30m.


08 Jun 2016 23:25:25
Also if there was one criticism of klopp at Dortmund it was his big money signings!


08 Jun 2016 18:13:33
Eds I've read through the posts about coutinho and there's no really explanation from u guys? Have PSG bid for him or not? And would they be that cheeky to bid €20+ million? Surely he's worth more than sterling? Hahaha
Just thought I'd pickle your brains!
Cheers in advance like xxxx.

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

08 Jun 2016 18:22:36
Don't you mean "pick"? Pickling brains is borderline serial killer!


08 Jun 2016 17:31:01
Eds can you confirm of PSG have had a 23 million bid rejected?

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

08 Jun 2016 17:27:54
Love how the same people who didn't want gotze are now clambering for him to sign now that we are linked with mane silly season indeed!
Personally think mane is moxre the type of playxer we should be going for as we do lack pace and power however for the obvious attitude problems and inconsistencies it would be a gamble. I genuinely don't believe we'll sign an attacking player until aftecr the euros now anyway and when we have a clear idea of where coutinhos future lies.

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08 Jun 2016 22:50:01
I don't want Gotze.


08 Jun 2016 12:55:57
my concern for next season is Milner and Henderson as starters, and we repeats this season without a doubt.

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08 Jun 2016 16:36:39
Henderson will be captain, so will probably start most matches, a player we dearly missed last season and a player that clearly improves the team, Milner had a very good season last season and is a player we can rely on.


08 Jun 2016 17:28:03
I don't quite understand this. Milner started off a bit shaky but grew into his role. He's done well for us but, because he's not scoring like it's going out of fashion, people want rid. Sigh.


08 Jun 2016 17:39:27
I just don't understand posts like these. I agree we need a better midfielder, but these two are not the worst we have. Milner was one of the best players ranked in Europe. Based on performances though I would definitely say he should be kept as a utility player but only if we actually bring in players that improve the first 11 otherwise he probably starts. Henderson is our captain, all these calls for can to be captain makes no sense what so ever. Henderson is ahead of can in every sense, just because of a setback doesn't mean he should suddenly be shipped out. That's like saying sell Sturridge because we have origi. I think if we want to improve on our midfield and still start hendo and can (which is a partnership that lacks in key areas at the moment) then we play 3 in midfield with either a defensive midfielder that allows can and hendo to push up, or have can and hendo sitting with a genuine attacking midfielder (not a number 10) brought in. Either way I agree that we do need a more quality midfielder but I'm not worried at all about keeping Milner or Henderson even in the first team.


08 Jun 2016 17:56:43
Where was Milner during the second half against Sevilla? Wasn't he supposed to be our captain? Was there a malfunction on the dressing-room door?


08 Jun 2016 18:25:39
Most of the side didn't turn up you want to replace them too?


08 Jun 2016 19:00:18
Most of the side weren't our captain nor did they have 60 international caps ( don't forget the one goal ) .

Perhaps he was auditioning for the Invisible Man. Great guy but wasted on a football pitch. Bags of potential, though!


08 Jun 2016 19:43:22
Wanting to eject a player for one bad game is as bad as wanting to sign a player based on one good game!


08 Jun 2016 18:55:49
We would be buying at least one more midfielder this window who would be a first teamer. I don't see Milner playing a lot coming season unless it's necessary. Henderson would be rotated along with Grujic and the new midfielder while Stewart would cover up Can.
That's the plan for the coming season.


08 Jun 2016 21:48:41
The EL final showed that most areas of our first team need major work. Defence needed reshaping and better organization and that's before we mentioned LB. Midfield is lacking any sort of defensive nous, both in how to defend the spaces or read the game and no physical strength at all. Too many players get bullied of the ball or forced into silly mistakes. Midfield has no balance with the main midfield trio of Can, Hendo and Milner playing a too similar game. Most just didn't turn up in too many games throwing silly points away at important times meaning we couldn't gather any momentum. No major squad overhaul needed but some important changes to be made in my opinion.


08 Jun 2016 16:04:48
Question for ED001 and Ed002:
Is Mane seen as an alternative to Gotze or does Klopp want both? Mane's a winger while Gotze's a CAM so i hope its both.

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{Ed002's Note - Try not to complicate matters. Hopeless.}

08 Jun 2016 16:31:58
Here's my best guess:

Klopp's top winger target was Dembele, and then after him, Gotze.

Gotze isn't a wide winger, but he's played both RW and LW for both Germany and Bayern. He's a versatile forward.

LFC failed to land either.

So, IMHO, the Mane rumors are coming from the Committee. I think Klopp has left it to the Committee now that the club failed to get his two top targets, and (surprise! ) they have an EPL winger at the top of their list in Mane.

In fairness to the Committee, it seems likely they had identified Teixeiria in January. Klopp must be said to have made a big mistake in veto'ing that transfer. He probably did it because he thought he could land Dembele/ Gotze for less, but that didn't happen. Teixeira would have been far better than all remaining options and actually wanted to come.

Teixeira also could have helped us in Europa and in the EPL after January. Like I said, it was a huge fee, but Teixeira wanted to play for the shirt.


08 Jun 2016 16:55:05
Texeira just want to get out of cold Ukraine.


08 Jun 2016 17:00:47
Nailed it Fear. I can honestly see no other way any of this could have gone down.

I'd say Ian Ayre most likely put in low bids for klopps top targets just to get Mane because he thinks he knows more than Klopp. Who does he think he his. let's round up the pitch forks and GET HIM BOYS!


08 Jun 2016 17:12:31
Fear, is there any substance to any of what you said? It's completely made up. Committee making up rumors? How do you know matip wasn't our top target? Teixiera wanted to play for the shirt so much he accepted a huge wage packet and went to a dire league. The window hasn't even opened yet let alone closed!


08 Jun 2016 17:32:30
Is there any substance? The post is the substance. Did you read what I said in my first line? I said it's my best guess.

It was widely reported that Klopp called Dembele days before he signed with BvB, to try to convince him to come to LFC. It didn't work.

Also, the Gotze dealings have been widely reported on.

Now Mane is popping up as a top target, and as an EPL player he's not a player who Klopp has seen a lot of (unlike Dembele or Gotze) . So, this is my theory as to why that is.

Feel free to disagree/ disbelieve, I couldn't care less.

But at least get your facts straight, on Teixeira, the fee wasn't up to him. It was set by Donetsk, not Teixeira. PS: If you've been reading the news, Juning has bought Inter-Milan and Teixeira and Ramires are likely moving to Serie A.


08 Jun 2016 17:43:31
Teixira did agree to go though right. He could have stayed. He had a contract. They threw money at him and he took it. Your'e full of conspiracy theories yet can't accept the simple one that a player took money over playing for Liverpool. Gotze isn't over yet. Bayern want rid. No idea about that supposed phone call but maybe dembele just wanted to play European football. Does it have to be down to much more than that?


08 Jun 2016 17:47:13
I think too many people are far up klopps a** to be honest. It's getting ridiculous now, every mistake the man makes there's an excuse but if it was Rogers or someone else we would all be on their backs. At the end of the day, manager has the final say, if mane is first, second or third choice it doesn't matter because it's klopp choice if he want to fund £30m on that sort of player. Not the transfer committee, not Ian ayre. I would blame them for other things like targeting or scouting the wrong sort of players, or not getting in our top targets, but when the manager says yes go ahead and get mane, who's fault is it ultimately? I for one, think there are much better players out there for the sort of money they would ask for but it happens every year so there's no shocks or suprises. Last year we spent £32.5m on benteke and there where much better players out there for that price but that's Liverpool for you. I've said quite a few times during this transfer window that we don't seem to be targeting the right sort of players and apparently I'm whinging so there you go. Those same people don't rate mane. Go figure.


{Ed002's Note - You are talking about the man who got Caulker in to the club.}

08 Jun 2016 18:39:16
I can't blame the manager when we make the same mistakes year after year with different managers.
What is the link with Southampton?
Are our scouts aware of any other clubs? Why do we pay 20-30% over the odds for Southampton players?

Putting aside the Mane link, there is clearly a problem with recruitment and it cannot just be down to the managers.


08 Jun 2016 19:29:52
Exactly ed02. I rate klopp but some people think he's Guaranga incarnate or something.


09 Jun 2016 00:46:48
Can we just drop the term transfer committee. Pretty sure Rodgers coined this. Pleb.

Do people seriously think other clubs don't have a scouting network, head scouts, board of directors, FDs, sporting directors, managers and coaches all weighing in on decisions? You'd think LFC were the only team that had multiple stakeholders weighing in on transfer decisions.

Was the boot room a committee too?

Also, the Gotze deal isn't off. The transfer window isn't open yet either.


09 Jun 2016 09:10:40
Ron: It *does* seem like the places that LFC seems to focus on for transfer targets seem to stay the same year, to year, no matter who is manager.

I can't believe we may end up going back to the Southhampton well for another overrated/ overvalued player, even with Klopp at the helm.


08 Jun 2016 15:45:32
Reports we have rejected a €25million bid for Coutinho from PSG.
I thought we were the team who aggravate others by bidding offensively low! Absolute joke, I would honestly tell them to triple that if they want him.

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08 Jun 2016 16:56:43
this is what happens when you get a reputation for messing clubs around, now we know how other clubs feel, if you dish it out, you should be able to take it yourself.


08 Jun 2016 17:15:40
There has not been any bid for him yet. Right ed?


{Ed002's Note - I don't knoiw if a formal offer has been made or not at this time. PSG are up to their necks in trying to negotiate something else at this time and that is their focus. As I said, there is interest and that may well lead to an offer.}

08 Jun 2016 20:07:10
They sorting out Ibra leaving ed you mean?


{Ed002's Note - No, that doesn't take any effort at all.}

09 Jun 2016 00:47:36
Ronaldo in would be my guess.


08 Jun 2016 15:12:18
Hi eds . appreciate this is a Liverpool page all. just be keen to get your thoughts on what's happening over the blue side of the park? Seems like a good bit of business getting koeman in if you ask me.

What are your thoughts.

Thanks as always
Tom.

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{Ed001's Note - hard to tell, he did not do a good job anywhere else, so he is a gamble. Is he that good or is it down to Saints' set up? Only time will tell, but I remain to be convinced by him personally.}

08 Jun 2016 17:07:50
it is going to be interesting to see what happens across the park, is the new owner going to be patient for example, we know he is ambitious but so are most of the owners in the premier league, looks like 8 clubs fighting it out for 4 places, which means 4 clubs come the end of the season will have failed, there simply is not enough room for everyone, he will have £100m to spend, but as we know only to well it all depends on what you spend it on, scott dann is now worth £15m, there fans are going to expect bigger and better signings than that, if they get monchi that will be a great coup and will help with player recruitment.


08 Jun 2016 18:20:19
I've heard they're trying to get monchi in as dof that would be a good move for them,


08 Jun 2016 19:06:14
Monchi would be good for most clubs.


08 Jun 2016 14:13:44
It's a real shame that a lot of posters on here are clearly of the opinion that Manè is currently playing at Southampton, therefore shouldn't be signed because of the past transfers.
Pace, power and an eye for a goal comes at a premium, especially when the selling club doesn't need to sell.

Manè is the type of player who could become anything he wants to be, just needs the correct coaching and to remain humble - Something which Klopp and his team will hopefully be able to do.

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08 Jun 2016 14:53:37
But he's not humble, he will have to learn humility.


08 Jun 2016 15:10:37
He isn't that good and he has a really attitude problem. Also a one good game in four player. Is that enough?


08 Jun 2016 16:22:28
He's neither humble, nor very good. Highly inconsistent and overpriced.

Maybe he's a good target at 5m. But not 40m, which SH is valuing him. What a laugh.


08 Jun 2016 16:22:52
Clearly you watch Southampton weekly Mr Dennis, so I don't need to respond to you!

Also, Ronny, Where has this question of his humility come from? All you know of him is from an agenda pushing media.

Get behind the lad, and show him some love - He might surprise you!


08 Jun 2016 17:12:12
Mane is exactly like coutinho in many ways

Once in a blue moon he has a great game . Goes missing for most games . Shows some brilliance to make everyone say he's a good player but super inconsistent

Both are overrated and need to play more often
Everyone hypes up coutinho and he was awol in both finals!


08 Jun 2016 18:25:27
What? Coutinho scored in the final against Man City and took the game to extra time. He had an excellent game and was LFC's best player. Embarrassing post red lobster, but then again, it is standard from you.


08 Jun 2016 23:02:07
I think many are just desperate to get a player in without caring about how said player's consistency, attitude and baggage will impact the team spirit Klopp has worked hard to build.


08 Jun 2016 12:36:49
Sadio Mane rumours really gathering pace.

The guy is clearly talented but he is just so rash and inconsistent. Let's just hope that is down to his inexperience if he is signing.

There is no disputing is ability. He is great in front of goal, an excellent dribbler, presses relentlessly, and links up play well. He need to do that week in week out though, and stop getting sent off with silly tackles.

It takes some doing to score a hattrick in any premier league game, let alone in less than 3 minutes against Man City. I still don't think Mane is the best option, or worth the quoted £30m, but if he signs then I'll support him all the same.

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08 Jun 2016 13:07:45
Wasn't mane sent off 3 times but had 2 rescinded? Can't remember the challenges but could have just been unfortunate, obviously shouldn't be putting himself in those situations though.


08 Jun 2016 13:28:38
Honestly don't believe that Mane is a good player, he is an average winger who has the odd moment, very much like a Mark Walters type. Has a shocking reputation and had a lot of run ins with the manager at Saints as he has a total lack of discipline and respect. If he turns up at Anfield, it will end badly for us and I don't think that it is worth risking that kind of money on someone who is so flaky.


08 Jun 2016 13:33:14
We really lack pace I know we Ibe but at this team mane better and he's got goals in him and the market is just stupid with the price of players so if we can get him for 25 mil I would not be mad.


08 Jun 2016 13:38:40
We need one world class player who does it week in week out, Very much what Sanchez does at Arsenal and that is certainly not Mane. I hope we keep the money.


08 Jun 2016 13:51:41
Lallana as a px for Mane to retrun to his hometown club?

If only RL was like CM16.


08 Jun 2016 14:04:56
So in week from Goetze to Mane. that's Liverpool for you.

I don't think we have got any real good players from Southampton. Pls no more Southampton players this window! 😠.


08 Jun 2016 14:15:33
lallana is a better player.


08 Jun 2016 15:20:22
The question you have to ask yourself is if he was to join would he improve the current squad? and the answer is yes, real pace and power from a wide position, something we are currently lacking.

Is he klopps first choice? only he can answer that, but the pursuit of Gotze would suggest Mane isn't but he is an option we are monitoring.

Emre Mor was another option but he has been snapped up by Dortmund.

People have to realised that without Champs League or even european football we are not the draw we once were. We also haven't won a trophy since the carling cup in kennys time which again is something a player would look at.

We all want to be back up at the top, but this process doesn't happen over night. If klopp improves the squad year on year then we will get there. But he can only sign those willing to come, this isn't FIFA a player won't just come if your offer is accepted.


08 Jun 2016 16:40:10
Ems and his stats lol.


08 Jun 2016 16:18:42
His red cards are far from bad luck! He has been sent off 6 times in his short (approx 180 games) career. That's an average of once roughly every 30 games.

He's only 24. If he carries on like that he'll retire with the worst disciplinary record in the recent history of European football.

He needs to calm down. But most importantly, he needs to stand up and demand the ball when he is having a bad spell. We can't afford to have a player hiding away for half the season, and only making himself available when he is feeling confident and is having a purple patch.


08 Jun 2016 16:26:09
Game of thrones you say Sanchez does it week in week out, not a chance he is very inconsistent and as chucked his toys time and time again last season. Mane is a bit inconsistent but as massive potential, sometimes you have to accept a bit of inconsistency with a winger.


{Ed001's Note - when did Sanchez chuck his toys out of his pram? Utter lie. Mane on the other hand did so and has done so on a regular basis, so much so that he has been left out of the squad on more than one occasion due to his antics. Quality player, but his attitude stinks and we should steer well clear.}

08 Jun 2016 17:06:13
Ed1 I was on about every time he gets substituted, he always throws a strop mate, soz maybe should of put it a different way, agreed that Mane has a bit of attitude as well but I can't accept that Sanchez is consistent and his passing is poor, reminded me of Suarez passing ability. Mane as the potential to be a very very good player.


{Ed001's Note - and if a player is fit and coming off, the time to worry is not when they are upset. The time to worry is when they come off beaming and glad to be taken off, unless you are hammering the opposition and you are taking them off to receive an ovation. Players should be upset that they are coming off. I would be, as it would suggest the manager doesn't feel I offer as much to the team for the rest of the game as the player replacing me. I would like to think I am better than the others, and I would want my team mates to think the same.}

08 Jun 2016 18:05:20
Fair enough ed1 and the point is mate you normally are pretty spot with your views, which I respect and you read a game very well as sometimes I get too emotional watching Liverpool lol.


{Ed001's Note - I get emotional watching it. Football is the one time I really swear these days. It doesn't matter who is playing I get caught up in it. It is just that I can also look at it objectively at the same time. Yes, some of us men can multitask!}

08 Jun 2016 10:03:30
Please not Mane. Surely it's all lies Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Klipperty losing the plot you think?}

08 Jun 2016 10:21:53
Southampton quota.


08 Jun 2016 10:22:02
More success from the much heralded transfer committee and scouting team, take a bow all concerned.


08 Jun 2016 10:27:08
I think he is a little ed if there is any truth in it?


08 Jun 2016 10:29:35
I was told Klopp has trumendous pulling power for players. Mane!


08 Jun 2016 10:45:15
I think he's a good player, but not much better than Ojo and a suspect attitude.


08 Jun 2016 10:49:13
he has looked quite good every time seen him play havnt watched him enough admittedly.


08 Jun 2016 10:53:22
Just sick of these one season wonders for big money.


08 Jun 2016 10:59:58
What so bad about Mane? He scored 18 last year in all competitions and added 6 assists. Not bad for a midfielder. and he didn't play for Barcelona. I have no idea of course if we will sign him and if we will if it will work, signings are always a gamble, always! But on the face of it he suites our style.

I do feel for Southampton though if this works. I don't remember a team in the PL being ripped off of so many playe (and now a manager) like the Saints. They have a good reason to hate us for that.

And save me these attitudes comments, most of the great players have a bit otf attitude issues, i prefer a bit of attitude to lack of talent (within reason of course but I don't think he is a Balotteli) .


08 Jun 2016 11:05:10
Southampton have done very well out of LFC.


08 Jun 2016 11:27:50
If coutinho leaves then mane is a very good addition. Super talent but worry about consistency.


08 Jun 2016 11:39:00
I would actually love Mane to come to us assuming the price isn't sky high.

He gives us options that we don't have - he's good on the ball like our other attacking midfielders but what differentiates him is the diagonal runs he makes off the ball from wide positions. This might give the likes of coutinho to play more through balls than taking shots from 35 yards out.

I don't like the fact he is from SOuthampton but he has done well in his 2 years at the club so I for one would quite like us to sign him.


08 Jun 2016 11:59:32
Hes not even a guaranteed starter for Southampton and they apparently want £30million. I would much rather use Origi to be honest. Southampton can hardly complain about us buying there best players though, they do the same thing to Celtic.


08 Jun 2016 12:18:13
Its being reported by the sun! Enough said.


08 Jun 2016 12:30:58
Was reported by the Guardian two weeks ago.

He has a seriously poor attitude and doesn't have the talent to back that up with. He has one good game in four and for the most part is lazy. He scored 11 league goals (The goals came in 8 games) and provided 6 assists. Also was sent off twice which backs up the bad attitude rumours.

I only hope our scouts haven't suggested him because he scored against us last season in the three games we played as that is no methodology of selecting players.


{Ed002's Note - It is Klopp you need to look to?

08 Jun 2016 12:55:05
Hope not. Same old Liverpool if it's true.
I'm getting bored of us signing over priced average Prem players.


08 Jun 2016 13:30:37
Ed002, I think that Klopp must need some new glasses then! :)


08 Jun 2016 14:04:10
Mane is not good enough, very rash, inconsistent and has severe disciplinary issues on and off the pitch. He`s been fined by Koeman on several occasions for turning up late to training and team meetings. Why would we want all that baggage and worst of all, from Southampton of all places?


08 Jun 2016 15:01:03
I thought that's why we signed Benteke though, Mr Dennis ;)


08 Jun 2016 15:11:46
zpecialone, that worked out well as he didn't score against us.


08 Jun 2016 16:25:49
No to Mane.

See my post in the Rumours section. He went from December until March with 0G, 1A. That's an 18 game stretch, literally half of the season, with Southampton's "star" winger literally offering Kolo Toure level offensive production.

He finished the season with 11G, but literally scored more than half of those goals in the final 5 games, playing teams who mostly had nothing left to play for. 3 of those 6 goals came against Man City's second string team, because there was nothing on the line.

However, in the previous 32 games, he had 5 goals. Woeful.

In fact, Mane did it last year too, scoring 4 goals in the final few games, 3 against an Aston Villa side who had nothing to play for. He seems to really wrack it up against weaker sides when there's nothing on the line.

I'd be interested in Mane if he would cost 5m. But Southampton are asking 40m. No. Way. Benteke level overpricing.


08 Jun 2016 09:56:31
Hi eds,

Seeing a lot of reports linking us with Hector Herrera and Ruben neves, anything in these links?

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine please.}

08 Jun 2016 09:14:52
Hi eds, any news/ interest in Balloteli or Markkovic yet?

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing happened overnight - else use the search engine.}

08 Jun 2016 10:05:08
Cheers mate, hoping they end up gone soon, don't like this no news business. Last thing we need is for them to stay, waste of wages.


08 Jun 2016 10:22:52
Harsh on Markovic, Rodgers messed the lad around. Balotelli however is a waste of a salary.


08 Jun 2016 22:18:42
Yeah fair play.


08 Jun 2016 09:29:09
We are all hoping for Klopp to find us some bargain gems etc but I have a query for the Eds on the transfers.
Are the same scouts Rogers used still in place and secondly is the transfer committee still in place.
My fear is the scouts bring more average players to the table and the transfer committee make decisions over Klopp decisions.
Has Klopp the final say?

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{Ed001's Note - Rodgers had the final say, nothing has changed, the manager still has final say, and the committee is still in place. There has been an extensive overhaul of the scouting department in recent years though.}

08 Jun 2016 10:23:43
Have to be honest Ed, I don't think our chief scout is up to much. He has been in post 4 years and we keep making the same mistakes in selecting players.


{Ed002's Note - There is nothing wrong with the scouting system at Liverpool - you need to look more closely at the managers who have made their decisions.}

08 Jun 2016 13:05:19
I think we are one the worst at recruiting players. I can't think of any club who spends as much as us and consistently gets it so wrong. Good point on the managers, Benitez forcing out Alonso and bringing in Aquilani almost seeming like where the rot started setting in. Hodgson then signing Konchesky, Cole and Poulsen. Dalglish with Downing, Caroll and everyones favourite social media star Enrique. Rodgers with pretty much all of them barring Sturridge, Coutinho and Lovren. I dread to think how much we have wasted. Problem is, if the "rumoured" players we are after do come to fruition, I just feel that its a repeat of everything that has happened before and maybe something has to change in the structure of the club in identifying potential signings, if there is one thing we can all be sure of, its that nothing ever gets done properly by a committee.


{Ed001's Note - it has been longer than that, remember Dalglish signing David Speedie in his first spell? And everyone Souness signed? We never recovered from Geoff Twentyman being driven out.}

08 Jun 2016 14:07:22
The managers always have the final say except maybe during the Roy Evans era. nothing has changed and for BR or Rafa to blame their transfer failures on those under them is the exact reason they are no longer here or are second rate managers. They never took responsibility for anything on this topic and thank heavens they are no longer at the club. At least, Klopp is a stand up guy who doesn`t blame his people for his own failures.


08 Jun 2016 14:12:48
Speedie signed in Jan '91. Dalglish resigned that Feb. It has been a long rot since. Spent enough to win ten titles since then.


 
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