Liverpool Banter Archive June 08 2014

 

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08 Jun 2014 23:16:42
Apparently, as reported in the Express

"KARIM BENZEMA has given his approval for Real Madrid to launch a move for Liverpool hitman Luis Suarez in the summer, insisting he doesn't fear competition . "

Bet the hierarchy at RM are so pleased he's finally relented in his stance. must have been harrowing waiting for his approval.what a load of old ess aitch one tea

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08 Jun 2014 22:23:17
Suarez: "England do have weaknesses at the back and I know what they are."

*cough* Johnson *cough*

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Sadly Somebody's going to tear him a new one in this World Cup.

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Haha good post.

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Marshy, I'd rather see that in an England shirt though wouldn't you.

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If Zabaleta wasnt such a good player, England would have a quality RB imo

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{Ed001's Note - why, who would Citeh buy to replace him then? Because you can't mean Micah 'more injury prone than Darren Anderton' Richards surely?}

Valid point. only had one big injury but his fair share of small ones. regular game time is a double edged sword I spose but still would rather see him in our back 4 than johnson even now

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08 Jun 2014 22:03:07
Having seen Japp Stam tonight we need to sharpen our pencil and sign him straight away. Brilliant LOL

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Jamie Redknapp and Des Walker were none to shabby too!

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08 Jun 2014 20:59:42
Reina to arsenal is being reported, sniff sniff

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{Ed002's Note - You need to avoid the drug references. And Arsenal are looking elsewhere first.}

I was sniffing for bullsh*t ed lol

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Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

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08 Jun 2014 15:24:51
Ed's is it true that Reina didn't really value his place at Liverpool and made it clear that if barcelona were to come in for him he would like to leave? With no disrespect to napoli and the other teams he's being linked with Liverpool doesn't look so bad now. I would think that he really regrets his actions now, a few years ago arsenal were willing to pay in the region of 20 million now teams are turning their nose up at prices like 5 million being banded about. I think its a real shame that he's burnt his bridges with us because I think he's a great keeper and I would have him back tomorrow as number 1.

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{Ed002's Note - Not something to over-complicate but right now Pepe is coming home and Kirikou is in his bedroom.}

Quite a few years ago Pepe was an excellent goalkeeper.

He dominated the penalty area with assurance, was a great shot-stopper with sharp reactions, communicated well with his solid defence and he was good on the deck too (though Rafa preferred a long ball most of the time).

He was praised for his concentration as back then teams seldom created many chances against us, leading to lots of golden gloves awards that demonstrated how good our defence was, and Pepe was a key part of that.

When it all fell apart for Rafa and he was sacked, Pepe was not happy.

His form and standards began to slip as he split with his old goalkeeping coach and his Spanish buddies like Arbeloa and Alonso were shipped out.

He was used to being top-dog, playing CL football and being praised as one of Europe's finest goalkeepers.

But instead he now saw himself on what Albert Riera had earlier called 'a sinking ship' and agitated for a move, using his agent and the media to complain about the clubs underachievement and tout his willingness to move at every opportunity.

All this despite his own atrocious performances.

His body-language suggested he was making little effort under Hodgson and Dalglish, and he was no better under Rodgers. all the while he continued to lobby for an exit, though clearly his reputation as a great goalkeeper had now passed into memory as there was little interest.

He's now a shadow of that player we once knew. Poor in all aspects of his play, even the myth that he was great with his feet has been exposed. Under a coach that demanded better passing (Rodgers) he panicked in possession and resorted to the old 'hoof it at their right-back' ploy that Rafa would use when Kuyt played.

Before he left I recall seeing a statistic for the season that he let in a goal for every 2 shots on target. I would believe that, as he was diabolically bad before he left. He barely bothered attempting to dive at times.

Even Rafa, the only man who took a punt on him now seems reluctant to take him from us for £5m.

I'd agree that Pepe may regret his actions, he should, he wasted his talent by agitating for a way out and letting this affect his standards to the point that he was a liability.

But not a chance I would want him at number 1. Overpaid, lazy and undeserved of a chance to return imo.

He wanted to jump ship, but did so like a spoiled brat, he spent the best part of 3 seasons trying to engineer a way out, and I'm sure he'd love to crawl back with his pandering to the media and the fans, claiming that he'd love a new start now that we're successful and that he bleeds LFC blood.

He does not deserve the opportunity.

I'm glad to see us with a goalkeeper that at least attempts to make saves tbh and that is committed to helping us improve. Mignolet has been a marked improvement on the post-Rafa Pepe Reina.

If Pepe took a massive paycut, accepted he is now a backup and that Mignolet is first choice, and is willing to work hard to try to challenge him, then I'd consider it.

The manager should also seek assurances that he won't be whoring himself via the media. But I can't see all that that happening.

I'd feel as safe with Brad Jones in nets tbh. I think that psychologically, Reina lost his nerve quite a few years ago.

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KINKY!

Will he be wearing Ed001's wedding dress?

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I thought Kirikou was in Brazil?

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{Ed002's Note - He is right now, but all of his stuff is still in Pepe's bedroom.}

08 Jun 2014 20:25:41
Hey guys. I really don't think Suarez is going anywhere I know everyone but us reds wants him to go but he might not want to now we have champions league football I think he is genuinely happy . If a bid is made we can turn it down you know

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Completely agree with you danfield5, I think if he was going to go it would have. Been last year .i still think his agent is after a big payday though .

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I agree too lads. Nice. :)

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I hope we are not going to have to endure a whole transfer window of this crap.
Lets just put it to bed and deal with it when/if it happens.
FFS anybody would think the world was going to end if he did go.
He's a footballer. Like many before him, we have managed when our past "greats" have left and we will manage again if/when Luis eventually leave's.

Until that happens let's stop with the sh!t posts every single day on the subject.

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Yay I am so happy first post in about 2 years and there's some abuse for it I am honoured

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08 Jun 2014 20:22:12
Having watched 23 minutes of soccer aid, I have decided there is no doubt we would have win the league should carragher have stayed one more season!

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I agree we would of eon the league. However basically that on his ability to keep out Nicky Byrne and Santi Cabrera is quite funny mate ;) Seedorf and Davids still gave him a nightmare! But they've only just retired whereas Carra has had a season on a chair.

It was a fun game though for a good cause. I don't think you can say we'd have won the league with that as your evidence, although Santi would probably get into the Italian National team lol. I thought he was an ex pro until they said he was in the 3 Muskateers!

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Agreed Conbicks, His defensive leadership Qualities and other defensive qualities haven't gone, with him in the side last season I don't think we would of conceded as much as we did, however I don't he wanted to sit on the benchmost of the season, that's what helped make his mind up to retiire

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08 Jun 2014 19:42:43
According to Catalan newspaper Sport, Barcelona are closing in on the signing of Fiorentina winger Juan Cuadrado. Fiorentina are reported to have secured the remaining half of Cuadrado's registration rights from Udinese and are now ready to sell the Colombia international on to Barcelona for €25million (£20.3m). Barcelona are hoping to get the deal done before the World Cup starts on Thursday.

I've seen this guy's name mentioned on him (not so much lately though) so, just out of interest I posted it here.

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08 Jun 2014 18:50:31
Eds

With regards to players on there future's, is it usually drummed into them and ruled that they will not discuss or suggest that they are moving and indeed big up there current club and how happy they are at the current club?

I'm just trying to make sense of comments from both Moreno and Shiqir?

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{Ed001's Note - nope. I don't see what there is to make sense of? Comments are irrelevant. They have no meaning in 99% of cases.}

If they big up their new club or publicly accept they're leaving then it could alienate them in the dressing room and if they do go they also want to leave their current club on good terms so it makes sense with either outcome to praise your current club

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08 Jun 2014 19:11:23
Seeing that were playing some trivia games today, what about these questions.

1. What is prince williams brother called?
2. What is the nickname for people that come from Liverpool?
3. What is the opposite of isnt?
4. What is the first letter of the alphabet?
5. What sport is called by the name of "soccer" in the US?
6. Einstein was often called a what? Clue: it begins with the letter 'g'?

Sorry harry I couldn't resist! ;) you know we love u dearly.
Id be happy with the wooden spoon! Haha

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08 Jun 2014 19:29:48
If it wasn't me. I don't think anyone would have a smile on their face.

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08 Jun 2014 19:34:02
Technically his brothers name is Henry ;)

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08 Jun 2014 19:58:47
1. Princes brother is Jerome Boateng.
2. Legends.
3. isn't isn't a real word.
4. T
5. I don't speak chinese.
6. Gemma Watson. Great nan of Emma Watson. The foolish old man turned her down as well.

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1.robbie
2.non wooly backs
3. Tis
4. T (the alphabet)
5. Throwing socks at Miley Cirus
6. Grandpa

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{Ed001's Note - you know initially woolly backs actually referred to the dockworkers, as they carried wool onto the ships. So scousers were the woolly backs to begin with.}

Ah close ed but it wasn't that they carried wool onto the ships they carried crates on their backs and used wool to protect them! I'm live in Walton nimrod street was christened in st lukes next to goodison but LFC season ticket holder and my grandad was a Woolley back before he joined the merchant navy!

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{Ed001's Note - ah ok, I was told different, but yours sounds more likely to me.}

No probs ed just passing knowledge like you lot do everyday!

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{Ed001's Note - thanks mate.}

08 Jun 2014 18:56:39
So. it appears people are still asking the same questions about the same players. Bit boring really. So.

Q1. What's brown and sticky?
Q2. What's your favourite shade of khaki?
Q3. Jet or Lightning?

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Jet. Definitely jet

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Q4. would you rather be or a wasp?

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08 Jun 2014 17:46:03
Some relatively easy trivia questions (don't Google em)
For ed001 and fellow posters
1-Against which team did Mamadou Sakho score his first goal for Liverpool?
2-How many games of the season was Luis Suarez banned for (league and cup)?
3-Which player got injured against Oldham Athletic?

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{Ed001's Note - they all involve having a memory, and I quite simply don't have one!}

08 Jun 2014 17:52:01
West Ham, 5 and Agger.

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1- West Ham
2- 6 of this season (10 overall)
3- Not 100% sure if it was that match but I think it might be Agger. I remember him coming off in the last few mins in a cup tie leaving us with 10 men.

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West Ham, 6 and Agger.

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The correct answers are west ham, 6 and agger
will try to give tougher questions next time

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08 Jun 2014 17:31:41
Ed. question for you, if asked plz. forgive, but I need opinion from you. "Who according to you would be ideal replacement for Luis Suarez". thanx in advance.

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{Ed001's Note - I have been asked many times and my answer hasn't changed: there is no ideal replacement.}

I agree with Ed001. He can be replaced, but it will involve a change in style.

Sanchez, Reus or Di Maria for me with a shift back to 4-3-3. I don't know how realistic any of them are though.

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08 Jun 2014 21:38:43
YNWAdam

I agree, But we both want him to stay. therz something Suarez bring which none would. I don't know what it is. But He is just irreplacble

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I want him here as much as the next guy Harry. We need to be reasonable though.

Selling Suarez will happen one day and from the looks of things, that day will be this summer. We will not do a 'Spurs' though because we don't have a crazy chairman spending the money on players he likes and we are in the Champions league so we can actually attract a world class replacement, whereas Spurs tried repalcing him with 11 players.

Just try not to get too upset about it. We've replaced a lot of World class strikers down the years, Rush being the best in my opinion. We will survive without Luis.

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08 Jun 2014 17:25:44
Im not sure where all this talk of suarez leaving has come from other than lazy journalism, or if I've missed something the eds have said, but please get a grip. Even if he does want to move I don't think madrid will put up the money needed, I don't think the club will be willing to sell, and we certainly will NOT be getting barkley. Getting barkley to replace suarez is like madrid selling ronaldo and spending 40 million on sterling, its ludicrous.

Suarez, if he stays, will go on to become one of the greatest players in the clubs history, possibly THE greatest, and yet some of you are willing to let him go simply because we have other good players? that's football manager logic! No amount of money will truly compensate for Suarez' sale, he is the centrepiece of our team- if he goes, who knows what will happen.

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08 Jun 2014 17:41:09
AW

Spot on.

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Finally some sense! No amount of money would persuade me to sell Suarez. Just hope the owners are thinking the same because Brendans on the brink of greatness with this group, Suarez being the most important piece

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Spot on AW, Luis is irreplaceable, let's have it right when was the last time we could boast undoubtedly oneof the top 3 players in the WORLD and on his form for first 2/3s of this season THE best player in the world.

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Every player has a price, including suarez.doesn't he have a release clause any longer?

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If we can never replace Suarez, what are we going to do in 4-5 years time? Assuming he stays.
As brilliant as he is . With the kind of money he is worth we could buy at least 2-3 top top talents.
As for Barkley. He's special and it's obvious he is going to be one of the best English players ever. He's 'Zidane-esque'. and a better player at same age,

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I wouldn`t sell Suarez just as RM will not sell Ronaldo. It`s that simple.

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Jessie, yes every player has his price but the price we will probably be offered won't be enough for what we would lose, that's my opinion anyway.

Bashir, in 4or5 years there will be another raft of world class players coming thru, who knows one might be a scouse red, a scouser or just a red, or we might be the current champions(of Europe and/or england) because Luis has helped in that and we could attract almost any player in the world.

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08 Jun 2014 20:58:00
How we going to replace his Desire, Fighting spirit and commitment. I once thought, He wanted that title more than Gerrard.
You wanna play him RB, He would happily do it. He is the best we could have right now. If He remains with us, we would be in Top4 come next season

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Its equivalent to someone giving you a grand for your car, you know its a good price but it would cost you a fortune to replace it. I seen a list the other day for MVP. I think messi was top then Ronaldo, then suarez. Correct me if I am wrong. To me if you take messi and Ronaldo out of their respective teams they have good players to replace them and even though they are missed, its not that much. With Liverpool and suarez, I would put him as the MVP in the world because of his impact, if you took him out of the team, we're a decent team but havnt got anyone near replacing him when he's out

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08 Jun 2014 21:40:03
Dar

Exactly. I cannot imagine next season without him. from the very first min, the lad would look to score goals. He mean that shirt. and he loves it

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08 Jun 2014 23:49:10
lads quick point,obviously god forbid but if he gets hurt his value plummets plus we have a player on about 200 grand a week contributing nothing that's not going to get us out of debt where as this 1 sale could work wonders for us fact is football is a risks business,and a good gambler walks away from the table while he's ahead p.s love the new reply set up

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I still think Suarez has more to do when we're playing in a scrappy game and a good team will park the bus he has all the magic in the world to unlock any defence but sometimes come the crunch he doesn't preform imo. I probably would sell and replace him with a top striker winger and creative midfielder player as Suarez is basically all 3 in 1. and now that I've put it like that I probably wouldn't sell :/ Ah balls it's quite the confusing matter

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08 Jun 2014 16:54:20
Just done the world cup correct score comp. can 4th prize be a date with Ed002? Or the wooden spoon can be a date with harry?

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{Ed001's Note - I like your thinking, but Ed002 would never agree in case Harry came 4th! No amount of cocktail imbibing could make that worth it.}

08 Jun 2014 18:17:48
I am almost there with Ed002. We have a fantastic chemistry. one of the best.

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{Ed001's Note - he did say he had a soft spot for you.......at the bottom of the ditch in his back yard.}

08 Jun 2014 18:23:35
I've heard a rumour that Ed002's legs look almost as nice as Roy Hodgson's in shorts? Can anyone confirm this?

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08 Jun 2014 19:48:29
I reckon Ed002 is a hottie.

cameron diaz's eyes
Kelly brooks boobs
Denise van outens humour
Angelina jolies lips
Kim kardashians butt
And roy hodgsons legs

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You never know though Sandon. Could be:

Davros's eyes
James Corden's boobs
Margaret Thatcher's humour
Brendan Rodger's old teeth
Predator's lips
White Dee's butt
and Chewbacca's legs!

If just described your dream woman, get help.

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08 Jun 2014 15:10:39
In regards to todays poll.

I wouldn't mind Suso being used as part of the Moreno signing, but only on loan.

I have a feeling he will go out on loan anyway next season. I remember him saying a few months back that he would like to extend his contract with Liverpool and go out on loan again.

It would be good for his development, but likewise I would be happy if he stayed at the club for next season.

Red Rum

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08 Jun 2014 15:19:01
RedRum

He has been developing since years. We cannot have this excuse with the lad. Either He is playing or he is being sold.

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I agree with Harry. He isn't going to ever get into the team at this rate.

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I'd be devastated if we lose Suso just to sign Moreno. I think Suso needed to stay but it's obvious Rodgers doesn't think he suits us. He will leave sadly in my opinion. He isn't as mentally tough as Henderson to come back from being offered as a part exchange. I think it'll just drive him out.

Rodgers may be right. He doesn't have enough drive to play the way we expect our attackers (Hendo, Coutinho and Sterling) to. He also doesn't have enough of a physical presence to play deeper. He just doesn't suit our system now Rodgers has made us more direct. Under the style we played for the first half of Rodgers first season, Suso would've been perfect. I just don't think he's versatile enough to develop his game and be more direct. I've no doubt he'll become an excellent player, just not with us. Sterling, Coutinho, Hendo and Teixeira just suit us more. Even Emre Can is more suited to our new style than Suso.

I'll be sad to see him leave, especially as a part ex for what I believe is a pretty average left back. It's Rodgers choice though and if he thinks he can bring the best out of Moreno and that Suso is surplus, I'll just have to trust him.

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Quesion, how is teixeira more suited to us than suso is?

real honest question, I haven't seen enough of both to make a judgement, but suso stands out for me between the two, but as I said, I haven't seen enough of both to make a judgement.

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Would mot mind suso as a part of the Lallana deal on loan in the PL be very interesting I no it won't happen tho

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08 Jun 2014 17:39:52
Has anyone actually seen Suso's past season on loan, or are people still judging off LFCtv performances from many moons ago?

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Teixeira is much more energetic, faster on and off the ball and much more direct. Suso has a better pasding range and technique, but he is built for tiki taka, not our fast direct football.

I saw Suso a lot last season for Almeria. He started brilliantly but then tailed off a bit. Almeria were scared to play him in some more important games because he is the type of player you sometimes end up carrying when he is off form. His vision and skill is incredible. However his shooting is wasteful and still lacks power. I love him as a player, but he's just not made for English football in my mind. He won't get stuck in against weaker opposition in a more physical league. I'm so dissapointed in his development because I thought he'd be as gopd as Silva or Iniesta. He's more like Mata though and that just doesn't suit us anymore.

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Just a question to you on this lads. Am I right in thinking that, even though coutinhio can play out wide, but does he, texeiria and suso play in the same position? And if they do one of them must be thinking that they have to leave to get playing time, or is there room for more than one I the team when they are ready?

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Dar, you could potentially add Lallana to that equation.
Suso, at least at present, would be last choice IMO.
He could play centre mid, but Roy Hodgson would beat him over 20 yards.
I think he could play the quarterback role deeper though. But it's an almighty responsibility to put on a kid.
So it's not looking good for him at Liverpool in the immediate term.

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08 Jun 2014 14:20:46
Seems Reina can't get a move,,, personally I'd stay away from Italian clubs there's no money in that league and they simply can't afford the players. Aquilani for example. This is the reason I wish Liverpool would push for Sanchez, there's no way any Italian club could afford what Barca will be asking

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{Ed002's Note - Some of the clubs will be spending a great deal this summer but will sell players to do it - balancing the books.}

08 Jun 2014 15:04:11
Reina is on massive wages. Like most with our players, We will end up being at a lose in this sale.
Juventus have already agreed personal terms with the player, They will somehow agree a fee with Barca.

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Will arsenal be one of those clubs? Thanx please reply it I will really appreciate your reply

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{Ed002's Note - Wajid, you seem lost. And confused. Arsenal are an English team, not Italian.}

08 Jun 2014 13:32:12
I don't want to open up a can of worms here and make the ed's job even harder but this summer is probably going to be Suarez's last chance to move to Real Madrid, Real are going to spend big on a striker and if its not Luis this time then its hard to see another chance coming round for him. Obviously there are other options out there Falcao, Aguero and Cavani have all been linked with moves to Madrid in the past and could well be the preferred options now. If Real Spend £50m+ on a forward and its not Luis I really can't see him leaving Liverpool.

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I can see where ypu are coming from with that, however what about Juve, Suarez has supposedly said in the past that a south american (maybe a uruguayan) hasn't really proved himself unless he has been a success in Italy, and a lot of uruguayans have plied there trade at Juve.

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Good point about Juve and with Vidal and Pogba on a lot of clubs shopping list maybe they'd have the funds to buy Suarez. But Italian football is not what it once was, then again its not Luis making the decisions its his representatives.

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You seem to have forgotten last summer.he his happy at Liverpool doesn't mean he won't be happier in madrid

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Luis's gone. Think about it logically bearing in mind FSG's business model. He's 27 and on £250k a week. As you rightly say, Real will spend big on a striker this summer. Do you honestly think FSG will turn down £80mill on a 27 year old on £250k a week. It ticks every box of their resale concept.

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{Ed001's Note - except he is not on 250k a week.}

@ Ozone.

Even if he was on £250k, selling a player on that money with 4 years left of a contract doesn't make sense. Maybe I'm mistaken but the club would have to pay him the wages left as part of breaking that contract. That'd be over £50m wouldn't it? Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick about that, but I thought the players wages had to be paid if the player didn't make a transfer request.

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{Ed001's Note - if you try looking back a couple of days, Ed002 provided a breakdown of the payments involved in a transfer. I will have to speak to Ed033 about getting that placed into a separate page, to make it easier to find in future.}

Fair enough, I was mistaken. Thanks Ed001.

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{Ed001's Note - no worries.}

Ok £200k a week but either way the highest paid footballer at Anfield. I'm not sure but I think I'm correct in saying Madrid never made a formal offer last summer. Henry:- "behave yourself this season Luis, we'll bump up your wage to revise your contract in order cover our selfs with buy out clauses etc., put a shift in and get us in the champs and we won't stand in your way if Real coming knocking". Henry to Werner " I think he's took the bait Tom, he's 27 next year, stadium building costs etc, nice little tickle for us".

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{Ed001's Note - not 200k either.}

Henry to Werner "we'll send Ian out on his Harley cap in hand with a brief of trying to pick pocket football clubs of their prize assets for 50% of their value. We need to spread our intelligence tentacles across Europe to decipher which clubs have dropped clangers with small buy out clauses on players with good resale prospects who may earn us a bob or two like Luis has", "we still need to be cautious Tom because remember it was that Ali G sounding character who dropped on Luis not Ted, Ted really hasn't produced the goods in terms of transfers just look at Mr Alberto, Mr Aspas, Mr Borini, Mr Llori, they've cost us near on £35 mill". Werner to Henry, "I tell you what John, why don't we lend a LFC a couple of mill, keep prodding around the £10 mill market with the loan money so there's no risk to us, if Ted wants more expensive players, he'll have to sell", "good idea Tom, that insulates us from risk whilst at the same time the chunk from Luis goes a long way into paying for the stadium development costs. I tell you what Tom, this is looking good, Teds got us into Europe on a shoestring, if we stay in top 4 and complete the stadium build, 3 years of gate receipts, an uplift in economic prosperity and I think we'll hit that £1 bill value".

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If he's not on £200k a week Ed, that further supports the Luis's off case then as Real will pay it.

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{Ed001's Note - except your whole case was based on his wages being immense. You really should make up your mind and stop talking nonsense.}

08 Jun 2014 13:11:57
Has Alberto joined Malaga on loan yet?

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{Ed002's Note - The transfer window is not open Josh.}

Can't you do pre deals for a loan?

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{Ed002's Note - Sure. But there is no rush.}

08 Jun 2014 12:31:16
First time poster, but have been visiting the site daily for a number of years. In relation to lallana, we as supporters must be patient and trust that Brendan and co know what they are doing. I have a feeling that lallana is his top target and may pay Southamptons valuation. However, I am sure he has other targets and is actively working on these targets. A lot has been learned in the last two windows and I can't forsee the transfer committee putting all their eggs in one basket. So just sit back, relax and enjoy the mayhem that is the transfer window and please refrain from asking the same questions over and over, you'll give the poor eds a coronary. PS eds, great and tireless work, keep it up.
Ballinared

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08 Jun 2014 12:42:10
...........rubbish removed..........

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{Ed002's Note - You are right on the edge of another ban again Harry.}

08 Jun 2014 15:09:21
I am sorry Eds. I even forgot my post. A weird moment might be. Appologize. I usually don't come up with excuses.

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08 Jun 2014 11:11:08
Morning eds hope all is well, klass jan huntelaar he plays for schalke he would be a good buy a very good player imo, and would give us lots of options up front along with sturridge suarez lambert, he is only 30 lots of experience to go with are young red men, and I hear a 15m release in his contact not a lot of money in this day and age for a player like him.the sort of player we should be looking at.being we will be challenging on lots of fronts.we will need depth in are squad.cheers eds.jay essex red for life red till dead.in lfc I trust

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08 Jun 2014 11:27:27
We already have one at 32.

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Yes I am very aware that lambert is 32 a great signing by the way.why do you think we lfc brought lambert in, we need experience we have a very young group of players you need a mix of both.and at 30 years old are you saying huntelaar is over the hill, because I think he is one hell of a player and would be a great buy.ps how old was Gary mc and was to old was he when he come to lfc I think not.in lfc I trust

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08 Jun 2014 12:28:11
Pointless. Unless we sell Suarez he'll hardly get a look in.

And if we do sell Suarez, we should probably buy a forward who's a bit closer to his peak than Huntelaar.

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Im sorry somthing red but when we are battling on all fronts, we will need more players than we have got right now.i disagree and think huntelaar would very much get a look in.he is one hell of a player, and if we got someone like huntelaar in it would not be as you state pointless.it would be a great bit of business and all for the better for are group.walk on

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08 Jun 2014 14:52:07
sorry jay but huntelaar isn't the right choice. he's just a poacher, has no pace and isn't going to sit on the bench at this stage in his career like lambert. we have sufficient cover in suarez sturridge lambert and borini. no need for another striker who wouldn't improve on what we have anyway.

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Jay, £15m for a 30 year old, no chance.

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08 Jun 2014 15:18:37
If huntelaar is the answer, what is the question?! Not for me

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I don't mind Hunterlaar. Great forward and he works well with Suarez in particular. However I'm suprised we even signed one striker in Lambert. I'd be a bit confused if we sign another! I mean Aspas is leaving but Borini wants to stay. Even if we play 4-4-2 diamond in every competition, Suarez, Sturridge, Lambert, Borini and even Jack Dunn or Yesil (when he recovers) is plenty of cover. The only way we'd even consider another striker is if Suarez or Borini leave. Hunterlaar is the wrong type of player to replace them though. He's a poacher. His link up play and work rate is pretty average. You'd probably see us push for Sanchez or even go for a more out and out wide player like Di Maria (depending on whether Rodgers wants to persist with the Diamond or revert to 4-3-3).

I disagree with people making out Hunterlaar is bad or past it. He's like a fine wine and only gets better with age due to the fact he relies on positioning and composure. He has never had any strong physical aspects to his game so age is irrelevant. He's just the wrong player for us.

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08 Jun 2014 15:36:40
Jay, last time we had four senior strikers (Crouch, Kuyt, Torres & Voronin) we didn't need them. Voronin missed half the season injured and even though we were resultantly a striker short, Crouch still left citing lack of footie and Kuyt played on the right for half the season.

And that's not unique - look at the teams around us. Only the two Manchester clubs had 4 senior strikers last year, and their fourth choice strikers weren't exactly big players for them. When Jovetic was unavailable mid-season, how many times did you look at City and think: "Damn, they're really short a striker at the moment". Was it none, per chance? I think it was none.

And as far as I'm concerned, if we have Suarez, Sturridge, Lambert and Huntelaar, Huntelaar is going to be the weakest option. Not worth the outlay for someone who we're probably going to give less than 15 starts to.

There is such a thing as rotation for the sake of rotation. Unless your team can only play with 442, you don't need 4 senior strikers. 3 seniors and a young one with potential for the cups and sub appearances is better.

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EMS, his age wouldn't be irrelevant when we try and sell him on in 2 or 3 years so £15m would be too high I reckon.

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Great posts red men, but I would like us to have a bid for him, a poucher 15m we would not buy him for his sell on value.we would buy him to have opinions, let's remember 1 thing there will be players leave, huntelaar is for now not later, at least my post give us something to talk about, but for me to bring up voronin in the same text as huntelaar is very bad taste haha, but in lfc I trust and what will be will be.jay essex red for life red till dead.love are red family walk on

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{Ed001's Note - why would you like Huntelaar? I have never seen anything in him as a player myself, always wondered why he is so highly rated. Not a bad player, just nothing special about him, even his goal scoring is not exactly outstanding.}

On current form, i'd play lambert ahead of huntelaar. I too, see nothing special in him.

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Hi ed thanks for posting, for me huntelaar is a fox in the box got a lot of experience to go with are young group of red men.i think he would give us opinions, this will be a very long season for us I hope fingers crossed we go all the way in most.he is a team player I've seen him a lot I like him as a player, I would like to think he would fit in to are team very well.its just my opinion that's all ed, we all know some players will leave the club, and we don't have the biggest bunch of 1st team players as it is, he would add a bit of class ed but rodgers runs the show.ps its stopped folk talking about lallana for a while ;) cheers ed

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{Ed001's Note - I am not convinced by his ability as a fox in the box personally. I honestly can't see anything of a team player in him either. Maybe I need to watch him more, but every time I watch him I just think he is lucky to be so highly rated with so little actual ability.}

08 Jun 2014 10:26:37
Fellow reds,

Can people stop chasing for an update on lallana, shaquiri and Moreno every day please? Can people also read the posts each day before you post anything. It is spoiling the site reading the same questions 50 times a day with the same response. Nothing will change on the lallana or Moreno front unless we up our offer in which case Macca or ssn will be all over it spreading the word. The window doesn't open until 1st July so pipe down and have a little patience.

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08 Jun 2014 09:36:10
Hi eds first time poster use this site every day and see a lot of players Liverpool are supposed to be interested in and was just wondering who you think Liverpool will make serious bids for and which of them u think are likely to come

Ps keep up the good work eds

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not linked to the majority of names you see. It seems that every morning we awaken to Liverpool having purchased a couple more players, be in deep and meaningful discussions with another 12, and be interested in a further 40. Seems the club get busy overnight. I have said where I know of interest but any sort of speculation on my part will end in tears. Sorry.}

09 Jun 2014 10:08:12
HI Ed002 speculate as much as u want i'm interested in hearing what u have to say please mate

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08 Jun 2014 02:34:40
Backed out of buying the new home top today that white bit on the shoulders will not stay in place too long imo, I don't know if the club could do this but a top that represented both Liverpool and Boston red Sox could be a seller I'm not only saying this as a Liverpool fan but would like to show some solidarity with Boston fans who prob look at us as a negative impact on their team building and vice versa plus before any sale to John w Henry. I would have supported Boston red Sox I see a lot of similarities with both clubs battling against clubs with better resources with the need for astute decisions at all times.

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I like the idea Tommy - a souvenir top a bit like the half-and-half LFC/Celtic scarves but with Red Sox. I'd buy one.

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08 Jun 2014 08:51:21
I have more affiliation with a bag of crisps than I do with boston bleedin' red socks.

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Mmmm chips

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08 Jun 2014 10:33:24
Tommy has made a good point.

Please don't take offence American fans, but Liverpool need to exploit this North American market even more.

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08 Jun 2014 11:00:12
How about red socks?

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Davey, Would it not alienate all the supporters of the red sox's rivals?

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Excuse me if i'm wrong but the money the red sox makes has absolutly nothing to do with us!

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PLus shirt sales has little to do with our club either!

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08 Jun 2014 01:23:37
The World Cup correct score comp is now up and running. Everyone is welcome to join in just simply follow the instructions on the World Cup comp site.

Cheers
Ed 003

*please don't reply to this - take any questions to the world cup site*

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08 Jun 2014 01:14:05
I know some people think Suarez is not going to leave but I think he might if the price is up there as you can't really turn down 70-80 million.

I was just wondering if we do get a substancial amount for Suarez can you see us bidding for Barkley, say 40 million.

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08 Jun 2014 01:28:20
Yes I would pay the lot for barkley

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08 Jun 2014 02:46:44
Better the devil you know keep oul Suarez let the mancs have Barkley lol.

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Ain't no way Everton would sell to us, there very very bitter that there the small team on mersyside, why would they make us stronger?
Keep Suarez sign lallana & Moreno. That's good enough for me!

We sold Alonso & macharano the season after we finished second, look how long it's taken us to get back there.

Selling Suarez would be a huge mistake.

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Lose Suarez and spend 40 million on a kid who hasn't even managed a full season?
Didn't we try that plan with Carroll?

FSG will not be doing that again.

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08 Jun 2014 09:45:35
Ken

If BR is adamant to get Barkley, FSG would do it for him. BR has risen pretty high.

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08 Jun 2014 12:11:05
Ken Aguero. I am convinced that FSG won't allow such a fee for Barkley and I wouldn't want them to do that. So yes, hopefully they learned that much.

But did you just compare Carroll and Barkley?

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Barkely is very rash gives the ball away far to easy 40 million for potential is alot

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There you go again red neighbours, just expecting that Ross is awaiting the call from Brenda and will come running. You have no chance.
a. Ross is happy at Goodison
b. Where would he fit into your side?
c. He is now playing for a manager in Roberto who knows his worth and will nurture his talent
d. He is a Blue and would never play in a red shirt
e. You cannot afford him

The sooner some of you come to terms with this, the better. Hands off. You know Everton fans would never start half-assed rumours that we want Sterling, Henderson, et al. Start looking elsewhere for your next signing

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{Ed001's Note - I fully agree with you for once Davey, but I do have a question about Barkley I wondered if you know the answer to? I was watching him last night closely and noticed something I had never spotted before from watching him. His running stride is very short, almost chopping, like a runner on a treadmill that is too short. That kind of stride is extremely damaging for the knees and often leads to impact injuries in endurance athletes. Is that his normal stride? It would have its advantages, it enables quick acceleration and changes of direction, as the feet are hitting the ground more often, but the damage to the knees would worry me for his long term future. The lad is such a bright prospect I would hope someone at the club could work on that, to allow him to achieve his potential, if it is his normal running style.}

Cant tell if you're serious or just foolin around ed001.

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{Ed001's Note - serious mate. I brought it up on our editor's widget during the game but no one had noticed it until I said about it, so I am still not sure if it is his normal gait or he was trying to be careful not to stress a hamstring or quad. It is one of those details you have to watch in any sport involving lots of running. In horses as well as humans, the gait makes a huge difference and can often show up long term issues with injury or future issues before they arise. Sad to say, but I used to be able to tell most players apart purely by the way they ran, as every gait is individual. I am just thinking the lad's future could be affected and it should be brought to the club's attention, if they haven't spotted it.}

I think 1 person asked if we would bid another agreed they would and many said no.

Not sure how that constitutes us all assuming he would jump if Liverpool called or that most of us see him fitting in.

Lastly there has never been a bigger blue that Carra, look what happened there.

RBI is a great prospect IMO, not sure about his knees?!

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True Davey can I ask who you think will try take young Ross from yous as it is a matter of time when he really shines true

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What about Hendo though ed001? I have no clue at all about running styles etc, but your comment reminds me of fergies comment on Hendo.

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{Ed001's Note - he has a distinctive running style, but that is different from having a short chopping action. His is clearly natural and comfortable. It doesn't look to have any issues with it, from what I have noted.}

Thanks for your reaction Ed001 and for once we agree. I've not noticed anything unusual in his running style, but maybe you have a point. Dezy there will naturally be many clubs after him, especially if he is given a chance to shine in Brazil. But this in no way means Everton will choose to sell. The coffers at Goodison look quite healthy for the first time in many years and in my humble opinion, Ross will stay for at least the next 2/3 years. Why would he want to gain splinters in his backside at Chelski, Citeh or a smaller team that once was Utd?

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{Ed001's Note - let me know if you do spot it Davey, I would be interested to know if it was just a one off, like he was nursing a tender hamstring or something.}

Great thread and points.
A significant part of athletics training, particularly for kids, ed001 is 'fartlek' running.
I know it sounds funny, but its emphasised striding, at about 75% pace, on gait and correct arm movement. It's fitted in to a weekly training schedule, often after a very tough day (like 300m reps), for the next day as a means of stretching the muscles but providing rhythm and discipline.
Would young footy players do it ed?

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{Ed001's Note - I know of it Juicer, I am not aware of it being applied in training in youth academies though. I could be wrong as I have not looked at training schedules in a number of years now, so they might have since brought it in.}

I never noticed Barkley's running style last night, but that's a good shout to look out for when he's tracking back and making runs.
Some clubs in the past have brought professional sprinters in to assist with running. Going way back, the ex GB athlete Mike McFarlane worked in football as well as other sports.
I blame Bill Shankly myself, all that work with the ball!

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I honestly think he's another Rodwell.

He'll make a mug of some chairman in the next few seasons. Everton are not daft, they'll cash in on him.

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Hey Ed 001, On the running style, did you notice a lot of heel striking in his technique or potentially a tendency for his hips to stay dropped whilst he was running? I do some Physiotherapy work with a national sprint coach down here in Aus and I know that those can be 2 big factors in a lot of ball sport athletes that cause an understride! wouldn't surprise me if he was nursing a tender hammy however with the load they are put under in these competitions. I ts all just a matter of how his bodies Kinetic chain absorbs the force, if he has developed in such a way that a shorter stride is more appropriate for his muscular proprioception then I would say it coud potentially be more healthy than if it were to be corrected, would be keen to hear your thoughts?

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{Ed001's Note - I didn't notice to be honest, they didn't show enough of him close up to really be able to get a full view of it. I disagree though, the reason a short chopped stride is dangerous is because of the effect on the knees. It is not about the muscles at all. He might be lucky and get away with it due to the soft nature of the surface they play on, but I would personally prefer not to see a young player taking that risk with his future. Even though he is no doubt set for life, it would still be a shame to see him unable to reach his full potential due to lasting damage done due to no one correcting a simple issue.}

I think he's a fine player but not worth 40 million of our money. maybe everton will sell him as they always sell their best players but it won't be to us. anyway good luck to the lad and have a great summer davey boy blue and one question before I go who will be your striker next year and what would you say lukaku is worth

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08 Jun 2014 00:18:17
I don't want it to sound like motd(watching the england game) fever BUT Lallana is quality just pay the money and sign him up . Lallana, Gerrard, Henderson, sterling.amazing!

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Hell no! I rather spend 40m get Barkley rather than 30 m and get lallana

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08 Jun 2014 00:56:56
Agreed barkley if they would ever sell is worth whatever we can afford right now

Even if we didn't keep him we'd double the money in a year or so

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When you become as rich as FSG and not lose money everyday like LFC`s currently doing, then YOU can "just pay the money".

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Barkley isn't as good as sterling, for a central player he never gets back to help the team out, the only thing he's good at is attacking and his final pass isn't very good right now.
You can tell he's going to be good but where's he gunna play? Top of the diamond the replace the speed of sterling?
All this Barkley talk needs to stop, they would never sell to us and he could potentially stop the progress of a much better all round player in sterling.

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You're not going to get Barkley for 40 million. And if you're LFC, you won't get him for double that.

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08 Jun 2014 08:44:51
Redohio

Hatss off for that reply, But I wouldn't be stupid to pay a big sum for Lallana.

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What are people seeing in Lallana?

For me he is Bang Average and never has a major impact in a game.

Squad player worth 10-15 million tops!

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08 Jun 2014 09:46:35
KEN

I cannot agree completely. But he isn't worth anywhere what Saints want. Not a chance in living heaven.

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So HF, tell me what I'm missing in him.
When has he had a major impact in a game. I saw him score 1 good goal last season (maybe v Villa) where all the defenders backed off him and he dribbled through, but that's it.
He's average, no better than Allen or Henderson and should be priced accordingly.

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His touch is another level, but he's not a Berbatov in that he will take one out of the sky then stop- Lallana works like Hendo. His crossing made a minimum of 10 goals last season be it with flick-ons or balls headed back across the 6 yard box.
His finishing can still improve, but 10 goals from midfield in a team no better than United is commendable.
And although all professional players should be comfortable on either side, he really is two footed meaning defenders can't push him onto one side. I've seen a lot of him over the last two seasons and although £30million is Southampton taking the p**s I value the lad at £20million minimum. He would also fit perfectly into our system as on the counter attack he is particularly strong movement wise (even if pace isn't his biggest strength).
BR wants the guy, I think that says enough.

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Ken I just lost buckets loads of respect for you Lallana is a very good player you must not have watched him much to not see his talent

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Ken, I agree about Lallana, maybe £15m but certainly not £20/25/30m.
My choice would be Konoplyanka for his buy out of £12.1M if that's correct, as he is more of what we need.
I would rate Barkley in the £40m bracket as I reckon he's going to be some player, but I reckon we've got zero chance due to Evertons reluctance to sell to us and as soon as it was apparent he is available man u would come in over the top of us. They done it with Rooney and it paid off and anything Everton can do to reduce the possibility of us winning things they will gladly oblige.

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"a team no better than utd", class toddy class!

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Ken
Maybe you haven't seen enough yet but Lallana is not average
His touch, balance, vision, effort are all first class
Reminds me a little of Beardsley with some of his movement and cunning play
I hope we get him more than any other mentioned. Of course we don't want to be ripped off and our last reported offer was pretty close so I am hopeful.
If we sign he will fit like a glove with little time needed to adapt
Give him 6 games for us and I hope you then see what excites a lot of us

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08 Jun 2014 16:54:46
Ken,
What he brings is dribbling skills. Simple. he hasn't got pace. Once Ed002 said here. Some players impress the camera more than what they actually do it on the pitch. He is a decent footballer. But not a 30 mill player. That's the price for a World class year in year out midfielder. who would never buckle under pressure or impact most games.
Or else. the Buyer should be so rich, they actually don't care. Javi garcia, Jack rodwell,
Nothing wrong with your assessment mate.

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You don't wanna pay 30m for lallana, but you wanna pay 40m for barkley?

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08 Jun 2014 18:43:38
Kaizer

I would defo pay up-to 35 mill in a straight cash for Barkley.
young. and brilliant. I wish he was a Scouser. We would have won the title last season.
Gerrard. Hendo and Barkely

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Harry, Harry, Harry, you wish Barkley was a scouser?? I think you mean you wish he was a red.

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Game of opinions dezy.
I don't claim to be a scout, I just call it as I see it.
I made a similar call last season about all of Spuds signings and got similarly mocked and derided.

I don't have an ego to speak of but it's sad if you've lost respect over a player.

I still love ya

Ken

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