Liverpool Banter Archive June 08 2013

08 Jun 2013 22:25:29
This site is a breeding ground for factions - In BR we trust vs BR is out his depth, FSG out vs FSG making LFC self sustainable. The common denominator is the fact we all want our team to succeed. Now we can all come onto this site and shout our mouths off like keyboard warriors, and its fully understandable why people have their doubts and concerns about the current position of the club, but the fact remains this is where we are, and frankly shouting about it on here won't change sh*t. I just hope that, whoever we sign, we all give our full support for them. Whether you agree with the signing or not, Liverpool Football Club has built a name because of the unbelievable support given to the club. I had my head in my hands when we signed Keane, but I still shouted for him, because that's what we do as fans of this club. When the new season starts the team will need all of us, and it's our responsibility as fans of this amazing club to let them know we are behind them, doubts or not.

JFT 96

JP

Good post mate, I fear this is will be wasted on many.

The real AG

So completely agree with you JP.

Can't remember the number of signings I raved about and they turned out to bomb, and the number of signings I was sure would bomb and they have turned into legends.

How could we replace Rush with a no-name from Oxford? Didn't work out too badly.

How could we shore up a leaky and aging defence with a gangly chap from a dutch club no-one had heard of and a bloke who'd just been relegated with Blackburn?

I thought Diouf & Diao would be fantastic, and that we were signing the future in Pongolle and 'le Talent'.

The scouts at the club are better than most if not all of us, and I do believe that BR is building a system different a large number of clubs out there, and therefore the sorts of players we would be linked to will be different to those linked to by the likes of Man Utd, Citeh, Chelski & the like. Even when we get back into the CL, we'll still be pulling names out that are a bit left-field, I'm sure of it.

Z

Well said

I'm with you brother. Keep spreading the love.

Alfie

09 Jun 2013 11:28:39
Fair play to ya jp mate. Well said and respect to you.

08 Jun 2013 22:02:39
Hi Guys,
i have written a 'classic player profile' on Michael Owen

Please have a look & comment!

Would love to hear all your thoughts!

http://www.player-profiles.co.uk/michael-owen_.php

08 Jun 2013 22:00:29
This is my personal view of last season and the forthcoming season. Poor start, at home and away. However, we did recover to show some promise. I was and always will be a KK fan and in my opinion I didn't see much difference in the first half of the season between KK's team the previous year and Brendan's. In fact I thought first half of the combined seasons KK's team played better football.

However, second half, only losing 3 games in the process convinced me we are on the right track.

I did post last year quizing BR credentials against KK;s but I have to say I have been impressed so far and maybe made a mistake.

With regards Luis, wow what a player, top, top ability. But if he want to go then so be it, take the right cash (at least £50m) move on spend wisely and start again. I for one will not slate the guy, he has been awesome for us and at his age he's right to want to play in the CL.

It's not his fault solely we are not there and yes we have supported him through tough times, that he brought on but that's us.

If he goes wish him well and hope BR spends well. We will be here long after LS has gone!

T-MAC

Agree with poster regards Suarez, let's start the bidding at £50m and see what we can get. The balls in our park with regards to his long contract.

Livern01

Great post T-MAC, whatever happens with Suarez then we have to move on and wish him all the best etc.

Ack17

I still think we won't get anthin over £45 million for Suarez. Amazing talent but if you ran a club would you risk more than £40 million on a player who could and probably will miss several games because of his attitude. I personally wouldnt.

if suarez was the same player but with lineker's sportsmanship I honestly think we would get £70 plus million as god knows he has the talent

Gareth

Gareth as far as Suarez is concerned, if he can bag 30 goals a season for us whilst being banned for 4 games, then I would be happy to live with it. I am of the belief the owners should make use of Suarez's long term contract, hold him to it and use him to help get us the CL spot we all want. It will be so much easier getting CL with Suarez, than without IMO.

Can't remember Suarez ever missing a game through injury? So yes; clubs will be willing to pay the £50mil + price for a player who's likely to play more games in a season than most.
Football clubs like Real. Barca, Bayern to name a few are conceited and always think they can manage a top player better than anyone else.
Suarez has 3yrs on his contract so Lfc are in a very strong bargaining position.

08 Jun 2013 21:28:02
Chelsea have released Yossi Benayoun, Paulo Ferreira, Florent Malouda. Any of these still worth a punt and still got something to offer? What do you think. Malouda? {Ed030's Note - No I would not want any of them anywhere near the club. }

Wouldn't take him now but Benayoun was a lovely player, clever with great feet

Got to agree with Ed on this one. I think all three would not offer anything apart from drying out our funds

gareth

Benayoun was a great player why did he move to Chelski? His career stalled after that. Good times at LFC though.

Livern01

08 Jun 2013 21:07:53
Question for any of the Eds: which of Liverpool's academy or reserve players do you think might break into the first team in the next season or two? Who do you think has the most potential? {Ed030's Note - 1)Maybe Mclaughlin,Ibe,Sinclair,Texiera and jones 2)probably Ibe. }

08 Jun 2013 20:27:59
Can I just say, having heard some quite damning remarks about our new away kit, I've got to totally and wholly agree.
who on earth has the final say on what is basically a fashion item should look like. Do these people still get their clothes bought by their mothers?
Who considers, Mmmm, this is a fashion item, we want lots of people to buy it because they like it and are loyal supporters, so let's make it look like an acid trip with a pair of shorts already attached. And fitted so its flattering on the chubby ones.
I'm afraid its another own goal for the away strip designers.
ps its not just Liverpool who shoot themselves in the foot. Remember Chelsea's hi viz kit or Evertons pink number.

Evertons one was in aid of breast cancer
Jak

It's a kit, it's done, move on

Get over it.

DaveyBootle

I can honestly say when I first seen the away kit I thought it was terrible but since then iv found it growing on me so much so I actually ordered myself 1 today with a nice lfc polo shirt I seen whilst browsing the lfc website I know there's no accounting for taste but I don't get the big outcry over a away kit if you don't like it don't buy it its that easy if no 1 buys it i'm sure warrior won't make another kit that dares to be slightly different again for me its lfc it could be yellow with pink polka dots i'd still wear it with pride
giblet

Dont like it don't buy it its that simple move on thousands will buy it I doubt warrior or Liverpool are losing any sleep over it.

Fair kop on the Everton pink top, but most are missing the point. Never mind if its got pink dots on, its about making money, and if the top stinks then it is an own goal. The more user friendly it is the more we sell the more more fans we get the money we get the better players we get.
just putting a badge on it does not make good marketing.

08 Jun 2013 20:08:14
Maybe we should stay clear from English players, with our youth policy, Just watched the England u21 match and they were awful, 3-1 loss with Ince and Zaha not even getting past their markers.

Probably due to Pearce managing them.

08 Jun 2013 20:47:13
Think SP needs to move on now, he ain't a psycho no more. The kids aren't afraid of him otherwise they would've rushed their knackers off if SP was back in his prime.

I think pearce needs to take a lot of blame some of the under 21 players are good certainly better than that showing the fact pearce only knows how to play 1 way can't change tactics through the games or adapt to going behind they started off well enough if the fa give pearce another contract there mad lol

Pearce should never have got the job in the first place, the bloke is as thick as you like. How do people get jobs they're not qualified for just because they're ex players? {Ed030's Note - I agree Chris I have never rated him as a manager at City or the U-21. }

I know people who have played for and believe me they think he's a joke. Thick as a whale omelette.

Kidder

08 Jun 2013 20:04:45
We should be heading in to this new season full of confidence!
We have one of the youngest, most exciting squads in the country.
If Rodgers sorts our defence out then we will be contenders a lot sooner than I thought possible after the previous season's nonsense.
We had Charlie Adam starting in midfield!
Just imagine if we'd had Sturridge and Coutinho from the beginning of the season.
We'd have got Champions League.

I'm confident we will finish in the top 4 next season.
Chelsea and Manchester United have old squads that need a total overhaul.
Man City are a team full of mercenaries.
Plus all three of these have new managers.
Moyes will not instill the winning metality that Manchester United had under Ferguson. They will start turning losses into draws rather than wins.
Mourinho has shown his failings at Real Madrid. He's super lucky to be getting his old job back.
And Pellegrini will soon find out that his squad are lazy and will get him fired if they don't like his style of management.

I was so skeptical of Rodgers when he was appointed but he has completely won me over. I enjoy watching Liverpool again. We play exciting, direct football. I can only think of a handful of games last season were we deserved to lose. We threw away so many games from winning positions. If Rodgers can give the team a bit mental steel then we will see these games out and come out victorious. I believe he can and will do that.

If Suarez leaves I don't really care. They will re-invest the money and strengthen the squad. We do not need someone who keeps threatening to leave during every transfer window. If he does, he will regret it just like I'm sure Owen and Torres do.

Finally, Rodgers and FSG are sorting this club out. And if you you can't see that because we're not buying Falcao then go and support Man City or Chelsea. And if you must come on here to slag off the owners, the manager or even the Ed's, then learn how to spell. Your lame arguments as so called Liverpool fans become even weaker when you've mispelled Skirtle or even Saurez

Agree with you 100%.
Liverbird

Spot on mate!

I was exactly the same, just three months ago I had a massive argument with my best mate saying we should have got Rafa back!

I do feel the defence needs sorting-javi Valero I think his name is? The old defensive coach that had Pepe, in my opinion, the best keeper in the world! A few more ins and its looking good, although I do think we are at least two seasons off being serious contenders, its looking bloody good! BR is doing a great job!

Red till I die

Skrtel u Muppet

Quigz23

Skrtel and Suarez?
Any chance of a name at the bottom of this post for future reference?

Waro

Do you mean Skrtel.

Ali

I misspelt Skrtle and Suarez on purpose.
Flidby

So basically, all the teams above will fail and Liverpool will improve drastically. You hear these kind of things from a certain LFC fans on a yearly basis until reality begins to set in by Christmas time or even before.

We can all but dream I guess ;)

HB

Irony is lost on some Flidby mate.

Mick D

08 Jun 2013 17:49:42
Eds when do the new premier leaugue fixture list come out?
Thanks

Basy {Ed023's Note - 19th June}

I bet we get a very hard start.

Got a funny feeling we'll get united in the first few games

My monies on city or spurs away, closely pursued by arsenal at home then chelsea away, a solid 7 pointer.

You can chalk it down that we will get a really hard first game, top four team, prob away, while there is one team not to far away from anfield who will get a home game on super sunday against a promoted team.
redforever

I want Manchester United as the 1st game

08 Jun 2013 19:17:55
Hi all fellow reds

With all the activity surrounding Suarez and will he won't he and other factors going on around Liverpool like the ground etc. I think this is great as it has taken the attention off our little diamond we have found. From what I have seen Coutinho will be outstanding next season. He has all the qualities to be a top notch player and we have him.
With the players we are linked with and if we get them, I believe this young exciting lad will only get better.
Well done Brendan and the scouting team for getting him,
Exciting times next season.
Keep the faith my friends keep the faith.

08 Jun 2013 18:28:45
I fear that the players Liverpool are looking at this summer are not good enough. We've seen this time and time again. When will we target quality signings to move us on.

Same apart from papadopoulos and mkhitaryan but I fear FAG will not give us that sort of money to spend on players

Will have to go for the bargain bucket buys like aspas

Chelsea and city spending 30/40 mill on one player before they even sell anyone we can't compete with that

We have to sell suarez and skrtel to have a good window they dot have to sell mata an aguero like we would

Oh well more miocrity under uncle sam

Why are people so negative on our potential signings just because they are not so well known, these players that city and chelsea are signing didn't start off being £30 mill players, clubs see their potential and craft them into the quality players that they are, unfortunatly for these clubs finacial trouble means they have to sell for us though, we wouldn't have that problem in a few years and will sell when we want and not dictated to by big spending clubs because were investing in our youth and will always have players to step into the team. I for one am excited for our future!

Ahh brilliant two know it all posters claiming FSG won't invest when they clearly have. Rodgers is obv linking us to rubbish players like sturridge and coutinho. Should start investing s*** loads of money on over rated players who play for money and care nothing for the club.

London red

Who are they looking at?

In fact, who are they looking at that you or I would never guess?

That's the thing you see, you are guessing as you don't know, do you?

In fact, no-one on here knows as it's all a guessing game, a big dramatic, inpatient, know-it-all guessing game.

I can guarantee you that if any journalist or rag get hold of a story of a player being scouted by Liverpool, I can bet you it would be sprawled over the recycled rag before it can even dry as a 'transfer target', and that's why we are linked with so many - regardless of talent etc.

So, sit back, have a bevvie and watch it all unfold in front of your eyes as it's going to be a very interesting couple of months ahead.

Who knows, there may be a star player so many of you on here crave (myself included) that may step off the plane at JLA or arrive at the gates in his blacked-out sports car, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

Let's enjoy what we have for now and let's have a little faith. After all, it appears that they are moving quickly which is a massive positive.

DaveyBootle

To the 'FAG' poster. not only do you know little about football but you are clearly a biggot as well. I would guess you don't know what the reference to Uncle Tom means either!

08 Jun 2013 19:37:21
Plastics. You criticizing players linked to us now? You can't even wait for them to sign before you write them off, I don't know if its a new breed of Plastic supporter but some LFC "fans" will complain at every chance they get. Leem

08 Jun 2013 19:42:09
Clueless fickle knobs! Don't bother with trolls like this people! Clearly fifa children!

What is miocrity? haha fool

But many of you would put coutinho in the bracket of not good enough until you and I saw how good he can be for us.

We can't compete but do not kid yourself that all the best players cost £30-50 million? There are and have always been world class talents for minimal money but we need to find them.

A certain Swansea striker was pretty good last year and did not cost a fortune and as far as I know was not scouted by loads of clubs either, so just wait and see

Personally I think this year could be good for us and I would still rather have a couple of very good team players over one world class arrogant ball hogging type

Gareth

We cannot compete, we would have to pay over the odds to secure big buys, e.g Arsenal are rumoured to want higuain for 20mil, that's cheap because the player might push for it, but we would have to pay considerably more and a higher wage as he will not get champions league next year, and might choose arsenal over us but if we pay more, his club would push the player to go to us

The poster never mentioned 'uncle tom'
he clearly referenced 'uncle sam' so let's not make race an issue when it's not,
also just because he makes a typo and types FAG instead of FSG, this does not make him a homophobe either, the s and a are next to each other on the keyboard afterall,

08 Jun 2013 17:29:36
charlie austin£7 million better alrounder than ince worth a punt

Steve Austin is even better and is a 6 million dollar man

08 Jun 2013 16:54:27
What would the transfer fee of raheem Stirling be should anyone ask? 6 million or more? {Ed052's Note - a hell of a lot more than that}

Before he signed his professional contract last december there was talk that he could push through a transfer for higher wages, the figure touted around at the time was 15m.

08 Jun 2013 18:12:09
I disgree completely. A lot less that £6m. Hw much did Studge and Coutinho cost? {Ed030's Note - Comparing prices is Silly Carroll cost £35m,Suarez £23m so Carroll is better than Suarez and 4 times as good as Coutinho?. }

I don't see Sterling making it in the long term at Liverpool I have a lot more faith in Iibe who is going to be a cracking player.

The price of any player comes down to what someone else is prepared to pay for him.

08 Jun 2013 19:21:54
Raheem is one of the most highly rated 18 years old in the world! He will be one of our best players for years and years! Redruss you are clueless!

Sterling is worth more than carp Zaha, 3 years younger and just as good if not better!

At times in the first half of the season, he was the only bright spark bar Suarez, why do fans constantly put the team down?

Sterling is a good player but lightweight he gets knocked off the ball easily and has no end product, I prefer Ibe, he can get past defenders, pass, center and assist, worth more than Sterling I think, and if offered a reasonable fee I would sell him £10-£12 million is realistic

08 Jun 2013 21:32:21
Light weight? He just turned 18 darn it!
He has so much time to get muscle and weight!
Plus Sterling actually doesn't get knocked off the ball for being "light" he actually is very strong for such a small kid! Because that's all Sterling is, so lay off him FFS!

Ibe is the better prospect. Despite being younger than Sterling, he is more physical and has far greater 'presence'. He is more suited to the hurly-burly of the Premier League. He also works harder and already has a better end product.

08 Jun 2013 16:22:38
Hi eds love the site look at it everyday.
Was just wondering what's the story with Sergi Canos, Illori and Luis alberto?
Also do know of any interset in Capoue from tolouse?
Cheers eds
Carty2k13 {Ed052's Note - theres nothing new on those 3. Nothing has changed in the last hours. Thd window isn't even open. Not from us. Ive heard of a rumour of Arsenal-}

08 Jun 2013 16:03:45
hi eds, any interest in portos juan iturbe? {Ed052's Note - no. Stop asking questions about random players, and if you have to spam our pages, just give one random list of players, not loads of seperate posts}

Alright Ed052 mate relax a second! At the end of the day people are going to ask anout random players on a rumours site like this! {Ed030's Note - Yes what he said was if you are going to ask about players do a list instead of posting questions individually as is spam's the site, Not don't ask about players. }

08 Jun 2013 15:49:39
Hey eds,

1. What is the situation with mkhitaran
2. Have we officially signed Iago aspas

Thanks {Ed052's Note - we have enquired and are interested. No, the window hasn't opened}

08 Jun 2013 14:24:11
Is there any interest in:
Adam Maher AZ Midfielder
Bernd Leno Bayer Levekusen Goalie
Erik Lamela Roma Forward

The latter Lamela seems to be a fantastic prospect and knows where the goal is.
Thanks Eds {Ed052's Note - from us? No, no and no}

08 Jun 2013 14:56:45
Anyone else frustrated with no LFC footie being played?

08 Jun 2013 14:38:26
hi eds,
withc. cole being released by wesst ham, is there any chance that we could move for him. proven goal scorer in the prem.
what do u think?
cheers :) {Ed030's Note - Are you being serious?. }

Best joke I have heard in the last century!!K!K!K

Oh dear god. please atleast be fan enough!

Roy hodgeson was sacked 3 years ago so no, my god wot a ridiculous suggestion.

FFS OP! Your a person right?

Carlton is that you?

As I have said before on here, if that player being suggested was Kolo Toure say 6 7 weeks ago, right there would have been the genuine reactions to him signing for us. Yet when his name came out of the blue and was then confirmed by the club, you where all saying what shrewd business it was! I wouldn't touch Cole with Everton's money but the OP is entitled to his opinion. Yet you jump on him. Tut tut.

Waro

08 Jun 2013 21:45:11
Kolo Toure still is a very very strong and good defender coming from man city while carlton cole is a bad player who comes from BS westham!
Kolo Toure has vast experience! Even more than Carras as he has captained his country over 100 times and in 3 world cups! Tuut Tuut

08 Jun 2013 14:29:18
Next season is our season (no joke intended)

Young Baller

Dream on my friend another 7th finish I would say TOMMY YNWA.

Top 4 is a most, don't be fooled by Ayre comments. Fsg will want champs league at the end of next season fact

08 Jun 2013 14:17:02
The academy is getting beefed up with talent that will either make it in the first team for Liverpool or somewhere else.

RF - Sergi Canos, 16 (U18)
DM - Pedro Chirivella, 16 (U18)
DM - Matheus Biteco, 18 (U21)

Along with young squad players who will be fighting for starting places

Tiago Ilori, 20
Jetro Willems, 18
Luis Alberto, 20
Tom Ince, 21

with current young first team players

Sterling, 18
Suso, 19
Wisdom, 20
and potentially Teixeira, 20 & McLaughlin, 18 if they impress in pre season.

Excellent post mate. Spot on

Young Baller

Jetro Willems? he's not a realistic target

08 Jun 2013 13:19:18
Hi Eds,

Will Krisztian Adorjan be at the club for next season?

Regards

Marc {Ed052's Note - I can see him leaving}

Hope he gets a chance in the 1st team he is a good player, or if we sell we should do what Barcelona do and sell him for a minimal fee but have a buy back option within 3 years so if he ends up being good we buy him back if not we don't.

Behind Coutinho, Suso, Texeira in the pecking order and we still looking for another 10. I think he will leave.

08 Jun 2013 12:42:08
Eds,

If we are looking for technical skillful player like Suarez, have Liverpool look at contract rebel Mauro Zarate?

He would be available for cheap or free I think.

For me he got a very good technical skill like Suarez. If Rodgers can coach him hopefully be better.

Any idea if LFC is looking for this player?

thanks Eds. {Ed002's Note - No they are not.}

08 Jun 2013 12:53:37
Why is everyone fretting about next season? United now have moyes and I doubt his first season will be deemed a success! Pellegrini has just joined city, mourinho is back at chelsea! The blue noses now have martinez

The top four and a couple of surrounding team looks quite unsettled and are in more of a transitional period than we are! I think we have a good chance of challenging for a CL with our current team with or without suarez. at times to be honest I thought we relied to heavily on him and got shut out of games!

Danski

I agree entirely Danski, I think next year might well be your year

AJH

They are all spending £100mil on top top class international players

We are not we will be further behind

08 Jun 2013 22:21:57
I can also see aresnal doing well

08 Jun 2013 12:34:10
{Ed030's Note - Just to let you all know I have posted a profile on Papadopoulos who Has been subject of interest from Liverpool you can find it at http://www.player-profiles.co.uk/kyriakos-papadopoulos.php Thanks. }

08 Jun 2013 12:11:14
Just a message to the eds.
I took a couple of days away from the site due to work and I logged in yesterday presuming nothing had changed.
But after scrolling through the posts I came across a comment referring to a summary which was made a few days back.
Firstly, let me say the summary is very impressive, it's comprehensive and detailed, so WELL DONE EDS!
However, I was completely unaware of this summary's existence and I'm sure others are in the same boat.
Would it no be appropriate to leave an 'ed note' at the head of the page which informs posters of this summary's existence as it is such a fantastic and well written piece it would be a shame if not everyone was aware of it.

Anyway, just a thought.
Thanks for all your hard work it is very much appreciated.

Puzzled Red {Ed002's Note - The Eds did not provide the summary - but well done to whoever did. In the past those guys who did the summaries received abuse. We have added notes to the top of the page before and it makes no difference at all to what happens with the posts.}

Im sorry, but where is this summary? {Ed030's Note - Search for 'Transfer summary'

08 Jun 2013 12:23:26
Hi Eds
I'm really getting frustrated with reina, suarez and torres saying they understand the frustration of wanting to leave LFC. Are we really that desperate is reina and suarez really that good? I jusst wish the club would let them go already. Just look at torres, he left and look at him now. Just goes to show that the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

Now to serious matters, Eds do you think a deal for reina with barca involving say maybe tello and cash plus a sale to madrid of suarez of cash plus player or just cash, is that not a good fare amount of business?

I don't want reina no more than I want suarez at my club, no hard feelings, I just think we can do better without them.

Ndora.

Torres left to win the champions league, and did. The grass is green enough for him.

KingHeskey

Im sre torres is happy that no one in the world likes him anymore but that's okay because he got some medals sitting on a bench like he did with spain

Cant buy respect

For all his faults and bench sitting, he still won the golden boot at the Euros last year!

Don't worry about Torres at Chelsea mate nobody will remember him for any of the medals he has won. They'll only remember Drogba and rightly so. Mourinho will show him the door or make him 4th choice striker.

All South American and Spanish players we build up will angle for a move at some stage to sunnier skies in Madrid/Barcelona or for a big pay check like Torres. One of those things.

Get rid of Suarez asap. Reina has done his time. Let him make his 'dream move'. Time for a new young top GK imo.

08 Jun 2013 11:56:58
We've had 2 s*** away and 3rd kits for 2 seasons now, anyone else think the designer should be sacked? Kits getting worse very season, we getting laughed about.

Strange, I work with a load of blokes who support loads of different teams, and the funny thing is didn't get one comment last year?
I guess we have far more important things to worry about.
Heres a thought, get the home one and grow up.

Being a supporter of an opposition team I find your stressing about the kit more laughable than what it looks like. But then I'm into football, not fashion.

HB

To be honest I don't like it, but what? I actually admire the person who designed it because where the hell he got the ideas for the kits from I have no idea, thinking outside the box.

Last years third kit was a bit of a joke, but not a reason to get upset - we never even wore it after all! I applaud this years away kit as a fresh, new design with retro/historic origins. The third kit doesn't really do anything for me, but I still appreciate the unique patterns applied. I also think that our green is an under used color; how do we always get dark blue?

Anyway, I'm more than happy with Warrior and will take the occasional design that I don't fancy over the drab regurgitated Adidas crap that they pawned off on us year after year. Plus Warrior has introduced these new kits gradually. Last year third kit, this year away kit, and next year I hope to see an innovative home kit.

It's a banter post after all so stop slating all the kit talk, it's a part of our club, but no reason to get upset. The badge is still there after all; what more do you need?

If you don't like it don't buy it. Sales will probably be down after the feedback the fans have given, and not many will buy it. They'll get the message. The red one is ok just buy that for the little ones unless they love Space Invaders then your stuck with buying the away one

I actually don't mind any of the new kits tbh. For me last years away kit was the worst I have ever seen.

Anybody know our results last year wearing the supposedly crappy kits? because that's all that f***ing matters. Please just shut the f**k up its just a kit! You sound like 13 year olds

08 Jun 2013 11:25:06
Hi Edds do you think LFC would be interested in Roberto from Zaragoza as a second keeper to Reina or direct competition. He would cost about 5 million and is a super player. Zaragoza were relegated from La liga so he might even come cheaper. Cheers in advance {Ed002's Note - I really can't answer that.}

08 Jun 2013 11:16:11
Reading a few posts on here with people saying if FSG authorise the signings of some of the players linked the fans will not be happy. We have to be realistic, we cannot sign the players that United, Chelsea, City or even Spurs are going to sign. We will be left with players they do not want or need.

This is unfortunate but true. We do not have any European football next season let alone CL football, we are not a Monaco who are in the same situation as regards to European football but have a billionaire willing to spend unlimited amounts of money on players and wages, so we can only sign players that want to come to the club and play for what we are willing to pay them. These players must be deemed an improvement on what we have in their respective positions already or the club would not look at them.

The players linked may not be the best in the world but if they sign will be there because they want to be. Some of them would not have gotten in to the team in previous seasons but that was then and this is now. We are simply not going to sign players we can get on the PC playing Football Manager, they will not come at the moment. Money talks these days, history and tradition mean nothing to modern players, So it's either players we can afford with the right attitude or no signings at all, what would people rather.

Would rather fsg sold up to some billionaire that would want the very best for lfc. i'd wished that the abudabi connection panned out may be a different story now

Why should Spurs be able to attract better players than us? I don't see them in the ucl and Europa is so 2nd grade that places are given away.
Not so happy RED.

If you look at the dealings of Spurs certainly over the last 4 or 5 seasons they have brought in better players, admittedly two of the better ones in Modric and Van Der Vaart have since left but they signed in the first place. They have more money and a better chance of CL at the moment.

As for the billionaire owners, that would be nice but is not going to happen, I think FSG are doing a good job and more importantly a realistic job with the club. Who knows in the future with more outside investment the titles may come again, but these foundations although not the most spectacular are solid. I think we are on the right track, if not the fast track to a good thing here.

On the right track 7th place losing our best player buying cheap players get your head out of the clouds we are going backwards I won't be long before anfield turns on these cheap yanks all they done is slash the wage bill & increase seaonticket prices & lower reds fans expections to medicrotiy

Realistically we lack the AMBITION of United City Chelsea and Spurs

Put a name to your post so posters know who you are and have reasonable debate. The wage bill was slashed because it needed to be due to years of reckless spending. Also your point about buying mediocre players as opposed to ready made superstars, Liverpool make superstars never have bought them, it's called going back basics or the Liverpool way. It needs doing and FSG are doing a difficult almost impossible job well. When players do join the club support them don't judge them before they've kicked a ball for us and they may grow into the superstars you crave. FLOUG

Yes, on the right track. People seem to forget that it was what, two/three years ago the club was heading for bankruptcy under the last owners. From there the finances, although not in profit by hundreds of millions are stable. What do you expect as far as players, as stated the A star players will not come and even if they did we could maybe stay afloat for a year when they arrive due to huge transfer fees and wages.

Its not about football sometimes its about sensible business that allows the football to continue happening. Whilst out of CL you have less money and the best players are reluctant to come.

As for lacking ambition what do you want, let's go and win the league or even the CL, Oh wait 18 of one and 5 of the other, it will take time to do it again. The 100 million spent 2 summers ago taught FSG a lesson, they will not make the same mistake twice. They may well spend plenty again this summer but on players they see fit.

It is frustrating at the moment but I remember a game in March 1999, I was sat on the KOP watching Gerrard Houllier's Liverpool team lose 1-0 to Leicster City (Matt Elliott winner if memory serves me correct) and going to 8th, the same time United (who were top) were beating Inter Milan in Italy to go to the CL semi finals, probably the worst I've ever felt leaving Anfield thinkng I has to get better, 2 seasons later went to 3 cup finals. It will get better, but without bankrupting the club.

Building a team Dortmund style by bringing through youngsters is the best and most fulfilling way. I don't want a sugar daddy to buy us success and bring mercenaries to our club - although a new fancy stadium would be nice.

Mummy I want a "billionaire" to buy the Club

Grow up you Clown

Lyndon

08 Jun 2013 10:58:48
ed, s looking at young talent came across this younster were supposedly interested in marko dabro {Croatia} has a formidable record as a striker. do you no of him {Ed002's Note - No.}

08 Jun 2013 10:55:44
HarryScousser

Fair enough people have there opinions but you just contradict your self over and over.

Reading the posts one as someone already stated you said when we buy players from less known teams they are rubbish however when Dortmund do it they could get the class from anywhere? You make no sense.

Waro I fail to understand your hate towards FSG when they have clearly invested a lot of money into Liverpool and have a plan to have a good structure.

London red

Spot on London Red. Half the contributors on here don't think further than their own personal gripe about something or other, and have absolutely no concept of the big picture. FSG rescued us from the cowboy hell we had fallen into, and what happens? They get so much abuse from a mindless and unrepresentative minority, who would rather abuse and threaten violence than live in the real world. FSG or the plaything of some Arab despot or Russian criminal? I know which I would rather have. The club have made a few transfer mistakes, but show me a club or a manager who hasn't. Read the Secret Footballer' for all the reasons why big signings don't always gel. Kenny will always be the King, but Rogers is doing ok. Why the clowns on here who whine and winge on about this and that can't actually get behind our team bother I really don't know. I wish the whole lot of them would do one over to Citeh or the Plastics and leave us alone. I'm looking forward to next season, and interested to see who ends up in the squad - maybe that's because I follow the team, through it all, highs and lows. The fair weather fools are welcome leave the actual supporters in peace anytime they like.
ND

Cheers mate great post as well. Really does my head in just reading it when they clearly ain't got a clue!

Same for the restructure of anfield it's affecting people's lifes who may not even like football ofcourse it's going to take time! Shame people can't get their head out their arse!

London red

08 Jun 2013 10:35:06
I really do despair at some of our fans. It often makes me wonder if the other pages have fans as mindless as some of those on our pages. (ed?)

Why are people complaining that we are not putting in world record bids for the best players in the world? I can tell you why, even if we did have the money to pay 60m for one player, even if we could afford to pay the wage structure busting 200k a week that they ask for. They do not want to come to Liverpool. It's as simple as that. This is not 1988 and we are not the revered, feared and respected club we were, incidentally even back then we didn't buy the worlds best players.

My last point is this, let's review our record of spending big shall we? It doesn't matter which manager it is, they have all spent badly when given lots of money.

Evans - Collymore
Houllier - Diao, Diouf
Rafa- Keane, Aquilani, Cisse
Kenny - Carroll, Downing

Some of our best players have been signings from supposed 'lesser' teams (A term I hate using as its disrespectful). Hyypia, Alonso, Reina (Yeah I've criticized him but he was the best keeper in england for first 4 years), Coutinho, Lucas, Agger. etc

There are plenty of examples of this, so don't throw your toys out the pram because our club prefers to use its scouting system to find players instead of looking at the highest rated player on FIFA, or checking which player gets the most headlines. I think we can agree that on the whole Rodgers hasn't done badly with his first few signings. People might criticize Borini and Allen but are you really going to criticize a 21 year old striker who has had two major injuries and played with a broken foot for 2 months? Did he moan? No. He was playing with a broken foot and still tried to do the best of his ability, many other players might not have even played so give the guy a break. As for Allen, he was excellent for the first few games and everyone was impressed, until he suffered a bit of burn out and carried an injury and the world most insightful pundit *sarcasm* Alan Shearer said he played too safe, then all of a sudden everyone thought he was rubbish. Judge them after a proper season and stop being so petulant and impatient.

We didn't used to be impatient and bull headed fans, but some of us are starting to become that way (if not already) and other teams laugh where they used to respect, and I don't mean at the team.

Anyway, that's my two pence hope you all have a good time in the sun while it lasts and develop some patience.

P. S Thanks for everything eds this site is still my most used site.

Brilliant post needed saying

08 Jun 2013 11:01:21
Wonderful post Nevada! I couldn't agree more even if I wanted to!
The whining is getting out of hand, and it's clueless whining above all that! Ill informed whining and many who just can't understand reality from fiction!

Malak

Borini and Allen are terrible buys too. Why are you trying to justify buying these 2 flops? We got it wrong again. The money being spent by FSG over the past few windows, should have seen an improvement. It hasn't. And why? Because we bought Carroll Henderson Downing Adam Borini Allan for over £100million and any 8 year old Liverpool fan, playing football right now in the garden, could have picked 6 better players to buy. And for any one saying Aspas is a replacement for Suarez, I hope to god your wrong, because if your right the ambition of this club has hit a new low

I haven't read one post where someone has asked to go for a player as a world record signing or to pay £60million and pay 200k a week for a player, your putting words in peoples mouths to suit your own argument.

People are concerned at the players being brought in, on frees and relatively modest fees, which is fantastic if it comes off, but history shows that in most cases it doesn't.

You are also generalising about players too, because you pay a big fee and top wages does not mean they won't give maximum effort and commitment, just as a player on far less money and bought for a modest sum will not necessarily give his all for the club, with regards to your reasoning there, well I have never heard such nonsense in all my life.

A players attitude is in his upbringing and nothing to do with money, if he's a selfish a**ehole then that's his personality regardless of money, and it could be argued that if as an example Aspas ( modest fee maybe modest wages ) came in and bust a gut for us it's because he's using us as a stepping stone to one of Europe's super powers because he could quadruple his wages and be in a position to win all the trophy's that we couldn't give him. So don't give the BS reasoning that lower profile players are here because they want to play for the club, there here because it's a step up from there lower league team or team where they were not getting a game, we are a lot more high profile than say Celta Vigo, we are a massive name but no longer a super power club, do well for us and Barca and Madrid are waiting for you. If Couthinho continues to progress the way hopefully he should do, do you think he will stay with us hovering around 6th in the league and maybe winning the odd domestic cup? NO he will be off quicker than you can say " SELLING CLUB ".

So in summary, don't put words in peoples mouths, you are happy with how the club is trundling along, good for you, some people aren't and that is there right to form that opinion, just as it's your right to form yours.

Waro

I never said people on lower wages have better effort waro, I simply said some of our best buys have been lower fee, lower wages and lower status. And that some of our worst buys have been big status, fees and wages. Of course there are exceptions to the rule.

My point was simply that people need to manage their expectations more and that at times their lack of patience is embarrassing. Why do you talk like this selling club idea is recent? We have always been a selling club, keegan, rush, Fowler, Owen, there's loads of examples. It's nothing new. People seem to think we used to be like Madrid and poached all the best players and never sold them, but the truth is we have always allowed world class players to leave.

I also did not at any point question any players commitment either, I was simply saying that big money and big players doesn't always work out. And when you're a team with limited means, as we are, then these players represent a far greater risk to the stability of the club. Which is all moot anyway since my first point was that these players have zero interest in Liverpool.

Agreed waro! I'm so sick of all these people claiming the moral high ground because they think we should all be content with signing kolo toure and aspas as replacements for carra and Suarez.
I don't care how much people c

Sorry hit send by mistake.
Anyway I don't care how much they cost- if they are quality replacements. But I'm afraid- anyone who believes that next season we will be just as good with aspas instead of Suarez is just deluded.
Now I understand its early days in the transfer market and we might sign more quality, but if not we simply won't be as good.
Jason

Borrini and Allen are both very young and had injuries?
Now face facts, Suarez wants to leave, were not selling him because we just want cash, he does not want to stay!
The very top players do not want to come, various reasons but that's the truth, we do not appeal to them.
Time to grow up and face the facts, we have to buy players that suit our system and that will improve. We may be a selling club for years untill we can get to a level we can buy the best.

Dortmund are the only realsuccess story without spending big, they are the only sidetocompete with the european elite with spending big money.

and look what is happeningto them. the lad to united last season, gotze sold, lewandowski out the door

without owners willing topay top dollar the same will happen here. even if by some flukewe have success. unlikelywe can get higher than 3rd in the league under the current owners imo. then our best players just get poached by euro superpowers. its happening already with suarez. it ll happen with coutinho, maybe even sturridge if they continue to progress.

its a sad state of affairs and while I think we have decent owners I think they may have underestimated what is needed to brngthe title to anfield. they are doing a decent job with what they are willingto putin, trying to run the club right but its a huge ask tocompete withclubs that can pay 50 million for a strikerthen goand buy 2 more playersabove 20million also (yes yes 35 mill on andy carroll. ffs)

honestlyi dnt see how if we sell suarez we breakthe top four next season. sturridge has the quality to fillhis boots but doesn't stay fit.

i m all a bit disillusioned by it
chelsea have jose back (immediatelystronger. united may take a while to get usedtomoyes but they won't drop that far, city are spending and getting a newboss, arsenal look set tospend pretty big, andyoucan bet your ass spurs will spend just as heavily as us.

losesuarez and we are going backwardsunless top class players are bought with the feee we get for him

tom1975

And there are plenty of posts asking why we aren't signing cavani, tevez, falcao etc all players that would cost upward of 45m commanding 200k a week. Surely you must've seen these posts?

Cracking post.

This is the thing that is concerning.

The club has had it's chance over many years since the inception of the Premier League and simply has failed to capitalize.

As Liverpool supporters we have been blessed for many years by spending large transfer fees and having the pulling power to bring in quality players.

We mustn't throw our toys out of the pram because we can't compete with big-spending billionaire clubs and we must do it the hard way with guidance and a good scouting network.

Anyway, we still spend enough cash each season.

We have no God-given right to spend, win things or dominate and we have to succeed the hard way.

I'm sure some will have a go but I'm a realist.

DaveyBootle

Waro, give it a rest and go and look up facts instead of knocking fans with subjective ramblings!

So in summary, learn to use objectivity in your posts, might make your opinion credible.

K79

I don't get this tag of selling club. If Barcelona, Madrid or even Munich came in for any premier league player then they will more than likely get them. The fact is when Madrid come knocking, you milk them for every penny.
What if we don't sell and play with the ghost of Luis Suarez for 6 months and lose him in january for 30 million as opposed to the 40+million?
derryred

08 Jun 2013 15:20:04
K79, what are you talking about, if your going to post at least make it relevant to the conversation. What facts are you looking for from me? Ask me a question and I will try to keep my answer as factual as possible for you. But if you don't have a point then go away.

Waro

While I think it would be nice if we were in the position to be the club signing the Lewandowski/Suarez/Neymar/etc of the world, we're clearly not there financially to do so. So for those suggesting that our future signings are not of the relative quality needed, what do you propose instead? Take giant loans to buy players? Dig up a billionaire from somewhere and ask them politely to please buy the club out of the goodness of their heart? I see an awful lot of complaining but very little actual specific resolutions? I'm pretty sure if you've invented some new method to make the club print money instead of bleed it FSG would be more than happy to listen to this groundbreaking idea.

08 Jun 2013 09:48:25
Hi eds

Is it possible for the kolo toure deal to mess up. This is because the club said a deal has been agreed in principle. what does this mean?

Thanks John {Ed002's Note - It means that the transfer window was not open when he agreed to the move so his registration could not be transferred.}

08 Jun 2013 00:21:48
Any of the eds onow whether Downing maybe off this summer and who is interested? Think his time is up, doesn't score enough goals for a forward in 433. {Ed023's Note - Depends on who we bring in and what offer is made for Downing. I for one would like to see him stay as he offers great cover in the big games.}

I agree Ed023. I think there's more to come from downing, but if we was to get a decent enough offer (which I can't see) then he's got to go. Approx what would be the lowest we would take for Downing?

08 Jun 2013 10:33:42
I think Downing offers enough to be a squad player! And to be honest we have a small squad with so many U-21 players! Anyways my opinion!

Malak

08 Jun 2013 09:09:19
EDs do you think we are interested Arouna Kone.

08 Jun 2013 08:49:09
TV this morning saying we are linked with Kone from Wigan. Also, Palace and Swansea in for Tom Ince
I think we will be linked to dozens of players over the summer, as it's clear the areas we need to strengthen in
TV also saying Chelsea will have to break the 50million barrier to land Cavani. I just hope if Suarez does go, we get a decent price for him, but people saying 50-60million isn't really realistic. If we can get 40+million then we have done well

RD

Ince link £4m yet we cannot buy him for less than £8m?

08 Jun 2013 08:13:07
Please please please Ed's or anyone else, can you tell me its just paper talk linking Kone from Wigan cheers

Seems plausible. Played in a team will similar style last season. Is £6.5m which is the area FSG will look to spend. Think with Pearce on a free Ilori £4m and Aspas deal £7m that's it. add these and sign on fees for Toure/pearce you'll get £20m budget. If Luis sold then £8.5m Tello will come in and rest saved for Jan. if we do well without spending then very little done in jan. FSG won't spend unless absolute necessary.

Carlo

2 points about this!
1. Look at the paper linking us! say no more
2. Have you actually seen him play?
John Wigan

Yesterday it was Tevez, today Kone. Has it not yet dawned upon you that with each day a tabloid links LFC with a different player. Have good long think about it & maybe you won't stress yourself out so much.

dd

08 Jun 2013 10:51:37
Daaaamn! People actually believe that any name thrown out there is signed already! I remember a post Samsam9000 posted about the players linked to us in the media! There was a 100 names
at least on his list! Chill out!

Malak

08 Jun 2013 06:54:18
Hi Eds, Erikesen name always seems to be creeping in and out. Is there any solid info in this. Are LFC planning to make a move for him {Ed002's Note - Search function broken?}

08 Jun 2013 06:23:56
Hello Eds,
any news regarding Iago Aspas, Luis Alberto and Tiago Illori deals?
I am personally getting a little worried, I know the transfer window isn't open yet but still these are the relatively cheaper deals and need to be done quickly.

We need lengthy negotiations for the more expensive deals like Mkhitryan, Papadopoulos, a GK and a possible Suarez replacement as these will be the more expensive and more important deals related to improving the first team.

Also is it true we are intersted in the Genoa CDM Jurak Kucka?

{Ed002's Note - I don't understand your thought process about the length of negotiations varying because of the player's cost. I still think Kucka is probably heading to Milan.}

Such impatience!

08 Jun 2013 06:03:10
IN
Mignolet
Toure
Papadoulas
Illori
Aspas
Alberto
Henrikh Mickey
Benteke/wide player (Ince, Atsu?)
Out
Reina
Carra
Coates
Skrtel
Carroll
Suarez
Fringe Players like Assaidi, Spearing etc

We may also see a suprise signing if money is left but I rather doubt it
after all the additional fees
Ed's Your Views {Ed002's Note - Are spread all over the site.}

Kone is the surprise

Carlos

I would love a decent LB or a quality CDM to be the surprise.

08 Jun 2013 02:47:31
I feel this summer will be a good one for Liverpool Football Club. This is the first summer that FSG have had some stability as to who is managing the club and has been for the whole previous season. The last two signings Sturiddge and Coutinho look how both of those have been. They do generally have the best interest of the club at there heart. I think we've Rodgers has earnt the respect of the club over the season and many people now trust him to lead the club forward. We are the best fans in the world! Every game I go to or see I generally get goosebumps around anfield. let's get behind our manager, Owners even Ian Ayre we have no choice. We seen what happens when fans don't at other clubs, Top 4 can happen if we support all those and every new signing, were too quick to slate new signings off if there not like cavani etc. We will be back amongst europes elite one day the more we support the whole club the quicker it will be.
Peace People!

Hallelujah!

cozinoz

Great post!

08 Jun 2013 00:46:01
Aspas is not a replacement for Suarez lol are u guys having a laugh! He's being bort in to bolster our side, if Suarez is sold for 50+ that 50m will be reinvested into the team. Maybe not a striker seen as Rodgers likes sturridge through the middle but expect some top quality wide fowards to come in! They will be the replacement for Suarez! Not aspas!

Aspas is an excellent player though!