Liverpool Banter Archive July 08 2015

08 Jul 2015 23:14:26
First time poster , is lacazette a possible target, or just media??

{Ed030's Note - Use the Search function. }

08 Jul 2015 21:57:36
Just wondering Eds, do you feel there are others in the dressing room who might have the same feelings towards Rodgers as its reported Sterling has?

In my opinion it wouldn't surprise me if there was because the team were performing like Rodgers had lost the dressing room towards the end of last season.

{Ed030's Note - No idea. }

08 Jul 2015 22:41:23
there was plenty of rumours. I don't think he's liked. I don't think he is equipped to deal with strong willed players or winners? let's see what happens with milner he's already promised him CM ? weak handed like he was with sturridge. can't you find a space for him in Dublin?

09 Jul 2015 04:15:30
Why, you think he could follow big jack?

09 Jul 2015 04:55:49
Gerrard is a massive advocate of him, and believes he would have won more if Rodgers had been around longer. Maybe Sterling really didn't like getting told off on 'Being Liverpool' haha.

09 Jul 2015 07:08:11
Rumours are that Gerrard can't stand brendan,even had a few run ins with him at various parties etc. Also that stevie would never return on loan while rodgers is at the club. Like I said just rumours I've heard around pubs in huyton where everyone knows at least one of Gerrards family haha. If true though then maybe stevie just saying those things in media for the good of the club?

09 Jul 2015 07:12:46
If Rodgers had lost the dressing room do you really think FSG would have stuck by him?

Once you pass a certain point in football there is no going back.

Sterling is getting dogs abuse and so wants someone to blame. I'm sure in his own mind he doesn't think he deserves all this.

09 Jul 2015 08:08:15
He's not being paid to be liked.
Players praise the manager when we're winning and blame him when we're not. They like the manager web they're being picked and hate him when they're not.

It's always been like that.

08 Jul 2015 21:36:12
Reports saying Gary McAllister had a meeting with Rodger's today regarding a coaching role at the club.

08 Jul 2015 21:04:15
Hello eds and fellow reds

I have a question regarding Emre Can.

What do we do with him?

I think it is obvious that he has what it takes to be a great football player. Whenever I have seen him play as a midfielder I´ve seen glimpses of brilliance, but there are of course things he needs to improve - Fitness and the amount of touches he makes. I would imagine that he can improve these things if coached correctly.

I would think deeplying playmaker with a freedom to make a drible once in a while would fit him perfectly.

Which kind of role would you prefer him to play in the comming season?

CB, RB, DM, deeplying playmaker, Regista, Box-to-box midfielder ,attaking midfielder, other (heard EMS would prefer him as a sweeper if remember correctly)?

A general opinion about this lad would also be appreciated.

{Ed030's Note - I don't think he is a defensive midfielder, He is an all round decent player who needs to sharpen up on a few things. One thing I would say is he has time on his side to work on his defensive game and the faults he has. I believe I can be a very important player in the future. }

08 Jul 2015 21:54:26
Glad to know Ed030 and I hope you can, but I believe he was asking about Can

{Ed030's Note - Haha, I've been editing all day and started to loose concentration. }

08 Jul 2015 22:07:08
I think he needs to work on he's speed over the first couple of yards . He tends to build up a head of steam . Playing in midfield and the breaking ball and all that . You need to be sharp over the first few yards . But he can be a top top player

08 Jul 2015 22:13:50
He is a powerful figure, should be used in the kind of attacking role we saw yaya play to exceptional standard. That would be my position for him and he can reach those heights i feel. If all goes well Liverpool will play 70 odd games thiscoming season. We will need everyone for that so he will get plenty of games.

{Ed030's Note - I don't think he's technically as god as Toure yet. }

08 Jul 2015 22:28:21
"I believe I can be a very important player in the future." :O Ed030 is Emre Can!!!!

08 Jul 2015 22:37:47
People should drop the emotions and watch footie a bit more clear. Can has kk positional sense whatsoever ever. He simply cannot read the game, nor understand what's in front of him and behind him.
He could improve in future which I believe he would.
He is good in the ball and has an attacking instinct,
A decent B2B player for me ATM.

Deep lying playmaker? You got be kidding me mate. That needs positional brilliance to be one.

08 Jul 2015 22:57:07
A decent box to box player who cannot read a game or understand what's in front of him or behind him but still has a good attacking instinct, despite not being able to understand what's in front of him and having no positional sense whatsoever. Your post is more confusing than informative.

09 Jul 2015 04:43:15
Back!

A lesser version of Vidal or Marchisio. Both wouldn't dictate the game. Both play alongside a top class DM / DLP.
And with Milner being assured central role along with Henderson neither are true holding players, Canhas ever chance to warm the bench a lot more than expected.

09 Jul 2015 08:10:03
Jack of all trades, master of none.

Feel sorry for him, but genuinely can't see him nailing down a regular start.

09 Jul 2015 11:48:04
If he doesn't lose some weight and gain some fitness then he won't do to much unfortunately.

That should be his target now, to lose some of the muscle 'as you can see he is carrying it around' and start running more.

He will still be 6foot and strong but ye has to much muscle at the moment.

09 Jul 2015 11:55:35
In answer to the original question - play him in midfield!

He's clearly a massive talent but he's not ready to be the DM in the PL.

I personally hope we play 4-2-3-1 because I think we have the players to make it work.

In which case he'd be one of the "2" although if we have Lucas sitting in certain games and switch it up to 4-3-3 Can can easily be a box to box midfielder alongside Hendo or Milner in advance of Lucas.

08 Jul 2015 20:22:34
If sterling stays and plays in the reserves , could they play some local ale house teams. They could be briefed that he really enjoys tackling and the physical aspects of the game and so don't hold back.

I would pay to watch that on LFCTV

08 Jul 2015 21:11:34
Why would wish the lad an injury. Grow up man

08 Jul 2015 23:33:36
My god it never ends.

I still fail to see what he's done that really is so disgraceful, i really don't care at all that he wants to leave, he is a human being after all.

And as is being reported today, if you had to play for that muppet, wouldn't you want to leave too?

08 Jul 2015 19:26:43
With our first preseason friendly next Tuesday against Thailand (ironic) Allstars, does anyone know a good source to see which friendlies (if any) will be televised on UK TV please? Love the preseason friendlies, sometimes it's the only time you can see the youngsters play lol.

{Ed030's Note - It will be on LFC TV, Argy. }

08 Jul 2015 19:33:46
Thanks mate, appreciate it :)

{Ed030's Note - No worries. }

08 Jul 2015 19:35:51
£5 and you can watch all the pre season games on LFC TV go

08 Jul 2015 15:04:13
Ed002

In your opinion. And you won't be held to it lol.

Do you think Sterling will be a Citeh player come Agust?

Do you think Benteke will be a Lfc player come August?

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to answer questions about timescales.}

08 Jul 2015 18:37:39
ok mate fair enough. If something isn't resolved with Sterling by Sunday do you see the club insisting he go's on the tour with the rest of the squad?

{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer such questions.}

08 Jul 2015 17:33:41
Nice to see Spurs aiming high with their new stadium not penny pinching! There's will be bigger than ours too what a joke 65k minimum is what we need why are we spending so much money only doing half a job? I already read all the other stuff like what the eds have said about the stadium but seriously pay the extra to make it bigger now while we're actually doing it or end up with 58k forever and be behind arsenal Chelsea (who will go bigger soon) Spurs city and utd why bother going bigger but yet not as big as our competitors? Next Everton will go bigger than us too

{Ed030's Note - As long as the players inside the stadium are playing well, I wouldn't worry. }

08 Jul 2015 18:07:31
Read ed001's comments about the stadium please. The initial expansion is 60k, beyond that the club and the council needs to improve rail and road links. This is being explored but realistically takes years due to the amount of planning, judicial reviews and financing etc.

08 Jul 2015 18:14:07
It seems like we're trying to catch up (although not quite) when all the others are going to still be ahead of us surely we should be looking to get an advantage on them rather than catch up but still be behind

08 Jul 2015 18:30:43
Sorry but 60k is a big stadium, arsenals is 60k if i remember rightly.

08 Jul 2015 18:45:53
Aye up got a fellow courteeners fan there. I've read everything the eds have said and it comes down to money pay for the roads etc what I'm saying is pay it do all the nessasarys to make it 65k plus

08 Jul 2015 18:54:30
With the magic pixie gold perhaps

08 Jul 2015 19:20:07
It's not as simple as money.
You need infrastructure. It's a logistical nightmare.

08 Jul 2015 19:55:45
Sam, there's a concept here that goes way beyond money that your not grasping mate.
If the work to improve the infrastructure is going on now, it may not even be too long after the work now is finished,
I'm no engineer but extending beyond 60K is not a simple money issue,

09 Jul 2015 00:30:29
Talking of the stadium. why will the new main stand not connect to the kop. surely it made sense to close the corners

08 Jul 2015 16:17:27
We can only hope that City still have the appetite to get the Sterling deal over the line quickly. This isn't good for our club or for Sterling.

Cut our losses and move on.

08 Jul 2015 16:25:46
Hello Eds and Reds.

PSG followed the advice of Eds,and signed a good player in Kevin Trapp.
Considering the fees payed by PSG and lack of real quality in goalkeeping these days,Liverpool should have signed him.It is a coup for PSG.
Sometimes being ruthless is good for the club.And on top of this we have an useless goalkeeping coach.

08 Jul 2015 16:50:57
Given the striker dilemma we are having currently. It seems Benteke is the likely choice who will be in red next season. Not my preferred choice but that's the similar debate going on here all the time. Either way, if he is red. Support him. But as abit of fun, who would your chosen striker be given you can have one, price tag irrelevant. Who would you choose. Likely names up there probably being:
Higuain
Benzema
Lacazette
Cavani
Benteke
Heskey

Who you choose? My preference being lacazette. Obvious reasons. But I like the hunger he has and he can actually score from
Outside the box and has great accuracy. With our style and energy. I think he could pop in at least 15 in his first season. That is if we play the high tempo high press style. But with Rodgers. Who knows.

08 Jul 2015 17:47:45
but no premier league experience!

08 Jul 2015 18:39:18
Lacazette too for me, although I would bring back God to help him acclimatise ;-)

08 Jul 2015 18:50:50
Lacazette is probably first choice just, but he's never played in PL so a worry he may not adapt.

For me Higuain due to him being the more experienced striker and played at a high level for longer than Lacazette. To be fair I'd take either one.

{Ed030's Note - I'd have Higuain, seen more of him than I have of Lacazatte and from what I have seen Higuain the better player, I'd also prefer Benzema over Lacazette. Both Higuain and Benzema would be a vast improvement on the current players while also not blocking the development of the youngsters. }

08 Jul 2015 20:07:08
I guess I was going for lacazette due to the way I seen him play. I like how he has an aggro and good strength. Plus, I do think he has a hunger for goals. Being very direct and driving at the goal. Higiuan I think would be top quality too and could fit but for some reason I don't think he would work just as well as versa. I wouldn't say no. He is world class. But I guess my judgement of hearing rumours of him for 3 years and 6 transfer windows. Put me off him a little now. Benzema would be amazing. I think he is one of the best strikers. From what I've seen. That is what I think lacazette can become. Only for his age, makes me choose the other. In terms of no pl experience. I think all three are technically good enough to cope and push them all to be better. As it's a faster game.
But if your short of experience. Get emile back. If your looking for a real eye waterer. He's your man.

08 Jul 2015 21:43:22
How in the name of sweet jeasus could you have heskey's name in there. Are you on crack or something.

{Ed030's Note - I think his name was added for a joke. }

08 Jul 2015 23:58:19
If price irrelevant Ronaldo f i r me

08 Jul 2015 15:21:29
Should Liverpool not simply say to Sterling, hand in a transfer request or go on tour with the rest of the squad?

would this not be the sensible position to take?

The whole saga has left a sour taste from both sides but if he doesn't see a future at liverpool then so be it, put your cards on table and everyone moves on. No need to spew hatred, players leave clubs all the time and are bar a few exceptions always replaceable.

{Ed030's Note - Sterling will have the option to buy out his contract next year. If Liverpool take this approach it may end up costing them an awful lot of money. }

08 Jul 2015 16:04:00
Very good point

08 Jul 2015 16:08:52
As much as I could gather from the Eds, the offer is thee on the table from city and its about the payment structure.
After today, I expect the clubs to workout on the deal.

08 Jul 2015 17:04:53
Sterling and Ward have all the Cards and are calling the shots, making the club look stupid. If it was me I'd call their bluff on buying out his contract next year. I would only let him play with the U21's , it will massively affect his chances of being selected for the Euro's, he will have had 6 months or whatever without first team football so could affect his development. No player is bigger than the club we should show this for once. I know we'd lose money but long term for the good of football shouldn't let Ward get his way.

08 Jul 2015 17:07:36
Surely a deal bewteen the 2 clubs will be reached at some point soon Eds?

08 Jul 2015 16:08:47
Cheers m8 i hope he does he could make a massive difference to our midfield because he has a real energy abt him and very good technique he just needs rogers to put a bit of faith in him

08 Jul 2015 16:19:35
Ed030, I've read on here about Webster's rule and respect what you guys refer to about potential loss of money. My question is, how many players (apart from Webster) have used Webster's rule? I understand that one player did try to force his move, he was found to be in breach of contract and his new club and he were ordered to pay substantial compensation to his previous club. As the Webster rule goes back to 2006, I would have thought we would have seen a few more instances of this type of transfer.

{Ed030's Note - It has been invoked a few times, I remember vaguely something regarding Zaragoza and Doneskt however I am not sure if anything ended up happening with regards to the webster ruling nor do I know how many players have went through this road. }

08 Jul 2015 15:29:11
Although many fans would like a new keeper, we're there actually any available we could have actually gone for. Cech wanted CL and was happy in London, most other keepers mentioned also wanted CL so surely Migs was the best choice and hopefully he keeps his form up

08 Jul 2015 16:48:23
Trapps just gone to PSG for under £10m. Absolute steal that.

08 Jul 2015 17:21:15
Begovic? Trapp? Casilla? Neto? They don't have to be WC, just slighty better than Mignolet. The competition would bring out the best in at least one of them. Bogdan, as a championship keeper, will probably be delighted to be with a club of this size and will be perfectly happy to sit on the bench.

08 Jul 2015 16:18:28
I beg(ovic) you to reconsider that statement.

08 Jul 2015 17:30:50
Arsenal - Cech
Utd - De Gea or Valdes
Chelsea - Cortois
Spurs - Lloris
City - Hart

And we have Mignolet
Its not even like we have a strong defence to help out.

08 Jul 2015 16:06:23
I'm sure there were plenty of younger keepers we could have gotten though, I know one of the Eds mentioned Trapp a while back, at least I think? Leno could be an option?

{Ed030's Note - Liverpool have already signed a goalkeeper. }

08 Jul 2015 19:58:00
Don't understand why you lot and the eds too aren't happy with the signing of bogdan. as a bolton based lfc fan I think I have more viewing time of the lad and I'll tell you this. mig better watch his no1 jersey because he won't have it for long. Bogdan can command his area and defence,just as good a shot stopper and mostly can distribute a ball. Mignolets distribution is the worst I've seen from a keeper. I give it a maximum of 2 months before bogdan is first choice. No doubt you'll disagree but then you probably never seen him play except from the game in cup last season against us

{Ed030's Note - I highly doubt it, from what I've seen of Bogdan he is country miles away from being premier league quality. Mignolet is not the best but he is certainly better than Bogdan. }

08 Jul 2015 14:53:59
Raheem Sterling, "I don't want to play for Rodgers!"

Is Pellegrini any better??

08 Jul 2015 16:07:28
Not really. Both plays the sand philosophy.

Pelli has Aguero with him who ll win them close to 30 points all alone which ll be enough to challenge for the title and moreover city ll be spending heavily this summer with some world class players coming in.

On the other hand BR had Suarez an year ago and Sterling was a happy man scoring 13 goals.

08 Jul 2015 16:42:53
Yeah, pellegrini is better.

08 Jul 2015 17:18:11
So because sly sport reports it then it must be true. Has any other outlet said this (and I don't mean just repeating what sly sports said). Just interested to know

08 Jul 2015 16:19:22
Substance over style vs style over substance?

08 Jul 2015 21:02:18
Pello has a PL. BR doesn`t even have a sausage to his name in his CV. Connect the dots!

08 Jul 2015 14:43:44
Oh to be a fly on the wall in this 'amicable 25-minute meeting' between Brendan Rodgers and Raheem Sterling yesterday.

Its a has become a massive problem! Embarrassing himself and the Club!

Should just get rid of him at any price!

08 Jul 2015 16:52:09
Get rid of both of them

08 Jul 2015 14:28:55
Love the fact that Origi turned up to training in a battered Mini. That is the mark of a lad who isn't a big time Charlie.

08 Jul 2015 14:56:29
Or a lad waiting on his first paycheck ;)

08 Jul 2015 16:19:52
Nothing wrong with a Mini

08 Jul 2015 18:10:19
You keep telling your mrs that Essex ;) haha

08 Jul 2015 14:05:44
We are all slagging Sterling off which I can understand but if he's not getting on with Rodgers and there is problems between them well maybe I can.
I've got a feeling if Rodgers weren't there he'd be fine with the likes of Ibe, Coutinho, Sturridge, Firmino,Origi, Ings and Hendrrson I think Sterling would enjoy playing in that Attacking unit,, I think there is more to this and probably we will find out in time.
Also these guys are his mates and good mates why would he want to move elsewhere, and no I don't thinks it's the money.

08 Jul 2015 14:22:47
Trust me, if someone offered your mates an extra £100k per week to move away from you, they wouldn't even stop to say goodbye.

Red Rum

08 Jul 2015 14:28:46
There is no excuse for the way Sterling and his agent have been getting on! Does his agent not get on with Rodgers either?

08 Jul 2015 14:36:29
Absolute nonsense. He's probably taking the advice of his Ahole agent and trying to force through his move to another club.

08 Jul 2015 14:47:01
There's basically two camps. If you're anti-Rodgers then it's his fault Sterling left. If you're not then this is just a PR stunt.

08 Jul 2015 14:57:01
Some mates you have Red-Rum!

08 Jul 2015 15:15:30
All that kn** head agent see's is £££ signs and the chance of a hefty percentage pay out which he won't get if Sterling stays. Sterling isn't stupid either and will be just as much after a nice pay out as the agent. Both of them are as bad as each other. Good riddance if you ask me and LFC should never do any business in the future involving that agent. Cash in and move on, I prefer Ibe to him anyway so no loss there.

08 Jul 2015 15:33:27
Or you could be in the camp that isn't blinkered muscatred and realise a problem exists with BR, Sterling and his agent. Not just one side or the other.

08 Jul 2015 14:50:14
If the truth is that he wants to leave because of his relationship with BR is the issue then why did his agent make his statement about him wanting to leave before the end of season review was concluded? BR could have been gone?

08 Jul 2015 14:50:44
The way I see it is that sterling isn't exactly the brightest spark and his agent is just an absolute d!ck who basically is trying to play puppet master

08 Jul 2015 16:13:46
Jeez Back! Calm down. I just did a massive post about how no one's faultless. My comment was about how we as fans react to the story. We believe what we want to believe. If you want Rodgers to be the villain then you'll believe Rodgers chased him out. If you dislike the kid then you'll write this off as a PR stunt. It's obviously more complicated than that but this accounts for how 90% of us feel.

08 Jul 2015 19:50:35
Something just doesn't seem right to me, I thought Sterling would be happy to develop with this young squad, but maybe I'm wrong, LFC is definitely the place he should be developing with even G.neville and other pros have said it.
If it is his decision to leave he is a total atsehole and not because I'm a biased red.
I could be wrong but I think Rodgers could have something to do with the situation also if he goes elsewhere he will be a benchwarmerno doubt about it.

08 Jul 2015 13:45:24
Maybe Raheem is genuinely ill? Let's give him the benefit of the doubt!

08 Jul 2015 13:02:29
With Sterling in the papers again I thought I'd share my 2 cents. Liverpool fans generally think he's toxic whilst other fans think he's the wounded party and wants to move to a bigger club. As ever with these things it's probably somewhere in the middle.

Sterling has a legitimate grievance with the club when they used the media to try and pressure him into signing a new contract. I also don't blame him for not putting in a transfer request, it's demonstrable that footballers get the moves they want without resorting to a formal request, Sterling doesn't have to be a martyr about this. Liverpool also regularly entice players from smaller clubs (Sterling himself is an example of this) so it's hypocritical of us to be angry when it happens to us.

But, Liverpool have been good to Sterling developing his game and accommodating his needs (take his mid-season break for example) so for him to play a wounded party is a bit rich. Sky's current piece from 'sources' supposedly is an insight to a closed door meeting on Monday between Sterling and Rodgers. I'm pretty sure Liverpool didn't leak any of this (it does them no favours) so it probably came from Sterling's camp. I can't help feeling that the 'Rodgers is the problem' line is designed to try and improve his image (we'll buy that Rodgers has ruined everything because it's what most fans want to believe).

As for 'it's in everyone's interest for Sterling not to go on tour', well that's bulls*it of the highest order. Whilst Sterling is in the employ of Liverpool FC he is to fulfil his footballing obligations and that means training with the first team wherever they are and staying professional. If Liverpool decide they are selling him then that changes but until an agreement is made with City or any other club he is a Liverpool player and is expected to be fully involved in Liverpool's activities.

He's going to leave, that much is obvious, and I'm gutted about that because he is a big talent and I think he can be successful wherever he plays. But he has not conducted himself with any class over the last few months. He could have told us straight that he wanted to leave and why, we would have been upset and angry but it would have been honourable. Instead he has made excuses, hidden behind his agent and tried to portray himself in the media as a simple lad who just wants to play football. He is anything but that, he is a very modern, self-entitled professional who sees football as a job first and a vocation second.

In three years time he may have more money and trophies than he would have ever won at Liverpool, he may be the star of the England team but I hope he doesn't succeed. I hope he finds out that he's missing the spark that turns a talent into a legend because I don't think he deserves it, bad guys shouldn't win.

08 Jul 2015 13:39:27
Completely agree, both parties have made errors but now Sterling is going on and this is changing a lot of peoples opinion of him!! I just hope Manchester City don't look at his attitude and decide they don't need that type of player in the dressing room!!

08 Jul 2015 13:48:10
I Agree that liverpool FC made mistakes but at least they have rectified them, Sterling has gone from bad to worse, his Egos so inflated its unreal, as i said earlier IBE will be a much better talent, so why bother wasting time worrying about sterling. Oh and Man city are not a bigger club!

08 Jul 2015 14:58:05
bwetty much and all as I don't like to admit it City challenge for the league consistently and feature in the Champions League regularly. You're kidding yourself if you don't think they are a bigger club.

08 Jul 2015 15:26:11
have to disagree their mate, sorry but fanbase for me shows liverpool are the bigger club, if we don't have success again soon maybe Man city will begin to claw up on us, but they are not a bigger club, they may have bigger cash reserves but they ain't a bigger club

08 Jul 2015 16:44:48
I don't think sterling or any player picks clubs based on how many fans they have. It's all about trophies, playing time, CL and most importantly money.

08 Jul 2015 17:40:45
bwetty please look at Mikeys response. These are the things that make a club a big club. You can't actually think we are a bigger draw purely because of the number of fans we have?

09 Jul 2015 07:30:10
ive seen it mate but if that's the case why is he not pinning to join the likes of galatasary who win the turkish league win domestic trophys and play CL every season.

08 Jul 2015 11:07:40
Question for ed001,

We spoke early last month about where we expected milner to play, both agreeing that he would probably play out wide. The addition of Clyne and Milner stating he has been told he would play centre obviously changes that.

My question is where are all these creative midfielders going to play? Do you think that Lallana, Coutinho, firmino, Ibe, Markovic, are all going to be happuy playing wide? With the exception of Ibe they all prefer to play more centrally and are arguably better in the centre too.

{Ed001's Note - I think we have a problem, we have a logjam in the centre and no one to play wide. I just can't see how it can work in the long term. Hopefully the better players will slowly take hold of the places and the ones that can't step up will get moved on.}

08 Jul 2015 13:59:35
Agree with Ed01, We got too many players for the same role, Aparently none are a typical CM nor a CDM. Both Milner and Henderson resembles me of two typical B2B players. While Can would be on the bench for lagre portion of the season.
We have only one genuine CDM who could be out this window.
Markovic might go for a loan and could be sold on a massive loss as well as Lallana.

08 Jul 2015 15:01:56
The way I see things our midfield would consist of Can, Henderson and Milner. Can and Milner have both been promised game time in the centre and Henderson is not really any good anywhere else.

So unless we play with a 5 man midfield and 1 up front this would mean a 433 with those aforementioned creative players being played in areas of the field where they are the least effective. Seems like bad management on all levels to have 5 first team players all in wasted positions.

08 Jul 2015 15:59:08
Nevada

You do realize apart from Lucas none are holding player. All the three you mentioned are poor defensively.
Rodgers ll regret assuring players on their positions.

08 Jul 2015 16:48:18
All midfield players will get game time due to squad rotation and changes in formation throughout the season. having so many attacking and creative midfielders will give us plenty of options. just need a quality striker to compliment them all now

08 Jul 2015 16:07:25
I think Brendan genuinely views Lallana as a winger as opposed to a 10 who can play wing, probably the same for Firminio. So as far as brendan is concerned we have firminio, lallana, ibe, and markovic. I'm not concerned about keeping players happy, with all the comps we are in rotation will be crucial. Everyon had a real lack of quality in depth last season, which screwed them with the Europa

08 Jul 2015 12:47:13
Sterling phoned in sick for today's training .This lad is a joke .let's hope city give us the 50 million.most reds want him go now

08 Jul 2015 12:58:36
Well its good he didn't hang arnd anywhere near training pretty sure that lads going to get assasinated soon if he's seen anywhere near

08 Jul 2015 13:16:06
I wonder what excuse he gave?

I wonder if he got his mum to call because he was to embarrassed to do it himself?

My favourite excuse I often use is this. "I'm sorry but I can't come in today because I'm really sick!"

"How sick are you?"

"Well, right now I'm in bed with my mother and sister!!"

08 Jul 2015 13:36:54
I know it will never happen but I would love to see Sterling play for reserves for the next two seasons (assuming he recovers from his illness).

Whatever happens from here on, his reputation has taken a massive dent. Most likely irrecoverable.

From a fan's point of view, I would have been gutted 12 months ago. But his heart hasn't been with Liverpool since then and his performances have declined as a result.

It's a shame but that's football I guess.

08 Jul 2015 13:49:08
Come on City, please make another bid asap so we can pack the lads bags. Shocking disloyalty and betrayal by weakening the clubs bargaining position. Feck off Raheem and good riddance. I hope he goes on a nitrous oxide bender, gets sacked by City and ends up in the Chinese Super League.

08 Jul 2015 14:00:33
Yeah, probably "sick" of listening to Rodgers' waffle and spiel!

Definitely conduct unbecoming that of a professional, conduct unbecoming of a player desperate to leave? . arguably not.

On the surface this would look a simple case of a young ill-advised and somewhat petulant player wanting to leave but I believe that this runs a lot deeper, with Rodgers (rather then the Club itself) being at the heart and root of the problem . and if the walls could speak I'm sure they would reveal that other players are unhappy and disenchanted with the "Enamelled one", a subject that from memory I think ED01 eluded to some time back.

The owners had the option to get rid of Rodgers but instead decided to "back" him and as such virtually ensured that Sterling would go (once someone offered a fee equivalent to their valuation) . their decision, and they (as well as us, the supporters) will have to live with it, only time will tell if it was the correct decision. as with time things move on, Sterling will, and so will the club, will I loose any sleep over it? (no not really, just disappointed Rodgers kept his job), as I'm sure Sterling definitely won't!

08 Jul 2015 12:43:19
Thoughts on the latest, Sterling calls in sick and doesn't report to training.

Games set and match to Ward and Sterling.

08 Jul 2015 12:56:39
They may have achieved what they wanted in forcing their way out of the club but have only tarnished their reputation in doing so. I think many clubs will think long and hard before doing any business with either of these two individuals again.

08 Jul 2015 13:40:06
Yeah they are forcing the move, but I'm sure this happens so much in football, less publicly, so I doubt it will put anyone off. If he's a player that can improve and win things for you youll sign regardless of baggage. See Suarez, Torres, Ibrahimovic, Plus countless more

08 Jul 2015 13:55:09
If he's a player that can improve and win things for you you'll sign regardless. And an example you use is Torres. Is that a joke? He has improved so much and helped clubs win so much since he left. Ridiculous example.

08 Jul 2015 15:33:53
Torres sulked and all but refused to play. At the time he was one of the best strikers in the league. Yeah he turned out a £50m flop, so might Raheem?
The example is fine, would anyone pay £50m to sign a flop or a player you'd expect to improve and help you win things? Torres was certainly that when he was with us. Think a little before just trying to slate.

08 Jul 2015 12:12:53
to me sterlings attitude stiks because he has been treated really good , he has had things the other players have not , like his little holiday which i'm sure he was still getting paid , instead of getting stuck in with the rest of his team mates he wanted to go on holiday and was given permission , he is not that much younger than the other players , so yea his attitude stinks if you see that he got treated very good by the club abd was allowed to go on holiday i'm sure the other players were made up that he was allowed to go on holiday while they had to stay and work hard to start winning games , to turn his back on the club after that shows what type of person he is , he is on the beach while the rest of the team are working on the traing pitch , he gets offered a very good contract by the club and does not like the fact BR says so to the press ,ok he falls out with BR over it such a big crime to say one of your stars has been offered a great contract , the club has not done anything to him but he wants to leave , well the sooner the better i say and yes jordan ibe is a better all round player who has the potential but also can play very well now , he needs the same game time as sterling got and we will see how much better he is than sterling , i hope man city come in with another offer for sterling because he is not worth the last offer they offered us , he will flop when he goes to another club

08 Jul 2015 11:09:30
Sky sports reporting - sterling wants to leave because of Rodgers.

08 Jul 2015 11:27:24
If this is true its becoming quite a worrying trend among players who leave the club all citing BR as a big problem.

08 Jul 2015 11:39:39
That being said, I can't wait for this little cretin to leave the club. He is a disgrace to LFC.

08 Jul 2015 11:44:53
@back - they're saying sterling told Rodgers this to his face yesterday.

08 Jul 2015 11:46:19
obviously that is nothing new , but the kid should know that is was rodgers who played him at least 30 games a season three seasons in a row . he would not have that many games at his age under any other manager in the premier league. So if he thinks he will be first starter at city and other big clubs it will be only because he is over-hyped and the moment he drops in form he will be dropped to the bench sulking and moaning replaced by a better player.
I just see a Shaun Wright Philips happening all over again

08 Jul 2015 11:50:50
@back - if this is the case - can most fans blame him for wanting to leave?. Most fans can't stand Rodgers either.

08 Jul 2015 12:03:24
I wish FSG would understand that THE problem is Rodgers.

Until he goes these pages will be busy with disappointment.

08 Jul 2015 12:05:46
starks if you've read my comments on here lately its no lie that I'm not Rodgers biggest fan at all. But that is no excuse for this whole debacle being played out in front of the media. Sterling may not want to play for Rodgers but there is no way he should be spouting this all to the media. He is treating us fans like mugs too insisting he is not about money all the time but refusing to hand in a transfer request because he would lose his 5%. There are plenty of fans on here who don't like Rodgers being questioned too!

08 Jul 2015 12:13:35
No one has the right to blame a player of moving out just like,welcome the incomings with open arms.
Its just the way you move out should be the concern.
there is DDG who in all honestly would love to move back to spain but seems very quite.

08 Jul 2015 12:38:22
Look there's nothing new with sterling saying this.

We all know Rodgers is the problem, the players all play out of position and they all look like they haven't got a clue what there supposed to be doing.

Some players speak out and some just get on with it, and unfortunately if things don't turn around this season and Rodgers stays at the helm then there will be more players following sterling out of the door.

08 Jul 2015 12:44:09
@Lavers if things don't turn around this season there is no chance of BR still being at the helm don't worry.

08 Jul 2015 13:23:14
Here we go again with the Rodgers hate. I mean, poor raheem only played in 52 games last season. How dare Rodgers give youth a chance and reward them with more game time.

Raheem needs to learn gratitude and respect. I understand that he wants to play in the champions league, I understand that he feels no emotional attachment to Liverpool and wants to further his career. Of course money is a major factor with every footballer, but he has gone below the belt by disrespecting the manager that gave him his chance and put so much faith in him.

Red Rum

08 Jul 2015 13:25:27
@back - liverpool supporters have no problem when players we want do it to their clubs!. didn't hear anyone complaining about lallana and lovren last season.

08 Jul 2015 13:53:06
How dare Rodgers give youth a chance. Red-Rum are you delusional he has never given youth a chance except for when he has had no other alternative, Sterling, Flanagan, Ibe. don't kid yourself into thinking Rodgers gives loads of youngsters a chance.
How much of this bullshit did Southampton put up with from Lallana and Lovren? Hiding behind agents, giving multiple made up excuses, airing everything to the press, calling in sick to avoid having to show up. Do you know either Lovren or Lallana's agents names? Didn't think so. Bet you know Sterlings agent though. that's the difference.

08 Jul 2015 14:25:11
lallana and lovren did exactly what sterling is doing - there's no difference - you're just blinded because its liverpool its happening to. and i don't need to know an agents name to hear about their actions!

08 Jul 2015 14:26:02
Back! Give it a rest mate. Where did I say loads?

Red Rum

08 Jul 2015 14:39:04
Back!

Id imagine that is the case, but in all honesty the board are stupid letting him even carry on for now.

Should have gone at the end off last season.

08 Jul 2015 14:54:45
Ok Red-Rum name some youth he's given a chance to? Kenny gave Sterling his go. Ibe and Flanagan were used due to there being no other alternative.
Some youth he did give a chance to- Brad Smith, played once out of position and never seen again. Joao Teixeira-Substitute appearance where he did well and never seen again.
Dont be fooled into thinking Rodgers gives youth a chance and come on here trying to fool other people into thinking the same.

Lavers I agree I wanted him gone but it doesn't look like he will be removed before the start of the season now.

Okay starks tell me about the actions of both of their agents last summer? I can tell you all about Sterlings. Yes both cases were players forcing their way out of the club but the circumstances are much different. This is the point. Prove me wrong.

08 Jul 2015 15:25:53
Ask a southampton fan - i'm sure they will be happy to tell you :). the difference only comes from your subjective thinking

08 Jul 2015 17:27:05
Rodgers hasn't given any youth a chance.

Sterling got more game time because we didn't get Kono and ibe only came back because the board again wouldn't buy in January.

The more Rodgers job goes under pressure the less chance you have of seeing any kids playing.

Send these kids to championship teams and let's see what there made of

08 Jul 2015 07:11:16
Morning Eds - just curious to know if managers ie Rodgers get team performance bonuses, so if the team do well in cups/Europe or finish in a good league position do they get paid extra?

I think their contracts should include a pay deduction if the team fails to meet beginning of season objectives or is this in place with any managers? - what do you think?

thanks

{Ed002's Note - It depends on their contracts.}

08 Jul 2015 04:31:36
Hello Eds and Reds.

Eds is the running of youth academy manadatory for the teams in EPL?

Since we are doing poorly in bringing in youth then are we not at loss with the costs of running youth academy?

Why does we fail to develope youngsters since in each transfer window we look for talents from other clubs?

Italian,Spanish clubs seem to do well in developing the potential youngsters into good players?
We poached coutinho from Inter,now this season we are looking for Kovacic.Is it the lack of experienced people to spot a talent?

Thanks

{Ed002's Note - Yes. There is an obligation on professional clubs to run a number of sides (I don't recall the detail) at U14, U16, youth, U21 or whatever.}

08 Jul 2015 08:52:01
While I rate sterling quite highly & believe he will prove to be quite a regular starter at citeh I think the 50m valuation we seem to have set seems a good price to get for him. He has had quite a few let's say stand offs with the club regarding contract negotiations and I don't believe they all him either but there is a massive gap to bridge between club & player. So I think if any club stump up the 50m we should gratefully accept wish him luck and move on. I have been pi $$ed off with advisors and at times the whole situation has made my blood Boil but we got to remember how many players WE HAVE signed who play similar sly tactics to engineer there move but still shower them with our love. Let's get the 50m & go buy top quality striker and finish above citeh this year eh??

08 Jul 2015 08:46:45
Hello ,

can sterling buy his contract next year ?

Thanks !

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

08 Jul 2015 11:58:46
Thank you !

08 Jul 2015 07:34:49
About time we got rid of $terling, and used him as bait for a top striker, jovetic!?

08 Jul 2015 07:12:06
More bad press coming this weekend for Sterling and his advisors to add the the recent bad press he has been receiving.

I'd ship him off to City for the best price possible and let them deal with his off the field problems.

08 Jul 2015 11:29:44
He won't have off field problems at City, see Suarez for how sinner turns to Saint when they get the move and ca$h they want.

08 Jul 2015 13:16:25
Not true Max, Suarez has threatened numerous clubs with legal action, it was his 'dream' to sign for Liverpool,

08 Jul 2015 06:43:21
Has Sterling been told to put in a transfer request if he wants out? Surely this is the standard process of a transfer.

08 Jul 2015 08:23:34
He wouldn't do that. Tbh I expect this deal would get completed in mts, once we have a deal for Benteke sorted out.

08 Jul 2015 01:50:30
United fan here, was wondering if any of you could comment about Sterling refusing to go on tour with you to Australia? The lad seems like a right problem and maybe £40 million should be taken now? He is not worth that so why hang on for more, when he is toxic to the squad?

08 Jul 2015 03:43:44
If city do come back with a third higher bid I think it will be accepted, his attitude stinks and we need rid before it starts to effect the team

08 Jul 2015 04:14:31
Because why not? Why not try and get the highest possible fee for him. But it's true, the runt needs to be kicked to the curb

08 Jul 2015 04:41:19
Sterlings gone, sooner the better for me. I hope the Glazers offer 60 mil :)

08 Jul 2015 05:58:44
Probably wantiing to clear 15mil on the Benteke deal so waiting for 47.5mil.

08 Jul 2015 06:13:31
Why does his attitude stink? Because he's annoyed with BR for talking about what a fabulous contract offer the club gave him thus leading to him getting called all sorts of ridiculous names? He's done himself no favors since, but the idiotic comments by his manager kicked off the whole mess to begin with.

08 Jul 2015 06:46:54
He has 2 yrs on his contract, City are super-rich,QPR are due a cut, we have 8 weeks left to sell him.

08 Jul 2015 08:25:47
There is nothing wrong if a player wants out from the club. Some fans need to grow up. We have bought 6 players and 9 last summer all wanted to leave their club.
Didn't lovern made a mess to force his move to Liverpool last summer?

{Ed001's Note - so did Lallana.}

08 Jul 2015 08:48:24
There's blame on all sides but the bottom line is there's something about Sterling that a lot of Liverpool fans don't like or identify with.

Rodgers should have straight batted questions about his contract but to be factually correct and say the club he represents has offered Sterling a fabulous contract is hardly a crime. He didn't mention 100k or any details for gods sake.

Saying Sterling is one of the best young players in Europe is also backed up by the fact that he's about to be sold for a ridiculous fee.

FSG could have sorted his contract off the back of finishing 2nd but the club gambled and have (with hindsight) misjudged things.

Sterling saw Suarez go, it was all on him up front, he gets abuse because he's struggling in a strange position and his agent gets into his ear saying LFC have disrespected him and we can both earn more cash by forcing a move.

Slightly unsavoury but a familiar football tale this one. Sell him, move on. He'll be viewed like Owen in years to come. Good player but little love for him.

08 Jul 2015 08:50:58
Agree with you ED01, When others force their way out to come to us, We slate their club with all possible excuses out there. When our players force their way out, We slag the player.
Not being bitter but after watching football through out my life, I could guarantee that Sterling would go on to become a top class player given they play him where he is deadly.

The overwelhming Love affair for Ibe from some fans make my laugh pretending we are perfectly all right.( let's hope he does )

08 Jul 2015 08:59:30
Boom

Sterling would have singed the deal ages ago, had Liverpool being comfortably inside the Top4 which we should have been.
I wouldn't balme the kid for wanting to move out only problem with the way he choose smiliar to the Club.

Lets face it, He has more chance to win the title with City than at Liverpool.

I remember two years ago exactly in this page, Sterling along with Suso and couple of others were in the bracket of ". future looking bright. " Liverpool players.

08 Jul 2015 09:38:24
Boom, if memory serves me correctly, I can't recall many, if any, Liverpool fans having a problem with Sterling until it became clear he wanted to move on. The way Liverpool fans are reacting to him, with the hate and vitriol, is simply typical of the modern day supporter.

08 Jul 2015 11:01:47
Brisbane - I agree with you to a certain extent. The real abuse only started with the greedy stuff but a lot of my mates have always thought there's something about him that you don't warm to. Lewis Hamilton's another one. Phil Taylor. The type of arrogance that gets kicked out of you in school in Merseyside.

08 Jul 2015 11:25:39
Why does his attitude stink? Because at this moment he is still under contract at Liverpool and we are still paying his wages so if we ask him to come on tour with us he should be coming on tour with us. If he wants to leave because he feels he is honestly above us then I accept that, I have no problem with the likes of suarez or alonso leaving as they deserved their moves, u hear about ibe cutting his holidays for extra shooting training then u see sterling being caught taking legal highs twice. He doesn't want to be at the club and his negative attitude towards the club will effect the other players if we keep him much longer

08 Jul 2015 12:07:13
Jowens560
Another season at WB role and you could see Ibe pushing for a move on a beter note and different manner.
Apart from Countinho I haven't seen a lot who genuinely love the Club ( don't shoot me ).

08 Jul 2015 00:43:19
Eds would you mind answering something I've wondered for a while now?

How long does it take to cascade information about incomings and outgoings from the top eg manager and owners down to the bottom level staff, players and media? How quickly would you say the average rumour gets out after the decision is made?

Where abouts are you guys if that is the case?
Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - it really depends on what it is and who you are. Players are way out of the loop usually now though. Staff within the club have strictures on what they can talk about nowadays under FSG.}

08 Jul 2015 01:10:08
Charlie Austin for £15m or Benteke for £32.5m?
I know what I'd be choosing and it's not the big lump of a target man.

Lacazette would be better option than them both IMO, but that's just wishful thinking.

08 Jul 2015 01:54:32
Agree Spasmith, Lacazette & Austin before Benteke.

08 Jul 2015 02:14:49
Ronaldo would be a better option too.

08 Jul 2015 03:25:01
So some people think that signing Ings as a free agent to be a squad player isn't good business because he hasn't got enough prem experience or isn't good enough etc yet think that austin is the player we need in our starting line up to get us back in the top 4? He is a good poacher yes, but he doesn't make runs he looks unfit and he has a bad knee injury waiting just around the corner. He isn't as fast as benteke and has nowhere near the physical prescence of benteke. Benteke is the first choice striker for Belgium who are ranked second in the world, yet austin doesn't even make the England squad. So for me austin is not good enough to lead our line and doesn't even compare to the "big lump of a target man". Austin is older yet only has one premier league season under his belt compared to the 3 that benteke has. Benteke may not be perfect for us, but his goal record at the top level is better imo and he also has international experience, so if we can get the price down a bit I think he could be a good buy I really do

08 Jul 2015 08:27:28
Lacazzate is a shoulder above both the players. I agree Benteke is a lot better than Austin.

08 Jul 2015 00:59:50
Nice squad shaping up once Benteke is complete. Some defensively minded players wouldn't go amiss between now and September is all.

Mignolet-Bogdan. Clyne-Wisdom. Moreno-Enqique's shadow. Skrtel (with a brain transplant)-Ilori-Toure. Sakho-Lovren. Can-Lucas. Henderson-Kovacic? Milner-Allen. Coutinho-Lallana. Firmino-Ibe-Markovic. Sturridge-Ings. Benteke-Origi.

Clear improvement on last season. Fingers crossed they gel a LOT better.

08 Jul 2015 07:56:38
You have to love the keyboard warriors on this site. If you disagree with what someone says then fine but at least explain your rationale behind it (unless they say something ridiculous like "we should sign Bobby Zamora"). Does one of the disagreers care to let us know which one of our signings isn't an upgrade on what we had last year?

08 Jul 2015 00:02:58
i don't know if these benteke rumours are true or not but there's one thing stopping me believing it , we had balo and lambert last season in our team and they hardley got used and the reason was that BR did nit use tactics to inlude these type of players , so there's no reason to think he will change the whole set up of the team and change the tactics just for one player who is not proven at the top level , so i doubt we will buy him unless BR is going to change his style of play , formation and tactics to suit benteke , also i thought we have done well in the transfer market up to benteke we needed to carry on getting the type of player that will inspire and lift the team and the fans like firmino did and to some degree milner , i am made up with the milner signing and i think he will prove to be the signing of the season in the prem

08 Jul 2015 07:58:41
Ffs mbrock, the eds have confirmed efforts are being made to buy him, he is the no1 target no debate. He is also far more mobile than lambert and quicker than people give him credit for.