Liverpool Banter Archive February 08 2016

08 Feb 2016 15:14:09
since FSG took control of the club over 5 years ago, they have slashed the wage bill, with the likes of Reina, Gerrard, Carragher, Torres, Kuyt, Maxi and Suarez all leaving to be replaced by much lower earners. I'd love to know the annual savings on the wage bill over this period, but it's clear to see that once that saving is offset against the sub-£25m transfer kitty FSG have provided every year, they haven't dug that deep into their own funds at all.
During the last 5 years, Liverpool's income has increased to stratospheric levels both from the increased TV money and from club-record sponsorship and commercial deals .

08 Feb 2016 23:35:47
And The team is now worth nothing. We have probably Coutinho who is worth around 30 mil.
Nobody would pay even 20 for anybody else imo.
We need a Klopp miracle, maybe get some German talent in.

08 Feb 2016 23:39:46
J, was your expectations that they was going to come into a club riddled with debt with zero guarantee of success and throw all of there previously earned money into it and have nothing left for the other businesses. It's like buying a car from a sales man. Your going to hear what you want from him buying the motor. When it all costs you money at a later date. He's looking for his next pound to be earnt.
They are business men looking to earn money from the purchase of the club. I have no doubt they craved success in their tenure and still do but for our reasons on top of their own financial gain.

Been said so much by the Ed's on this page. We're years behind others when we should of been doing what we are now when Moores had the club! He fleeced us. Hicks and Gillete were a shambles and FSG are looking to earn a decent profit from us with success along the way.

08 Feb 2016 23:45:45
Slashed the wage bill?

FY 2007, staff costs of £77.6M
FY 2008, staff costs of £89.7M
FY 2009, staff costs of £96.1M
FY 2010, staff costs of £114.3M
FY 2011, staff costs of £128.8M
FY 2012, staff costs of £109.2M (10 month FY)
FY 2013, staff costs of £130.8M
FY 2014, staff costs of £143.7M

I certainly notice a trend and it's not negative.

08 Feb 2016 23:57:27
Im not sure the wage bill is lower at all. Anyone with any figures?

09 Feb 2016 00:29:27
J, mate.

You do remember FSG owned the club when we bought Suarez, right? They didn't inherit him and his wages and then offloaded him to make a saving on the wage bill as your post would seem to imply.

In the current squad, Firmino, Benteke, Henderson, Sturridge and Milner are all reportedly on £100k or over basic wage. Not to mention that we have the biggest first team squad that I can remember us having. I'd say that offsets any wage savings made by previous high-earners leaving.

And BR spent £93m nett just in transfer fees in three years (loan fees, signing on fees, agent fees etc. would all have to be added on), so sub-£25m a year transfer kitty is also wrong.

I'm not going to even bother going into the whole part where they bought a club running at a massive ongoing loss.

09 Feb 2016 01:48:22
It's just another "fan" spewing nonsense at the owners that they completely made up just to sound smart. It's pathetic really. Do you moaners read nothing on the site? 1
Million pounds lost per week for the first 3 years? Is that not registering upstairs?

09 Feb 2016 02:12:11
So J, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the owners? I don't follow what you're trying say - maybe because I believe your figures, assumptions and reasoning are wide of the mark. Income may have gone up, but so too has the expenditure. It has been made apparent on this site on many occasions, just how much money is being spent and that quite a lot of it was unnecessary expenditure incurred to appease fans. The owners have not been thrifty at all - they have been wasteful, but at least you can't say they haven't been supportive.

09 Feb 2016 03:00:27
Ridiculous post based on nothing but assumptions. Show some numbers to back up your fantasy.

FSG are owners acting in the best interests of the club, which is trying to be profitable. Would have rather them did what happened to Malaga? Come in, spend loads of money on players, earn one year of champions league and then leave the club to rot?

So sick of the whining.

09 Feb 2016 04:05:31
if we start selling our players we have 100 million worth of players to sell not including coutinho, but including benteke.

09 Feb 2016 04:25:31
Happy to see other posters have debunked some of the patently false crap being slung at FSG.

I'm not the biggest fan of FSG, but all of these claims that they're sucking money out of LFC to subsidize the Redsox are total baloney.

Look, the ticket price rise was a huge mistake and they're already in the process of reviewing it and changing course. And, they literally just signed us Klopp a few months ago, the first truly world class manager we've had since Rafa.

It is one thing is insist that ticket price increases are pricing out segments of the traditional fan base-- a fair point-- but quite another to act like self-entitled ****s, making false claims about under-spending.

08 Feb 2016 21:00:08
Question for you ED002, with phrases like "sceptic fans" and "worse fans by a mile" etc or comments about flat caps and rattles, why do you bother to answer questions or edit on the Liverpool pages? You clearly despise Liverpool fans so I'm just failing to understand why you would waste your time on people you don't like? Cheers!

{Ed002's Note - I answer questions on the Liverpool page regarding transfers and general questions about the game. I certainly don't despise the fans I am simply being honest with my views. You come here simply to gather fodder to support the naive and child-like causes of the Spirit of Shankly - a group that seems determined to do nothing but damage the club - and oust the owners and the management. You will, no doubt, yet again get your way throwing the club in to further years of turmoil as you all strive toward the ultimate goal naive and child-like goal of club ownership (and the resultant complete destruction). If the folks really understood what the aim is I am sure they would see quite how septic some of the "fans" are.}

08 Feb 2016 22:40:48
Regardless of what ed02 says waro we are supporting what he or she says! .
Am sure ave seen posts from you relating to us proper fans and those so called fans. Don't get me wrong I understand your making a stand for the future of our kids grandkids or thinking of others as ed01 puts it. All in all this is looking like a huge attack on our owners who I generally believe have done nothing wrong.
In my opinion I believe these protests could of been done in a totally different way but hey that's my own opinion.
One thing I do know waro is that all the eds here put up with a lot of crap and abuse from our fans so you cannot blame them if they have some bad opinions of certain fans, abit like you and the owners or others that are running liverpool football club.
Waro what would you like ed02 to? Maybe just blank all us liverpool fans when asked questions. He repeatedly gets asked the same crap time and time agen so I wouldn't blame him if he did have an opinion of our fans although I believe he generally doesn't, but maybe just gets pissed of with some of the inebriated halfwits that don't seem to understand. Anyway a hope u achieve what you set out to, but let's lay of the owners.

08 Feb 2016 21:55:54
Well said 002.

08 Feb 2016 22:08:52
Insults again ED002, call it as you see it by all means, but name calling to make a point, you seem far more educated than that. I'm starting to think some us don't fit in with your capitalist ideology, and you use this as a platform to have a dig. I actually quite like you ed002 but sometimes I feel there's no need for the insults because we get your stance. Just wanted to get that off my chest. Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - I want to see Liverpool settle and do well, where as you and the waster in the Spirit of Shankly are celebrating the damage you are causing - hence the deletion of the other post you sent earlier. It is fundamentally wrong and I see no reason to be silent over the attempts of a group of radicalized individuals to deliberately damage Liverpool football club and then standby and watch you celebrate what you are doing. You don't come to the site for transfer news, you come to prey on the easily led. You are looking at causing turmoil here as you have done at the club - and you were clearly proud of it judging by your putrefactive post of celebration.}

08 Feb 2016 22:26:00
Well i for one want to see and hear points of views that i don't necessarily want to believe. I also find it strange Waro why you ask such a question now? You obviously don't like what you are reading, maybe a move to try and oust Ed002 from these pages? Maybe then you could brainwash more posters to your way of thinking? Its all about opinions Waro, you have to accept that, whether you like them or not.

08 Feb 2016 22:09:37
The club has damaged itself. Just listened to people who no a lot inside the club and sayin what a mess they've made of things . Someone said Ian Ayre cancelled the meeting today? And I think what a great job we done walkin out in Saturday . The media attention and the people who have backed us, media, players, ex players, other fans has been amazing . So big well done to all the fans who did .

09 Feb 2016 00:19:38
Waro how old are you why are you Been so childish and cyber bullying people into your way of thinking. ed02 is right this club needs stability and to be settled, Not to watch you celebrate when you tarnish this club, remember this is a banter and rumour site not a protest site for you to recruit for your protests.

09 Feb 2016 00:38:49
Ed002 might bash us a lot as fans but some of the posts I've seen on here can we honestly say he/ she is wrong? I for one however find it refreshing that an ed speaks thier mind such as ed001 and ed002 and says it how it is. i'd rather be told the truth about things as I am not in the know and like be educated by thier knowledge of how the club is being brought down or run by buffoons and imbeciles.

09 Feb 2016 00:38:49
Ed002 might bash us a lot as fans but some of the posts I've seen on here can we honestly say he/ she is wrong? I for one however find it refreshing that an ed speaks thier mind such as ed001 and ed002 and says it how it is. i'd rather be told the truth about things as I am not in the know and like be educated by thier knowledge of how the club is being brought down or run by buffoons and imbeciles.

09 Feb 2016 01:28:30
Leaving all the squabbling to one side for a minute:

IF the owners do intervene and do reverse the decision made by the club on the top price of tickets, I hope those who have labelled FSG mercenaries etc have the good grace to give them some credit.

I for one will, not because they have bowed to fan pressure, but because they are willing to accept when they might have made a misjudgement and are quick to act.

09 Feb 2016 02:24:58
correct and right edd 2. I've been visiting this site a long time now but less frequently as the time goes by, its so hard to read some of the stuff that these so called fans post. As u put it septic. I see klopp as a guy who wants to do his best owners that tbh guys just want the best for the club, there is no need for all the hate. I also think walking out of the game is a septic thing to do, if a protest is needed then do so at the office's or wherever the decisions are made because all you done really was walk out on our boys who by the way were on the verge of treating us to a comfortable win at home. Priorities first.

09 Feb 2016 03:11:42
Why are some so surprised by these initiatives? There are plenty of people who disapprove of the path the game of football is going down. Why should we continue to permit businesses to shape our lives and what we love? It's not as if said mentality's results in other areas justify unquestioning trust.

We all want success for the club because that is the only reward we wish for in return for our investments. Businesses don't operate on such principles and that is why we must be vigilant, inquisitive and bold. Let's be honest with ourselves, it's harder to reverse a bad decision after its effects than to stop it from happening in the first place.

On the subject of labels again, they have been used to incite irrational reactions from automatons since the advent of language. Only brainwashed people react predictably to them.

Keep posting Waro, there are those of us who agree with these efforts.

08 Feb 2016 20:15:27
Just a quick post on the prices of the tickets, me and my family are what's regarded by some as day trippers or tourists going to see a match, I live in Ireland and don't get to matches as often as I would like due mainly to the fortune it costs to get to a match, took my son to anfield last Feb to see the city match and we had an absolute ball but we could have had a week in Spain for what it cost with the Euro - sterling exchange rate, I work in an ordinary job myself and it took ages to save for it and had to pay over the odds for tickets but we just didn't have the choice, they where by the way worth every penny, a good majority of the people around me where in the same boat and would have paid what was asked just to be there, people will always pay the money to be at anfield regardless of the cost.

08 Feb 2016 20:29:36
And that's the reason why the prices have gone up.
Like it or not but it's simple supply and demand.
The club know they can fill the stadium pretty much despite the price of a ticket.
The owners would rather have a couple of million extra a year than care what the average fan (customer) wants.

{Ed001's Note - but they do not know any such thing. It was the reason they had to fire Rodgers, the seats were empty.}

08 Feb 2016 21:38:45
To be fair to ed001 there, I stopped going towards the end of BR time at the club.
So there was probably more.

08 Feb 2016 22:45:17
Good effort saving up and taking your son mate, i have never been to anfeild and will be having to save a fortune to go as i live in Australia but my son and i watch the home and away fans and have loads of respect for them spending there hard earned money on a ticket. My son and i will get there one day and enjoy a beer and banter along the way.

08 Feb 2016 21:39:03
Not sure I really follow, Ed001? Anfield has been at around 44k all league games this season?

{Ed001's Note - no it hasn't, attendances dropped just before Rodgers was sacked, there were a lot of empty seats.}

08 Feb 2016 18:34:47
I have backed this protest 100%, and I still back the owners too.

In fairness, they are still learning, but at times of desperation and frustration, then certain people or establishments must feel the wrath of supporters.

I know many Utd supporters who felt this anguish much earlier than ourselves.

What did they do?

They spewed their tickets and created a spin-off club.

On principle though, should it ever have come to that?

No!

And that is why we should express our frustrations in the only way we see as an effective protest, otherwise, they will simply ignore us, only for the season ticket of the loyal veterans to be swallowed up by some rich kid desperate to be part of something they will never fundamentally understand.

Harsh reality but true.

08 Feb 2016 20:24:05
But Football has changed. Gone are the days were players had to try pass the ball on pitch filled with mud.

Money has taken over the sport. The future generation of fans will not be those who wear a kit that is 30 years old. Unfortunately you have to move forward with the times otherwise you will be caught up in the past which majority of LFC fans still find themselves in which is quite sad.

FSG are not going to bend over for the fans. They do not have to whether we as fans like it or not. The day they sell the club will be the day we look back and see the good they actually did for this club by trying to create a sustainable future. All fair and well the ticket prices have pissed of many of those walked out at 77 minutes. It will be a case of either of either wasting your money by protesting and walking out at 77 minutes or having someone else take your seat who will be willing to cough up the money. Paying £77 and then walking out when the match is not even completed. You are just wasting your money anyway!

There is no way the situation is going to change unless the club has to worry about filling each and every seat at Anfield!

{Ed001's Note - they do have to, whatever crap may be spouted about the tickets always being sold, the truth is that they won't always be sold. The ground was half empty while Bodgers was in charge, that is why they acted.}

08 Feb 2016 20:39:30
Klopp might change that though mate. We all want the same thing, every fan, and that is to see this club lifting trophy after trophy like we did back in the days.

Going to take time to sort out this mess but even with a half filled stadium I do not think it will make FSG bend over. Having a half filled stadium hurts LFC, not FSG.

{Ed001's Note - how can anyone think that when they sacked Rodgers due to the stands emptying, not because of how crap he was?}

08 Feb 2016 20:50:54
But Rodgers is now in the past. Seeing a club win trophies attracts eyes. Appointing Klopp may well change things when you have to pay £77 to see your club at the top again.

FSG had no other option but to get rid of Rodgers as this club was going nowhere under his management.

{Ed001's Note - but you are missing the point, it shows how easily they could see crowds fall off if they are not careful. It is utter nonsense that the stands will be filled no matter what.}

08 Feb 2016 21:05:16
True but as the saying goes, you can take a horse to the water but cannot make it drink.

Once (and hopefully when) LFC start winning silverware again, seats will be filled which is surely what FSG are aiming at irrespective of ticket prices.

FSG will go to bed tonight, in fact every night hoping that their investment pays off. They are not going to sit and worry about individuals who are not willing to pay £77 to attend a match at Anfield. That is just the reality of the situation. You either pay it or watch the match on the tele at home or in the pub.

{Ed001's Note - why are you even bothering to comment? You are just ignoring facts, like that FSG have already admitted they are going to sit down and revisit the pricing for next season. So you are either ignorant, or just refusing to accept the truth that Anfield is not going to fill if they upset the fans. There are simply not enough day trippers, no matter how much some Liverpool fans kid on about the size of following, the money is not there for enough to come over every week to fill the ground. FSG know it. They have to keep a core of regular matchgoers or face seeing the stands look like a Man City home game.}

08 Feb 2016 21:21:16
I do not really follow the news so FSG revisiting ticket prices is new to me. Sorry about that. If that is the case then it actually shows that they do have some interest in the club and fans or customers as they would like to call us and hoping they stay on for longer than what they have planned for.

I do not think there can be any argument here that they have done more good than wrong for this club. Mistakes have been made but the club is in a much better position then what it was in recent times.

08 Feb 2016 17:58:18
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Afobe Fears Arsenal Title Collapse, Klopp Back At Work And Aston Villa Have Nothing To Lose Plus More

08 Feb 2016 16:56:37
If I could have a yarn in Klippertys ear I would tell him to sign Mahrez from Leicester, I think every Liverpool fan would be happy with him.

08 Feb 2016 17:41:07
Him and kante are class acts.

08 Feb 2016 18:16:15
And why not Reus?

08 Feb 2016 18:36:28
I don't think we need new players until we have a settled team set up. We need to get our current crop organised better, we need to improve our tactical approach.

Bringing new players into a failing team rarely works for more than a few games.

08 Feb 2016 19:55:35
Ron, it's not like we are going to be getting players until the summer. Nothing much will change from now until then, unless we wait 2 or 3 seasons we won't improve under the current crop. It's no mystery that we need a new spine to the team. A new goalkeeper, centre back, midfielder and striker are necessities in the summer. With a lot of players leaving.

I understand we need stability, but in order to advance we need better quality players who have played for big clubs in big occasions. No use getting the small fishes anymore because they don't have the mentality to step up, that's why we have failed so badly. If recruitment improves then I'd rather risk stability after 2-3 seasons. Some of this current crop couldn't cut it at other midtable teams. No use shinning turds.

08 Feb 2016 22:10:59
Ron, we don't need new players?
We've got no keeper. No goal scorer. the worst defence in the league. Nobody can cross the ball.
We've got James Milner on massive wages.
And Jordan Henderson is the captain?
Mate we need players.

08 Feb 2016 23:01:27
Read the full sentence dbol.

Obviously we need a new keeper but it seems the 5yr contract has put paid to that.
As for the outfield players I said we need a settled team set up.
Bringing in players doesn't organise the defence or change the tactics of the team on and off the ball.

The team's system of playing is the main problem, not individual levels of ability. Leicester is the proof.

08 Feb 2016 23:49:33
Ron, I can agree with you to the end of the season. But i'd be looking for players now mate.
We're 9th because the majority of players are Mid table quality.
Tell you what tho, We need to stop playing 6 center midfielders/ number 10 type players in the team Ron. Lucas, Can, Hendo, Milner, Lallana and Firmino shouldn't be starting all together.
I'd die for a proper exciting winger it's been years.

09 Feb 2016 01:16:19
I think the back 4 could improve 30% with some good coaching and a new keeper would improve us 20%.

We are definitely struggling in midfield and it's because we move the ball so slowly and have too many players congesting the midfield.

I'd like to see us go back to the diamond formation we were successful with 2yrs ago and I believe we have the players:

Holding : Can/ Lucas
CM : Hendo and Coutinho / Milner and Allen/ Lallana
Tip : Ibe/ Teixeira
Strikers : Firmino and Sturridge / Ings and Origi.

Next season we will have Grujic and hopefully Markovic back also.

08 Feb 2016 14:50:29
Question for Ed 1 if he's around.

You stated earlier today (or yesterday) that you expect the club to be sold to Chinese owners next (the way things are going) .

My question is: Do you think that a change of ownership could lead to us getting back to (or closer to) our glory days?

As an aside, do you think we could learn something from the way Leicester have conducted their transfers this year or is it purely because they got lucky and struck gold with Mahrez and Vardy's form?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed001's Note - it is impossible to say whether a change of ownership will help or hinder us, it really depends on if they get the right people on the football side in to help Klopp or not.

A lot can be learnt from Leicester, it is not luck, it is excellent scouting work, mostly Steve Walsh's doing, but we just need someone with a good eye like him to head up the scouting network.}

08 Feb 2016 15:58:40
A follow up question for you Ed01. Do you think a change of owners is needed?

{Ed001's Note - I would be happy for them to stay, if they start learning from their mistakes. Employ proper football people, rather than just divs like Comolli and Rodgers that just talk the talk while being utterly incapable of doing the job. If they see sense on this issue, then they would reunite the fans and club once more and it could be a recipe for great success.}

08 Feb 2016 16:07:32
I would keep the same owners and like Ed01 said add people who has a proven record in finding players which suit the manager and his system.

08 Feb 2016 16:17:14
Thanks for the reply Ed. Is there any evidence we are starting to make changes to our scouting?

{Ed002's Note - There have been significant changes already. The major changes have happened and it will be the occasional minor tweak hereafter.}

08 Feb 2016 16:33:49
Exactly Ed01. I think somehow it's a bit similar to the situations in some of other businesses or companies; they have good CEOs, GMs, Directors, but yet they employed bad leaders, supervisors, and managers. They weren't the ones who directly appointed these people, but decided on them based on recommendations and advices. It caused disharmony among the workers and the team members, underperforming, and ultimately causing the companies to further losses etc.

However, I have no idea how the club is being run by these owners. I just feel that they seems like a good one.

{Ed001's Note - sadly their lack of knowledge of the game is always going to be a problem. It is why they are constantly making the wrong appointments, as they do not know enough to say 'this guy talks crap' when they listen to Comolli or Brendan spout meaningless jargon. If they can get the right guy at the top of the tree, then he can sort out the wheat from the chaff and we will be fine.}

08 Feb 2016 16:35:03
I am available for the scouting job.

08 Feb 2016 17:08:14
Oh for another Geoff Twentyman Ed.

{Ed001's Note - if only! That man is the unsung hero of the club.}

08 Feb 2016 17:59:07
we need to buy players with a stronger mentality as well as talent. we have bought far to many softies. I never rated roy keanes playing ability but his arrogance and never say die attitude was brilliant. he even missed a cl final to make sure his team got through. I hope klopp can instill this in the younger players as a lot of the senior players are to old in the tooth to change. oh for another steve McMahon.

08 Feb 2016 15:15:46
Danny ward must be ripping his heart out at not getting a game. Ray Clemence must be laughing his head off.

08 Feb 2016 16:22:11
My blood boils every time I think about ending that loan deal. Pure stupidity comes to mind.

08 Feb 2016 18:24:25
It's getting silly this.

Do you not think the manager and his staff judge the player during training?

If he showed glimpses of being better than our current keeper, then they will play him. End of.

08 Feb 2016 19:07:35
I think klopps public support of mignolet and THAT 5 YEAR CONTRACT has made it difficult for klopp to dump migs. imo it would have been better if no deal had taken place and klopp had recalled ward and put him straight into the 1st team citing his Aberdeen form as the reason. as for trusting the staff is this the same staff we all think should be replaced?

08 Feb 2016 21:41:54
Davey that is a depressing thought have 3 bad keepers.

08 Feb 2016 14:35:22
Hey eds,
When is rossiter due back? And any updates on his contract?
Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - (a) Very soon. (b) Nope.}

08 Feb 2016 14:08:13
Hey lfc fans

Quick question to the edsssss

Seeing as Mr Rodgers has been talking a lot for the last two weeks

Is the club run purely to win on the pitch or is it run more like a business to make money commercially and behind the scenes etc?

{Ed001's Note - the latter.}

08 Feb 2016 15:20:50
But the owners will be aware that the latter improves if the former improves.

08 Feb 2016 15:41:27
Do the fans actually think FSG bought Liverpool solely to win games and trophies? This is big business, they bought the club to make money, and I think there is nothing wrong with that.

Had they spent money more wisely on transfers, managers, etc. We would probably be successful and the fans wouldn't be whining about every decision FSG makes.

08 Feb 2016 16:23:57
Well said manahawk.

08 Feb 2016 12:38:26
Hi guys,
This is probably one for Ed01. With the protest at Saturday's game, is that the start of sustained pressure on the owners in the sense that even if they were to back down on the ticket prices and offer a more reasonable price that this doesn't end here? Is this just the tipping point for fan's frustration and even if ticket prices are resolved it is now a case of using the ticket protest as a platform to force the owners to address all the issues such as the general running of the club and transfer policies etc? In your opinion, is there a way to settle this with the owners if necessary changes were to be put in place to develop and sustain growth and success for the club or is it a case of burnt bridges and the owners just needing to go at this point?
Cheers for any info you have, it just seems like this is a very critical time for the club and I'm just trying to understand the scale of the situation a bit better.

{Ed001's Note - no this is about broken promises regarding the ticket prices, the matchday fan just wants reasonable prices, for both home and away fans, as people seem to have forgotten how the away fans are fleeced too.}

08 Feb 2016 13:58:14
Short of FSG paying fans to attend games at Anfield nothing will placate Spirit of Shankly. They're run by hard left trade unionists and as ed002 says their goal is forcing out the owners. I'm sure they will have their wish soon and we can enjoy Massimo Cellino as lfc owner.

08 Feb 2016 14:58:56
They are also the same group that welcomed FSG with open arms after the Hicks and Gillette debacle.

08 Feb 2016 15:03:43
Nothing like distracting from the issue.

08 Feb 2016 12:07:02
Ok Ed001 mate regarding the on field issues what would be the first three that you would change if you could?

{Ed001's Note - Migs, Clyne and Moreno. With a keeper that useless, we will always concede as someone can just shoot and score every game. Clyne and Moreno are just hopeless defensively, neither cut out the crosses, neither offer anything other than decent pace.}

08 Feb 2016 12:51:47
So would you play Flanagan instead of Clyne and Smith instead of moreno?

08 Feb 2016 12:38:07
Again why was Wisdom never given a chance. What about staff wise? Would you be happy enough? Thanks for your replies Ed.

{Ed001's Note - Wisdom was just not rated by the staff at the time. Staff wise? John Achteberg has to be replaced, nice guy but he is simply not making any goalkeepers better.}

08 Feb 2016 13:27:08
Mignolet is the worst first choice keeper I have ever seen at the club, he doesn't appear to have any discernible footballing qualities, he is a poor shot stopper, he is poor in the air, poor on crosses, has poor positioning, has poor distribution and has poor distribution.

He is an immediate weak link that the opposition can exploit as there is an almost certainty that if you get a shot on target, it is likely to go in, that is how poor he is and the statistics back this up.

He was always this poor at Sunderland and I can't think for the life of me see what made us part with the thick end of £9m for him.

{Ed001's Note - oh come on that is not fair, he is not that good.....}

08 Feb 2016 13:29:05
Pace is nothing without end product.
Shame about Moreno and clyne I thought they had something about them.

08 Feb 2016 13:35:43
I definitely would, why not give the other lads a shot? Flanno and Smith have not put a foot wrong in any of the games they've played, Clyne and Moreno don't offer a lot going forward and zero defensively. Migs has cost us a lot of points, give Ward a go!

08 Feb 2016 15:47:50
There's nothing wrong with Clyne. We have not had a settled back 4 ever lately. I get the comments on some players but he'll be fine. Not everyone is world class at birth.

Moreno should play left wing with Smith at left back and Mignolet needs taking out of the team right now. Any player not performing needs dropping to up their game behind the scenes. If possible. If not sell him.

08 Feb 2016 17:28:02
But what qualifies moreno playing left wing? He has scored what, one goal and i can't remember the last time he created a goal for someone or put in a decent cross. He is even worse defensively as he is poor positionally, rash and wreckless. If real or any other spanish team came in for him i would snap their hand off. Smith is a more than adequate replacement as will gomez be next season.

07 Feb 2016 22:50:15
Ed01 and Ed02

Just for a bit of fun would love if you could answer this
Let's pretend Ed01 is Klopp
And Ed02 is Ian Ayre

No matter who's available or not in the footballing world
who would Klopp (Ed01) move on and bring in and please name your strongest 1st team lineup that you can come up with
Taking into account Ayre (Ed02) is involved in the selling and buying

Oh and there's no bias allowed for any current player and that includes Hendo etc
Not saying there is bias towards him or because he's El captain

So for our sanity what would the starting 11 be 1st game next season

Just to lighten the mood here as it's very grim at the moment considering everything that's happened recently.

{Ed001's Note - Ed02 is involved in the buying and selling? That would mean we would be stuck with all the ones in contract, as he would refuse to offload any in case they got offended by being considered unworthy ;-)

08 Feb 2016 12:34:03
Haha great reply 😂

Cheers for that mate.

08 Feb 2016 10:06:06
Hey ed02, I have a question for you, if you don't mind. The word "transition" has been flaunted around here quite often during BR's reign. I slowly started to appreciate your point - Rodgers' transitions happened way too often, involving a huge cost and a huge player turnover.
Now, you are often warning fans around here that if half the team is replaced once more during the summer (or the whole team, if you listen to some people), this would only lead to another period of instability.
I actually think that there is very good potential in this squad. I like most if not all of the players individually, and for me the problems stem mainly from some sort of misbalance in the entirety of the team, as well as some players either still developing (gods, Moreno, such potential, level your head lad), or not fitting with the Klopp style.
So, getting to the point - what is your prognosis? How will Klopp act in the summer? Will we have to brace for another "transition", or will he manage to avoid it, developing the existing potential with only a few additions?
Cheers!

{Ed002's Note - I expect that there will be a fair number of changes but the critical thing is to decide early what to do with the sheer mass of players the club has. What will happen with the likes of Markovic and Balotelli? Teixeira clearly has no future - will he move on? How will Grujic be used? Then you have the situation with the owners and the Spirit of Shankly effectively threatening the club now (the reality being they want the owners gone of course - and I guess only their Liverpudlian gang members invited to games).

08 Feb 2016 10:30:59
Ed02, Mate y don't you do a podcast on this? I mean your opinion on the whole saga? I would strongly recommend you mate.

{Ed002's Note - It would be an interesting thing to Harry but I will keep my podcast plans as they are.}

08 Feb 2016 10:54:58
I ll wait to hear from you mate. Add the Ticket pricing and ABUSE towards owners in the list.

08 Feb 2016 11:13:31
Don't usually agree with ed002 but it is spot on about Spirit of Shankly holding the club to ransom. They did the same - or tried to - when one of their number was banned for abusing a disabled fan and they're doing the same now. It is about pushing out the American owners and their desire for influence.

08 Feb 2016 11:35:35
I still think £77 for a ticket is ridiculous though.

{Ed001's Note - because it is ridiculous. You have to have more money than sense to not think that way.}

08 Feb 2016 12:03:10
When businesses show no consideration for people then we the people have the right and obligation to pool our voices and take collective action so as to alter the situation. This method has worked successfully in the past and is one of the reasons we have Juergen Klopp as our manager.

Labeling people making an effort to the benefit of all of the club's supporters as gang members does not discredit them nor their efforts, it simply indicates that businesses and business minded people would rather have automaton customers rather than having to cater to (free thinking) people. FSG should be as patient as the supporters, who have been investing their hard earned money into the club for much longer, for their return. The club will be successful in the long term and we need owners who are in it for as long and who share in our love for the club and the game.

Lastly, we should not be scared into submission as the club has no shackles from which FSG can pick it up and walk away with it. Liverpool was built and is sustained by the love of supporters for the sport and the city, not as an investment option for money men. Real power as always is in the hands of we the people and there it shall remain unless we surrender it.

08 Feb 2016 12:23:35
I think this topic of conversation is getting a bit tiresome now. We are all interested in supporting our team, turning on each other doesn't help. SoS have done a lot of good in trying to help travelling fans and the local residence around Anfield. It's not just a group of militant Liverpudlians flexing their muscles, they have groups in London Norway Ireland Sweden. I am not a member, but I am not against them voicing there opinion. I am a season ticket holder in the main stand and I stayed in my seat. Nobody who walked out on 77minutes abused me for not following them.

08 Feb 2016 12:46:01
Purely because there American, I'm xenophobic don't you know. Keep it coming with the propaganda toward SOS, it's embarrassing really, when all else fails look to demonise a section of society so everyone takes there eyes of the real villains who operate in the shadows, it's as old as the pyramids, luckily some of us aren't so stupid.

08 Feb 2016 13:05:39
Ed02, Could we have seperate page for Waro, Very much like Macca rumors?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

08 Feb 2016 08:54:40
Morning Eds and Reds,

Eds just wanted to pick your brain a bit,

In your opinion what do you think Klopp is thinking at the moment?

1. Do you reckon he new the magnitude of the job when he took it, As in do you think he thought it would be easier then it has been so far?

2. Do you think the league is still a priority for him or do you reckon he is just concentrating on the cups and just writing of this season?

3. What do you think his plans will be this summer? Judging on recent performance there is only maybe 1/ 2 players i would keep personally, Do you reckon there will be a massive clearout and restart all over again, using the funds of sales and whatever budget is there to rebuild or just add 1 or 2 quality players?

I know its impossible to know for sure in this moment ;-) but I just wanted your opinion of what you think would happen,
Thanks in advance for any answers you can give.

Dev.

{Ed002's Note - The latest news about Klipperty is that he is in bed recovering, eating porridge and is having the hair on the soles of his feet combed. Tough to know what he is thinking. (1) The expectations of the fans was that he was the superhero who would come in and win every game from get go. The reality is that he is a good manager who won a few things a number of years ago but is far from what the fans elevate him to be. So much of the "magnitude" is down to unrealistic expectations not being met. (2) If every game is not a priority then he has to go immediately. (3) He came in to work with the players at the club and within the structure the club has in place. There will be changes in the summer but they are not going to replace all 40 first team players the club has on the books.}

08 Feb 2016 09:35:34
Thanks for the reply ed,

I have to say i agree, Many people seen Klopp as the mesiah who would save us all, the reality is while he maybe a better manager then rodgers he isn't a miracle worker and can only work with what he has, that said will he be sitting down in 4 years times with a premier league trophy who knows.
Who would have thought leicester would be where they are now?

Regarding point 2 ed, I get what your saying i guess i was just hoping there was some reason why our league form has been so bad, I know this goes against what i just said, but i can't help feeling if rodgers was still in charge we would be further up the table, i'm only 25 but in those years of watching liverpool this has to be the worst I've seen any liverpool team play and our league form reflects that even if the cup competitions dont.

{Ed002's Note - In four years time Klipperty will be sitting down to a mid morning snack in Munich.}

08 Feb 2016 09:51:16
Well said ed it really is about fans expectations, i mean a football supporter always wants there team to do well and i never want Liverpool to lose but over the years ill learnt not to expect so much and more about supporting the players and club at whatever position we may be in. love this game,90 mins can bring out every emotion i have.

08 Feb 2016 10:25:51
We are the only set of supporters in this universe who write off the league as early as december to suit their own ridiculous exuses. No wonder y we are called " Next year is our year. "
There are 15 games left and how about trying to get 45 points in those?

08 Feb 2016 10:34:43
Ed02, in 2 replies in quick succession (see below) you seem to doubt Klipperty, as you call him, by saying he is a "good" manager yet seem certain he will be at Bayern in 4 years. I know you don't mention Bayern but it's obvious that's what you mean.
Don't you think Bayern will be looking for something better than a good manager?

"The reality is that he is a good manager who won a few things a number of years ago but is far from what the fans elevate him to be".

"In four years time Klipperty will be sitting down to a mid morning snack in Munich".

{Ed002's Note - What do you see as being incorrect there? Klipperty is indeed a good manager. Klipperty did win some trophys a few years ago. Bayern did want Klipperty for this coming summer but Guardiola screwed them around. Bayern will return for Klipperty in 2019. Or are you just saying Klipperty is not good enough for Bayern Munich.}

08 Feb 2016 11:02:49
You can barely plan for next week in football so goodness knows how you can forsee something happening in 4 years. A lot can happen within that time. You may find ‘Klipperty’ in Beijing at the Bombay Banquet in 4 years time tucking into a little Hoisin Duck. Who knows, maybe Thomas Tuchel will get the nod from Bayern? Maybe Brendan Rodgers? Graeme Souness even?

08 Feb 2016 10:57:16
Incorrect, where did I mention that Ed? You described Klopp as a good manager, I asked don't you think Bayern would aim higher than good? I have yet to give my opinion on Klopp at Liverpool never mind at Bayern.

08 Feb 2016 11:02:49
You can barely plan for next week in football so goodness knows how you can forsee something happening in 4 years. A lot can happen within that time. You may find ‘Klipperty’ in Beijing at the Bombay Banquet in 4 years time tucking into a little Hoisin Duck. Who knows, maybe Thomas Tuchel will get the nod from Bayern? Maybe Brendan Rodgers? Graeme Souness even?

{Ed002's Note - You let me know if it doesn't happen then.}

08 Feb 2016 11:25:09
Not out to hunt you down or prove you wrong. You’re a intelligent person, I think you know what my point is.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what your point is. Sorry.}

08 Feb 2016 11:30:39
"In four years time Klipperty will be sitting down to a mid morning snack in Munich" 😆

Will Kirikou be his guest after he's just taken WDS for a walk? You crack me up Ed 😂.

{Ed002's Note - #WonderDogSparky has never been taken for a walk.}

08 Feb 2016 11:38:33
I think he has been taken for a ride though Ed 😂.

07 Feb 2016 23:01:46
Ed's 001 or 002 do you think this ticket price furore is the straw that will break the back of FSG and will force them To sell up? If so when do you think they will look to sell and what part of the world do you think the interested party would likely to hail from?

{Ed001's Note - next year, probably China the way things are going.}

08 Feb 2016 04:43:19
Red army, red army, red army!

08 Feb 2016 06:12:24
Would not mind new owners even if they are from China. They should be ambitious and actually care about football as first priority, and not building a business model ahead of trophies and success. Ed002 has mentioned about being wary about new owners, but it is a shake up that the club desperately needs. FSG clearly do not know enough about football to take the club forward, and the people they have appointed to run the club have failed miserably right. Once the stadium upgrade is done, FSG will sell imo.

08 Feb 2016 08:37:35
Crap that is Indian. This has nohitng to do with Ambition. You were here all year wanting a new manager and they got you one of the best. FSG have spend nearly 300 mill and we still couldn't win a tea cup.

The club cannot over spend nor spend more than what it earns. No billionare could save any club unless its start winning.

Your previous managers wasted money to suit their own ridiculous arguments and now the fans call them greedy persons inside the stadium.

What a club we have become lately.

08 Feb 2016 08:43:58
I completely disagree. wouldn't trust the chinese owners. Everyone was made up kenny huang was interested in buying the club and look what the eds told us about him.

I know you can't tar them all with the same brush but i think they may have a different mentality to arabic owners, who want to buy the clubs as their toys.

08 Feb 2016 09:16:45
Ed,

If the club where to sell up, would you expect there to be some sort of clearout from the boardroom? i. e ayre?

{Ed002's Note - Possibly - what is you problem with Mr Ayre?}

08 Feb 2016 09:46:40
£77, really?

{Ed002's Note - What does that mean? Why do you hold Mr Ayre respoinsible for a rise in the ticket prices? Are you a lemming? Are you going to honest and say taht it is not about ticket prices but the desire to see the owners move on?}

08 Feb 2016 10:28:13
Anonymous how can you say you "wouldn't trust" Chinese owners when you don't have a clue who they may (or more likely) may not be?

08 Feb 2016 12:14:47
Im saying the mentality and goals of virtually all chinese businessmen and women seem to be the same and the implications are worrying not just for football, but every venture they enter.

If you're worrying about the club being taken away from the fans now, i can see it getting a lot worse under owners from the far east. Everything is just an asset to them.