Liverpool Banter Archive October 07 2017

 

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07 Oct 2017 23:39:23
Any one here from Florida? Or do any of y'all know a place in Florida that has a Liverpool fan based spot? Bar, restaurant, club, etc.

Believable1 Unbelievable0

08 Oct 2017 01:08:36
Florida Reds at the “Fox and Hounds” 4812 N. Dixie Highway, Oakland Park.


08 Oct 2017 03:05:49
Lived in South fla for 10 years, West Palm Beach to be precise, never found anything. Due to cultural factors it's 99% real and Barca.


08 Oct 2017 03:20:31
Thanks for the reply Corleone! And unfortunately yeah, Florida had a lot of Barcelona and Real fans.


08 Oct 2017 07:30:19
Beeen to Florida (Miami North and South Beach) several times (was there in June) and bro, it is raining Real and Barcelona fans.


09 Oct 2017 13:55:15
Most of the world is raining Real and Barcelona fans.


07 Oct 2017 14:47:52
Hey Ed001,
What are your views on Kamil Grabara, our u21 stopper. He looks to be among the finest keeping talents, from what I have seen of him.
Do you thnk he could benefit from a loan spell at this stage in his career?
Thanks and keep up the good work.

Believable1 Unbelievable0

{Ed001's Note - he does look a very good young keeper, but he needs to get some games, so the right loan would help. Preferably a higher level than say League 1, such as Eredivise or somewhere.}

07 Oct 2017 17:45:46
I like his name, perfect for a keeper 😎.


07 Oct 2017 20:52:26
Just a pity our record with keepers lately isn't great.


08 Oct 2017 00:26:00
Our record with keepers?
Not getting the point there Barry, can you elaborate, interested on your view.


08 Oct 2017 08:55:51
Ron: Kamil? Sounds a bit girlie.


08 Oct 2017 09:56:01
Zeddicus, Ron meant Grabara. If he can grab the ball better than Migs under pressure, Im all for giving the kid a chance.


08 Oct 2017 12:23:25
Don't make fun of Kamil's name.
He might get the hump.


07 Oct 2017 11:41:47
How many times do you think we'll hear the phrase 'park the bus' before next Saturday?

Believable3 Unbelievable0

07 Oct 2017 13:09:33
Thing is, they won't do that next weekend. They'll come for our necks.


07 Oct 2017 13:09:56
A lot less than after Saturday if the result don’t go our way.


07 Oct 2017 21:27:36
They'll attack from the off, hoping for an early goal, then sit back and soak up the pressure.

If they get the early goal we'll have no chance.


07 Oct 2017 23:58:28
Could really change our season if we beat them. I think if we don't score in the first twenty minutes it could get quite difficult. I think we are as good as them and we tend to raise our game against the top sides.


08 Oct 2017 07:33:24
There are really no ways of reading into these types of games as to what may happen or not. IMO, I think Mou will not resist the notion to sit deep at least in the first 20 minutes to see how things shake down and then see what happens from there. It's who he is and what he does. In our situation right now, I would take a point and then move on from there vs Spurs who we generally do well against. Just my take.


08 Oct 2017 10:06:10
Following bingo's comment. We all know what mourinho is like. I also see him settings the team up to sit deep and take our pressure in the early stages and maybe get a break for lukaku to jump on. I just hope our boys can handle him and with the way he is in form right now. What I think we need to do, is try to play freely but open the play and wait patiently for a gap, not go too early. But hopefully klopp will have a plan.


08 Oct 2017 13:35:32
I hope so too, SI09.


09 Oct 2017 14:00:32
United won't park the bus until they are at least 2 goals clear. With pace on the wings and Lukaku's conversion rate in the centre, why risk and open game when they will get multiple chances by keeping their defence tight? We have to be ready to expose the lack of pace in their CB's and our CB's have to be paying attention to their goal scoring threats which are not far from ours, and in much better form.


07 Oct 2017 09:16:54
Klopp this season

All competitions: P12, W5, D5, L2

Lets break it up

CL: P4. W2, D2

EPL: P7, W3, D3, L1

LC: P1, L1

Obviously a win vs Newcastle would have been a massive boost but it is the situation really that bad to start calling for Klopp's head?

Believable12 Unbelievable2

07 Oct 2017 09:44:05
Exactly mate, good post, I don't understand people calling for his head all the time, its quite ridiculous really, it's not as if we're Everton. If we was then I'd be calling for the managers head but we're not. I'm not too concerned, I am hopeful of a win against utd but would take a draw, we'll be fine, Klopp will do a good job here, he has his flaws but what manager doesn't?


07 Oct 2017 10:55:31
Max, how dare you post such common sense proven by statistics and facts on this board? Don't you know that the sky is falling and Klopp is a complete failure and needs to be sacked and Moyes needs to take the job, based on the facts you just demonstrated? The nerve of you.

Corleone, are you drinking the same kool-aid, mate? Don't you know that the rules are different when judging Klopp? Don't you know that to some on here and they know who they are, Klopp should have won the PL by now (whatever the heck that means) and is not allowed to make mistakes, learn from them and improve? You guys are just Klopp apologists and need to sit down and be quiet and stop making excuses for the "failure" of a manager.


07 Oct 2017 12:10:59
No-one should be calling for his head IMO but let's be honest, that's a poor start to the season whichever way you fudge it.


07 Oct 2017 13:07:29
I disagree, Ron. It is not as poor a start to the season as many think and the numbers prove that. Could it have been better? Absolutely and that is the frustration. We've taken 7 points from 9 at home. 5 points from 12 on the road (could definitely have been more and I agree on that) . Qualified for CL at a canter, smashing the team many thought was the hardest draw and have recorded 2 losses in 13 in all comps.

Again, many may have expected more and I agree with that and this is why people think it is a poor start BUT the numbers do not support that. I do agree with you that it could definitely have been better as the opportunities were there to improve on these returns BUT that's football with all the frustrations that come with it. Just my opinion.


07 Oct 2017 13:54:44
we need to start winning games. Do a breakdown since the previous International Break, disaster.


07 Oct 2017 14:09:19
Agree with Ron. Nobody should be calling for his head yes he makes mistakes but name me a manager that doesn't. It has been an okay start of the season. The 2 draws against Watford and in particular burnely at home were very disappointing. There is still plenty of time to turn things around and a transfer window also to hopefully get a few key players in key areas to get us through to the summer. For me top 4 is a must this season or season has been a failure and unfortunately then whether we like it or not klopp will be under serious pressure.


07 Oct 2017 14:14:24
Less than 50% win rate with our ambition and the opposition we've faced is a bad start, no two ways about it.


07 Oct 2017 17:35:39
Both Burnley and Watford have put in some great performances already this season and have earned their points, should we have done better against them with all the chances we created _ yes probably, but the EPL average standard is going up every yr, this isn't top trumps.
There are 3 teams too close to call for favourite to win the league, and three outsiders (ourselves included ) with a outside chance, how many leagues are so competitive, buckle up and enjoy the ride.
To anyone who thinks there's a manager / owner who can wave a magic money wand and we'll break into the top level just look at the fortunes of what we're up against, we're doing ok, keeper, cbs next upgrades and maybe next season it'll be 4 teams too close to call, that's our best hope.


07 Oct 2017 21:05:46
We started the season with 1 draw and 4 wins on the trot in all competitions until the loss vs City. We have Europe to contend with too this season so not going to be as simple as last season.

Biggest thing for me is Klopp has to now settle on his strongest starting eleven. Chopping and changing like he has not going to make things easier.


07 Oct 2017 21:34:38
We've shipped 20 goals in all competitions and it's only early October.

I love Klopp but we will win nothing unless we sort out the defence.


08 Oct 2017 00:02:05
Our expectations were high this summer and we haven't lived up to that expectation yet. It hasn't been a great start but it hasn't been poor either. We have played well at times.


08 Oct 2017 00:41:09
True Drogie, we all know the defence is the biggest problem. That's what I'm waiting for to get solved, if Klopp gets the defence sorted I think we'll be a real threat to ANY team. The way we do our transfer business though, I don't find it as simple as it sounds, see to us all, the perfect scenario would be for us to bring in a couple of good CB's but will we do that? I can't see it I really can't - they are hard to come by these days, our defending is terrible but it's not just ours and that's what people need to understand more of, what team has incredible defending these days? I can't think of one.

There's a lot better then ours but not exactly unbelievable, every teams defence needs improvement no matter what team you look at. We need reinforcements that's for sure but it won't solve the problem overnight.

We're in the toughest league in Europe, with top quality teams spending money left right and center, to me it's not about money it's about quality look at Mane, Salah, Coutinho to mention just a few, all of which was bargains. If only we can get a few good bargains on some defenders we'd be laughing. Matter of time in my opinion, but Klopp deserves respect/ patience. He isn't a magician, we need to get behind him and the team no matter what happens this season and give them the time to get things sorted out.

Apart from our attacking midfielders we have a very average squad with such a defence, until that is sorted we aren't going anywhere but we're used to this so it's no big deal in my opinion, onwards and upwards? I don't feel like we're going backwards, I feel Klopp is taking us forward, if I'm wrong then fair enough but I think he has his plans and I fully believe in him.


08 Oct 2017 07:46:35
Klopp is taking us forward, no doubt as the numbers prove that. Could we be further ahead of the curve now? Of course BUT this is the real world where things are not black and white and magic wands cannot be used to just make what you want happen. We don't have City, Utd and Chelsea money to spend at will, Fact. What we do have is a manager who is a builder and who the owners have backed completely. If we wanna win the PL, we will have to actually build from the ground up and show improvement every season under Klopp with CL footie and then, mount a real challenge.

That is exactly what Poch is doing at Spurs and has still won nothing in his 4th season. Why aren't the Spurs fans calling for his head? Cos they are not stupid and they know where they were when he got there with mess AVB and Dim Sherwood left there before Poch came to them. BUT after two years, some of our fans want Klopp gone cos he did not win the PL fast enough for them. Yeah, these are the people we have to deal with.

Bottom line is that we are going to have to learn how to walk before we run and that is what Klopp is trying to do and that may be poison for some fans BUT we've waited for 27 years for the PL so what will another few years of waiting change? Up the Pool!


08 Oct 2017 07:47:01
On another note, Great posts on this thread. I just love it, with people posting some really sensible stuff laced with objectivity, perspective and offering real solutions to real problems. Bravo, lads.


08 Oct 2017 08:35:51
Well said Bingo, couldn't agree more mate.


08 Oct 2017 13:18:11
10 league games, then you assess how the season is looking.


06 Oct 2017 23:33:45
England stroll to another tournament where inevitably they'll crash out in a blaze of disappointment. Anybody think if they weren't seeded so high for a tournament they'd spend two years preparing properly for competitive football and be a little more of a force? Perhaps facing real quality international teams during the qualifiers would increase the national interest as well- maybe I'm getting old but growing up in the eighties and nineties there was a far greater interest in international football. Now, I'm Irish so I don't really mind and getting to the tournament is a major lift for the entire country but for the English fans who crave a big tournament win it might be something to think on.

Believable5 Unbelievable1

07 Oct 2017 10:30:24
The thing is England are just not that good, we are probably a second tier team so have only a small chance of ever winning a tournament.
The media whips the whole country into a frenzy as well so everyone has unrealistic expectations.


07 Oct 2017 10:57:50
England will screw up the same way they have done since Euro 96. That is the simple fact. Pretty sure that the way England was embarrassed at the last Euros is not the lowest it can get to (tho they did not make it out of the group in Brazil either but I digress) . I am pretty confident that they can get lower than that.


07 Oct 2017 12:19:35
I think when you are never challenged it's easy to settle for mediocrity until a tournament shows up and sucker punches you. South Americans have amazing competition over the qualifiers. Not to mention the copa America format. I think Ireland n Ireland and Wales performed well at last euros because they'd killed themselves trying to qualify and kept that mentality going into the tournament. I think as long as England don't have to battle Portugal France Spain Holland or Belgium etc for one spot, they'll never get out of first gear and crumble under the expectation.


07 Oct 2017 12:20:03
England has had one good manager in 25 years and that was Terry Venables.

Managing England is not like managing a club side. You have to be tactically astute but we've had managers like that. The other thing that hardly any England manager realises is the pressure the players are under. Venables realised it and Bobby Robson did too. Foreign managers don't get it. Non-foreign managers (English) don't know how to deal with it because they're not very good.

Spain suffered for decades with the same problem. Venables solved it with a master stroke before euro 96. He sent them on an overseas tour (against Thailand 😄) pre tournament. The match was terrible - usual English rubbish. But the master stroke was letting the players go wild afterwards. The press SLAUGHTERED the players calling them useless (they were against Thailand) and irresponsible yobs- the dentists chair episode.

Expectation immediately hit rock bottom and the players now had nothing to lose. No-one expected them to achieve anything. Some even said we should forfeit the tournament. The players then gave the Dutch a footballing lesson, knocked out Spain and were inches away from knocking out winners Germany in extra time in the semis.


07 Oct 2017 12:56:18
So England’s Problem from decades is not having a good manager Ron? A group of medicore players who are like feeder club to PL clubs!


07 Oct 2017 13:43:30
Ron, I agree whole-heartedly with your post. However, your history of Euro 96 is missing a couple of details. England made a right muck of the first game vs the Swiss then coached by. Roy Hodgson and were lucky to get a draw vs them when Kubilay canceled out Shearer's opener. The boys then went into the game vs Scotland right up against it and tho they led via Shearer, had the verr reliable Gary Mac not missed his penalty, not sure they make it out of that game with 3 points as the fans were already on top of them.

They did handle the Dutch very well BUT vs Spain again, they were awful and had the penalty been given when Alfonso was fouled in the box, not sure they win that quarter final either. Vs Germany, they were very unlucky and that game is one my all time favorite games ever, the sort of games int'l football of today will NEVER give you. It was breathless.

I was just pointing out that that England team and TV were under the sort of pressure that this England team would quite simply crumble under and it was NEVER smooth-sailing for them throughout the tourney. They did pull thru tho and that is commendable in itself.


07 Oct 2017 15:15:34
You forgot Euro 96 was in England Ron. I'm sure that helped.


07 Oct 2017 17:50:32
Actually aoe I don't think it does help as the expectation is higher.

My point is the managers need to have a tactic for lowering expectation and pressure. Foreign managers don't get it until it's too late, English managers aren't good enough.


07 Oct 2017 19:02:09
I absolutely do get your point but I really do think any home team has a huge advantage. Dare I say 1966? I think if the pressure was the reason, how do England not buckle under the pressure of qualification? I really think there are far better teams in Europe that deserve to be seeded as high as they are. I think England is cursed by under performing yet still qualifying and keeping their place as top seed in every tournament. I think (and I may be wrong) that after the 2018 World Cup they are changing it up or at least reviewing it. Perhaps that may be the difference the team needs. For my sake, let's hope not eh 😜.


07 Oct 2017 20:49:22
I would suggest Hoddle could have bern good before his comments. He played a decent brand of football and appeared to have the backing of the players but your point remains Ron.


07 Oct 2017 21:37:53
That's true, at the time hoddle seemed to be doing everything right and then the ridiculous comments kind of ruined it all.


 
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