Liverpool Banter Archive October 07 2013

 

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07 Oct 2013 22:38:21
Watching the u21 this season the playwr that has impressed with the most is Brannagan. he's british but has the technical ability of a spaniard. He seems very suited to the no.10 role.

Hounsred

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And Coutinho/Suso?

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07 Oct 2013 22:05:59
Hi Eds, just wondering what your thoughts on attacking midfield. Sometimes I feel we lack a true quality playmaker, similar to Gerrard on his day, somebody who can play the ball Gerrard did to Danny Sturridge the other match, but game after game. Sorry to say this put Gerrard doesn't do that every game now. I really do think we could be contenders next year if we can find somebody who can find that killer ball. Thanks in advance. {Ed001's Note - I am happy with Coutinho there, as I would be with Suso playing there. I think we are fine right now, with a number of youngsters coming through who can play that role. Though I do think Moses is not suited to it, he doesn't have the range of passing or vision to play the way he is being asked to, imo.}

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Give it to gerrard. to waste steve's talents too soon would be criminal
i have always felt he would be more effective further forward
the killer pass
the five yard power surge to beat a man
the long shot, the header, the late run to finish off a cut back
the set pieces and deep crosses from the right

what he is not any more (if he ever was) is a defensive midfielder.
if ever there were two players more suited to that position it is lucas and henderson. gerrard can play further forward in the number 10 or right of the front three. I cannot imagine anyone better. best season for rafa in this position. 33 goals. our best league finish.

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Dont forget Texeira, who's having a good season as well. {Ed002's Note - Not that good.}

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08 Oct 2013 07:30:04
Gerrard all day long than Moses.
BR sometimes strange everyone. Luis alberto or Gerrard should start as ACM and Hendo should start with Luca in the Middle.

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07 Oct 2013 20:59:15
Lots of Web sites linking us with Jorginho again any updates ed? {Ed002's Note - None at all.}

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07 Oct 2013 20:25:06
If we sell Suarez to R/Madrid we should try getting Benzema and also Hulk that would be a great attack with Sturridge Moses and Coutinho

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Hulk is a money hungry Igood for nothing seriously

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Benzene wouldn't cut it in premier league, let arsenal or united waste their money on him

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08 Oct 2013 07:31:22
Alexix Sanchez, or Luis Muriel for me. Benzema is a striker and we have sturridge and Aspas to do the Job.
I can't understand What some fans think of Suarez as a Player. Surly much more than a striker.

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08 Oct 2013 10:23:08
have to agree with harry on them 2 players to replace suarez but if anyone out of madrid was part of the deal modric would be perfect.

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08 Oct 2013 12:05:34
Modric said he wanna retire at Madrid.

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08 Oct 2013 12:45:08
thats ok modric saying he wants to retire at madrid but only the very best get to play their final days at real madrid like Zidane, ronaldo, de stefino(spelling) he isn't even an automatic pick now so in the ever evolving door that is madrids midfielders my guess by this summer he would be available, and that's when a deal will be done.

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07 Oct 2013 20:07:03
The under 21s are having a cracker. Expecting to see McLaughlin by the end of this season and Smith, what a comeback from injury, just scores a cracker as I type, excellent!

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To be fair most of their team are out on loan!

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08 Oct 2013 00:36:05
Because Suso, Adorjan, Coady, Robinson, Ngoo and Texeira aren't on loan are they. Mate we just played a lot of U18's and U17's in an U21's fixture. Don't look for negatives! Future is bright man.

YNWAdam

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No negatives mate, they played us off the park and gave us a footballing lesson last couple of years! They prefer to send most out on loan and keep those that are taking steps up and those that are developing! They (spurs) have been very weak this term due to their different direction with their younger players! For the past few years I think they have had the best crop of youngsters! United are constantly linked with tom carroll! I work with a guy is at their training ground!

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Teixeira played Adam! Scored a cracker

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08 Oct 2013 13:03:09
I know Irish, wasn't aware he had returned already, but I watched the game online at 4am this morning! The devastating thing was I started work at 8am. The things I do to watch Liverpool reserves play! I'm suprised I haven't been sacked for the amount of time I spend typing out posts and replies on here using my phone! Then I spend my entire lunch break on this site using the PC. Addicted is an under statement, and If I do get culled Eds, I'll be expecting compensation!

Thought It was a great game though. Not one player had a bad game. Brannagan has kind of come out of nowhere, but he's a hell of a player. McLaughlin still outshone everyone for me though.

YNWAdam

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That's a killer Adam! Thought I was bad checking this site a couple of times a day. It was a good game, Smith scored a very nice goal & he's one I haven't heard much of if I'm being honest. Besides the fact that he's only just come back from an injury.

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07 Oct 2013 19:53:05
Two words Ryan Mclaughlin what a player that lad will be I think he's going to be the next one to break into the first team in all honesty watching him today I can say he's way too good for u21's I may be wrong I watch u21 games whenever I can but I probably miss a lot. Still think the lad is amazing tbh and Cissokho looked so far I know its u21's I hope he gives Enrique a run for his money we need that kind of competition in the squad can only make us better imo. In case anyone is wondering were 3-0 at half time against tottenham I hope they keep up the momentum I wanna see more goals!

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07 Oct 2013 19:50:13
I think Henderson and Lucas should be the middle two.I think Gerrard would be more better coming on to help turn/protect a game with 20 to go, getting to old now.

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Is this a serious post or a wind up

I think a lot of our fans don't understand

The role Gerrard is now playing in the

team . To old at 33 FFs sake

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The problem with the role Gerrard is now playing, is his complete lack of a defensive side to his game. He isn't suited to this role at all.

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07 Oct 2013 19:15:51
Hi Eds

Is there a problem with Gerrard? The last couple of games he seems to have lost interest and his body language after the penalty at weekend seems to suggest that he's not a happy bunny. Any ideas? {Ed001's Note - not as far as I am aware, he is playing within himself, trying to hold himself back, rather than charging forward, but I have seen no signs of him losing interest myself, nor heard of any issues he has.}

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Look how happy he was the week before when Suarez scored the first when he slipped. I wouldn't read too much into Sat.

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There is no problem with Gerrard only a problem with where he is being played. Yes he's getting older, yes he's getting slower so he should be played in his best position as an AM and given free reign to do what he wants for as long as he can in every game.
He will certainly influence more games playing for 60 minutes in a free role than he will playing for 90 as a DM

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Spot on chris in tamworth

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06 Oct 2013 22:01:24
Hi eds, first time poster. I have admired mulumbu of west brom for a long time, thought he was awesome both defensively and offensively today. I really think our midfield lacks someone of his qualities with Gerrard being more restrained in his role lately, do u think he would add to our squad? {Ed001's Note - not for me, he is great at breaking up play, but he is not quite good enough on the ball, in my opinion, for our system. I still think we made a mistake not going for Medel, he has been outstanding for Cardiff this season, both breaking up play and setting up attacks.}

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07 Oct 2013 17:23:35
I thought Henderson was MOTM saturday he has a great engine. Also I was really impressed with Luis Alberto when he came he seems a very skillful footballer.

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07 Oct 2013 18:34:29
What's going on ed002 I can't write a post unless I reply to a recent post? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about - I thought I just replied to one from you about Muriel?}

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07 Oct 2013 17:18:43
It's fantastic that people are talking about the football again.
Too often are we on the front pages and not the back. For too long has it been Owners, Suarez, Dalgleish sacking, £35m flops, even match rigging scandals ect. It's boring!
I just want to applaud BR for that, we are playing some great stuff and I'm loving the Sturridge Suarez partnership. Migniolet has been an excellent signing and we have options all over the pitch.
Also I think Coutinho missing a few games might do him some good, he's struggled so far this season and maybe a few week out of the spot light with the weight of expectation off his back he can come back and slot right into a winning side.

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Here here!

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07 Oct 2013 16:44:12
Few points:

Diego Costa proving that Rodgers has an eye for talent. He now looks a steal for 20 million

I personally think we are too slow at passing. We have the speed now, but seems like our midfield dwelling on the ball just a second too long. Really hope we get the all action midfielder our squad is craving in January (yes, the next Gerrard will do.).

Where will Allen fit in when he returns? Anyone see him back in starting 11?

Anyone know how many assists Enrique gets with his crosses. I feel like he fires in 10 per game, but I am yet to see an assist (not necessarily due to poor cross, as maybe nobody crashing the box, but I really don't see us converting crosses so I wonder if perhaps he should try and beat his man more often. Even if only 1 in 4 or 5 times he was successful, I still think it would increase his likelihood of producing a goal).

Just some random stuff.

Coop {Ed002's Note - Barry Hunter, not Rodgers.}

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I personally feel Henderson and Allen are the best midfield pairing for the system we currently play.
Allan when he first arrived looked very good he dropped off from November onwards but according to Rodgers had a shoulder 'that felt like spaghetti'. Worrying about getting clattered every minute of playing must take a knock on confidence and therefore form.

I hope Henderson plays as holding midfielder more often he looks like he could be one of the best in that position for Liverpool and england! Otherwise I fear he will spend his Liverpool career as a utility man which would be a waste.

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I don't think Allen really fits in while Gerrard is in the team. I think in a 2-1 he'd play where Gerrard is playing, because he's not an AM nor a DM. I really rate him though even though he was a bit out of form through injury for the second half of the season.

If we got someone like Fernando in Jan. I think a midfield of him Allen, and Coutinho would work very well and bring the control that Brendan was talking about after the Palace game.

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Also Ed002 is it true 'The Committee' is Fallows, Hunter and Edwards? That Rodgers only identifies a position and they present him with a list of players and he chooses from that. He also didn't want Sakho apparently. {Ed002's Note - I don't know but would suspect more involvement from Rodgers than that.}

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08 Oct 2013 07:35:07
Allen will be moving out in the Summer, If we bring another ACM or CM, we have enough good players in the Midfield. Henderson would become a regualr starter along with a DM /LUcas, Where does Allen fit?.
As per all the stats, we had better results when he isn't playing, Actually we never missed him.
Now don't shoot at me. But he clearly is 18 mill wasted

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I'm sure if Rodgers did not want Sakho he wouldn't have ousted our vice captain from the left centre back role and remained there now Agger is back

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07 Oct 2013 15:43:43
{Ed033's Note - New blog entitled Great Start to the Season for Liverpool sent in by You'll Never Walk Alone now on the liverpool blogs page

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07 Oct 2013 15:10:04
Hi edds and reds, I have read and commented on posts regarding Gerard and others on where they should play etc, I also see a lot of people saying we should buy alonso back, I'd be glad to see it but only if he was very cheap, we have coutinho, Alberto, suso and hendo all very young and potentially brilliant players, maybe hendo doesn't come in to the same bracket as the other three with regards to no.10 role or cam role, but he is/will be a vital cm for years to come. I think spending big money on a cam would be a complete waste of time and will not be done, the three we have, have the potential to be world class in a few years and only need guidance for awhile. I think a right winger is needed and hendo be let move into the middle, gerrard would benefit from this as hendo is our new work horse without a doubt and hendo would benefit from gerrards exp and overall class in every aspect. I know we have ibe and raheem and although I rate them very highly I do not think they are anywhere near as ready as suso(when he returns) and coutinho. If top four can be made this year I think Suarez leaving will benefit us, there will be no more disruptance and scenes caused but we will also have the financial backing with his sale and cl football to better a team that in my opinion does not need much bettering.

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07 Oct 2013 13:14:54
YNWAdam,

I have read your posts about Gerrard being used as an impact sub in the '10' role mate. But, do you not think it would lead to injuries? IMO, Gerrard cannot play the way he used to anymore. Even if he plays 30 minutes as an all-action midfielder, he is likely to get injured and at his age, will take longer to recover. Perhaps that is why BR doesn't want him to play there?

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I too have read YNWAdam's posts, and my concern is that Gerrard doesn't fit the brief for how BR sees his no.10

When playing Coutinho or Moses, BR wants a player who will pick the ball up around half way and drive toward the opposition backline, drawing defenders away from SAS's runs, whether they be diagonal or arching round the no.10. Even in the last 30mins of a game I don't think SG would bust a lung, he'd take one touch and pick a pass.

Don't get me wrong, I think SG could play a 30min cameo at no.10, I just don't believe BR sees him as an option due to not currently carrying the attributes BR requires at this time

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07 Oct 2013 14:23:40
I am not sure what BR actually want from Gerrard, For me he is pretty good CM, and should be played there. I would alos look him to be an ACM if Countinho is injured dropping Moses and playing hendo with Lucas in the middle,
He does get that 1-2 with sturridge and Suarez much better than Moses any day. This will free up his defensive duties.

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07 Oct 2013 14:53:54
Thats a really good point that I hadn't considered if I'm being honest. Thinking about it though, being older tends to make players suffer more from muscle fatigue than muscle strains. Strains and tears tend to occur in younger players who's bodies are still growing. Gerrard's joints and muscles seem to have settled as his body has (people forget that the male body is still changing size and shape up to about 30 years old). I think he is still fit enough to go 30 minutes at 100%. If not, simply reduce the time accordingly. In terms of impact injuries, he is at risk of those regardless of where he plays. Perhaps more sprints would put him at a slightly larger risk, but I believe less minutes and the extra recovery time would offset that though. Very good point though AG. You could be right with regards to this being the reason he's dropped deeper. The question is though, can we afford to have a player scared to sprint anywhere on the pitch? Had Gerrard or Lucas gone with Shelvey for Swansea's second goal, we may have won that game. But neither tracked his run giving him a simple knock down to Michu. I 'think' Gerrard would be alright with one 30 minute work out a week though. With age you tend to lose your Stamina rather than become injury prone. I guess we'll never know unless Rodgers tries it.

YNWAdam

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07 Oct 2013 15:03:00
Thats a fair point RipeRed. However I don't think Gerrard has ever struggled with driving runs. I think he's still got it in him, but he's just holding back to preserve himself. My dad is 50 years old and over 100m he could probably still beat me as he was a sprinter in his army days. However in an 800m race I reckon I'd be miles ahead. If you get what I mean? Whilst older players lose the ability to run for long periods, they should really not be losing that much pace. Gerrard was never really fast anyway, just powerful. I certainly don't think he's lost his power. You tend to get stronger with age. I think he could perform Rodgers idea of a number 10 easily for 30 minutes. This is Steven Gerrard we are talking about. He's still world class, he just cannot maintain it for 90 minutes now.

YNWAdam

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07 Oct 2013 19:02:45
Imo, our "10" role is less physically demanding now with 2 strikers than it was when Gerrard played off just Torres. And I think a little too much is being made of Gerrard's fitness. Yeah, he can't cover every blade of grass like he could when he was 25, but he's still probably fitter than a great number of Premier League players who are 5 years younger than him. No reason why he couldn't play there until Coutinho returns from injury. I reckon he'd do a better job than Moses (who isn't doing badly per se, but I think he's better from a flank so he has space to get a run at a defender).

When Coutinho comes back though, there's question to be asked. I've always had doubts about him as a central midfielder. He has the skills, obviously, he's just lacking patience and positional discipline and its shown a couple of times this season. Now that said, he curbed his natural tendancies fairly well most of last season, so maybe Brendan just needs to sit him down and have a wee refresher on what his role in the team is.

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I just want Stevie to play like Xabi did for us. Let Lucas win the ball, and Stevie can pass it where he wants!
He could play that position for the next 2 seasons.

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07 Oct 2013 12:56:59
Hi Eds,

Great start to the season and hopefully we'll stay up there and break in to the top 4 this year.

How realistic is it for Liverpool to purchase Diego Costa as a replacement for Suarez ( I would love it if the club get him and Suarez stays but one can only dream)

He is one of the few players that are out there(not saying he is available hence the question) which I think will have everyone forget about Suarez almost as quickly as he made us forget about Torress.

I've read that he has signed a new deal but if we are in the mix come January then hopefully we can convince him to join (provided there is interest from the club)

Thanks in advance {Ed002's Note - Right now I don't see Costa leaving Spain.}

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I read a direct quote from Diego Costa, and he said that he came close to moving to us, but decided to stay where he is because he loves the club. Just the sort of player you want playing for you - but unfortunately he plays for someone else! I would have loved it had he come, but hay ho.

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07 Oct 2013 11:01:21
I think our next 3 games against Newcastle, WBA and Arsenal will give us a better idea of where we are really at. If we can get 5, 6 or 7 points from those 3 I would be satisfied

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I have yet to look at the table, I am waiting until 10 games have been played which will be the Arsenal game .

For me if we can get to January in a good league position we have a chance at a great season, our run in ios fortuitous with 5 of the big 6 to visit anfield before the end of the season .

We must be in good shape by the turn of New year to have a chance .

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07 Oct 2013 04:06:57
Is there any possibility we could snap up Adam Lallana or Xabi Alonso in January?

I am very confident that these two players can make us crash top 4 spot and may be even 2nd place.

Any thoughts?

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No thoughts.

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Adam Llalana is a great player
I also like Luke Shaw
I would love to get both. {Ed002's Note - I wouldn't hold your breath.}

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07 Oct 2013 13:13:56
Southampton will be a very hard team to buy from now. They are very rich, have one of the best youth models in the country, have a great young team playing well together and none of the players are keen to leave due to all this. Added to their great start to the season, I think they could shock many people this year. They've certainly looked better than City, United and Tottenham so far, and they haven't lacked consistency either. The best defensive record in the league has helped them no end. I think Alonso would be a good buy personally. He could only play alongside Hendo or Allen in the holding midfield pair, as we'd lack the pressing from midfield otherwise, but he is tactically the best best player on the planet right now. He makes tackles look easy by being in the right place so he doesn't have to charge about lunging in, and he also uses his body very well to stop people running at him. At Madrid, and for the national team he has transformed himself into a very good defensive midfielder. It'd certianly keep Lucas on his toes having a player like that breathing down his neck. Joe Allen could learn a lot from Xabi too. They are different styles but they are both tempo-setters so to speak. Xabi does it better than anyone else in the world and I don't think anybody relaised it until he was gone, but he's the best central midfielder we've had at the club for at least a decade (Gerrard was a better player, but he was an attacking midfielder). My only argument against buying Xabi, is could we get a younger player who would offer more to the team? Somebody who can dictate the play, but also press the opposition higher up as well? My preference would be Lars Bender. Perhaps Xabi is the more realistic option right now though. I trust our scouting team to get it right regardless of who they sign.

YNWAdam

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07 Oct 2013 13:45:59
YNWA.
Joe allen would pack his bags If another plyaer like Alonso comes in. we have only two domestic cups and we don't need an 18 mill player to warm the bench.
Alonso if comes would play for another 3 years with ease like pirlo. Probably Henderson would learn something from him playing alongside.
All I can see is Allen being sold like borini next summer.

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Joe Allen would learn a lot off the master that is Alonso. Joe has it in his locker he just needs to get fit and take it to the field.
I have every faith that this will happen.

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08 Oct 2013 02:50:34
Age for a Holding midfielder shouldn't be an issue.
Xabi can still play for 2 more years just like Andrea Pirlo, Van Bommel, Xavi.

I hope The Owners do a big favor to LFC and get him back so at-least when Gerrard is not available we can count on Xabi/Lucas (remeber the Champions league match against Chelsea 4-4, we were without Gerrard, kyut, lucas, xabi, mereiles as stood up)

We definitely need a senior holding midfielder. Look at Rosicky at Arsenal, Darren Fletcher at Manchester United even for that sake Hargreaves when he was injured, these players just need to play few games in a season but are moral boosters for the dressing room.

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08 Oct 2013 07:37:35
Phooey

We can only field 11 players in a team.
If you want, hendo lucas and gerarrd to start with alonso, Where would allen play? Striker?

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Allen is new Charlie Adam. If he fails to perform at-least we will have Henderson/Xabi to choose from.
Fabregas spend almost 1 season on bench at Barcelona.
Plus its not just 11 players all the starting 16 should be strong enough.
I really feel if Allen doesn't perform this season then he might be sold.

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Harry.
Please read the post correctly.
I state that Allen could LEARN a lot from Alonso.
Alonso positions himself so well, gaining a yard with good footing, if Allen could do that and combine his passing game to it as well, I think it could be quite special.
That's what I ment.

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07 Oct 2013 01:32:44
Sorry Eds but some people don't get the hint, doesn't matter where we end up atthe end of the season SUAREZ is leaving end of either JAN or Summer. No doubt he go and no doubt brendan rodgers will replace him, replaced torres time to replace suarez, great player don't get me wrong leave him do is stuff intill he leaves and my opinion I think Dzeko could be the boy for us or maybe sign lakaku/ benteke.
I think maybe one or two still needs to go not Liverpool Quaility for one Henderson picks his days gives the ball away a lot he doesn't even look like a footballer shocking 20m for him, could of signed Tevez, Navas, negerdo.
Eds can you give us some ideas on who may replace Luis if he does go Thanks Eds.
Rip 96

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07 Oct 2013 09:12:49
Give your head a wobble mate. Hendo has his issues, but if you actually watched the team you'd know that for the last 10 months he's been our most consistent player by far. He always turns up and does the job he's asked to do. He always puts in a hell of a shift as well. I was critical of his play when he first came but now I can easily see what we paid £20m for. The only thing he needs to work on is his incisive passing and his composure in front of goal. I think that is down to confidence though. At least justify why you are going to criticise a 23 year old who's played about 5 games in his preferred position and been man of the match in every game he has.

YNWAdam

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Suarez will leave, but your Henderson bashing is ridiculous and the players who you think could have been bought instead of Henderson, is even more poor thinking on your part.

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Come back in 2014 mate

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07 Oct 2013 10:02:28
Rubbish, .
Dzeko is a good striker, But we have sturridge. Have you ever seen Dzeko dribbling? taking one on one with a defender. he is a good finisher. If you see suarez as just as a finisher. then you must watch him again and again.
Henderson isn't worth 20 mill. But he is a pretty good footballer. and if he constantly plays in the center of midfield, we will have an awesome midfielder in henderson. '
and what on earth is tebez doing at juventus?
Negrado is a good player no doubt, But do we need a striker? I don't think so.
But yes ofcourse, we need another suarez.

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07 Oct 2013 10:37:18
And I think we paid 16 mill for Hendo and 20 mill for Downing.

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I agree, henderson has been consistant. consistantly average at best

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Yeh, I thought it was 16m for Hendo too.
And, to the initial poster, as if any of those 3 you mentioned would have came here?!

Some people on here are proper muppets!

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Torbens picnic. You officially have the best name by a mile on this site

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