Liverpool Banter Archive October 07 2010
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07 Oct 2010 23:48:38
{ed's note - Banega I would love, but he would cost 20m at least and would not be able to play in our weakest spots. Mata is a bit lightweight for me and drifts in and out of games, I also doubt he would come cheap. I liked Crouch, but he is slow and cumbersome and not good enough, though he will always get goals. The reason I went for Davies is because he offers something nobody else in our team does and he is a short term option to give players like Suso time to mature rather than blocking their way into the team in future. Remember the amount to spend was 50-60m, no way would you get your 3 for that money.}
I'm sure 60m would be a sufficient amount. Banega - 20m, Mata - 15-20m and Crouch no more than 10m. I'm intrigued as to what exactly you see in Davies? He's definitely underrated but I feel there are better options available. I'd prefer Zamora personally, even if he did cost a bit more.
Here's Hoping {ed's note - I think you would have to spend 50m to get Banega and Mata together, at least, purely because Valencia would not want to lose both at once. Davies offers lots of things, great touch, fantastic in the air, quick and he is like a battering ram who can take on any defender. If only he had Drogba's skill and goalscoring he would be the ultimate striker, but he would offer the perfect foil for Torres. I don't see why you would want Zamora, he has had a good couple of seasons, but he offers nothing in particular. May as well play Ngog or Ngoo if you just want a tall skinny player who can't hold the ball up particularly well and doesn't anticipate chances.}
07 Oct 2010 23:32:35
Ed, if you had 50-60m to spend in January or in the summer, who would be your first three targets and why?
Here's Hoping {ed's note - I feel like I am repeating myself here but I would buy Keisuke Honda. He is top class in almost every single position on the pitch, particularly three of our weak areas - left back, left midfield/ wing and striker. Alexis Sanchez, because he could provide pace and trickery on the wings. Kevin Davies, big and strong and a perfect foil for Torres who can also help teach Ngog a bit about holding up the ball. He may be getting on a bit but his experience would be great and enable us to blood more youngsters with him on the pitch. How about yourself?}
Not really sure about Honda as I've not seen enough of him. Sanchez would be great; he looked fantastic in the world cup. I disagree with the Davis idea though, he's a step in the wrong direction personally.
I'd love to see Ever Banega brought in, his passing and vision is just what we need; a deep lying playmaker. Juan Manual Mata - his pace and dribbling is awesome and he'll provide natural width and great crosses. Finally, and you may disagree, but Peter Crouch. The amount of goals he sets up with flick ons is amazing and he's got good feet for a giraffe. He'd be a better option than Davies in my opinion.
What do you think to that?
Here's Hoping {ed's note - Banega I would love, but he would cost 20m at least and would not be able to play in our weakest spots. Mata is a bit lightweight for me and drifts in and out of games, I also doubt he would come cheap. I liked Crouch, but he is slow and cumbersome and not good enough, though he will always get goals. The reason I went for Davies is because he offers something nobody else in our team does and he is a short term option to give players like Suso time to mature rather than blocking their way into the team in future. Remember the amount to spend was 50-60m, no way would you get your 3 for that money.}
07 Oct 2010 23:32:08
Apologies for what is going to be a long post, but i have had enough of listening to people going on about Rafa's transfers this and Rafa transfers that.
So decided to do a little digging.
Torres cost 20.2 m (must be worth 40m +) +18
Aquilani cost 20m (should recoup 12m + -8
Keane cost 19m sold 15m -5
Mascherano cost 18m sold 18m 0
Johnson cost 18m (worth 10m) -8
Babbel cost 11.5m (worth 8m) -3.5
Alonso cost 11m sold 30m +19
Kuyt cost 9m (worth 10m +) +1
Riera cost 8m sold 5m -3
Dossena cost 7m sold 3.8m -3.2
Crouch cost 7m sold 11m +4
Lucas cost 7m (worth 4m max) -3
Pennant cost 7m FREE -7
Skrtel cost 6.5m (worth 8m +) +1.5
Reina cost 6m (worth 20m at least) +14
Garcia cost 6m sold 4m -2
Bellamy cost 6m sold 7.5m +1.5
Agger cost 6m (worth 10m +) +4
Sissoko cost 5.5m sold 8m +2.5
Morientes cost 5.5m sold 3m -2.5
Benayoun cost 5m sold 6.5m +1.5
Cavalieri cost 4m sold 1.2m -2.8
Arbeloa cost 2.5m sold 3.5m +1
Leto cost 2.5m sold 5m +2.5
Josemi cost 2m Swapped for Kromcamp
Kromcamp sold for 2m 0
Paletta cost 2m UNDISCLOSED -2
Shelvey cost 2m (worth 5m +) +3
Gonzalez cost 1.5m sold 3.5m +2
Ngog cost 1.5m (worth 4m +) +2.5
Kyrgiakos cost 1.5m (worth 0) -1.5
Carson cost 750k sold 4m +3
San Jose cost 270k sold 2.5m +2
Martin cost 250k UNDISCLOSED -0.25
Barragan 240k sold 680k +0.25
Idrizaj 190k UNDISCLOSED -0.25
Hobbs 150k UNDISCLOSED -0.25
Cooper 100k (worth 0) 0
Kacaniklic 75k UNDISCLOSED 0
Maxi FREE (worth 4m) +4
Degen FREE (worth 1m) +1
Buchtmann FREE sold 100k 0
Aurelio FREE (worth 1m) +1
Voronin FREE sold 2m +2
Most of the other players he purchased were undisclosed fee's or free transfers.
However, he did raise an additional 48m through the sale of Houllier players such as Owen, Baros, Cisse, Riise, Diouf, Kirkland, Sinama-Pongolle, Murphy, Guthrie, Traore, Diarra, Warnock, Mellor and Potter.
Now by my calculations he raised 85m more than he spent. That includes current valuations, but only of players he purchased, the likes of Gerrard and Carragher aren't in there. Nor are kids who have come through the academy on the edge of the squad. The likes of Pacheco aren't included either as fee was undisclosed.
Maybe now we can have people shut up about he wasting 250m on players. He turned a profit on a lot of his buys. Was the squad he left us better than the Houllier squad? Most would say no. However, Alonso was a huge part of that 05 Istanbul team, as was Garcia on the way to the final.
I am not blinkered Rafa made some dreadful purchases, however he clearly didn't have 250m to spend did he?
ChrisE
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All i'm going to say on this is that the valuations are like lots of posts on here - wrong in my opinion.
Quite a few are guesses at best.
Then you say Keane was bought for £19m, sold for £15m. Then you say that's a £5m loss. Now i'm no maths phenomenon but that is a miscalculation by my estimation to start so can't take the rest of the calculations seriously after that novice error, sorry.
Rafa was a good manager at various times but he failed to bring back the title in 6 seasons. He prioritised the C.L. when most fans wanted the P.L. amongst other issues. But in his defense we did have some great nights under his leadership but time to try a new route now (Would love Mourinho to come with his winning mentality but never going to happen i'd guess, who knows though?!).
Irish Kev.
07 Oct 2010 23:25:30
07 Oct 2010 22:30:01
"1.Agreement in place for LFC to be sold to New England Ventures, owner of the Boston Red Sox.
2.Bob Diamond is a huge Red Sox fan.
3.Bob Diamond runs Barclays capital.
4.Barclays capital have been the advisers to Martin Broughton regarding the sale."
So What? Pretend I'm the head of BarCap, a Liverpool fan, the Red Sox need new owners and I've sent a guy to handle the sale.
I'm not going to tell the guy to sell to Hicks and Gillett (because they are s* t owners). If Hicks and Gillett said they wanted to buy I'd tell him they're s* t. Same applies to whoever Bob Diamond is I would imagine, don't be so paranoid. Not everything is a conspiracy.
What I was saying is Bob Diamond has very close links to the Red Sox hierarachy. Diamond and his ilk have done to the country what H&G have done to our club. I was not suggesting that it was a conspiracy just stating my scepticism. From the outside New England Ventures look like they could be good owners. I am just not ready to proclaim them as saviours.
07 Oct 2010 23:22:25
Like most fans, I am very cautious about our potential new owners (once bitten, twice shy and all of that), however, what I do like is their apparent committment to the development of young players. That has got to be a good thing. Just look at the Barca model.
Frenchy.
07 Oct 2010 22:59:39
In reply to Just seen Hicks and Gillette boardin easyjet at JLA goin to. . . . . . . . who cares BYE BYE
well i also saw hicks and gillette at JLA they both tried to get cash from cashpoints and had their cards eaten by the atm. . . . ha ha . . . h&g you will walk alone!
07 Oct 2010 22:53:13
Just a thought all, how about we don't buy anyone in January (get Taiwo on pre contract for next season though) but sell some players to bring in some funds like Maxi, Poulsen, Soto etc & write this season off?!
Then play some of the youngsters like Shelvey, Ayala, Amoo & Pacheco in games to give them their chance once clear of the relegation zone until May.
Then in the summer (no major tournament on) we can spend any funds earned from January sales on top of what the owners will give us (hopefully £50 million or so). Then we could have up to £70 - 80m to spend with players being available at better more realistic prices. We could buy 4 world class players then potentially at correct value. If Torres goes for £30 million or so we'd be able to maybe get in a half dozen top top players. We shouldn't be in too much of a hurry to spend in January i think. Maybe a Striker on loan / buy in January if needs be but that's it.
Any opinions Ed?
Cheers,
Irish Kev. {ed's note - I don't think we should spend much in January anyway, last thing we need is more players trying to bed in. One or two at most and I fully agree on giving the kids more playing time.}
07 Oct 2010 22:30:01
"1.Agreement in place for LFC to be sold to New England Ventures, owner of the Boston Red Sox.
2.Bob Diamond is a huge Red Sox fan.
3.Bob Diamond runs Barclays capital.
4.Barclays capital have been the advisers to Martin Broughton regarding the sale."
So What? Pretend I'm the head of BarCap, a Liverpool fan, the Red Sox need new owners and I've sent a guy to handle the sale.
I'm not going to tell the guy to sell to Hicks and Gillett (because they are s* t owners). If Hicks and Gillett said they wanted to buy I'd tell him they're s* t. Same applies to whoever Bob Diamond is I would imagine, don't be so paranoid. Not everything is a conspiracy.
07 Oct 2010 22:19:11
Just seen Hicks and Gillette boardin easyjet at JLA goin to. . . . . . . . who cares BYE BYE
07 Oct 2010 22:17:27
I can see why everyone is moaning about Glen Johnson's defending but why not play him as a right wing as going forward he looks Liverpool's most dangerous player.
07 Oct 2010 22:16:30
07 Oct 2010 21:55:02
To Blair Mayne YNWA i know the s*n is bad i found out they printed a whole page of s* te on 'arry talking bollocks about how he feels sorry for dumb and dumber and how its the fans fault for pressuring them
always a red
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I heard Harry (tax dodger) Rednapp had said somthing about H&G and feeling sorry for them on other site's. As you know they write what he was quoted as saying and as usual he was talking sh*t.
I never had much love for him anyway i think he's overated. What you think of Harry ED?
Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - hate the thieving **** and always have done. He should stick to robbing money out of the fan's pockets, after all that is what he is best at.....}
07 Oct 2010 22:05:08
To ed yes richardson is a bit of a dick but its about time we started to play our strikers as strikers i.e kuyt, babel, jova, pacheco and im sure in the carling cup eccleston was on the wing. we need wingers and he was the cheap option, maybe be that's why am a bricklayer and not a football manager lol
always a red {ed's note - he is cheap for a reason, if you are good and in the Prem then you are not cheap.}
07 Oct 2010 22:03:12
Everyones an expert, physic, management masterclass and serious bargain hunters on here.
Who we are buying, what we are doing, who with, when and why. . Truly an amazing insight.
FACT- you DON'T know who's coming, when there coming, who's next manager, when theres a next manager, stadium, owners, board etc etc etc blah blah blah.
Benitez spent! . Get over it, he's gone. He won the European cup brought in Torres and gave thousands to hillsborough appeal plus rhys jones plus other charities. Be grateful and wish him luck.
Anfield is doom n gloom and yet you so called supporters think you should be the manager or saviour or something. Embarrassing!.
Support you team and manager. Show the world the real reds fans are stll around
07 Oct 2010 21:58:53
I hope hicks goes bust and ends up playing the broken tennis racket on mathew street the greedy. . . anyway at least we got torres out of him.
07 Oct 2010 21:55:02
To Blair Mayne YNWA i know the s*n is bad i found out they printed a whole page of s* te on 'arry talking bollocks about how he feels sorry for dumb and dumber and how its the fans fault for pressuring them
always a red
07 Oct 2010 21:41:39
Hicks is a typical arrogant Yank t* t. He will try and ride roughshod over anything legally binding - typical of ego-centric rich idiots who want everything their way. Cleverest move Broughton made was getting it in writing that only he can change the Board - we may owe the man a HUGE debt of gratitude. Broughton wouldn't have gone public if he wasn't 100% sure he had the pricks cornered. There may be a few twists yet, but our future begins when the Court dumps these shameless harlots next week. . . . .
07 Oct 2010 21:39:45
07 Oct 2010 18:21:15
1 of the lads at work today bought the sun today and for once it was not so bad, they even referred to broughton, purslow and ayre as the 3 musketeers
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The S*N is always f*cking bad!
Blair Mayne YNWA
07 Oct 2010 21:38:53
Here are some trasfers i would like to see in january
with money from new owners;
banega
alexis sanchez
mata
bent
and without
taiwo
murphy (maybe)
richardson (yes the 1 that plays for sunderland)
davies
ed any thoughts
always a red {ed's note - Richardson has a poor attitude, is an ex-Manc and is crap, no thank you!}
07 Oct 2010 21:34:48
Very dissapointed with some "reds" no sooner has a new owner been announced than some start moaning about wanting to know the asian interest was. . be happy that we will have the second least debt in the prem and have a gebuine springboard to succeed the liverpool way. . if you can't accept this go and follow man city ya gobsh*tes. .
Rip Lil Fagan. . "he won the treble like never before Barney Rubble was the man who won the cup for Joe Fagan"
07 Oct 2010 21:32:53
"07 Oct 2010 21:13:38
Your going down with the west ham down with the west ham"
I'm sorry, but if you put half the effort into spelling that you clearly do into attempting to get a rise out of people on this forum you wouldn't appear such a halfwit to others. You clearly have an internet connection, there are many sites that could aid someone with your issues. There's no shame in asking for help my friend, we're all here for you, but the first step is admitting that you have a problem. No one will judge you for it.
Failing that, buy a dictionary.
07 Oct 2010 21:28:24
I started watching the Reds during Shanks 'barren' years, 6 seasons without a trophy! what did the fans do? support the manager and the team, why? they believed. Paisley took over a squad that in the two previous seasons were champions, UEFA & FA cup winners, he struggled to get them playing to their level, what did the fans do? support the manager and the team, why? they believed. Joe took over and endured the disaster at Heysel and stepped down for Kenny to take the reins, everyone hated Liverpool fans 'cos of the European ban, what did the fans do? support the manager and the team, why? they believed. We did the double! We had lean years under Evans and Souness but always supported and believed. Houllier came and we believed and won a fantastic treble, Rafa came along and still we believed, lots of comparisons were being made about our European cup win of '77 and the road to Istanbul, this made Reds all over the world believe we could do it again, even at half time we all deep down believed we could still win, and we did. Now is the time to support the manager and the team and believe, believe we can finish in top 4 with a UEFA cup and FA cup on the table too. What man can conceive and believe, he can achieve. What you think about, you bring about. All fans believe as one. . top 4 and 2 cups. We can do this, we are Liverpool!
07 Oct 2010 21:18:02
IF WE BUILD A NEW 80.000 STADIUM WHY NOT HAVE A BASEBALL TOUR SERIES EACH YEAR AS WELL AS MUSIC/ ENTERTAINMENT WHICH WOULD MAKE FINACIAL SENSE RATHER THAN TRY TO EXPAND ANFIELD MORE REVENUE TO BUILD THE TEAM
07 Oct 2010 21:13:38
Your going down with the west ham down with the west ham
07 Oct 2010 20:56:01
"07 Oct 2010 20:17:09
SO WHAT HAPPEND TO THE ARABS THEN. WE ARE BEING BOUGHT BY A MAN WITH LESS MONEY THAN HICKS. NO NEW STADIUM NO MAJOR SIGNINGS NO HOPE"
I smell a baited hook.
Come on people, if you're going to attempt to antagonise at least get a few facts in there as a mere nod towards a credible argument of doom and gloom.
07 Oct 2010 20:54:37
Redevelop Anfield to a 65,000 seater. it will take 18 months if we don't play there during the construction phase. Start construction March 2011. Ends Sept 2012. Play last games of this season at goodison and all next seasons games after agreeing with P&O ferries (20 pound roundtrip) at Aviva Stadium in Dublin
07 Oct 2010 20:49:55
With regards to re-developing Anfield. I think I'm right in saying that any new stadium built these days needs to have good car parking facilities & I'm just wondering if Anfield would get permission to add 15000 more seats with the lack of proper car parking?
The Irish Rover {ed's note - I am sure redevelopment plans would include more car parking spaces, I doubt that would be a problem as those would benefit both Liverpool and Everton.}
07 Oct 2010 20:28:57
About the stadium does anyone else think we should redevelope Anfield a new stadium would be great but all that history at Anfield would be so sad too lose Anfield is just so steeped in history with all the great players mangers that have graced the Anfield halls so i for one would not feel cheated if the new owners redevelope Anfield anyone else agree
REDDAN
07 Oct 2010 20:25:59
Monty was born in Scotland and raised in Yorkshire-The captain-FACT
Vice Captains: 2 Spanish, 1 Dane, 1 Irish, 1 N.I(also represented Ireland at world cup)
1 Swede, 2 Italians, 1 Spaniard, 1 R. of I., 2 N.I.(though they represented Ireland at the world cup last year), 1 German, 4 English.
07 Oct 2010 20:17:44
This is theturdz speaking
so hicks and gillett have an ally in their fight with the board HARRY IL BUY ANYONE GOOD OLD COCKNEY GEEZER REDKNAPP.he says he feels sorry for them they have put their money in backed the manager and are now being hounded out the club as he sees it theyve done nothing wrong and now stand to lose millions through the takeover which they are trying to block, well he would like them as hes used to owners just throwing money at players outbidding other clubs paying over the odds and giving players massive deals and then when it all goes tits up and the club is bankrupt and relegated he jumps ship and says it was nothing to do with me the owners signed the cheques i never knew there wasnt any money to fund all the transfers the typical cockney geezer makes millions out of the game by being a delboy wheeler dealer and the taxman looking closely at his dealings or is that going to be brushed under the carpet as most scandles in football always do.
from theturdz who wields the sword of truth and justice for the man in the street
07 Oct 2010 20:17:09
SO WHAT HAPPEND TO THE ARABS THEN. WE ARE BEING BOUGHT BY A MAN WITH LESS MONEY THAN HICKS. NO NEW STADIUM NO MAJOR SIGNINGS NO HOPE
07 Oct 2010 20:16:17
I have no inside info, but when Liverpool get bought out and the debt is clear, which in my opinion is the single most important thing as the intrest cripples us in every aspect of the club, It will the take a few years to rebuild and be a force again, it takes time. Look at Man City, a bottomless pit off money, still not the best team and seems to have no team spirit. Take our time buy the right players and not go into debt ever again. Lesson learnt. As for Roy he was only a short term solution anyway due to his age and he's there to steady the ship, once up and running a long term manager will be unveiled and we will rule Europe again.
07 Oct 2010 20:06:33
We all want H&G to p*ss off and take a hit in the wallet after what they have done to OUR club. I hope, however Broughton has been true to his word about getting the best possible buyer. I share the sceptism many of the fans are feeling. Take the following;
1. Agreement in place for LFC to be sold to New England Ventures, owner of the Boston Red Sox.
2.Bob Diamond is a huge Red Sox fan.
3.Bob Diamond runs Barclays capital.
4.Barclays capital have been the advisers to Martin Broughton regarding the sale.
Message to the board; Please, please make sure you don't sell to people who will F*ck up our club all over again.
07 Oct 2010 20:05:21
Thanks for the response ed
just a couple of things to add - i also would not believe broughton going public if he was not 100% sure
and secondly
today was the first time i have gone into work and was able to take the p out of the mancs for ages, well since the 4-1 at old toilet.
i live and work in manchester, married a manc girl(shes ok really at least when she has a scouser plugged in to her)and i have suffered some sh*t from both halves of this city.citeh fans telling me how rich they are and how poor we are and all the old toilet lot telling me how broke we are and relegation beckoning, well today was a quiet day, no one wanting to take the p*ss as i pointed out citeh maybe rich but what have you won- oh yes f* k all and scum fans were told in no uncertain terms we are on the way back and where we are now you will be in 3/ 4 years when your debts are due an saf has gone and LFC start racking up numbers 19, 20, 21 after years of mis management we are gonna come back bigger better and stronger - not one of them could disagree, so maybe just maybe they are worried about the new people providing us with a business blueprint and a team that will see us dominate again - and i left work with a smile and as i drove passed Old Toilet i wound my window down and spat(this is my custom) and thought to myself goodtimes are just around the corner
bigg2966
07 Oct 2010 19:37:56
GREAT WEEK WOW!
LFC rid of Yank owners and ENGLAND win the Ryder Cup!
Congrats to the 3 muskateers and Congrats to Monty and all TEAM ENGLAND! !
eh, team ENGLAND?? Apart from Monty being blatantly Scottish you could at least of gone with Team Britain and therefore only ignored the other 6 counties that took part in the EUROPEAN victory. Idiot.
07 Oct 2010 19:35:06
We played Blackpool not Blackburn some game you were meant to be watching also lay off Carra it's skrtel and the Greek that need to go carra's experience is incredible even to have him on bench but still needs to play to blood young defenders in Terry is much more slower than him. It's his partners that have him too exposed we need someone like Arne friedrich also think arda and Elia are both needed along with banega and Antonio Lopez wat you think ed {ed's note - I would love to see Banega join us, but not sure about the rest. I do agree on Skrtel and Kyrgiakos being at fault more than Carra.}
07 Oct 2010 19:34:30
Apologies for what is going to be a long post, but i have had enough of listening to people going on about Rafa's transfers this and Rafa transfers that.
So decided to do a little digging.
Torres cost 20.2 m (must be worth 40m +) +18
Aquilani cost 20m (should recoup 12m + -8
Keane cost 19m sold 15m -5
Mascherano cost 18m sold 18m 0
Johnson cost 18m (worth 10m) -8
Babbel cost 11.5m (worth 8m) -3.5
Alonso cost 11m sold 30m +19
Kuyt cost 9m (worth 10m +) +1
Riera cost 8m sold 5m -3
Dossena cost 7m sold 3.8m -3.2
Crouch cost 7m sold 11m +4
Lucas cost 7m (worth 4m max) -3
Pennant cost 7m FREE -7
Skrtel cost 6.5m (worth 8m +) +1.5
Reina cost 6m (worth 20m at least) +14
Garcia cost 6m sold 4m -2
Bellamy cost 6m sold 7.5m +1.5
Agger cost 6m (worth 10m +) +4
Sissoko cost 5.5m sold 8m +2.5
Morientes cost 5.5m sold 3m -2.5
Benayoun cost 5m sold 6.5m +1.5
Cavalieri cost 4m sold 1.2m -2.8
Arbeloa cost 2.5m sold 3.5m +1
Leto cost 2.5m sold 5m +2.5
Josemi cost 2m Swapped for Kromcamp
Kromcamp sold for 2m 0
Paletta cost 2m UNDISCLOSED -2
Shelvey cost 2m (worth 5m +) +3
Gonzalez cost 1.5m sold 3.5m +2
Ngog cost 1.5m (worth 4m +) +2.5
Kyrgiakos cost 1.5m (worth 0) -1.5
Carson cost 750k sold 4m +3
San Jose cost 270k sold 2.5m +2
Martin cost 250k UNDISCLOSED -0.25
Barragan 240k sold 680k +0.25
Idrizaj 190k UNDISCLOSED -0.25
Hobbs 150k UNDISCLOSED -0.25
Cooper 100k (worth 0) 0
Kacaniklic 75k UNDISCLOSED 0
Maxi FREE (worth 4m) +4
Degen FREE (worth 1m) +1
Buchtmann FREE sold 100k 0
Aurelio FREE (worth 1m) +1
Voronin FREE sold 2m +2
Most of the other players he purchased were undisclosed fee's or free transfers.
However, he did raise an additional 48m through the sale of Houllier players such as Owen, Baros, Cisse, Riise, Diouf, Kirkland, Sinama-Pongolle, Murphy, Guthrie, Traore, Diarra, Warnock, Mellor and Potter.
Now by my calculations he raised 85m more than he spent. That includes current valuations, but only of players he purchased, the likes of Gerrard and Carragher aren't in there. Nor are kids who have come through the academy on the edge of the squad. The likes of Pacheco aren't included either as fee was undisclosed.
Maybe now we can have people shut up about he wasting 250m on players. He turned a profit on a lot of his buys. Was the squad he left us better than the Houllier squad? Most would say no. However, Alonso was a huge part of that 05 Istanbul team, as was Garcia on the way to the final.
I am not blinkered Rafa made some dreadful purchases, however he clearly didn't have 250m to spend did he?
ChrisE
07 Oct 2010 19:34:18
Very happy with the proposed takeover, however let's not forget we currently have a s* t manager who has been losing the plot since the season began, who also rates himself as a top coach. Would you trust Roy with millions to spend on 6 world class players?
Tactically worse than Raffa, our best defender Agger warms the bench, buys Raul as a Partner for Gerrard and plays him on the wing, buys Poooolson enough said, Konchesky headless we already have better younger players than that waste of space, follows in Raffas footsteps and oh guess what goes into a new season without a back up quality striker for Torres, carrys on playing Girls World Johnson at the back who is too busy braiding his hair in the middle of a game.
If reports are to be believed it won't take these new owners long to work out what a clown Roy is.
2 x strikers, 2 x wingers right and left, 1 x leftback and 1 x centreback is what we need to be a force again!
Does everyone agree!
Red AK1
07 Oct 2010 19:11:37
GREAT WEEK WOW!
LFC rid of Yank owners and ENGLAND win the Ryder Cup!
Congrats to the 3 muskateers and Congrats to Monty and all TEAM ENGLAND! !
07 Oct 2010 19:08:20
"N.E.S.V will do for liverpool what they did for the red sox, they will check for the rot and the deadwood throughout the team and staff to identify the problems, no one will be beyond scrutiny and they will replace the whole team if needed, in fact anything to make liverpool the great winning force we used to be, and fools they are not and big names won't phase them as they want to create a team that has the right mentality not just a list of high priced individuals who won't gel."
This is just assumption. They might change the board around a bit, but there is no way they're going to make the changes to the playing staff. If they did I would be a bit worried because they probably know about as much about football as I know about baseball, nothing.
They are here to provide the funds for some transfers, and a new stadium/ expansion, not pick the team. While doing this they will sell our brand as much as possible to make money. Don't fool yourself thinking we'll be title contenders next season, it will take a couple years of steady investment before we're back with the big boys.
If they are true to their word, and we have a good manager leading us, we'll get back there.
07 Oct 2010 19:02:50
To whoever said: "We can only hope and pray Hicks wins the court case. . ."
Do you mean the court case to be allowed to undergo euthanasia?
RHI
07 Oct 2010 18:57:05
Guys, the following things HAVE to happen, it's no use putting them off or ignoring them. I have supported the club for 36 years, and seen the (then) best defender in the world retire (leading to the long decline) I have seen the systematic mismanagement of the club starting with Dalglish and continuing with Souness, and then only momentarily checked by Roy Evans. Benitez was the greatest enigma ever at our club. He definitely improved the squad, no question. He won a CL with a team of numpties with 1 or 2 stars, he terrified Chelsea for years, until Xabi left, it was a decent upward progression. .but OMG, the transfers and teams sometimes.
1. Jamie Carragher has to be dropped. Jamie mate, you were always a tryer, and we know you love the club, but the Queen Mary turns quicker, and that is just not good enough.
2. Johnson is not a defender, but he does all his good work up the park, so, let's send him up there full time, and get a right back that can defend. Harry did it with Bale.
3. Break the bank to bring Xabi back.
4. Dalglish loves the club, but his record at Liverpool with being left a decent squad and buying tripe, and taking over from Keegan and doing an appalling job at Newcastle is scary. He was a hell of a player, but a manager? Not proven for sure.
5. Lucas, just go please. Now.
6. Stick N'Gog on the wing. This lightweight is so bad at holding the ball, he's a liability, so as Henry made the transition from wing to forward, do the reverse. .chuck him out on the left for a few games to see if he can perform, otherwise loan him out for 3 years until he can hold a ball up more than once a game.
7. Give Babel a run in the middle, or give Jovanovich a run in the middle, just give Torres some more support than N'Gog does, he is awful tbh.
8. Give Agger a decent run. He is the first footballer we have had as centre half since Hansen, and that is what we really need. I was at the Blackburn game on Sunday, and so many times Kyrgiakos and Carragher were pressurised because they did not have the confidence in their own passing ability to find Meireles or Gerrard. Flowing football starts at the back, opposing teams are concentrating on Carra as a weak link because of his inability to change feet or make a decision.
The simple fact is we do not need many players, this is essentially the team that should have won the championship 2 years ago. in fact with Johnson we arguably strengthened the squad. We need Xabi back, pure and simple.
07 Oct 2010 18:46:20
We can only hope and pray Hicks wins the court case.
He is fighting for LFCs future against 3 greedy selfish business men.
07 Oct 2010 18:45:44
N.E.S.V will do for liverpool what they did for the red sox, they will check for the rot and the deadwood throughout the team and staff to identify the problems, no one will be beyond scrutiny and they will replace the whole team if needed, in fact anything to make liverpool the great winning force we used to be, and fools they are not and big names won't phase them as they want to create a team that has the right mentality not just a list of high priced individuals who won't gel.
my cousin allan has lived in boston for 11 years now and watches the redsox from time to time and tells me the atmosphere is amazing and said N.E.S.V are the real deal!
y.n.w.a
07 Oct 2010 18:43:38
Well if jose want lohnson that bad then i would swap him for arbeloa and 5 mill and i believe we will have the best bargain of the two why did we ever sell arbeloa for he was reliable never a prima dona or moaning just got on with his job. with the new owners expectedt o come in i would say we need at least 4 players but they could be funded by departures of said players
OUTS
BABEL-10M
KUYT-10M
AQUA-14M
JOVA-8M
LUCAS-7M
POULSON-4M
JOHNSON-P-EX &5M
SOTO-2M
DEADWOOD-10-15M
TOTAL-70-75M
INS
ARBELOA-P-EX
DEFOUR-10M
MATA-15M
SANCHEZ-15M
SAUREZ-20M
FORLAN-12M
CAHILL-15M
TAIWO-FREE/ 7M
TOTAL-94M {ed's note - you may as well forget Arbeloa, he was always desperate to return to Spain, hence his sale.}
07 Oct 2010 18:40:48
I know ed i wouldn't use the sun as toilet papper but he said that they were quiet positive. for me they can't ever make up for the lies they wrote all those years ago, before i was even born in fact.
07 Oct 2010 18:25:01
On behalf of all reds fans I wish to convey my heartfelt thanks to the board members namely Mr Broughton, Purslow and Ayre for their commitment and hard work in giving us what they promised and also in ousting the two inept idiots out of anfield with a considerable lost.
I also wish to say to all red fans not to worry as the two inept idiots will not be able to take control of our beloved club even if they win the court case as NESV company will buy the depts from RBS and will humiliate the two mother f* * *s.
07 Oct 2010 18:21:15
1 of the lads at work today bought the sun today and for once it was not so bad, they even referred to broughton, purslow and ayre as the 3 musketeers. i think that is quiet fair, they all seem to have done a great job. alot of people on here should be eating there word after all the negative comments regerding them. now after the takeover news, some of the 'new' transfer targets are getting odd. i don't really rate dzeko. now as for players i would like to see, taiwo, banega, mata/ elia/ turan, bent.
ed i wish we had bought davies instead of keane but i would still love to see him in red how much do you think bolton would want for him and would roy go for him.
always a red {ed's note - please don't quote that rag on here mate. I would think Bolton would sell Davies for between 3 and 6 million, maybe even take some of our dross of our hands in return for him with a bit of luck.}
07 Oct 2010 18:16:49
The player I would love to see us go for Ed( Jan Vertonghen) of Ajax. I think he is in the last year of his contract. He would be a great left back.or holding midfielder for us.A quality player for the future. I think Barcelona are after him so we have got no chance.
07 Oct 2010 18:16:20
Liverpool to sign mata for 15m and maybe forlan for about 15m - 18m (if not kiessling or gomez). we also need a solid, reliable rb, m richards or arbeloa. it was foolish to let arbleoa go as he was a solid defender, he might not hav scored goals but he helped us keep them out which is the main thing.
E.H LFC
07 Oct 2010 18:15:51
RE:-
Well that's been the case of every manager since Kenny or we wouldn't be waiting 20 years for a league title but Rafa did take us to 2nd & very unlucky 2nd at that!
True, but he also squarely laid the blame on anyone but himself when things didn't go right, Houllier before him at least had more dignity,
and won more trophies, and also No-one had nowhere near the money Rafa had!
07 Oct 2010 18:10:29
07 Oct 2010 15:46:11
Just heard that Messi and Kaka are big red socks fans and it will be there dream to play for the owners. Expect them to sign in january.
What happens when we have to wear our away kit then? Our away gear don't have red socks, could be the stumbling block in the deal me thinks, , feck sake, , always something aint it :(
07 Oct 2010 18:04:22
Now that " Times they are a changing " as Dylan once sang I think that a full structure change throughout is now badly needed throughout especially in the backroom staff which is prodominently forgien - reserves and youths - .
I think the likes of Steve Heighway should be brought back to the acadamy to find future players for the club and most importantly give them a chance to shie like we did with Robbie and Michael.
Steve was only left go when he started to disagree with RAFA on youth selection
What you think ED. .
TrueRed73 . . .
I know that he would like to return to the club and is still living in Liverpool the city he always loved. . . .
07 Oct 2010 18:02:45
This is probably my 10th post and not 1 has ever been posted this is ment to be a social forum for lfc fans yet the same old people are getting there posts posted all the time! most people are on here posting crap about who we are going to by and who we are going to sell, yet we really don't know if this sale will go through, anyone care to enlighten me please? ?
bengibwelshscouse
07 Oct 2010 17:47:42
Forget mata elia from hamburg is the man we need
07 Oct 2010 17:47:35
Glen Johnson is a fantastic wing back but not a full back. if he played under roy evens with the wing backs he would thrive however, he is just too unreliable as a full back. Maybe roy should consider a change in tactics so as to untilise his best players in their most effective positions. this squad is not great but its alot better than blackpools etc so i blame roys tactics
Glen Johnson came to us for the money. He is suppose to be a defender, but he can't defend to save his life. He great going forward, but he's a defender. Our problem is not Roy's tastics, but are players are just not good enough.
On the day Blackpool were by far the better team all over the pitch, they play with passion something we have not done in years and they were good to watch. When was the last time you could say that we were good to watch? We have 7 or 8 players who are not good enough and the second string are no better. The investment has to be huge to get back top 6 football.
Reality fRed
07 Oct 2010 17:39:04
My Ma has just got back to Madrid, said she was sick of us all chattin of him comin over ere so thought she would take a pan of flask of scouse over an have a chat with the lad. After they exchanged 'olas' an he got his scran down him he said he would be proud to wear the Liverbird on his chest an if an offer came in he would jump at the chance to plat in front of the Kop.
Ta Ma.
Spriggo
07 Oct 2010 17:31:21
Ed, if you had 50-60m to spend in January or in the summer, who would be your first three targets and why?
Here's Hoping {ed's note - I feel like I am repeating myself here but I would buy Keisuke Honda. He is top class in almost every single position on the pitch, particularly three of our weak areas - left back, left midfield/wing and striker. Alexis Sanchez, because he could provide pace and trickery on the wings. Kevin Davies, big and strong and a perfect foil for Torres who can also help teach Ngog a bit about holding up the ball. He may be getting on a bit but his experience would be great and enable us to blood more youngsters with him on the pitch. How about yourself?}
07 Oct 2010 17:26:55
To the guy that said
jovanovic (worst free signing ever!)
ever heard of degen or vorinin?
Dan
07 Oct 2010 17:20:15
Rafa bought and sold to the tune of £380M; he won the Champions league on a shoot out and the FA Cup on a shoot out. He wasted money like it grew on trees and his lack of transfer savvy has got Liverpool in a right mess. H&G gave him money to spend and what did he buy; Torres was class before he came. most of his buys wouldn't get a game for Blackpool. He is without doubt the most over-rated manager in our history and thank god he's gone; never to return.
RealityfRed
07 Oct 2010 17:19:20
With regards to Rafa and the £250 million, it doesn't matter how much was generated by sales, the 'Fact' is more players didn't work out than those that did, and some players should have stayed, especially Alonso, to even think Barry was anywhere near as good, just shows what a person Rafa could be!
Well that's been the case of every manager since Kenny or we wouldn't be waiting 20 years for a league title but Rafa did take us to 2nd & very unlucky 2nd at that!
07 Oct 2010 17:16:55
Glen Johnson is a fantastic wing back but not a full back. if he played under roy evens with the wing backs he would thrive however, he is just too unreliable as a full back. Maybe roy should consider a change in tactics so as to untilise his best players in their most effective positions. this squad is not great but its alot better than blackpools etc so i blame roys tactics
07 Oct 2010 17:15:33
@ 07 Oct 2010 13:34:15 someone wrote - "With the club plunged in crisis, Liverpool fans will not welcome the breaking news today that Glen Johnson is preparing for a move to Spain!"
Where will he walk his dog? and has he said his goodbyes to Jimmy?
SMf
07 Oct 2010 17:13:27
Arsene Wenger will be gutted to find out he's spent £150 million on transfers, regardless of the source! !
07 Oct 2010 16:53:19
The over 35 crowd that remembers what we were all about and the under 35 crowd that grew up on video games and fantasy football.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
I get your point but age is not the issue, its patience and your view on the game.
I am 22, but I am realistic about how the club should be run, and how a team should be built.
Liverpool football club is a tradition, a piece of history but firstly a business. In my eyes the new owners should appoint a young manager, e.g. Jürgen Klinsmann, DiMattao (who i know one of the Eds have suggested) and let them build the team. Stability is the main problem at the moment, dare I say it, look at Utd and the Gunners. Both have that and have won trophies.
Big money does not have to be spent straight away we still have good players but most importantly youth, which the club should now put emphasis on.
I agree that some on this site do not share our thoughts and that's their own opinion.
Realistic Red.
YNWA
07 Oct 2010 16:44:23
Should we be satisfied with the forthcoming owners or will any asian bid will be more profitable.? ? ED??
{Editor's Note: A bid has been accepted. Subject to legal attempts to change this by Hicks, it will go through.}
07 Oct 2010 16:44:11
I Dont agree when fans say rafa had 250 million to spend and wasted it total bought 229 million total sold 151 million net spend 78 million over average 16 million a season if you consider that include 14 million for cisse who was a houlier buy the yanks gave rafa 32 million net for transfers and that's a fact Every manager makes mistakes in the transfer market. i think Rafa gets bad press on transfers. Considering money we got for riera insua mascherano and yossi not included in that net Rafa ended up costing the club nothing in is transfer dealings. fact.
07 Oct 2010 16:41:07
If Roy would play Johnson as a right winger and buy a really good right back then there wouldn't be a problem, maybe even give Darby a chance.
07 Oct 2010 16:37:41
So I'd imagine the side would line up like:
- - - - - - - - - - Reina- - - - - - - - - -
Johnson- -Carragher- - - -Agger- - - - Aurelio
- - - - - - Muntari- - - Meireles- - - - - - -
Cole- - - - - - - -Gerrard- - - - - - - -Young
- - - - - - - - - -Torres- - - - - - - - - - -
Problem is when Cole was signed he was told he would play centrally, not on the wing, so I don't see that happening, among other things in your scenario.
07 Oct 2010 16:36:55
With regards to Rafa and the £250 million, it doesn't matter how much was generated by sales, the 'Fact' is more players didn't work out than those that did, and some players should have stayed, especially Alonso, to even think Barry was anywhere near as good, just shows what a person Rafa could be!
I was enthusiastic about Hodgson at first, with the way things have been going, I've lost the plot a little and questioned whether he should be there or note (I spit my dummy out when we lose! ), and there are some players who shouldn't be there, but the team needs us to back them, and hopefully if the latest turn of events work out, new optimism and confidence will hit the club at all levels!
El Diablo!
07 Oct 2010 16:34:08
For every goal or assist Johnson provides, he's as fault for 2 the other end. He looks all over the shop at times. . For a decent return I'd let him go.
I totally agree. .but like others have said. .he just isn't a defender. .move him forward on to the wing where he plays best, move Kuyt to behind Torres and Gerrard behind them. We are buying too many players and playing them in the wrong positions. Kuyt was a forward and a goal poacher he plays right wing, Babbel was a forward and plays left wing. Hell knows where Jovanic thinks he plays. The defence is showing signs of age at the heart. Poulson is basically Lucas standard. Cole & Merieles seem to be the only signings that are any note.
Surely any manager can see Johnson is not a defender. .he has pace and can cross a ball and its what Liverpool have needed for a long long time! Play him on the WING! !
Red Dunx
07 Oct 2010 16:32:53
Ed I've been reading the posts & in one you reply that deal won't go through for at least a few months. I'm guessing this is your opinion & you've not got a contact providing you with the information.
Personally I think it'll be done & dusted next week. 3 against 2 in favour of bid, legally binding contract which was signed by owners, court will throw this out in a flash!
Also there's nothing stoping new owners buying the debt off the banks, then calling it in off the current owners. They can effectively kick H&G out on their ass! !
Gav the red
07 Oct 2010 16:15:54
As soon as word of a new owner spings up then i see the rumours of mata etc circulating again. I think january may see a marque signing to state intent from the owners to the fans, however, these are guys who like to build solid foundations so overpriced players with little or no sell on value ie Villa etc won't be on the menu. this is a long term project and not something that will accelerate at the pace of man city etc. keep the faith and once we get back to where we belong we will be in a position to sustain it.
07 Oct 2010 16:12:20
If a new car costs you £15000 but you have an old car to trade in worth £5000! How much have you spent? £15000 or £10000? Rafa didn't spend £250 million or anywhere near it. But you are right that money will not be thrown at our problem yet I would expect a modest amount to be made available don't you think?
Ps These new guys do seem to have a good business track record, but they are still in it for a profit! Maybe over a ten year plan & at least we might the new stadium or redevelopment that's required.
The Irish Rover
{Editor's Note: The bottom line is that Rafa spent £250M or more - regardless of the source of that money.}
Well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!
The Irish Rover
07 Oct 2010 16:07:57
Hicks is adement on breaking our hearts. Saying that he has blocked the deal and it won't go through. I just hope broughton had a copy of his contract saved. Im really worried about it now.
07 Oct 2010 15:57:29
News!
Hicks wants to recoupe valuable money and is prepared to play dirty. This includes sales of assets. Torres and others could go cheaper than value in a secret golden handshake deal.
When they leave we will feel the tremors
07 Oct 2010 15:57:05
If NESV do become the new owners of Liverpool and adopt the business model they have used on the Red Sox, we can expect quality young players and a building process to take some time. But, give it 3-5 years and we'll soon be back and challenging for silverware again.
In: Contreao, Van Der Wiel, Hangeland, Honda, Mata, Hazard, Turan & Dzeko.
Out: Johnson, Babel, Insua, Lucas, Jovanovic, Kuyt, Skrtel, Maxi, Poulsen, Itandje.
07 Oct 2010 15:54:08
{Editor's Note: The £1B ish figure is the value of NESV.}
i make my question simple, does the £500m of Henry included in the £1B?
{Editor's Note: Henry is simply the head of NESV - the offer is accepted from them, not him.}
07 Oct 2010 15:53:43
Allrite ed, what do you think ill happen with the takeover mate?
west midlander red
regular poster
{Editor's Note: You need to look back down the page for my thoughts.}
07 Oct 2010 15:45:04
BREAKING NEWS! ! !
My mate's Mum went to America on Vacation about 4 years ago. She said the Yonks are lovely people.
Liverpool to finish 4th this year
07 Oct 2010 15:36:13
{Editor's Note: I am astounded that there seems to be such a significant push against the proposed new owners by many of the fans. Some because they are American, and others because they are unlikely to fund the £200M that a number of fans think needs to be spent on new players. Rafa spent £250M or more on players and that did not give us success; Real Madrid have spent even more than that recently and that did not buy success; Manchester City have broken all records with their spending and that has not provided them with success yet. There were two bids for the club - this one was accepted over the other as it made better provision for the future of the club - which was what Martin Broughton was tasked with. I fail to see what other options exist beyond the extention of facilities to Hicks & Gillett.}
If a new car costs you £15000 but you have an old car to trade in worth £5000! How much have you spent? £15000 or £10000? Rafa didn't spend £250 million or anywhere near it. But you are right that money will not be thrown at our problem yet I would expect a modest amount to be made available don't you think?
Ps These new guys do seem to have a good business track record, but they are still in it for a profit! Maybe over a ten year plan & at least we might the new stadium or redevelopment that's required.
The Irish Rover
{Editor's Note: The bottom line is that Rafa spent £250M or more - regardless of the source of that money.}
07 Oct 2010 15:31:48
Just seem Tom Hick's on the King's Road, do you think he's going to meet his only friend Harry Redknapp and put in an offer for Spurs? Seem Harry would like a new boss, they can do dodgy deals together then the Rat's
John YNWA
07 Oct 2010 15:28:30
Hicks and Gillett are seemingly making one last effort to keep Liverpool Fc. In a last desperate throw of the dice, Hicks called Ocean Finance yesterday and a transcript of the call has been leaked.
Ocean: Hello Ocean Finance, we're the lender who will always lend, how can we help today?
Hicks: Hi, my name is Tom Hicks and I'm looking to consolidate my debts and raise extra finance.
Ocean: Well you've certainly come to the right place.
Hicks: That sounds great, well I'm looking for a loan in the region of 300 million pounds and need it quickly. I heard if you agree a loan then it's in your bank the next working day, is that right?
Ocean: Erm, yes Mr Hicks but that's a very large amount. What is the loan for?
Hicks: I have a business in Liverpool and need to pay off some bank debts. It's a soccer franchise, the world's greatest soccer franchise.
Ocean: Ok and how does your business make money, what are your income streams?
Hicks: We make money when our customers come to watch the games we play. We sell them seats in our stadium and we're the greatest supported soccer franchise in the world. We have a waiting list of people who want to come and watch the games.
Ocean: Fantastic, so you sell out your seats for every game you play?
Hicks: Erm, well we've been hit by the recession and games on Thursday nights when there's a lot on in Liverpool apparently. Our customer base is very loyal to us, they wave banners with my name on at every game and shout chants about me. I can't work out what they say because of these regional accents they have but it's encouraging.
Ocean: Oh, well what about any other income streams. How else does a soccer franchise make money?
Hicks: A franchise get's bonuses each time it wins a trophy. We get the biggest bonuses when we expand into Europe and also bonuses when we come top of the pile of UK franchises. We're the most successful team at this in the UK.
Ocean: Great, we may be on to something here. How many of these bonuses have you collected in the last 3 years?
Hicks: Erm, none but we have won an awful lot in the past and it's only a matter of time. We've changed our manager and got some new high performing employees so this year could absolutely be our year.
Ocean: Ok, that sounds optimistic. How are your new employees doing so far this year?
Hicks: We got a brilliant young offensive star called Joey Cole. He is one of the best and every other franchise wanted him, he scores goals and makes assists aplenty. We had to pay £80,000 a week to get him but he'll pay that back by helping us win the trophy bonuses.
Ocean: Ok, it's always good to have the best employees. How many of these goals and assists has this gentleman made for you so far?
Hicks: It appears he hasn't made any yet but it's only a matter of time. He's one of the best players in the world, our chief employee Mr Gerrard said he is.
Ocean: Can you tell me what security you can offer for a loan. What are your major assets?
Hicks: Well, we have a young man called Fernando Torres who is worth 70 million pounds. He is the world's greatest offensive star and scores more goals than anyone.
Ocean: That's impressive. I take it he was top scorer in your franchise league last year and is getting the goals for you this year?
Hicks: Well last year was difficult as players like Darren Bent had fantastic years but Fernando has so far scored a goal against West Brom who are a top level franchise.
Ocean: I'm going to have to speak to my superior Mr Hicks. I have your details and don't feel you need to contact us, we'll contact you.
Blair Mayne YNWA
07 Oct 2010 15:25:05
07 Oct 2010 15:02:26
With things finally looking a bit brighter for the reds, i think its time we started up the aguero rumours once more so here goes:
Aguero to Liverpool in January for £28m + jovanovic (worst free signing ever!)
Trust me this is from a reliable source.
Sir Martin
P.S david villa and silva both struggling to settle at new clubs so expect a double deal to go through on jan 31st. They're both reds fans etc. etc. .
You heard it hear first.
(( i feel voronin is on par wi th jovanovic on their quality and as the worst free tranfers ever. Has anyone realised that when they first both joined they were starting the first 5 or six games and from then on they only come o. As a sub.
Also with the new owners they could use our sponsor standard chartered as the bank for the normal working company debt.
Aguero must join us . And is freinds with torres. Torres knows his quality And will defo stay .
We must get rid of hodgson. I cannot trust him with 50 mill or summin like that . Hell end upgetting 5 10mill plAyers instead of 2 25mill players
What happens if the unlikly event that hicks refinances would gillet sell his 50% to NESV.
ed any ideas?
5Harryredsox:)
{Editor's Note: If there is a refinancing it has to cover the debt which would cover Hicks and Gillett.}
07 Oct 2010 15:23:12
NESV taking over the club will be an excellent move. I live in American and im also an avid baseball fan and the guys in charge of the red sox do not mess around. When they need a player or 2 around the trade dealine they typically get their man, whatever it takes to make the team better and compete for a championship. A few years a go they signed a japanese pitcher, Diasuke Matsuzaka straight out of japan and paid some ridiculous fee like 50 million US just to go into negotiations with him then forked over another 100 million on his contract. this off season they signed big time free agent john lackey to a 100 million dollar contract. so trust me these guys are class and WANT to win. they have no problem spalshing the cash if they feel the team needs it and will benefit from it
07 Oct 2010 15:22:48
Ed, i feel the takeover will be completed by the end of nxt week what you think?
{Editor's Note: That would be nice. Hopefully it will be.}
07 Oct 2010 15:21:50
ED, i have something to ask you. i rad some article saying that NESV's market value is about GBP900million. then, NESV is consist of 17 "members" or 17 "company"? Does the GBP900million included the asset of the members or asset of the owners of the companies themself? Or it is just the market value of the "NESV" but not include the money of the members or owners? My english is not good, but hope Ed can understand what an i talking. for example: NEw YORk times market value is 10million, but the owner of the NEw York times may have asset of 100000million. do you understand what i want to ask? so th market value of NESv is GBP900million. but the each members of the NESV may have 30m each plus the asset of John W Henry GBP500m, so add up together;market value of NESV GBP900million(market value of NESV may base on the value of nascar, Boston Red Sox and so on) +500m(asset of HENRY)+16*30m(asset of each members)=it is almost 1.9billion. any thought, ed?
{Editor's Note: The £1B ish figure is the value of NESV.}
07 Oct 2010 15:15:31
07 Oct 2010 14:27:38
For every goal or assist Johnson provides, he's as fault for 2 the other end. He looks all over the shop at times. . For a decent return I'd let him go.
DD
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WE MUST GET THE £18M BACK ATLEAST.
{Editor's Note: I can't see anyone paying that much.}
07 Oct 2010 15:13:29
Is there any chance of a second interested party coming in with an increased bid within the next week and gazumping the winning bid of the Americans from New England, perhaps going straight to H&G?
{Editor's Note: It is possible.}
07 Oct 2010 15:10:32
Meanwhile, back on the pitch. . . I would love to know what Kuyts goals to games ratio is if you count the games he scored when playing as an out and out striker (not on the right side), must be good. I feel sorry for the guy, he does a job on the right cause he's asked to but is no winger or midfielder.
07 Oct 2010 15:00:11
I honestly would be afraid of seeing Johnson go as a decent replacement could be costly.With us Liverpool fans he's under the microscope and every mistake is seen whereas most of us only see highlights of other players & every player looks great in highlights. Many previous posters have suggested pushing Johnson forward which I personally think is a role he would relish in. Just a few thoughts.
Adam red sox
07 Oct 2010 14:56:19
Editor's Note: I am asstounded that there seems to be such a significant push against the proposed new owners by many of the fans. Some because they are American, and others because they are unlikely to fund the £200M that a number of fans think needs to be spent on new players. Rafa spent £250M or more on players and that did not give us success; Real Madrid have spent even more than that recently and that did not buy success; Manchester City have broken all records with their spending and that has not provided them with success yet. There were two bids for the club - this one was accepted over the other as it made better provision for the future of the club - which was what Martin Broughton was tasked with. I fail to see what other options exist beyond the extention of facilities to Hicks & Gillett.}
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Ed, I think people on here criticising the new owners are just venting their frustration and caution, which I can in some ways understand. After 3 years of being misled and lied to by our American owners we are sold to other American owners, who are not what people expected. The new owners will run this as a business and not a play thing as in other clubs, but some shallow fans cannot see that this is the best way forward for the club in the long term, if the new owners fulfill all that they have suggested. I myself am not 100% on these guys but I am willing to trust the board and their decision and I am prepared to give them a chance.
I hope that the new owners are in place before the Everton game as it should give the whole team and manager a lift and we can start to string some results together. The league is still quite compact and a couple of wins can but us back in contention.
Remember the Tinkerbell Effect
All could be well soon
Fabian Treezle
07 Oct 2010 14:54:25
Hello ED. I think it's time to add a feature to not only your site but also the official LFC site too. Verifiable proof of age. I cannot believe there is so much stick being given to the new potential owners. I think that there are 2 sets of LFC supporters. The over 35 crowd that remembers what we were all about and the under 35 crowd that grew up on video games and fantasy football. We have accepted a bid from a group that specialise in Sports investment and promotion, and their track record in all of their ventures are outstanding. Top 2 baseball franchise, No 1 Nascar racing team, Quality sports network in New England and so on. John Henry is loved in Boston and he and his group are as savvy as they come. Clearing our debts and using the money that is servicing these interest payments puts us a top 2/ 3 most profitable club in the EPL. If we follow the Arsenal model we will be financially fit for ever. A stadium will only increase our revenue but with the tradition at Anfield similar to Fenway, maybe it's worth looking at redeveloping our sacred home. If we did a poll i'd bet the over 35's want Anfield and the under 35 want Stanley Park. Either way a stadium finance does not load debt on the club as this debt is easily serviceable with the increase in revenue it brings and the asset it provides us.Spending 50 Mill on players and wages that do not live up to their value(Aqua, Johnson, Keane, etc) can cost us more in the long run as others see LFC as desperate and inflate the value of potential signings. LFC should never make money on selling players like they did Alonso. World class players stay here until LFC decide they aren't good enough anymore and then they allow them to move on, on their terms or they retire i.e Didi, Sami. We're a buying club not a selling club. We will be great again and we will challenge again but it may take a year or 2. I'd hate to see us like Citeh and announce a net loss of 122 mill. Yesterday they(citeh) said they did 10 years worth of spending in 18 months and will limit spending going forward to 50 mill a year. their problem is their wage bill. Who would pay Adebayor his 140K a week in the premiership. no one. so he's untouchable to us and others here as I don't think he'll take a 70K pay cut. Staying within our means and doing things the Liverpool way is the road we must travel and with that we need time. But with the right custodians (we have them) glory days are set to return.We need a couple of new players, we need 1 striker and a left winger/ midfielder. Please lay off with the negative sentiment toward the new owners. Getting rid of the Yankee cowboys is what we wanted but we need to row in behind Henry and Co.
Built By Shanks, Destroyed by W* ks, Rebuilt by Yanks. YNWA
07 Oct 2010 14:54:24
Who gives a f*ck what players we sign. . .they arnt going to be mega names but as long as they are players that the Manager wants and he can mould a team he wants then that's good enough for me. Hodgeson has had a lot of stick after a handful of games, the man is a Manager for a reason, let the bloke do his job and let's see what happens. We can definitely improve our performances and who knows, if he gets it right or finds a way to string wins together things will look very different. I understand you chattin names and positions and all that for players but the man knows better than all of us that's why he was given the job. Give him time and let the players do what they do best and let us do what we do best and get behind them.
O'Neills Firelids
07 Oct 2010 14:52:07
Comrades!
Please get off the backs of the potential new owners (I say potential because until a Judge rubber stamps it anything could happen). We are going to have to give them the benefit of the doubt and it's going to have to be for 2-3 years. If after that things are still bad then bitch away by all means.
Personally, I think Broughton has over the last few days done a magnificent job of standing up to Dumb & Dumber.
RED LENIN
07 Oct 2010 14:45:52
"07 Oct 2010 14:19:37
RE: multi billionaire sugar daddy
Me personally, i would rater see a arsenal style set-up at liverpool, but we havnt got 10 years for that youth to happen. While we win leagues + cups with great manager.
Or see huge profit and spending like man-u through owning the largest stadium in english football. The reason they been so successful is because of size of stadium, which meant they could buy better players and estbilsh man-u name world-wide at the expense of lfc 70'+80 success.
Chelsea, man-city + billionare sugar daddies have taken our position in the league. we no longer can compete with them. Champions league football is worth 114m a year to lfc in tv+cup-money.
Then Tottenham and Aston Villa are in front of us for c+l football. We need martin o'neil at the club."
Any chance you/ anyone knowledgeable on the matter could let me know where you got that figure for CL inclusion? I didn't think it was that much.
07 Oct 2010 14:35:40
"07 Oct 2010 12:59:50
Your missing the point, if you fail to spend now you could get relegated, if you stay up, which I think you will, player prices will rise so spending now makes good buissness sense, if that's ignorance then that's what I am, but you know that large investment in players is seriously needed to get you back into the top four, and medium investment to get you into the top10, is that being ignorant.Blue Boy"
Well i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then. I don't think anything other than minimal investment in January, including players sales, a team buoyed by a more positive atmosphere around the club and some tinkering is needed to easily gain a top 10 finish. Heavy investment mid season rarely does much other than destabilise as it ultimately takes time for new players to gel, which is why i think large-scale changes such as wishlists including 7/ 8 players is always a bit fanciful and would likely be counter productive.
07 Oct 2010 14:27:28
To the chap who wrote this
These Boston guys won't spend money on players. . . . . QUOTE On November 14, the Boston Red Sox won the bidding rights to Matsuzaka with a bid of $51, 111, 111.11, outbidding the Texas Rangers, New York Mets, . . . . . tight arses eh?
I live and work in the States and what you have to put into context is that these are Baseball people, not Soccer, sorry Football people. $51M equates to about £32M, They structure deals in the states in a different way and gain sponsorship deals from State business or sports firms etc, based on who they want to buy to finance the deals. The rules are different to that in the UK and they rarely risk there own money. If they don't get enough sponsorship, they either buy lesser players and try and develop them or they don't buy at all. Also in the states there is a cap on how much you can spend. They buy into teams purely for financial gain and as a profit making machine for them. Most teams are successful off the pitch more so than on and the profit goes back to the owners and shareholders directly.
It works here very well for Baseball, but as for LFC, I would have a lot of reservations regarding how they will finance the whole deal and whether at the end of the day you any better off. Put it this way, as a Red, I don't think much of the deal at all.
USAred
07 Oct 2010 14:27:28
RE: And yet some people still want the h*llSh* p promises of money etc. I prefer straight talking myself.
Well whats the pint, if we going to be resigned to the history as that team that won something in 80's. We will be fighting with likes west-ham for league-cup or f.a cup and mid-table finishes every season. Big clubs need big investment at top-level
{Editor's Note: It is getting pretty tedious your repeated posts saying that Liverpool need vast amounts of money spent on players. It is not going to happen.}
07 Oct 2010 14:22:39
Perosonally on the Glenn Johnson thing. The mail have blown this storie wayyyyy out of control. He is being taught spanish by his team mates so he can impress them when he comes in and starts speaking spanish.
What reason can you say he has been an outstanding preformer over the past 18 months. The lad is a right back and cannot defend to save his life. Look at the blackpool game he contributed nothing but giving away a penalty. The chap had blagged his way through his career cause he can go forward, 18m ill take there hands off.
Quigz23
YNWA
07 Oct 2010 14:19:58
07 Oct 2010 14:12:48
* Liverpool fans, how big a blow would losing Johnson be?"
None. As a right back he's carp. A complete waste of 18mill. If we could sell him Jan then great. Give Martin Kelly his position
07 Oct 2010 14:19:37
RE: multi billionaire sugar daddy
Me personally, i would rater see a arsenal style set-up at liverpool, but we havnt got 10 years for that youth to happen. While we win leagues + cups with great manager.
Or see huge profit and spending like man-u through owning the largest stadium in english football. The reason they been so successful is because of size of stadium, which meant they could buy better players and estbilsh man-u name world-wide at the expense of lfc 70'+80 success.
Chelsea, man-city + billionare sugar daddies have taken our position in the league. we no longer can compete with them. Champions league football is worth 114m a year to lfc in tv+cup-money.
Then Tottenham and Aston Villa are in front of us for c+l football. We need martin o'neil at the club.
07 Oct 2010 14:11:28
Hicks and Gillet turned all our heads when they came in with promises of money for players and a New Stadium, and look what happened.
NESV are coming in making no such promises, all they are saying is that they will reduce the debt to make Liverpool competitive again and ask us to look at their track record with other teams they own.
And yet some people still want the h*llSh**p promises of money etc. I prefer straight talking myself.
07 Oct 2010 14:11:22
Glen Johnson can go. He is awful in defence and hasn't done much (if at all) going forward. He looks uninterested & tired. Wave in a stable right back who can tighten up the defence. Philipp Lahm come on down.
07 Oct 2010 14:10:32
RE: Roy Hodgson
I can't think of one lfc fan that wanted roy in charge of liverpool in the summer. Everyone thought he was poor choose. He has just gone on to prove how poor he really is as a manager. We need to replace him or replace players on the pitch. Its easier to boost a teams performace by sacking a failing coach.
07 Oct 2010 14:10:08
To the guy posting about Glen Johnson. . £18M for a right back who is good going forward and lousy defending. A bit like A. Cole was several years ago.
I would like to see him play right midfield. Like Harry R did for Gareth Bale at Tottenham.
If he went to Spain he would get slaughtered. They are technically better players and I feel Johnson would have rings played around him.
07 Oct 2010 14:04:28
G-Johnson, Jose Mourinho had big issues with johnsons defending, but it has gotten alot better since being at anfield. He is also a international player now and not a kid. Mourinho had alot of star players at chelsea back then and Johnson acted like baby when he didn't get to play. But i think he has grown up alot, real madrid need a player just like him to aid in attacking moves.
{Editor's Note: Glen Johnson was an England international at Chelsea - under both Raneiri and Mourinho - I am not sure where you are getting your information from but it is incorrect.}
07 Oct 2010 14:03:22
With the new owners and clearing off debts and money be given to roy i think the club is headind in right direction. roy should look at highly rated players like
juan mata
adam johnson
ashley young
sergio aguero
ryan shawcross
michael carrick
and i think michael owen do deserve a chance back. since he left anfiield his career went down hill,
phillip lahm
sale of dead stock
the greek
ngog
lucas
maxi
babel
itandje
torres needs to be fit and give his time to lfc , very bad in all his games so far. if he cannot perform by january sell him. there are good quality strikers out there
our team should look like this after january
reina
(glen johnson) carragher shawcross lahm
young cole gerrard (adam johnson)
torres aguero
07 Oct 2010 14:02:11
To those still questioning whether this is the right move for LFC please take a close look at where we currently are on and off the pitch, how could it be worse to get new owners with a proved track record?
For those who would rather see a multi billionaire sugar daddy, think about it, would we reds really be happy willing the league by throwing huge amounts of money at it like Chelsea did and Man City are trying to do? Their futures are like Blackburns present existence.
For those already calling for Roy Hodgson to be replaced by another manger, we're Liverpool, we give people an opportunity to prove themselves, not fire them at the start of a season.
For any other issues you would like to discuss please see below the Liverpool FC Fan/ Owner/ Director/ Manager/ Player/ Staff manual I've reprinted below:
When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of the lark
Walk on, through the wind
Walk on, through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone
NO MORE TURNING ON OURSELVES, THATS FOR OTHER CLUBS, NOT US.
07 Oct 2010 14:00:13
"Glen Johnson"
A poorly written and researched piece.Just a bit of sensationalist gossip mongering IMO.
Lot's of people learn a second language, it doesn't mean they are moving to that country.Having said that I can reccomend retiring to Spain.
CR
07 Oct 2010 13:56:32
@ 07 Oct 2010 13:34:15 someone wrote - "With the club plunged in crisis, Liverpool fans will not welcome the breaking news today that Glen Johnson is preparing for a move to Spain!"
He will be terribly missed - nearly as much as Hicks and Gillette.
Heartbroken we will be
RED LENIN (ps - any chance Babel can go with him?)
07 Oct 2010 13:55:58
RE:its rafa's fault the team is carp
We lost £100m+ of playing talent in the last two seasons, which has been replaced with sub-standard tallent. don't blame rafa for spoilling you with great players.
Ask the new owners to buy you the tallen/ playing staff that lfc need. They need to show the ambition with money and i don't mean £10m+ striker in jan market. That bull will not fly with me.
{Editor's Note: I am afraid that you are going to be in for a troubled time ahead if you are expecting NESV to "show the ambition with money". It is simply never going to happen. It seems that you might be jealous of what has been happening at Manchester City for more than a couple of years.}
07 Oct 2010 13:54:14
This impending Hearing wil not be the full case. This will be for both sides to present their argument and IF the Judge agrees that there is a case to be heard it will then be allocated a full hearing in the near future, with an adjournment and both sides instructed to prepare 'bundles' and file them. A 'bundle' is all the documents they wish to submit, bound - believe it or not - with a red ribbon. If it's a lot of ducuments then the 'bundle' will be a brief overview with an index relating to accompanying files.
It will not be sorted at this first hearing unless H&G drop the claim or the Judge rules that there is no claim to be heard.
07 Oct 2010 13:51:59
RE:Your missing the point, if you fail to spend now you could get relegated,
Your right, we need our loan players back, we need players salaries budget restored. But the bigger picture is that if we don't invest heavy now. I mean Now, we won't be able to invest in the future because of new fiffa rules about clubs leaving within means. The gap between us and man-utd is huge.
Man utd are valued at 1billion, we are valued at 150m if that. Only reason the club is valued at 288m is because of debt placed on it.
EEditor's Note: You need to rethink your valuation calculations. I think you are mixing tangible plus good will and intangible asset values.}
07 Oct 2010 13:48:15
These Boston guys won't spend money on players. . . . Boston Red Sox won the bidding rights to Matsuzaka , outbidding the Texas Rangers, New York Mets, . . . . .
Mate, Texas Rangers was owned by that chap Tom Hicks. We managed to get Joe Cole in the summer, doesn't mean q without 11 other good players. Real problem is that lfc playing staff need 100m worth of topend tallent. World class midfielders cost 40m+.
These new-bidders seem no better than Hicks, unless they put their money where there mouths are and build a stadium that will support lfc for years to come. we need major investment from the ground up, including youthsystem, coaching, boardroom, pr+marketing, playing-staff. Thats alot of money to invest. These people we spending the bare-minimum, looking to earn off lfc great name in cable access rights.
07 Oct 2010 13:41:20
Blue boy is a well end who agrees
07 Oct 2010 13:40:37
Ed, what do you think about this deal? what do you think will happen?
{Editor's Note: I hope that the deal goes through. We have to assume that the legal challenges (note the plural) fail and NESV take charge, bringing stability and respect back to the club. There will not be the £200M worth of spending that many fans are craving. There will not be overnight success; but seeing Liverpool back on the right track with responsible ownership would be the winning situation for me.}
07 Oct 2010 13:39:33
Is anyone else worried that we might be stuck with G & H for a while yet? I can't help feeling that they may win the court case. .
07 Oct 2010 13:38:20
These guys are just as bad as Hicks and Co, have all you liverpool fans gone mad? insane in the head. They have no real money to invest in the club. Liverpool will be in steady recline under these new owners. They may make a profit on the books, but that will not be matched on the pitch.
Have you all forgotten the whole reason Moores sold the club in the First Place. To Build the new stadium. Hicks promised a new stadium. These guys couldnt give a monkey's.
Adam Red Sox is working for red-sox, cause hes been on other forums drumming up support for these new owners. he is cheap tricker.
07 Oct 2010 13:33:50
If hicks & mach 3 were to delay the sale by fighting & we went into administration. Would we be deducted 10 points by the premier league? {ed's note - that would be an FA decision, I wouldn't think so though as the club itself would not be in administration but its holding company would be.}
Just to clarify, I think Leeds pulled this stunt a few years ago (putting the holding company into admin, so technically the club wasn't). Because the holding company did not exist without the club the football league closed this loop. Whether or not the premier league follow this lead I do not know, but this type of move can no longer be pulled at championship level or below
07 Oct 2010 13:32:01
I know we all hate the yonks, but its rafa's fault the team is carp, he was given the money by the yonks for torres 27m masca 20m keane 20m and the rest then he wasted 40m on carp like aqua & johnson and he was at fault for xabi leaving so if anyone is to blame for our current situation its rafa not the yonks, am i right?
07 Oct 2010 13:25:44
Blue Boy,
Even if you are a millwall fan, why have you spent 1/ 3 of your day on an LFC website loosing an argument with silly estimations of what is needed for LFC to make the top 10?
Any football fan with an ounce of credible knowledge would know that once the spirit and confidence returns to the current crop of players they are more than capable of finishing close or even in the top four! Already this season we have shown in spells throughout games that when it clicks we can play good football, once the team begin to play to even 85% you'll see LFC climbing the table. With the next five games coming up i expect liverpool to achieve 10 points!
07 Oct 2010 13:25:27
Expect NESV to take over before next Sunday. Hodgson will be given time to show what he can do now that the behind-the-scenes issues seem to be resolved. Around £20m will be given for funding and the following will take shape.
OUTS
Charles Itandje - £1m
Maxi Rodriguez - £5m
Ryan Babel - £10m
INS
Dimitri Payet - £7m
Scott Dann - £6m
Steven Defour - £12m
Sulley Muntari - £8m
07 Oct 2010 13:03:16
These Boston guys won't spend money on players. . . . . QUOTE On November 14, the Boston Red Sox won the bidding rights to Matsuzaka with a bid of $51, 111, 111.11, outbidding the Texas Rangers, New York Mets, . . . . . tight arses eh?
SMF
07 Oct 2010 12:59:50
Your missing the point, if you fail to spend now you could get relegated, if you stay up, which I think you will, player prices will rise so spending now makes good buissness sense, if that's ignorance then that's what I am, but you know that large investment in players is seriously needed to get you back into the top four, and medium investment to get you into the top10, is that being ignorant.Blue Boy
07 Oct 2010 12:57:30
"07 Oct 2010 12:08:26
What have Arsenal won in the last 5 seasons, will they win anything this season?ask the Arsenal fans themselves, and they want trophys, and big name players, not to be competative every year and win nothing."
What have Madrid got to show for their big spending spree? See, the argument can work both ways, the point is that one ethos is sustainable and progressive, the other isn't. Also, please don't presume all Arsenal fans are as short-sighted as yourself - Arsenal have big name players, the difference is they develop the names, not buy them. Many appreciate Wenger's fiscal responsibility and once the last of the debt from their new stadium is paid off i'd wager he'll be able to make any signing he chooses - a situation City will be unable to do if their owner were to depart. One method relies on a sound business model, the other is reliant wholly on financial doping. Pompey won an FA cup and went down because of the players they bought to win it. Was it really worth the club potentially being closed down? Would Arsenal fans be happy to have won the league and then be forced to sell top players to finance debt repayments?
07 Oct 2010 12:56:12
Ed cheers 4 the happy brithday well cool up the pool just 1 more thing do u know if hicks an gillett will get big court costs if the fail in there legal challenge to block are sale an do u think it will be upheld an we will be sold jay essex red 4 life walk on GREAT WORK ON THIS TOP SITE ED KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK EDS
{Editor's Note: Court costs will be minimal. The cost of a Barrister for a day or two. They already have legal staff who will prepare a position for them.}
07 Oct 2010 12:51:36
The current takeover bid is a joke an absolute Joke. The only positive to take out of it is, that we see the back of H&G. I do not trust American owners in any shape or form; mark my words in 2 to 3 years time, we will be in the same place we find ourselves now; broke with no money to spend, with protests to get the board out. This is not good news and stinks of a knee jerk reaction from Broughton, were we could end up being in a worse mess than we are now. The Red Sox are very well run, but suffer through lack of investment; the owners milk them almost dry, but give them just enough to keep going. We need more than just being well run, we need money and lots of it, in order to rebuild a very poor squad. There are people on here day dreaming, about who we are going to buy and for how much. Wake up! The deal is not that great and I fear we have been sold down the river once again. Yanks go home! !
REDNOSEMAN
{Editor's Note: I am asstounded that there seems to be such a significant push against the proposed new owners by many of the fans. Some because they are American, and others because they are unlikely to fund the £200M that a number of fans think needs to be spent on new players. Rafa spent £250M or more on players and that did not give us success; Real Madrid have spent even more than that recently and that did not buy success; Manchester City have broken all records with their spending and that has not provided them with success yet. There were two bids for the club - this one was accepted over the other as it made better provision for the future of the club - which was what Martin Broughton was tasked with. I fail to see what other options exist beyond the extention of facilities to Hicks & Gillett.}
07 Oct 2010 12:45:38
"07 Oct 2010 12:30:43
Blue Boy is a Millwall fan, and my observations are not stupid but based on player quality levels in global football, if you think your squad can get into the top 10 as it stands, think again, your current squad are terrible since you lost masherano, the player with the most tackles and passes in the prem, Gerrard needs help in midfield, Torres needs help up front and you need 2 good fullbacks, does this sound like some one who does not understand football, Millwall are not prem material but we know it, you may get relegated your that bad at the moment, every team you play thinks they can get a result from you, that's not the Liverpool way, teams used to fear you not the case now!Blue Boy"
I'm afraid it still sounds like someone with a very limited understanding of the sport who's played too many videogames. It's hardly rocket science to see where we arguably need players (even Jamie Redknapp get sit right occasionally), but it is a pointlessly reactionary argument to say that a club need to spend X amount when player values waver depending on so many different factors that to state an arbitrary number is almost the very definition of pointless and i'm afraid only highlights your ignorance.
07 Oct 2010 12:44:45
Reina
Cahill(15m) Agger
Kelly Taiwo(3m)
Diarra(11m)
Gerrard Aquilani
Turan(10m) Mata(15m)
Torres
Subs: Jones, Carragher, Wisdom, Cattermole(11m), Meireles, Cole, Pacheco, Suso, Aguero(23m), (*88m)
out: Johnson(20m) kuyt (10m), Poulsen(2m), Skrtel (8m), Lucas(9m), Kochesky(3m), Babel(10m), Ngog(6m) Itandje (1m), darby(1m), (*70m)
(net spend £18m)
my ideal squad. .maybe unrealistic!
WHY THE f*ck WOULD YOU WANT THAT SLOPPY PIECE OF MESS CATTERMOLE IN YOUR SQUAD? AND YOU THINK WE'D GET 20M FOR JOHNSON? LOOK AT THE MASCHERANO DEAL FOR AN EXAMPLE. .
07 Oct 2010 12:36:07
Liverpool don't need a rich sugar daddy like chelsea and man city that will come in and spend hundreds of milion on money orientated/ mercanary players then get bored and leave the club in huge debt, we need stability were if the owners were to leave liverpool fc would be able to stand on its own for many years to come, we may as well give these new owners a chance
here is to the start of a new dawn and the end to the storm
07 Oct 2010 12:30:43
Blue Boy is a Millwall fan, and my observations are not stupid but based on player quality levels in global football, if you think your squad can get into the top 10 as it stands, think again, your current squad are terrible since you lost masherano, the player with the most tackles and passes in the prem, Gerrard needs help in midfield, Torres needs help up front and you need 2 good fullbacks, does this sound like some one who does not understand football, Millwall are not prem material but we know it, you may get relegated your that bad at the moment, every team you play thinks they can get a result from you, thats not the Liverpool way, teams used to fear you not the case now!Blue Boy
07 Oct 2010 12:30:17
HI ED GREAT NEWS THIS. . ARE CLUB CAN START OVER AT(( LAST)) I SAID 2 U THAT IT WOULD BE SOMEONE THAT WE WOULD NOT KNOW AN AN ED WE WERE RIGHT. WHOT A ((BIRTHDAY)) 4 ME THIS IS 7 OCT I WILL DRINK 2 THAT, , , AN 2 SEE THIS COME TRUE HAPPY DAYS ED HOPE ARE ((BOYS)) START DOING THE BIZZ NOW AN JUST WORRY ABOUT FOOTBALL ONLY FOOTBALL ITS SO CLOSE TO BEING BACK TO 24_7 FOOTBALL (WALK ON) WE ALL CAN PUT THIS LAST 3 PLUS YEARS BEHIND US AN (MOVE ON) (WALK ON) WITH HOPE IN ARE HARTS. NEVER GO DOWN THIS PATH((AGIAN)) NEVER, , , , , HOPE HICKS GETS NOWHERE WITH THE (COURT)HICKS IS NOW SAYING THE BUYOUT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPAN COS HE SACKED 2 OF THE BOARD BEFORE THE OFFER WAS TAKEN HICKS YOUR A JOKE NO MONEY HEAR 4 U TO MAKE SO WALK ON?? ED PLEASE TELL ME THAT IS A LIE ((ED))YOUR TAKE ON THIS PLEASE?? COS I THINK (HE) HICKS JUST DOES NOT KNOW WHOT TO DO OR WHERE TO TURN HOPE U CAN PUT THAT 1 TO BED FOR ME ED? ?AN IF WE GET THE NEW NEW OWNER? GOD THAT SOUNDS SO GREAT, , LETS ALL WELCOME THE NEW OWNER WITH OPEN ARMS COS TO TAKE US OVER IS TO TAKE US OVER (TO WIPE OUT ARE MONEY PROBS AN TO MOVE US FORWARD GREAT GREAT NEWS WE SHOULD ALL JUST SIT AN WAIT COS THIS OLD GAME IS SO CLOSE TO BEING OVER, , , AN A NEW START IS SO CLOSE NOW WE CAN ALL GET BACK TO FOOTBALL ALL THE WAY. THE LFC WAY LIKE I SAID ED ALL WE NEED IS ((TIME TIME TIME)) AN MORE TIME IN SAFE HANDS THATS SO COOL. . AN WE WILL BE BACK TO ARE VERY VERY BEST. (LFC) ON THE UP ARE GAME THE NEW LIVERPOOL WAY IS JUST ABOUT TO START UP THE POOL. . . . . . . . . . . . JAY ESSEX RED 4 LIFE, RED TILL DEAD. LFC FOREVER RED {ed's note - it does seem that Hicks is just clutching at straws, but he is the kind of person who will fight to the bitter end. It is highly unlikely that he will be able to win a case in court. Happy birthday by the way, I hope it continues as well as it has been going so far!}
07 Oct 2010 12:25:02
Reina
Cahill(15m) Agger
Kelly Taiwo(3m)
Diarra(11m)
Gerrard Aquilani
Turan(10m) Mata(15m)
Torres
Subs: Jones, Carragher, Wisdom, Cattermole(11m), Meireles, Cole, Pacheco, Suso, Aguero(23m), (*88m)
out: Johnson(20m) kuyt (10m), Poulsen(2m), Skrtel (8m), Lucas(9m), Kochesky(3m), Babel(10m), Ngog(6m) Itandje (1m), darby(1m), (*70m)
(net spend £18m)
my ideal squad. .maybe unrealistic!
07 Oct 2010 12:16:08
Well if money is there then buy players like:
striker: forlan 12mil
winger: mata 10mil plus babel
arda turan 14mil or
ashley young 25mil
cmf: honda 14mil
lb: taiwo 7-9mil
dmf:lassana diarra 15mil
cb: hangeland 10mil
reina
johnson hangeland agger taiwo
mata gerrard l.diarra a. young
forlan torres
total investment (+-) 100mil
liverpool 3rd/ 4th end of e season
next season, league winners.
07 Oct 2010 12:12:40
Well if money is there then buy players like:
striker: forlan 12mil
winger: mata 10mil plus babel
arda turan 14mil or
ashley young 25mil
cmf: honda 14mil
lb: taiwo 7-9mil
dmf:lassana diarra 15mil
cb: hangeland 10mil
reina
johnson hangeland agger taiwo
mata gerrard l.diarra a. young
forlan torres
total investment (+-) 100mil
liverpool 3rd/ 4th end of e season
next season, league winners.
07 Oct 2010 12:08:26
What have Arsenal won in the last 5 seasons, will they win anything this season?ask the Arsenal fans themselves, and they want trophys, and big name players, not to be competative every year and win nothing.
07 Oct 2010 11:59:35
ATTENTION LFC FANS! !
What the club, players and manager need right now is support, and lots of it. If the deal does go through then they have proved to the premier league chiefs that they have money to sustain the club (see new premier league rules) then we should back them and give them time to show the fans what they are about. I for one dont/ didn't want a sugar daddy to buy the club and ruin our great tradition of winning thophies not buying them. We need to be in a position of competing with the best clubs in the world but without the debt, and even though we are in the bottom 3 right now, i feel we are not that far away as things stand. We are still capable of going on a run of games unbeaten starting at Goodison and finishing in the top 4 this season. So come redmen show them we are right behind them and lets see what happens, after all we are the best supporters in the world so lets prove it. . .
YNWA
07 Oct 2010 11:43:27
"07 Oct 2010 11:24:35
Oh! yes you do need to spend £100 mill on new players, the 3 posistions you mentioned will cost you, espeacialy world class players, about £60 mill, and you need at least 3 more players of top quality as cover for injurys and suspensions, total cost for 6 world class players £100MILION, plus the wages to pay them, will your new owners spend that much on top of the buying price."
You're want to spread dismay regarding the potential new owners smacks of desperation and jealousy. If true to their goals, they will remove debt, renovate the stadium, increase revenue and allow the club to spend the profits. I'm afraid your assertion as to the cost of filling key positions smacks of a Sky generation football fan that thinks oligarchs and sheiks eager to spend vulgar amounts are the answer to a poorly run club. Many clubs around Europe compete with the free spending English clubs without resorting to such tactics and even in the Prem Arsenal have shown it is possible to remain competitive without having to go for marquee signings every year. Ask yourself who looks the better buy on the wing - Johnson or Silva? CM - Fabregas or Aquilani? Striker - Bent or Adebayor? The list goes on. Your knee-jerk reaction and inability to comprehend the unsustainable nature of spending beyond a club's means saddens me as it is all too indicative of the average fan these days. If the choice is following the model of Arsenal or City, Barca or Madrid, i'd happily go for the former every time, even if it means it takes a few more years to get back to where we want to be. I'm just hoping the acquisition of Shelvey and Wilson were a sign that we are once again starting to invest well in young talent.
07 Oct 2010 11:41:19
It does not matter if you thump us 3-0, you still need to spend £50 mill minimum to get into the top 10, that much I do know about football. Blue BoyAnd to add, what is really amusing is that you feel the need to come onto a Liverpool fc forum and talk utter nonsense to try and ease the pain that is Everton is a small time club! and that your little club will still need to win 30 trophies in both domestic and european football to come somewhat close to that of Liverpool football club, and to think that our current crop of players are unable to make the top ten is showing how stupid you really are!
Feed the YAK and he will still miss from 3 yards!
07 Oct 2010 11:34:31
There will be limited funds available for players and there wages, so expect no big signings until next summer, if you can avoid relegation. Blue Boy
07 Oct 2010 11:34:30
It does not matter if you thump us 3-0, you still need to spend £50 mill minimum to get into the top 10, that much I do know about football. Blue BoyAGAIN, you know nothing about football!
07 Oct 2010 11:34:06
I would to see all the fans who have been slagging off broughton purslow and ayre stand up and admit they they where wrong. These 3 guys have stood up our club and done us proud. I would like to see at the derby game the fans show show these 3 our thanks.
It's now time to get together behind our team and show the world we our the best fans in the world
07 Oct 2010 11:24:35
Oh! yes you do need to spend £100 mill on new players, the 3 posistions you mentioned will cost you, espeacialy world class players, about £60 mill, and you need at least 3 more players of top quality as cover for injurys and suspensions, total cost for 6 world class players £100MILION, plus the wages to pay them, will your new owners spend that much on top of the buying price.
07 Oct 2010 11:24:20
To answer the question below from Ant re: the club badge. The biggest reason why clubs have changed their crests (Arsenal, Fulham, Man City) is that the original ones could not be copyrighted and so to stop people ripping-off the club, the bage was changed to one that could be solely owned by the club. With the Liverbird being the symbol of the city of Liverpool and seen everywhere, the club needed its own distict badge. I personally preferred the old badge too! !
G SPOT
07 Oct 2010 11:12:06
At 07 Oct 2010 10:35:54 Ant wrote "I think now would be a perfect time to revert to the old plain gold liverbird badge of old."
Depends how old you are sonny. When I foirst started following Liverpool as a child in the early sixties it was a white Liver Bird in a white oval and they wore white shorts not red ones.
RED LENIN {ed's note - the flames have to retained anyway, so there is no way the badge could revert to just a Liver Bird.}
07 Oct 2010 11:01:02
Ed, what is your take on the new (almost)owners? I can't say im happy with more americans but i am glad that those other 2 b* tards almost out and the new guys at least deserve a chance. And do you think the team will finally play better?
PS we don't need to spend £100m on new players. A new winger, left back, striker that's all. and a few players out(poulsen, maxi, jova, aurelio, babel, skrtel) and keep kyrgiakos and lucas(thats how awful poulsen is) and give the younger players a chance. And when is aqua coming back from loan?
Red bl00ded! {ed's note - they do seem a big step forward, they look to be the right owners to allow the club to recover from the disaster that was H&G. The team should get a huge boost from the news, I would expect them to play a lot better with the weight lifted off their shoulders. As for Aqualani, I don't expect him to return, unless he disappoints as much on his return to Italy as he has disappointed the training staff here.}
07 Oct 2010 10:45:21
Liverpool winning a game 3-0, you havin a laugh, you could not beat your reserves 3-0, keep taken the happy pills.
07 Oct 2010 10:42:20
Guys, guys, guys. . enough of your conspiracy theories. I know that the prospective new owners are American, but they do have a "proven" track record in sports. Not ALL yanks are complete jerk-offs! ! These guys have displayed integrity and shown respect for the Red Sox fans and traditions. No, they are NOT Liverpool fans, but are you trying to tell me that the Arabs @ Citeh were before they bought into them? John Henry does not have a bottomless pit of money, but the majority of the posts on this site are against a "sugar-daddy" type owner who uses the club as a play-thing.
He sees the Arsenal model as one that we should replicate and i for one would not have a problem with that. Arsenal borrowed money to pay for their new stadium and infact showed a distinct lack of savvy regarding their tie-up with Emirates who are stadium and shirt-sponsors (£100M deal over 15 years! !). they will however have paid off all the outstanding loans within 2-3 years. Liverpool's real problem is that they only have 10 executive boxes @ Anfield and take £1-2M less than some of their rivals per home game. . .That's a lot of money over the course of a season. Whilst not everyone agrees with the "prawn-sandwich" brigade, they do undoubtedly provide valuable income to clubs and also help to keep the costs for average supporters down. This is exactly what Henry did at Fenway Park where he improved facilities and match-day revenues whilst keeping the club at their spiritual home.
Henry is not yet the owner and people are already trying to bad-mouth him. Of course we don't want a repeat of H&G, but this guy is nothing like them.
Ed what do u think ?
G SPOT {ed's note - I have found nothing to suggest they would not be decent owners of the kind who will worry about the club's long term future. Surely that is what we want rather than a sheikh coming in and splashing money out until he gets bored and leaves us in the lurch with an unsustainable wage bill etc.}
07 Oct 2010 10:35:54
Completely off topic - but am I the only person that feels our current badge/ crest is a bit of a mess. . with the red, green, white, flames etc.,
I think now would be a perfect time to revert to the old plain gold liverbird badge of old. .
Just a thought.
Ant
07 Oct 2010 10:29:06
It does not matter if you thump us 3-0, you still need to spend £50 mill minimum to get into the top 10, that much I do know about football. Blue Boy
07 Oct 2010 10:11:29
£300 mill to buy the club, &£200 mill on new players, plus wages, new backroom staff, new stadium, and make a profit, not going to happen, financial disaster in buissness terms, so wheres the catch, something has to be cut from the list above, as with every biussness, the £200 mill on new players plus wages is the most likely to be the first cut back made, you have been sold a dummy.
07 Oct 2010 10:09:31
I have wrote my letter to Santa and put it under my pillow. . . . .please, please, please Santa can you sign Edin Dzeko in January for our beloved club, I know asking for a £36m present may sound a bit cheaky but we have been very very good and we promise we will do all of our choors next year and go to bed early. He really is the best striker in the world and Fernando is very very lonely up front all on his own.
Tobey
Mr Jug ive just sent the same one so if santa gets two. . fingers crossed. .
SMF. . . . . . . . .ps Santa wears RED SOX
07 Oct 2010 10:05:06
As was said earlyer this week, for Liverpool to make the top 10 in the league, they need to spend £50 mill in jan, to get a europa spot they need to spend£90 mill, to get a top 4 place they will need to spend £200 mill, players who can demand £100 thou a week are thin on the ground, and want to join clubs with massive financial clout, you will not find any players of world class status, willing to take a risk on joining Liverpool, you basicaly need 7 or 8 new top class players, how much will the new owners be prepared to spend, who will be putting the deals together, Hodgson, not re-nouned for his transfer dealings, and from what I have read here, not completely trusted by the Liverpool fans, so who is in place at the club to bring in quality players, I admit I don't like these silly prices for players, but the great ones cost big!big! money, I can not see theses new owners spending vast ammounts on players and new stadium, this is a profit based take-over, if less then £100 mill is spent in Jan, you will be no better off. Blue Boy.
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL! you'll see when we thump you 3-0
07 Oct 2010 10:03:30
I have wrote my letter to Santa and put it under my pillow. . . . .please, please, please Santa can you sign Edin Dzeko in January for our beloved club, I know asking for a £36m present may sound a bit cheaky but we have been very very good and we promise we will do all of our choors next year and go to bed early. He really is the best striker in the world and Fernando is very very lonely up front all on his own.
Tobey
edin dzeko the best striker in the world?? ?? clearly you have no idea, yes he scores in the german league, but voronin also use to score in the german league. if david villa is worth 34 million then dzeko is not even worth 20 mil.
07 Oct 2010 09:28:03
RIGHT - IT'S TIME FOR EVERYONE TO GET BEHIND THE CLUB. STOP THE CRITICAL COMMENTS ON THE NEW POTENTIAL OWNERS - THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING YET TO DESERVE IT.
LETS BE PATIENT, POSITIVE AND WATCH WHAT UNFOLDS, AND MOST OF ALL - SUPPORT OUR TEAM. . .
THIS IS A CRITICAL TIME FOR LFC, WE MUST GET BEHIND THE CLUB (INCLUDING THE MANAGER AND ALL THE PLAYERS).
LIVERPOOL FANS HAVE A REPUTATION FOR BEING THE BEST FOR A REASON - LETS DEMONSTRATE WHY THAT REPUTATION IS TRUE.
07 Oct 2010 09:23:12
If this NESV deal goes through, it will be great news. I heard fans complaining on Sky Sports about more Americans taking over, saying 'what's changed?' We don't hate the current owners because of their nationality but for what they have done to the club. NESV will be different, we won't be massively in debt and we will have some money to spend on improving the squad. I agree with Phill Thompson, I don't want to be like City, they have no respect for the sport. We just need to have decent funds to bring in a good player now and then. The biggest job in January will be to get rid of players- teams should have a squad no bigger than 23 players. We should get rid of players who aren't good enough and who aren't going to play:
N'Gog, Babel, Maxi, Poulsen, Aurelio, Kyrgiakos. I would also get rid of Johnson, has given away too many goals this year, and even going forward he has been awful.
We need to bring in a top quality striker, yesterday we were linked with Forlan because he would like to come back to England (a bit farfetched, I know). We need a fast right-mid, someone who can run at defenders and can start counter attacks, Marko Marin would be perfect. A defensive right back and a left back (Konchesky is awful and Agger is better at centre-back) are also needed.
My squad:
GK: Reina, Jones
RB: New right-back, Kelly
CB: Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Wilson
LB: New left-back, Koncesky
RM: New right-mid, Kuyt
CM: Gerrard, Meireles, Lucas, Spearing, Shelvey
LM: Cole, Jovanovic
ST: Torres, new striker, Pacheco, Eccleston
The best signings we could make are Forlan, Marin, Taiwo and somebody like Micah Richards- a good, strong, defensive right-back.
07 Oct 2010 09:10:16
As was said earlyer this week, for Liverpool to make the top 10 in the league, they need to spend £50 mill in jan, to get a europa spot they need to spend£90 mill, to get a top 4 place they will need to spend £200 mill, players who can demand £100 thou a week are thin on the ground, and want to join clubs with massive financial clout, you will not find any players of world class status, willing to take a risk on joining Liverpool, you basicaly need 7 or 8 new top class players, how much will the new owners be prepared to spend, who will be putting the deals together, Hodgson, not re-nouned for his transfer dealings, and from what I have read here, not completely trusted by the Liverpool fans, so who is in place at the club to bring in quality players, I admit I don't like these silly prices for players, but the great ones cost big!big! money, I can not see theses new owners spending vast ammounts on players and new stadium, this is a profit based take-over, if less then £100 mill is spent in Jan, you will be no better off. Blue Boy.
07 Oct 2010 09:05:02
I have wrote my letter to Santa and put it under my pillow. . . . .please, please, please Santa can you sign Edin Dzeko in January for our beloved club, I know asking for a £36m present may sound a bit cheaky but we have been very very good and we promise we will do all of our choors next year and go to bed early. He really is the best striker in the world and Fernando is very very lonely up front all on his own.
Tobey
07 Oct 2010 09:04:03
Regarding the stadium, i'd rather they renovated anfield if it means they don't have to take a loan out for a new stadium and weigh us down with more debt again
07 Oct 2010 09:02:10
Martin Broughton said in his interview that he believes he has found the best new owner for this club, and if it goes through i hope he is correct. But i urge some fans not to get carried away here, i think it has been put in place so that Liverpool can sort its finances out and then run as a profitable business, these boys will not spend 100m pounds in the transfer window, that's not to say that funds won't be available. From what i have gathered from the interviews on tele, If all goes well then in 4-5 years time, LFC will be one of the best run and self sufficient football clubs in the world!
We will again be attrecking top players and challenging for top honours! But it is a time to now be patient, lets concentrate on supporting the team and getting ourselves out of the mess we are seeing on the pitch! Leave the wet dreams to exactly that, a dream! and lets get our great club back on track!
Do not get yourself excited to then be dissapointed, we will see a few additions to the side and i personally would like to see Anfield modernised, Forget stanley park, there is a sense of spirituality when you sit inside Anfield that simply will not be replicated.
Onward and upward
07 Oct 2010 08:59:34
For all those people already slating the POTENTIAL new owners. .
businessmen will know that the value of the club will increase if the club is more successful, so even if they plan to sell after three years (for example), it is in their best interest to make the club succeed. so calm down
07 Oct 2010 08:50:04
New owners only need 55m to transform the team
buy
fabio coentrao 15m
gregory van der wiel 11m
demy de zeeuw 8m
keisuke honda 12m
arda turan 10m
juan mata 10m
alexis sanchez 15m
edin dzeko 30m
luis suarez 30m
total 141m
sell
johnson 12m
darby 1m
aurelio 3m
lucas 7m
poulsen 3m
maxi 6m
aquilani 12m
jovanovic 9m
ngog 7m
babel 10m
insua 3m
plessis 2m
el zhar 1m
give these players a chance
pacheco
kelly
loan out
eccleston
amoo
ince
07 Oct 2010 08:24:15
How can people still think Carra is good enough anymore, after the last 18 months he as had. Apart from his spell at right back, when he was ok at best. He as been average.Kelly would be a better bet at centre back. A young Hansen played is first season, sharing the position with an ageing Emlyn. The next season Hughes was moved on and Hansen kept the shirt for the next 12 years.Sir Bob was not afraid to make them decisions, sometimes you would see the change happening, other times they just did. We were successful not because We went out and bought 5 New players every season.It was continuity. If Paisley was in charge Carra would have gone start of the season and that's a fact.He is the main reason we play deep. I love his never say die attitude and he as always giving 110%, but he should take a good look at himself.He is no longer good enough to hold down a role in a top 4 team.Martin Kelly will be a future England centre half. He should be played there for Liverpool.Now! Lets get back to basics the liverpool way. Build from the back.R H should give Mavinga a go if he is not ready then buy a top class left back. Konchesky would not be bought by a top 4 side. Fact.We are not a top 4 side anymore, but we are not a million miles away.If we keep buying Koncheskys and playing over the hill player we will always be a midtable team.I respect what Carra as done for LFC. All good things come to an end.PS this is only my opinion don't crucify me. you got a gerry helmet i can borrow Ed {ed's note - no mate, sorry. But, if it is any consolation, I do agree with your viewpoint.}
07 Oct 2010 08:15:06
HA HA HA bet those 2 yank plonkers are gutted that they never took the DIC offer. Shows how much h&g know
07 Oct 2010 08:04:36
The front man of NESV is worth 860mil on his own. There are 16 or some other people with NESV, so overall they are worth billions.
A bright future of Liverpool fc if the takeover goes well I think. What are your thoughts ED? {ed's note - I really don't care how much these people are worth. The club doesn't need someone else's money, what it needs is to not be strangled with debt.}
07 Oct 2010 06:53:41
To raise 300 million in the current climate wouldn't be difficult with NESV's track record but i believe from Broughtons interviews that they haven't borrowed( i could be wrong though). I believe they will try and bring in one or two players in january to show intent(maybe mata) but we all know january is a difficult time to buy. Also I think works on stadium will move alot quicker.
Heres to the future!
Adam red sox
- do you know for sure they had 300m laying around? if so why didn't they buy back 17% from The NewYork Times Company? if it because they don't have 300m in cash laying around. They prob borrowed it for this deal.
-If they have borrowed it against boston red-sox, and now we are apart of red-sox. Isnt the club tied into £300m debt again?
-They may bring in £10m player so what, they won't be building a stadium. It sure total lack ambition. They won't be investing in player the folllowing year. Red-sox have gotten the "tag-well-run" by not spending on players and making do with what they have. Something lfc can't do. playing squad needs major investment, new stadium and everyone wants championsleague again, which will take real money.
You sir seem to be full of it, like all americans.
07 Oct 2010 06:38:17
PEOPLE ARE ODD. FOR WEEKS, MONTHS NOW WE HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING WITH BATED BREATH TO HEAR ABOUT NEW ONWERS, AS SOON AS WE GET A BID ACCEPTED THERE ARE PEOPLE SLATING THEM BEFORE THEY EVEN SIGN THE CHEQUE. . . .IT SEEMS THAT ALOT OF PEEPS ON HERE JUST WANNA SLATE EVERYTHING ABOUT LFC. THE REP THEY HAVE IS GOOD, RED SOX FANS SEEM TO BE HAPPY WITH THEM SO LETS GIVE EM A CHANCE, NOT ALL AMERICANS ARE THE SAME, TIME WILL TELL I SUPPOSE. TO THE PEEPS WHO WANT TO STAY POSITIVE IM WITH YOU, THE PEEPS WHO WANT TO BE NEGATIVE, GET A GRIP FOR GODS SAKE. AS LONG AS THE DEBT IS SORTED AND WE ARE ON A LEVEL ONCE MORE THAN THE REST WILL COME. ED, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH WHATS HAPPENING? ?
{Editor's note - I think this will be good for Liverpool as the owners will bring stability and that is the most important thing for liverpool atm}
07 Oct 2010 06:36:32
This henry guy use to be city trader, now he trades in sports teams, like they are used cars. trading up when he see something better to play with. being tied into another sporting club like boston red sox seems risky. What happens if they fall into debt. will lfc end up in bankrupy because of something boston red sox have done in america. It just seems too risky.
Will lfc stay seprate from boston red sox ?
07 Oct 2010 05:22:03
Ed, before the club loaned out and sold a couple of players for a ridiculous amount i had this feeling that we had the best squad in the league but a month later i felt like we are going to be a top 6 team again.
Albert Riera had a very good first season. .labelled the team a sinking ship under Benitez but tried making amends.He was Spain's 1st choice left winger at some stage. . ahead of D.Silva and Mata, someone with class sold for 5M?Malouda and Drogba had the same problem before(confidance)look at them now.
Injury plagued Aquilani was sensational at the end of last season. .scored memorable goals and now his showing class again in a juventus shirt.
E.Insua better than Konchesky when going foward.
Ed, did the players wages have anything to do with this or was it down to players seeking more game time?
Riera on the left for straight 3 seasons would have been sweet. .pure boost of confidance e.g A.Arshavin, Nani and Malouda.
07 Oct 2010 04:51:16
Roy Hogson tried to sign Carlton Cole, Kevin Doyle and Mario Gomez but failed to land any one of them.
Sergio Kun Aguero, Javier Pastore, Sulley Muntari, Taiwo, Arda Turan/ Juan Mata and Per Metersecker would be a great + to the team.
They would all cost about 98M. .Man City bought Mario Balotelli, David Silva, James Milner, Boateng and Kolarov for more than 100M In the summer so it's possible. . .afterall more players and more red socks in the field. .LOL
07 Oct 2010 04:33:46
Agree with Adam Red Sox:
We have not really hit the big time with this new owner. Firstly, he's a yank!. .We know that in this economic climate a yank is all about money as it's been told that they are not fans of the club. They understand and respects Liverpool's tradition and want to rebuild, but we're still gonna have to sell to buy. .They also talk about a 60K seater stadium. hmmmm. .I thought it would be more like 80K plus. What these owners need to understand is that LFC has a cult following like ManU and if Old Trafford is 78K capacity then we need. .MUST be the same!
In terms of players; we are not gonna spend crazy money with these types of owners, but then again, you really don't need to, to win a League. Jose spent big money at the time, but he brought in the "right" type of players-> Drogba, Essien, Cech, Kalou, Malouda, Alex, etc. .
Thats what Roy has to do. .THE RIGHT PLAYERS! Can we get Darren Bent to come here? How about Bentley or SWP?. .We see young players in England like Johnson (ManCity), "Albreichton" (Villa), Gibson (ManU). .Thats what Liverpool needs! We can see Sterling emerging and will be a British Star as well as Ince, Wisdom and hopefully others. Roy has to develop a player like Pacheco, because if not, I consider Roy and his coaching squad a failure. The kid has guts and guile along with fantastic skill and must make this player a star. The club must also loan out it's youngsters to play in a competitive environment in front of 15-20k fans in the lower leagues such as Amoo, Bruna, Darby, Eccelston, Mavinga. .this will only help their development, just like ManU does with it's youth.
Players who will leave : Babel, Poulson (even though he was just brought in), Lucas on loan, Insua (unfortunately), Agger or Skrtel and if necessary, the "often injured" Fernando Torres (50/ 50)
Players who should come in: Arda Turan (creative guile), Bentley (can cross the ball and is an option) or SWP (same as Bentley), Darren Bent or the kid from Ipswich!. Bring back Aquilani! and replace the defensive CB pairing with a big bid for Hangelaand (moves extremely well for a big man-passes well, keeps his head up)
SIM THE RED
07 Oct 2010 03:43:17
There all in it for the money but to be fair to Tevez he always gives 110% to whichever club he plays for & his goalscoring record is pretty good. I think he'd compliment Torres when Torres's fit & lead the line when he's injured. Most likely won't happen though. I can't imagine city selling to us when we have new owners & could be a major threat again.
Adam red sox
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It is common knowledge Torres turned down more lucrative offers to join us - so not all are in it for money - if that were true, Torres would have handed in a transfer request and be plying his trade in the blue of Manchester. I don't dispute Tevez's ability or commitment - just don't like his motivation - LIVERPRES
07 Oct 2010 03:27:25
07 Oct 2010 00:16:44
I realise that people are going to be sceptic of American owners because of the Texan donkey n his shoeshine boy but cumon lads purslow ayre have jeopardised their careers for this sale to go through.? ?
how have they jepordised there careers? they were brought in to make a sale happen and they did so in very bad circumstances. .? if anything it has enhanced there reputation?
db9
07 Oct 2010 03:10:18
Yesterday as i was driving home i heard on the bbc radio that liverpool were taken over by boston red sox owners, they bought liverpool for 400m.
i hope this will help liverpoool win more matches at least there bettr that hicks and gilbert
07 Oct 2010 02:21:14
Next 7 league fixtures:
Everton
Blackburn
Bolton
Chelsea
Wigan
Stoke
West Ham
All SHOULD be won bar Chelsea. 18 points is fantastic and will send us right up the table. Hopefully the takeover will be completed by next week, relieving players' worries. Beat Everton and send our confidence sky high, then destroy the rest of the teams. It's easier to say than do, but I reckon this could happen.
Here's Hoping
Ed?
{Editor's Note: I see four wins, two draws and a loss.}
07 Oct 2010 02:17:04
Unsigned wrote at 07 Oct 2010 01:39:08:
"Let Johnson pop off to Madrid for crazy money and then we could definitely go for Dzeko/ Mata (clear fan favourites) without entering the (potential) owners pockets."
I think you may be over valuing Johnson somewhat. Dzeko is vaued at £25M or more and Mata at £20M or so. Johnson might be worth £10M to £12M. Liverpool might get enough if they sold Johnson to cover the cost of Arda - who has made it very clear that he would be attracted to such a move.
Sharkey.
07 Oct 2010 01:39:08
Johnson is a problem at right back and Carra will be coming to an end by next season. With the ownership just about sorted we could talk about big name players. . but surely we've got to go with Darby and Kelly? They could be the heart beat of Liverpool for the next 10 years.
Let Johnson pop off to Madrid for crazy money and then we could definitely go for Dzeko/ Mata (clear fan favourites) without entering the (potential) owners pockets.
07 Oct 2010 00:52:47
The last manager was "sacked" for finishing outside the top 4. We won the champions league, got to the final, got to the semi final, got to the semi final of the europa league, won the fa cup and runners up in the premier. Any team outside the top 4 could only dream of that. We now have a manager who has given us the worst start in about 60 years. Brought in some rubbish players. TIME TO GO. ENOUGH.
Remember in RAFA WE TRUST. To all of those who wanted Rafa out remember he told us about the problems he was having with the board ie the greedy b* * *d yonks not giving him the cash he was promised to bring the quality players. Now we all know what exactly Rafa was having to deal with.
I have no confidence that Roy (nice man but) has the ability to take us back to the top
07 Oct 2010 00:42:44
Isn't it time to trade Torres with man city, we are getting nothing out of him. Since the rest of our team is average. wouldn't it be better to get two or three good quality man city rejects and let torres walk. Might make the squad more competitive
07 Oct 2010 00:34:39
Purslow & ayre where bought in to get RBS 300m back. They are looking after RBS first and then lfc second. so granted they want to get money 300m. purslow & ayre will also want the fans accept this deal in the short term so they can get out of the club because this set of americans start to destory the club. The fans need real show of faith. Like building of new stadium. Anything less and we are no better than before. We will limp along in the league for next 5 years hoping another gerrard comes through the youth system.
07 Oct 2010 00:28:59
Why wasn't the chinese bid taken? will more bids come in now to be considered? i would rather have a english man in charge of a english club. I don't see the point of americans coming here looking for money.
Im guessing the red-sox cable tv channel will be showing lfc games now. Im guessing the investment in the team will be minimal because they are a business that are purchasing content for their tc channels. So we might become competitve, but will we ever get back in the champions league with these owners? im guessing they won't pay for the new stadium. Might add 10,000 more seats to the stadium, but the players are likley to take that money in wages. The investment in paying staff is the real issue. I don't see american owners spending 100s of millions to get us back to glory, we lost xbi who will cost 40m and masch 40m to replace. we need rbk, lbk, cbk 40m. Gerrard is also old.
07 Oct 2010 00:12:08
At Fenway they chose not to build a new stadium. . . Broughton revealed NESV have not decided whether to continue previous plans to build
What is the point of accepting this offer. We need a new stadium. This deal a waste of time. Anfield can not get any bigger. I have a feeloing they will be issue bonds against lfc and get 300m back that way. I don't think we have found new owners, just a bunch of losers like Hicks. If no stadium is in the deal, then the future of the club is still up in the air. We can't carry on like this, lfc need to make more money from seat sales. we won't be able to compete with man city or tottenham without the stadium {ed's note - Anfield can be increased in size.}
07 Oct 2010 00:02:29
Here are some details about NESV:
* Founded in 2001 when John W Henry joined forces with Tom Werner.
* Henry, a futures and foreign exchange trading advisor, founded John W Henry & Company (JWH). He is the principal owner of the Boston Red Sox and co-owner of the Roush Fenway Racing team which competes in NASCAR.
* Henry achieved folk hero status thanks to the Boston Red Sox's 2004 World Series win, the first win since 1918. They secured the title again in 2007.
* Apart from the Red Sox, New England Sports Ventures also owns Fenway Sports Group (FSG), a sales and marketing firm that sells advertisements and sponsorships for Boston College and others.
* In 2007 FSG bought 50 percent of Roush Racing and subsequently renamed to Roush Fenway Racing.
- The purchase was pegged in excess of $60 million (38 million pounds). The long-rumoured deal took more than three years to put together as Roush and Henry developed their professional and personal bonds. But once struck, the partnership quickly paid big dividends. Forbes in 2007 named Roush Fenway Racing as NASCAR's most valuable team with an estimated worth of $316 million.
* The Boston Red Sox are a co-founders and own 80 percent of the New England Sports Network, a cable network that covers New England and broadcasts Red Sox games.
* THE DEAL:
- NESV is offering 300 million pounds for the club, enough to pay back the 237 million pounds of loans owed mainly to Royal Bank of Scotland, which must be settled by October 15.
07 Oct 2010 00:01:11
I have a feeling this takeover is going to be beneficial to the longterm stability of our club however, fans need to be patient and understand that fortunes on the pitch won't change overnight, nor will the improvement of the squad. the red machines engine is reving up again but its gonna take time to reach top speed
06 Oct 2010 23:59:56
Hodgson Needs To Sort Out His Formation And Stick To It, Meireles On Right Attacking Midfielder? Is He Nuts? I Wouldn't Mind But Its A Player HE Bought, You'd Think He Would Know His Best Positions On The Field (Centre-Mid, Alongside Gerrard) Poulsen May Come Good In Time, But Meireles Was One Of The Best Players On The Field Against Blackpool, Especially In A Red Shirt. Lucas, Babel And Maxi Need To Fix Up Or Get Out, Also, Cole Should Be Put On The Right Attacking Mid, And Mata Would Be A Brilliant Acquisition For Us. Dzeko Would Be A Good Student Under Gerrard, And Pacheco Needs A First Team Start For The Last Few Pieces Of The Experience He Needs To Be A Competitor.
Adi Apocalypse
06 Oct 2010 23:56:46
The NewYork Times Company is trying to sell its 17.7 percent holdings in New England Sports Ventures, LLC, owners of the Boston Red Sox. that moneys from these divestitures would go towards paying down the company's approximately $1 billion debt. So how stable is NESV
06 Oct 2010 23:54:28
Sharkey. {ed's note - which Diarra are you two talking about? I don't think either are worth looking at personally, but Lassana is a regular for Real Madrid, why would he move here? Mahamadou has had too many injuries recently to be worth buying, it would be too much of a risk when we have Torres and Aurelio taking up the treatment tables on a regular basis.}
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I was talking about Lassana ED. I hate to disagree with you mate but Kadira has took his place in the centre alongside Xabi.
That's why i said it could be possible to get him.
Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - I thought that was because he was injured? If not I apologise. But I still wouldn't want him, not good enough nor is he right in the head, we don't need to add another attitude problem to the club.}