Liverpool Banter Archive May 07 2016

07 May 2016 20:30:38
Carragher named Clyne in his Premiership team of the year.

Am I missing something? Is there anyone here who can offer a detailed opinion as to why anyone would pick him in their team of the year. Don't rate him at all. Him and Moreno are like the bouncers who let in everyone for free at the side doors.

07 May 2016 21:19:45
Perhaps you can identify some reasons deeper than "i don't rate him" first!?

07 May 2016 21:59:23
great little right back, if people can't see that then there's no point trying to explain. Moreno can be a liability but Clyne and Moreno are not the same.

08 May 2016 02:34:25
Honestly Clyne is slightly better tjan moreno, he get into a great crossing position atleat 10 times a game but may be only 1 good cross. Just during the last game i was thinking if we had someone like Finnan or sergei aurier ( love him has a lethal cross) we could have 5 goals. He is a decent right back without any end product slight better defensively than Moreno.

08 May 2016 03:02:13
I watch Clyne every week and for me he is worthy of the shirt. Having read your post I was drawn to the conclusion that you obviously don't watch Liverpool much. Then I read your name. joker. It's actually very apt as you are quite the joker indeed. or should that just read a joke?

08 May 2016 03:17:38
Craziness, I think Hector Bellerin is the best RB in the PL. Clyne better version of Moreno, both of them are major problems for us defensively.

08 May 2016 03:43:57
I don't think there's a better right back in the league.

08 May 2016 10:43:09
Flano's a better right back.

08 May 2016 10:58:54
Suspect defensively often gets caught out of position and has zero end product. But as mentioned still better than moreno but that don't take much doing.

All in all he is not terrible tho and not the first position i would be looking to improve on.

08 May 2016 12:13:13
He has the worst stats of all our regular four defenders.

Passing, tackling, interceptions, shots, assists, etc - he is the worst of our four.

I was just curious why Carragher puts him in his premiership team of the season. He's not a bad player. He just isn't a brilliant player. Maybe this is our standard but it is the players who have raised their game under Klopp who have us in a European Final - Sakho, Lovren, Origi, Lallana, Firmino. All these guys, drug taking aside, have become better players. I don't see Clyne moving in that direction.

That's all. And as for my name Liverbirdaet, the generic liverpool supporter name generator was busy with yourself when I tried to get one like yours.

;)

08 May 2016 13:17:12
Goes to show that there are no RBs anymore in England is Clyne is the best the PL can offer. He is not good enough on the ball, can't pass, can't close down crosses, poor crosser and poor positioning defensively. And with all these faults, he's the best? Nonsense. As one poster said, Hector Bellerin is miles better than him.

08 May 2016 14:59:40
I don't get the hype with Bellerin, he's just fast. He gets caught of position defensively and is weak in the air.

08 May 2016 15:20:35
Coleman and Zabaletta couple of years ago while Ivanovic last year were the better ones in the league. The league has some of the poorest LB in the world.
Clyne is very average player and one reason Milner was shifted to right hand side against Villareal to whip in crosses. Clyne has pace, but he cannot beat a man nor cross a ball. He was looked very ordinary by Dennis Suarez.

08 May 2016 16:02:49
@Kova

In fairness, that is Milner's best position. He is lost in the centre. City used to get the best out of him there, especially in European games.

07 May 2016 18:56:53
Has the game been dropped by sky on wed night?

07 May 2016 19:26:46
Confirmed. Liverpool v Chelsea still live on SS2 on Wednesday.

07 May 2016 21:28:43
Don't think they can just drop matches once announced.

08 May 2016 16:09:44
Haha the disagree button is officially a joke, the troll who keeps pressing it is not even disagreeing to opinions lol. Oh well.

07 May 2016 15:24:18
Hey ed001

I see that Liverpool have let Rossiter go. This only confirms your assertions that the Liverpool academy have been concerned with Rossiter's recent progression.

I want to use this as a case to ask about public overpraise. Every time a young player shows promise, like Rossiter, people like Carragher will come out and say something like, 'he's got the potential to be the next Gerrard'.

You'd probably think it's somewhat irresponsible to say, and I would agree. But when you consider the personal day-to-day support and guidance of their coaches, how much do you think this really affects them, and how much can it be blamed for under-progression?

My view is that while overpraise may be irresponsible, most great players were overpraised in their younger days anyway, and they were obviously smart enough to put that praise into perspective, ignore it, and only listen to the people that matter. If they allow themselves to believe their own hype, then maybe they aren't mentally cut-out to excel in top-flight football.

I'm asking this because I saw a certain LFC fan article blaming Rossiter's Liverpool demise on overpraise, and I think that's just a little absurd.

{Ed001's Note - it really depends on the player. Sometimes it spurs them on to be better, mostly it just goes to their head and they think they have already done it all. It comes down to the coaching staff to keep their feet on the ground.}

07 May 2016 17:44:51
Carragher grew into a main stay player but he was always grounded, Roy Evans has stated that they never expected him to be anything other than a bit part player. I guess some players do think they have made it by being called up to the first team squad. Good Luck to all the lads released or who choose look for a new start.

07 May 2016 18:17:22
Actually most academy players dun even read news or internet or watch tv. They have their hands full juggling academic, girlfrens and tough training. So u r just overly concern. So the time they feel the hype is when they get to join the 1st team bench or play for 1st team.

{Ed001's Note - have you ever met an academy player? You really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.}

07 May 2016 18:41:55
No ed001 but you don't have to go to the moon to know the moon is round.

{Ed001's Note - you make yourself seem more foolish by the day. The moon is not actually round. Basic scientific knowledge would have told you that. Like basic knowledge of teenagers would have told you they spend all their time online.}

07 May 2016 19:33:56
Is the moon not round? I blame Chelsea.

07 May 2016 20:11:43
It's a smiley shape, we all know that.

07 May 2016 20:26:01
I blame Brendan.

07 May 2016 21:00:38
It's sphere
Up the pool.

07 May 2016 21:07:56
I never understood why everyone rated him so high. Very limited player. Players like Brannagan have a lot more talent than him but people don't talk about them much.

07 May 2016 22:19:01
I think you can read into the Carragher situation that players like him succeed because they're told they won't amount to that much. Look at the number of top players who were knocked back as youngsters and came back better for it. Would ask the question is that part of the problem - that life now is too much about raising everyone up so they struggle to cope with set backs when they do come.

07 May 2016 23:21:45
very true LondirishRed it always makes me cringe when a youngster gets called a wonderkid or the new Ronaldo etc they simply don't need that stupid label attached to them. As for rossiter its clear that injuries halted his progress always sad when that happens, good luck to him at rangers.

07 May 2016 20:02:41
Don't shame the entire community of teenagers Ed001. Some like me are more intelligent than 100 year olds like you 😑.

{Ed001's Note - oh bless you, the very fact you believe that shows how little intelligence you really have.}

07 May 2016 20:49:03
Not posted for a while but that made me chuckle ed01

Absolute classic you deserve praise :)

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

08 May 2016 01:16:43
Ed001,I know most kids spend their time onlinr. But a trainee player who is vying for big time bpl is not any other kids, they stick to strict regime like training for olympics, they are too tired end of day. No time for some crap from daily or metro. They wun be affected .

{Ed001's Note - absolute bull. Like I said. They have plenty of spare time and they do not live like Olympians at all. If only they would do more would succeed.}

08 May 2016 03:06:07
Actually ed I think you will find Leekuanyew is too busy taking spelling lessons to be able to watch or let alone meet academy players.

08 May 2016 06:38:00
Leekuanyew is not a real person, right?
I am not excited about young players most of the time because too many disappointments in the past. Nice surprise when someone does break through.

08 May 2016 08:19:28
Ed001
You in a bad mood? I meant that as a joke mate 😂.

{Ed001's Note - well obviously..... the only thing smart about you millenials is the phone in your hands :-P

Oh and I was kidding too don't worry.}

07 May 2016 13:01:05
Hi eds,

Don't want to jinx this but just wanted to know. If we do win the Europa league does Sakho get a medal? I would guess so since he played the minimum required number of games but will he not get one because of the doping and the ban?

Kopchu.

{Ed002's Note - The club decide who to give medals to.}

07 May 2016 15:09:06
I don't know if it has changed but 40 medals get handed to the winners and it is up to the club/ manager who to give the medals to.

07 May 2016 18:04:32
ok thanks Imred and Ed! I'm not sure where I heard that it's based on appearances, is that the premier league instead? So that means that technically anybody can get a medal if the manager so chooses (even the tea lady xd)
But on a different note did my question really deserve all those dislikes.

Kopchu.

07 May 2016 19:15:41
look around. everything gets dislikes for some reason these days.

07 May 2016 19:51:32
On the topic of winning the Europa league and again without jinxing us, how brilliant would it be to have a European super cup to look forward to down the line against either real or athletico Madrid? Another date for the calendar and possibly entry into I think the world club cup.

07 May 2016 11:16:36
Top 3 goals of the season then everyone? For me Benteke's bicycle kick against Manchester United is by far the best! Second for me is Firmino's goal against Arsenal where he put the ball into the top corner from 25 yards. Thirdly it has to be one of Coutinho's but I'm not sure which one. I'll say his goal against Stoke first game of the season.
So my choices are
1. Benteke (vs Man United)
2. Firmino (vs Arsenal)
3. Coutinho (vs Stoke)
I'm sure I've forgotten a really obvious goal!

07 May 2016 11:50:06
1. Coutinho vs united in europa league

2. Benteke vs united

3. Sturridge 1st goal vs villa.

07 May 2016 11:59:14
Firmino v City was my goal of the season, what a team goal and a beautiful back heel by Can.

07 May 2016 12:49:12
A backheel that was clearly meant for Firmino not Coutinho who it went to, but inspite of that a good goal, Benteke v Utd for me.

07 May 2016 13:29:58
Vardy's againts us, even Klopp nearly clapped his hands at, when asked why, he said "I was close to clapping my hands to be honest but I just felt too bad at that moment in time"

07 May 2016 14:45:52
Benteke's goal against Man Utd and Coutinho's in Europa against Utd were the top two goals for me. Benteke's goals was pure genius while Coutinho's was a moment of inspiration and skill that saw us win the tie.

07 May 2016 15:03:09
Philippe's free kick under the wall. Epic.

07 May 2016 16:28:08
Coutinho vs Man Utd in Europa - pure genius.

07 May 2016 18:19:51
Origi's goal vs Dortmund at Anfield which was set up by Can with double 1-2 all way from defence to attack.

07 May 2016 21:28:12
Benteke's goal was hit cleaner than Rooney's vs Man City that won goal of the century, so that goal by a country mile. Although I can think of at least ten goals off the top of my
head that were better than Rooney's vs City. Followed by Lallana's winner vs Norwich and Lovren's vs Dortmund, but maybe those two are only so great because of the nature of those games. This season hasn't really been one for great goals has it? Other than Phil's magic moments and a couple of good team efforts.

08 May 2016 00:37:50
Firmino top corner against arsenal, like a perfect golf swing that was.

08 May 2016 01:09:59
Lovren's header against Dortmund ;)

08 May 2016 09:31:26
The rediculous disagreeing here is so frustrating.

Queue the disagree.

07 May 2016 10:54:20
Ed2, I'm not sure you'll be able to answer this but had the EL final struggled to fill larger stadiums in the past? Although this stadium is certainly on the smaller size my instinct is that if an English club wasn't involved it would be fine.

{Ed002's Note - No. It will be fine and there are lots of clubs that fill much larger stadia than Liverpool do every week. For some reason the supporters are moaning about it.}

07 May 2016 11:08:46
Ed I may have misunderstood what you meant but are you finding it weird that fans are moaning about not being able to go to a final?

{Ed002's Note - Of course. These are the same fans that were always saying they did not want to be in the Europa League and how worthless it is as a tournament.}

07 May 2016 11:19:04
Some are also saying they don't want to be in it next season. I find this strange. Basically they want to watch LFC in the final but don't want the hassle of having to qualify for the final. 😄.

07 May 2016 12:12:04
Fair enough ed. I think we played it well though, rested a lot of players in early stages, and once we got through the first knockout rounds, we knew we had a chance, so rightfully prioritised it. Now we have one game to win the cup, and get a place in CL, I'd love to be there. I'm not going to be, even if there was 30,000 more seats, but I know there will be a lot of disappointed fans.

{Ed002's Note - Sure, it is unfortunate.}

07 May 2016 15:11:53
Regarding fans hating the Europa league. I love the Europe league! It's an extra game I get to watch liverpool on a Thursday and normally on the following Sunday. It gives the manager a chance to keep the squad match fit and to give youth a chance. Granted od rather be in the champions league, but as a backup I really think it's benafiacial for the supporters and the manager if used properly. Edd's how do you like it?

07 May 2016 13:18:13
Overlooking the fact that Liverpool would fill an 80,000 seater stadium each week.

07 May 2016 15:56:22
To me, it is the disingenuous fans who say they hate the EL only because we were not in it or could not win it. Forfeiting competitions is nonsense. Had Utd, Bayern, Inter and us in 2001 discarded certain competitions, we would never have won the treble. I'm old school. Every trophy is worth fighting for and winning and I'm elated that Klopp feels that way and doesn't take opportunities to win trophies for granted.

07 May 2016 09:00:02
Just letting people know if your not already aware, but the LFC channel is free to watch this weekend.

07 May 2016 11:06:40
Only for virgin or sky subscribers tho I think?!

07 May 2016 11:19:27
Why is there something worth watching this weekend, because the coverage on that channel is shocking!

07 May 2016 06:56:27
One for Ed002, did we show any interest in Schmidt of Leverkusen before Klopp? Me and my mate were discussing managers when his name popped up.
In case someone goes mental, this was just an open ended discussion, nothing to do with our current manager or performance.

Krishna.

{Ed002's Note - No Krishna.}

07 May 2016 20:33:55
Thank you and have a nice day.

Krishna.

{Ed002's Note - And you.}

06 May 2016 23:57:13
ED2, i recall you saying most of the summer LFC would be extremely lucky to get Klopp as you heard he wasn't even on the owners radar until the very last moment, not to mention how much we are paying him (win bonus included) . My question is in hindsight do you now think the owners looked at it as the last roll of the deice? They have only been over for the cup final we lost this season and once more for the 6 month review/ stadium development. If we get champions league do you think they will finally take the money and run this time? As rumors have been going round about interested parties. With the stand set to be complete soon too i think they will see it as a now or never moment to sell and triple their money thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - The Owners have been trying to buy the league since they arrived - with the value of the club increasing because of the additional money from the television deal they will have to consider their options going forward.}

07 May 2016 06:53:01
Hi eds, but if the owners see that klopp can achieve winning team without further purchase, as biz men dun you think they will stop pumping in $ to buy the league title? I mean its all about ROI right?

{Ed002's Note - The club already has crippling debts and player changes will be made.}

07 May 2016 01:00:07
On reflection after the high of last night why can't we translate our form in Europe into the League? IF we get Champions league next season I think there will be a lot of incoming players because we will need a lot of quality to cope with those physically draining competitions. If we don't make Champions league then I think there will be less of an influx. I'm so excited about next season I can't wait. going to be a humdinger.

07 May 2016 06:44:51
I think we did well recently in the league until the last couple of games. We are concentrating on Europe right now so I think the changes to them team probably made us a little bit inconsistent at the moment.

07 May 2016 13:16:08
We don't hve the depth in quality, mentality ad consstency to maintain that edge in the league.

07 May 2016 16:06:29
Very few teams in the PL can do that currently. Even Spurs had to tank the EL to concentrate on the PL.