Liverpool Banter Archive June 07 2017

 

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07 Jun 2017 20:56:28
Ed002. Im trying to move on from the recent news and be positive mate. Regarding Salah, its gone a little quite with him, is there still a good chance of the deal happening if we offer what Roma want and Do you think we will?

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{Ed002's Note - I explained the situation earlier.}

07 Jun 2017 23:42:05
I reckon we've blown that too. The way the club is run is appalling. That's twice we've messed Salah around.


07 Jun 2017 19:38:34
Ed

Please give us some good news to put a 😁 on our faces again. So we can forget about this vvd farce by the club. Who's next on our list. Give us some inside info you have Please.

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07 Jun 2017 23:40:33
The clubs value did go up altho its probably gone down again now.


07 Jun 2017 19:38:12
Ed001 or Ed002 if you are around, could you please explain the situation with VVD as you know it? Quite clearly, Liverpool have once again proved themselves to be incompetent when it comes to the matters of transfers.

In the past, the blame was almost always attached to Ian Ayre when things didn't go well on the transfer front, but clearly, this is a systemic issue at LFC and whoever is making these calls needs to be let go and a real good shake up is needed at the club. Not the best start for Moore, Edwards and Gordon.

Ultimately, FSG need to show they know what is going on at the club they own and put the right people in place and for that they need to probably get help from people who know football.

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{Ed002's Note - The situation is that the club and Klopp are guilty of making another illegal approach for a player. It is unacceptable and if Liverpool continue in the manner it will end with a transfer ban. Making public apologies makes it embarrassing for the club. Perhaps a ban would drive the point home to the club and Klopp?}

08 Jun 2017 00:21:01
Eds, pardon my stupidity but when you say Klopp do you mean that he himself has approached the player personally? If that's the case then I'm even more embarrassed.


{Ed002's Note - Yes, Klopp has approached players but this tapping up situation at Liverpool has been going on for years.}

08 Jun 2017 00:54:30
If this has been going on for years, then clearly, it is not Klopp that needs to be careful alone but the people running the show. I think you have to portion some level of responsibility in this to FSG as they make the decisions to put people like Edwards, Chang etc in place.


{Ed001's Note - that is no excuse for Klopp to do it.}

07 Jun 2017 19:11:55
What do you expect to happen now eds. Who is the guilty party and how's it going to be dealt with internally? If we are lucky to escape an fa/ fifa punishment that is.

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{Ed002's Note - The club and Klopp are both guilty.}

07 Jun 2017 19:09:39
Ed002, goodaye mate, can you see liverpool getting a transfer ban in your opinion? is the statement they have made to prevent this, or is it admitting guilt?

Thanks babe.

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{Ed002's Note - The apology is what Liverpool hope will end matters - as it did last time they were caught doing this in the Premier League. They also had two written warnings last year over illegal approaches made to Bundesliga players last summer and were warned by UEFA after multiple fines last time they played in Europe. Currently they are serving an academy ban and have a potentially embarrassing court case to deal with - although they may now try to avoid that by putting their hand in their pocket.}

07 Jun 2017 23:50:34
What do you mean by putting hand in their pocket ed? Sorry if it's a stupid question. Haha.


{Ed002's Note - Paying up to make the court case go away.}

08 Jun 2017 04:43:49
Who were the two Bundesliga players Ed? Dahoud and someone?


{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

07 Jun 2017 19:08:30
Hey ed

We are now are a complete joke of a embarrassment. Who the hell keeps screwing this over and over again at liverpool. Whom in there right mind want to do business with us now. Ed what should fsg be doing now to resolve this in house. Decisions need to be made to sort this out.

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{Ed002's Note - As I have said, the club need to be smarter and abide by the rules - else they take the consequences.}

07 Jun 2017 23:37:30
Ed002. You should offer your services and you'd be a popular choice.


{Ed002's Note - Maybe one of my wives would be the one to have doing the negotiations.}

08 Jun 2017 00:23:53
At least one of your wives will be more discrete.


08 Jun 2017 01:07:12
And know how to close the deal a eh ed nudge nudge.


{Ed002's Note - Actually I am very serious about this.}

07 Jun 2017 19:05:01
Eds what's your view on the salah and Martins ordeal, salah last season proved he's what we need, £35m yet martins release is £46.5m ( negotiationable £40m ) and doesn't seem half the threat going by stats and looks rather clumsy, why are we playing around with Roma? What's the chances of salah signing this time when last time he was messed around now it seems we're doing it again? Many thanks lads.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained about Salah. The release clause is of no relevance to Liverpool.}

07 Jun 2017 18:46:37
LFC Announcement ending interest in VVD. Is this still a smart thing to say EDs?

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{Ed002's Note - It is a very embarrassing statement for the club to have to make.}

07 Jun 2017 22:20:33
Gutted on vvd but now we must make a statement by going and getting salah, mendy, keita, pereira? Full backs should be number 1 priority in my eyes that's our Biggest problem as we are so narrow at times and need attacking full backs for width which is why we struggled against the teams that sat back and defended against us! Is there a centre back you think we could look to now? Would love to hear your thoughts on where we go from here eds?

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{Ed025's Note - lindelof looks good to me frosty..

07 Jun 2017 23:11:44
I thought he's off to United ed.


{Ed025's Note - they are in for him brazil but as we know with transfers can change very quickly mate..

07 Jun 2017 23:23:00
Been saying VNL since january, Ed025, and not just because I'm swedish. A John Stones that actually can defend. Steal him from them!


{Ed025's Note - he looks good andy and would be in the same price bracket as VVD i would imagine so why not..

07 Jun 2017 23:23:20
Lindelof is going to the Mancs Ed025. Funnily enough they'll get him too. Because even Woodward looks competent compared to our shower of sh*t administration!


{Ed025's Note - probably FMS but thats the calibre of player you need mate..

07 Jun 2017 22:15:54
Just had a prep back in time through the archives, good times! Who remembers copy/ pasting entire conversations in order to join them? Madness!

I had also conpletely forgotten ed's absolute adoratuij fir Hinda.

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07 Jun 2017 22:08:48
Why do transfers involving Liverpool always seem so complicated. Why do we make them complicated. In the statement they go on to say "We are sorry for the misunderstanding". As a lifelong Liverpool fan, I for one would like some clarity on the "misunderstanding" from the club. Maybe I'd find it easier to accept and move on. Let's hope we get other targets over the line legitimately and with no complications.

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07 Jun 2017 23:43:59
The club could'nt write much other than "misunderstanding". Any other phrase would be admitting responsability. That would be bad if FA decides to follow up or investigate. I've followed this club since the early 70s, I can't remember beeing more embarrassed by the club. And how about VVD, the guy is left out to dry. Imagine the Southampton fans now.
And our club is already banned because of bad behaviour on a KID transfer! I feel so sad. Something revolutionary must be done, the club can not live with this culture.

It seems to me that transfers starts going bad as soon the club says " we won't be held ransom in the transfermarket". Instead LFC seems to hold the selling club to ransom.


07 Jun 2017 23:16:12
Given that Southampton still wants the FA to investigate LFC, despite the public apology and declaring no further interest in VVD, this is what it seems to be (to me) . At some point LFC must have talked to Southampton, and they must have said "no, bugger off, we've already given you 6 players in the last 3 years" (nobody is stupid enough to want to buy a player without talking to his contracted team) . LFC decided to pursue the player anyway, thinking they and the player could force Southampton's hand. And then the stories about VVD preferring LFC over ManC and Chelsea came out. The champagne corks started flying. And Southampton basically said "hey, that's our player. Now watch us teach you a listen in Premier League basics".

So this is the nature of the "misunderstanding".


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has not spoken with Southampton about the player. Other clubs have.}

08 Jun 2017 00:16:08
Ed002 - If that's the case then it's just very stupid and naive. And that's putting it mildly, considering the recent similar problems we've been having. Now we all sit and wait for the consequences.


08 Jun 2017 01:11:19
Its bloody diarespectful is what it is mate, just run roughshod because they percieve lfc to be what, better than them? Considering past misdemeanours with the same club you would think they would just do it by the book.


07 Jun 2017 21:50:58
I believe the time has come for Liverpool to appoint someone with a proper footballing brain i. e. Director of Football.

One adept person in charge of all footballing matters and others follow his lead.

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07 Jun 2017 22:06:40
Hello all, first time posting, was just wondering if any of the Eds could tell me if FSG are prepared to take the club where we need to be or are we just a profit maker for them? Thanks in advance for any reply, I admire the work you's Eds do.

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{Ed025's Note - welcome joe, FSG are trying to move the club forward and have invested copious ammounts of money into the project, they have paid off debts, improved the stadium and provided decent transfer kitty.s mate, yes they are a business but liverpools success is the best way for them to make a profit..

07 Jun 2017 23:19:48
Thanks a lot for the reply Ed, am I wrong in saying the transfer kitty's they have provided have mostly came from outgoing player sales? Quite some talk aswell about the anfield road redevelopment being provided by the fans and not FSG, again just what I've heard and wondered if true?


{Ed025's Note - net spends on transfers mean very little joe, liverpool have one of the highest wage bill,s in the EPL and to sustain that along with the other outlay they have means ploughing in some major dosh mate..

08 Jun 2017 13:04:45
Fully understand Ed thanks again for the reply and helping me understand a bit more :)


{Ed025's Note - no probs joe..

07 Jun 2017 22:06:17
Hi Eds sorry if this sounds a stupid question . not that I'm trying to make a case for Klopps almighty balls up but is the "Tapping" rule seen in the same light in Germany as it apparently is here? Would this be something Klopp would have known could have caused a collapse of a potential deal?

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{Ed025's Note - it is the same rules in germany jcw, klopp and everyone else at the club are well aware of these rules. they just chose to flout them mate..

07 Jun 2017 23:10:49
Nobody is to blame here but the person responsible for contacting his agent, he wanted Liverpool, Southampton should have been contacted immediately and negotiations should have begun there, not VVD's contract and his agents slice. I completely understand Southampton's frustration. Frankly its not lack of ambition that costs us in the transfer market, its our reputation with previous transfer dealings that make clubs stick the middle finger up, United, City, Chelsea all seem to follow procedure (at least in regards to high profile transfers), why don't we?


07 Jun 2017 23:12:16
Cheers Ed . I'm just looking for a way to forgive ;)


{Ed025's Note - things will get sorted very soon mate..

07 Jun 2017 21:51:16
Ok Guys (and Gals), everyone seems to be grieving somewhat, and I agree that LFC has not had a great recent track record with transfers, especially with regard to tapping up and illegal approaches etc. However I thought I would try and throw some names out there that would undoubtedly improve our starting 11 and given we apparently seem willing to "splash some cash" this window in order to push on from last season how about one of each from the following categories?
CB: Jonathan Tah, Niklas Süle, Victor Lindelöf, Alessio Romagnoli, Aymeric Laporte, Daniele Rugani, Andreas Christensen.
LB: Benjamin Mendy, Lucas Digne, Wendell, Yannick Gerhardt, Jordan Amavi, Raphaël Guerreiro, José Luis Gayá.
RB: João Cancelo, Nélson Semedo, Elseid Hysaj, Mitchell Weiser, Mattia De Sciglio, Rick Karsdorp.
Wing: Mohamed Salah, Federico Bernardeschi, Ángel Correa, Domenico Berardi, Iñaki Williams, Florian Thauvin, Quincy Promes.
My point being is that there are options/ alternatives out there (and many I haven't included) and the window isn't even open yet. Fingers crossed (this time) some lessons have been learnt, my glass is usually half full, (of beer quite often) .
We go again.

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07 Jun 2017 22:48:43
Florian Thauvin? Isn't he the one that wasn't good enough for Newcastle when they got relegated?


07 Jun 2017 22:55:27
Sule agreed a move to Bayern ages ago.
Why do we keep repeating his name?


08 Jun 2017 01:12:18
Not grief anger.


07 Jun 2017 21:53:01
If the club have any sense then tomorrow they contact Roma and pay the full asking price for salad, deflect some attention. They go to Monaco and pay the full asking price and wage of Mendy to get the guy that was first choice, show they can do a big deal properly and to get fans back on side. They then look to get Keita in and do it all above board and quickly, then they need to look at CB after this whole mess has calmed down.

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07 Jun 2017 22:35:10
100% agree.


07 Jun 2017 22:39:43
Wishful thinking, as the club just can't seem to do business properly, there is always some type of problem regarding big players that ends up (9 time out of 10) us not signing the player. That being said I would definitely pay the full asking price for a salad.


07 Jun 2017 22:56:33
Or perhaps wait until the transfer window opens?


07 Jun 2017 21:14:12
It's really embarrassing the way the club have handled the whole VVD affair. Whether he would have been worth the money or not is not for me to say. One thing is for certain he would have been a definite upgrade on what we have got and a real leader in defence which we lack. Going to be gutting seeing him in a Chelsea, City, United or Arsenal shirt next season!

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07 Jun 2017 22:08:18
Why hasn't edwards resigned / been sacked yet this is as bad any transfer catastrophe gets.


07 Jun 2017 22:08:18
Why hasn't edwards resigned / been sacked yet this is as bad any transfer catastrophe gets.


{Ed025's Note - there will be a need for an inquiry first mate..

08 Jun 2017 01:13:28
Nothing will happen ed, would not be surprised if this behaviour was sanctioned it happens so often.


{Ed001's Note - it is very much in line with the kind of things that happen in corporate culture and the kind of recruiting tactics that cause problems in American sports. College sports mainly, as the agents and recruiters employ a lot of dirty tactics to get the up and coming stars.}

07 Jun 2017 22:41:27
Making mistakes at LFC is a good thing, if anything he got major brownie points for this.


07 Jun 2017 22:43:55
Spanish Inquisition ed025!


{Ed025's Note - i would imagine so FMS..

07 Jun 2017 21:04:01
Presumably with Edwards in that role he will handle all negotiations and transfers. If that's not happening then it should be. Not because he is the right guy, but purely because of his position it is the right way to allocate the duties. Klopp shoild be focusing on football matters at the club, that is all. Will wait for more details, but it would not surprise if Klopp got his tongue flappin prematurely here. Would love to see the full story soon.!

A note about the eds. I think that some of ya need to keep in check the info we get. It is the best itk info we can get but my assumption is that because they are receiving info second-hand, that literally anything can happen between their inside knowledge and things happening. As evidenced today. don't blame the eds, its far more reliable and knowledgeable info we're privvy too than the rags. Kia kaha eds (stay strong eds)!

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{Ed025's Note - at the top of the page you will see the words..TRANSFER RUMOURS faith, when we open a "set in stone" site it will be policed differently mate.. :)

07 Jun 2017 21:35:16
Im pretty sure klopp has nothing to do with transfer negotiations and is only involved in identifying targets.


07 Jun 2017 21:44:43
hi Ed025 I bet you can't stop laughing. I don't know what to think about this complete mess. Surely even we must have finally learned our lesson and this is the last time. I am not sure players will care too much about it.

I think we will spend £180m so just hope we invest it wisely and we might even call the selling club first.


{Ed025's Note - im taking no pleasure in it at all mark mate, liverpool have very passionate supporters who pay good money to support the club some i bet beyond their means, your right about it being a mess alright but these things tend to blow over..

07 Jun 2017 22:03:54
To be ed. Its sall good when someones mate got a taxi who had just picked up ian ayres wife who informed him that he couldn't pick her up because he was in rome for some reason.

But when someone comes on saying salag is 100% done. Vvd is done. Im not having a go but sure that doesn't count as a rumour anymore. Eseciallt when someone with maccas credibility says it.

Theres no hard feelings from me. As mucb as i hate to say it for all of us but unless its on ob skysports the deal usually isn't done.


{Ed025's Note - i know what your saying supermane but i dont think its done with any malice, some information can be unconfirmed or as in the VVD case less than legal but im sure its provided with the best of intentions mate..

07 Jun 2017 22:15:42
Nice one. I was thinking that, bigger scandals have happened and they do blow over. We might be best paying Roma the asking price and moving on.


07 Jun 2017 22:20:36
ed25 - just saying that when your guys inside word doesn't quite work out, it ain't cos the eds were wrong as some are suggesting.


{Ed025's Note - thats right faith, not all information can be 100% which is why we tend to err on the side of caution mate..

07 Jun 2017 23:01:09
Yeah i get it lad.

Its just when it ends in confirmed or done. Its takin literally. Througj good reason aswel. End of the if we didn't trust and believe in these guys then noone would be getting angry. Its only because we know how spot on they are that you believe it.

Same as ed with kovacic. When he says something that's it, shes always spot on, but he's not a wizard.

We haven't lost any trust and i want to personally thank macca for making the effort to give us some news.


07 Jun 2017 20:56:43
Im just going to point out how we are all feeling, its not just anger and its not just frustration that something like this has happened yet again but its embarrassment.
In front of all fans of other clubs, in front of all football fans worldwide, yet again in front of all our own fans we are in the middle of a joke of a situation.
Please do not give any comments about overreaction or how he wasnt worth the money, i've been a fan over 40 years and im really tired of the same old nonsense, someone somewhere for a start can't keep their mouthes shut when it comes to our business, Klopp if being a part of this like it seems has zero excuses at all and is just as accountable as our very shabby boardroom ethics, heres a wacky idea, identify targets, go through the right channels and most of all pay the soddin asking price! We keep lowballing these offers in and trying to save two bob everywhere and its not working.
I thought this summer was going to be different but already there is talk of cheaper alternatives and a winger at more money than Salah tbat we've never heard of.
Sorry everyone but im embarrassed right now and its becoming normal.

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{Ed025's Note - i think most feel the same richie..

07 Jun 2017 21:36:00
Fair comment Richie - we really need to improve our dealings with other clubs and build respect, not worsen our name in the game.

I sincerely hope there is something constructive behind the scenes and despite the embarrassment this means we have something closed for Salah soon and another good CB target in mind.

Liverpool please sort this cr@p out, it's not in keeping with the great legacy of this club.


07 Jun 2017 21:41:38
I think it's all part of the premier league circus.
The whole thing game is laughable and surreal.
£75m for a slightly above average footballer, yet we have kids waking up not knowing whether they will have any clean drinking water.
I can't take the premier league seriously and so I can't get myself upset over anything that happens.
Southampton have literally "told the teacher" today.
It's like a school playground full of billionaires.


{Ed025's Note - well said ron mate..

07 Jun 2017 21:58:13
Top post Richie, really hope this was more stupidity and ignorance than anything clandestine. Whatever the case it really is embarrassing and needs to be dealt with immediately. As for Martins I cannot see the logic in spending more money for less quality right now. Unless its something else that's holding up the Salah deal I really cannot rationalize it, in literally 48 hours the club have managed to kill my preseason buzz.


07 Jun 2017 21:58:13
Top post Richie, really hope this was more stupidity and ignorance than anything clandestine. Whatever the case it really is embarrassing and needs to be dealt with immediately. As for Martins I cannot see the logic in spending more money for less quality right now. Unless its something else that's holding up the Salah deal I really cannot rationalize it, in literally 48 hours the club have managed to kill my preseason buzz.


07 Jun 2017 22:24:54
Your over reaction is an embarrassment.

"And most of all pay the soddin asking price! "

Sounds like a great business plan.


07 Jun 2017 22:28:16
Post of the day for me.


07 Jun 2017 20:55:26
So the internet found out that VVD had agreed to move to us. The first person I heard it from was Macca. So did Macca believe that Southampton had given permission to us to talk to the player and we just needed to negotiate the deal once he said he was interested?

Is this why ed002 was a bit wary of saying anything on the matter and told us to ask someone else?

Does this sort of discussion happen on a regular basis? (Players agreeing to join) It's just Southampton had to distance themselves from it once it was leaked to the media due to legal responsibilities. For example, do all teams do this, just in this instance, somebody leaked it to the media and Southampton had an obligation to report it? I'm probably so far off the mark it's ridiculous, but just curious due to something an ex player has said on the subject.

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07 Jun 2017 22:06:28
Think it's common practice, or Jamie carragher seems to think so.

He had also spoke to city and Chelsea according to reports and lukaku apparently has agreed to join another club but there's no reports of a team or fee agreed. my guess it goes on at most levels and is acceptable unless leaked.


07 Jun 2017 22:06:28
Think it's common practice, or Jamie carragher seems to think so.

He had also spoke to city and Chelsea according to reports and lukaku apparently has agreed to join another club but there's no reports of a team or fee agreed. my guess it goes on at most levels and is acceptable unless leaked.


07 Jun 2017 20:39:28
Hi all who is Heldon Martin? what's he like? anyone enlighten.

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07 Jun 2017 21:12:53
You tell me; never heard of him.


07 Jun 2017 21:29:24
Mediocre Portuguese winger. About all you can say really. Doesn't really stand out, no big clubs have looked at him, 6 goals and 9 assists according to whoscored in a weak league.


07 Jun 2017 21:42:23
He's Bozo Texino's civil partner.


07 Jun 2017 22:26:59
Some half decent winger in the Portuguese league. Markovic 2.0 imo. Has pace to burn, gets past players at ease and then messes up the final delivery. We are just signing another Markovic imo.
First VVD and now Salah. Its just embarrassing for everyone connected to LFC.


07 Jun 2017 22:45:53
He's Bozo Texino's retromingent life partner.


07 Jun 2017 20:33:19
05 Jun 2017 16:23:59
Can I just refer to the post I sent 3 days ago (below) . say no more!

I know this wasn't to do with greed from the player front, but never ever allow yourself to be drawn in to a done deal until they have signed.


I have been supporting LFC nearly 40 years and in my experience, we shouldn't celebrate or welcome in any new faces until they are signed and sealed.

We also need to calm down and allow the Eds to get all the relevant information to pass on first before we all start making our own assumptions as to what LFC are doing and planning on doing.

I have my own wish list in terms of players coming in and indeed those going the other way, but I am also a realist in this crazy market place as to what actually can and will happen. Money talks now, loyalty and the want to play unfortunately, usually comes second or even third etc.
Tilly2479.

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{Ed025's Note - good post tilly mate..

07 Jun 2017 20:18:35
On a brighter note, we still have the mighty Lovren and Klavan.

😂😂😂.

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07 Jun 2017 20:36:37
Way to support the team lad.

Werent they part of the players who delievered champions league?


07 Jun 2017 20:26:40
I think I'm going to be sick. That's next season written off then.


07 Jun 2017 21:22:51
Get used to it because that's what we're going to end up with in defence. Expect to ship a lot of goals next year also. Donkeys at this club from top to bottom.


{Ed025's Note - sigh..

07 Jun 2017 21:27:22
Way to support my team? The sacrifices I've made following my team home and way for over 30 years!

Just like any supporter on here, I'm entitled to my opinion and you have no right whatsoever to tell me how to support my team - lad.


07 Jun 2017 21:30:29
Supermane they were part of the team that failed to win the league.


07 Jun 2017 22:09:42
Its not an opinion its an insult to two of our players.

The sacrifices you have made. Bloody hell lad its not like we did a leeds.

Champions league, fa cups, im sure you saw the 2001 season, infact you saw the last league win aswel. The players you have seen grace our club. Some on here can only dream of seing the fowlers, rushs, barnes etc.

Defo a 1st world problem there mate.

We have lost out on one alright cb. Still got the champions league next year. The leagues going to come, just be patient and remember when you actually got to see us win one unlike the rest of us.


07 Jun 2017 22:23:34
Some of these "fans" can be an embarrassment. We messed up move on crap happens.

Slate the team will do what exactly? We are not league title worthy haven't been for years that's the way it is BUT we have made strides to improve and the boys currently at the club got us to where we are now back in europes main comp.

Lighten up and stop making a show of LFC!


07 Jun 2017 20:17:59
How embarrassing. Who exactly is instigating these "approaches"? FSG? Edwards? Or does klopp set up a whatsapp group for tapping up players? There's an idea "whatsTAP".

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07 Jun 2017 20:28:27
I'll get Sherlock right on it, Matlock.


07 Jun 2017 21:18:30
Thaaaanks.

I thought the whole point of tapping up a player was to keep it quiet? It seems like someone at the club can't hold their piss. Maybe it was VVD. Do we really want a player who can't keep his mouth shut? I joke because it's the only thing keeping me from going to bed to softly weep.


07 Jun 2017 20:17:42
Just wondering who we are likely to go for instead of VVD now?
De Vrij, Nastasic, Keane, Tah, Sule, Christiansen?
A lot of talent there but I'd be hoping for someone proven in Champs League.
Koubaily, Verane, Marquinos, Giminez.

Any ideas on who we will go for?

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07 Jun 2017 20:37:11
Gibson.


07 Jun 2017 20:52:15
Verane who just won the champions league with Madrid? Yeah he'll probably wanna come.


07 Jun 2017 20:29:12
Joe Gomez.


07 Jun 2017 20:29:41
Nastasic is poor in the air, as is DeVrij and Marquinhos. Sule has joined Bayern. Verane is a non starter and Ed001 said Koulibaly is a donkey. As are Keane and Maguire. Our owners want to do it on the cheap, so draw your own conclusions.


07 Jun 2017 20:31:32
Well Spa, De Vrij has been approached. Sule is off to Bayern. As for the rest, they are either not for sale (Marquinhos, Khoulbaly or Varane) and the others, I don't know.


07 Jun 2017 21:16:12
Doesn't matter if De Vrij isn't as strong as Matip in the air, he's a ball playing centre back and is a great deal if we can get him for 25 mil euros.


07 Jun 2017 21:37:44
Oh yeah. Gibson, he's the standard that we go for. Mediocre. This is probably the one time that I hope an owner says he won't deal with us.


07 Jun 2017 22:04:08
How bout we try and see what kind of chemistry Matip and Louvren develop, I really feel they could become quite good. And if it's not working look in January.


{Ed025's Note - the only problem with that 420 is that you could be out of the CL and too far back in the league when you decide its not working mate..

07 Jun 2017 22:04:08
How bout we try and see what kind of chemistry Matip and Louvren develop, I really feel they could become quite good. And if it's not working look in January.


07 Jun 2017 20:34:04
Ed002, did you find out of the interest/ bid for Di Vrij was true or not mate please? Would make some sense after todays news.


{Ed002's Note - I am travelling at present.}

07 Jun 2017 22:43:03
Centre back is not a priority. Fullbacks and a winger are.


07 Jun 2017 20:14:56
Not posted in a while. i dontwant to bash the club but its a shock thought was nailed on for vvd but we move on just hope we get Salah. And a striker and a LB not askin for much lol we will probably go wild with a silly bid for someone now to appease everyone. We need to sort our sh@t out now hope FSG Sort it Roll some heads . Rafa any 1 lol (joke) ynwa.

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07 Jun 2017 20:35:15
Looks like we have moved on from Salah too, mate. But still hoping for it to go through.


07 Jun 2017 20:14:06
My question about this whole VVD saga is who exactly was responsible for the dealings? Was it Edwards? Klopp?

Someone needs to pull the reigns in and stop this nonsense from repeating over and over again.

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07 Jun 2017 21:58:09
Whoever was in charge and I presume Edwards, they need to sort out a new system with a flowchart, when they can tick off stages of a transfer! Yes, primary school stuff, but if it needs doing, it needs doing!


07 Jun 2017 21:58:09
Whoever was in charge and I presume Edwards, they need to sort out a new system with a flowchart, when they can tick off stages of a transfer! Yes, primary school stuff, but if it needs doing, it needs doing!


{Ed025's Note - he intended doing that keith..but his crayon broke.. :)

08 Jun 2017 00:42:50
Haha, your responses make up for some of this crap going on, Ed.


{Ed025's Note - you have to try and smile keith to stop yourself cracking up mate..

07 Jun 2017 20:12:04
The deal for VVD is over? Okay, move on.

What's done is done. The club have apologised and that's it. Really nothing to be gained from us all posting about 'how awful it is'.

Like ED025 (the speaker of sense! ) said we're not the first and we won't be the last!

Now, let's get Salah, De Vrij, Keita and Robertson done and sit comfortable knowing key areas are solved - any additional activity will be gravy.

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{Ed001's Note - the world really is coming to an end if Ed025 is now a bastion of good sense!}

07 Jun 2017 20:31:03
DeVrij is pretty poor in the air, so how our scouts think he'll cope against pulisball is anyone's guess.


07 Jun 2017 20:58:07
Does Robertson solve left back? And is de vrij better than what we have? I'm not so sure but it stays close to my expectations of a hit and miss summer. Hit being players that are clear improvements on what we have and miss, the players that will have to prove people wrong. Thus far not many 'miss' players have proved people wrong so we can likely expect business as usual. Players like Robertson is definitely business as usual. Anyway I better pack it in, people will say I'm moaning for talking the truth, I will just pretend we're not a club in the CL.


07 Jun 2017 20:58:18
Sometimes ed25 is the only voice of reason on here!


07 Jun 2017 20:20:53
You've given him too much power 01, he's usurped you from your throne.

Rumour has it, he even has his own Facebook aprroatopn page, and it has more likes thanks Ed02s .


{Ed001's Note - that would only happen if he creates himself multiple FB accounts to like it through....}

07 Jun 2017 20:10:25
Just put sakho back in defence.

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07 Jun 2017 20:35:00
Pity but yeah, would have loved to see him and Matip partnering up.

Not going to happen.


07 Jun 2017 20:05:00
I told you the other day the club was still using rick parrys idiot guide to transfers.

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07 Jun 2017 20:15:19
Nice one, Kloppcat. We really have to laugh otherwise, we will cry regarding this shambles.


07 Jun 2017 20:31:58
I've already put my foot through the ****er and sent Rick Parry the bill.


07 Jun 2017 20:03:21
Well and truly gutted about VVD. It would have been a real statement intent but once again the poor negotiations have let us down. Macca, have you got anything to add on this? Can you offer some light at the end of the tunnel?

On a lighter note, how can we eff up negotiations with our feeder club? Lol

Thanks

Kam.

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07 Jun 2017 20:07:05
Didn't he say it was done? I'm the laughing stock of the group chat now : (.


07 Jun 2017 20:12:11
I've been there benny last year I was telling anyone who'd listen one of MSN would be sold and I became the laughing stock. I've told everyone how wenger would retire at the end of this year as he told the board years ago. I know exactly how you feel.


{Ed001's Note - to be fair, Barca have been willing to sell one of the MSN for years now. Neymar was bought to be a replacement for Messi. It is just that no one can afford the deal to buy Messi and Barca can't afford the wages to keep him.}

07 Jun 2017 20:13:15
I am also the laughing stock in my chat group. This is really bad. I am so disappoint and short of words. What happened Liverpool. Someone should please do us a favour and tell us what happened. Certainly our people are not idiots to make such unforgivable mistakes. I am so so sad. This is really a sad day for the entire Liverpool club.


07 Jun 2017 20:02:36
Interestingly, the top 5 players (ranked by Transfermarkt value) who are available on a free now happen to fill the positions we need!

1) Navas - right wing, Mane switch to left.

2) Ibrahimovic

3) Lucas - keep him, support for defence and DM

4) Clichy - LB

5) Sagna - RB

Sorted, no tapping up, lol!

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07 Jun 2017 20:08:13
By the way, for those of you not used to a black sense of humour, I am of course joking!


07 Jun 2017 20:10:01
LOL. You really should be careful, Zed. There's enough people on here who'll take you seriously!


07 Jun 2017 20:11:03
Wow, every ed must've flocked to our board in the last hour or so!

Keep your chins up boys, and thanks for all the hard work!


{Ed001's Note - do you think I can sue the club if I get RSI from this??}

07 Jun 2017 20:16:55
Good one, Zed cos the reality is that not a single one of those players are better than ours in their positions hence, stats mean absolutely nothing.


07 Jun 2017 20:18:07
Clichy and Sagna would be decent back ups imo.


07 Jun 2017 20:24:55
Good lawd Zeddius, no wonder why this is the banter section.


07 Jun 2017 20:27:13
Not sure Ed001, were you able to sue 'Jugs' when you got RSI last time?

:)


{Ed001's Note - sadly no.}

07 Jun 2017 19:42:53
I just seen Lovren doing the conga outside the grafton.

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07 Jun 2017 20:17:54
Lovren is not out of the woods yet cos we are looking t De Vrij from Lazio but we may screw that up too hence, he still has a chance.


07 Jun 2017
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Liverpool FC van Dijk statement

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07 Jun 2017 19:59:15
I assume that dodgy goings on means this won't be the end of the matter? What an embarrassment, I'm genuinely gutted over this and hope it doesn't come back to bite us for the rest of the summer transfer window . if we still have one and it's not bricked up!

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07 Jun 2017 19:29:53
Macca, don't listen to the morons out in full force tonight. They're pissed off, we all are.

You and the Eds are our most reliable sources for news!

The club cocked up and will hopefully be lesson finally learnt. We all move on.

Cheers mate.

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{Ed025's Note - dead righ toon..

07 Jun 2017 20:10:10
This is nothing to do with Macca or any of the eds. This is rank incompetency that would make Southern Trains embarrassed.


07 Jun 2017 20:19:14
To my knowledge, Macca does not handle transfers at LFC even to, I wish he did so those slating him really need to behave otherwise they will get the business from the rest of us as we will defend him tooth and nail.


07 Jun 2017 20:06:29
Completely agree.

The announcement indicates that Macca was completely correct and frank in what he said - deal done with player and agent, need to agree fee with club.

No one would assume we'd be so daft as to not ensure the club were aware of what was going on.

Please stick with us Macca!


07 Jun 2017 19:58:11
why wouldn't liverpool do this the correct way and approach southampton, because from what i seen they were willing to sell VVD for the right price. what's the benefit of tapping up players to sign them, if a player wants to join a different club more or is offered more, how does tapping up player make them more likely sign than if they'd done it legally. I personally just don't any good side of doing this.

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07 Jun 2017 19:56:44
Not the end of the world regarding van dijk, surely there's players on a par with him for a lot less money.

Use the cash and go for lacazette.

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07 Jun 2017 20:02:28
We are not going to sign Lacazette. This has been repeated time and time again.

Maybe you can have him in your Fantasy Football team next season.


07 Jun 2017 20:02:33
Couldn't give a fiddlers about van Dijk, tbh, but further reputational damage, potential sanctions from the FA, FIFA or UEFA if we keep this nonsense up, and further evidence that the club may run by chimps really bothers me.


07 Jun 2017 20:11:17
Bit harsh on Chimps there something red. Chimps have some level of intelligence.


07 Jun 2017 20:28:12
Max

Anything can happen yet, we were getting van dijk yesterday lol.


07 Jun 2017 19:55:49
I'm not blaming the eds or macca this is another club debacle that sees us again having to vye for the alternative, as always, we as fans can hope for a change for 1 or 2 top quality players but let's face it's not going to happen so get ready for more rejects or players like aspas cause that's all we ever get, this wasn't about VVD per say it was us saying nah all the top boys won't come to you we are liverpool we have pedigree but instead get ready for yet more memes and vines of another LFC farse, when will it end?

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07 Jun 2017 20:03:49
Yeah sure the Eds and Macca teamed up against Liverpool and made them pull all interest.

Bet you ed25 was the ringleader. Damn you eds. and Macca

Get a grip mate your embarrassing yourself.


07 Jun 2017 20:20:51
If you are not blaming Macca or the Ed's then why mention them in your post, Mane. s?


{Ed025's Note - blame me if you want...then lets move on..

07 Jun 2017 20:28:41
I think you should get a grip on your reading skills mate. I clearly start by saying I wasn't blaming the eds or macca, as I've seen some fans annoyed here stating things like why say it's done, I just don't think we should shoot down the people who go out there way to give us info. if we decide to run with said info, get carried away, talk it up and then this happens, they come here getting arsey after repeatedly being told to wait till its over the line, you seem to be no different looking to take out anger on those who can actually read, you should of gone specs savers mate.


07 Jun 2017 19:49:55
From Sky:

The Premier League subsequently confirmed it was looking into the matter, but Sky sources understand that, as far as the league is concerned, the apology is the end of the matter and they are unlikely to take any further action.

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07 Jun 2017 19:38:38
What a difference 24 hours can make haha. Unbelievable geoff.

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07 Jun 2017 19:37:55
So. who are we looking at now instead of Van Dijk.

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07 Jun 2017 19:47:11
Stefan DeVrij from Lazio but be careful as we may have tapped him up too.


07 Jun 2017 19:37:06
This is a joke, right!? Are you actually kidding me!

I have to restrain myself from letting expletives fly all over this post until my fingers bleed. But are you actually being serious!?

How can you have discussions with both the player and the agent, have the deal agreed, and not realise you haven't spoken to the actual club. What the hell!?

How stupid can you be!? I was used to this incompetence with Ian Ayre but it seems we have brought in an even bigger buffoon. We are a joke, no wonder no ones wants to enter discussions with us.

Liverpool's image is in the dirt, we have tapped up players in both the youth and senior teams. We were punished for tapping up the young Stoke kid before pulling out at the last minute and leaving his family with thousands to pay in bills. We have become a heartless, clueless and inept club.

This is ridiculous. Someone must be made accountable for this, our player recruitment staff needs to be removed from their position immediately. This had been going on for far too long.

First we unsettle and clearly, and illegally, tap up Van Dijk. Now, the same is being said for Salah. This is beyond stupid. Whoever is in charge of transfer does not deserve the exorbitant wage we are paying them. They should give it to a worthy cause, like charity, and then never return to the club.

Unbelievable. Incompetence does not even begin to describe it.

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07 Jun 2017 19:48:41
My god, what a shambles. Can't help but laugh but it is tragic. Question: does this 'apology' mean we avoid any further action being taken?


07 Jun 2017 19:50:03
Has edwards left town yet surely he must be scared of getting lynched.


07 Jun 2017 20:00:33
😁
We are the most bipolar set of fans.


07 Jun 2017 19:45:28
Mate heads need to roll. If someone isn't accountable by tomorrow I'm cancelling my LFC membership. Not gunna contribute in revenue to this sshow.


07 Jun 2017 20:03:25
Like everyone i can't believe whoever was in these discussions didn't make 100% certain that we had permission. Surely it isn't too difficult to speak to a club. Eds was it the case that we asked and were refused permission? From the rumours going around now the deal would have been highly unlikely anyway with Southampton askin way more than we were led to believe.


{Ed001's Note - no permission was sought.}

07 Jun 2017 19:36:25
So what now for VVD? Players reputation at Southampton ruined because of LFC.

Guess the good things is that Soton will now get the fee they want should City and Chelsea decide to take it further.

Doubt Soton will keep VVD after this shambles.

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07 Jun 2017 19:53:01
This is the laughable thing. He'll end up at one of those clubs and we'll over pay for a joke of a player like Keane.


07 Jun 2017 20:01:25
VVD won't play for them again so it is now a question of where he will go. As for Saints, we should expect that they park the bus against us in every game we play for seasons to come.


07 Jun 2017 19:34:52
Heads need to roll for this. Gone on for too long. If Klopp is responsible as some sources seem to suggest then he needs to be brought to account too.

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07 Jun 2017 20:02:15
Spot on, tsteen. I love the guy but if he had anything to do with this then he should be ready to explain himself.


07 Jun 2017 19:34:27
Well, that's embarrassing and shameful of the club. Whether we believe that VVD was worth the fee or not, it is obvious that he would have greatly improved our defence.
Putting a positive spin on this debacle that's £60 million that can go towards a LB and other CB, but honestly our handling of transfers has been abysmal for many years and seriously needs addressing as we cannot and must not continue like this.

VVD has also now been put in a awkward position, hard to see him staying in Southampton and if as believed he rejected Chelsea and City would they rekindle their interest?

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07 Jun 2017 20:00:06
And so VVD is completely innocent in all this. I very much doubt it .


07 Jun 2017 20:13:21
VVD is not innocent in all this, that much is true. He didn't want to go to the clubs that came in for him so he prolly sent his agent to offer his services to us cos we did not contact him nor his agent first. Just my opinion BUT this does not excuse the pathetic incompetence that is infesting our club when it comes to player transfers.


07 Jun 2017 19:34:06
Ed1, do you think we'll move on to a new cb target now or has our appalling behaviour with vvd effectively ended our attempts to sign one) since he was the only apparent target.

Also, as a caveat, would it have been the premier league who made us apologise for the way we treated vvd or would that have been what Southampton wanted?

Thanks Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - I have no idea right now with regards to either question.}

07 Jun 2017 19:47:39
OK thanks for replying though Ed1, do you think we'll ever learn?


{Ed001's Note - no, sadly not.}

07 Jun 2017 19:33:34
Who now then lads now the vvd is off?

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07 Jun 2017 19:39:20
Hopefully Joe Gomez as cover and sign a bloody left back!


07 Jun 2017 20:01:43
Get Steven Caulker back 😩.


07 Jun 2017 19:26:30
Re- Virgil van Dijk

Oh well, move on.
Back to Plan 'A' where Klopp had stated that there was no interest in new centre backs.

Or, if Plan 'B' is still operating, move onto Stefan de Vrij.

No point everyone getting bent out of shape on here.

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07 Jun 2017 19:35:15
De Vrij, talk about a downgrade.


07 Jun 2017 19:37:16
Well I hope if we were going to fork out on vvd we use tge money to get mendy who is an absolute mist this window.


07 Jun 2017 19:38:42
This is almost every year, we mess about in the transfer market. We had a top quality player willing to move to us and we messed it up. If our first plan was to stick with what we have, how well do you think that's going to go with champions league football considering what we saw last season, and the season before that, and the season before that. There is no top defensive coach to get the best out of what we have, so that's why you bring in better players. I'm pretty sure we are still going to bring in a Cb, but that player will be below vvd standard and a typical Liverpool transfer.

The reason people are fed up is because Liverpool is run by amateurs. If we missed our top targets, that's how it goes but then alternatives shouldn't be miles below target A which they always are at Liverpool. People are tired of LFC making the same mistake over and over again, commiting offence after offence then apologising about it as if they knew exactly what they did. Liverpool are great at talking the talk but a shambles at walking the walk.


07 Jun 2017 19:46:05
No toys left in your pram, Liverpool4Life.
De Vrij is a damn good centre back.


07 Jun 2017 20:11:59
Don't know what Lazio team you've been watching pal. but to me that is a big step down from VVD. All entitled to opinion thou I guess lol.


07 Jun 2017 20:14:24
Spot on, Killingholme. De Vrij was on BR's radar in 2013 and he has improved ever since so I wouldn't mind him at all.


07 Jun 2017 20:06:23
Spot on, Kman92. Whether we got VVD or not is not even the issue anymore as many of us initially, are not sold on him even tho, I would be happy to have him. The issue here is the rank incompetence and amateurish way we go about things. tapping up players? Really? Who does not know that it is illegal? I guess LFC, apparently. Who would want to deal with us now? Don't be surprised if clubs don't wanna deal with us this season, lads.


07 Jun 2017 19:26:16
genuinely thought this was the window to bring some success back to the club. Effing shambles and it hasn't even started properly yet.
Really don't have any faith we'll address defensive problems properly.
Can someone tell me what Moore has been doing throughout all this nonsense? Driving Jurgen to the potential players houses at 5am or something.

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07 Jun 2017 19:38:02
True but I do hope we do get a decent centre half. It's questionable as to whether VVD would have solved all our defensive problems but he would certainly have beeen an improvement. I wonder if Lovren is smiling again🤔.


07 Jun 2017 20:07:13
De Vrij from Lazio is a very good CB but who knows? We may have tapped him up too and Lazio won't wanna sell after that.


07 Jun 2017 19:22:43
On the bright side.

At least we can't sign Shane Long now if SFC are p'$$€d at us.

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07 Jun 2017 19:21:36
EPl have apparently accepted our apology and will take no further action re VVD.

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07 Jun 2017 19:37:05
Ultimatum of ending interest in the player or possible transfer ban? just a thought.


07 Jun 2017 19:20:09
Just as a neutral, I'm amazed you've done it again. Surely the club should have learned from Dempsey, Zielinski, the youth debacle? Stunned at the official statement as well, you've basically admitted you illegally approached Van Dijk and that means the FA can still act on it. It's utterly ridiculous and shambolic. Van Dijk was overpriced, but this combined with the Salah deal stalling really looks bad on your club.

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07 Jun 2017 19:39:41
I agree it does look bad. I thought all this was behind us. With the new guy in I thought his first move would have been to make sure there were no more hiccups.


07 Jun 2017 19:28:53
Thanks for your input.
Valued, it isn't.
Off you trot.


07 Jun 2017 19:19:29
First time poster, long time follower.
Can't believe the way the club are going about transfers.
We must be the laughing stock across Europe.
Guaranteed that we will now have to over pay for any transfer that happens this Summer.
Absolute joke.

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07 Jun 2017 19:19:22
Anyone point me in the direction if a list of free agents?

Gonna send it to club so we can see through signing player on without f'ing it up.

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07 Jun 2017 19:32:34
Surprise swoop to resign Martin Kelly, anyone?!


07 Jun 2017 19:18:59
I guess we can forget about Salah. Which club is going to want to deal with us now?

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07 Jun 2017 19:26:10
More probable clubs will just hike prices up when they deal with us. Money talks.


07 Jun 2017 19:18:33
Reading (twitter folks so probably bull) but Spurs are to re-kindle their interest in Salah and have spoken to his representatives.

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07 Jun 2017 19:16:59
Ed1 what do you make about what's gone with vvd.

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{Ed001's Note - it is just par for the course with us these days. About time these problems were sorted. There is just no need for this stupidity.}

07 Jun 2017 19:25:11
The incompetence (VVD or not) at this club is deafening. There are Mom and Pop shops that are run way better than this club. Embarrassing!


07 Jun 2017 19:32:18
This is getting serious now Ed001. We have a massive season coming up and this, as you correctly put, stupidity could and most probably impact on further transfer dealings, leading to going into the new season without the squad depth we need.

FSG need to get a grip and ensure that whoever is accountable , is dealt with in the correct manner, I don't exclude klopp in this either.


{Ed001's Note - sack them all if need be, the club is more important than any of them.}

07 Jun 2017 19:55:38
Good luck with the next 24 hours mate! It's going to be a busy one for you, ed002 and ed0025!


{Ed001's Note - the club like to keep us on our toes that is for sure.}

07 Jun 2017 19:08:58
Absolutely disgraceful from the club. Whoever sanctioned or performed this "tapping up" of VVD should be brought to account. Zielinski last summer, the illegal signing of a youth player that got us a ban, it is just a shambles. We had a big name, rejected Chelsea and City for us, only for ourselves to once again make an utter mess of things. Really disappointing.

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07 Jun 2017 19:08:32
Now that we've ended our interest in VVD, perhaps the club should use that supposed £60 million and £200k a week to hire someone who actually knows and will follow the rules.

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07 Jun 2017 19:08:12
Do you think we could be looking at a transfer ban now that Liverpool have made an apology to Southampton for tapping up VVD which is basically an admission of guilt.

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07 Jun 2017 19:14:46
The case is being taken no further with an apology being enough.


07 Jun 2017 19:28:18
no, I think that this public apology is a must do, and I hope this will clear the air and LFC will now have to be more transparent with their transfer plans .


07 Jun 2017 19:05:47
Mistakes made, time to move on to other targets, just hope we do it properly.

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07 Jun 2017 19:11:41
It was all a smokescreen anyway.


07 Jun 2017 19:17:51
Yeah great, everything's just dandy. Apart from the transfer ban we'll probably get if we keep this up.

Sorry lads, this stuff is not ok. Whoever's driving this sort of nonsense at the club needs to be dealt with. Even if it's Klopp doing it. We can't continue like this.


07 Jun 2017 19:20:26
All macca said was he agreed to join us, everything was going fine till saints reported us.


07 Jun 2017 19:20:44
Gotta love the way a new account called 'hostile red' comes out of the woodwork at a time like this.

Not got the minerals to slate Macca on your regular account laddie?


07 Jun 2017 19:26:26
This surely cannot go on.


07 Jun 2017 19:31:43
Ha, its not so simple and easy as that, LFC now has a bad reputation thru the football world, time to get things right now . any more shady dealings, and we might as well give it up .


09 Jun 2017 13:24:25
We're lucky to have Macca, he and the Eds are the most reliable sources we have.

The club got this one wrong with their behaviour, not Macca!


07 Jun 2017 19:04:17
When we say the club is run by amateurs, this is what was meant. We look to be looking for an alternative to Salah which given the other options, are a step down from that sort of level. Then we end our interest in VVD confirming that we tapped him up, even the coaching staff being responsible. Two really big transfers seemingly down the drain in a matter of a day. We have to be one of the worst run 'big clubs' in Europe.

I know the window hasn't even open, but when you look at the other players we're looking at for their respective positions, it's like our standard just goes down a level. I have no problem with missing out on top targets just as long as the alternative is of the same calibre, otherwise we stay where we have been for many years now.

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07 Jun 2017 19:12:41
liverpool are one of the most useless clubs ever at making deals

it has been proven which is why their end of season results come up with 0.


07 Jun 2017 19:18:42
There are non league clubs playing on Hackney marshes that are better run than us.


07 Jun 2017 19:27:25
Frankly, there are corner drugstores that are run way better than LFC.


{Ed025's Note - trashing the club is not helping though brussels, massive overreaction on here i think and lots of you using it as a stick to beat your own club with..

07 Jun 2017 19:43:24
I usually agree with you ed25 but I think you're wrong on this one, I don't think it's a massive over reaction. If this was the 1st indiscretion perhaps you would be right, but how many times is this going to happen. It's beyond any sort of joke, everyone makes mistakes but repeatedly making the same one, which is quite frankly incredibly easy to avoid, is utterly utterly unacceptable. We're talking about multi million pound deals, and the people making them should be at the top of their game. It's gob smackingly stupid of the club for what, the 5th or 6th time?


{Ed025's Note - yes its stupid hopeful but what do you do?...stop supporting them? trash the club forever?..call for the manager to resign?...for me it would be warn them as to their future conduct, donate something to a southampton hospital or something and move on mate..

07 Jun 2017 19:04:00
VvD over-priced.

Whos going to be first to come out with that one?

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07 Jun 2017 19:15:32
I didn't get involved in any of the excitement or hyperbole because I disagreed with signing him and as the old adage goes, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

I don't care about price, just don't think he is the right player for us. Will happily be proved wrong if there is another U-turn tomorrow, but I think we genuinely dodged a bullet here.

Salah on the other hand, had more potential to be a good deal in my opinion so if we have stuffed that up I will be disappointed. I am more worried about a transfer ban though than anything else. What a joke : (.


07 Jun 2017 19:28:54
I wasn't for VVD either but if he was coming, I would support him. Now the Salah deal over a few million quid, is just stupid and disappointing. Surely, we need a total overhaul at this club cos right now, we are a right mess.


07 Jun 2017 19:02:49
Well that's very embarrassing about VVD, is it really that hard to stick to the rules? I literally don't know any other club who is as poor at transfers as us. This is exactly why no one gets excited about us signing players until they have officially signed because we always seem to mess it up somehow. A well let's hope this isn't a sign of things to come for the rest of the transfer window or we are all in for a stressful one!
Have a good night guys.

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07 Jun 2017 19:30:36
Now I understand why people say LFC is capable of grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. We are a mess up and down the club and Ed01 was right regarding Salah. He wants to improve the team but the club is letting him down, big time.


07 Jun 2017 19:00:12
Well, shoot, maccas info was wrong.

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07 Jun 2017 19:13:12
He can't predict outcomes like this, nobody can. Seems as though Saints discovered the tapping up through a leak within the club somewhere, which rightly annoyed them and effectively ended any chance of a deal. That's my understanding though I could be wrong, hopefully the eds can soon clarify.


07 Jun 2017 19:17:30
No it wasn't. Macca confirmed that we had agreed the deal with the player.

He also reiterated that we needed to agree it with Southampton though, admittedly adding he thought it would be done.

How was he supposed to know we had made an illegal approach?


07 Jun 2017 20:28:59
He said it was a done deal. If he had that much inside info then he would of realised it wasn't at advances stages. Face the truth. He got it wrong.


07 Jun 2017 18:59:43
So basically we did tap him up and to not get a ban we backed out of sale.

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07 Jun 2017 19:01:35
Shambles absolute shambles.

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07 Jun 2017 19:06:12
I told you not to try and assemble Ikea furniture alone!


07 Jun 2017 19:09:38
Cant say I use Twitter etc but I once remember some one mentioning about this graeme kelly guy and he's I. T. K so I keep an eye on him. he just posted.

Apologies everyone. He wanted to come, we'd agreed fee, someone has ****ed us with revealing texts and meetings. This will roll on. #LFC #VVD.


07 Jun 2017 19:24:37
I don't think this is the end of this saga, something tells me this will continue at some stage .


07 Jun 2017 19:00:37
Are we actually doing this sort of thing on purpose?

Can't believe someone at the club has f'ed up a transfer again by not following protocol.


Hopefully there is an £8m bargain out there, and we can get Lovren back in the fold if he is first choice come season-opener.

Absolutely amateur.

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07 Jun 2017 18:51:25
Only LFC could mess up a deal so much, absolute disgrace. Simply laughable. Our main Summer target gone, thanks lads.

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07 Jun 2017 18:55:55
An absolute joke, for once a player wanting to come and they mess it right up. Idiots.


07 Jun 2017 18:57:16
You're welcome mate.


07 Jun 2017 19:00:17
Do you read what the eds and macca actually say!
He wasn't our main summer target!
His agent approached us!


07 Jun 2017 18:59:36
Are you referring to VVD? Didn't the Eds explain that his agent approached Liverpool regarding a move? How was he the "main" target if that's the case?


07 Jun 2017 19:04:29
Lfc biggest problem for over 25yrs is not havin a ceo that knew how to run a football club. parry was a lge administrator purslow a hedge fund guy ayres was sacked by huddersfield and should never have been promoted to ceo. now we got a video game dude. get someone in who knows how to oversee a football club.


07 Jun 2017 19:08:37
My next door neighbour just approached me for a session and said her hubby gave her the nod to go ahead.

Reckon i should check or just take her word for it?


07 Jun 2017 19:11:46
Southampton were happy enough with VVD talking to everyone. He then turns around and says he only wants to join Liverpool. Suddenly the expected bidding war vanishes. Southampton. "We now angry. grrrrrrrr".

Chill out, 10s of millions on the table, high stakes poker, pick your side and back it. Don't panic, don't even have a tickle of sweat 😊.


07 Jun 2017 18:47:09
Liverpool have officially ended interest in VVD. Officially confirmed by the club.

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07 Jun 2017 18:43:34
Bbc reporting Liverpool have been considering salah, martins, keita balde and douglas costa. Who do the eds think would be the Best Buy and suit the prem best?

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{Ed001's Note - no idea.}

07 Jun 2017 19:17:48
Robertson and Gray

Cheaper.


07 Jun 2017 18:43:42
Lfc statement apology and ending interest in VVD.

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07 Jun 2017 18:51:41
Wtf. Just seen it on sly sports. What is going on. Can't believe we r fast becoming a laughing stock.


07 Jun 2017 18:53:43
Oh man. something big went down.


{Ed025's Note - liverpools credibility A1..

07 Jun 2017 19:06:34
No action to be taken against the club, so why have we apologised and ended all interest in the player.


{Ed025's Note - as a sign of goodwill i expect gerry..

07 Jun 2017 17:54:39
I'm sorry and I'm not saying it's right, but I refuse to believe we are the only team too try to gain advantage with a player outside of the appropriate time, I do however believe when we do it we seem to do it poorly looool.

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{Ed002's Note - Why try and distract - it is very embarrassing.}

07 Jun 2017 18:12:24
My main problem with the tapping up is Southampton say they have had no approach for VVD yet reports suggest that City, Chelsea and Liverpool have shown interest and Liverpool are willing to match whatever Chelsea and City offered. Hhhmmm.

It is all just to ambiguous at the moment.

Is their punishment for slander?

We await the EPL's findings.


07 Jun 2017 18:17:41
Sincerely hope it's not true. But if it is the same individuals repeating the same offences, surely it would be appropriate to boot them out the door to stop them bringing the club down any further. Regardless of whether or not any other clubs are doing it, it's not right and as Ed points out, it's very embarrassing.


07 Jun 2017 17:52:39
Think it will be intersting to have Benitez back in the EPL again, especially with one of the teams team which will be favoured for the drop.

Good luck to Rafa though.

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07 Jun 2017 18:43:41
You really think that Newcastle are favorite for the drop? See them finishing mid table personally.


07 Jun 2017 17:36:40
If Brandt is still a target then I hope we sign Brandt before others mentioned. If he does sign for the reported fee in region of 18 - 23 million then why not also bring in Douglas Costa? If available for the reported 21-22 million it would be a great deal.

In addition to this we would have three very fast and skilful wingers competing for two places. We've been crying out for width for years now and to have three high quality wingers in the squad with all the games next season makes perfect sense to me.

Given Salah would cost in region of 35-40 million and Martins could cost upto 30-35 million I see this as a no brainier if we could convince both to sign.

Brandt would be the least experienced but still a good player with tonnes pf potential. In Costa we would sign a more experienced but very fast and skilful winger and we know what Mane is capable of already.

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07 Jun 2017 17:51:55
Because we will only get Brandt if we give him guarantees on playing time and we can't exactly sign another player who plays in his position and give him those guarantees.


07 Jun 2017 17:54:52
Could always try Mane up front, imagine having his pace upfront as a striker, he's shown he can finish. Brandt and Costa on the wings. isn't it lovely to dream haha.


07 Jun 2017 18:21:29
And you have just completely MADE UP those numbers for Brandt and Costa to try and add some weight to your argument.

So you're just talkin nonsense really. "Sign both for these fees I just made up, simple as that. " dear oh dear.


07 Jun 2017 18:21:48
Red dawn Brandt will not get them assurances from the club about guaranteed playing time and rightly so. That's the issue that has to change for him to sign.

My post was meant to say that. We are being quoted 35 - 40 million for Salah and we are being quoted 35 - 40 million for Martins. If Costa is available for 21 million and Brandt is available for roughly 22 million then I would go for this two rather Salah or Martins. We have sadly lacked any width in our teams for years now.

Also I would say all three are interchangeable and any could easily play up front. We have a injury plagued striker so we would at least try one there at some point.

If we get past qualifiers in CL then we will play roughly 10-12 games by end of year, in that period we also have league cup games and so league games before end of year. That's a huge volume of games that our squad currently doesn't have the depth to withstand. Plus we will also no doubt suffer some injuries through season (bear in mind we lost Mane for the end of season which damaged us greatly in run in for top four) . If that happens s again we need strength in depth.


07 Jun 2017 18:29:30
Puzzled red you live up to your name well. They are the numbers being quoted how could I give exact figures on things that haven't happened. You know your on a banter page right? .


07 Jun 2017 17:06:13
Would anyone like to go back to a time when there was no transfer window? Or do people prefer the entertainment and suspense of it all?

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07 Jun 2017 17:17:18
I doubt there are many who can remember the days before the transfer window.
It used to run from June to March back in the day.


07 Jun 2017 17:27:23
I can, and although the TW system is exciting, I do prefer going back to buying at any time, means the excitement is spread through the season rather than concentrated.

I'm sure it was Ed001/ 002 who said the window was brought in to protect lower league clubs who, if they were doing particularly well, could end up having their team picked apart by higher teams who wanted their players.

That makes sense, and stops cup/ league runs being disrupted by players being sold.


07 Jun 2017 18:06:22
With the way football is now, the richest clubs will just throw money at their squads in March to go for trophies. This would lead to oversized squads and no youth progression.
I think they should change the transfer window to just 1 month. 1st - 30th July then January the same. This means all teams will have their squads set up before the league kicks off and if injuries happen, it will give youth a chance.


{Ed002's Note - Squads are limited in size - you cannot have oversized squads.}

07 Jun 2017 16:24:26
Hi Eds

Was looking through a few of the foreign media rumours to see if there was any update on the Salah situation and stumbled across Spanish media saying that Douglas Costa is linked to Barcelona for €25million. Now I know you guys don't like talking money, but if anywere close to that price is true, would that not make more value for money than this Portuguese kid and possibly even Salah himself. I can't say I've seen a lot of Costa as I don't watch much German football but what I have seen he looks a really good player, do you guys have any thoughts on him? Is he a different type of player to Salah and who would be your preferred choice, just in your opinion.

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - The player want and need is Julian Brandt - that is where the efforts should be expended.}

07 Jun 2017 17:01:57
Is Brandt still a possibility?


{Ed002's Note - Of course.}

07 Jun 2017 17:20:07
Never happening.


07 Jun 2017 17:38:39
Costa and Brandt would be excellent we lack width and have for years now so why not both with all the games next season. If it's true Costa is available for 21 million then both would cost in same region as either Martins or Salah.


07 Jun 2017 18:31:02
Ed2002.

With the player/ Brandt wanting reassurances over game time, is he asking for this to be written in any potential contract? Thus putting us off making a move?

Cheers.


{Ed002's Note - I have explained before.}

07 Jun 2017 18:50:00
Fair enough, I read you'd mentioned about seeking assurances over game time, but I must have missed your comments if this was to be written into any contract, hence us not making an illegal approach ( joke )


07 Jun 2017 10:45:12
Hi Eds,

Just wondering what alternatives we are lining up if the Salah and VVD deals don't happen? Also do you think that Southampton are just trying to appease their fans, because they have a history of doing this to the bigger clubs in the league.

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{Ed002's Note - Southampton are of the opinion that Liverpool has made an illegal approach for one of their players - they are certainly not in the wrong.}

07 Jun 2017 17:21:01
Why and how is this still happening? Is it stupidity, naivety, or a combinations both?


{Ed002's Note - Both Liverpool and Klopp have a history of tapping up. They need to smarten up.}

07 Jun 2017 09:25:21
ED002 if you're around, please: You have of course previously spoken of LFC's many arrogant and stupid moves in the transfer market with tapping up and similiar issues. How bad do you figure this recent shambles with Southampton is?

Thanks for the great work.

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{Ed002's Note - If Liverpool has again made an illegal approach for a player it is serious for the club.}

07 Jun 2017 16:07:04
Think it is time for the fans to stop throwing the toys and wait for transfers to be confirmed.

Just because we are linked with Gelson Martins does not mean we will sign him.

Roma need the money and negotiations will continue. The window is far from open and even further from being closed. Roma are probably waiting for other offers in order to extract a bigger fee.

Again, the window has not opened yet so just calm down people.

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07 Jun 2017 15:42:53
Who is your favourite among the linked ed001?

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{Ed001's Note - favourite in what way?}

07 Jun 2017 15:56:02
Ed001, favourite in terms of social media presence and profile.

And also who you think will most benefit the team :)


{Ed001's Note - no idea and probably Salah.}

07 Jun 2017 16:19:10
Favourite haircut?


07 Jun 2017 16:22:40
ED001, in your eyes Salah would bring more to the team than Douglas Costa?


{Ed001's Note - Costa has more potential but a worse attitude.}

07 Jun 2017 15:27:11
EDS - Is Karius still the preferred GK for next season, or does Klopp now have someone else in mind?

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{Ed001's Note - Migs is ahead of him at the moment.}

07 Jun 2017 15:38:04
Ed01 if Migs continues the way he finished last season would you be happy for us too keep him?


{Ed001's Note - yes.}

07 Jun 2017 16:25:30
Is it assumed that Migs has done enough to change Klopp's mind? I remember reading in previous posts that Karius was the preferred choice?

Klopp not looking at any other keeper?


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have looked at other goalkeepers and it remains unclear whole will stay, go on loan etc.. Manninger will need replacing.}

07 Jun 2017 14:06:01
Do you know of Martin gelson eds I've don't know anything about him saw him on fifa a couple times but is he of any quality at all? I know there's YouTube videos but I find them highly inaccurate showing only highlights would make even titus bramble seem supreme.

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{Ed001's Note - not a clue mate, not seen him play sorry.}

07 Jun 2017 17:20:35
Ha! Poor Titus Bramble. I remember late in the night after the 2005 Champsions League Win, a group of us in a bar got down to the serious business of picking the worst Premier league team of all time. We argued various positions with passion but we all agreed on one thing. Titus was our captain 😂😂😂.


07 Jun 2017 18:25:17
Derby County of 2007/ 08. They were dreadful.


07 Jun 2017 18:48:06
Any suggestions for players/ positions?


07 Jun 2017 14:25:45
With all this talk of alternative wing options do we have our first 'smokescreen' of the transfer window?!

Maybe it is all one giant smokescreen whilst we go for our main wing target which is tempting Kuyt out of retirement.

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07 Jun 2017 15:36:41
That and a cheeky bid, no doubt.


07 Jun 2017 15:54:28
The best way to satisfy the fans would be to use a smokescreen to make a cheeky bid for a marquee signing that shows a real statement of intent.


07 Jun 2017 16:06:08
I've read between the lines, Angry, and I believe you are ITK and implying that VVD and Salah are actually serving the purpose of protecting our negotiations for CR7 and Varane ;)

I won't tell anyone, I promise!


07 Jun 2017 16:20:37
And then "unveil" the new signings at a hastily arranged leaked presser 🤡.


07 Jun 2017 16:46:55
I can see it now already, Kuyts wife has accused Liverpool of tapping her husband up and not seeking permission from her.


07 Jun 2017 17:14:55
Are you sure it wasn't Dirk who has complained about his wife being tapped up?


07 Jun 2017
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, LFC

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07 Jun 2017 13:57:24
Eds, why haven't we got our preferred starting 11 signed yet?

I blame all of you and Macca!

And Ian Ayre!

And David Moores!

And Hicks and Gilette!

Waaaaaaah!

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07 Jun 2017 14:27:23
You missed out FSG and the Eds while you're at it. They're all at it.

I blame them all, It's a joke, we're a laughing stock.

I wish we were Man City I wish we were Chelsea.

When will we learn.

I bleed red mind i do, Liverpool through and through. Support the team through everything though. I'm just saying like init.

If we collected all the dummys on the floor they would be worth thousands in todays recycling market.


07 Jun 2017 14:40:41
Because the window isn't even open yet maybe?


07 Jun 2017 14:45:11
Utimately its all rick parrys fault im sure he was a man utd mole.


07 Jun 2017 14:06:14
3/ 10 for the post.
After all you didn't blame Ed002, didn't use the term "Greedy Yanks" or "Hedgefunds" and didn't spray paint any walls around Anfield.


07 Jun 2017 15:57:20
Smallsy, not sure there's such a vibrant market in used dummies?

Or else Parry and Moores would have prime jobs by now!


07 Jun 2017 17:40:18
I think you should put that all an a very long banner and fly it around anfield for the entire summer from a plane.


07 Jun 2017 17:57:29
It would have to be an extremely long banner, may take all of the half time break to get it fully read across the ground.

Food for thought :)


07 Jun 2017 12:29:11
Please, someone, anyone, confirm these rumours are not true. A proven, mature left footed winger who wants to join us is not worth £35 million, but an unproven kid who most likely is just good on fifa, playing in a far worse league, hardly set the league alight, and is being touted at £40 million, that somehow makes more sense because he has 'potential'?!

If our club are genuinly sabotaging are transfer plans in pursuit of this mythical fantasy concept known as 'potential' and 'value for money' i will be unforgivably disappointed.

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07 Jun 2017 12:33:06
By now we could have convinced Brandt to join us and for a lesser amount. We are once again messinfg up the window.


07 Jun 2017 12:47:06
Two days ago we were having a fantastic window and looking real title contenders
Now we are messing up the window and the owners and Edwards need to move on.


07 Jun 2017 12:59:48
The window hasn't even started yet, stop panicking.


07 Jun 2017 13:01:28
Transfer window isn't open yet. Klopps on holiday.
Chill out. Jesus.
The eds must suffer from the biggest headaches ever listening to you lot cry every minute.
Stop listening to paper talk and loosing your s***.


07 Jun 2017 13:05:22
Yawn.

Its pathetic. Think some of you (Harry, you are often the biggest culprit), need to take a look at how erratic and inconsistent you are, quite literally from day to day.

2 days ago we were ready to challenge the big guns and on our way to the title, now we're messing up the window and everythings going to to pot. It's like you can't wait for facts to become facts and are literally waiting to go crazy over what is total speculation.

Its embarrassing. Sort your heads out.


07 Jun 2017 13:10:34
Well if you drop down from Brandt to Adama Traore then your challenge also drops down from title to Europa league. It is not my fault the club are changing their preferences faster than Usaain Bolt.
And for all of the above, You could complete a transfer even before the window is open ( except only paper works ) .


07 Jun 2017 13:19:19
Am I missing something? Is the transfer window closed already?


07 Jun 2017 13:22:42
Where has the adama traore link come from now? Ha
You don't know who the club wants, the papers don't know who the club wants.
You can't complete a transfer until the window opens, nothing isn't 100% until it's open.

Just take a little chill pill, sit back and gather some common sense lad.


07 Jun 2017 13:24:14
Theres arguments for both but neither mane or wij were first choice.

Also yout not exactly making a leap as drastic as ronny to traore.

Brandt, salah and gelson are all good wingers.

Salag the most productivr but also the older. Got 19 and 15.

Gelson got 6 goals and 14 assists.

Brandt got 4 and 11 assists.

Brandt and gelson had good seasons playing in top 6 teams.

Salah failed in the prem before so that's a big risk. He didn't settle.

Brandt and gelson could go either way.

Id go for

Salah 35 mil
Brandt 18/ 22mil
Gelson 23/ 25 mil

If itd true were actually paying more for gelson then that's worrying but i canr see it myself. Makes no sense. Think it will be for less than salah.


07 Jun 2017 13:31:52
Harry, no one is saying you can't complete a transfer before the window begins. What we are saying is that the knee jerk reactions (something you are known for) needs to stop cos really, the window is not open yet and negotiations are being undertaken so people should stop allowing the papers to wind them up with funny stories. And no, we are not interested in Adama Traore and Brandt is no longer an option.

Everyone just calm down and let the club do it's job instead of posting a bunch of comments based on conjecture and projection. No one (not even the papers) knows what is going on per the Ed's who give us updates and I would wait for them to update us instead of just acting like our hair is on fire every time. It's becoming pathetic.


07 Jun 2017 13:41:06
Use your common sense. The chances of Liverpool being miffed at 35m for Salah, but being open to 50m for this kid, are extremely slim.


07 Jun 2017 13:43:25
Stop believing everything you read mate, don't you ever learn!


07 Jun 2017 13:53:56
I've heard it all now.

Give it a rest mate, you're embarrassing yourself. If you had half a brain you'd be dangerous.


07 Jun 2017 14:07:56
Comes from the same people that got surprised by Salah ( never ever mentioned before ) and VVD ( Liverpool couldn't afford him anyways )
Transfer could happen just like that and interest could swift in seconds. I am not going to loose my sleep over this link. But I don't want this to turn into a reality.
I thought the club's plan B was Braga Silva!


07 Jun 2017 14:56:46
All fun and games ay.


07 Jun 2017 16:35:49
It may seem an overeaction and maybe that's what it is, but after 6 years of the people who run our club making nonsensical decisions regarding transfers, it feels like we are finally getting it right, i don't want us to repeat our mistakes.


07 Jun 2017 15:51:50
Questions for the eds I have read a few times recently that Mane wasnt our first choice. Who was our first choice ahead of Mane? I can't remember who we were linked with in his position last summer.


{Ed002's Note - Georges-Kevin N'Koudou, Dennis Praet, Ousmane Dembele and Lucas Vazquez were of interest but I would not say any were "first choice".}

07 Jun 2017 17:22:13
And mane is betywr than every single one.


07 Jun 2017 17:46:05
Er ousmane dembele is pretty special mate, he could genuinely become world class.


07 Jun 2017 12:21:26
Latest reports suggesting Saints now want £75m for VVD which LFC refuse to meet. They're hoping to trigger a bidding war, knowing that Citeh could quite easily afford that without making the slightest dent in their transfer fund. We could probably get Aubemeyang for that money with a bit of convincing from Klopp.

Do we think the VVD deal will fall through? I have nasty feeling we're going to be priced out of both Salah and Van Dyjk deals? Which given the press coverage of this would make us a laughing stock!

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07 Jun 2017 12:33:40
He rejected City and I don't know why would City come back to him again?


07 Jun 2017 13:17:55
This rumoured price originates with Th Mirror.

I'm saying nothing more.


07 Jun 2017 13:21:03
Heavy metal, so you are more concerned about other fans thinking we are a laughing stock, than getting the right players for the right price. Just let the club do their business before panic sets in.


07 Jun 2017 13:39:38
Heavy, I propose you stop caring about what other fans think or what other clubs are doing in the TW cos news flash: they don't care about what we are doing. Remember also that, VVD came to us via his agent. We did not go to him initially so the ball is in our court if this rumour is true which I doubt judging by its source. Just let the club do it's work. We will be fine.


07 Jun 2017 15:49:19
Great stuff! And I've never really worried about what other fans think, it was more a point I was makig which is mainly around our fans giving it the big'un on Twitter that we have our man over Citeh! But we could potentially lose out on two of Klopp's main targets! I have absolute faith that both Klopp and FSG will get the right players in for our wonderful club come close of transfer window! :) cheers guys!


07 Jun 2017 16:48:50
I remember Southampton putting silly transfer fees on all our previous signings from them, £40mil for Lovren, £35mil Lallana, £25mil Clyne. It's just what they do like they have a moan to the premier league, it's just to appease fans and try and get a few more quid in negotiations. We will likely end up getting VVD for between £45-55mil possibly £40mil ish with add ons up to £50mil odd. Transfers are complex, and clubs use every bargaining tool they can to get best deal for there club and appease fans. Suarez to Barcelona now was it £75 mil or £63 mil. sound familiar?


{Ed002's Note - You are an embarrassing idiot. If Liverpool has yet again broken the rules about tapping a player up it is LIVERPOOL AT FAULT AND LIVERPOOL THAT DESERVE TO BE PUNISHED. All of this trying to blame someone else is cretinous. The club has to change and start to behave responsibly.}

07 Jun 2017 18:36:03
Bit harsh Ed,

I wasn't saying Southampton are to blame, but also I'm not saying Liverpool are guilty or innocent either, we're yet to know what's gone on and when the news broke one of the Eds said there was no reason to believe anything has been done by us, if that's changed then I'm not defending us as we've been guilty in the of not conducting ourselves well in the past, hence the Fulham situation and the issues with the youth ban. I'd just hope that the club wouldn't be so stupid as to put themselves in that situation again.
My point I was trying to get across, and maybe poorly, was that selling teams often try to appease fans by upping the transfer price to when there in a difficult position to keep the player, as we did with Suarez. It was meant more of a go at all the doom and gloomers jumping on the "we've lost out again" bandwagon.


{Ed002's Note - The club and the manager both have a history of tapping up players.}

07 Jun 2017 18:52:37
I knew we'd had our problems in the past but admittedly I didn't know Klopp has. It just seems so ridiculous that a club our size is still tapping up players after it being publicly known in the past. Wouldn't someone who's been involved in it in the past be sacked and replaced? Sorry if that seems a silly question Ed but in a multi million pound business surely heads must roll if somebody within is causing damage to a business reputation.


{Ed025's Note - its a poor show john..

07 Jun 2017 19:05:29
"Liverpool Football Club would like to put on record our regret over recent media speculation regarding Southampton Football Club and player transfers between the two clubs. We apologise to the owner, board of directors and fans of Southampton for any misunderstanding regarding Virgil van Dijk. We respect Southampton’s position and can confirm we have ended any interest in the player. "

Oh well! Looks like we have lost out on VVD! Marvellous!


07 Jun 2017 19:14:08
So it seems Ed sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought it was generally just a ploy to appease fans as many teams have in the past. I've got to say now it's just broke that all interest in VVD has ended that's it's very disappointing that because past mistakes have not been learnt we've now had to pull out of a top target and a top player in my opinion by all accounts who wanted to play for us. I just hope this doesn't have a knock on effect on our plans this summer with other clubs.
Just a final question Ed as I know your going to get hammered not that news has broke, what would tapping up be classed as?, I know a secret meeting with player and agent would be, but say a chance meeting at a football event an the manager saying I'd love you in our team or for example an international team mate saying our Sanger rates you, come sign for us, would such comments like that class as tapping up? Sorry for the ignorance I just don't understand the ins and outs.


{Ed002's Note - Agents can and do talk to clubs all of the time about the players they represent and that is fine. A representative of a club making any approach to a player (either though an agent or not) is tapping up.}

07 Jun 2017 11:55:52
75 million for VVD? He may be a world class defender, but no way near that. I thought 60 was too much for him. Saints some real tits for trying to keep face with their fans rather than accept a huge bid for their top player imo.

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07 Jun 2017 12:18:13
The club will act sensibly and wouldn't pay a penny above what they think he is worth. Saints could do what they want now that te player has rejected both City and Chelsea!


07 Jun 2017 12:21:21
if that's really what they're asking for - ever thought that's just their way of saying "f' off, he's not for sale"?

it doesn't have to be a saving face exercise, more one of, we're not interested in selling him unless someone is ridiculous enough to pay 75mil.


07 Jun 2017 12:43:41
But then just say not for sale. If you quote a price then you can't argue and get precious when people want to sign the player. Clubs will be after him anyway but not for sale is a lot clearer than a price.


07 Jun 2017 12:58:43
But near on everyone has a price.

They don't want to lose him so quote a price that you wouldn't turn down. It's then the buying clubs prerogative to pay up or move on.

With the tv money involved, clubs no longer need to sell.


07 Jun 2017 13:43:44
Bottom line is that VVD's agent came to us and dangled his client in front of us cos his client wants to come to LFC initially. We did not go looking for him so if they want 75m, it is not our problem and the ball is now in VVD's court to make the deal happen as every man and his dog knows we nor City who VVD himself rejected, will pay that money. We are in a good position based on this info so people should just just sit back and watch what happens. Besides, we have other areas like both FB positions and wide forward positions to address.


07 Jun 2017 16:37:58
Fact is that the players have the control, as we saw with Saurez and Sterling, so the minute we make an offer and he then asks to leave ot will happen, just a matter of when rather than if.


07 Jun 2017 11:54:21
Surely there's nothing in these Martins rumours, a right-footed right winger who will be more expensive than Salah and has a considerably worse goal return in a weaker league. I think the story originates from Sky so maybe they want some bets coming in!

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07 Jun 2017 11:33:29
Silly season is really upon us and SSN as usual doing their level best to throw out crap to those that are gullible enough to swallow it, imo until I see whatever player in a liverpool jersey with a scarf over his head at anfield with Klopp by his side will I actually believe that player is ours anything else is pure speculation.

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07 Jun 2017 11:23:27
Big mac

Gelson martins. Anything for us bub?

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07 Jun 2017 10:51:37
Eds

Gelson Martin's. What do you think. Any good.

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{Ed001's Note - never seen him play.}

07 Jun 2017 11:07:18
Lightening quick, 1 decent season with Sporting Lisbon. can't really see why he's worth the quoted 50 million lol.


07 Jun 2017 11:19:31
Vvd had one and half decent seasons with southampton and its being quoted at 6omil but thays todays 30 mil isn't it. Lmao.

Before you use celtic as an example of more experience, ed07 will confirm what you have all said about that league. Due to brendans crappy 0 loses in a season.


07 Jun 2017 11:35:23
Seems to play on the right, Which is going to be crowded if we get salah. He has potential though, raw pace. Love it.


07 Jun 2017 11:36:38
Having a one and a half decent season/ seasons in the Premier league is always going to raise the price mate. not too sure on the Portuguese league.


07 Jun 2017 11:45:10
@supermane
You are completely against the signing of VVD, ain't you? 😄.


07 Jun 2017 12:03:24
Marine is ridiculously average and will bring back the golden memories of Markovic ( sever pace and no end product ) he has no vision to pick those decisive pass ahead and someone need to tell the lad you can't dribble past all 11 players.
If you obsessed with Pace then sign Adama Traore. He is faster than light!
We should go back to Julian Brandt ( Plan A ) and not Plan C or D.


07 Jun 2017 12:03:35
Against the crappy reasoning yes.

And for a quoted fee of 60mil yes.

And the fact we still have to teach him to defend yes.


07 Jun 2017 12:20:49
@supermane
The second one makes sense as it's a fact. The first is out of my head and the third one is a massive LOL. You don't need to teach him anything and mind you half of our players need teaching. We have been teaching Henderson from past 5 good years!


07 Jun 2017 12:23:15
Supermane I agree with your point about the over inflated fee for vvd but unfortunately in this day and age like everything else. you have to pay it if you want the player.

But in regards to teaching him how to defend. he didn't do a bad job defending when we played them at Southampton last season.

Personally I'd be happy with vvd, a left back, winger and forward. I haven't posted for donkeys but hey being unemployed over here in Canada means I've got to bit more time on my hands.

Eds as always thanks for the hard and superb work you fellas do!


07 Jun 2017 13:08:29
Gelson hasn't exactly set the world alight in a very weak league. He is no better than Nani.


07 Jun 2017 10:30:58
So the transfer window opens on July 1st.

I think the next step for the FA is to bring in a "tapping up window". Starting on June 1st for 2 weeks clubs are free to tap up players without recrimination.

It would make things a lot more open and honest and would make Klopp's life a lot easier. Let's start a petition 😎.

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07 Jun 2017 10:56:14
It's quite stupid that you cannot talk to the player directly but to his agent. What's the ducking difference. The players are represented by the agents anyways. Someone with brains should put this into prespetive. Either don't approach any parties other than clubs or let the players have a free role where they want to play.

What if Wijnaldum talked to VVD when they were having a drink together. Lol you cannot microscope all the things. Could you?

Remember how the entire Barcelona players persuaded Fabregas to Barcelona without even having a sweat!

There could be plenty of occasions when players come together and have a talk about these things. It's completely a dumb rule.


07 Jun 2017 11:31:26
Second that's all good now.

Just flip the coin a sec.

Breakinh news coutinho in spain meeting with barcelona manager and ceo, because he's decided he wants to play there.


07 Jun 2017 11:47:07
Or how about

Coutinho's agent meet behind the scenes with the sporting director of Barcelona. Any difference?
The only way you stop the player is the player himself commiting to the club!


07 Jun 2017 12:04:48
Oh there's a huge difference.

Do you not think coutinhos agent has spoken to every single team around the world since he's been with us.

Its a whole different kettle of fish if coutinho does it.


07 Jun 2017 12:10:47
How is that different to Neymar for example constantly saying in the media that Coutinho should join Barca? This is what makes the whole thing so ludicrous, everyone has heard the stories of national team meets turning into come and join us sessions. We all see the comments in interviews about this player or that player. The fact the CEO or manager isn't the one talking directly to them shouldn't excuse it but it does. At some point they really need to say that everyone keeps their mouth shut about players at other clubs.

In terms of VVD situ maybe I've missed something but all the talking I've seen has been from the player and his agent. Is there any evidence Klopp has spoken to the guy? The fact VVD says he likes Klopp's passion doesn't mean they've ever spoken a word to each other in their lives. Have I missed something or is it likely to be as someone else suggested, they want to sell to City for the higher amount so they're trying to kill off the chance of him moving elsewhere?


07 Jun 2017 12:22:22
Bull! That's coz Phil wants to go to only one club! Hazard was all over the Internet before he moved to Chelsea as well Grizemann and now Auba!


07 Jun 2017 13:24:23
The rules are what they are, LFC know them, they have been warned many times and need to clean up their behavior if this is anything more than Soton trying to save face.


07 Jun 2017 17:51:09
Or simply ask the players club permission to talk, just a thought!


07 Jun 2017 06:15:55
Real Madrid slapping a 78m Pounds on Morata is just absolutely baffling. Its like I suddenly woke up in 2062. Goodness!

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{Ed001's Note - I doubt Morata will be worth anything like that amount by 2062. I know modern sports science is extending some careers, but that would be ridiculous.}

07 Jun 2017 06:34:22
Ed001 Nice one, but you know what I mean :)


{Ed001's Note - just checking....}

07 Jun 2017 06:57:17
On the same issue Ed001,
Do you think the laws of demand and supply are affecting prices? Clubs realized that their is a real shortage of quality players in the market therefore take advantage and inflate prices of their own players with a bit of quality?


{Ed001's Note - inflation, lack of top quality players and increased money in the game are all increasing prices. For me the main problem is the lack of quality coming through, as there is very little compared to when I was a kid. Clubs simply seem unable to produce anything other than robots through the academy system.}

07 Jun 2017 07:16:48
Do you think this is down to coaching? Can't remember what coach it was but remember reading something recently about one assistant coach being a genius for basically making players solve problems on their own or setting up training sessions under different circumstances (e. g. 10 against 11 but with the 11 being two goals behind) . Surely coaching isn't that bad!?


{Ed001's Note - coaching is robotic these days, everyone has to have the same coaching badges and so are taught exactly the same things. No one is remembering that we are all individuals and that every player needs individual treatment to bring out the best in them. Also that coaches need the same. They need to learn how to develop their skills in a way that brings out their strengths and allows them to coach rather than indoctrinate. That is why so many former footballers are now refusing to allow their kids to become part of the academy projects in England. It quashes individuality.

Don't get me wrong, there are exceptions, not every club and not every coach is at fault, but the exceptions are swimming against the tide right now. Many academies refuse to employ coaches without an A license, even if the coach has extensive experience as well as a relevant coaching badge. The coaching qualifications are no indicator of a coach's ability to coach, just of their ability to follow the instructions of the courses and pass them. They are also expensive and out of reach of the vast majority of us. They are creating an elite which doesn't have elite abilities. It is moving away from being a meritocracy and into a system based on how much money you have (or how much debt you are willing to get into) in order to gain badges that are little real use.}

07 Jun 2017 07:21:48
I also think their's an issue with the quality of scouting especially in England. Most scouts I think are taking their clubs for a ride. They are not willing to get down and dirty to the grassroots. I think English clubs should demand more from their scouts. Some of them I think are just practising what I would call "Lazy Scouting" same to "Lazy Journalism" in the media world.


07 Jun 2017 08:19:27
In effect football is turning into tennis. It's not a secret that there's a dearth of promising British tennis players because the working class have been priced out of it. It's an exclusive set for the very few. Who despite having the money, don't necessarily have the talent or motivation to reach the top.


07 Jun 2017 08:20:05
Also a lot of these players never get a game.

Look what happens when you jist play them (tottenham) you either get a good sale, mason, bentaleb or you have academy players in ypur team kane, dier, ali, walker, rose. granted some wbere bought but not to different to gomez for us, but allgiven chances at a young age.

Eds 100% rigjg about coaching. But it doesn't make one different how good they get coached if they can't get a freaking game.

If we had our full strengh team how mich damage could gomez do next to matip. Like how bad would it be. I just don't understand the excuse for not playing him. Taa aswel.

Some our obviouslt verh young and that's understandable.


07 Jun 2017 08:41:46
Does gomez being injurd have anything to do with it supermane?


07 Jun 2017 08:57:07
Considering that people my age are now starting to get decent level jobs in coaching, and our entire education was based on the 'past the test' style of learning, it's not surprising that adult qualifications are following the same pattern.


07 Jun 2017 10:19:09
spot on ed001. being involved in the game myself i see your point. academy kids are like machines, good pace and stamina, gym, strong bodies but lack imagination and hart, lack that desire and fun in game. and demands a pshysical ascpects of the game are growing.


{Ed001's Note - they forget that it is a game. Sadly.}

07 Jun 2017 11:22:40
Well considering he was fit from january and playing with the u23s from feb. Again id ask how bad could he of been partnering matip.


07 Jun 2017 12:23:15
Can't find it now but there was an article that showed that part of the problem was size as well. As in academies are looking for bigger stronger kids and not taking a balancing view of skills. It had a piece showing the earlier you're picked up at an academy the less likely you are to make the grade as an adult and the more likely you are to not even be a pro by the end of teens. I think it also brought up the age bracket and showed that being born pre 31/ 12 made you more likely to progress into those set ups because you could be 6 months older (or more) than rivals.

The more concerning thing I've heard is that kids are being binned from academies as not being good enough but when the question was asked about who is coaching them, at age group, the coaches are early 20s, minimum qualifications and paid peanuts, yet the kids apparently are the problem. Also heard similar stories to others here about scouting being lazy and a joke.

All in all I can fully understand why you'd actually want to keep your kid away from big club academies, not least because how many players ever come through from them? It would seem you're better off aiming at the semi pro and lower league clubs and developing by playing.


07 Jun 2017 12:28:08
Fit doesn't mean match fit for EPL matches though, he may have been fit to train and start playing again but that isn't always the same thing. Especially as he has been out for most of the past 2 seasons. Would also wonder, considering eds have suggested Klopp rates him, that maybe they're thinking long term rather than rushing him back in.


07 Jun 2017 13:26:41
One country, and I think it was Germany, breaks down their young players into bigger age ranges but also separates them into weight classes to give more space for smaller and lighter players who might be quicker or more skillful to develop without just being clobbered every session.


07 Jun 2017 15:43:10
Sounds silly but I think in this day and age of computer gaming there is less kids out playing ball to begin with.

Think back to when you were a kid (some will have to think further back than others! ) . Every bloke my age spent the entire day, every single day playing football. It's all we ever did. You'd play heads and volleys, have matches, various other things. We didn't realise it but we were drilling the fundamentals of the game into us on a daily basis so much so that when you actually joined a team you already had the skills and technique, you thought yourself how to do these things you didn't need a coach for it. I remember channel 4 years and years ago had a show on a Sunday that was on just after football italia with Ryan Giggs teaching you little tricks and stuff. W'ed Watch it and spend the whole day then repeating it. You'd pick up things from match of the day and repeat it.

The point of all this is, I look at my road these days and I rarely see any kids playing football. We lived and breathe it, kids these days have a lot more to occupy themselves with. I genuinely believe that's the basis for the lack of quality these days.


07 Jun 2017 21:48:27
There is also as someone suggested above a problem in the quality of scouting. Based on what I've seen/ heard over past few seasons it seems to be lazy to say the least. I've heard a coach from a championship club's academy say they've had kids sent through cos a scout saw them do one good thing in one game where that was the only time they watched them. Equally there is an element of who you know, I've seen kids who are nothing special who I've been told are on a trial with a big club and kids with more talent who aren't anywhere on the radar for the same clubs. The problem is scouts only look at the top leagues at age level, they don't watch the dross leagues to see the kids who don't have contacts and don't have connections to the better clubs. So those kids don't get picked up. Also if you look at how pro clubs in the lower leagues deal with unsolicited trial requests, basically you have to have evidence of being involved at a similar level, stating that as being pro club academy. So if you know someone, get put forward to an academy you can then trade on that for chances elsewhere. Again the kids without contacts are being missed. I appreciate the volumes of approaches are an issue but when you're just recycling the same kids who've been released by other club's youth set up you're hardly scratching the surface.


07 Jun 2017 21:48:27
There is also as someone suggested above a problem in the quality of scouting. Based on what I've seen/ heard over past few seasons it seems to be lazy to say the least. I've heard a coach from a championship club's academy say they've had kids sent through cos a scout saw them do one good thing in one game where that was the only time they watched them. Equally there is an element of who you know, I've seen kids who are nothing special who I've been told are on a trial with a big club and kids with more talent who aren't anywhere on the radar for the same clubs. The problem is scouts only look at the top leagues at age level, they don't watch the dross leagues to see the kids who don't have contacts and don't have connections to the better clubs. So those kids don't get picked up. Also if you look at how pro clubs in the lower leagues deal with unsolicited trial requests, basically you have to have evidence of being involved at a similar level, stating that as being pro club academy. So if you know someone, get put forward to an academy you can then trade on that for chances elsewhere. Again the kids without contacts are being missed. I appreciate the volumes of approaches are an issue but when you're just recycling the same kids who've been released by other club's youth set up you're hardly scratching the surface.


07 Jun 2017 02:55:38
Ed001 your opinion on Robertson? thank you.

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{Ed001's Note - I will do a player profile on him or something, only I can't be doing with answering this same question 3 times a day every day....}

07 Jun 2017 09:02:48
Never really seen Robertson play but the romantic in me says it would be good to have a Jock in the side again.


07 Jun 2017 03:04:00
Hi EDs, thanks for keeping us updated and providing your insights on the transfer rumours.

I noticed that Klopp has not signed any players from Dortmund although we got plenty of rumours about Reus, Aubameyang, Pulisic etc. Do you think he is against raiding his old club out of respect? Or maybe he likes the idea of working with players that he has never worked with before?

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - he said when he left he would not be looking to steal all their best players out of respect.}

07 Jun 2017 04:45:04
Thanks for the reply Ed001, so in that case we can bury all the Pulisic and Aubameyang rumours. Not like we were going to sign him anyway :)


{Ed001's Note - he wouldn't sign Aubameyang anyway, he is a problem to deal with that Klopp simply would not want. You know he missed a Champions League game this season because he was out on the lash in Milan instead don't you?}

07 Jun 2017 05:36:46
He was with me at the time be to fair he stuck to tonic.


07 Jun 2017 08:50:14
With his gin?


07 Jun 2017 09:40:39
Klopp also said in an interview that he had no interest in buying players he has worked with previously.


07 Jun 2017 00:14:38
Hi eds.

I have just been seeing that we are looking at Douglas Costa as an alternative to salah. In my opinion I hope we get Costa instead. Same price for both of them.

Who's better in your opinion Eds?

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{Ed002's Note - They are very different players so comparing them is not easy - and I am not aware of Liverpool showing any interest in Douglas Costa.}

06 Jun 2017 22:13:08
Ed002,
Are LFC that bad at transfers? Would you have an idea to the root cause?
Matt in FL.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool know what the rules are and they need to abide by them or take the consequences.}

06 Jun 2017 21:02:41
I know its media and they write anything buy their reporting that apparently jurgen met van dyke in Blackpool a few months back and apparently has been texting ever since I hope it's not true they also say he spoke to other clubs too and that arsenal and Liverpool offered the best packages if any of this is true I hope everyone gets in trouble not just us I mean this must happen all the time but obviously rules are rules.

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07 Jun 2017 09:23:39
Would love to know what they are texting about. Wonder if VVD played hard to get.


07 Jun 2017 10:27:28
Surely though he's allowed to txt someone, just not about playing for Liverpool? Don't get me wrong, I know it gets hard to believe, but the fa can't stop you making a friend 😂.


07 Jun 2017 11:03:27
Klopp tapped him up on The Big One 😉.


08 Jun 2017 17:09:52
Either 1) it doesn't happen all the time or 2) it does happen but every other team is so much better than us cause this is the third time this year we've been caught out. Either way, sort it the **** out.


 
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