Liverpool Banter Archive June 07 2013

07 Jun 2013 22:44:40
Eds, every time seemingly I see a Liverpool rumour about a player we are after there always seems additional interest from Tottenham. For instance Aspas spurs apparently made a last minute bid and last year we had Dempsey and sigersson. What is going on? I hear that Chadli and Ince who Liverpool are after are also courted by spurs. {Ed002's Note - There is nothing going on.}

It's called competition if you don't like it then go shopping in the same market as Norwich.

Theres more than that (well if you account for people we are linked with rather than solid facts) like we were linked with VDV and Parker before they signed and apparently they tried to sign Suarez, Huntelaar when we were linked with him and even Charlie Adam. In conclusion Spurs go for any player Liverpool are linked with on a rumour site.

Daniel Levy is one of them a secret stalker of LFC transfer moves, he lives on the ahadow of every web page, beware!

08 Jun 2013 08:50:13
i think we have dropped to their level a bit in the last few years although they have a better first 11 maybe. the size of our club brings the ability to attract players even without europe even enough and for now at least we r operating with the same money to spend on players as spurs, so it will be inevitable that we will be linked to a lot of the same players. that's how I see the spurs the situation as I was thinking the same as you last couple of years. Tommy Irish Red

Its the papers having a laugh with you lot, and it always works, its called irony. most of Liverpools buys over the last few years have been atrocious, so when Liverpool are interested in a player its the touch of death and other teams run the other way, btw, spurs have not done to badly NOT buying lfc targets. lol

07 Jun 2013 22:44:02
I think Aspas is very different to Saurez. Same build but to me he reminds me of more like a Bellamy. Can play across the front line, hounds defenders and has a little nasty streak in him. Not a prolific scorer but no slouch either. Has great movement and gets assists. Haven't seen too much of him but that's my opinion from the 2 games I've seen. What do you guys think?

I agree he's a lot like bellamy too. If he turns out as good later in his career he be a great one. For me bellamy last time round was better than first time round. if asaps can be similar we got a good'un

08 Jun 2013 10:06:49
Borini was compared to fowler. movement. tricky runs. blah blah blah.
lets see what he brings this year to Liverpool.

If fans believe he should played as the main striker. then pls. its not going to happen. sturridge or suarez will play there.

08 Jun 2013 11:24:23
He will take downings place! Suarez will probably not play anything again for Liverpool sadly!
Your judgement of Borini is sadly as clueless and bogus as 99% of your posts Harry!
Get it through your thick skull! Borini was injured all season and playing with a broken leg for 2 months! No one can criticize him at all! I for one have big faith he will be a very good player for us!

Malak

07 Jun 2013 22:18:04
Are the rumour's true about Pablo Chirivella ed's? what have you heard about him? {Ed002's Note - As far as I know another child.}

07 Jun 2013 21:30:19
Any 'fan' with issues regarding the new kit should take a long, hard good luck at themselves.

I mean, a petition?

Come on!

What a shower of wooly-back plebs some of us are.

If you don't like it - then don't buy it.

It's not hard, is it?

My inkling is that the fans with issues are the fans who wear the kit on a non-match day like big tarts.

Adults with football tops is a big no-no, birds on the other hand, should wear it all the time, especially. no, I won't go there.

I suggest you save yourself a few-bob and wear your Ben Sherman or Slazenger instead. ;-)

P. s Don't give me the tradition tripe etc as the club have had some f*****g terrible shirts out over the years.

At least it isn't pink.

DaveyBootle

Brilliant post!

Paul R

Agreed- a petition is pathetic if it's true.

Jason

Agreed it's not that bad to start getting a petition going. Plenty of other things wrong with the world, Liverpools away shirt next season is low on the give a s*** list.

MIKEY

Agreed its stupid just dnt buy it

Totally agree. Great if it is a cracker, no skin off my nose if it isnt. Liverbird Crest is all I need. Not a fan of the away or third but does it really matter?

Andy K

At least it's not ecru

I think the away kit looks like 'fire in the belly'.

Some of these 'soft' supporters need to (using warriors slogan) rise up and support the club!

K79

Birds? is the new kit from the 1970's

I love the new away kit. What is everybody's problem with it?

A petition?. by the time it gets signed, submitted and ignored we will have moved onto a new strip anyway.

Whilst I don't particularly like it myself, I, like everyone else, has the option of - buying it or not buying it! personally I'm more concerned and interested in which players will actually be wearing it come match day on the pitch!

Davey strikes again. Quality lad.

Alfie

07 Jun 2013 20:51:01
Edds is that right we may be interested in Paulinio from corinthians. kls {Ed002's Note - Twitter is this?}

Ed002 I think it may be a stupid article that was in the fail this morning suggesting possible ins and outs of the outs mentioned were carrol downing saurez spearing the ins were gameiro paulinho ince and aspas that's the only site iv seen paulinho mentioned as a possible transfer I actually feel stupid I read it from the newsnow site
giblet

07 Jun 2013 20:48:01
Really concerned about the talk of Rafa coming back for Lucas. Is there any truth in this? All Liverpool fans who know their football know how brilliant he is, future captain IMO.

I don't know mate I understand he's a great player, and think he will come back with a bang and show everyone how good he is!. having said all this, if we got a good price, i'm talking 17m, it'd be hard to turn down would it not? still. I doubt we'd get an offer that high, I personally hope he stays!

Can't imagine he would leave even if rafa did come in for him.

MIKEY

07 Jun 2013 20:21:39
hi. ! what's is your opinion about Tiago Ilori, look like we are getting him, he is too young and unexperience, don't you think its too risky?
thanks

07 Jun 2013 20:59:54
If he comes, he will be 4th choice after Toure, Agger, Kelly and a great prospect for the future! Maybe even 5th choice if we sign Zambrano or Botia! He is fast as lightning and will head the ball all day!

Malak

Personally i'd rather keep Coates and move him up the ranks a little

Don, " fast as lightening and will head the ball all day " was the quote from Malak. That is why we will target Ilori and ship Coates out.
Marco

07 Jun 2013 22:33:11
Personally I think Coates is as slow as a turtle, just like shelvy!

Malak

I don't think we're after Zambrano. Botia may be a 3rd choice after papa and Alderweiled
El capitano

07 Jun 2013 20:02:44
Ed is the transfer market open?
Thanks
Jlk

07 Jun 2013 20:11:05
Nope opens 1st July

Unless you're Barca or man city

07 Jun 2013 19:42:01
Hi Ed,

Hope all is well. I was just wondering what the situation is with clubs currently signing players from abroad? I thought the international transfer window didn't open until 1st July but lots of clubs seem to be agreeing fees for players, I guess they can agree a fee but its not official until July? I don't seem to remember this happening in previous years?
Thanks {Ed002's Note - It has always happened but the registration cannot be transferred.}

07 Jun 2013 19:24:09
To anyone writing off aspas and calling him poor mans suarez bare in mind ssuarez is a world class player and some times a 20m player can be worth 2m in a system that dosen't suit them and a 5m look a 20m player in the right system let me explain myself. Aspas is well suited to the system he has good technique, speed, dribbling, passing, finishing and movement all attributes needed for our system as well as versatility, he would look good in our system, but let's take someone like gomez a 15-30m player, but in our system lacks the attributes needed to succeed so would not be so brilliant, it seems crazy but for our system aspas is better than gomez.

How do you think players like mkhitaryan became the players they are were they always world class? No a club like shakhter or dortmund with lewandowski or subotic took a chance with them and made them they are today and eventually they and the club are good enough to compete and most of the players show more loyalty than 30m players because that club gave them a chance to shine.

Please give Brendan a chance, who new hyppia before he signed and few knew alonso. I'm not going to lie, I like everyone else would want 30m players like douglas costa but let's face it we won't get them so let's allow brendan to create these players before their value rockets, aspas is highly rated spurs and benfica were after him. We already get players with higher value than dortmund and people are still complaining.

So give the players a chance we won't always get 25m players.

Lil Red

A good point well made. I for one agree with you but the beauty of the game and this forum is the different responses and opinions. Prepare yourself :-)

The fifa brigade write off any player that's not highly rated and make no allowances for a players progression; which can be massive if they land with the right club. (see Coutinho and Sturridge for recent examples)
As you so rightly point out.

07 Jun 2013 22:00:01
Kidmillions if you give examples of sturridge and coutinho, then it should be the same for Allen, assaidi, borini etc as massive flops!

Once apon a time Liverpool fc were the most feared team in the world and there players had loyalty to the club and the pride of putting on the red shirt. nowa days the red shirt and the badge doesn't mean a thing anymore. all there intrested in is the money. we don't need top quality players who cost 30, 40, 50 million we need players that want to play for Liverpool fc and fight for the crest they were on the shirt. we need a manager that will guide us to the right path. we need players that will fight for the manager. we need fans to get behind them no matter what. IN BRENDAN I TRULY TRUST. {its all a dance}

Unsigned poster: It's just your opinion that the players are a flop.
It's my opinion that even if they don't reach the heights of Coutinho and Sturridge it's grossly unfair and may I say uneducated; as has been proven time and again with players arriving at new clubs and not being an instant hit but gradually growing into their new team and proving their worth in the long term, to label them flops.

Kid millions allen and borini fall into the category of not being players who can take us to the top and as they were brendans first signings for a fair amount of cash I think that in my opinion it made his idea of a good player flawed as if you have a chance to make your very first signings for lfc I for one would not have signed them and your comment about needing time to settle is reasonable but if you gave me as much time on the pitch as they have had I would do some thing right. its all about opinions which thankfully we all have and as long as we do not let our opinions effect our support that's great

07 Jun 2013 18:38:41
Whats peoples thoughts on Dzeko? I would take him all day long, with a few regular games under his belt he'd be banging them in. He's rotting away at City! Would he be affordable?
My fingers are crossed for Ericsson but feel were going to lose out on a class act!

07 Jun 2013 18:30:46
Ed out of the following who do you think have a chance of being Liverpool players next season:
Alonso, Mingolet, Benteke, Begovic, Eriksen, Papdopolous.
Which striker do you think is most likely other than Aspas aswell? Cheers Ed
RedRob {Ed002's Note - RTFP}

07 Jun 2013 18:14:28
Whats this Ian Arye crap i'm hearing of champions league 3 years from now. that's just excuses, we should aim for it this or next season, while our players at our best.

Aim low and over achieving is better than aiming high and failing.

He didn't say we aren't aiming for it now, he only said that they expect it in 3 years time at the latest. Of course they are aiming for it now.

Nevada

All he said was that it may take "one, two or three years". Which it may. All he was doing was attempting to set some expectations for some impatient fans. I believe that goal will be a Champions League spot none the less. Realistically we have some rebuilding to go, thus so many potential ins and outs i. e. further transition, whether we like it or not, this is what is happening. I have been following Liverpool since the early 80s and have seen the good and the bad. I want to be challenging for titles, not just ECL qualification however have learned to temper my expectations based on how things have been run over the last two decades. My love for the club will not faulter nor my hopes but why would I set myself up for dissappointment by being unrealistic?

Andy K

07 Jun 2013 18:09:20
Hi just on the subject of Suarez he will be a Liverpool player next season no club as come in for him with a offer or approach yes clubs would love to sign him but no offers or approaches have been met. The club have done a great job on saying he's not for sale and that he has a contract with the club the only way things would change would be 1. He hands in a transfer request. 2. A club offers silly money ie. 50 million plus. I can honestly say that luis will play for us next season
LFC5times {Ed002's Note - The transfer window has not even opened.}

Lol +1 ed002

07 Jun 2013 17:53:44
With all the stories of clubs interested in a move for Shelvey, I curious of LFC are really trying to sell him or if it is just a season long loan that they're looking for? I can help but think selling such a young player with so much talent makes any sense. Sounds like no one learned any lessons from Ince, though maybe it's just new people making old mistakes? Info and opinions about Shelvey welcome.

RedYank {Ed002's Note - They would look to sell.}

07 Jun 2013 20:46:20
Thomas Ince was part of the Charlie Adam deal!
Or was sold to them for peanuts as a sweetener for the deal!

I fail to see why people can't understand that Shelvy is as slow as a turtle! No pace or acceleration, got a bad attitude on him, has no dribbling skills at all if he is supposed to be an attacking midfielder in our system!
If he is to be a holding midfielder he lacks the workrate and disiplin for a role like that, and the games I have been to anfield where he has played he looked completely clueless, no positional sense jogging around like a headless chicken!
I am not surprised at all the club is looking to sell him, because even if he is loaned out he won't be able to replace any of the other midfielders when he comes back! Henderson, Allen, Gerrard, Coutinho, Adorjan, Teixeira, Lucas, Coady, Baio are imo better or have the potential to be better as AMs or as DMs whatever Shelvy decides to be!

07 Jun 2013 17:12:01
See Di Santo is on the releaed list.

Does BR still hold interest? Squad player? {Ed052's Note - no}

Jun 2013 17:04:09
Ayre takes pressure off Rodgers

Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre insists there is no pressure on Brendan Rodgers to lead the club to the Champions League next season {Ed002's Note - What would you expect him to say.}

But we all no it's a must.

"CL is our minimum requirement, we have invested heavily and it's where we have to be" ayre

That would be good :-)

Exactly he is only saying what he had to. He said the same about kenny.
derryred

07 Jun 2013 18:31:11
It also highlights how out of touch with the fans Ayre is! Tobiwan

His job depends on it.

Disney!

I expect him to say that Brendan youve spent a lot of money last season and you will again this season I expect us to be top 4 this season

In BR we trust, Don't We?

Or is there doubt?

What did Kenny not get these 3 years- something smells at LFC and it ain't the Rocks cooking!

Just shows how two faced and gutless the owners are then if he did say that, Kenny wasn't afforded that luxury which goes to show that they never wanted him as manager in the first place, letting the fans pick the manager essentially because they where too spineless to pick there own man. Two of the many reasons why I dislike them.

Waro

07 Jun 2013 21:13:40
Good to know waro! In your opinion was Andy Carroll, spearing and Charlie Adam the way forward?

Malak

Waro, you're right. They didn't want Kenny, but they realised that something had to be done and went for him to everyone together and probably as their preferred choice wasn't available. They backed him in the transfer market completely, but unfortunately it didn't work out. So they cut their losses and went back to the original plan.

Now, if you can't see that they're trying to do the right thing, you have a serious problem.

I personally, am glad to have FSG in charge and give them all of my support. I wish you'd just open your eyes for 5 minutes.

Paul R

No they weren't Malak, but if these owners hadn't employed a manager who they clearly didn't want and hadn't employed a so called talent spotter/negotiator of transfers ( commoli ) who was widely regarded in football circles as a bullsh**er and not very good at his job and used a complicated and quite frankly ridiculous way of identifying transfer targets ( money ball, ) then those players you have mentioned wouldn't be here now would they, so if your looking to defend these sycophants then that is your prerogative, but don't try to throw failed players into the equation to deflect the obvious failings of F$G.

Waro

Paul R, It's frustrating when people can't see what's staring them in the face isn't it! Now you know how I feel with regards people such as yourself who buy into there propaganda and spin, were a mediocre team and have a transfer policy similar to the Swansea's of this world ( sell to buy and stay in budget ) and these owners have convinced you all that it's a good thing and the correct way to go, you all lap it up and use it to defend the club against criticism ( where doing it the right way, not with a sugar daddy BS. )

Can I just add who was there preferred choice at that time then? Because the way they handled looking for a manager after Kenny would suggest that before they gave Kenny the job they were sitting in an office in Boston looking at each other and shrugging there shoulders, they said they wanted a young manager with fresh ideas, so why not appoint a young manager with fresh ideas at the time? There where plenty about, a few who they looked at/interviewed after they sacked a legend. Feel free to take the ostrich approach Paul R if that's your coping mechanism, me, I prefer to meet things head on.

Waro

07 Jun 2013 22:47:19
I wasen't doing that man! I was simply pointing out some of the reasons KK had to go!
But you are completely right about that it's their mistake in the first place for appointing him because of the fans pressure! And comolli was just a massive fail! But he got sacked, I think they are improving slowly and I hope not to be proved wrong for the best of Liverpool!

Malak

Waro, you say that people are buying into the spin but could it not simply be that people have the choice to decide that a club run responsibly, with a solid foundation and a plan for beyond a 2 year spell is a sound way to go? And on the basis that buying low and selling high is a sensible way to do business. Developing from within and becoming attractive to the best youngsters in the world? Just another train of thought. Yes they have made mistakes but they appear to be learning quickly to me.

Andy K

Move on waro what good does it do you living in the past like this? move on!

Basically Kenny was shafted as FSG sat around in Boston not knowing what to do with their lastest Asset LFC. FSG relied on Consultants always a bad idea to advise them.

Does anyone know of a successful business that relies on consultants with no inhouse management structure?

Isn't it funny that a certain FSG advisor is now manager of a ckub formerly managed by BR?

And yet some attack Kenny on here for no reason other than being an FSG patsy no wonder when he met with FSG to return to LFC he turned it down.

{Ed002's Note - You have to be some sort of idiot? No management structure? Dalglish shafted? People should not have a problem with Dalglish - what he has done for the clubs and supporters over the years is wonderful and well documented. FSG did what the fans wanted and offered him the manager's job full time - a job that he was not up to after being out of the game for so long. He spent a great deal of money - poorly in my view. Then on December 21, 2011 he did something particularly dumb which made it clear he would be gone at the end of the season regardless of the poor results and position in the league. The reason for Dalglish leaving was entirely the responsibility of Suarez.}

07 Jun 2013 16:53:32
Hello Eds and everyone else. I was wandering if Andy Carroll being sent out on loan again is a possibility. I know this is near the bottom of ideas for his future, but I can't see him leaving permentanly this summer and I know rodgers won't want to keep him {Ed002's Note - No.}

07 Jun 2013 16:18:11
Is there any chance of getting Luis Muriel? {Ed002's Note - Use the search function.}

07 Jun 2013 15:14:03
Whisper it once and pass it on - Torres!

PaulP

Whisper it twice and pass it on Torres ain't coming!

07 Jun 2013 14:57:56
i am glad I seen the transfer summary that all the eds put time into answering an it was up to 20 odd players that were named. but even when it was posted we still had people askin will we sign paphopalos bla bla. i'm not mad, some times I don't have to watch the comedy channel with the tools on this. Shanks :)

Have to agree that summary was real informative and first thing I thought when reading it was this should negate all the silly questions. but I was wrong. eds suggestion if I may and perhaps you have previously tried it but if you had that summary at the top of the page (s)surely that would stop some of the pointless qs. like everyday with a weekly update if 1 is even necessary. thanks for the site btw love it. cheers

What about a "word cloud" where the most frequently noted names are in larger test and bolded? Sadly I do not believe that anything will save us though.

Andy K

07 Jun 2013 14:28:37
This is to all eds. I know you get asked this a lot but I value your opinions. Who do you think we will sign this summer?

Cheers
Neilp {Ed002's Note - You need to read the posts N.}

07 Jun 2013 14:20:25
Any chance of spurs finding their own transfer targets, there a ****in joke, came in with a late offer for Aspas, How many times do they have to try and steal our transfer targets.

We must have a similar budget and we are quite similar in league position ie just outside the top 4 so it will inevitable we share a few targets.

MIKEY

We were just outside the top 4 (1 point), you lot on the other hand were eons away from the top 4 and will continue to be so!

Much love

Great comeback, try winning something and then try to gloat, you person!

Red till I die

07 Jun 2013 16:36:11
Haha, if you say so deluded spud!
We were 18 points behind you in 2011-2012 and 10 in 2012-2013! Next year it might be the other way around as you're the luckiest team ever and it will end soon!

Aww bless, another spurs fan giving it the big'un. You've had a few good years, have a reality check. Our squads are incredibly similar and our seasons weren't that different. We've had one of our worse years, you've had one of your best.
Without Bale you're barely top ten, and whether you like it you'll always be the third best team in London at best.
John

There must be much love if you're on a LFC page. Oh wait, I'm sure no one's on the Spurs page cause nobody likes them.

Class is permanent form is temporary. and things can change mister much love for Liverpool pages before delboy took over your lads were sinking hard. p. s enjoy dempsey and sig if we had of got them to we mightened have got coutinio and sturridge. bullet dodged. also if we didn't beat you last time we played you might have got top four to bad tho

When bale goes this summer, we shall see what u can actually do

07 Jun 2013 20:49:43
Mate, spurs save a fortune on a scouting system and just want to be us. It's a simple business ploy.

Don't open our mouths and when we do send them the rubbish players like Dempsey and Siggy. Fools!

Cost them champions league last year.

I think Rogers and the lads at the top should hopefully have learnt their lessons by now.

Alfie

07 Jun 2013 13:39:26
The Ukrainian leagues are making a lot of money :
Fabinho-35mil to city
william -20 mil
Mirkhiayn if sold -20 mil

07 Jun 2013 14:55:18
fernandinho u mean?

Because they do not have strict work permit rules. they can buy Brazilians who are highly rated at 22 years old who are not internationals then keep them for 3-6 seasons and sell them for huge profits when they get European passports

07 Jun 2013 13:34:10
People have to remember that Man Cty, Manchester United & Chelsea will all be spending massive amounts, while Arsenal & Spurs will also spend a fair amount like it or not at the minute they are all ahead of us, and with Suarez keen on leaving we are in the same situation as when Torres wanted out, we are building a good team but need to keep our best players to push on, but people have also got to understand that this summer will be huge as Reina might be on his way to Barcelona, so we would need a Gk or two, Carra has retired, Wilson has left Skrtel & Coates look set to leave so we will need to 2 CB as we have just brought in Toure, Spearing, Shelvey, Downing & Assaidi look likely to leave depending on replacements, Suarez wants to leave & Carroll will complete his move to West Ham next week, so if you look at our current match-day squad of 18 it looks like we are going to be replacing 9 of those so our team will need to adapt to each other and understand the way we play which will take time, we will be looking to compete for the CL qualification next season but it will be extremely difficult given the amount of players that will need replacing.

Top4 this season is a pipe dream or a wet one!

I don't think you're right. Of our current match day 18, at most we are losing 4 (including Carragher). Everyone else has been out on loan, peripheral members or emergency cover. The core of the team remains very much the same aside from Suarez and many people fail to grasp (although FSG and BR seem to) that getting rid of players like Downing, even though we can do better than him, is a bad idea because we need some consistency, continuity and options. There, it is not likely that we'll lose him. What you are looking at here is another year of 'worst case scenario' like last year. What our early dealings looks more like is a case of new players coming into a solid core and having plenty of time to train, prepare and bed themselves in for the new season

07 Jun 2013 13:19:45
How very explanatory of Mr. Ayre to explain Stadia situ to ALL of us. DID HE RUN IT PAST SAM FIRST?-Cos according to him our fans from ALL over the World should access plans at the Council offices in person. AND even If (he didn't) mean online our LFC friends all over the World SHOULD KNOW correct links according to SAM (The know all) world. How very dare you Mr. Ayre!-Far to professional and inclusive!

Assuming this is a dig at me, you're just making yourself look more stupid. If you don't know anything about how the British property system works, how exactly would it be possible to give you clear updates on the stadium? You won't understand what your told beyond the very basics which we ARE updated on (in fact, I believe a statement was released today), what's the point?

What I told you was that most of what is going on that is not personal and private between the club and involved individuals (which you have no right to know about - how would you feel about selling your house and every discussion between you and the agent was posted online?) is a matter of public record. It is not up to the club to let you know what is happening every minute, and it is a ridiculous criticism to suggest that they should be doing that. If you really wanted to know that badly, you can find out. You could even just google 'Liverpool fc stadium' and the latest news is all right there. Your just yet another person too ineffective at life to do anything but sit around and complain that everyone in the world doesn't run around after you to help you with your bitterness and incompetence.

Your just yet another person too ineffective at life to do anything but sit around and complain that everyone in the world doesn't run around after you to help you with your bitterness and incompetence.

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I love this . it will be part of my signature in all of my work emails. Thanks Samsam

07 Jun 2013 20:20:18
Apart from the fact it should 'you are' or 'you're' rather than your that is quite a poetic rebuke.

ThomasK

07 Jun 2013 12:58:02
Ed002, if you are correct and Aspas is a Suarez replacement, that does not suprise me at all. Neither does it worry me. La Liga is on the same level as the EPL. It is also a 'technically' better league making it harder for weaker sides to flourish and score due to a lack of possession. Aspas, despite being in the worst team not to get relegated scored 12 goals and got 8 assits in 34 appearances. Now consider that his team probably averaged about 35-45% possession throughout the season, and you can start to see how few and far between chances would've been for this guy. I bet Celta averaged less than 10 shots a game.

At 25 years old (same age as Aspas), Suarez was playing in the premier league, in a Liverpool side creating literally hundreds of chances for him over the course of the season. The so called 'world class' Suarez scored 11 goals and got 5 assists, despite Liverpools average possession being around 55-60% and us regularly having 20-25 shots per game.

If at the same age, these players had similar attacking records (with Aspas arguably being in a more difficult position due to Celtas lack of quality) what is to say Suarez is the better player? If you watch Aspas he is very similar to Craig Bellamy. He offers everything you want in a forward. He is passionate, creates chances, and links up well, but he is far superior to Bellamy in front of goal. If Suarez can more than double his tally as he hits his prime, what's stopping Aspas doing the same? He could easily score 20 goals for us next year. But you will all write him off without even thinking about the situation logically, right?

Aspas is an absolute steal and some top European teams were chasing his signature. We should be proud our club still has the pulling power to acquire a man in love with his team (Aspas has been with Celta since he was 10 and cried in his last game!), and also convince him to reloacate to a new country, whilst turning down offers from teams that could offer a lot more next season than we can. Seriously people, support this guy, and you will see him take off in the mighty Red. He has serious talent.

Post Scriptum: If you, like me, are one of the poeple not writing him off before he's played one game, this rant does not apply, and I hope my statistical analysis will add to your optimism.

La liga defensively is comedy thus onaldo and messi etc breaking all kinds of goal scoring records

It will be harder to score in the PL fact!

But I think aspas will br an decent signing if not spectacular

07 Jun 2013 13:17:44
only Chelsea and relegated reading were interested in january.
If you honestly believe that this man going to repicate suarez performance.
we did create chances for borini, he didn't hit a barn door

07 Jun 2013 13:43:28
The best form of defence is to have the ball. Ronaldo and Messi score so many because they play in the two best teams in Europe (Bayen Munich aside or course). EPL defences are much worse. Arguably, there are slightly better keepers in England, but Spanish defences are faster, better postion wise and much better in one on one situations. Premier league defenders just tend to be stronger and better in the air. Have you even watched any La Liga games?

As for you Harry, I've given up on you. Borini played out of position for about 12 games, before getting injured. He is also 4/5 years younger than Aspas/Suarez, and well off his prime years. He had about 3 sub appearances as a striker and scored a good poachers goal for us, and proved he has good instincts with that belter that hit the post. Judge him in a couple of years when he's Sturridges age, and playing more minutes as an actual striker.

I actually think we will be better with Aspas, let alone as good. He is more of a team player, and he is not as eratic in front of goal. He may score less, but he will do it in half the shots and will keep our attack flowing more often than not, bringing others into the game. You clearly completely ignored the facts in this post, and chose to persist with your man love of a man who has shamed the club, and dragged our football down with his greed, and lack of end product in relation to the amount of chances he is presented with.

Hard to hit a barn door if your in the treatment room and not on the pitch. bet your one of the tits who slate every player including stevie at the match over a misplaced pass or one of the lucas haters until everyone else thought he was decent. or do not go to the match?

give the lad a chance ffs

Pk

Well I don't agree with your post but it is well written and intelligent unlike is michael jackson joining lfc I read on twitter or was it michael jordan!

07 Jun 2013 14:31:54
People get confused here with lucas and borini.
Lucas was bought when we had solid midfielders availble abd for a fee of 5 mill when Liverpool was in CL. even if he failed misserbaly, no one actually biotherd coz, it never effected our team.

Borini OTH is a direct first team player bought at 11 mill from Italy,
BR knew where he wanna play borini. and so he bough it it. If the CF position is already sorted out, We would have never bought borini. or if he was bought to play anywhere in front 3, then he has been playing there.

Its a shame that he has been injured,
I don't care who scores the goals and do the job, the only thing I care is Liverpool needs to win.
If its borini, allen or suarez.

YNWA ADAM.

Mate, I honeslty appreciate your views and am fully behind my team, But lest face it, Luis suarez ronaldo, Messi, these players are born winners,. like gerrard etc. you actually can't replace them.
and if u believe Asapas would do what suarez does then, I too am giving up on you.

we have sepnd over 60 mill to replace the damage caused when alonso left from the ehart of our midfield. still we are vulnerable in the middle at times.

If you look at the bigger picture and predict the future, You ll realize how important CL and its revenue is for our club.

The farther we are it. the more difficult it is run our club.

We had a chance when there was investment, for which we were crying from past 15 years and we wasted a pretty good portion of it.

lets pray and believe Asapas will be another countinho.

07 Jun 2013 14:33:43
PK.

Harry scousser, myself is being associated with football from quiet a long long time, you don't have any clue on me nor my views,
Steven gerrard is a legend. born once in lifetime.

Sorry Adam but I disagree about the La Liga defenses. They do tend to be quicker but they are very 1 dimensional. In England you have Spurs, Southampton, Stoke and Chelsea all displaying three very clear, different and able types of defense, in Spain you get 3 runners and maybe one big guy in every team. Plus defenders, even CB's, are more likely to be very attacking in Spain leaving much more room.

However, Asapas had a very decent return this year against a team that just about avoided relegation. Sometimes when players like that have a better team around them, they can't improve much or even suffer from it (sure we can all think of strikers who did it in a small team, got their chance in the big time and flopped - Darren Bent is my best one). Some take their opportunity, use the better resources around them and flourish. It's hard to tell before giving him a decent chance, but he's done as well as could be expected for anyone with the service and support he's had this year and now has his chance to move up a level. let's see what he does!

07 Jun 2013 15:00:22
Stopped reading at the so called world class suarez jibe adam. I am guessing the rest of your post is anti suarez because he looks like leaving and your comparing him to a player who you have probably seen once. don't be bitter it makes you sound like a twisted from across the park (maybe you are ). let's see how we get on if he leaves and aspas is his replacement. Clueless and bitter.

Waro

Harry Scousser,

Thats fair enough I have no idea on you or your views.

I was merely making a point that far too many "fans" are quick to slate players they are supposed to be backing, with you having a pop at borini.

I like the way you write in riddles though keep up the good work fella I thought it was the beginning of a s**t poem for a second

Pk

The only point I would like to make amidst all this squabbling - if a player wants to go - get over it.
As for 'once in a lifetime' players
that is silly. ALL players get replaced
and sometimes the replacement ends up being better (Torres/Suarez - and I know he
wasn't bought as a replacement but it ended up that way). There is
ALWAYS someone better who pops up eventually and then HE becomes the once in a lifetime player

Puzzled

Are we really claiming him to be in the same class as Ronaldo and messi? I even printed the stats between all three players a week ago to show how laughable that is. Suarez is a good player nothing more. Yet some fans believe him to be the second coming. He not in rush or Fowler's class at all. Why are people championing a player who had a very average first season and a good second season both marred by off field antics and courting other clubs? Let's not forget he was talking upa transfer to barca just months after joining, all while helping to cost a club legend his job and repeatedly ignoring, fans club and manager.

He can do a few nutmegs and score a few goals, if you give him 200 attempts.

Nevada

07 Jun 2013 18:38:52
I have had my differences with Harry and Waro, but have to agree with them on this one.

Aspas has no doubt done well in a struggling team. He has pretty much single handedly made sure Celta stay in La Liga. However, I am astounded and rather very disappointed that we have identified Aspas as Suarez's replacement. I will not shead a tear for Suarez, and will be glad to see him go after all that has happened.

Keeping in mind that Chelsea, Man City, Man UTD, Arsenal and Tottenham will all improve their squad, LFC have no choice. If Aspas is the best we can do, I worry.

I have been a staunch believer in BR and his team, but I question Aspas' signing if the above is true. I earlier conversed with Ed002 and while calculations were wrong, I still think there will be some cash left over even after/if we buy Papa, Aspas, Ilori, Alberto and Mickey to spend on 'big signing' (It's worth noting that Macca mentions about 25 million will be given by FSG in addition to money made through sale).

I have to disagree with Adam on La Liga defenders. I don't think they are as good as the PL ones overall.

The real AG

07 Jun 2013 20:00:09
On the same page as you Nevada. Waro, i'm not bitter and twisted for being able to judge a player without bias. Search my name YNWAdam or YNWA! (Adam), as I have always been of this opinion months before he started asking to leave. Ed001 shares very similar views on Suarez. He wastes too much and is too greedy. he's a good player, in a strong team built around him. We make Suarez good, not the other way round. I may be wrong about Aspas, but I am basing this post on way more than just a dislike of Suarez. Not that you'd know, because you were too ignorant to read it.

YNWAdam

Suarez is an exceptional player, not just good in my eyes, however Liverpool will go on if and when he leaves. Keegan, Rush, Owen, Torres were all replaced. I am not suggesting that Aspas is a 1 on 1 equal replacement as I have only seen some youtube highlights but it is possible that the team may function better over all. How about we see what happens before we get over excited either way.

Andy K

07 Jun 2013 12:47:02
Benteke Ince and Tevez to come in if Suarez is sold! What you recken Ed?

Since ed002 has said 1000 times that Tevez is not coming if you read the posts what do you think?

07 Jun 2013 14:34:52
whats the logic in selling suarez and bringing in tevez?.

07 Jun 2013 12:26:47
Not sure if this is rumours or banter but as there's not a 'Liverpool Rant' section, here goes.

Yes, we're linked to a load of players - we always are, as are most high profile teams.

What gets my goat is people criticising the players we're linked with by saying they are not good enough for Liverpool.

A couple of points:

1) Not every player is bought to be a first 11-er - we've been linked with Alex Pearce from Reading (who was not being played at the end of the season by the Royals due to a contract dispute, not because he wasn't good enough). Great, I say. Clearly not a first teamer, although may become one (Lucas wasn't a first teamer when he was bought, but plenty would now consider him one). And for free, on cheap wages, he's a great backup to have.

People have also said we should buy Mignolet instead of Jones, even if Pepe doesn't leave. I don't want Pepe to leave, but I agree with some other posters that Jones is actually a really good backup. Seems pretty solid when he comes in. Never going to set the world on fire, but does a decent shift for the handful of games he will be needed to play every season. Maybe a younger backup may be good, but that's what the Academy is for, to see if we can unearth the next star to take over in years to come. I'd play a younger keeper in one of the cups and Jones in the other one, so both get games and experience - the younger one to develop and Jones to keep sharp.

I'm very much for investing the Suarez money (should it come, still hoping not. ) in a number of players rather than a marquee signing. Our squad lacks depth and whilst a marquee signing may keep some fans happy, I'd much rather we spread our net and pick up the 'next Michu' rather than gambling £30m on one player with massive wages.

At the end of the day, its a team game, and if every player pulls together, we can be much stronger than the sum our parts. And the stars will develop and grow like they used to do in the good ole days.

If this board was around in the 70s, would we be moaning about picking up some gawky Welsh kid from Chester? Or a Scottish forward from Celtic who had never proven himself in the stronger English league? Eh?

Brendan deserves some credit for what was on paper a stronger second half of the season. If we don't kick on this year, then fair enough, but, despite being sceptical this time last year, I'm felling quite positive about the sort of football we are playing, and the sort of team we are building, whilst maintaining a level of financial integrity!

Right, rant over.

Eds, What's your take on the Ince situation? Will it be easier or harder to sign him with his dad now in charge rather than Holloway? Has he indicated any preferences for Liverpool over Spurs or others in the past? Was he happy at Liverpool for the majority of time that he was here?

Ta

Z {Ed002's Note - His father being manager will make no difference to any potential transfer. What's your goat called?}

Thanks Ed. P. S. Billy. He's particularly bad tempered, in fact sometimes his manner could be described as gruff. ;-)

07 Jun 2013 13:11:53
Good post. We will make players into stars!

Ed002, I met Z once. He has two goats named X and why :)

07 Jun 2013 13:23:01
Ed, how come 'Y' gets autocorrected to why? Are you trying to filter out chav language or something? haha

07 Jun 2013 12:12:09
Hi eds,

With all the statements mentioning Mignolet wants to leave Sunderland, and the rumours talking about interest from Liverpool, I wanted to know your views on the subject: is there genuine interest in the belgium keeper from Anfield?
With Gulacsi officialy leaving and possibly Jones this summer, do you think it likely that we will end up having Reina AND Mignolet (or another one) next season?

Many thanks! :)

John {Ed002's Note - There is interest in Mignolet and we will have to wait to see what happens with Reina.}

07 Jun 2013 11:56:41
On Tevez links:
If he's not moved somewhere else by the end of July, Tevez could be a possibility. Remember Bellamy moving to us on the last day? City will want him gone, they'll prioritise Aguero in their 4-3-3 formation and Tevez won't be happy with that. We will have likely sold Suarez, there would be a point for having a proven goalscorer whose cost and wages could now be covered by the Suarez sale.

As long as he accepts less wages (around £130k and not the £200k or so he gets at City). Maybe he won't want to move again like Kolo, that would be key. He's gotten over his attitude of not liking the north-west. Mascherano will rate us to him. And despite being 29, he still has resale value, we could move him on in 2 years to Brazil/Argentina and recoup some investment, there will be interest.

I don't think he cares that much about CL, actually he has no loyalty or preferences, he didn't move to West Ham years ago to win trophies. It would be a nice change as fans will know not to get attached to the player, he's no role model! On the other hand he'd score 25+ goals a season, for maybe £10m or £12m is a sound investment. 4 yr contract, sorted.

Sturridge + Tevez = Top 4 guaranteed. Don't faff about with 'new wonderkids' or foreign players who score goals in lesser quality leagues, get the real deal.
RC

07 Jun 2013 12:22:05
You are basically cluseless

Dillusional but amazing if it happens

Sorry did you actually just suggest he wouldn't care about CL football, wouldn't want to move from the NW despite very obviously not wanting to live in the NW. And he doesn't care about winning tophies because, to break into the European Leagues from Brazil, he made a start with West Ham? You utterly contradict youself saying don't buy foreign players and then saying Tevez would have gone to a better club than WH if he was loyal to Corinthians somehow. And suggesting if we lose Suarez we should rely on bringing in someone once the season has already started. me. Almost every word of this is so publicly documented as wrong and ridiculous

Thats crazy talk bud he is disruptive and don't think he has bothered to learn the language properly either. a great player but a total money grabber and doesn't even hide the fact let the sugar daddy run clubs have players like that. Liverpool on the other hand imo will go after players that are good and wanna play but got a bit neglected e.g sturridge, coutinio, so dzeko would be more up our alley not saying that's going to happen at all but tevez is so far outside what we seem to be after these days. its pointless even thinking on it.

07 Jun 2013 11:47:27
Out of ten, what are the chances of signing each of these players:

-Arda Turan (Atletico Madrid)
-Keisuke Honda (CSKA Moskva)
-Iago Aspas (Celta Vigo)
-Henrikh Mkhitaryan (Shaktar)
-David Villa (Barcelona)
-Carlos Teves (ManCity)
-Xabi Alonso (Real Madrid)

Thanks {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}

-Iago Aspas (Celta Vigo)
-Henrikh Mkhitaryan (Shaktar)

THE REST YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT

07 Jun 2013 09:22:08
Hi Eds,
I read earlier today that we are looking into signing Tevez as possible replacement for suarez, what's your opinion and do you think there is any truth in this one? {Ed002's Note - Is it April 1?}

07 Jun 2013 10:41:10
Any interest from us in Lorenzo Insigne of Napoli?

Heard Rafa at Napoli may offer him to us to get Skrtel.

IMO would be a very good signing looks much better than Borini.

Bosco {Ed002's Note - No.}

07 Jun 2013 09:07:30
I have heard LFC have given an ultimatum to Suarez Agent of either submit a transfer by July 1st or forget about leaving or for the teams who are after him to submit bids by July 1st. Heard it from one of the supervisor stewards.
Any truth? {Ed002's Note - Clubs tend not to do dumb things like that.}

I can promise you that anyone involved in stewarding, even a senior steward, is unlikely to ever know anything about the dealings of the club.

06 Jun 2013 21:02:37
Ed's would be interested to know your opinions. LFC being linked with in my eyes some top Midfeiders at the moment. Grenier, Mhktyrian, Luis albeto, Eriksen.
I am a big admirer of all of the above and I am pleased we seem to be being linked to the right type of player after some recent transfer blunders. I cannot see many of the above joining to sit on the bench.
My question is from an attacking midfield area who do think BR see's as surplus to requirements in our current squad. I'm not sure about Shelvey, Allen, Downing.
That still leaves Hendo, Gerrard, Coutinho.

ED's and Reds any thoughts?

Dave {Ed052's Note - I csn see Shelvey going. Allen wont, he is a very good player who picked up a bad injury. I like Downing due to the effort he puts in, but he has improved hugely this last year. He may leave. }

I don't see the point in Downing going, sure he isn't good enough to be a starter next year - I hope - but he has turned his form round after that awful first year, he wouldn't command a big transfer fee so we won't recoup too much money, he's a ready made back up who is versatile enough to play in 2 different positions. We should try and tie him down to one of these performance based contracts fsg have started if his wages are too high, maybe then he will continue to up his game, his problem has never been ability he just seems to have confidence problems, if you watch him early in the game and he beats his full back he will go on to have a good game, if he gets booted he will fade

Ed I have to disagree with you on this one. Downing is the first player I would replace in the squad. Yes he has put the effort in and has improved but I still see him as being ineffective and just not good enough. If we could get more pace, skill and potency down the right side we would be a much better team.

Thank you

07 Jun 2013 07:41:20
Hey eds, ave we completed the deal for Iago aspas and also what is the mkhitaran situation. Thanks eds {Ed002's Note - The "deal" cannot be completed just yet.}

07 Jun 2013 07:13:58
Monaco seem to want to buy everyone.

07 Jun 2013 05:32:18
Suarez to Ath Madrid.
Turan + Adrian + 10M

Carrol to West Ham United : 15M

Soldado : Carrol's 15 M + 10M above.


Suarez+ Carrol == Soldado+ Adrian + Turan.

07 Jun 2013 10:17:44
caroll 20 mill loss. suarez 25 mill profit.
suarez a traitor for some here?

'caroll 20 mill loss. suarez 25 mill profit.
suarez a traitor for some here?


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Profit doesn't equal loyalty. What a ridiculous thing to insinuate. People are annoyed at Suarez because he's pushing to leave after LFC have had their reputation taken apart as a result of standing by him through his utterly ridiculous behaviour.

JFT 96

JP

07 Jun 2013 01:59:55
Awesome work Ed 052 and Ed 030 on http://www.player-profiles.co.uk/

Excellent job, lots of hard work and tremendous input.

I urge other fans to read these player profiles. Well worth it.

How about a player profile on Tiago Ilori

07 Jun 2013 01:30:45
How come some transfer fees are undisclosed? I don't see what the problem in knowing is? to ed's and posters?

Ynwa {Ed002's Note - There are no undisclosed fees as they all get declared and logged on a database maintained by UEFA. Clubs will often not wish to discuss the fees at the time of the transfer so will make no mention of it in any associated press release.}

07 Jun 2013 00:01:35
Ed02 - can u tell me your FB page please? Saw it on a post a few days ago and checked it out - bloody hilarious! - can't find it now though lol {Ed002's Note - Ed002 Appreciation Society at: tinyurl.com/c6j7t2m }

06 Jun 2013 22:34:02
Hi eds, what is the situation with tello? Do you think we can and are going to get him this summer and if not who are we looking at in the winger position?

Cheers {Ed002's Note - Search function please.}

06 Jun 2013 20:32:21
Hello Edds I'm just wondering why people are rumouring a price of 22m for Henrikh mkhitaryan that's the same price we paid for Suarez who was also 24/25 but suarez came with messi esk stats and obvious skill and a great reputation from a well respected club and leading uragury well ferther then exspected in the wc where as henrikh does not not to mention after then Torres drama we was forced to make a quick buy so Ajax has us by our small an squidgys now I'm not slating him of because iv seen him on YouTube an he's going to be great for our club if it happens but I just can't see why we would ever consider that price. But I trust BR because he hasn't made a bad signing and has go us some great bargains. I no it's rumours but it seems to keep cropping up an at the same price of 22m just wondering why cheer Edds ynwa {Ed002's Note - Try the conspiracy page.}

Uragury? Are they any good?

Sureaz. great reputation in the Dutch league? He served a 7 match ban for biting an opponent when we bought him. Don't agree with you there buddy.

Erik_Oslo

07 Jun 2013 09:20:22
But I trust BR because he hasn't made a bad signing and has go us some great bargains

sahin, allen, borini.

Youll regret saying Allen is a bad signing.

07 Jun 2013 11:07:02
That awkward moment when you slate somebody for spelling Uruguay wrong, then spell Suarez wrong in the same post.

Its not an English test dude. Leave the OP's spelling out of the discussion.

YNWAdam

Sahin didn't do well. but is a fantastic player make no mistake about it. allen had a bad season but is also a great player. as for borini two bad injurys. since he has came back from his latest injury he has looked real good great runs hunger cracking shots. all what were after. two of the three names you mentioned can't be judged yet. and the other was a loan from 1 of the best clubs on the planet. plus a point I will make I don't think we will ever see borini or allen having off field issues good lads both and still barely out the teens. let's get behind our lads a bit rodgers included.