Liverpool Banter Archive December 07 2017

07 Dec 2017 21:31:45
Just wondering Eds why Klopp persists with Henderson in midfield and more importantly as captain. He's simply not up to scratch anymore, and is quite frankly at times a liability in the middle of the park with his continuos side passing. Is there a chance his days at the club are numbered and he'll be sold in the summer?

{Ed002's Note - He is the Liverpool captain and a commited player. Would you rather give the armband to one of those not comited who wants out?}

07 Dec 2017 22:37:58
Hear hear ed02. Rather have a team of Henderson’s than Coutinhos. Ok maybe that’s an exaggeration, Hendo hasn’t been as effective this year as he has been in previous years but he is playing much deeper with much less freedom currently than he has previously. He is a box to box midfielder being made to play the no. 6 role. He’s never going to be a Gerrard, Kante, Fabregas etc but he can be effective and cares about the shirt. Enough said in my book. When on top form he’s one of the first names on the team sheet and I’m confident he will get back to that level. If we buy a dedicated CDM that will free Hendo to play his natural position which is currently being filled by Wiji, who is nowhere near as effective as Hendo is at that role.

07 Dec 2017 23:21:05
Just wondering Ed's why certain posters persist with spouting the same sideways passing nonsense against a player who has proven more than good enough. Instead of supporting him whilst he regains his form after a horrible ongoing heel injury, you use the sideways passing speil as a stick to beat hendo with despite him being asked to perform the role Klopp has instructed him too.

08 Dec 2017 03:37:08
Emre Can should have been awarded the armband. I would have given him personal assurances and captaincy ( he is certain to be one for his national team )

07 Dec 2017 23:32:01
Here we go again. Henderson does not always pass sideways. He simply is in there to keep the ball ticking over which is what Klopp would instruct him to do and Henderson does very well. How on earth do you expect to break teams down by playing the ball forward each time. Just use your common sense and realise that to break these teams down you have to move the ball from one side of the pitch to the other, preferably with speed. Then opportunities arise to play the ball forward whether that is Henderson or the other 10 players we have. Hopefully this will now widen your knowledge of the game that Liverpool like to play. Thank you.

{Ed001's Note - it is pointless mate, if they still think that then they simply haven't a clue.}

08 Dec 2017 08:45:20
Farmer, "How on earth do you expect to break teams down by playing the ball forward each time. . "

We did just that without Henderson's side passing vs Spartak. What you talking about?

08 Dec 2017 10:21:51
Dilakh, then why continue to play him if he keeps on struggling with a heel injury? It makes no sense whatsoever to play a player who is not in good form, captain or not. Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but its frustrating to see attacks break down because henderson wants to play it safe.

08 Dec 2017 10:51:37
Some people are clueless! You can’t go forward all the time. I’ve seen Hendo play many killer balls so the rubbish about him always passing sideways is a myth and your justbusing it to try and give your argument some substance. You don’t rate him, that’s your opinion but Donte make up things to try and justify it. get behind our players, we’re in a good place and your still not happy!

{Ed001's Note - give up mate, it is a waste of time, some people just don't understand football and would have hated Liverpool of the 80s when almost every pass went sideways.}

08 Dec 2017 12:19:54
go and watch salahs goal against spurs. one of the passes of the season from hendserson. he has the ability. he is being instructed to play this way. if he loses possession the position he is currently playing it will leave us exposed.

08 Dec 2017 12:59:57
I like Henderson, and don't necessarily agree with criticism about passing sideways, but I've noticed an issue with him this season is that he tends to get dribbled past a lot, leaving opposition players running straight at our defence with no protection. It seems to me that he rushes in too quickly to close down which leaves a big gap in front of the defence when they get around him.

Has anyone else noticed this?

08 Dec 2017 14:02:17
To be honest Kyles the one time I saw him get dribbled by constantly was the Chelsea game and that was because Hazard was having a field day because Hendo was getting no help from his midfield partners.

08 Dec 2017 14:06:51
Just aswell your not manger then harry isn't it, klopp is not going to do things just to suit you! your over excitement would more than likely have us in the national league in 4 years time.
Harry you keep rambling on about this and that are you the new moyes (football genius)? .
Opinions are exactly that but I fear you really believe things should be done your way, we'll reality check for you it's not going to happening in klopp we trust in harry we doubt.

09 Dec 2017 00:06:14
Harry, good thing Klopp will never do what you want. How can you give the arm band to a player who will be off in the summer? Clueless drivel, really. Klopp will never play, sign players or employ the tactics you want and you need to get over yourself cos all you have is an opinion, which are not facts.

As for Hendo's detractors who moronically go on and on about passing sideways, they would have hated the Barcelona teams of Cruyff and Pep who passed sideways all the time BUT cos Hendo does it (which is his job to keep possession and not force a pass forward to prove a stupid point), they start moaning like triggered haters. Pep, Xavi, Alonso passed sideways a thousand times in their careers cos they played in teams that like to possess the ball a lot, you know, LIKE WE DO. Wiji plays more sideways passes than Hendo does BUT funny enuff, he gets no stick for it. The bias is deafening there.

But hey, let's beat up on the boy cos he is not flashy or does not play forward passes which is patently false cos he plays diagonals almost as good as SG did in his time. As Ed01 said, we should all give up on these haters cos this is a losing battle to talk sense to them.

07 Dec 2017 19:47:47
Has anyone used Liverpool tickets buy/ sell on Facebook before to get tickets? Are they legit?

08 Dec 2017 05:52:10
Yes and on Twitter. Never had any issues personally.

09 Dec 2017 10:24:46
Thanks for the reply.

07 Dec 2017 16:42:18
A few more points after speaking to Ed001.
Just a reminder as we need a fair few more for next summers charity football match in which it's Ed002 vs Ed001 being armchair managers.
Details:
£35 match fee per player
Held in the midlands at a floodlit pitch
Winning eds charity will receive 80% of money raised, whilst runner ups charity will receive 20% ( to give it the feel of competition)
The aim is to raise £1000
I've been tinkering with some programmes and streaming services, looks like the game will be able to be streamed to the posters which is great.
Any age is welcome to play, we have had a wide variety so far!
A lot of emails regarding not being able to play, but would like to donate to the eds charity. I've come up with the idea, that if people want to do that, they could donate to either eds charity, as a type of "I back you to win" donation. An we could get a poll going to see which team the posters back to win via donations :)
I've ran several football clubs an events so everything is in good hands. I'm friends with Dermot Gallagher also as he's from my town, and I'm sure I can get him to referee.
All we need is a few more sign ups, hoping to be able to pass everyone on to the eds this weekend so they can pick their teams.
Email benjaminallen1991@hotmail.co.uk
Your name/ username
Age
Position
1 strength
1 weakness.
Cheers gents.

07 Dec 2017 16:52:20
I would skip my finals to watch ed002 vs ed001 in a soccer match. Granted, they'll be coaching, so maybe a wrestling match, or a simple race. This sounds like loads of fun; wish I wasn't across the pond.
If Harry plays I hope he's on ed002's team!

07 Dec 2017 17:26:53
A bit random but Dermot Gallagher used to live 3 doors away from me in banbury - rents the house out now.

07 Dec 2017 17:32:28
I once saw Dermot Gallagher completely off his face one afternoon in a pub in Oxford with Graham Poll, he made some smutty remarks about the rather large breasted barmaid and had to be virtually carried out of there he was so drunk. Was hilarious. Graham Poll told me to f*** off when I asked him if he still did that three card trick.

07 Dec 2017 17:49:21
Maybe we know each other Tim :)

07 Dec 2017 20:50:32
I did a training course in Banbury last year with Yaskawa. Great little place, lots of industry and some lovely pubs!

Looking forward to the game (assuming any of the Eds selects me 😂 I'm sure i could wrangle a linesman if needed Benny. Got a mate who is his Sunday league clubs dedicated lino home and away!

07 Dec 2017 21:14:54
Another one there for you benny lad.

07 Dec 2017 21:16:23
Has a date and venue been set for this?

07 Dec 2017 22:25:22
It be good to try and get people from same kind of area to be able to travel together, suppose that can come closer to the time tho.

07 Dec 2017 22:46:48
Do you have a rough date Benny Baller? I am willing to play but have a holiday and business travel next summer so don't want to be a let down if needed.

08 Dec 2017 09:11:38
Can I donate to each ed instead? love this idea but can't commit to the event.

{Ed033's Note - Other donation links should be put up at some time.

08 Dec 2017 11:24:15
No official date yet, I have to get in touch with my friend who will let us know about the stadium. It's not Wembley unfortunately, but a southern conference team. The aim is for one of the 5 Saturdays in June.

08 Dec 2017 12:56:33
Looking forward to getting to know more about this. recently just hung my boots up (at 25! : ( ) but would certainly dust them off!

08 Dec 2017 20:56:03
Thanks Ed33.

09 Dec 2017 12:25:18
How about donating for every goal scored?

07 Dec 2017 14:53:47
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Spartak Moskva Match Review - A Liverpool Perspective

07 Dec 2017 15:29:17
I was gona mentiom firmino goal. The way he took his goal with the outside of his boot was class. Such a great game by everyone.

07 Dec 2017 15:29:17
I was gona mentiom firmino goal. The way he took his goal with the outside of his boot was class. Such a great game by everyone.

07 Dec 2017 16:43:45
I have to say I thought wiji did quite well last night- particularly in the first half. He never stopped harrying them and spotting trouble in the first half and certainly seemed to make an impact. The team as a whole were outstanding but after quite a while of him coasting through games barely getting involved, it was refreshing. Great review as always ed.

07 Dec 2017 16:26:44
Great review of a great performance eds.
Made myself laugh this morning, I imagined fat Sam watching that performance turning to little Sam and saying "we're going to need a bigger bus" in Jaws style.

{Ed001's Note - hahaha yeah I can see his face dropping as he watched that.}

07 Dec 2017 17:35:40
I honestly thought Wijnaldum was a waste of money when we bought him. But he’s really grown into the centre midfield role, he was disciplined and used the ball efficiently as well as getting a few tackles in. Good performance.

07 Dec 2017 17:36:26
Nice review Ed and completely agree about Coutinho respecting the captains role with respects to Moreno's injury - exactly how a captain should be - think Hendo needs to take note as he seems completely lacking when it comes to his interpersonal skills. Very impressive game from the team though, quality throughout.

07 Dec 2017 17:39:53
Very good ed01.

07 Dec 2017 18:16:04
Think PC and Alberto are BFF from all the social media pics, but still nice touch.

{Ed001's Note - they are very good friends.}

07 Dec 2017 18:09:17
Best review I've read on the game Ed. We'll done for pointing out how good we were and how bad we made them look.

Everyone else seems to think Spartak were just bad, and made us look good.

Obviously you have to play pretty poorly to lose 7-0, but still! Take nothing away from our boys. If winning 7-0 in the Champions league was easy, then we wouldn't have been the only team to do it so far this season!

07 Dec 2017 20:18:33
Great one, Ed. Spot on, MK. If you are winning 7-0 in a the CL and you manage to do that twice both at home and away, then you are doing something right and the manager and players should get all the credit. As for Everton and Big Sam, he will prolly ask for a waiver from the PL to play 15 players instead of 11 cos frankly, that may be their only hope of not just getting a point (they will lose on Sun) BUT just to not conceding 4 goals with the way our boys are playing now.

07 Dec 2017 22:28:22
Cheers Ed great review as always! An emphatic win and classy performance all round. As you say it's nit picking to look for negatives but Sturridge clearly not on the same wavelength as our other attackers. Seems like Solanke is a better option atm which is a real pity as Sturridge is superb when on form.

08 Dec 2017 00:38:47
Guys, it's still Everton, the players are still going to be up for it so I doubt it'll be a 4-0 thumping (I'd like it to be. ) game plans get ignored in derby matches.

08 Dec 2017 04:57:30
Good review Ed

Few questions remain for me
- They pressed high but didn’t have the game for it. We responded well with some good distribution from the back and that left them exposed. how well we respond to being pressed by better opposition will be key (we didn’t respond well vs. Tottenham for example) .
- Agree on Sturridge, he just looks like he’s playing a different sort of game to be honest. He movement doesn’t have the same alertness, pace and menace, is it because he’s not getting enough game time to fit in, or is it more fundamental? Would really like to see Solanke given a shot. Or alternatively move Mane upfront and Ox to the wide positions as Ox seems to be adapting better to the type of movement we’re looking for than Sturridge at the moment.
- love Hendo and hate the bashing he gets, but still think Can gives us something else sitting deep. what will we do when/ if he leaves? Feels like we’ll be a bit exposed unless Keita can do the job?

07 Dec 2017 13:45:47
Ed 001 if your around or any eds please could you give me your opinion on Lee Jones I know he was rated very highly by a few but suffered some really bad injuries but do you reckon he could of made it with us if he had stayed clear of those terrible blows.
Was he good enough or might he have been another who was good at youth level but not good enough for first team honours?
Thank you.

{Ed001's Note - no, he wasn't that good, I watched him a few times and he was very average just quick.}

07 Dec 2017 14:38:31
Cheers for the reply much appreciated.

{Ed001's Note - I have to admit he always really disappointed me as I had heard so much about him before I saw him. One of those 'was that it?' moments, a bit like my missus must get every time we win and I wake her up for some....}

07 Dec 2017 15:29:17
Ed01 I'm Jealous.

{Ed001's Note - I dread to ask why.....}

07 Dec 2017 15:29:17
Ed01 I'm Jealous.

{Ed001's Note - I dread to ask why!}

07 Dec 2017 13:17:59
Just read that Perr Schuurs has signed with Ajax. Best of luck to him. It's a shame we couldn't sign him from what I read about him he could really kick on to be a great player.

Eds, any reason how Ajax beat us to him? He seemed fairly set for us only a few weeks ago?

Many thanks in advance

Red Sandman.

{Ed001's Note - he was never fairly set for us, he was made a number of offers by a number of clubs and chose Ajax's one as the best one for him at this stage of his career.}

07 Dec 2017 13:24:09
I am happy he chose a club where he can play week in week out! Well done!

07 Dec 2017 14:15:08
He could turn out to be a great player, however I really think Joe Gomez is our future at CB so we need an experience player to play alongside him.

07 Dec 2017 11:26:48
Ed001.

Wound like you opinion opinion if I may.

Merseyside Derby, I personally think we should stick with same team that beat Spartak last night, agree?

{Ed001's Note - Moreno probably needs a rest and I would personally think Henderson would be a better choice than Wijnaldum. I normally go with the 'never change a winning team' philosophy but all the changes are working wonders at the moment as opponents are unable to prepare and set up to face us.}

07 Dec 2017 12:54:28
I predict:
Henderson in for Wijnaldum or Can.
Milner or Robertson in for Moreno.
Mignolet in for Karius.

07 Dec 2017 13:11:48
Henderson will play ping pong with CB n GK and hurt our forward momentum!

{Ed001's Note - you really are a tit. Embarrassing pathetic moronic crap you spout over and over ruining every thread with your idiocy. You said this stupidity once, now shut up and shove it up your backside, no one wants to read your gormless comments messing up every thread and turning a decent convo into your bitching about a player who you don't have the footballing intelligence to discuss. Just leave the football talk to the adults because you haven't a clue.}

07 Dec 2017 13:16:11
Milner to come in for Moreno. Klopp won’t drop Wiji for anyone!

07 Dec 2017 13:22:39
Salah, Mane, Firmino and Coutinho must be looking forward to another goal fest.

07 Dec 2017 13:49:23
Defo agree regardfmg Moreno, was at the match last night and he looked to be in a lot of pain. He tried to shake off the knock but was unable to do so.

I thought Gini played well last night along with Can.

07 Dec 2017 14:20:07
RelaxBrudder you haven't got a clue about football at all keep of the fourm your embarrassing edds your spot on with your remarks all he's doing is talking crap and putting players down. Great work as usual edds.

07 Dec 2017 14:20:15
Hendo will 100% come in for the derby, in my opinion for Can. I was at the game last night a few rows from the pitch and I was surprised how much Gini actually talks and noses the players around, he had a right to at Milner for not helping down the touch line, it was just good to see when we were about 5 up at the time. I'd like to Robertson play if Moreno is out but it will likely be Milner with it being a derby.

07 Dec 2017 14:25:15
Ed, if you were watching the Live Chat last night you’d have seen Relax and his partner in crime SG8 really shine as the pair of clowns they are, ruin a good chat that pair.

{Ed001's Note - I don't think I have even seen SG8 but relax just talks utter nonsense all the time.}

07 Dec 2017 15:00:34
Relax has to be a troll.

I’d like to see the same team start apart from Hendo in for Gini to give him a rest (sitting a little deeper alongside Can), then play Robbo in for Moreno due to his injury.

I’d also like to see us start a similar team to Spartak most weeks, but then make substitutes a little earlier to rest Mane, Firmino, Salah and Coutinho as required.

07 Dec 2017 17:46:55
its very easy to spot a troll especially in the live chat, even when you are wining 5-0 they always find something to moan about just PATHETIC always ignore these idiots.

07 Dec 2017 20:30:04
A moaner/ trol will always moan/ troll. It is like an emotional trigger for such people. However I would not be too hard on Relax. Why? I go to the This Is Anfield site and you should read the utter bile and abuse that Hendo gets and trust me, Relax is schoolboy compared to the abject and brainless rants they spout about Hendo. As Ed said, many whine about Hendo, a player they lack the footballing intelligence to discuss. (I'm keeping that one, Ed. )

07 Dec 2017 23:24:23
just a feelilng but i think there will be 4 changes for sunday, i think trent arnold for gomez, hendo for can/ gini, chamberlain for salah/ mane and ofcourse the usual mignolet for karius.
we are still playing another 3 games in the upcoming 7 days then 5 days until the arsenal game then 4 games in 10 days from the arsenal game so i expect klopp to rotate as he's been doing.

07 Dec 2017 22:11:56
Ed001 when I read your first comment, my immediate reaction was to laugh so hard i sprayed my drink over my computer screen, my second reaction was to say "tell me what you really think":-)

{Ed001's Note - my first comment? I didn't think my mention of Moreno was that funny personally ;-)

I did have to retype what I said a few times to remove swear words etc and put it in as nice a way as possible. So I wasn't actually saying what I really think!}

07 Dec 2017 12:15:56
I'm increasingly frustrated that Ward hasn't been given more opportunities and if he's really had a bust up with Karius and Klopp or whatever its gna be ashame if that's the end of his Liverpool Career. Personally I think he definitely has the most potential out of the three.

Is it true that he played for Wales recently? And if so why is it that whenever we play I see his name out from a back injury? What's going on eds and breds?

{Ed002's Note - Ward is not injured.}

07 Dec 2017 12:27:13
He has caused problems behind the scenes.

07 Dec 2017 12:27:37
Is he attending training then? Doesn't sound good to me. Can see him being shipped in January if this is the case which I will be disappointed with as I think he could play at the top level.

07 Dec 2017 20:32:00
Jah, calm down, man. I know Klopp has mismanaged the GK issue and should have let ward go play elsewhere cos clearly, he does not fancy him BUT your post is way OTT, mate.

08 Dec 2017 14:20:10
Sometimes it seems the key to being considered a top player on this site is not playing.

07 Dec 2017 10:50:02
Just to answer anybody's questions about why Mignolet and Coutinho have been captains this season.

Klopp has a captain (Henderson) and a vice captain (Milner) . After that, he will give the armband to whoever is the longest serving player on the day. It's just a belief of his. There are no hidden messages. Coutinho still wants to leave, and Klopp still intends to phase Mignolet out.

07 Dec 2017 11:31:32
Very insightful post MK.

07 Dec 2017 12:13:35
giving Couts the Captains role last night could be planting a seed, Couts might just be feeling what an honour it was, then he goes on to score a hat trick and man of the match,
could be a game changer .

{Ed002's Note - Don't be ridiculous.}

07 Dec 2017 13:08:54
If anything, Coutinho’s performances would bring more scouts to Anfield.

07 Dec 2017 13:11:07
copy someone comment in the other post. lol.

07 Dec 2017 17:50:33
Thanks for the information really appreciated.

07 Dec 2017 20:39:03
That was pretty clear, MK.

07 Dec 2017 10:30:54
Is our defence really that bad?

If you discount the two games that we've got an absolute pasting (City and Spurs) we have only conceded 10 goals in 13 other league matches.

That's not a bad record at all.

Added to that we've had 5 clean sheets out of 15 games, also not a bad record.

The games against City and Spurs were anomalies in our season. City we lost a man early on and our heads dropped, Spurs were just on fire and we missed a couple of chances. The final score was irrelevant, merely that fact that we lost.

If we had lost both games 1-0 we would have the 3rd best defensive record in the league.

We all know we need a bit more solidity in Defence but when you look at the stats it shows we aren't that far away from have a very solid team.

To me it shows we need a leader not simply a good defender. A leader would have prevented Sevilla getting 3 goals back, a leader would have locked up our defence after we scored away against Newcastle, a leader could have rallied the team at Burnley and turned a draw into a victory, a leader would've prevented the Watford comeback first game of the season.

Anyway, hopefully a bit of positivity on a Thursday morning hopefully.

Have a great day all.

07 Dec 2017 10:44:30
I think a lot of people's issues has been first the timing of many of those goals (totally unnecessary, against the run of play when we were in total control) and on several occasions, how shocking easy it has been to score some of them with barely a challenge attempted or the simplest of flicks sending our defenders to the North Pole. But the last 5 games have definitely been a massive improvement.

07 Dec 2017 11:03:05
Unfortunately we possess defenders who are error prone so at any moment they can be liable to complete lapses which usually cost us goals. That while not ideal you can deal with if it's not weekly.
What has been improved but still not great at all is defending set pieces there is really no excuse for some of the individual and team errors while defending set pieces.

Finally we have a keeper and that's all I'll say there.

07 Dec 2017 11:06:33
Apologies meant to add re leader I do think that is key as this would hopefully solve some of the set piece problems if you have an organizer. Also when a mistake occurs keeping the team steady for the following 5-10 minutes and re gain a footing which we have also been poor at.

07 Dec 2017 11:28:00
agree with Shane, replace leader with organizer and i think the OP is spot on.

07 Dec 2017 12:19:41
good post RedDawn, you can also add the Chelsea game to that list, a bit of a tweak, and we could have beaten a very good top four team .

07 Dec 2017 14:34:14
I still think a top goal keeper would sort out most of our issues at the back. keeping is not merely shot stopping. It organising and positioning. What a good keeper will do is communicate with his defence to prevent the save needing to be made.
Unfortunately neither of our 2 possess this. it reminds me of the day of calamity James in goals.

07 Dec 2017 20:48:05
Spot on, Shane and the OP. Redphil, that is the prob, is it not? People keep saying that we need to bring in a top GK. Brilliant, I agree. Who would it be? Courtois, Lloris, Oblak, DDG? Who? These guys are all taken and their clubs won't sell cos they know how hard top GK's are to come by. Would you sell if you were them. Bottom line is that since we can't get a top GK (Hart and Butland are no better than Karius, I'm sorry), you are better off creating your own like the teams who have them now, did when they got them as unproven in the PL.

We have Karius who IMO, the manager believes in, a very talented GK who makes very little mistakes overall and has the skill set the manager wants to play in his system, same with that of Ederson at City. The only thing he lacks is experience and a good defence in front of him to protect him while he learns the ropes. He brings more calm and stability to the defence when he has played this season and has committed one error in the 7 games he's played in overall.

I say, build him up, give him a shot as the starter long term and put in a system to protect him while he finds his feet at this level. Mistakes will happen BUT you have to stick with it cos like it or not, NONE of those top GK's will be coming here anytime soon.

07 Dec 2017 09:57:38
Which volley was better;

Salah vs Stoke?

Mane vs Spartak?

Very similar goals but i think Mane's edges it for me as the delivery was much harder to control forcing him to readjust his body to get over the ball.

Both stunning goals though. Who doesn't love and absolute cannon on the full volley!

07 Dec 2017 10:13:51
I think Klopp's new pearly whites stole the show.

07 Dec 2017 10:32:25
Mane's volley looked better for the reasons you stated MK.

07 Dec 2017 12:06:41
I’d go Mane, he changed his technique at the last second to side foot it in, brilliant.

07 Dec 2017 12:23:20
I am going for the Salah V Stoke volley, as it came in a tougher moment in the game .

07 Dec 2017 09:03:10
What a pleasure it is to be a Liverpool fan at the moment, the intricate passing and movement is so great to watch. The intelligent pass from Firmino for the 2nd was a real highlight for me, good decision making in the final 3rd seems so rare at any level, I would suggest it’s unlikely Coutinho would have made that run if he was playing with a more selfish striker. can’t wait til Sunday!

07 Dec 2017 08:15:23
On a side note, good win for u19's too, Woodburn, Camacho, Adam Lewis, Jones, Brewster all looking very useful.

07 Dec 2017 08:07:26
Question for ed001, when we play like we did last night do we force defences into errors or is it fear that they make the errors.

i can't tell if its us cuasing that or if they cause it themselves.

thanks.

{Ed001's Note - both. We forced some of the errors, some they made themselves because they expected to be closed down so rushed their passes.}

07 Dec 2017 08:34:48
Mane won the ball back for 2 of our goals.

07 Dec 2017 08:58:14
thanks for the quick reply ed.

I no our defence get a lot of critisism and a lot of the time rightly so, but there are so few top quality defenders around now a days that with our attack we could be competative in both the prem and cl. With every new generation there seems to be an obsession with being a new way of playing and im not sure its for the better this time. Most fullbacks are no longer full backs but second wingers, and most centre backs are now just deep lying playmakers.

countless times i see cb's look surprised that a ball is played in behind and there is no one there, like it wasnt there job to be there and defend that. Its like the old motto for the back 4 was defend 1st support the attack if you can, the new motto is attack 1st defend if you can.

{Ed001's Note - it worries me too mate, people have forgotten that there are more ways to win than having the ball. You can defend by actually defending, rather than keeping the ball. It is about time people took a more balanced approach.}

07 Dec 2017 07:57:57
Leave it to Roy Keane to turn the entire media's approach on us winning 7-0 against the current Russian Champions into something negative 😑

Spartak are just a poor side apparently. Oh but when City put 5 past Watford, they're the best team in Europe 🙄

I said last night people still weren't taking us seriously and this just proves my point really. Never mind though, it'll just be a nasty shock when we go to the Emirates in a couple of weeks and turn Arsenals unbeaten home run into a fine paste 😂.

07 Dec 2017 08:05:09
MK, don't worry. I stopped listening to pundits who have a hard-on for certain teams they comment on cos their deep hatred for such teams will ALWAYS show.

07 Dec 2017 08:49:41
MK, I believe every pundit including Keane sees our attack as breathtaking but to be really considered a great side we need more than just that awesome attack.
I think it’s more to do with the calamitous keeper we have in Mignolet and a defense very close to lower table standard in the league. I think you said yesterday that Swansea or someone very close to bottom have conceded less than us. It’s up to Klopp again to finally fix that defense, if he does then I believe we will be a great team and will challenge for the title and CL.

07 Dec 2017 09:06:02
Not that bothered about Keane comments. Hopefully, it will allow us to just quietly go about our business for a few more weeks.

07 Dec 2017 08:56:34
MK Arsenal don't have a home u beaten run!

07 Dec 2017 09:54:26
You are correct mate. I forgot that Manchester United fluked a victory there thanks to De Gea, but i want us to turn their apparent strong form at home into dust Laddie Bunton!

07 Dec 2017 10:02:59
Keane was an absolute magnificent player and one of the best captains ever- he grew up to be a dreadful manager and woeful pundit. Pay little heed to him.

07 Dec 2017 10:15:08
Put him in the same category as Garth Crooks another one who has a high opinion of himself.

07 Dec 2017 10:25:46
Let people moan, we can go under the radar for me, people have this idea we can't win anything as we're not good enough at the back,
Im saying no matter how good you are at the back we'll get at you with goals, and we're not half as bad at the back as people make out anyway and we seem to be learning from our mistakes all the time, everyone sees 7-0 and assumes the other team are rubbish and don't stop to consider how good we are,
There is zero need for any moaning lately if you ask me and if we do bring in a cb and at some point a top keeper then it can only strengthen what we already have.
In my eyes we seem to be getting a touch more tactically astute against different teams too, a good squad gives you that.
YNWA.

07 Dec 2017 02:13:08
You know it’s a brilliant game when you can’t even pick a favourite from the goals scored! Probably the 2nd goal edges it although mane’s finish from milner’s cross was great as well.

07 Dec 2017 03:07:04
Totally agree Azk. My pick was the 2nd. Firmino's ball to Coutinho was just so intelligent. I love seeing stuff like that - to pick that pass, in that moment, was clever.

07 Dec 2017 04:20:13
Yup definitely, bobby is just class. Most forwards would just look to bang it in. What’s more impressive is his immediate awareness of where Couts was going to be. I watched the highlights again and it was just a split second for him to spot the run and make the pass.

07 Dec 2017 08:17:31
Spot on, OP. There was every type of goal in that 7 goal haul. Team goal, individual brilliance, fluid movement, the lot.

07 Dec 2017 09:12:51
I just can't resist a good volley, love them.

07 Dec 2017 01:53:02
Philippe Coutinho. I am a fan ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️.

{Ed0333's Note - The security as we speak has just been upgraded in the Coutinho residence.

07 Dec 2017 08:19:39
His total disrespect to us the fans, his team mates, the staff and the people who pay his wages obviously means nothing to you Harry. You held Suarez in the same regard if memory serves me right even with the way he acted while here. You seem to be a far bigger fan of the players (well some) then the club, players don't make the club we make the players!
This club used to stand for something which is lost on the modern fan.

I'm not to pleased with klopp for giving him the armband either, for me the sooner we get coutinho off the where ever the better.

07 Dec 2017 00:36:12
I was supposed to be there but had to cancel because my wife is ill.
What a performance.
Yes Spartak we're awful but every time this season we've trounced a team I've thought "we won won but they were awful". It can't be a coincidence. We destroy Southampton, then they destroy Everton next game. We are making teams look awful.
Who knows where we'd be in the league if Mane hadn't been sent off against City.
Imagine if we had Hyppia! We'd be walking everything.
Great performance and roll on Sunday!

{Ed0333's Note - Hope your wife feels better mate

07 Dec 2017 01:17:26
Liverpool made them look awful. We don't just pounce on mistakes, we force them from our opposition. Spartak are not a poor team, they have some real talent there but our fab four are too good, better to watch than city a lot of the time. I was impressed with klavan again and really impressed with alberto. He cried at being substituted and that has endeared him to myself, good lad, love his desire and commitment. I swear I thought I saw Emre Can thinking, after the 7th, I could be making a huge mistake walking away from this group.

I thought Gini was fantastic, without Hendo, he stitched the play up nicely with Emre but he has that ability to keep the ball under pressure and find the right pass too. Great player. I'd like to see gomes in that cb role more often, why not? .

People can't keep saying that we only won 7 0 because the opposition were kak, it's the second team we have done it to in the UCL, the elite tournament in the world really. We are doing everyone with big scores, we have to because these days at 3 0 it feels like 1 0 and we could cave at any moment. Defence were class tonight though, Klavan does seem to be growing as a player, finding a bit of confidence and form at the right time, well played.

one very happy red.

07 Dec 2017 08:31:39
Superred, I like your assessment esp. of the defence cos Klavan like it or not, is getting it done at CB. He is not a world beater and none asks him to be. He is physical, committed and strong in the challenge. The whole back 5 were solid last night and that can only bode well for their confidence.

Also, we simply can't win with some people. We tonk a team in a high pressure game 7-0, they say we only beat them cos they are poor which is patently false cos Spartak are Russian champs. and stomped on Sevilla 5-1. We don't beat them and they say we are crap. Can't lie with 'em, can't live w/ o 'em. On to Everton.