Liverpool Banter Archive December 07 2014

 

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07 Dec 2014 20:29:35
Evenin all,
Please can someone explain why Suso is not playing? Whenever he is on the pitch he looks a top player, so it defies logic to leave him out when the rest are playing so bad. I would have him ahead of Sterling etc any day.
He isn't out on loan is he?

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{Ed002's Note - Injured and looking for a new club.}

Better than Sterling? Keep taking the tablets, mate.

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08 Dec 2014 05:48:18
Iranred

Mate could we all come down to planet earth from planet Sterling?
He has scored only once and is not Ronaldo or Hazzard yet.

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08 Dec 2014 07:41:48
IranRed - Sterling is overrated, although does have great potential. He loses the ball too often, never stays on his feet and his shot is not great.
He may look better than the others at getting forward, but only because the others don't bother. I wish he really was as good as you think he is, but be honest with yourself mate! If Madrid offered us serious wedge for him I would rip their arm off and buy a goalscorer. Ballotelli was actually potentially an amazing signing, but unfortunately a lost gamble.

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07 Dec 2014 23:14:25
What a performance by Kasper Smechiel, on that display I'd take him in a heartbeat.

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08 Dec 2014 09:12:08
What about on his performance vs us last week? Lots of Leicester fans are very unhappy with him atm, for a lot of the same reasons we're unhappy with Mingolet

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07 Dec 2014 22:04:22
I feel for your club at the moment it's not fair on yourselves to be where you are in the league. Last season all West Ham supporters wanted was Sam out and I was one of them and now look at at us we're exceeding all expectations.

Maybe Rogers needs a rocket up his arse like Big Sam in the summer. I think you should stick with Rogers but give him some major stipulations on how you and play and who you sign. All I'm saying is I doubt anyone wanted Rogers out last season and you might be better giving him time to sort the team out rather than starting all over again with a new manager because there's no guarantee that will work.

Keep the faith LFC because football swings in roundabouts and you will get back to where you you belong one day and hopefully West Ham will be up there with you.

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West Ham are not exactly Brazil yet mate. Sam is a good manager and wait after a few bad result and everyone will be calling for his head.
Rodgers was made to look better than he is by Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling being on form. He might be out of his depth; his naivity cost us the title last year, his transfers are a joke and for spending 130M+ for (?) should be relieved, KK to take over until Rafa is put in charge in the summer.
Otherwise, it will be the end But I do think FSG know what they're doing and I'd be very very surprised in BR is still in charge next year.

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07 Dec 2014 23:43:02
Well said Chris but we are not that far from top 4 mate. remember in season 85/86 we were both going for the league remember you scoring loads a goals mcavennie Paul Goddard scoring great goals matches on the big match on Sunday bk then everybody not getting ripped off the good oul days.

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Chris, I applaud the current season you`re having at the moment BUT calm down because our expectations are not on par with yours. If you finish 8th this year, Big Sam is a genius and gets an extension. If we finish even 5th, BR is getting the sack, major changes and heads are rolling. Not in the same league, I`m afraid. BR knew what the deal was and knew he would have to deliver on the promises he made to the owners for them to release the funds he had at his disposal. He has failed and in his position and w/ the expectations of a club where the standards will NEVER be lowered to suit anybody including KK, Rafa or whoever along w/ the money spent, the penalty for failure is the sack. Sticking w/ him is only making things worse and prolonging the inevitable.

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09 Dec 2014 05:48:06
I am in no way a Rodgers fan boy, check my previous posts if you want, but it pisses me off when people say Rodgers lost us the title, explain your points instead of just stating them, you sound like a puppet.

And you my friend are not one to talk about naivety if your tiny little mind thinks King Kenny will ever manage Liverpool again.

And Rodgers was not made to look good by sterling, sturridge and suarez - it certainly helped, but it was all about the high pressing style of play we used, of course i don't expect you to understand as you probably think formations are the be all and end all of football tactics.

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07 dec 2014 21:28:17
eds,
through the search engine i see that you believe rogers will be here till the end of the season, i could wax lyrical about how disgraceful the man is, no improvement in defense in 3 years ( 3 years to u br lovers, 3 goddamn years ans we are still one of the worst defences in the premier league).
8 months to find a replacement for suarez etc etc etc.
my point is how low do you think he will drag one of the great football clubs of england before the summer of 2015?
i think if he stays we will be the next leeds utd.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will end up fighting for the lower European places as I stated at the beginning of the season, but I do not expect Rodgers to be there for the start of next season.}

THis seson looks dead for top 4 not because we`re toofar away (which were not). It`s more because we might b stuck w/ a manager who seems to have lost it completely and more because there are too many teams to overtake at the moment. Either way, we are screwed.

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Fighting for European places, you've been watching a different Liverpool team to me ed! We couldn't fight our way out of a paper bag much less fight for a place at the top table at the moment!

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08 Dec 2014 13:15:59
To get top 4 you need to have more than 1 shot at sunderlands goal in the first hour at anfield this is crap if we're struggling to keep clean sheets then we do that but couldn't score in a brothel is the result brutal.

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07 Dec 2014 21:28:26
The worse thing about Rogers is his stubborness and lack of trust in players that deserve a honest chance like borini should have been brough on at Sunderland his club last year players have a habbit of scoring against old teams
Don't even getme started on siso like playing lucas done

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Borini wasnt on the bench (injured? I don`t know) for the game BUT you are right. He buys players he says he wants then doesn`t play them at all and at the same time, asks for more money for more players. Some of the players he buys are not even better than the ones we have in the squad or the academy which makes him look either mentally deranged or completely clueless. Complete madness!

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08 Dec 2014 05:43:34
We signed 9 players in the summer and this page was jumping and beeping and praising BR.
I am sure you weren't the one.

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Ill hold my hands up I was a excited school child but I did think to many players were bad and we never got a DM or top striker

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08 Dec 2014 07:04:21
Dezy

Not to offend anyone here mate, but there were only few who thought we ain't doing the right business.
But with the amount of abuse you take, they kept quiet.

I am never a fan of this goals would come from attackers and midfielders.

If so, Y Arenal is struggling? From Ozil to Carroll, they have the best artist out there.
Lambert + borini + Balletolli for Suarez is simply stupid.

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07 Dec 2014 18:49:50
Would anyone want to take a chance on forgotten men like michu for example remember him anyone he was a class act now wasting away in Italy or even benteke just of the top of my head
Anyone else have a forgotten player who we taught was going to be world class

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Is it possible the players are dropping the shoulder on Rogers to get rid of him as in Manu players and moyes, can't be possible to play that badly for that long, a lot of stuff floating around about trouble between Rogers and gerrard, us lot probably don't know the half of it but seems none of the signings have worked and players bought that weren't needed and the players needed weren't bought, defence was bad for a long time and hadn't been addressed, outlook is pretty grim

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I wish we could forget about Balotelli.
Sometimes i wake up in the night shouting no! no! But then i remember. He is indeed a Liverpool player. Shucks. Who did that anyway. Oh yea, Brendan.

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I wish we could forget about Balotelli.
Sometimes i wake up in the night shouting no! no! But then i remember. He is indeed a Liverpool player. Shucks. Who did that anyway. Oh yea, Brendan.

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Its not all his fault. One, he didn`t buy himself and if the manager didn`t want him, he should have put his foot down which he didn`t. Two, he is playing in a system that doesn`t suit him with a manager who conveniently plays him there then blames his arrival to hide his own inadequacies. It`s not all his fault.

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08 Dec 2014 05:46:50
Can't believe, it's all Balletolli the reason for our slump.
The last I saw he wasn't playing and we looked utter poor without him.
Is Balletolli the reason we concede goals?

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08 Dec 2014 05:51:48
Red

Mate for the love of GOD, which system do you think he was playing at Milan?
It was a 4-3-3 with el sharawaay on the left hand side.

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Won't take michu but one of Mario Gomez or Llorente would do well I feel if we are going be playing with the target man long term.

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Passion pride LFC thank you for seeing things as they are. Most people here would blame Balotelli for Gerrard's slip last season.

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07 Dec 2014 17:52:07
Eds reds would benteke be an ption in january? Very good player in a poor team, surrounded by lesser players?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

Balotelli, Lambert and Benteke. No thanks. We only need one player of that breed and for me Lambert is the best of the three.

Red Rum

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07 Dec 2014 21:10:54
Red
I am sorry but lambert better than Benteke?
On what grounds mate?

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Best of the three at what? Scoring? Chasing doen keeper? Chasing down defenders? Holding the ball up?

What does he do, no disrespect to Ricky but there is not one club in the top 6 or 7 in the premier league who would have bought him, that's the problem guys, we don't buy well, EVER (not even Sturridge, he's made of glass).

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Wrong agument to make, lads. Lambo was bought as a back up and NOT a starter so comparing him w/ Benteke and the others is a false argument and IMO, not worth the trouble.

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On the grounds that he is a team player who has the ability to pick a pass and score goals. He proved that at Southampton. However, I'm not saying he should be first choice striker at a club like Liverpool. At best he would be my third choice. Would I have bought him though, no, but since he is here, his role should be stepping in for domestic cup games and coming on as a sub in league games to give our first/second choice strikers a rest. A club like Liverpool should never have a striker such as Lambert, Balotelli or Benteke as first or second choice strikers.

Look at how we won games last season. We had 2 pacey strikers who were constantly on the move, interchanging, and giving opposition defenders a hard time. We need to find another striker who has similar attributes to Suarez and Sturridge so we can continue to play the style that brought us success last season.

For me Lacazette is one that we should look at. He could play along side Sturridge in the 442 diamond or lead the line if Sturridge is injured.

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07 Dec 2014 15:56:22
Rodgers once said that if plan A didn't work he'd change plan A as there was no plan B. This has been evident this season, if he wants to carry on with his one system that every team now knows how to counter maybe he should play sterling up front with markovic both have pace and a trick in the locker.

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I don't think Sterling is comfortable as a striker his best games have come when he as been the furthest forward of a diamond midfield. I would give Markovic a game on Tuesday though.

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I don't see a "Plan A" or "Plan B".

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07 Dec 2014 17:27:27
There is no Plan B.

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"I see no ships!"

Horatio Nelson

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Plan b is sturridge

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Plan B is to keep playing like Plan A.

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And we still persist wishing, hoping, wanting, and all along BR ruins more and more players, shame on you Brendan Rogers, Shame on you.

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Plan B is to keep playing like Plan A.

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And we still persist wishing, hoping, wanting, and all along BR ruins more and more players, shame on you Brendan Rogers, Shame on you.

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There is NO plan, simple!

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"plan B or no plan B that is the question"
William Shakespeare

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07 Dec 2014 15:43:03
Surely we have approached Klopp as an option to take over from Rodgers Eds?

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{Ed002's Note - No, that would be illegal.}

Well then approached Dortmund? Surely?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

Can we send him a postcard?

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07 Dec 2014 15:01:39
Can we have Big Sams scouts please. They are more entertaining to watch than us without Suarez and Sturridge.

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And they do it with two ex Liverpool guys. And Crouchy doesn't do so bad either recently. Maybe we get rid too quickly of some of our players?

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Crouch wanted to go, remember we had a vibrant Torres then, which I was disappointed with at the time. Would have loved him to stay. Great feet, better than his heading, and virtually never lost the ball.

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It is common knowledge that Big Sam had been facing the sack for a few yrs now because his team was dire to watch according to WHU fans. He changed things and brought in more players w/ flair. Our manager`s still groping in the dark, looking for someone else to blame for his failings. He is running out of people to blame and could soon find out the hard way, if he already hasn`t.

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07 Dec 2014 14:43:09
Hopefully FSG block any thoughts of selling Sakho in the January transfer window. Johnson will rightfully leave at the end of the season and Skrtel will also consider his option as FSG will not be interested in offering him a new lucrative contract especially when he is one of Rodgers favourites. I would give Toure another season as he is really valuable to us and still quicker than Skrtel.

The one thing we do need is a dominant central midfielder for the holding role. If it were up to me i would stick Can there otherwise sign someone like Lars bender.

So many things need sorted out but the first thing is the managerial position. Hopefully FSG make the right choices this time round.

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Max1981, what really worries me the most about Brendan staying put for the entire season is how much Sakho. Lucas and Suso can actually put up with him. Even if Brendan is shown the door in the summer, they may have already made up their minds to leave. I would keep Toure till L. Jones is ready for the first team whilst bringing Ilori back from loan, and selling Skrtel. Sakho and Lovren as first choice CBs with Ilori and Toure as cover for next season sounds about right. For midfield, Schneiderlin would be great for CDM to compete with Lucas, Bender is too injury prone. Can, Hendo and Rossiter should be our box to box midfielders and Coutinho and Gerrard at CAM. Allen should leave to make way for Rossiter. I just hope our midfield and defense looks something like that next season.

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07 Dec 2014 17:24:44
Indian

I am sorry mate, But what has Lovern done so far or How is he better than Agger?
Lovern lacks pace and get beaten by any top class attackers and strikers.

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07 Dec 2014 17:29:01
Indian

Could you tell me what does Henderson add to the team that Allen doesnt?
Is Henderson a CM?. Absolutely NO.
Allen on the other hand could control the midfield and alos could carry the ball well and good.

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{Ed001's Note - pace and mobility is something Hendo adds that Allen doesn't.}

Seriously you'd probably pick Allen over Henderson? He's weak, poor in the tackle and offers nothing going forward and doesn't have anywhere near the athleticism Henderson has. Plus he only ever passed 5 yards backwards and sideways.

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I personally wouldn't pick either of them.

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07 Dec 2014 13:35:43
Ed1 I saw you say other teams were interested in Kelly? Just wondering who they were

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{Ed001's Note - Villa, West Ham and Spurs showed interest in the summer.}

We should have kept Kelly instead of signing Manquillo who will most likely go back to A Madrid.

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07 Dec 2014 18:49:03
Both Kelly and Agger were victims of poor management and Injuries. I still don't get What does Lovern add that Agger couldn't.

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I know what lovern gives more than dagger .goals conceded .its up by 40% already great management there then, bit like sell 30 goals a season and sign three midfielders that fine 10 goals a season from each of them problem solved true.but it would help if they came of the bench this season .summary BR is a stuburn knob who de severs what coming to him .

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Still gutted we let kelly go, always thought he was a tidy little player.

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Another mistake to add to all the others, who is going to pay for these ridiculous decisions? more than just BR surely.

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07 Dec 2014 13:43:44
Tell you what, if, as is being suggested, we get rid of Rodgers and bring in AVB, I think we may well be creating more problems for ourselves in trying to get solve the existing ones.

Sure, I know Dortmund are having a poor season, but if Klopp's interested, go out and get him, who knows he might even be able to entice Reus, Hummels or Gundognan to join him. But could we please not get Andre Villas-Boas in

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{Ed002's Note - Why would Klopp be interested?}

He said IF Klopp is interested

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{Ed002's Note - So brain death, why would Klopp be interested? Idiot.}

If AVB is the choice, then better stick w/ BR or get Klopp or De Boer because AVB is an imposter who thinks he`s a genius because he speaks well and carries folders and clipboards all over the place. He`s a proven failure in the PL and we can defo do better.

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{Ed002's Note - There were times on this page when the Liverpool fans craved for AVB.}

07 Dec 2014 14:20:44
That's not fair Ed. A lot of clubs were trying to get him at one point. When he was at Porto he had a lot of interest and Chelsea payed a small fortune to get him. However, times change and he has had his problems since then with Chelsea and Spurs and he was sacked both times.

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Ed why wouldn't he be interested we seem to give a decent backing to outlr managers king kenny and Rogers just wasted it

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{Ed002's Note - He has much better options for when he does eventually leave - which won't be anytime soon. You need to move on from all of the fantasy league stuff and get back to reality.}

Now now Ed you can't win every game ;)

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08 Dec 2014 06:26:54
Ed002, there's a reason more qualified people than fans make coaching decisions because if it was up to the fans, we would still have Rafa in charge with Rush, Fowler and Grobelaar as assistants

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07 Dec 2014 13:13:18
Rodgers shooting his mouth off again about Ballotelli. Saying he was only bought as there was no other option. Why can't he just say nothing, what possible benefit is there saying that. If he thinks that defends his purchase of the player he is naive, all it proves is that the club weren't prepared for the inevitable departure of Suarez

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We would defo make more progress if we could somehow, ban him fro speaking to the press because he is God aweful with the press.

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What an personic move. does he even think before he speaks?

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I have to say in BR's defence (something I don't do very often) that it is relatively well known that his number 1 target was Bony and the owners refused to pay the required fee for him and preferred to go for Baloteli (a move that at the time a lot of us including myself though was the right one). Yes, you can argue that a different manager would stand his ground with the owners and insist on Bony rather than Baloteli or even resign over this (I think it was 3-4 extra millions for Bony), but at least in terms of his basic instinct on this one he was right.

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I don't that I'd say it's accurate that 'the owners' wanted Balotelli. My impression is they don't really care about the names per se nor do they pick the targets, nor should they.

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RDL, I agree they don't care too much for names, they mainly don't, (or didn't anyway) want to pay too much for players. Appernatly people in the club thought that Bony isn't worth 20M and that Baloteli for 14M or whatever much he was bought for was a bargain (which, to be fair, a lot of people thought when it happened).

By the way, I just recall, thinking about all this, all the compliments that Ian Ayre recevied here from all of us towards the end of the summer. We all thought he nailed it big time with our signings.

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Irrespective of what went on behind closed doors it helps no one - not Balotelli, not Rodgers, not the board, not the other players - when Rodgers comes out and makes such statements. Saying Balotelli wasn't his first choice or wasn't who he wanted is supposed to help who? It sounds like an excuse for his own failures and nothing else - its bad management.

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07 Dec 2014 16:35:06
Seriously? Nobody could've honestly thought selling Suarez and buying this lot was going to be positive. Not one world class player with £100m after selling the best striker in the world is criminal !
The owners need to sack everyone who is concerned with transfers, they're running the club into the ground and wasting the owners money that they're pumping in. Ian Ayre, Brendan, and everyone else on this transfer committee needs to go. This transfer window,, literally Throwing hundreds of millions away ! Should've had a squad battling on all fronts by now with the money spent

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07 Dec 2014 17:26:56
Dbol

Wrong mate, There were quiet a lot of people who were extremely happy and proud by the way we were splashing cash for some players. None are seen now.

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We will get the best out of Balotelli when Sturridge returns
He won't and can't do it on his own upfront and we should judge him at end of season
There's so many on here who say give such and such player a chance, he's young and will get better eg: Borini
So why not give Balotelli a chance too?

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{Ed001's Note - because Balotelli has shown what he can do at a number of clubs and it is simply not good enough. Idiotic buy and it should be fixed in January, not waiting in the hope of him coming good.}

Balotelli has been. Is and always will be a terrible purchase. If i was BR I'd make it clear I didn't want him if I was forced to work with such a pleb. It would be nice to have a list of who BR wanted and who the committee wanted.

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Watching Rogers in a press conference is like watching an episode of The Office, and just as cringeworthy. Stop it, Brendan, just stop it.

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IA got plaudits for the transfer dealings this summer so enuff of the hindsight 20/20 BS. The players we bought we good in their former clubs yet when they come here, they look lost and suddenly can`t play. This is where coaching and man-management is important. BR brought in players to play a system that doesn`t suit them. Who`s fault is that? Owners? IA? NO, BR and only BR. If he didn`t want Balo, he should have stood his ground or quit which Pulis did at CP when he was being controlled in terms of transfers and kept his dignity. BR didn`t do that YET took all the credit fo Balo`s perf when we played Spurs (only game he played well in) BUT is quick to trash him in public just to save his skin and his job (the latter is a done deal). BR`s a politician and will b put out of his misery sooner or later.

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07 Dec 2014 13:04:49
Hi Ed's
Would BR be regretting not signing Bojan Krkic instead of Balotelli or even Markovic?

He is improving game by game and his performance against Liverpool and Arsenal have been good.

About last game against Sunderland, for 1st 45 mins I felt we didn't want to score or rather the team was playing as if they had scored 2 or 3 goals. There was no hunger and end product. At times we had 2 players standing next to each other for the ball and at times non in the penalty box.
Lucas had been great and hope he plays against Basel.

Really hope we qualify for last 16 on Tuesday.

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{Ed001's Note - he might well regret it, but I am not sure that is the problem. He is not a player who could have played the role Balotelli was asked to, nor the one Markovic plays, so I fail to see any comparison at all.}

If we had no interest in Bojan, don`t see the point in regretting what U weren`t interested in to begin with.

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07 Dec 2014 14:45:28
Is this the same Bojan that has done nothing of note since he first broke through? I don't recall anyone mentioning him prior to the season. The same Bojan that failed at Roma? The same Bojan that no other big club wanted so he ended up at Stoke? That guy?

Markovic is talented he just needs a goal or a good run in the side to give him some confidence which he is quite obviously lacking.

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Markovic also needs a bit of support from the stands instead of being barracked for every single mistake he makes.

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Big E, that would be the same Bojan who has done NOTHING of note since he got sold by Barca 3 yrs ago. Yet if we were in for him in the summer, many on here would have trashed the club for a complete lack of ambition.

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07 Dec 2014 13:03:50
Hi lads, quick question for you as were nearing the half way mark of the season.

City and Chelsea are obviously in a race between themselves for 1st and 2nd, and although Arsenal have frailties, they will probably gather enough points for top 4 again, in my opinion.

That leave me two who will take the final CL place, and in my eyes it's only between us(united) and you lot, despite both out poor starts to the season.

We have been riddled with injury this season, and as such haven't been able to keep a consistant team and back 4, but I feel as we start to get players back and the new lads settle we will see improvement. I already see a big difference to last season, and I'm sure well spend again in the window. For me in De Gea we have the best keeper in the league and with players like Rooney, Mata, rvp, Di Maria and Falcao will always be a threat. Plus young James Wilson will be a star.

I'm not going to assess your squad as your capable of that.

So my question is, as I know most of you would of been confident of at least top 4 this season having spent £100m+ after finishing second, who do you think will take the last CL place? Maybe you don't think united will. Just curious to see everyones thoughts on the top 4 as for me this year financially it's vital for our clubs.

Cheers lads

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07 Dec 2014 22:00:10
If I'm honest, if BR stays, I don't see us making top 4 at this rate. I hope otherwise, but the guy's rotation skills are abysmal and his team selections have been baffling all season. I think it will be Arsenal, United, City, and Chelsea, from 4-1, although I hope I'm wrong.

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07 Dec 2014 12:56:33
Brilliant arrival on the lfc website basically 10 kids who never made it but looked like they should. It shows that between the age of 15-17 you have to be the best player in the oldest age group available and you have to be playing first team football at 18 on loan or in our side. They have to be fully fit for ALL of the crutial time between 17/20 because that's when you have to have knocked down the door by. But the most obvious thing to come from it is none of the top 10 made it they all failed. Not one of them that didn't make it here made it anywhere else at a decent level even though some of them looked like the next gerrard and henry. Even the ones that the author would've bet everything he owned on. All the curcumstances have to be perfect is what I believe this shows, no injurys, perfect physical development, the perfect loan or playing in our 1st team at the youngest possible age. If it's not perfect they end up in Scotland or league 2.

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The article itself wasn't too bad, but the title was very disrespectful in my opinion. "Almost Famous: 10 of the most promising Academy players who never made it at LFC"- they couldn't have just said something like 'where are they now' or something less disparaging?

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07 Dec 2014 12:42:19
somthing needs to change quickly because although we have picked up 7 of the last 9 points available they have been against struggling sides and we've been less than impressive. I'm sure it's not lost on Brendan that if we were to lose at man unt and at home to arsenal we would be on 21 points through 17 games and about 10 points behind 4th spot.

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Do you really think we are good enough to beat Arsenal and Man Utd.? i know we are a little better but really? i said last season that BR does not know his best 11 and all the players he has bought since has only confused him more, we may scrape a draw, and if we do win then the Gods will have smiled on us, i hope they do.

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07 Dec 2014 12:22:52
Hi Eds, which players are the club looking to move on in January or in the summer? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - The summer is a long way off. The manager has said that Liverpool will not be buying any players in January, but that is likely him making a fool of himself again. I expect Liverpool to look for a goalkeeper to sign a pre-contract for the summer - as I have explained.}

07 Dec 2014 17:18:12
from the search bar, just to confirm, they're looking at neto right Ed002?

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{Ed002's Note - The club has certainly shown interest in several goalkeepers who are out of contract or who will be out of contract in the summer - such as Neto.}

07 Dec 2014 12:17:03
Eds, who do you expect are the strongest candidates to replace Brendan Rodgers? Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - as I have mentioned before De Boer seems most likely, I just fear the involvement of Jurgen Klinsmann, as he is nothing but trouble and is not a good coach either.}

Klinsmann has his supporters because of his time with the German National team.

Certainly I am not sure about him.

I am still a fan of Rafa.

If De Boer is anything like Koemann? I hope he is the preferred candidate.

The main problem is now until the end of the season. Who can fill in this period?

As Rodgers must go ASAP. With Basle and Man U coming up, things may well go from bad to worse?

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Any truth that FSG are looking at AVB to replace Rodgers?

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{Ed002's Note - The owners are taking advice and will be considering their options taking account of a much bigger picture. I have explained repeatedly about this.}

FFS get over Benitez. He is not coming back. Why have false hope. We do not need to look back. We need to move forward.

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Rafa? NOPE! Klinsman? HELL NOPE! AVB well, the less said, the better.

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07 Dec 2014 15:41:53
Klinsman is not liked by many many high ups in American football here in the states. That includes most of the Olympic development directors.

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I hope we give Rodgers until the end of the season at least yee have little faith

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Klinsman is just like BR. He talks a lot of crap BUT has pretty uch no CV to back it up (and don`t tell me about the WC in Germany because Loew was the rumored tactical brain behind that team and who`s system has reaped it`s fruits this summer). He failed at Bayern and as for the U.S team, he`s a one-eyed king in the land of the blind. Klinsman should be left alone here in the U.S where he can feed his garbage to those who don`t know any better.

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That ight happen ONLY because there isn`t a ready replacement at the moment. because if the Eds are to b believed, he is on borrowed time.

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07 Dec 2014 12:13:10
Ed001 do you think origi will be ready next season to be a started for lfc??

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{Ed001's Note - no, but then he shouldn't need to be any more than a rotation option, along with players such as Ibe, maybe even Ojo and Sinclair and Yesil can step up a bit too.}

Considering the coach would have the cojones to play them as Pellegrini had the courage to play an 18-yr old Pozo in a big game coming in for Aguero.

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07 Dec 2014 11:49:15
Right lads if we scrape top 4 does Rogers deserve to keep his job ( also maybe win a fa or league cup)

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What makes you think he'll last the season? imo, he will go very soon.

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Top 4?!
what planet you on sir?
We'll do well to avoid relegation

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What the question was if Rogers manages to get top 4 will he be kept on (if we beat basel and united he will get a lot more time)

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He will go regardless of where we finish. N BTW, we won`t come 1st, 2nd nor 3rd. $th? We`re miles away from that, unfortunately based on the poor play we continue to see.

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We are a long way from 4th and honestly, whilst Rodgers remains, that is not going to change.

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07 Dec 2014 11:34:36
hey eds

you still think Brenadan will be gone in January or at the end of the season enven though Ayre said FSG is giving him full support. because clearly BR doesn't have clue sometimes with what to do in a match like subs and tactics etc even last year, only our strikers made us look good. cheers eds

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{Ed001's Note - the vote of confidence from a board is dreaded for a reason mate.}

If you get the vote of confidence, you are already half way thru the sacking process.

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07 Dec 2014 05:27:37
I probably will get some stick saying this but I have finally decided Rodgers has to go. Our football is not getting better and spending almost £120m and we are being dished up utter rubbish. The results vs Stoke and Leicester was paper over the cracks. Sunderland was yet another team struggling to score goals like Stoke and Leicester.

I am sick and tired of hearing things like “The first half was slow in terms of intensity and there wasn't much happening. “In the second half we pressed much better and in the right areas, but the ball wouldn't drop for us and we needed that little bit of luck." Rodgers is delusional and talks too much crap and those who are falling for his 'sweet talk' need to take off their rose tinted glasses.

If we had played last night vs any in form team then we would have been ripped apart. We are so predictable and boring, it is becoming increasingly difficult to watch us play.

Ed001, do you reckon if we do not make it to the next round of the CL during the week then Rodgers time will be up?

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{Ed001's Note - I think his time is already up, he is just marking time until he leaves now.}

ED001, that one line made my day. Yesterday was just horrible, the match was a complete buzzkill. One shot on target at home against Sunderland is just criminal. Instead of giving Yesil or Sinclair from the academy a chance from the bench, Brendan thought it wise to overload the substitute bench with midfielders who would not have made impact when it came to needing late goals.
Really disappointed with the way the season is shaping out. Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd will get top3, then its a straight fight with Arsenal, Spurs, Everton and possible Newcastle and Saints for the holy grail of 4th spot. Brendan has truly messed up, he has nowhere to hide and has to go.

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{Ed001's Note - if only he would learn to keep his mouth shut things might be better. The latest mouthing about how he was responsible for Sterling's increase in form, while managing to blame anyone but himself for Sterling's dip in form previously. A good man-manager would have given the credit to the player himself.}

07 Dec 2014 06:26:59
I don't see us getting any results against both Basel and UTD.
Also a new manager won't change the fortune overnight.
Spurs did it and they are doing very well this season, aren't they?
Our players along with manager has been clueless.
25 mill worth lallana should have at least 6 goals to his name no matter what,

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07 Dec 2014 06:43:58
Indian

The problem lies with in ourself to some extent. We hardly finished second and once we reach, we start worshiping the manager.
Tactically BR is the same man as last season. No tactics TBH.
Same starting eleven and leave the match to Suarez and Sturridge to produce individual magic.
No single attempt from 3 years to stop conceding goals.
No major substitutions.

Well, what do you expect from someone who got a sack from reading and had one season at Swansea?

It would take another 3 years or until we sell both Sterling and Sturridge to have close to 100 mill to spend.

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@ Passion, a new manager may not fix problems straight away but bringing a new coach/manager will at least give him a chance from now till the end of the season to identify the problems we have instead of starting the new season with problems having to be resolved first.

Lallana should have never been signed. He was never needed! We could have put that money and the cash we blew on Balotelli towards a proper striker or two. It is maddening to know how much money has been wasted this season. Now with the club taking on one massive amount of debt with the Anfield revamp you can be sure that the next manager is not going to be afforded the amount of Cash Rodgers has had. It is a huge mess but fact is Rodgers has to go!

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I think after you've spent close to a quarter billion pounds in a couple of years you shouldn't be reliant on a 'wee bit of luck' to beat the likes of Sunderland at home (no disrespect meant to Sunderland).

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07 Dec 2014 07:08:37
Max

Agreed mate, but until the current players shows a bloody mega improvement we would remain same.
Pochhetino had a successful season with Saints and doing brilliant with the players at Spurs, ain't it?
That 11 players on the pitch ( professionals drawing a mega salary week in week out) should be held equally responsible as anyone out there.

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Max1981, i could not agree more. Ringing in the changes now would give the new manager/coach time to identify the issues and weaknesses of the team, and make the necessary changes in the summer. Next season will be even more vital if we do not get top4 this season which is looking increasingly likely.Better to have a settled man at the helm than a newcomer.
The money could have definitely been invested better. Instead of spending a combined 36 million GBP on Markovic and Balotelli, we could have signed J.Martinez for around 30 million GBP and given Ibe or Teixiera a chance and saved a couple of million for the debt. Lovren for 20 million was also a waste of money, when we could have signed a goalkeeper for that money like Begovic.

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That is why we should stay clear of managers who are managing at clubs that finish below us in the league and we need to stay clear of overpaying for players who play for clubs finishing below us.

Using Pochettino as an example is pointless. Are you suggesting someone like Klopp won't get better performances from our squad? What is the bet someone like Klopp will?

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07 Dec 2014 07:32:40
Indian

I am sorry mate, But if we fall out from top4, the new manager would have no money to spend next summer unless you sell.
And ATM, none of our players would give us any kind of profit.

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07 Dec 2014 07:50:18
Max

The chances of getting a pedigree as good as klopp is very low.
We shouldn't just change the manager for another one season wonder, we need a world class man.

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So Passion.

Who do suggest, Benitez? Another manager who is to set in his ways and also too stubborn.

Klopp a one season wonder you say? Won Bundesliga twice and then has to deal with all his top players being flogged with a board that is showing no ambition. give Klopp £120m and I can guarantee he will win us the league. I want to see Rodgers achieving what Klopp has so far. He would not be gloating about himself either like Rodgers does. We need manager who talks less and does more.

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07 Dec 2014 08:51:10
"but bringing a new coach/manager will at least give him a chance from now till the end of the season"

Sounds good, but exactly who would this be? Which great coach is available and willing in January to take over at LFC?

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"It was terrible!" Said Ruud Gullit on MOTD.

First shot on target in the 63rd minute.

It never seems to get any better.

Rodgers is a liability.

He has to go now.

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Max, I agree with everything you say here, specifically about Lallana and you can throw Markovic and Lovren into that one for me. We have Ibe, Ilori and Suso. Disagree with Klopp though. In my opinion another flavour of the month with no footballing pedigree. Besides Maureen, they're all being found out.

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So to summarise this discussion, everyone agree that we play really really bad, and that BR has to go but there is no one to replace him that can make a difference (and that will come to us), our signings our awful but we don't have money to buy others and if (or more accurately when) we finish out of the top 4 we are even less likely to attract big names even if we had the money or keep our very few stars with us. Our one big star seems to be injured forever and another striker keep looking how to get into the headlines for the wrong reasons while on the pitch he is really poor.

Anyone can offer a bit of hope for 2015? thanks.

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Ozone

Markovic has loads of pace, the one thing we are lacking at the moment up top. His movement and positioning is another plus for me. I would honestly play Sterling and Markovic up top compared to Lambert up on his own. We would be far more threatening. I would have called a miss on Lovren, Balotelli and Lallana. £61m pounds pissed down the drain. Agger better than Lovren, Lallana no better than what we already had, could have kept Ibe and Balotelli square peg round hole. We could have gone Lyon, flashed the cash and Lacazette and would have had a player that offers the same as Suarez. That is our downfall this season. Not getting a player who can create something out of nothing.

Rodgers had enough money to try and replace Suarez but instead signed too may of the wrong players. happy with Can, Moreno and Markovic but have all been a waste. Origi still has a chance to prove himself but until then the summer spending is a complete disaster.

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We united put a lot of faith in Moyes who was clueless and terrible you can't afford to do the same with Rodgers both had no idea how to get there teams to play both are arrogant and players don't give one hundred per cent for them we both wanted them to be successful in our heart even though our head said he has to go

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Ed do you really think Rodgers well be sacked soon or do you think we will stick with him until the end of the season ?

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{Ed001's Note - I expect him to be replaced when the time is right, so long as form isn't too disastrous he will probably get the rest of the season, just because of the difficulty getting a replacement in before it finishes.}

07 Dec 2014 00:26:26
I was at the game today. first thing I have to say is the atmosphere was shocking compared to games I've been to last season. so quiet at times it has to affect the players imo!
Secondly.Henderson was awful. Markovich or Can would have been a better option.
Lambert shouldn't have played. love to know what Borini has done to not even make the bench anymore!
For the whole game the space in the middle of the park was ridic. yet noone had the balls to pick the ball up and run into it. only Sterling. which is stupid when he's a winger.
No pace or movement up front.we need Sturridge back so badly it's not even funny. just have nothing to offer going forward.
Never been to any game. lower league. sunday. kids. where it's taken over an hour to see a shot on target from either team! Woeful!
Hope we play a lot better Tuesday.otherwise we are out of the champions league. guaranteed

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07 Dec 2014 07:11:09
Nomi

Sturridge won't be back unti Jan. If you can't beat QPR, Sunderland, west ham ( no disrespect ) without Sturridge then they shouldn't be paid.

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Agreed. just saying its embarrassing how much we relied on him before his injury.
Also makes it even more obvious how Rodgers failed miserably at replacing Suarez.we'll not get a lump sum of cash to spend on genuine world class talent for a while. sucks to be a Liverpool fan right now. laughing stock of the league!
Next game after tues is Manu. could be painful to watch.

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06 Dec 2014 20:41:44
Hi eds and reds, a question for ed001 please first how is your daughter is she liking Dubai? What do you think of us looking to buy Bojan in the transfer window? He is a serious talent who causes a lot of mayhem around the box. Even at Barca he was very good.

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{Ed001's Note - She is good, she loves it out here, though she has only been out here for holidays so far, I am still working on trying to convince her to come out here permanently! As for Bojan, he goes missing in games far too often for my liking. Far too often I have watched games and thought afterwards was he playing today? He is also very lightweight, which he can get away with at Stoke surrounded by lots of bruisers, but not sure he would with us. I just don't see how we need him to be honest.}

I would rather we brought in a top quality manager who brings out the best in his players and knows their strengths and weaknesses. The club can sign all the players they want, but things will not improve under Brendan. His ego and arrogance will simply not allow it, the man is too busy admiring himself to recognize the obvious problems in the squad.

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06 Dec 2014 19:25:58
Ed001 who would you prefer as our goalkeeper next season, based on realistic rumours?

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{Ed001's Note - not sure mate, I haven't seen anything of a couple that we are linked to such as Neto.}

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