Liverpool Banter Archive April 07 2015

07 Apr 2015 22:35:57
Not as an option for Liverpool, but what are the thoughts on the potential of Eddie Howe as a coach at a top club? Is he purely the right man for B'mouth and would fail at a top EPL team. Or is he going to become the next Top coach like a Mourinho, Wenger, Fergie type?

07 Apr 2015 23:32:48
I've followed him for a while, I am certain he will become a top 10 Premier side coach, and you'd think he may get a chance at a big side at some point. Obviously you cannot safely predict what would happen for him at a top side, but in my opinion he is dead certain to be a top 10 premier side coach.

07 Apr 2015 23:47:30
We don`t need another "learner" on the job because we are not a clb for apprentices. Another club? Maybe.

08 Apr 2015 01:21:54
But is that not what Omega Man said he would not be a option for Liverpool but as O.M and you said he defo would be a top 10 clubs choice.
Barry inLouth

08 Apr 2015 07:56:51
Maybe he'll make Bournemouth a PL mainstay?

08 Apr 2015 08:03:38
He is obviously doing well, the interesting thing will be if Bournemouth get promoted; we've seen a lot of managers sacked 1/2 way through their first season in the premiership as the club wants to hold onto their premiership status.

So if he gets promoted and does well then great; if he doesn't he may have to rebuild his reputation / someone willing to take a chance on him.

Personally i hope he is successful (not sure his stint at Burnley went too well though).

08 Apr 2015 08:07:16
Fagan,Paisley,Daglish.
All learners redohio.
It depends on who the person is.

08 Apr 2015 10:02:33
Sometimes people are too fast in their judgments. Shankly himself initially applied to manage LFC in 1951 but was turned down because it was felt he didn't have sufficient experience or qualification for the job. He managed reasonably successfully in the third and second divisions until 1959 after we at LFC had languished in the second division for five years. Would he have been successful before he was had he come earlier. who knows. but he was hardly the picture of success when he delivered us from the shambles we were in.

Success is not guaranteed by previous success and lack of experience is not proof of inability. And well done jonnybarnes89-90 for pointing out our own rich bootroom tradition. brought far more success than big name management

08 Apr 2015 18:17:58
Barnes, all those names you mentioned were humble men without an ego and willing to learn at the biggest club in the world at the time. Times have changed and your boy BR is the direct opposite of them in achievement andmentality. Try again!

07 Apr 2015 22:02:28
Ed's,

In your opinion are there many other clubs that have been as starved of success in the last decade round Europe, that have as big and consistent a support as Liverpool?

Naturally our crowds have been capped and this will change in next couple of years but I can't think of many other teams that still have a following like us week in week out for the lack of trophies seen in return.

{Ed001's Note - depends on how you view being starved of success? I mean we have picked up some cups, which is success surely?}

07 Apr 2015 23:20:55
Since Istanbul we've won one FA Cup 9 yrs ago and a league Cup under Kenny.

I would call that starvation for a club of our size and stature.

Point being our fans are incredible in light of this and wondered if there are any other clubs supporters that could compare all things considered Ed?

{Ed001's Note - I don't see how you can compare clubs, it makes no sense. We all have our own identities, who cares about these kind of comparisons? It just sounds like a roundabout way of trying to claim Liverpool have better fans, which, sadly, is just not true. We have some great fans, some not so great and some downright awful just like every club.}

08 Apr 2015 00:30:28
Arseanl didn't do much better in the last decade. Yes have been in the CL more than us but until the FA cup last year they had many years without a trophy since the invincibel days.

08 Apr 2015 03:29:11
Trophies are the benchmark for success and not playing champions league for 2 decades without even a SINGLE pot to piss in dring that span.

07 Apr 2015 20:21:04
Hi eds, just a thought but I really believe that Rafa could be a great DOF. Remember he was spotting David Villa, Daniel Alves and Alonso etc long before they came household names. I think if could find more gems like these and Rodgers coached them to fulfil their potential this really could be a dream team??

{Ed001's Note - he never spotted them, the scouts did. As for them not being household names, all 3 were well known in Spain, especially Alonso, who Tosh had tried to get Liverpool to buy long before. There is no way Rafa could cope without meddling, it would be a disaster.}

07 Apr 2015 23:54:37
Another Rafa-in post. Must be the season. He is an arrogant control freak who doesn`t like being told wht to do and he still wants to manage us again hence, he will make the coach`s life a living hell by meddling which will lead to him taking the job when said-coach gets fired. The pro Rafa brigde need to let it go. HE AIN`T COMING!!!!!

07 Apr 2015 16:59:50
Hi eds,
What are ....
SA

{Ed002's Note - I have no interest in discussing such matters. Sorry.}

07 Apr 2015 13:24:07
FDB to LFC in the summer FAcup or not

07 Apr 2015 14:16:10
FDB ?

{Ed002's Note - He means de Boer.}

07 Apr 2015 15:42:12
FdB (Farmer Frank)!

07 Apr 2015 17:15:35
I think ed2 said Liverpool interest in FBD has cooed?

07 Apr 2015 17:17:22
I think ed2 said liverpool interest in FBD has cooled!

08 Apr 2015 03:30:45
I would do all I can to get Klopp if I was in charge of LFC right now

07 Apr 2015 11:35:39
Morning Eds.

By now i'm sure everyone is aware of who could be in the running to replace rodgers in the summer (klopp de boer, rafa, etc).

Obviously it will also largely depend on whether or not we will go with a DOF (visable or not visable) and who would be willing to work under the structure we choose.

My question is how would you set up in the summer? i know lots of people are saying Klopp but Dortmund are not having a very good season is that his doing, or is it factors out of his control?

Personally i don't think i would take Rafa back as much as i love him as i think he would proberly want full control + he can't really deal with working in a budget.

Sorry for the long post but i thought it would make a change from the constant Rodgers out posts!

Thanks

{Ed002's Note - I sure as hell wouldn't hold your breath about Klopp moving to Liverpool this summer.

I really have no interest in any of this fantasy football stuff but I am sure others will have an opinion Josh.}

07 Apr 2015 11:54:52
I don't think there are many good options really. De Boer had plus points such as promoting academy talent etc at Ajax but his style of play is fairly slow possession football (think Rodgers or Van Gaal on a bad day) with some pressing. Ajax haven't set the world on fire this year in a poor league. I'd say he was the most likely if Rodgers goes.

Maybe something left field like Karanka?! Bielsa is out of contract I believe and his teams do play good football but he has a mixed record, doesn't speak English either

07 Apr 2015 12:34:22
Maybe Sterling could act as his interpreter. Surely he must have some skills to justify £100,000 a year!

07 Apr 2015 12:40:06
I don't get what josh said is anything to do with fantasy football lmao he stated wether either would be a option hardly fantasy football so.

{Ed002's Note - God the idiots are out in force today.}

07 Apr 2015 13:02:48
Please don`t take this as anything more than a bit of banter, but I don`t know what it is, every time I look at Ronald Koeman I just see him as a Liverpool manager, not based on any logic or great insight, just when I see him on the touchline it screams Lfc to me.(does he look a bit like Sammy Lee?)

07 Apr 2015 16:45:40
I just wanted the eds opinions on what they would do really, i did'nt realise Klopp was so unrealistic.

From what you know Ed002 what do you think is the most likely scenario come the summer? I doubt Rodgers would accept a job anyway to be honest

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to speculate on what is "likely".}

07 Apr 2015 03:18:13
Don't shoot me, just asking a question. How important is CL footy for us next season? It wasn't the big carrot we hoped it would be in attracting top players, though I know that is just one aspect to a player signing. Also, big money is expected when selling to English teams in the CL, so we often pay over the odds. Utd still attracted Blind, Di Maria and Falcao, and yes I know they can pay more in wages than we can.
We had our best season in years last year without European competition, and let's face it, our current squad couldn't cope.
Of course, if I had a choice, I'd love us to finish fourth, but it's not the end of the world.

07 Apr 2015 08:23:25
Very important, if not to attract big players, it would be the money received that we couldn't afford to miss out on

07 Apr 2015 08:03:01
How important? In terms of finance, in terms of player attraction and in most importantly, in terms of the big European nights at Anfield happening again and beginning to mean something - very important.

Our current squad probably could cope. But sadly they never even tried

07 Apr 2015 09:12:33
Fair point - but first of all if we finish 5th or get to the cup final (I think) we are very likely to get to the EL which is even worse in terms of how it will affect our league form (more games and closer to the weekend.

I agree that it is not the only relevant factor attracting (or failing to attract) top players but can still be important for some. Part of the reason ManU was able to attract all these names you mentioned is the assumption that they will be back in the CL sooner or later. And it is not only about attracting big names but being able to keep young talent, Sterling etc.

Maybe most important, if we ever want to be title contenders it is likly to be a gradual process, first becoming regular members in the CL, then builidng the winning mentality especially in big games, the squad to compete well in two competitions (when you do well in the CL it also add a bit of fear factor domestically against the small teams), testing ourselves against the best in Europe, hopefully improving and then find another Suarez and and top manager and take the league.

{Ed002's Note - So another 10 years of transition then?

6th will do for the Europa League.}

07 Apr 2015 10:22:02
Champions League qualification is important in every way, shape and form, the financial aspect, the lure of playing on the big stage, reputation, competing against the best, etc, etc.

Ok being in it this year didn't attract the 'Big names'(Sanchez is the only one I can think of that we went for and got turned down) but as Arsenal have shown, consistently being in it along with the money it brings in makes you a better proposition for 'big name players'.

You can't put a price on the experience the squad receives from playing in it against the major teams and the best players in the biggest stadiums. Our players won't get used to playing at the top level if they aren't playing against the top level teams!

Utd were only able to sign those players due to the fact they threw crazy money at them. Show me a player who would turn down £300k a week to sign for Utd without Champions League and I'll show you a liar!

07 Apr 2015 11:34:09
One year of Champions League qualification won't make much difference to your ability to attract players, you have to be a consistent Champions League club like we were in the noughties.

07 Apr 2015 11:51:59
We cannot compete with United they are absolutely huge and it is a very long time since we actually signed a top class proven player we just cannot attract those type of players anymore.

07 Apr 2015 12:15:47
We hardly need any players in my opinion.
Get rid of all those we don't want and bring in youth players and a few 1st eleven players.
Evolution rather than revolution for me.

07 Apr 2015 16:23:19
Very important unfortunately. Not only for the financials, but for future Champions League rankings as well. It isn't ideal having to go in the 3rd pot, Citeh being a good example of that.

I can't imagine that we are going to be spending much money in the Summer regardless of Champions League or not, but it will have an effect on who we target. The Europa League really is not ideal. They have put a small amount more in participation money, but not enough. Additionally, the fact that you need to win it to get to the Champions League makes it very tough.

07 Apr 2015 16:44:54
Depending how early we find the next Suarez and top manager. Do you have a better/faster plan Ed002?

07 Apr 2015 18:20:19
Jonnny, evolution won't work with the blood thirsty glory hunters on here.

{Ed001's Note - bit harsh that, everyone wants to win things.}

07 Apr 2015 18:56:46
I think we should put a petition in to UEFA asking them to give England 5 CL places then were sorted

07 Apr 2015 21:37:54
Everyone is entitled to their opinion Davey!! (Made me laugh though fella)
I respect those who think Rodgers has run his course a Liverpool.
I just don't agree with the notion.
There is no-one out there who I think is attainable who can change the situation dramatically for the better and I still don't think Rodgers has been here long enough to properly judge him.
3 Years in my opinion is not long enough to judge a manager who was brought in for a long term project.
Others may disagree but hey that is what makes life worth living!!

06 Apr 2015 23:24:32
whatr about Pako rafa's assistant who when he was here we played really well and had us winning a lot of games but he fell out with rafa and from then on the club has been in a downward spiral ever since, all the players were gutted when he left and at the moment he is a manager at a team that is winning the league and gas won a cup, he knows the club and will get the players playing well, he should not cost a lot in wages and he knows the spanish league and players, i think players come to clubs now because of the manager being the main reason for them to come, look at Southampton and other teams who have decent european managers, everyone says if BR goes who are we going to get, well i would have Packo, i read about how well he is doing and i'm sure fans and the eds on here who know a lot more than me can fill in any answers and blanks I've missed out,

one thing that is for certain in my opinion is that sterling should be sold we would get a nice price for him plus we would get rid of a player who is upsetting everyone at the club, i read about hendo wanting to wait and his agent saying he should be on £100 grand a week its funny that's the amount sterling the kid knocked back, sterling was allowed to go on holiday when no one else got a brake he is getting special treatment and all the other players are looking at this and asking themselves why should i not be treated the same way, if i was a player i would be asking the same questions, hendo is the captain of the club and he should get more than sterling, don't forget sterling as been moved from the wing back position because he does not like playing there, in his interview he slated the club and the manager and his tactics, read between the lines and you will see this, he has only been playing in a teams 1st team gor 18 months and demanding all kinds, well he should remember who gave him his chance and be grateful and repay the faith that was shown in him, i think jordan ibe is a better all round player than sterling but if sterling is allowed to carry on being a brat and holding the club to ransom, then is won't be long befpre other players at the club start demanding the same, we need a manager who will get though on players like this, i hate to say this but Alex Ferguson would not have stood for a player acting like this, if sterling does not start producing he should be dropped to the under 21s until he starts to get his head together and start playing like he used to do, drop him out the lime light and it will show other players they can't treat the club like sterling is treating it,

we have lovren who we all agreed was a very good player at southampton, what's happened to him is it coaching or just low confidence, all said and done he can play and regain his confidence, like lambert and ballotelli, if the manager shows faith in them then i'm sure they will come good, not play them as bit part players knowing after one or 2 games they will be dropped even if they play really good we all know how good ballo can be, when i see him play he is our only striker who uses his strenght to hold up the ball, sturridge use his quickness and tricks to beat players but all defenders have to do is drop off him, i wish BR used lambert more, he is a dead ball specialist and scored a few very good free kicks before he signed for us, he can spot a pass and knows where to run, i don't know about lallana he's been a mystery to me in and out, i don't know what's going on with him, he has not been consistant enough and he is light weight, i like markovic, he gives a 100% all the time, the 2 holding mids is a waste of a player and when its allen and lucas well light weight is not the right word, hendo should be in the midfield all the time, Emre Can looks really good as a midfielder he makes things happen,

one last thing if BR has to play our players out of position then his formation is wrong, we should play our players in their natural position then they will play better, sterling at right wing back is taking away the threat he poses in attack so making it easy for the team we are playing, its like putting suarez in defence, no other manager would take such a threat and play him where he can't hurt the other team, if BR does not see this or ignores it then he is not the right manager for us

sorry about the long post just had tp get it of my chest

07 Apr 2015 08:35:17
Sorry, I was going to reply, but I lost the will to live half way down

07 Apr 2015 11:21:00
Just a bit of info about Pako. He is working in Israel at the moment under Jordy Croyff as DoF and doing a very good job in Macabbi Tel Aviv, who after a win yesterday are likely to win the championship there and had a very good season. He is quite highly rated there. Some of his predecessors in this club went to do well in Europe. Paulo Soza for example is managing Basel. Still a very big jump from managing in Israel to managing LFC. from the relatively young managers who are not managing in the big European leagues at th emoment, I would go with Bilic, I really like the guy thgouh he wasn't very succesful in Moscow but is doing a good job in Basiktash. If he can bring Demba Ba with him it is even better.

07 Apr 2015 19:14:29
Your post lost all credibility when you said we played good football under Benitez, we won games, but 90%.of the time we were dire to watch, playing players out of the position they were bought for, and always embarrassing the club with his press conferences, and his biggest failing - he never ever admitted any thing was his fault. He is the single reason, after over 40 years a Kopite - I stopped going to games.