Liverpool Banter Archive September 06 2012

 

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06 Sep 2012 23:22:27
Sterling suso yesil- the future is bright.
AnfieldUSA


 

 

06 Sep 2012 23:03:57
For the love of god. Will you give it up with this constant enquiring after footballers who have no club. Pongolle, Owen and even Folwer. Its tedious to say the least. Please stop! Pleasseee!

The Irish Rover


Fair enough those players but what about heskey? Would add sum real star quality to the squad and i would go as far to say we would be title contenders if we signed him!


Ah sure go on, go on, go on

Keep bringing up names of unattached footballers who are either rubbish or past their sell by date


 

 

06 Sep 2012 23:03:37
Do ya know what? It's actually alright on here tonight.

dd


 

 

06 Sep 2012 22:43:02
Just seen David speedie at melwood, think we could have a big announcement tonight!


 

 

06 Sep 2012 22:41:18
Anyone who has a downer on our club at the moment. Just go and listen to Rodgers interview that he has done on the Anfield Wrap website, with emphasis on the word LISTEN!


I loved it. This guy is great. I'm prepared to give him a couple of years to get it right. I think he'll flourish when he (excuse me for saying this) doesn't have to play Stevie all the time. I actually think he'll be the man that gets us back into the title race. He nailed so much in that interview, from guys being here that don't want to be here to ginormous salaries to tactics.

Chi-Paul


Just listened to all of this, it's fantastic and should definitely be compulsory listening for everyone who has been moaning on here for the last few days!


Watch the TheRedMenTv one aswell....i could listen to him speak for hours about football and you learn so much aswell by listening to the man. Might just get my Coaching badges!!..... I really won't but that's the kind of enthusiasm you get from listening to him.

GuvTOB


YouTube redmentv they have it up on video as well showing tactics and stuff- the man is brilliant


 

 

06 Sep 2012 22:14:26
Guys calm down....

Forget what happend on the last day of the transfer window and look forward, if we dont all get behind BR then we will yet again end up putting the team under imense pressure.

Like one of the eds said recently, we are not a champions league team at the moment and we are undergoing a major rebuild.

What we do have right now is some amazing young tallent, right now we can bring in Borini, Morgan, Suso & Yesil.

Either one of these guys could score one lucky goal then go on a massive run of form, lets cast our mind back to Owen and the impact he made before he hung us out to dry.

Stop whinging and look forward...You wonder why the eds dissapear, I dont blame them with so many negative comments going around..

I know what i am talking about because I coach young kids and you can make the most average player into a good player with support and encouragement, so get off their backs by saying that a 37yr old from italy is gonna be better than a promising youngster...

IF YOUR GOOD ENOUGH, YOUR OLD ENOUGH....

THANK YOU EDS FOR ALL YOUR GOOD WORK.
IN BR WE TRUST....YNWA

Liverbird09


I agree with most of your points, but you can overuse players at a very young age and make them become injury prone look at owen and wilshire. I have nothing against playing the youth but not all the time. It would be better if we rotated some of our youngsters like maybe morgan comin gin as a back up striker and when we feel he's tired, we can let yesil or ngoo have a go. This would mean we would be improving and integrating the youth into our first team for the future.


Owen's persistant injuries were due the original hamstring injury not being repaired properly. science has changed on the human body that owen would have had one op and made a full recovery fro the rest of his career. but, the knowledge wasn't there 15 years ago like it is today and he subsequently suffered other injuries that came as a result of the 1st injury.
as for wilshire, very little is being released by afc about an injury that has a normal recovery time of 6 months. he is now closing in 16/18 months, i don't believe the twitter rumours that he has issues or other indulgencies in his private life but i do believe that there is more to it/hisinjury than what everyone is being told.


Can you explain " Hung out to dry " - Michael Owen was approached by Real Madrid after they had been told by Rick Parry that he was available - very much the same as the Xabi business - the club tried to sell the player without telling the player, - and same as Xabi, when you are told the club don't want you, and RM come calling - not really a tough choice.
All you Owen knockers - never ever new the truth, mainly because you get more enjoyment out of slagging players off - something for some strange reason you ALL omitted to do when McManaman walked away for nothing, costing us a damn sight more than Owen leaving - at least we got money for him, and Nunez of course, and we can't blame Owen for that.

John B


 

 

06 Sep 2012 22:12:12
Pacheco given no.12 shirt back, and Yesil no.36

with first team numbers, BR obviously has high hopes of the youngters, and with Yesil, Borini, Sterling, Assaisi, allen, sahin, kelly, shelvey all under 25, this could be a foundation for the next 5 years.

Dr. Sanchez


It wont with sahin he will be back at real lol


Not much choice


Pacheco have the experiance now is the time to show it. take the chance Pacheco or u will never get it again.

r-r


Suso will also get his chance


 

 

06 Sep 2012 22:07:24
Samed seems like a gem of a player.what yours opinion


 

 

06 Sep 2012 21:58:03
well the rumours page was a quick read today.
Andrew


 

 

06 Sep 2012 21:47:17
I notice Pacheco has been given the no. 12 shirt, i hope he can make the odd apperance and show us what he is capable of, ed's do you think he will be given a chance?

Red Grand


Hodgson gave him #12 mate.

BthekingB


I thought Pacheco moved to another club, has he ed?
Thanks
Jay


The move fell apart last minute.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 21:42:25
as a red i feel so much happier tonight. young players coming up could be our platform finally, and with br who looks to be a class coach, we could capitalize fully. looking at yesil on toutube clips, would i be not far away in saying he looks to be a cross between owen and fowler, that is very very fast and a natural finisher. if so how did we get him for 1million. and could he feature against sunderland?

B O H


Good question! How did we get him for just 1m then eds? anyone?

ChrisMiz


Big Sami loves us thats why how


 

 

06 Sep 2012 21:38:38
Is Sinama Pongolle still a free agent? I think he will be good to come back he's still only 28!


Gone to a russian team ROSTOV ! whoever they are !!


 

 

06 Sep 2012 21:25:06
So we have Samed Yesil banging the goals in for the German u19's and Shelvey scoring and making goals for England u21's..if they are good enough they are old enough, get them starting Brendan, or am i missing somthing?


Lucas subbed v City and Shelvey came on, he's started a number of games already this season, just because Sahin started against Arsenal doesn't mean Shelvey isn't considered a first-team player

Red Ollie


4 goal scored 3 of them by Liverpool player ?


Yesil no 36


 

 

06 Sep 2012 21:15:30
EDO2? I am addicted to quizing you now. You stated earlier that the future looked quote "nifty". In regards to LFCs young generation would you say we have a really good batch, I mean potential game changers?

Out of a confused window I think instead of looking for Peles number we have a golden opportunity to let a new generation do what the last few have failed return the Liver bird to her perch. {Ed002's Note - Once you manage to overcome speaking in cliches the folk will be there.}


Ed002 If you build it he will come


 

 

06 Sep 2012 21:15:59
Has everyone left the country ?


I have. I'm in Dubai!

Gordy


I have, avin a Bud light with lime in Florida by the pool but ile be back in the crowd against the for our first home win :-)

Red1


I moved to Canada...

Cuchulainn`s Hounds


 

 

06 Sep 2012 21:12:39
lets not get too carried away by Yesil-statements like ........I must say that Yesil up front for Germany was amazing. His movement was absolutely fantastic. His vision and passing was immense
need caution- I am sure BR has it all under control. All will be a massive step up to Liverpool first team squad- but he looks one hell of a signing


 

 

06 Sep 2012 20:46:49
Pongolle has signed for Rostov a team in the russian league.

Karlose


 

 

06 Sep 2012 20:46:04
Yesil and Suso to be called up to 1st team. Watch this space...


Yesil got number 36 and BR said guysa like Suso will get their chance. same thing he said about Morgan but lets hope when Suso get his debut it goes as well as Sterling's was.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 20:41:50
can anyone Ed can confirm that is there still time to buy any free agent ?


red rock {Ed002's Note - If certain criteria are met.}


Yes. Barrios {Ed002's Note - He is not a free agent.}


Ha ha ha bet your getting sick of people asking if barrios is a free agent...... So.... Has he been released yet?!
Tommy.


How about Juan Román Riquelme ?


r-r


 

 

06 Sep 2012 20:32:57
Why are we still blaming Rogers and we know the reason we could not get dempsey was due to the owners. Its still very early to start pointing fingers if anything you just be blaming your "King" he was given enough to compete and now that ship has sailed Rogers has done well with the funds available and I still don't understand why we crying over Carrol. He had three good games for Liverpool and would not have adapted to our style of play, at least his resale value will increase if he performs at Westham, if he sat on the bench this year we'd only get 12m max for him. Its not all doom and gloom and look at the teams we played against did you really expect anything else?


All the talk about 29 going on 30 year old Dempsey! Do people really think he was going to make the difference ? I think the owners are correct in not splashing 6mil on him! Our 10 mil striker is playing wide right at present ! Do you not think when they paid that, they assumed they were buying a 25 goal a season striker? I keep repeating myself in saying the owners have invested will invest and with BR will get it right,
Boofs bro


Samed Yesil > Andy Carroll > Clint Dempsey


 

 

06 Sep 2012 20:27:58
So what age is Robbie Fowler then.. {Ed002's Note - 47 going on for 48. As he lies about his age, rumour is maybe 54 or 55.}


He was 27 when he jumped from the academy to the first team,


Hes around 37
Quality finisher.
Injury did him and seemed to peak early though. Left us first at 27 should of been at his best but seemed past it.


Think u have to look at houllier and thompson as to y fowler and that little ferret owen i cant wait to play at stoke pmsl wait till the likes of shawcross get hold of him in training he will be injured all season and wishing he was grooming his horses


 

 

06 Sep 2012 20:06:07
Anyone know the cheapest place to order a LFC adult home shirt online? And maybe name printed on the back too?

LFCBilly


Sports Direct possibly.

si666


China copy football shirts dot com


Or you could buy it from the club store online so LFC actually gets something out of it....


Loads of fans threatening to burn their shirts if we dont buy Messi, try asking them to give you theirs.


You should be ordering your shirt from the club direct , so as much money goes back into this great club , i always order from the club shop , !!


Surely shirts are produced under licence...wouldnt LFC make dough either way? {Ed002's Note - No, if you buy the shirt from the club they would get the retailers cut. The money from shirt sales goes to the manufacturer, the distributor and the retailer, who can make extra adding numbers and names to the shirts. If the club are the retailer (club shop, club website etc.) then they get the retailers cut. The manufacturer (Adidas, Warrior, Nike etc.) pay the club an amount each year which allows them to manufacture and sell the shirts using the correct logos etc.. That is how they justify the money given to the club. So if you walk in to a high street store and buy a Liverpool or Arsenal shirt - nothing goes to the club. There are a few clubs that have negotiated different deals with manufacturers (Real Madrid with Adidas and Barcelona with Nike are the two obvious examples) based upon joint reselling ventures. So the income from shirts is fixed to the £xM or whatever Adidas, Nike etc. pay the club plus a small amount for reselling through the club retail outlets (shop, web).}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 20:23:28
Ed002 do you know of any buyback option that Bayer has or is it just twitter rumours?

Sj {Ed002's Note - No, I don't know the details but they will not be along the lines of forcing Liverpool to sell the kid. It will more likely be along the lines of "Should LFC decide to sell then ...". But I thought the Liverpool fans wanted rid of players like this so room could be made for Morientes and Fowler?}


Eds my new hero lol
red rrab


Sean dundee!


Dont forget rush and dalglish on a pay as you play, top 4 here we come
Andrew


Bring back Erik Meijer!!


Ed002 so witty and good looking. love the comment


 

 

06 Sep 2012 20:05:18
Samed Yesil continues to be prolific for Germany. He scored 2 and assisted 1 for the U19 friendly of Germany and England.

final score 3-1 to Germany


 

 

06 Sep 2012 19:56:11
Just wondering, as DJ Campbell has not been named in 25 man squad, would/ could they release him, if they thought another club might be interested ? If they are not going to use him, would get him off the wage bill. Just a thought ! {Ed002's Note - They can send him on loan to the Championship or whatever. He won't be moving to Liverpool however much you want him.}


Hi Ed002, not saying I want him, just exploring the options which appear to be getting thinner on the ground. The hope is that the young kids can step up, but I still feel we are light in that department and it would do no harm to bring an experienced striker in, should one become available. Thanks for you time, great site.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 19:52:26
Hi Eds,

Do you know what the details are of Yesil's buy back option?

Cheers {Ed002's Note - No, I don't. But it will not be as onerous as suggested. It will likely be along the lines of "Should LFC decide to sell then ...}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 19:27:01
hi eds reds maybe because of the players we have , 433 might not work through the lack of true class in wide posistions. yes i know we have stirling , and hes brilliant , but he wont play every game so we have to think of something else. 451 , the normal defence with suarez the striker then cole and downing wide midfield and a fit lucas, allen , gerrard.that still leaves henderson, sahin , shelvey and borini plus stirling. add to that kelly and coates and we still have a decent bench. 352 - skrtel, coates, agger. lucas, sahin allen, johnson , enrique playing wide , gerrard just off suarez. those alternatives allow more first choice players to play and we play to our strengths ie defence and midfield, we still get width with johnson and enrique and if we feel confident even downing down the left. hopefully we can hold our own till january and then get one maybe two top quality strikers. godbless96 come on redmen. steviep62.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 19:02:15
2 goals and 1 assist for samed yesil (Germany u19s vs England u19) and 1 goal and 1 assist for jonjo Shelvey (england u21 vs Azerbaijan u21) wow is anyone else's excited as me by the amount of talented youth we have coming through? Martin Kelly and Jordan Henderson also completed 90 minutes for England u21. Now I don't know who is to thank for this, Benitez, dalglish, academy directors, I DON'T CARE! All I can say iS THANK YOU! Ed's do you know if Adorjan played for the Hungary u21s cheers. A very happy and proud, Asian Red {Ed002's Note - I think the future looks pretty nifty.}


Benitez is to thank for the set up, Dalglish is to thank for the confidence and Brendan is to thank for the coaching.

BthekingB


And let's not forget about the academy directors as you said.

BthekingB


Who made the tea?

Its not like the old days etc etc


 

 

06 Sep 2012 19:01:48
Hi ed's the new German striker we signed scored 23 goals in 20 games...no? If its true looks like we've found a goalscorer! {Ed002's Note - Much is expected of him - a real good signing I am told.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 19:27:14
We are LFC and the players and manager we have are the ones we need to support 100% as long as they are part of LFC.

On a personal note i think we will do brilliantly this season.

Sahin and Borini will definitely shine.

Sterling and Allen already are.

One of the players above will definitely be our player of the season and another young player of the season.

Over the last 2 weeks i was researching the other other 2 new signings Assaidi and Yesil.

These 2 will definitely wow the fans. They have definitely moved to the right club because of Rodgers. His coaching and advise will take them to the next level.

What is really needed is backing and patience from us fans.

"Your actions show what your heart is made of."

And the sad truth is that is what is lacking, "YOU" . The 12'th man.
Bring it back and LFC will be successful.

All the right ingredients are there but the support, 12'th man.

I don't think the current supporters are anything like the supporters of the 80's and early 90's.

I cannot talk about the support prior to 1980 because that is when i started watching and supporting LFC.

I am sorry to say that the supporters of today are "USELESS" and it hurts the club.

Ed002 your knowledge and advise is OUTSTANDING.

Great work, keep it up and i hope that the current team excels on and off the field just so that todays supporters can feel the passion of what it is like being 100% LFC.

YNWA-SA


Great post mate, today's fans are a disgrace!


 

 

06 Sep 2012 19:24:38
I must say that Yesil up front for Germany was amazing. His movement was absolutely fantastic. His vision and passing was immense. The third goal was super football. I cannot see him not being part of the 1st team if not straight away then very soon. It's not my 1st time watching him by the way but he has certainly progressed a lot quicker than I thought, maybe a blessing in disguise this transfer window with these hungry, exciting young men fighting for places. The only way is up I always say. The futures bright, the futures red, YNWA sIMONPW


Next game sunderland- first half front man suarez- replaced by yesil 2nd half - give him a go-just like sterling - top drawer


 

 

06 Sep 2012 18:58:32
Samed Yesil has just scored two cracking goals v England u21's..

Kenny


Under 19s I think.


And one assist.

JW


England u19s mate
Tommy.


Just watched them, get him in the team


 

 

06 Sep 2012 18:55:17
Is it true that Yesil has a buy-back clause in his contract? If so, any idea what the conditions are?

Thanks.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 18:15:54
I think my life is connected to LFC
When LFC were do'in well I was at the top of my game work and lifestyle......
This week I was made redundant, LFC lost again, girlfriend moved out (bitch), mortage in arrears etc etc,
I need a win LFC and everything will be forgotton. PLEASE!


You have started a new game today, forget about the last one. just like football, play well and you will see you win more than you lose


You lucky b*st**d place to yourself again how did you do it...write the plan you'll make many a man happier haha


 

 

06 Sep 2012 18:15:51
whats with you all, this is not the lfc way , we support them win,lose,draw,thats why we are the best supporters in the world.
if we carry on moaning we be known as a laughing stock .

get behind br and the team and make anfield the best atmosphere it used to be .

YNWA77


We are already a laughing stock ,wat team gets rid of 9 first team players & take in 3 first team players & lets there new manager loan out aplayer that cost 35million & then decide not to sign anyone knowing we need players ,,o yeah there was still two & ahalf hours left to buy players on deadline day when the club came out & said there would be no new signings & that everyone away home,,now if were not alaughing stock wat r we,,its beyond a joke im still pissed off seriously wer ajoke


Your spelling & grammar is a joke...


9 First team players: let me know which of those "first team players" you would have kept, let me guess Aurelio.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 18:15:15
Hey everyone, I just don't get all the negativity on here, we are just 3 games into the league season and your already calling for the owners to go n Rodgers to go, am I right in thinking that all the moaners expected us to challenge for the title? Because if you did maybe now you'll all realise that we are not as good as we use to be and need to accept that fact, I'm disappointed we didn't get another striker but life goes on and u support the team no matter what! That is what support means! Give things time people and stop wanting a quick fix, it ain't going to happen, stop moaning coz we can't sign anyone so all ur posts are pointless, Liverpool fc forever

Andy


For me negativity is directly in line with the points we have on the board!! So its hard to be very positive when your team have lost 2, drawn 1 and won 0. I will get more positive when we get points!


 

 

06 Sep 2012 18:36:02
yesil is on fire for germanys u/19's, do you think he will get a 1st team chance at liverpool soon? {Ed052's Note - yes}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 18:28:18
What games going on?


 

 

06 Sep 2012 18:26:37
Why was joe cole and assaidi not on the bench against arsenal surely they could add some kind of goal threat more than hendo or downing anyway {Ed052's Note - Cole is injureed, and Assaidi not ready}


Ed052 - you mean Cole is in his normal holding role. {Ed052's Note - Haha yes}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 18:24:15
Prob MOTD fever but who cares lol,any chance of signing that young german striker Yesil he's awesome Simonpw


Are you joking?


Really hope that was some form of sarcasm


This has to be a joke


He's already our player...


Sign him up Brendan. Got to be worth at least £10-£15 million, but if we can get him for about £1 million, what a buy it will be.


FSG have offered 5 grand and Jordan Henderson for him........


Of couse i was joking, it was aimed at all the doom and gloom merchants who are still moaning that we didn't buy a striker, maybe just maybe BR mite just know what he is doing(more sarcasm by the way cos of course he knows what he is doing). Did it not dawn on a lot of people that BR assessed all of the squad including reserves and youth and then decided who he could use. He obviously got rid of who he didn't. Ok he didnt get 1 or 2 of his targets but he did get 5 of them. I for 1 will reserve any judgement until I have seen his team play his way when "all" the players have had a run of games. Rome wasn't built in a day lads and lasses. Surely our team deserves the chance to fully form before they are condemned to the scrapheap after 3 games. Where are all our so called most knowledgeable fans gone. United we stand and divided we fall. Now is the time for us to join together and support as 1. YNWA Simonpw


 

 

06 Sep 2012 18:02:10
Shelvey is in the form of his career so far, playing exceptional against man city and now getting an assist for caulkers goal and scoring one himself. I don't care who gets benched but he needs to start next game to carry on this form and help his development. A very excited, Asian Red


Agree. On current form it's captain that gets dropped. No one should be immune
FowlerisGod


What game is he playing in? Love when you guys post updates on Red's who are playing, but it would be helpful to know what game you are watching, especially for those of us outside of England... {Ed052's Note - England U21's mate. Yesil is planning for Germany U19's I believe, but vs England, which is hilarious}


I would bench Stevie G, Allen Shlevey & Sahin for me...

Bosco


In my opinion Shelvey is as good as Gerrard at the same age.
This lad, if he keeps his feet on the ground will go far.
LFC have some great young players and looks good for the future. Just need a goal scorer....


Yesil scored twice also against ENgland


Awesome- thanks Ed052!


Jonjo could well be the new Stevie G.


If memory serves me correctly, when Jonjo Shelvey first arrived at Liverpool, Stevie G predicted that he would be a future England Captain...

Gotta love his workrate and enthusiasm all around the pitch. Agree with SG.

MikeInUSA


Drop Borini then put Gerrard on the right!


 

 

06 Sep 2012 17:58:36
Still almost a week on from transfer dead line day and people are still thinking of a free transfer signing.

Get on the boat lads and lasses, we ain't into recruiting pensioners to play football. We have who we have and we will move on until LFC decide to pounce in January.

I say/type January because i think the owners will bring in at least one player to ease the burden with the strikers. But even if we find ourselves in February with the same lads and no addition, we plough on.


We needed a striker jan 2011, that didn't happen. Will we make the same mistake again? ak.


Pounce

More like a slow limber


Agree shelvey is looking really good at the moment,always thought he had potential a rough diamond that needed a bit of polish! But seems to be progressing faster than expected as for joe Allen such phenomenal football intelligence for a 22 year old & can't wait for Lucas to return...... Paisley's genius


I think alot of peoples comments are man u fans trying to divide.understand moan at owners bulls##t.but brendan rodgers does not need all this negativity support our team ynwa.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 17:52:15
Hi eds who do you think is the best striker on the free market or the one who would do well at liverpool?

Also word out to RedRob who said Pongolle would sign for Liverpool but he moved to Russia even though he told RedRob he was moving to Liverpool


 

 

06 Sep 2012 17:47:41
I have my concerns with FSG always, but i think they very much need to put everything on the right track or else it would be bad for the future of the club.

Not only about Financial matters they need to address, the managing & management has to improve very much.

An England based CEO very very important to manage the day today running of the club. FSG better hurry..

Bosco


Wow. Medication kicking in Bosco? That was an almost sane post. Keep up the good work.
Bigbadben


I actually agree with this as well. I think someone (other than Ayre) who can represent FSG on a day to day basis would be a good thing- no idea who that would be though.

Any thoughts on who would make a good CEO-type for LFC moving forward?

RDL


David Dein?

Andy K


 

 

06 Sep 2012 17:42:12
Shelvey scores!!!


 

 

06 Sep 2012 17:24:42
So far we have had the "one of those days" games (West Brom), the "unlucky today" (Man City) and the "2 games in one week" (Arsenal) excuses, what we will be next?!


Good win today


I'd go for the international break! :)


A beach ball ruined the game


An easy win at Sunderland & a battering to man united

YNWA- Back Up or Pack Up


 

 

06 Sep 2012 17:21:42
Samid Yesil just have scored a wonderful goal. hopefully he'll get a bit of time from Rodgers! Jackie. YNWA, JFT96


Against who?


 

 

06 Sep 2012 17:21:02
Yesil just scored a cracking goal

barnesjnr777


 

 

06 Sep 2012 17:10:28
I think sterling, morgan, and yesil will all come good for us of given a run....
Yesil looks like the real deal, definately a poacher, all this talk of him being too young is nuts, hold old do you have to be to kick a ball into a net?
Morgan again is a natural finisher, nuisance around the box, bit like a defoe.
Sterling is defintly the best prospect, least striker-like of them, but I reckon in a front 3 he would work out.
Not sure about Ngoo, but he still has good feet for a big man.

The other option is why dont we play 4-5-1 for a bit? we've got more midfielders than the rest of the league put together!!


Ngoo is miles better than Morgan


 

 

06 Sep 2012 17:08:36
Someone passed me the other day with his young son.

They both had on the latest Liverpool shirts.

The shirt looks like a cheap copy bought from a backstreet stall.

The old Liverpool real red and YNWA Liver bird are far superior. Not this horrible orange colour.

Yuck !

Redtop missile


Fans, huh?

StrabaneRed


Is there anything, just anything that people won't moan about?


I agree , next thing they will want warrior out as well as the owners!!
Boofs bro


Incase people didn't get that...He misses the old times and is fed up with cheap, fake "plastic" fans.

StrabaneRed


Yes let's judge people/fans on mere appearance and media led stereotypes...


 

 

06 Sep 2012 17:04:17
I hate when people say "This is a rebuilding period" - "It takes time". How long have we been saying that, and how long are "we" going to continue saying it before people Kop on?

It's like our new excuse for being sh!t.

Moaning doesn't help, but being realist and acceptant of mediocrity helps the anguish.

Underdogs4life


Look were rebuilding its gonna take time, get behind the team. Not everyone can win the league so stop obsessing.


I agree, look at Newcastle last season, look Chelsea this season loads of new players yet instant ability and team coherence. Its as much about the individuals as it is the team in many respects. You need the blend I agree but if players cant find the back of the net then the wrong indivduals have been signed or perhaps quite simply we just need an eff-ing goal scorer!

cheers jk


Well, we've sacked three managers in three years.

So we have to start the 'rebuilding period' again each time, don't we? You can plainly see the effect of it with Kenny signing Carroll and then Rodgers deciding that Carroll didn't suit him 18 months later.

This is why we have to keep Rodgers for a while, too, btw.

- Something Red -


At least we are trying to rebuild with a young team, so maybe in time, things will happen and then we can stay there this time. Patience and faith in the manager, players and yes, the owners/board will go a long way!

Keith


I cant believe that 2 people disagreed with -Something Red -. If you keep changing major parts of your make up, you do have to start again. Those being either owners, manager or squad. Whether you think these are good decisions or not, this is the way it goes. Newcastle have, in majority, the same starting line up bar a couple + same owners and same manager, and the same with Chelsea. Like it or not, much of United's success if from stability. The dont have the best squad or staerting 11 right now, or are even playing the best football but with a relatively ok squad over the last two season, they finished top and second. Stability is a good thing and something we do not have.

We are at year zero. Lets look upward from there.

Andy K


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:56:00
Hey Ed's isn't Kevin Keegan a free agent, he could still do a job for us? (I've heard the away dressing room shower is full of Craig Johnston's matted hair, that needs sorting!)

Just though I'd jump on the free agent bandwagon, but all the 'good' ones are gone!


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:55:01
Win, Lose, Draw
Play Well, Play poor
Good owners, Bad Owners
Rich,Poor
Premiership, Non-league

I'll still LOVE Liverpool FC

UCCM


Its impossible not to.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:52:38
I'm sorry but all these people wanting owners like man c and chelsea its ridiculous I think FSG are going to be great owners in the future they are just learning through their mistakes. Think about it they did invest a lot of money into the club not just through players but getting us out of the bad position we was in but they also have kept put best payers they are not selling the likes of Suarez, agger etc.. People need to just wait BR I recon will be great for us but we need to actually stick behind LFC you bunch of miserable gits


There comes a time when 'the future' actually arrives, and to constantly refer to the desire for success as ridiculous, or unrealistic is extremely naive.


The future can never arrive as you are only ever in the present moment at anytime


Well there is no chance of the future arriving for liverpool fans then, as they arnt even in the present,theyre in the past


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:48:12
Hi eds & reds fans all over the world the last few years has really got me thinking about liverpool football club and all the rubbish thats has happend an is said mostly on here lol people fans older fan just sit back and reember back to your first time watching liverpool on tv or that first time at anfield win lose or draw it made you the supporter you are one thats never cared about the politics who owend the club who we bought who we dident we just loved liverpool got behined them an supported them if they lost there was always next week or for the last 22 years next season lol but when they do win its the best feeling ever so i hope yous like me just get behind our team let the politics sort them self an soon we will be back were we belong winning matches or as we say in DONEGAL jimmeys winning matches and its been 20 years for them so liverpools time will be soon keep the faith
liverpool till i die


Best post ive read in absolutely ages, love it :D

clm96p


Does anyone fear for prem survival with no goal scorers gerrard outform with goalie the worst strike force in the prem continue to over spend 15 mil for allen need to start winning


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:44:39
this isnt a rumour but a hypothetical situation that i am really eager to find a serious answer about.

If it gets to the january transfer window and liverpool have had a disasterous half season campaign which sees them in a serious relegation predicament, will there be investment in the team? i know the obvious answer is yes, buy players and make the team safe, but is it possible fsg would say no, were not spending big money when we might be relegated and have to pay big money in the championship... financial ruin like leeds and portsmouth etc.

would the money be available or not is my question.


I would hope so...because they'd lose more money long term by us being relegated, so I think they'd be wise enough to realize that. lol. Then again it's FSG.

Not happening though!

StrabaneRed


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:29:14
Fowler, Owen, Gudjohnsen.... Have you lot gone mental? They are/were free agents for a reason. We might as well offer gazza and john barnes a contract each as well.
There is a youth team for a reason and this could be the chance that some of thoes lads have been dreaming of. And don't forget its where owen and fowler came from in the first place.
Dinger.


How about Gary McAllister


We were going to offer barnes a contract but warrior don't do a shirt big enough


John Barnes would win us the league


Hes a fat old man {Ed002's Note - I am doing what I can to keep in shape.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:27:36
To all LFC supporters,

Hence the word Supporters we support or team, through think and thin. At the moment things arnt great but or time will come. The great thing about Liverpool is the club, fans players through the years we stick together. As our great song says, when you walk through the storm hold your head up high, this is what us the fans have to do. At games give or support to whoever is in the liverpool shirt and get the team through this ruff patch i am sure if we show the players how great we are as supporters it will lift them and also the staff. BELIEVE PEOPLE Liverpool is still great and we will get to where we belong, TEAM = Together Everyone Achieves More


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:31:42
We don't need any free transfers, the squad is decent, it has strength of depth in defence and midfield, Reina just has to sort his mind out, Gerrard just has to cut out believing he has to do it all by himself, and we just need to become a little more decisive in front of goal, I think most would agree that these are not major problems and with a little bit of fine tuning and hard work the good results will come.

Callis


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:30:34
No matter what you think of the owners you have to support the manager and the team. Without the fans support where would liverpool be as a club.The Arsenal fans were louder then us in that game thats not acceptable in anfield. If everyone stays fit our first team is strong if we get injuries or suspensions then it will give youth a go. I was as dissapointed as anyone on friday my brother was angry because he got Carroll on the back of his new shirt when they first came out lol i told him not to.Things could be a lot worse if fsg didn't step in, look at the likes of Rangers and Portsmouth who could see that 5 years ago.As a fan im going to support my club always through the wins and the draws the crossbars and the dogy ref's. I would love to go to a 60,000 seater stadium at stanely park and see players like Cavani play with Suarez but we have to get real this may not be our time to expect unrealistic targets and world class players but in a few years we will be right up there im sure, liverpool is like a inactive volcano and one day it will explode into the world stage once again.
Also i think people need to lay of stevie a bit and remember the times he use to win us games by himself hitting 30 yard goals in FA cup finals.People can slate him but he does not pick himself the manager picks him in the team he's loyalty should not be taken lightly.If he is not playing well enough then the manager has to make some tough choices .As i grew up watching him i will always have stevie's back even if one newspaper gave him a 3 out of ten against Arsenal : ( .

Red raj


That's the thing mate if gerrard isn't playing well the manager never drops him.
He does pick himself.

MIKEY


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:20:53
Forbes rich list
1. Manchester United - $2.235bn (£1.396bn)
2. Real Madrid - $1.877bn (£1.17bn)
3. Barcelona - $1.307bn (£816m)
4. Arsenal - $1.292bn (£807m)
5. Bayern Munich - $1.235bn (£770m)
6. AC Milan - $989m (£615m)
7. Chelsea - $761m (£473m)
8. Liverpool - $619m (£385m)
9. Juventus - $591m (£367m)
10. Schalke 04 - $587m (£365m)
11. Tottenham Hotspur -$564m (£351m)
13. Manchester City - $443m (£275m

What a shame we are no. 8 rich team in the world and can't sign class players if not world class


Sooo true my friend. walcott, llorente, negredo are all class but we can't sign them because our owners have decided to be tighter than newbie in a Mexican prison. We need to sell to buy is what they say.....how can we if we have nothing to sell? we got ride of everyone now to get players we have to sell the rest too? who's that going to help and what's that going to solve?

my take is we are now down to 20 players registered for PL team. 4 of them are goalies.

so now should be the time to start adding without having taking away right? or am i missing something here?

in the January window we need to put the adam, ecclestone, spearing and carroll (loan) money together and buy pierre aubameyang - around £7m

and buy a goal scoring CF with the money that we are going to get from selling carroll is the summer. £17m

that would mean that so far FSG wouldn't have spent a single pound on transfers. which they can then just give BR backing by giving him a £10m budget for him to decide if he wants to add more in January or wait for the summer.

if FSG want to build a team that can bring them success they should not resort to selling their best players to buy others for different positions to then only having to replace the players we lost again.


What is really a shame is that our wage bill is (or at least was) more than double that of Everton and Newcastle and quite a bit bigger than Spurs yet we finished behind all of them last year.

Our league position needs to be somewhat inline with our wage bill, or vice versa.


That rich list tells anyone who is interested what a tough job fsg have, to turn lfc around.20yrs ago lfc would have been at the top of that list or very close to it and had been there for years.back then my own club arsenal where behind aston villa if my memory serves me right,.its is going to be a long hard road getting back there but it is do-able, arsenal done it so why cant liverpool
trev the gooner


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:09:22
FSG and Rodgers have a plan of their own. Don't expect them to be telling everything that they are planning would you? So stop moaning and support the club. If you can't support us, choose Citi.


I assume you're a City fan. Isn't that why you want us to support them?

You people who scream "Go support someone other than Liverpool" are too easy.

It's disgraceful.

Go watch golf.

I bet that's the sport you really like!


I do like a nice cheese sandwich!!


Wats wrong with golf!!!
fowlerisGod


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:15:23
Its funny how everyone moans about not getting Sturridge, walcott or Dempsey. If you guys go to the archive and look at posts months back, everyone was hating in those players and everyone dreaded them to join us. Well, they didn't so we should be happy that FSG dis not gwt the players we want. We got what we wished for. So once again, its our fault honestly.


I for one am glad we never got sturridge ( over rated), Walcott ( headless chicken ) and Dempsey ( not bad but getting on ) I support Liverpool no matter what and you lot should too

Andy


Let me guess...it's those fans who didn't want those players who are now moaning?

lol. Wrong.

I was born a moaner.


Quite happy that we didnt sign any of the above but extremely unhappy we didnt bring in an experienced striker,every good team needs a blend of youth and experience.
NAVANRED


The only thing that EVERY liverpool fan has a problem with is not signing a striker when we let one go out on loan.

that's like selling reina, selling jones, releasing doni and not replacing them, then having gulacsi as the only 1st team keeper with Belford and Mersin as 2nd & 3rd choice.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:14:23
Hi Eds,

Cracking job,

Just wondering if you could clarify if the club are looking at any free agents instead of all this naming players and having no hope of getting them. I still believe in BR and liverpool will come good it may take a while but BELIEVE! YNWA {Ed002's Note - Interest was shown in Del Piero.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 16:08:02
3 players in the England u21 team. 2 possibly 3 in the full team. Not that bad for an English club in the English league.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:59:18
Hi eds a quick question is it true the loan window opens in the next week or so as I thought it shut the same day as the transfer window if I'm correct could we perhaps sign llorente on loan maybe.
Many thanks keep up the good work

Bangor eye dave YNWA {Ed002's Note - No, it is not true.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:53:49
Why a lot of fans are moaning look at teams like wigan or stoke or everton their fans don't moan like us we need to learn from them and except where we are liverpool has inspiring history but they are no different to wigans or stoke or everton we are miles away from big boys and except now will be a midtable team for few years


Shut up you clown.


That's because they accept mid table as a victory.. we shouldn't.

BthekingB


Wigan and Stoke no, Everton look in decent shape for top 6. We'll be alright sausage, and work on your grammar!


Another troll trying to get a reaction, and a few do react! Why not ignore, they'll get bored and go back to playing with their Barbie dolls eventually

samp


We are learning from them...that's why we're a mid-table team.


I doubt any so called mid table club has won the Champions League in the last 20 years..

Check out the names if you like...

At least I have my sign below my post...

LiverBird


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:52:37
There is no such thing as a 'free' agent. From what I have read in the past most agents are looking to line their own pockets at the expense of client and clubs!
Our squads were announced yesterday and we will have to make do with what we have. Having said that the MAJORITY of clubs would love to have our squad which is going to lead us to great things. Have no fear, success is near (not as near as we would like but it's on the way).
Dutchmal


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:45:11
Eds why are some are still banging on about free agents & suggesting the likes of Robbie Fowler! Owen was 17 when he got into the first team. I could argue that currently our best first team player is also 17 so why not give Tesil & Morgan an opportunity instead of this short sighted faith in those over the hill.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:34:26
Pongolle has gone to ROSTOV


Thank god for that, another waste of space that wasn't good enough

Carlos


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:32:01
I think one of the most important things Brendan said when he took over was that he'll first and foremost have to get this team competitive.
I agree totally.

This is a transitional season for us, both in personnel and playing style. It's about laying the foundations and building some bases.
Brendan was always going to need more a single transfer window to mould his squad and inculcate his philosophy and ethos.

So for me, personally, a successful will be represented by the ff:

1. players taking on board Brendan's methods and playing beautiful football
2. blooding of the youngsters: Sterling, Suso, Ngoo and Morgan, in particular
3. a top six finish, with top five of best defence and goals scored
4. go as far as possible in all cup competitions to give our young lads more and more minutes in competitive games

This would put us in good stead going into 2013/14. Players attuned to the pass-and-move, possession footy, Sterling, Suso and Ngoo could potenially save us millions in transfers spending, we may keep Sahin, sell Carroll for a decent fee, reinvest some of it and balance the books (very, very important).

Tbh, I had the exact same expectation of Kenny last season: competitiveness. I was under no illusions about that team's quality and prospects, more so after the summer debacle. We were no outright top 4 material, but we could have been competitive.

We should have consistently hovered round 5, and been a lot closer to 4. But that was dealt a blow even before we kicked a ball with possibly the worst expensive purchases in years.

When we eventually did kick the ball, we huffed and puffed, from one extreme to the other. Problems identified during the start of the season went on unrectified throughout and worsened.
Manager failing dismally to get his the majority of his new signings to perform.

As I said earlier, on paper, I didn't expect us genuinely challenge for 4th, but in retrospect, that's a exactly what we should have done.
Arsenal and Chelsea were disastrous for long periods of the season. Spurs spectacularly crumbled.
The scope for exploitation was there. Newcastle almost and probably should have got in.

But we took no notice of all that, let alone advantage. We went on bumbling. When it was clear that we needed a striker January, we failed to bring one. Newcastle did and look what that did for them.

If ever there was a chance of quick return to CL for us, it was last season. We FAILED, dismally.
In fact, that season, we regressed. Kenny couldn't improve on/maintain his past (half) season performance.
Home wins, goals-for-- absolute disaster.

I digress. This season I just wanna see my team play wonderful footy, goals being scored, putting together some good runs, the young lads being blooded in and the players enjoying their football.

I wanna see a Utd type mentality, spirit and resillience in our players. Very often we react negatively to going behind or conceding an equaliser.
It's been ages since I'd trust us to get a goal when we really needed one (i.e. 2008/09-Anfield-2 - 0 Chelsea, Torres brace, last ten minutes, OR Fulham-Craven Cottage-0 - 1, Benayoun, last five minutes).

I'm hoping Brendan instils in these boys fight, spirit and mettle.
I watched trailing Southampton 2 - 1 with about less then ten to go and said to my cousin, look at them come back not only draw level but win the whole damn thing. Ten min later they'd done just that.

Only if I could have the same confidence and assuredness in my own team.

Prince


Fantastic post, well thought out and considered. Some of the plebs on here should have a read and try and argue with any of it
Pieboy1812


Spot on mate


Brenden finished below liverpool were was the logic he could improve the team should have stuck with dalgliesh and clark


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:26:07
Question for eds,

Making the assumption that we cannot afford the star strikers, Damaio Llorente etc. we will have to look to cheaper less popular names. Do you think Liverpool may have interest in Nicklas Helenius, 21, from Denmark. Plays for Aalborg, 6 foot 5 seems to have decent skill for that size and not a bad scoring record. Don't know if values on transfermrkt.co.uk are accurate but they have as under 2MM pounds, even if you double it might not be a bad bet. If not any other less well known names we could target?

Thanks
YNWA {Ed002's Note - I don't know of any interest in him.}


Having spent a good deal of time getting rid of a 6'3 donkey, i don't think rodgers would be too keen on buying an even larger one


Check out youtube of him. guy has decent skills. not just a peter crouch andy carroll remake.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:23:43
Maybe LFC should put in a PPI claim to raise funds


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:18:53
I think its embarrising that the owner of Liverpool Football Club has to write a open letter to the fans and apologizing, when he clearly has done nothing wrong... i also hoped to get a player or two in the last day, but when we didnt, i chose to see the good things... Allen is Class, nothing to say about that... borini is still young but very promising player, abit the same with assaidi...

we have gotten a STAR player in Sahin, at the same time we got rid of some deadweight and players who just wasnt good enough... we have opened for more game time for our youngsters, and is clearly building a team, instead of just buying good players...

But the ting that annoys me the most, and alot of the douchebags dont wanna talk about, is how we secured our best players on new contract instead of selling(Suarez, Skrtel, agger plus we kept johnson etc etc)

So many thing they did right this window, and they gave BR a team that he feel confident with, and thats the most important thing for me.

Again i think its embarrising to treat the owners this way, and if you are one of the "Get the Yanks HOME" folks, then u should really look a what they have done, and not what they didnt do the last day, i for once am looking forward to the day LFC is once again a well driven club. Something the americans is workin hard to do, i am really sorry for my bad english, and hope to get some "angry" replies...

Croatian_Red


Good post. Whoever disagrees is a troll. I believe the funds were there to get dempsey, but Ayre messed up. The fans r reacting as if we missed out on messi. get over it, im sure the owners will invest in a striker in jan.
Indian Buzzer


Good posy Croatian_Red mate. The overreaction needs to stop.

The real AG


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:17:02
Well, those who wants FSG to spend big, ITS POSSIBLE!! They can just loan tons of money and buy any players from your fantasy teams.... and put us into administration. FSG can afford to spend big for the red sox , is because they laid a stable foundation there that allows them to spend big, without losing money, due to commercial deals and sponsorships. Sports in the USA don't require transfer fees in buying/selling players. Instead, they trade players, and for those who didn't know, FSG got rid of the all stars with crazy wages in their team and brought in new young talents. It can be done the same to us, but in a different manner, so i hope fans can be patient as you cannot expect instant results. Even Roman and Mansour could'nt make their teams succeed in their first season as owners (they spent tons btw). Compared to us, im more relieve that we aren't owned by shieks as their playthings and throw them aside when they got bored e.g, Malaga (their owner bought them so he could win favour to built some stuff in malaga).

KOPZRY


Who said anything about wanting FSG to spend big, borrow a load of money and put us into administration you fool?

We just wanted a decent striker who could put the ball in the net? If FSG had handled things professionally, backed Brendan Rodgers properly and didn't cock everything up regarding Clint Dempsey, then the fans & Rodgers would be content now.

Instead we are left with just two strikers up until January. January is notoriously difficult to get teams to part with players for a reasonable price. It will be incredibly difficult now for Rodgers to land a proven 20 goal a season striker (like Dempsey) on the cheap in January.

If you are happy with the situation we are in KOPZRY, then you are a bigger fool than I first thought.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:12:35
Running out of options for free agents, what about DJ Campbell ? If the deadline has passed for 25 man squad, can we still sign someone ? {Ed002's Note - DJ Campbess is not a free agent.}


What is wrong with playing Morgan or Yesil?


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:10:04
I don't understand why some fans are moaning FSG are the owners of liverpool fc and we are supporters if they want liverpool to get religated or play in championship or be midtable its their club we need to surpport or else go surpport another team its simple FSG own liverpool and its their choice


 

 

06 Sep 2012 15:04:05
Hi to all of those kids out there. Football is not that simple as you see on FIFA, FM or any other stupid games. Nor buying a club is as simple as giving the money then *poof* you get the club. Buying a club includes procedures and the previous yanks borrowed money to buy us (using future money that may not come). What FSG is trying to do is to allow us to sustain ourselves without incurring losses (obviously for them as well). This transfer window was unfortunate, not that they did not want to back us up, but because of misunderstanding between Ayre and FSG. As for buying a player, there are many components in buying a player, what you see on games is not at all accurate AT ALL. This is the real world and things are different, people aren't progammed and things may change even at the most oddest moments. They have to pay the agent fees, visa, transfer fees, bonuses and for some players they have fees that the club must pay to allow the use of theier image, or even 3rd party who owns the player. Things are much more complex in the real world, it very unpredictable. One moment you may seem to be in the driving seat, the next moment, bam you lost. So what i feel is that everyone should be more sensible, and understanding to FSG, yes they may have made mistakes in the transfer deadline, but look at it long term. I believe that the future of our club will be bright and we can show the world that football can be profitable without being the playthings of those shieks and tycoons.

I would also request that the eds make a new section for moaners and little kids, for our viewing pleasure at their displeasure :)


At last the voice of reason, to many PS2 football managers commenting on here, nice to have a sensible well informed adult summary. maybe a section "fantasy football Managers banter" would be a good title for the new section.


I think it's probably ps3 actually grandpa ;)


It's not just kids, it's grown men too people want everything yesterday and it's not that easy


I was angry at the fact we needed a striker, we did nt get one so yeah understand we should not condemn fsg, but surely bying a striker would nt put us into administration.

paisleys lad


 

 

06 Sep 2012 14:59:01
sorry eds for having a moan, i know we're all not happy at the sad state of our club, but the supporters are getting worse than ever. Against arsenal last week, the section of away fans out sung and out chanted an entire home crowd. i remember being in the stands at the 4-4 game when rafa was still there and we were chasing down utd. stuck within the arsenal end, i remember jumping and shouting like mad when we scored and came close. it was obvious to the arsenal fans that i was in the wrong end but they applauded my support for my team. however last week when arsenal fans chanted , wheres your famous atmosphere? it could be heard as clear as day above our fans. it rings echos of so much truth it hurts. come on 12th men, we are called supporters, so lets support, and make a fearsome atmosphere at anfield to inspire our own and strike fear into those who visit


 

 

06 Sep 2012 14:40:06
eds, given the financial plight of athletico madrid, the sale of falcao in jan is a sure thing. with rumours of chelsea and city intrest do you think we could possibly work a loan deal for any of their strikers ( excluding the brat that is sturridge ), would happily take dzeko, torres as striking option. {Ed002's Note - The only other first team striker Chelsea has is Torres. Manchester City will look to sell Dzeko.}


They brought moses and have Lukaku on loan to brom..so they might call him if necessary..plus where is Piazon ed ? has he been loaned out ? {Ed002's Note - Lukaku cannot be recalled. Piazon is at the club playing in the reserves.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 14:37:00
Hello Eds and fellow supporters

Sorry if this has been answered before, but in what areas does our club lose so much money? It cannot be due to wages alone.

On the other hand, it really think that some of the fans should calm down. Ed said before that FSG's net spend must be in order of more or less 130m.
And even without a full nowledge of the whole matter, that sounds very realistic to me.

Just imagine once our club starts earnig money, (thanks to FSG!) their investment might go right into the team or the stadium. Ok I know its naive to believe that they will invest these 50 m plus the earned money into the team, but I firmly believe that FSG cannot be satisfied with a midtable team.

Everybody should remember where we were 18 months ago and not believe that the other takeover candidates would have been any better. Remember, we once firmly believed that H+G were better than DCI(who are alomst bakrupt now)!!

None of us can be sure that FSG will be the ideal owner, the Dempsey saga didn't help their image, nor do J.W. Henry's letters to the fans, but come on!

Everybody is so overwhelmed by the Dortmund Model, but very few LFC fans here, stating we should be inspired by Dortmund know how painful the years 2004 til 2010 were for this club and it's fabulous supporters! I remember it well! They had no team and no perspective but an enormous stadium that they first had to sell so survive, and then many years later to rebuy... But Watzke and Zork had a vision and a perspective they just needed to find the right coach to compete with youngsters, real kids, almost no senior players were left! At the beginning these enthousiastic kids were smashed by their fully professionnel and experienced opponents but they grew together and they now all run through brickwalls for Kloppo.

At the moment we have a team, ok perhaps we are lacking a real striker, we have s small stadium but its ours, we will have to invest in it, and we have a coach who develops a model for this club just like Kloppo did.

Lets give him time, wanting his head after 3 matches is ridiculous. The team will deliever, I'm sure, because when the going gets tough, the tough get going, and we will see whether they are tough or not, just like Kloppos kids.

Marc {Ed002's Note - The loss is based on more being spent on wages, transfer fees, operations, etc. than comes in from commercial, competition, gate and media sources.}


Thanks Ed

Marc


 

 

06 Sep 2012 14:23:43
Eds, could we get Alvaro Negredo or Roberto Soldado in the next transfer window? {Ed002's Note - I would doubt it.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 14:21:00
Just heard something today which is interesting. Apparently when Carroll was loaned to West Ham, the deal to sign Huntelaar was pretty much done. There were then a few issues which came up and it all suddenly collapsed. Still, you have to wait until one deal is tied up before letting your player go.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 14:20:59
Anyone else share my view that Stevie g should quit international football. He's injury prone and most of his recent injuries have been from international duty. Our squad is paper thin so our players need as much rest as they can g
et, particularly those in their 30's. Club before country all day long.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 14:18:41
Hi eds and fellow reds,
Could Royston Drenthe be a target for Liverpool now?
Do you think Theo Walcott and/or Daniel Sturridge will be targets come the January transfer window? {Ed002's Note - I don't see Drenthe as being an option. At this time, I really doubt TW or DS could join without a player being sold to raise the funds.}


We must be skint!


When does Sturridge's contract expire? I read on TransferMarket that it expires June 2013, other sites say it expires in 2014. Which is correct?


 

 

06 Sep 2012 14:18:39
frustrations - 1) we keep reading LFC missed this target and that target in the transfer market, 2) we are all bemaoning the factbthatbwe can't score goals, keep hitting the post etc etc...

Got me thinking...IRONY of this, then we all are calling for a proper goal striker to score goals and a proper CEO figure head to lead LFC into the future...

IRONY, amazing how the clubs organizational side is shadowed by the onfield situation...

FSG please appoint a proper CEO, and a striker

Love LFC, win or lose YNWA

big A


 

 

06 Sep 2012 14:15:01
Eds is being sarcastic numb heads! In other words he is saying he is too old.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 14:10:03
Love this Site Ed's - thanks for all your hard work

Please post on rumour page as it's the only one I read and am responding to numerous posts on there re Free Agents and can we bring back....

Firstly, it was an obvious 'administrative error' (otherwise known as a screw up) not to have paid £5m or £6m for Dempsey. And the Club have admitted as much. Let's move on.

Now, the way I see it, this season was never going to be about challenging for the Prem Title (yes there are some on here who think we should have bought 4 or 5 world class players to challenge the Manc clubs and Chelsea - was never going to happen this season). But it was going to be a transition season, not just in terms of the manager but transitioning out some older players the team (and style of play) has been based around for the past decade (Stevie G, Carra) and introducing new methods/system, adding a few new players who can play within the system, and more importantly blooding some of the younger talent that's been in our reserves for the past few seasons.

Shelvey and Sterling have been regulars in the first team this season and they're looking like stars of the not too distant future. Hopefully Suso gets a chance in the first team this season too.

Also, looking at our fixtures in the last half of the season, we have what could be seen as a relatively easy run from Feb/Mar on, so we could potentially pickup 15 points or so on our rivals. So if BR and the guys we have now can keep us around 5-7 in the league come Jan then it might be that the owners could see the value in spending some cash in adding 1 or 2 top players that could help us push for a Champions League spot - which is what the goal should be for this season.

Thanks for reading

BigAussieRed


 

 

06 sep 2012 13:58:01
blah blah sook sook sook. heard it all here before, doom and gloom. we are liverpool fc but we are not the lfc of the 70's and 80's. rodgers will get it right. why? because he is a football tragic. anyone that writes a 180 page report and sells it to the owners knows what he is doing. give him time he will make lfc powerful again. we dont need players that are overpaid mercernairies. he has not invented a new system. the system has been a part of the club for a very long time. 4-3-3 and play out from the back. the wingers become part of the midfield in a 4-5-1 formation in defence. call it pass and move or tika taka makes no difference. the only thing i see in the squad at the moment is some older players that are coming to the end of their careers. players like gerrard, carragher and co must be the teachers on and off the pitch, with rogers the head master. the system becomes part of the culture and the culture becomes part of the system. we have at lfc taken for granted that we have won all the titles that other clubs envy. ferguson has done nothing special at man u except for one thing. he took a group of talented youngsters many years ago and made them one of the most powerful teams in europe. so there lies the question what have we liverpool done in the last 20 years with our youngsters, answer **** all! we have relied upon a handful and on many occasions one or two to save us in games. those players are getting older. rogers needs a team that he can mould for the future and then bring in a few leaders. such as ferguson did with cantona for utd. finally practice makes perfect. rant over come on you reds.

red from shepp


Quite simply what a load of b*******


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:48:08
Venkeys are better owners the FSG. They backed their manager with rhodes. FSG are a joke


You for real? That is the worst comment I've read on here, pathetic

Jordan


How can posts like the one above get through eds? Surely if this is off a educated football fan he can see that his view is ridiculous?

Although all are allowed there own opinions and viewpoint it sometimes makes us as fans look daft. All for constructive criticism but random statements like above are daft.

Mike S {Ed002's Note - Given the abuse that FSG has gotten from the Liverpool fans this week I imagine a lot of folk agree with the poster.}


Oh yes, venkys are good, the supply their team with free chickens. Even venky's chicken packaging has the players on it! And 8mill for Rhodes? THATS A BARGAIN MAN!


I am rather amused by these comments, expecially Liverpool fans commenting on bargains, you would love Rhodes at £8m, you paid £11m for Borini, and have two recognised strikers in the squad.

Charlie Adam paid £10m sold for £4m

Carroll, Downing Henderson.......shall I keep going?


2 recognised strikers? we have Suarez, Borini, Morgan, Yesil, Ngoo, Pacheco.

And what has it got to do with you anyway?


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:40:00
The Average age of people posting on here must be 13!! Seriously talking about changing ownership and sacking BR and this and that and this and that!! its 3 games into the season the transfer window didnt go the way we planned but so what we strengthend the squad in other area's. Remember the words to You'll never walk alone?? when you walk through a storm hold your head up high!! I can honestly say 90% of people on here and on twitter sending death threats to John Henry and his Wife need to bury their heads as low as they can go because for the first time i'm ashamed to call my self a Liverpool Fan and this isnt because of the way were playing but the abuse alot of you give after being 3 games in.

Rant Over!

RR!


I'm disappointed with aspects of our transfer activity. However, we have brought in good players and youth will get an opportunity to show their worth. I will support the team always but my expectations for this season are now slightly lower.

Jag


Yeah rant somewhere else. Fans who wear rose tinted specs on here.


Un-named poster, I don't understand how supporting your club is called wearing rose-tinted spectacles. You're expecting instant success, with a new style being introduced? If anything, that makes you deluded.

Alex


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:39:30
God I wish some wealthy billionaire would come and offer to pay for my life, mortgage etc too but it isn't going to happen is it? Why should LFC be any different? Almost every person and business in the world has to it run itself and not be propped up by some wealthy benefactor and the same applies to LFC.

FSG have bought the club and are trying to run it properly, within its own means, the same business model for every business out there. Some fans are acting like spoilt brats because our owners refuse to plunge our club debt and by this very notion are ruining our club!

Honestly get a grip! Yes deadline day was not ideal and mistakes were made by both the board and the manager. The whole Dempsey/Carroll saga was a shambles all round, no denying that but apologies have been offered and we now must move forward. I am confident this will be rectified in January with a signing or two so let's give it our all until then and see where we are. Let's get behind the club and pull in the same direction.

But please, let's put this crazy idea to bed that FSG are bad for our beloved LFC because they are anything but.

Thanks,

Davey


Well said Davey

KJS


Just a shame they run there baseball team like man city do there football team


City operates at a loss. Red Sox don't. Is that the same?


Does anyone know of a poor billionaire?

Puzzled


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:38:57
why are people asking about barrios he is not a free agent he plays in the chinese league


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:38:14
Sahin will come good..not yet match fit but deffo looked the part! Borini and Suarez have to swap positions!Steve g needs to play a normal centremid role not supporting up top!Morgan got his chance last week and was played out on the right wtf?hes been put about as the next Fowler and we play hin on the right!


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:34:25
Liverpool will not be signing any free agents. They will give one of the youngtsers a go. They will recall Carroll in Jan, Due to this causing disruption in the camp with senior players. FSG are not interested in selling either.

Very good source intel.

Jason Kitchen, (Speedy Legend)


Why should we bring Carroll back just because senior players aren't happy? If they don't like it, they know where the door is. BR is the manager, not them.


Senior players not happy? So this must be gerrard and carra then? Im sick of these two running the club when they feel like it but yet their performance on the pitch is dire at best... I think its time gerrard was dropped to bench and shelvey given a run in the team. Honestly its like comedy club!

Ian the red


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:24:36
Hello Ed's
Many fans wishing FSG out, are they planning on selling at all and if a good offer comes will they sell ? Worried if they do Brendan Rodgers Future May not be good ?

Thanks
GAM {Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:22:23
to say we are not a champions league club is utter rubbish. Ok we havnt been in the competition for what 4 years? Before then we were pretty much guarenteed a place in the competition. Just because we have had a few problems recently does not mean we are not contending this year. Are spurs and newcastle champions league clubs now in your opinion just because they have had a bit of success? I hope you are not a fan because having such a negative attitude wont help the cause


How can it be utter rubish your either in it or not liverpool arnt in it were is the rubish come into it apart from your comments


What are you on about lol.liverpool are not a CL club cause they arnt good enough to get in it and its been that way for a number of years.take your red glasses off and you will see the cold light of day. simples


 

 

06 sep 2012 13:22:17
shoot me it the maths are not correct.
if we could get 500,000 liverpool supporters to buy and equal share of the club at £1,600 each then that would generate £800 million to buy the club and invest in players. how much do you think we could buy the club for eds? {Ed002's Note - It is not going to happen, sorry.}


If lfc fans wont pay or cant pay the ticket prices to fill anfield every week i doubt your plan will take off


Who's in charge of those 500,000 shares? You? What a joke of a post


Isnt this how barcalona are owed by the fans who elect a president?their club isnt in a bad way is it?
deano mcc {Ed002's Note - It is rather mopre complicated than this.}


Its not that simple as you think. People nowadays just gets the wrong idea after playing video games.


OMFG.....are you for real? Keep taking the prescriptions mate


Ed002 what if a share scheme was introduced i remember rogan taylor bring this up,am not a fan of his just liked the sounds of the idea,what if51% of liverpool was owned by the fans giving us the majority and 49% was on the stock market for investers bit like what man u are doing now.we vote on a board an a elected chairmen president whatever he and the board run the club?we sold for extra investment which we aint getting all we are getting is someone else making are descions an taking are future profit which will come when a stadium is fianally built!
deano mcc {Ed002's Note - None of Manchester United is owned by the fans and the owners would never float the majority of the business and "selling" does not mean extra investment. If 50% of the club were sold via floatation none of that money goes to the club. You don't understand the finances - I am sorry but this is not going to happen.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:10:15
Lets be honest FSG have good intentions just dont have the resources needed. Some of the things they have done after the takeover were laughable like the blind leading the blind. Others have been ok like thinking about reducing the age of the squad. I just feel how much further can they take liverpool.Not much further then they have done. The best thing for them would be to look for any intrested parties or like the eds said float the club on the stock market. Most fans are disgusted at the way they got rid of all those players and never even signed Dempsey. I think the fans have made their feelings clear and want owners who will Build or expand the stadium and Buy players without selling. We need owners who will not just talk about things but act here and now. This club has been sinking in the last few years being left behind buy the rest of the big boy's. FSG are decent people and to some degree dont deserve the level of abuse they have got. Saying that on transfer deadline day they made the biggest mistake of their rein and it will cost them more then Dempsey would have cost.
The fans are very important to football clubs and our fans do not want fsg anymore. What will they do next sell up surely thats the only way for this club to move forward. I know a lot of people dislike Owen but i think if had we signed him on a free then it would have not just given us more options but it would have raised the morale of the players,staff, and most of the fans.

Agent X


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:15:54
We could do with Carlos Slim Helu.......the worlds richest man, buying LFC.
Being Mexican I'm sure he likes footy. His wealth makes Sheikh Mansour look like a pauper.

Hey, you can only dream !


Isn't he already in FSG in some way cheers pk


FSG franchised NESV from Carlos Slim, correct me if im wrong ed's?

Sam Adzii jft96 {Ed002's Note - Nothing like correct.}


He only likes baseball.


Carlos slim owned The New York Times. If I'm not mistaken and fsg had very small amount of share in it ,that the link as far as I know . But could be wrong .cheers psv {Ed002's Note - Slim is an investor in the NYTs and the NYTs invested in FSG. Slim has nothing to do with FSG.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:11:49
Gerrard needs to be dropped for a few games


He needs to get back playin as a centre midfielder and not supporting the front three!!


Just delete a few games and i think your right.


Personally i think he is getting frustrated as witnessed by the tackle on the arsenal lad vermaelen,he could have been sent off for that.i think he should retire


 

 

06 Sep 2012 13:06:56
Birmingham City agree a deal with Swansea City to sign striker Leroy Lita on a three-month emergency loan when the loan window reopens on Saturday. The 27-year-old passed a medical at St Andrews and could make his debut at Nottingham Forest on 15 September

Copied from BBC, I am probably being naive but can LFC not do anything similar or do they not qualify?

Andy Npton Red {Ed002's Note - If LIverpool were in the Championship, then they could take Leroy Lita on loan.}


Maybe next season


Damn, another one we missed out on.

davethebutcher


 

 

06 Sep 2012 12:59:12
How about this.... rather than talk tosh regarding Robbie coming back to play, they actually take him on the coaching team to show the squad how to kick the ball BETWEEN the posts and not at or around them?

Surely that would be worth 15-20 goals a season and Robbie can still keep his hamstrings in his legs!

Marshy


 

 

06 Sep 2012 12:58:37
Hi eds, can you please confirm something for me........ I have just seen the squad announcements for the season and seen that Borini is in the Under 21 squad and not the premier league one. Does this mean that he is registered to play in the new Under 21 league and not the premiership?? {Ed002's Note - Under 21 players do not need identifying for the league.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 12:42:04
Boston Red Sox: currently third highest mlb payroll at about 173 million; currently with 24 games left to be played they are 15 games behind first place in the American League East Division. Somehow, I doubt that the Red Sox are making FSG much money this year or the last and probably the next and I believe it's part of the reason FSG seem to be struggling or appear to be spread thin at the moment. Maybe instead of blindly thinking that they are capable of helping LFC, we should start thinking that they might be way more capable of hurting LFC than helping in the long run. Just a thought . . .


 

 

06 Sep 2012 12:38:47
we need 2 keep our strikers fit till january an see wat we can add then, let the kids play the europa league games not worth risking them. Forget about lorente an champions league players the only quality players we will get is young uproven talent, Hope our scouts are good.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 12:35:31
fsg 18 months ago said when john w henry an fsg bought the club we wont make statements of intent and promises like the prevouse owners about what we will be spending but he said i can tell you now we come here to win!we are winners!then went on to say we are second biggest spenders in baseball second to the yankess whos income is a lot bigger than the redsox.
18 months later he makes a statement about we need to improve are income and moaning about the vast spending of rivals which he is hopeing uefa will stop by ffp.we are now 5th maybe 6th biggest spenders in fact am not sure but did qpr spend more than us?
you get what you pay for you spend like a mid table team you get mid table!
deano mcc


Dalglish spent 100 million and finished mid table. Arsenal spend next to nothing and are always in the top 4. the problem with liverpool is that they have had 4 different managers in the last 4 seasons each with a different vision on how to play. It is going to take a few seasons to correct this and get a well balanced team.


Or you spend over 115mil on mid table players you end up a mid table team.take the blinkers off please


Have you not heard of something called net spend?fsg av spent 44million in 4 windows!after the sale of torres 50 mill meriles14 mill babel 6 mill adam 4 mill kuyt 1 mill maxi 1 mill? ngog 4 mill do you get the picture mate?thats 11 mill on average per window a read somewere.they have cut about 14 mill in wages this summer alone from the next 12 months.we bring in 180 mill last apperntly an the 16 we apperntly only spent this window after sales comes out that income not from fsg pocket from us buying season tickets 700 pound a pop 50 quid a pop for football kits and so on and so!wake up an smell the coffee mate!
deano mcc {Ed002's Note - You seem to have no grasp of the club's finances at all.}


Enlighten me ed002? so we have spent 115 mill on players with no return?am confussed?i think u just disagree with everything i put on here!if i say its black u say its white?? {Ed002's Note - You truly have no understanding at all about the finances of the club. Zero, nothing at all.}


Have fsg spent 115 mill or a figure like that on players or is it more like 44 mill after sales?did your beloved chelski give 50 mill on torres which we bought suarez and carrol with an also the babel money meaning dalglesh never spent a penny but still everyone was kiss fsg backside saying the have backed him to the hilt??answer the questions ed002 an stop with the insults!
deano mcc {Ed002's Note - You are simply picking a few numbers. Near everything you have written is palpable nonsense. You exclude the costs of running the club and paying wages and ignore the significance losses made over the past two years. A naive child like simplicity washes across your views on the half million throng paying £1,600 each to buy the club - it is quite frankly laughable. Like it or not, your posts are an embarrassment to the education system of this country if nothing else.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 12:31:40
Everyone talks about getting new owners who will put in the investment needed in the stadium and team but who is there that could actually buy us......

Personally i don't think FSG have the money to do what needs to be done and at the moment they are winging it cutting costs and stablising us but when thats done what next??? Someone got a magic wand??


Could go either way, could end up with someone like Roman, or alternatively we could have Venky's! In my opinion football is a crappy business to be in. If owners take any money for themselves they get a hammering for not reinvesting it all, if they don't plough their own money into it they are not committed. The only way it can be done is if someone with more money than sense buys a club as a hobby rather than an investment


Venkys back their manager


 

 

06 Sep 2012 12:00:14
I suggest people actually READ thd article by Mark Lawrenson in the Daily Post.
He puts the current situation in a nutshell.
He believes that IF a good offer comes in for the club. FSG will accept it.

Redeye


Yeah lets hope if some one does buy liverpool theyve got plenty of money & are willing to spend it ,cause lets face it chelsea won champions leauge & still spent 80mil on players .we finished in the wrong end of the top 10 & got rid of half are players ,come on weve so much potential please im sick of it every season ive high hopes & then bang the owners **** it up .come dubai take note


You tit, DIC are in financial ruin, lets get behind FSG they're running the club so it has a future. Just look at Malaga, their owners have lost interest and it looked like Ambramovich had 18 months ago, what happens to all these clubns when they decide they've had enough - wage bills in excess of turnover? stop moaning and get behind the club, this is why there is not atmosphere at the game, i get the impression that some fans are finishing the team get beat so they can say they told you so, go and watch Chelski or Citeh


Mark Lawrenson has had an axe to grind ever since his old chum Kenny was shown the door.

"Forget spending all that money on Carroll in the first place, or the likes of Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing. FSG can take that on the chin." - an £80m outlay to then just "take it on the chin"?

Do leave off! If Kenny had not squandered such a vast amount of money, money we needed to invest in the team, especially with know CL, then we would be in a much, much better position now.

Ash


Your a few hours to late with that info


What have FSG done that is so bad then? They got rid of Hodgson and got Kenny, which the know all fans wanted. They give Kenny over £120 million to then waste on dross. They then get a young, talented, forward thinking manager. They brought the age of the squad down, they lowered the wage bill as it was just ridiculous. Oh yeah, they didn't buy the saviour Clint Dempsey so they need to go now.


This kid ASH really does have a problem with King Kenny! You've been on here a few times having a pop at him lad and the money he spent but you NEVER mention how much he recouped on sales. I bet your one of these kids who never seen the great man play or realise just how much the club means to kenny and how much pain he went through with hillsbrough! Why dont you leave off big man and move on and realise this past summer had NOTHING to do with kenny as he was relieved of his duties at the club so this current mess has nothing to do with him and what he sppent last season, Open your mind and see that the owners dont have any big money because of the current financial climate and liverpool can't currently attract the big names without champs league football.


So is it official? just like city,chelsea and utd,liverpool fans want to buy success,so much for the liverpool tradition/way.i love these fans that only sing when they are winning.pathetic


To the guy who is having a go at 'Ash',

The mess we are in is not at all because of Kenny? Are you a bellend you plonker!

Kenny is an outstanding individual, he will always have the respect of us fans, but anybody with half a brain would know that whether you recouped the money through sales or not, Kenny DID spend close to 120 million pounds. What if Kenny had another 120 million to spend, do you think he would have not bought in players of a similar standard?

Also, this incredulous overspending on the likes of Carroll, Downing etc. means every other crappy player we are linked with will be inflated in price. You can thank Kenny and Comolli for that as well.

Just think before you actually post instead of screwing with other supporters on here you daft buffoon.

The real AG


There we go again. Another sentimental post in regards to Kenny. No one will ever take away what he has done for the club, or the city, or the families of Hillsborough. But they all have NOTHING to do with football. He is a fantastic person, however in today's game, a poor manager. What he spent had everything to do with the recent transfer window. We sold our number 1 asset (who incidently cost the club £21m + wages + VAT + agent fees, something everyone seems to forget) and threw the money away. If you are to be self sufficient, you cannot afford to do that. The illusion that its okay to waste money if you sold something to get it is an absolute nonsense. You are still left with an asset you cannot make your money back on. And when we come to selling Andy, Jordan and Stewart, that loss will be realised.

He is a great man, but everyone having a dig at FSG (who saved us all from having to support Tranmere or AFC Liverpool) should look at the previous management regime to understand why things are like they are.

Ash


Imo Ash is one of the most sensible posters around. he has been saying it all along how kenny's stupid spending on average players would hurt us in the near future, n the time to bear the brunt of kenny's mistakes has come, but sadly blind fans have turned on FSG, when it should be Commolli and kenny to blame.
Indian Buzzer


Cheers AG and Indian Buzzer. Thanks for the support!

Ash


DIC is not Dubai.

Emirates Airlines are massive.

They have ordered 90 A380's. {Ed002's Note - You may wish to enquire what the D of DIC stands for.}


No problem Ash. There are way too many negative posters now. I think this the most negative the majority of us have become since FSG took over.

I don't understand why some of the people on here would rather criticise FSG than face the facts and I find it incredible that most of the negative posters don't put in any effort to understand or atleast read through the posts. Ed002 makes a good point about the education system in UK.

The real AG


Ahh The real AG and Ash so in love.. To you AG im the poster who answered Ash and as for you calling me a Bellend etc cause i have my own point that makes you a an opinionated bellend! What does AG stand for Arrogant Get would be my guess you tit.
Your so right of course all the time aren't you lad ! Haha people like you make me laugh tough guy .
I bet you left school with all top results eh bighead, Ha your nothing lad just a tit who thinks he's always right.
I just hope this gets published and you read it tough guy just so it rattles your pride BELLEND !


At least he leaves a name. There's a word for people who just have a go at people's posts without leaving a name. They're called trolls.

Leave a name. It's all part of the fun!

Ash


 

 

06 Sep 2012 11:51:53
I'm really not bothered about our small senior squad.
I'd love another striker, but we haven't got one so I can't wait for Morgan to get his chance.

Truth is, our starting 11 is competitive and showed against City that we can equal or better the top teams, and I believe that given time and Rodgers' influence in training, we'll overcome our inability to beat the so called "smaller teams"

The only thing that could hinder us is serious injury to a couple of key players. There's no reason why fully fit professional footballers shouldn't play every league game
Add a few hungry young players, eager to take their chance - I've mentioned Morgan but hopefully the cup competitions will see Ngoo, Yesil, Suso, Ibe etc. given a chance as well.

It's much healthier than having 30+ year olds on the bench on big salaries.

It could also prove to be influential and give us an advantage when it comes to signing young players.

I know some people will be full of doom and gloom regardless, and this post probably hasn't changed your mind. I understand people were disappointed with our transfer activity (I was confused at 11 pm on deadline day).
But it's not all that bad. We've got a small squad, but some top players and a promising youngsters.

Joe


Professional footballers cant play every game- this was shown by the tiredness of some of our players at the end of the Arsenal game- we have not got the quality of squad to be able to rotate for Europa and Premiership- we will suffer badly because of this.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 11:46:50
We'll all be DOOMED, DOOMED I tell yer,

Frazer.


Frazer,

You are the one doomed. Not us! Not Liverpool! We will bounce back real soon. Every revolution, Every change, Every forward thinking decision, passes through the test of fire and if strong enough it comes out better.

I tell ya doomed frazer, we will see this period through and you will eat your words.

O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)


Don't panic! Dont panic!

Jones


I'm just going to the bathroom.

Godfrey


Dont tell him your name, Pike

Capt Mainwaring


Pull yourself together that man!!


You Stupid Boy


They don't like it up 'em....


 

 

06 Sep 2012 11:45:27
FSG buy with £300m
The Bider from Hong Kong is £400m
there was another Bider from Singapore £400m and + £50m transfer money.
so stop that crap FSG save us.

hhh


Well said couldnt agree more!
deano mcc


Ok il stop it if u don't give me the pedigree ok hhh

Jamie


It's not the size of the bid that counts, it's the way it's put together. FSG's bid was the only one that wasn't leveraged against the club. The other bids consisted of putting allor part of the bid onto the club (same as H&G did). RED LENIN


Hhh

thank you for explaining economics to me. I always thought it was a complicated subject but you, with your in depth analysis, have convinced me otherwise.

Thanks

Mrpjd


You may as well talk to a brick wall RED LENIN, no one will listen mate.


You stupid t***,you really would sell our club to Singapores billionaire and MANCHESTER UNITED fan Peter Lim!? Sounds like that is good for us?

How stupid are people on here!

WikingRedNor


Triple H go back to your choreographed wrestling.


And btw Kenny Huang from Hong Kong had goverment backing to finance the bid of 325mp, same amount that Peter Lim bid. BOOTH of them pulled out early in the running.
Kenny Huang that you obv wanted ( or manu fan peter lim) isnt that rich,its mostly his backers that sit on the billions and he is some kind of middleman.

What you plastic fantastic fans wish for is a Sheik something that come to play and spend billions on players that are famous thru FootballManager.

Stop this,please,go back to support our team like we used to do in the golden years. Thats what they need. ( maybe even Sahin will stay next year if we show him/them what LFC fans really are made off.

WikingRedNor


Its comparing player's ability based on how mich they are bought for. In messi's case, hes ****e i guess?


 

 

06 Sep 2012 11:09:04
I like how everyone is slating FSG not not spending a good amount of money when the reason they did it is because of US FANS. We wanted KD to continue to be our manager and FSG trusted us due the overwhelming pressure and support KD got, and guess what? We over spent on Hendo, Adam, Downing Carroll. Now FSG are more cautious and won't succumb too easily to our pressure. So please, we should reflect on ourselves before slating them. They gave us what we wanted, but what we wanted backfire and we blew the chance.


It's not about spending or not, any blind man can see we need a striker to back up suarez and Borini. dempsy £5m BR want him why not FSG Back him up ?


Totally agree!


Yes we needed a striker a man up front poaching but yet we were linked to Dempsey and Sturridge neither of which are poachers... Worrying!!!


If thats the reason they shouldve bought BENITEZ and not rodgers


 

 

06 Sep 2012 11:03:57
Ed, is it possible that FSG have only just now truly grasped the scale of the task facing them in rebuilding LFC and thus reservations setting in?

Look, let's not kid ourselves here. FSG are an investment company. Henry's job is to make maximum returns for his investors. LFC presently are FAR, very FAR from doing that. It's gonna huge amounts of cash (in addition to what they've already forked) to get us satisfactorily profitable trajectory. A field's redevelopment, highly expensive, is a MUST and central to all this.

Perhaps FSG's realised this and are seeking to balance the books and bolt for the exit.
And why shouldn't they? Taking into account the
significant funds squandered last summer, us not being in the CL and unlikely to get it this season again, why would they keeping pumping cash into the side? We can't spend like a CL team when we aren't one. Sad, I know, but that's where we at and have to accept it.

Ed, if teh next 2-3 years FSG manage to balance the books, do you see them cutting their losses and selling up? What price do you think they'd be realistically looking for?
Would appreciate your insights on this.

Prince {Ed002's Note - FSG has certainly been surprised at the on-going costs of running the club. They have been and will continue to be supportive withing reasonable financial constraints. Rodgers new this when he arrived. We have seen that the whole Dempsey issue when wrong in the end, but it needs to be put behind everyone now. I would not want to second guess what will happen in two or three years time. In terms of price, I understand that the the guideline figures provided in June for a floation roughly substantiated the Forbes valuation but fell a long way short of providing a full return of the investment made.}


Agree with ED . we have done a good transfer market Sahin, allen assaidi is good buy. dempsy saga make us suffer. I am surprise FSG back £35m for Carroll but not £5m for Dempsy ?


hhh


 

 

06 Sep 2012 10:59:23
FSG OUT ?

Be careful what you 'fans' wish for.....

Easy to make knee jerk reactions, far better to keep the club on an even keel, plan for the future and rise again.


MULDER


FSG out! Please make the effort to suggest a sensible and coherent alternative to your rather childish headline!


What about planning for right now? We won't have a future if we keep planning for it as tomorrow will never come. FSG can't compete or are unwilling to do the need to go.


I'm getting really fed up of posts from people who probably have no business or economic training pretentiously spouting drivel they have heard somebody else say in relation to 'debt' or 'administration', and then claiming that anyone who fails to agree with them, i.e. they actually want to see the club move forward which requires investment (which does not automatically equate to debt, nor it debt necessarily the evil thing everyone seems to think it is, and is actually a healthy, normal part of a business), is not a 'real fan' and should go and support another club, usually spelt in a supposedly funny way such as 'Citeh' or 'Chelski'- yet another trait which makes me cringe.


He didn't say FSG out!

he said FSG OUT ?

there is a difference, no need to call him childish for your inability to tell the difference.


Usually spelt in a supposedly funny way such as 'Citeh' or 'Chelski'

yeah, can we stop doing this please, we don't want to upset this delicate little flower now do we? Clown.


We are not man united, who have a huge debt but can still afford to spend money! Spending money for the short time frame means more debt and no future! The club are buying youngsters to grow them into good players! Where do you think half of barcelonas squad came from? They never bought messi for 100million did they? Yeah there may be a few seasons of real lacking quality but the lower the wage bill, club grown talent means lesser wages compared to players with a huge ego like hazard who will cost £30 million plus something like £150K a week per player, whereas the likes of sterling earns nothing compared to that! We are buying players that are going into the youth system so they can learn to play the new style, meaning when they do come up they'll know how to play! This means more money saved every year! Also players coming up from the youth system means we don't need to keep buying players worth 20-50 million every season! We are not owned the sheikhs of Arabia, so we have to create our revenue and use it where it's feasible! It's common sense, get some!

M


People should read past the first six letters of a post methinks


 

 

06 Sep 2012 10:53:40
Eds if you don't think on telling you the truth look on the daily post website.
He said they would sell.Also I know some of the things i said are Ott but i just want my club to be on the best possible hands.Sorry about my comments but i woke up on a bad mood. Sorry if i upset fans.

Pork chop {Ed002's Note - I did and his words were indeed misrepresented. This is a typical problem when people don't actually read what was said and then they paraphrase it. You owe Mark Lawrenson an apology.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 10:48:39
Ed002 in your opinion is my faith in the owners blind?
If i am right in my support of them being responsible owners who will invest , then I hope they are not scared off by the those who are against them, surely we cant go keep going from owner to owner to owner and a change in manager following a similar cycle! I feel the club needs stability ,consistency and patience , in my mind "the want it all want it now" era has gone! Your thoughts please ed002
Boofs bro

{Ed002's Note - What posts would we have seen these past few days if (1) Dempsey had signed on Friday, (b) Liverpool had beaten Arsenal 2-0 on Sunday?

Worryingly, what posts will we see if Stoke beat Liverpool 2-0 with goals by Adam and Owen?}


What posts will we see if Stoke beat Liverpool 2-0 with goals by Adam and Owen?

a gun in hand looking for FSG and BR too :P


GREAT reply ed002 - YNWA-SA

We are LFC and the players and manager we have are the ones we need to support 100% as long as they are part of LFC.

On a personal note i think we will do brilliantly this season.

Sahin and Borini will definitely shine.

Sterling and Allen already are.

One of the players above will definitely be our player of the season and another young player of the season.

Over the last 2 weeks i was researching the other other 2 new signings Assaidi and Yesil.

These 2 will definitely wow the fans. They have definitely moved to the right club because of Rodgers. His coaching and advise will take them to the next level.

What is really needed is backing and patience from us fans.

"Your actions show what your heart is made of."

And the sad truth is that is what is lacking, "YOU" . The 12'th man.
Bring it back and LFC will be successful.

All the right ingredients are there but the support, 12'th man.

I don't think the current supporters are anything like the supporters of the 80's and early 90's.

I cannot talk about the support prior to 1980 because that is when i started watching and supporting LFC.

I am sorry to say that the supporters of today are "USELESS" and it hurts the club.

Ed002 your knowledge and advise is OUTSTANDING.

Great work, keep it up and i hope that the current team excels on and off the field just so that todays supporters can feel the passion of what it is like being 100% LFC.

YNWA-SA


If stoke beat liverpool,lol,prob the same posts that have been on hear for the last few years when stoke beat liverpool


I couldn't have said this better, its so easy to support a team when they are winning all the time.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 10:44:16
some fans really need a reality check. If we speak against fsg then we are not real fans.....REALLY!!! yes we appreciate them getting us out of potential administration etc but they have also decieved many people including myself.

firstly i see no good news on a stadium and secondly there is no way we can compete with the best clubs in the transfer market even though they say we can.

football has evolved and now money is required to win trophies with the exception of 1 or 2 clubs. the ffp will come in and teams will find loop holes in it. unfortunately money talks and we dont have much and our owners arent willing to give us some of THEIR money in the short term so it can help us to be successful in the long term.

this isnt a rant but a reality of the situation. whether we are winning or losing i will always love my team and i know one day we will lift the league title but we first need to evolve as a modern day football club and that will require finances.

LIV POOL


 

 

06 Sep 2012 10:40:52
Answer this please... Champions League omission aside; why are we so unattractive to football players the world over? We can pay a half decent wage; we have a worldwide appeal; we have a great stadium and the best fans therein? Whats so unattractive? I dont get it?? {Ed002's Note - Who are these players that find Liverpool unattractive. Give me a list and I will try and answer.}


The bright lights of LOndon, the trophies being won at OLd Trafford and, oh yes, I nearly forgot, massive salaries and huge signing on fees.
Robbie


The best fans? then why is anfield not full everyweek,newcastle and arsenal havnt won anything in years yet they fill their bigger stadiums every week.knowledgeable fans lol,thats why other fans come on this page,not for knowledge,for the laugh cause this place is a scream,and who wants to play in a stadium with no atmosphere,anfields a library now.once again sigh,take the red tinted glasses of kid,the liverpool fc your daddy tells you about used to exist back in the 1980ies but has long since gone,a lot of them nowadays are just sunny day supporters


 

 

06 Sep 2012 10:34:49
I have asked this question to the Ed`s before, but didn`t get an answer, so I`ll ask again.
What is the NET spend of FSG since they took over. {Ed002's Note - The gets answered on a pretty much daily basis. The club has lost around £50M for each of the past two years. Since July 1 when this year started they have spent more than £30M net on transfer and related fees. So perhaps £130M or so.}


Hi Ed,

Further to this question and answer (forgive me but I can't find the answer when searching), I understood that the reasons for the last two year losses was explained previously because of the mistakes made by the previous owners, and I thought that I had seen some comments which suggested that the club would return to the black during the next financial year as a result of the remedial action FSG had taken to lower operational costs and increase income as a result of more commercial sponsorship deals etc? Is that correct as far as you know or is it a case that they still expect to make a signifciant loss year on year for the foreseable future?

I am confused as to why specifically the club is making such losses year on year given what I thought were good levels of income created globally when compared to some of our peers and the increased commercial deals we have read about?

For example, if you look at Spurs, they do not have our global following or marketing income and I assume our commercial income is equal to or greater than they generate. We also have a larger gate receipt at Anfield than they do at WHL. Why is it that they appear (I appreciate that maybe I am wrong on this impression)
to outspend LFC regularly despite all of the above? Are their owners supporting a loss position and funding year on year as well?

Could you share any further light on this as I think it would help all fans understand the constraints everyone is working to and perhaps ensure we are all a little more patient & realistic (me included) than perhaps a lot of us have been with FSG?

Finally, I feel that a lot of the negativity out there is because we all care so much about our club and are used to a good level of success, I guess we are just not used to struggling like we are at the moment, comparitively speaking that is.

Much appreciated.

ConnorsLFC {Ed002's Note - I think the finances and the reasons for the losses have been done to death and much of the problems were down to wages. It'll be better this year.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 10:16:22
ed 002 do u think if we dont make cl in the next 2 seasons fsg would have to sell us been a few stories about they mite have 2 over the losses the clubs is making thanks {Ed002's Note - They won't have to sell and I would doubt that the Champions League is going to be the only driver for selling. They would want to come out of any sale level or even making a profit. They feel that they are doing right for the club but clearly not all of the fans agree. We have seen a very significant reaction against the owners these past few days which they will not be used to at all - and would certainly be taking the matter seriously. If there was a buyer who would offer up an acceptable exit route at the moment then I would think an offer would be given serious consideration. I have speculated that the quick out for FSG would be a floatation of the club. As of June that did not look financially attractive and teh partial floatation by Manchester United, like the Facebook floatation, did not see the expected valuation met. So it is a far from ideal time to be doing that. For now I expect the owners to ride it out.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 10:15:42
Too many people are fickle on here, if FSG pulled the plug on the Adam/Downing/Henderson or Carroll deals, people would be saying they had shafted KK! We are now paying the price for those deals. To suggest FSG out or have demonstrations and the like will only harm OUR club. We need to have faith in our younger squad members like Morgan,Yesil and Suso, lets face it, how much has Sterling saved us in the transfer market? It would be wrong to suggest these players can single handedly turn LFC around but they can contribute, and that is how it should be. Remember the likes of Shankly and Paisley didnt have a bottomless pit of money, and some of our best signings through the years havent cost the earth. It was the players that were brought through the system that made those teams as much as any superstar on superstar money. Rob Smith JFT96


 

 

06 Sep 2012 10:10:27
Fowler player coach role?
Easy 10 goals before January :)

FowlerGod.


You may be on to something here....player / coach with the ability to come on for 20-30mins to nick a goal.

our problems last season and this are not the creating, it's putting them away. this is where robbies excels.

'he's 37' i hear some of you say...so what?
over at manpoo scholes retired, only to be brought back 6 months later. age..? same as robbie. and robs been playing pretty much continually for the last 3-4yrs, albeit in lower standard leagues.

why would it be so bad? scholes, giggs, beckham...al still playing at his age.

you can give me all the for's and against, eg they've always looked after themselves etc etc. and the 'against' will out do the for's.

but i know this much...you put the ball in the box with robbie about and it's a goal...even now. i've watched games with him over the last couple of years, even the masters series, and he has not lost his eye for goal. his legs will be heavy and fitness may not be the best (can work on it) but his finishing is still there. and to have him around borini, morgan, suarez can only be a help.

the fact that's he's already knocking about in ambassador role makes the integration even easier. i bet he'd even do it for free, he loves it that much! (he's certainly wealthy enough with all his investments)

i say 'BR, give it a go!' crazier things have happened...
sinner21


Well said. It's a bit of Fowler banter. I can't see LFC getting any freebie in to cover striking roles i'll give the youngsters a chance. LFC have got some top quality players in the reserves but having Fowler back.. as the papers said today " You've heard of the second coming of Christ but the third coming of God"
Bring him back as a coach, he went to MK Dons for a period of time and no lie when he did come they did start finding the net alot more.

FowlerGod.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 10:07:42
I think all the anti fsg need to remember that they saved our club ,and the mistake they then made was at the end of kennys care taker period, they should then have got their own man in and backed him with the cash that k.d had to spend.They did not do that they went along with the fans all clamouring for k.d to be given the job.you can't expect them to spend another fortune, BR has been tasked with overseeing a project of returning Liverpool to the heights we
Once enjoyed,it's not an overnight process,and they certainly won't risk the financial security of the club to get their quicker, a lot of money has been invested in purchases and in clearing huge earners from the wage bill,let's just give them and BR the time to get this right,I didn't see to many billionaires queueing up to buy the club,so please stop moaning and support the club ,your club! Eds if my faith in the owners is blind please set me straight, but I do feel they are responsible owners who have invested will invest and will want a return on that investment which comes ultimately through success
Boofs bro


My belief is FSG want the club to be profitable, they have investors who want a decent return for their dollar.

There are two ways to make a club profitable:

1) Success, revenue raised from CL, winning the league, cups etc etc

2) Selling players and keeping wages down. Take Sterling for example, bought for nothing or near enough to it. Low wages, good prospect. Sold in 2 years time for 20m, profit made approx 15 min. I personally can see us turning into selling club

Dublad


If you think other people wouldn't have bought LFC for £300m you have lost your mind. They only bought us cause it was a ridiculous bargain, too good to turn down. They know what they're doing?! lol. How many u-turns (KK, Comoli, DoF, stadium etc etc) do they have to make before you realise they're just winging it? No one is asking for billions, but failure to invest, when even those bellow us are investing will mean it will take years to catch up. They've gone out of their way to slash the wage bill again, claiming theres no money (even though Werner said we have the funds to compete with anyone), and yet they're boasting about how high the Red Sox wage bill is!


I have lost my mind?!!
Please tell me as I have lost my memory also! Who where the other buyers that were prepared to purchase the club?
And I assume if they hadn't won the 1st 3games ,you would want them out too!
I respect other posters opinion,forgive me for not agreeing with yours as I'm entitled to mine,but when the anti fsg have hounded them out, what then? Start again into the unknown !
Boofs bro


 

 

06 Sep 2012 09:44:32
Call me thick, but why don't the reserves and maybe some of the very talented youth players train regularly with the first team? It just seems sensible to me to pit them against stronger players in training. Wouldn't it help them learn, and see hat level they would need to achieve? After all, some may be getting some playing time this season. I can't see why the likes of Suso and such are competing against 'lesser' players will help them. I'm sure there is a good reason why they don't, but I can't think of it.

Nick {Ed002's Note - They have to train for youth and reserve matches. Those under 18 still count as children and have limits on the number of matches, the amount of training and schooling issues. Some will periodically train with the first team but it is not a case of mixing all together as that would be disruptive to the first team.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 09:24:11
Am I the only 1 still excited bout this season??
Finally, for the first time in a long time, all the hard work with our youth players has the opportunity to be seen.
Screw being held to ransom by clubs for over inflated prices. We can make our own superstars they just need the chance.
KD is a legend but we had Sterling last season and he chose to pay 20mill for Downing!
We have got Ngoo. He's a beast, strong, fast and can play with the ball at his feet and he spent 35mill on Carroll!
We have got Morgan, Coady, Suso and now Yesil. I would rather watch these players than buy in 29yr olds.

The team just needs time to play together thats all.
Allen,Sahin,Borini,Assaidi and Yesil are new arrivals. Lets give them time to learn how Rodgers wants us to play.

Im excited to see what our new manager with these new young signings and the rich depth of youth team players can produce.

LFC4EVA


Great post and I'm with you all the way mate.

KJS


I hear you loud and clear 4Eva. When the team start showing what they can do by January and the great football we are playing then it wont be difficult to get Marquee players to play for us. Every player wants to play in a team that will show his talents and make a bigger name for himself. Liverpools new style will compliment any new good signing. By Jan the owners will invest if it looks like we can challenge for CL


Best post i've seen

Well said mate

LondonLiverbird


Excellent post.

We are in transistitonal period and unfortunately most of Kenny's buy have not worked out so lets give youth a chance. The likes of going for players like Owen, Del Piero, Drogba, is not the way forward in my opinion.

This season is not going to be pretty but I think the future is going to be good once all those young new players gell like Borini, Allen, Sterling, Sahin, Henderson, Coates, Shelvey, Robinson etc.

Lets find out which players out of the youth system have a future by giving them a chance too. Is Suso ready? Is Morgan ready? Is Yesil ready? Is Ngoo ready? Is Pacheco ready? We know Downing and Joe Cole are not!

Next season we will be ready to challenge if we get good buys in January and next summer and we can pull another couple of gems from youth system all the better.

Steve068


The youngesters need to be looked after - there is a lot of pressure on them especially at the moment. It's risky playing an 18 yr old in too many games. Fortunately, with a handful, BR can alternate and see if one of them really is ready to step up.

I do fear for Sterling though if BR continues to play him because he's our best player at the moment. Again, a very difficult decision for BR. Play Sterling and risk burn out or not play him and risk a backlash from fans for dropping him!


I tried saying that yesterday and got a load of disagree's!! I also mentioned that had our transfer policy of the past been repeated this year we would have spent a load more cash on mediocre foreign players ,on huge wages and the likes of sterling Morgan etc would never get their chance
Boofs bro


Completely agree with the above posts.This could be a great season for us in terms of beginning to bed in a stellar generation of youngsters.

Patience is needed and let's take pleasure in the football the team plays and learn to live with some unfavourable results as the team progresses.

This is when your support is really needed. If you are lucky enough to go to Anfield week in week out you need to be prepared to lose your voice through chanting and shouting at every game. Let's intimadate the opposition and fill the team and the club with confidence and positivity.

We owe it to history.

long live the King


Whilst I do completely agree with what you're saying, it's a bit harsh blaming Kenny for not playing Sterling last season! He was 16 - I know some 16 year olds have made the step up but it's still a hell of a lot to ask.

And to be fair, Downing had a great season at Villa, and should really be in his prime now. The only person to blame for Downing's poor form is Stuart Downing himself.

Joe


 

 

06 Sep 2012 08:55:21
Between Rodgers and FSG all i can see this club doing is finishing in the top 12. If we are lucky maybe 10th. FSG are taking us backwards and Rodgers is not what all you fans think he is. I think he is overated. Martinez and Suso made swansea great Rodgers walked in and didnt have to do much at all. The club where he did make a lot of changes Reading how long did he last. To get rid of Carroll was such a big mistake it could end up costing him he's job. FSG having no money to put in to the club is a joke. Why did they take over liverpool if they were just like the previous owners. FSG lack any ambition and this will cost them in their pockets as we will get worse and worse. The squad we have now are worse then when they came here. That says it all. Looking at the level of abuse they got i think they are questioning if they should have got involved in football. You need to be able to sustain losses and invest and they can't do that without selling players. A lot of you may disagree with me but I bet Rodgers and FSG are not going to be here in 5 years.

Pork Chop


A diary of moaning fan.
holy_red.


Your a bloody pork chop! What rubbish you speak!

BrisbaneLFC


What a pork chop you are,are you having a laugh grow up and back your club thru thick and thin.


No, it's the diary of a thick pork chop.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


Mark Lawrenson quote from the daily post : FSG will sell if they get the money they paid for the club. Does he know something we dont. {Ed002's Note - I would be astonished if he has said that. My understanding is that, if it were decided to move on, FSG would want what they have put in to the club, not what they paid for it. The floatation valuation provided in June came in pretty much in line with the Forbes valuation and that is less than they have invested in the club. So unless you have misrepresented what Lawrenson said, then I am afraid he has made a complete fool of himself.}


Holy red i think you need to pray for our club mate.


I agree FSG will be gone in two years ! They are preparing the club for sale,they expect to leave with a 100mil profit.

Baz F


Unbelievable - how the hell are they going to make a profit on what they paid for us, and what they have invested.
We are not a successful club at the moment, get real.

FSG in for long haul. thankfully.

John B


Pork chop, you may be right but! if we deteriorate to the level you suggest we would be worth nothing, FSG will then be well out of pocket, and that's not conductive to them thinking of selling is it ?

Big Bill


I'm starting to get bored of this "FSG are taking us backwards" nonsense.

This is not an ownership issue... It's the way the game has changed FINANCIALLY over the years.

David Moores did NOT want to sell the club. He had to let it go because his wealth could not keep up with the demands of the modern game.

The reason Liverpool are falling behind is partly our own making. We have wasted MILLIONS of pounds on poor transfers. We don't have owners who can put £400million in a transfer kitty.

Let's not forget, abramovich did not pay a fortune for Chelsea, Sheik monsour not a lot for City. I am not too sure what debts they had at the time of the takeover, but if it was low then all monies put into the club could have Ben spent on transfers.

FSG came in and wiped £250m of debt out and gave Kenny £100m. Brendan £30m So dont forget that!!

So we cannot put hundreds of millions in to get instant success. FACT! We have to rebuild to a structure where the club is not losing money and that money goes in the war chest for transfers.

But more importantly we have to spend prudently. David MOYES has probably had about £100m in his whole Teneture at Everton and his side compete, but not quite enough to go that extra mile. He has had some great players that did not cost the earth...

We, as fans, laughed when it was muted that Liverpool were looking at Jelavic from Rangers... There was uproar! we are LFC, we don't buy players no one has heard of... We want Llorente....

He looks like he was a decent buy to me. The same with Marillas... £6m and scored 2 goals already...

So drop this WE ARE LIVERPOOL crap, and accept that people nowadays do not come to your club to wear the shirt. The come for the money. We will only attract people now if we are playing attractive football and are competitive... Top 8 this Season with all the changes Is respectable IMHO and start moving towards the top 4 over the next 2 seasons.

To win the league today is expensive and you BUY the league, you don't win it..

So we have to do it over time.... Just accept it.

simulcra


 

 

06 Sep 2012 04:08:12
All of you saying FSG out, remember, there were only 2 bidders. A asian mancs fan and FSG. So basically FSG brought us out of potential adminstration.


We should have gone for the other owners


How the hell can you disagree with the facts - you can be in denial, but can't disagree.


 

 

06 Sep 2012 04:03:44
Hi eds and all LFC fans,
It seems like only the liverpool rumors site is the most active. Seen the other site and i don't see many posting.


Congratulations- has to be the most pointless post ever!


 

 

06 Sep 2012 03:27:48
Eds Is Liverpool or any team allowed to sign a free agent now that the deadline for issuing squad list has closed? Is it really possible Pongolle will join? {Ed002's Note - Yes, if certain criteria are met.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 03:16:31
Hi eds, do you think we may be interested in drogba, anelka, barios should they become free? Probably stupid question actually, maybe the likes of Morgan and Ngoo will get a chance, or play Gerrard as a forward and play Henderson or Shelvey centrally.
Hutch


 

 

06 Sep 2012 02:45:11
Hi guys, I have been glued to this site for the last few months. Its been a great read every-time I have been here. there is a lot of negativity at this moments fans want FSG out want BR out after 5 games its pathetic. Sunday was one of the worse days of my life ,got up early in morning (as I live in Toronto), got dressed, woke my wife and kids up to see us kick Arsenals Ass. But all I got was players not turning up to play and an easy 3 points lost, futher more Man Utd won their game with van persie scoring. Accoding to me most of the blame goes to gerrard reina and suarez , Gerrard was the worse one.
I want some one to show them the This is Anfield sign and remind them why is it there for.once they will remember whom they play for the opposition will remember whom are they playing against. right now they think they can come to Anfield and get a easy point or three from us they should be scared of us. The kop was very silent I didn't even hear YNWA. but I wont blame the fans they have supported us forever. Every year we are told its a long term plan and give us few games then few years to make LFC successful but all we got was disappointment. For us fans it would have been the easiest thing to change our alliance and start supporting teams like Chelsea or man city because they will win however it is but we chose the tough path of supporting LFC and will remain to do so. All I want from my fellow reds are to hope for the best and expect the worse so that we wont be disappointed again. But deep down inside my heart I feel we will come good ,with FSG and Br the club is in good hands. We cant get LLorente or Damio so be it lets get kids like Yesil or morgan to play for us make them worth 30 mil and then if you want sell them and invest money in youth and the club again, in this way we will be self sufficient (Everton is the best example of that don tell me they haven't won anything, what have we won carling cup, but they are still there competing) so lets get behind our boys and hope they don't disappoint us as they are there to play for us and make us proud and not to disappoint us
RED 316


You hit the nail on the head with the "this is anfield" in the tunnel.it doesnt mean anything to the younger generation of footballer,and why should it,if your a 21 year old playing for liverpool you wernt even born when lfc won their last title.you can show them the history in the anfield trophy room/museum but the players especially the foreign lads dont get it,try asking spearing,stirling,carroll,ect about AJAX, "i think they might of been a big club once" would prob be their answer,and if AJAX had a "this is AJAX" sign in their tunnel would it mean anything to them.prob not


I think they all played well and was exited about our style of play. I must have seen a different game to you guys. I recorded the game and watched it again to see where we went wrong and we only got outplayed by Abu Diaby and please dont deny him a cracker of a game. Wish he was a pool player. We created many chances and got blocked by great defence. So suck it up not all the teams have good a good defence like Arsenal. Mancs defence looks suspect and can see a couple of goals going in there so its not all doom and gloom.YNWA Riedwaan SA


 

 

06 Sep 2012 02:13:04
Ed's, Is Teixeira still injured and if not do you think he will get a shout at the first team this year? i know the club spent £1m signing him and if he's not going to make the mark he may well be out the door too like a few of the other youngsters. FSG may seek to recover some of their expenditure and continue penny pinching - sorry i mean strengthening the club financially.

ash240970 {Ed002's Note - He is not a first team player - he was brought in to the Reserves. If he does well enough and teh club think him ready, perhaps he will then train with the first team squad and perhaps get a cameo.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 07:17:29
So we have registered a largely undersized 20-man squad with 4 goal keepers and one Joe Crock, leaving us with just 15 outfield players, aside the likes of Sterling, Shelvy, Yesid and Morgan who are way too young and below the cut off age.

And apperently, we are not getting any free agent, judging from the discordant tunes between Rodgers and the snippets from management, leaving us with no plan B or a game changer on the bench.

Well, there in lies the need - more than ever before - to blood in the best of our youngsters to fill these yawning gaps pending the January window.

We saw them play against Toronto and Roma the other day and they gave good account of themselves.

Well, lets get them once again to do a job and continue from there till we can raise money to sign players.

Sad fan


Yes u really are a sad fan

Craig


Why sad ?
This could be a great opportunity for the club to bring through the said young blood.

I get increasingly fed up with fans who think that LFC have the right , based on history, to buy new players at will and expect every top player to want to come to Anfield. Face facts, we have to graft now to claw our way back to the top. So we have a small squad. We will have to hope they stay fit or we play the youngsters. Fans too need to get real and realise that they need to get behind the team and management.
The attitudes I read on here from some fans is embarrassing and at times appalling. IT'S A GAME !!

KJS


It's not a game its much more than that!!


 

 

06 Sep 2012 07:10:32
I hope this money ball thing works for us! Why dont FSG appoint Mr Bean as director of football to crunch the stats?

I just finished watching the Clooney film and if it works for basket ball surely it will work for football, just read goal instead of home run.

KA CHING


I hate to be the one to tell you this but home run is baseball think think in basketball the just call them baskets or 2-3ointers cheers CRAIG


 

 

06 Sep 2012 06:30:16
Been told fsg pulled the plug on the Dempsey deal because ayre asked them if they could increase the 3 million offer and they said no. They instead told him to throw players in instead and when ayre said they don't want any of our players fsg said there not going to pay extra. Been told this by a close mate who is a jurno. To me it looks like fsg's fault not ayre
FSG OUT bunch of hopeless cowboys


Yet another fan trying to create drama when there's no need for it!

Craig


No need for drama...What planet do you live in? We are a laughing stock!


Isn't it great when people make up little stories to make them feel good by saying " Been Told " without any reference to who the person was - think it's known as Chinese Whispers.
Never let a good story get in the way of facts


Craig.do you not suppose that after the 120mil foolishly spent last summer that fsg wont now be paying acute attention to the transfer dealings now?.do you not think ian ayre must give fsg a step by step breifing on how the transfer negotiations are going.do you not think after consultations with fsg, ian ayre doesnt know the maximum amount fsg are prepared to spend,and finally do you not think in ayre is busting his balls in negotiations trying to get the transfer price down as much as he can so as BR gets the player he wants.if you dont believe any of this happened then i cant help you if you are only ten yrs old
anon


Why are we a laughing stock? We spent £28m over the summer on players worth £28m. We sold £8m worth of players for £8m.

Compare that to last season when we actually were a laughing stock for spending £91m on players worth a fraction of that.

I think some of you need to accept that it's going to take 5 more years to sort out this club. Your only hope is for a very rich buyer to make an offer that FSG can't refuse!

If you continue with this anti-FSG position and actually hound them out then I promise you that you will live to regret it.


Exactly who is laughing at us - other teams fans - since when has that bothered Liverpool fans - we spent years laughing at everybody else when they were trying to catch up, let them enjoy it for a bit and take it on the chin - We Will Be Back.

John B


 

 

06 Sep 2012 06:08:20
LiverpOol wil learn not to do last min buys nxt tym


 

 

06 Sep 2012 06:06:28
Eds. There is so much negativity atm after the man city game in which we performed brillant against the champions we was poor vs hearts and the gooners all of sudden we gonna get relegated get rid of owners / mgr etc players to old rubbish we r 3 games in have a good squad young mgr and owners who saved us from adminstration let's all support our great club together ynwa ..


 

 

06 Sep 2012 05:58:32
hi eds great site first time poster hope you put it up.
im a little baffeled, henrys letter stated that there would be no short term fixes ie dempsey. why then were we after del piero? isnt he like 8 years older? {Ed002's Note - My advice is to not try and read anything in to what is said by the owners, players or manager.}


Ed002 , probably the best bit of advice ever given on these pages ...............


 

 

06 Sep 2012 02:44:18
Over the years we've seen a fair bit of young talent arrive at the club and fail to reach their potential. I think this is something the club is looking to change by giving young players a chance to gain first team experience. Now is the time with FFP rules to take advantage and when I look at our youngsters it looks very promising. Forget your doom and gloom merchants moaning because we haven't signed a short-term quick fix. Fergie established decades of success on the back of Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Nevilles and Butt.
Look at our current crop:
Sterling, Suso, Yesil, Robinson, Flannagan, Wisdom, Sama, Ibe, Morgan, Coady
Allow them the time to develop and learn from Gerrard, Carragher, Suarez, Agger etc.
FSG are doing it right, they're not looking to sell the club. On the last 2 occasions, we've struggled to identify any viable buyers. Selling is not an option now or in the foreseeable future. We simply can't "out buy" Citeh or Chelsea, we have to do it another way whilst funding a new stadium.
Hold your nerve, stay focused and keep the faith.

QUAGGAR


 

 

06 Sep 2012 01:27:10
Hi Eds

Is there any news if we will go for a free agent (a striker or two) ? Just wondering ?

Cheers {Ed063's Note - I very much doubt we will mate. None are good enough - hence why they are free agents.}


 

 

06 Sep 2012 01:14:59
A new report out says 12 of 20 premier league clubs recorded losses in 2011 fiscal year


 

 

05 Sep 2012 23:42:37
so in the end we sold/loaned/released:
adam-wasnt going to play much
bellamy-wanted to go to cardiff
maxi-bit part player wanted to go home
aurelio-injury prone
kuyt-old n got rubbish
aqualani-waste of space
spearing-not lfc level
carroll-didnt fit the system
darby-never made it
eccelston-not going to make it
mukendi-loan for experience
amoo-not gonna going to make it
toni silva-deemed not good enough

so apart from mukendi n poss spearing and carroll none of the above should of been kept.cant moan at owners for getting rid and saving wages reported being 425k a week.

we brought or loaned in the following:
joe allen-young talented great season for swansea and already showing us how good he is.

borini-same as allen young talented worked with rodgers determind hard working

sahin-ran the german league few seasons back had an injury and is a very good player.better than adam.

yesil-yet another up and coming german star who is full of talent

assaidi-young skillful talented great value for money

so too sum up we got rid of:
adam brought in sahin
maxi brought in assaidi
kuyt brought in borini
eccelston brought in yesil
spearing brought in allen

now thats great business for me.the only problem is not replacing bellamy n carroll thats it.which can be addressed come jan or summer.yet the owners are somehow to blame and must be shipped out.theyve brought in talent and we havent spent much.their only mistake was not getting in two more players.i wonder if we had beaten arsenal would people be moaning.is it the owners fault johnson cant mark or track back.gerrard had a shocker or we cant hit a barn door.no so blame the players not the owners.

DORSET RED


Are you being serious? The owners bought the club on the cheap. Have used player sales and wage cuts to pay for incoming players left us drastically short in terms of playing staff and done nothing in terms of new ground/redevelopment.

They are still blaming gillet and hicks for all that is wrong with the club whilst going through managers like underwear.

We can bring in strikers in Jan/the summer? So what, we right off another season? Fall further behind?

The owners will increase attendances as cheaply as possible (probably with a naming rights partner covering 80-100% of the costs). Leaving us with a ground that can't be expanded further then sell up.


Couldnt agree with Dorset Red anymore. The people crying bout the owners need to stop. They don't play and its only 3 games. They cleared space off the wages, and will reinvest in the squad. They have a record of doing that, reinvesting. And to the people who always mention they sold first, they could have pocketed the money.


Totally agree......see my previous post.....we gotta be prepared for this being an evolutionary season where we're then bringing through players who others are trying to prise off US for £15-20m

Rogers style is not easy and even Gerrard and Skrtel have made errors in bravely pursuing it....but give up and you have nothing again...just old school british football thinking that is ignorant to the fact that the rest of the world has shared views, caught up and overtaken us.

Shushyboy


 

 

05 Sep 2012 23:41:20
Liverpool - Henry and Werner are quickly achieving the impossible


Liverpool fan Mal James writes on the club's transfer window farce, which remains the talk of Anfield.

John Henry and Tom Werner have very quickly achieving something I thought to be impossible.

They are convincing a section of the Liverpool fans that they are at least as bad, and possibly worse, than Hicks and Gillett.


I'm not saying this perception is true. I certainly hope it isn't, but FSG certainly aren't doing themselves any favours if they want to convince the supporters that they are sincere.

They came in saying all the right things, but two years (almost) further on, the first team squad is thinner than ever; the club has made its worst ever start to a Premier League season; and there is still no sign of the issue of a stadium being resolved.

The farce of the transfer window has left the squad looking very thin - much more weakness than strength in depth. The club has lost Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy, Carroll, Adam, and Spearing from the first team squad and gained just one player who is recognisably top four Premiership quality in Joe Allen.

The farce of the Andy Carroll loan deal is quite beyond belief. How does a club allow one of its two recognised strikers go when it has not finalised a deal to replace him?

Was this incompetence on the part of Ian Ayres, or was it a matter of the owners not being prepared to sanction a necessary bid for a replacement?

The worrying thing is it looks increasingly like it was the second of these. It looks more and more like a situation where the operational and football management of the club is controlled from across the Atlantic

John Henry's 'open letter' to the fans was almost an insult. It was platitudes about the future, not an explanation of how Liverpool Football Club has been placed in the position of being the butt of the humour and scorn of rival fans as it has to scramble around looking for a halfway decent player who is out of contract.

Yes, Dalglish and Damien Comolli between them spent a lot of money on substandard players. But it was FSG who appointed Damien Comolli to run the club affairs.

By all reports, John Henry and Tom Werner were angry about how badly the money had been spent, but the responsibility for this lies ultimately not with 'King Kenny' but with the people who put them in post i.e. FSG appointed Damien Comolli to run the club affairs.

And, increasingly, Liverpool fans are asking about the truth of what they are being told. Tom Werner claims that Brendan Rodgers was the only person offered the manager's job. However, Roberto Martinez has stated, clearly, that he received an offer; and everyone who knows him testifies that he is one of the most honest men in football.

Liverpool fans might wonder if he was actually offered the job but said 'no' because he was not prepared to accept having all transfer dealings scrutinised, and possibly vetoed, by owners who actually understand little about the game.


A most excellent post.

Although at times I wondered if you were talking about the Cameron Government.

Redtop missile


The club is now a joke. rodgers is a yes man that was a cheap option. gillespie and jan were true and honest on monday night they were basically saying better under kenny. no doubt this wont be posted because i am being honest and we must love the clown brendan to post. wake up all u persons the yanks have finished us, look back to david moores,rick parry advised him to go with the 1st lot of american clowns because he was guaranteed a job with them,if not for him sheikh mohammed the king of dubai and the father in law to man city's owner would of owned the club,then we would ofhad a new stadium or atleast redeveloped anfield and a team and manager to go places,RIP LFC it breaks myheart but so true we are a mid table team now like newcastle,stoke,sunderland etc,makes me sick


LFC annually worsened by the owner not cause understand the game of football. They are not a fan and do not understand the feeling of LFC fans when LFC lose to an opponent in any field. Fans were disappointed when all owner promises not fulfilled. LFC lag behind the competitors always move forward. What luck LFC 10 years. The younger generation does not choose LFC as a club that should be supported because there is no success to be proud of. I expect the number of LFC fans will be reduced at the time when the situation and the continued hadanpan. This problem will affect the reputation of LFC. Effective action to be taken. Plan of action and engagement with fans, former players and owners need to begin to find a solution and restore excellence LFC. Owners have to be honest and if not interested to take LFC to success, they must retreat. I love LFC. thank you.


 

 

FSG out eh - alternative is - pile all the debt on LFC, put us in administration - minimum 10 point deduction, probably worse as no new buyers would want to get involved, worst case scenario after that - The English version of Rangers Football Club - scoff, disagree all you want - it is certainly a possibility if FSG decided to pull out.

John B


Rangers went into liquidation they are winding up the club ffs. They have done a MK Dons/AFC Wimbledon and when they win a trophy t will be their first. Can you imagine playing Man U as AFC Liverpool with no history, titles or cups. Get a f***ing grip mate.You are suggesting killing our club.


Where is that coming from? If someone bought Liverpool the debts wouldn't suddenly increase. Admittedly they may then borrow the money to pay for the purchase as hicks and gillet did but far from a certainty.

Liverpool had 7 offers when hicks left sure would be now.


 

 

05 Sep 2012 23:32:05
Hi All,

Really disappointed at results so far but only one thing I know that we gotta stand together nd support team..Agree with people who are not happy with lack of transfers nd striker situation but still feel nd believe we have some good youngsteers who has opportunity to shine...nd take example from STerling who has been brilliant so far..yesil nd assaidi has chance nd I think yesil seems like more ready for first team then others nd who knows he might turn to be current star player then future if given chance...not keen on bosman transfers as they are without club for reason...such as age, wages, not good enough or injury prone nd are more risk then trying Morgan, assaidi nd yesil for striker role along with borini...who are already with us... let's carry on constructive criticism of wrong things at club while still encouraging nd cheering for what we have at club.. we all are clubs heart but keep it that way. Rodgers is good manager nd he requires time nd support from us.

Harry Oldbury


 

 

05 Sep 2012 23:13:12
do you think lfc will approach Fabregas if reports are correct that he is looking for more first team football? {Ed002's Note - No.}


 

 

05 Sep 2012 23:12:44
I think this kid Samed Yesil could turn out to be an AMAZING signing for us, a kid with that type of potential is very exciting. I know times are tough right now for all of us with these results so far this season but it'll turn around..Everyone wants instant success yesterday and anyone over the age of 12 knows that is not how life works. Keep our heads up, work hard, support hard and we will not be denied, Reds. The future is bright,the present is bright and the past is bright. For all the fans who make it to Anfield, I beg and plead with you to be the loudest,most passionate and supportive fans in the world because if I could somehow fly there to see a game someday I will be screaming my lungs out regardless of the score. Thanks for reading.

phillyred


 

 

05 Sep 2012 22:50:57
I don't know why some fans are getting angry especially when our owners have put banners all over Anfield "WE COME NOT TO PLAY" then what you expect from them. Our team are doing exactly what our owners want and that's "WE COME NOT TO PLAY" ed mate seriously who are advising our owners especially those banners hanging all over Anfield it`s embarrasing mate


We come not to play.... We are WARRIORS! A gimmick along those lines. it is only a slogan from the kit sponsor!


 

 

05 Sep 2012 22:50:49
Is Fowler not a free agent? Although he isn't exactly a spring chicken. He is a striker. He would jump at the chance. It would also help get the fans going... One or two goals by January and id be happy haha :P


 

 

05 Sep 2012 22:43:22
In 20 games we'll be 4th place.


 

 

05 Sep 2012 22:41:21
Furious.
Nothing quite like giving your nanager the backing.
Liverpool - maximum value for money not going to mortgage thr future.
Red six- we continue to have the 2nd biggest payroll amongst all teams. Wants to spend big?!
Were scrippin n scrapin for a 3m offer for. Dempsey an absolute scandal of a man.

Its not music to my ears put it that way


 

 

 
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