Liverpool Banter Archive September 06 2010
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06 Sep 2010 23:32:43
{ed's note - I am not sure about that, personally. He might well have chosen Champions League football with Spurs, given the choice, especially when added to the strange lure that London presents to people, despite it not being that nice a place to live.}
London is the best , the only problem with LFC/ Anfield that its not in London :¬) . I wonder if Mr B will get it moved if I asked him nicely.
Roy
06 Sep 2010 22:28:50
Regardless of how rich or poor we are, which part of planet earth we come from , male or female , old or young, able or disabled , and regardless of race colour or creed, when we pull on our liverpool shirts we are all one, we all bleed the same, and l.f.c will live in our hearts forever.
lets give roy and the team all our support, and not worry who we are ourselves, lets show others what we can be together.
redsincebirth. Y.N.W.A
06 Sep 2010 22:07:55
Good question and hard to answer because when Stevie and Carra retire they have both indicated they would love to be part of LFC for life.
In what capacity and roles would they have at the club?
What roles would they be capable of?
But when the time comes what LFC fan will be brave enough to stand up and say NO there is no place for you at the club.
So my answer to your question is i don't know when to draw the line. If i said to draw the line now then it would be pure hypocrisy as i'd love to see Stevie and Jamie at the club for as long as they want no matter what their roles are.
At least you see where I'm coming from here and that's enough for me.
06 Sep 2010 21:54:16
06 Sep 2010 21:27:28
You could also put Sami Hyypia, Gary Mac and for me Luis Garcia in the same category but like you are saying were does it end?
Also read a few posts about ignoring Takeover talk but me personally cannot as this is the most important few months in our Great Club's history.
Ignor it i can't but i will be patient like we all should be.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Yeah where does it end? Honestly I would prefer the likes of Rush (just an example) over the Djimi Traore's of this world :L, simply because he was a more successful, better and popular player but Traore served Liverpool too and even has a Champions League medal! But I'm asking you personally where would u draw the line?
Good question and hard to answer because when Stevie and Carra retire they have both indicated they would love to be part of LFC for life.
In what capacity and roles would they have at the club?
What roles would they be capable of?
But when the time comes what LFC fan will be brave enough to stand up and say NO there is no place for you at the club.
So my answer to your question is i don't know when to draw the line. If i said to draw the line now then it would be pure hypocrisy as i'd love to see Stevie and Jamie at the club for as long as they want no matter what their roles are.
Blair Mayne YNWA
06 Sep 2010 21:36:05
06 Sep 2010 21:12:17
2 teams:
Team vs Birmingham:
Reina
Carragher Agger Skrtel Konchesky
Johnson Meireles Poulsen Maxi
Gerrard
Torres
Bench: Jones, Skrtel, Aurelio, Babel, Jovanovic, Lucas, Pacheco.
You've got Skrtel in your 1st 11 and also on the bench.
Did we sign another Skrtel on deadline day?
Or are you not giving to much away in case Alex McLeish reads this site?
Blair Mayne YNWA
06 Sep 2010 21:31:52
Dirk Kuyt in my humble opinion has lost his sparkle. Now it appears that fans, whilst recognising the positives he brings to the team, now use that against him. 'Yes he works hard, runs around all day but that's all he gives us'. This is all true and the fact that he is used as an 'out' with his ability in the air against full backs who are technically inferior in the air isn't picked up by many. However the rot started in March/ April 2008. Whilst the team was going through a rich vein of form, i thought he had started to look jaded. He was starting to give the ball away too easily and making a few errors. This continued last season where he was alarmingly consistent with his poor displays.
I have always liked the player but i just think objectively he perhaps has lost a yard or two of sharpness and perhaps ten minutes of energy in a match. When his strengths for the team start to dim, then his frailities start to grow and i think that is what's happening here. I would look to replace him at the end of this season and perhaps phrase him out over the course of this season. It may start quicker than expected, if this shoulder injury has us believe.
Bob the Red
06 Sep 2010 21:27:28
You could also put Sami Hyypia, Gary Mac and for me Luis Garcia in the same category but like you are saying were does it end?
Also read a few posts about ignoring Takeover talk but me personally cannot as this is the most important few months in our Great Club's history.
Ignor it i can't but i will be patient like we all should be.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Yeah where does it end? Honestly I would prefer the likes of Rush (just an example) over the Djimi Traore's of this world :L, simply because he was a more successful, better and popular player but Traore served Liverpool too and even has a Champions League medal! But I'm asking you personally where would u draw the line?
06 Sep 2010 21:18:02
I know what you mean totally but when would you draw a line?
I mean you have the "gods" in the likes of Daglish, Fowler, Rush.
But then u get the players who are treated with utmost respect and held in very high regard in the likes of Didi Hamann, Xabi Alonso (when he retires).
Its a nice idea alright and I'm sure the majority of the fans would love it but if this were to come true and there were to be plenty of applicants, the club can't hire everyone.
So a poll would be in best interests :)
You could also put Sami Hyypia, Gary Mac and for me Luis Garcia in the same category but like you are saying were does it end?
Also read a few posts about ignoring Takeover talk but me personally cannot as this is the most important few months in our Great Club's history.
Ignor it i can't but i will be patient like we all should be.
Blair Mayne YNWA
06 Sep 2010 21:12:17
2 teams:
Team vs Birmingham:
Reina
Carragher Agger Skrtel Konchesky
Johnson Meireles Poulsen Maxi
Gerrard
Torres
Bench: Jones, Skrtel, Aurelio, Babel, Jovanovic, Lucas, Pacheco.
Future team(looks very good):
Gulacsi
Kelly Ayala Wilson Mavinga
Amoo Spearing Shelvey Suso Pacheco
Eccleston/ Ngog
06 Sep 2010 20:54:17
My point was that all these ex players have some sort of power in their respective clubs no matter how they received it.
Blair Mayne YNWA
I find it unfair as you can't give one player something and then the other maybe nothing.
I mean would let Igor Biscan be our ambassador or something?
The idea is grand but you can't just give it to anyone, maybe a poll for the fans of some sort to vote?
The big, massive, gigantic difference is that Kenny, Charlton and Quinn are and always have been treated like Gods at their clubs.
Can you honestly say the same about Igor Biscan?
Blair Mayne YNWA
I know what you mean totally but when would you draw a line?
I mean you have the "gods" in the likes of Daglish, Fowler, Rush.
But then u get the players who are treated with utmost respect and held in very high regard in the likes of Didi Hamann, Xabi Alonso (when he retires).
Its a nice idea alright and I'm sure the majority of the fans would love it but if this were to come true and there were to be plenty of applicants, the club can't hire everyone.
So a poll would be in best interests :)
06 Sep 2010 20:35:38
Admin looms.Not looking good for our team
{Editor's Note: There is no chance of Administration.}
06 Sep 2010 20:25:15
This takeover saga looks like its going to drag on and on so i for one will be ignoring it as the "ifs" and "Buts" will only serve to distract us from the here and now. This transfer window has not been great but then it could have been far worse with reguard to the "outs" rather than the "ins". I do fear that our failure to sign a decent striker will come back to bite us around about xmas time when torres picks up his annual injury although if he stays fit as do the rest of them then i believe we have a starting 11 to rival the top teams.
In woy we trust
06 Sep 2010 20:00:54
Dirk Kuyt has injured is shoulder and could be out for upto 6 weeks. Hopefully this will mean that we can have a proper winger, who can take people on and cross the ball.
No offence against Dirk, he will chase the ball and will run fo 90 minutes, but he just is not a winger or right sided midfielder. Maybe Amoo should be given a chance, Maxi (a better winger than given credit for) or maybe Johnson should be pushed up on the right, Carragher at right back (because he can defend) and Skrtel/ Agger in the centre, or be bold and go for one of the youngsters that we were so eager to obtain or keep. (Wilson and Kelly)
Kuyt should be used either has back up to el Nino or when playing the 4 4 2 as the second striker. He can hold up the ball which will allow the likes of Gerrard, Miereles, Cole etc to become involved in the game as an attacking force and as we have seen can on occasion make a good pass for Torres.
Just a thought
Az
06 Sep 2010 19:52:09
Just like to say I'm sorry for John Toshack. impossible job. .One of the most moving moments ive ever seen at a game was after Shanks died we played Swansea and They lined up in their trackies for the minutes silence. as the crowd hushed he took his white top off and stood their in his Liverpool top. christ it still gets me. Great man. SMF
06 Sep 2010 19:36:17
This is t****r** speaking
now that cricket is being dragged thru the gutter with the betting scandle surrounding pakistan well now is a good time for mukesh ambani or subrata roy to pullout of their ownership of the twenty20 series and make a pitch for lfc makes sense to to let pakistan cricket sorts its mess out as these two guys won't want to be associated with these goings on i bet
06 Sep 2010 19:34:22
Editor (the liverpool fan) how do you feel about van der vaart joining spurs? i say this because obviously you got j.cole who i realy didn't want at spurs and remember you don't rate him either. would you prefer vdv at liverpool? today its been said that he choose spurs over liverpool but lets be honest that's probably cos we are in the champions league but it does make me question the whole two hours before transfer deadline saga! if it was rushed through like reported then how did vdv have time to decide how much he liked harry and, or, even have time to meet him? surely they must have discussed or met over the transfer before! ed what do you think mate ?
{Editor's Note: VDV had no time to make a choice - I guess he will see how this seasons pans out and then decide.}
06 Sep 2010 18:58:11
Why Hodgson is modern day Graham Souness
For Liverpool to attack effectively, I think they need 6 attacking players and using full-backs to win games. Liverpool may of saved season, if they used a combination of Holding Full-backs + Attacking Full-backs. Like Super subs that applied pressure towards the end of games.
Roy Hodgson appoarch at Fulham was far too negative to be translatable to Liverpool football club,
Playing a negative, defensive 4.4.2 will not work with Liverpool's players.
Hodgson likes playing four traditional defenders + solid full backs that like to defend, stay back and cover the space. The 4 along the back line and making sure all the space is covered is key.
Hodgson likes putting two defensive central midfielder together who are not forward-thinking. This will mean the teams best midfielder playing deep (Gerrard) because of his passing + tackling ability.
Trying to build up pairs in defending such as 2 cbk, 2 d-mid, holding -fbk+winger. Building these pairs to defend in a zone.
I don't think it will work for Liverpool tactically because liverpool do not have traditional wingers so no outlet for balls. No Soild full-backs (although Paul konchesky come in)
For Fulham, this way of playing was fine, counter-attacking, deep 4-4-2
For Liverpool, it won't be. Hodgson has a different set of players at Liverpool and is lacking in a few areas to play 442. Mainly (Wingers, Strikers, Holding Full-backs, Quality Midfielder)
What critics of Rafa Benítez failed to recognise was that in G-Johnson and Insua, Liverpool had two of the best attacking full-backs in the league. G-Johnson was sensational at times, while Insua was the division's top assist-making full-back going into the final months of the campaign.
These were not defenders, but quasi-wingers for Liverpool.
The four defenders for Liverpool were not the back four, but the square in front of the keeper: two centre-backs (although Agger could drift forward like a midfielder) and the two 'holding' midfielders (even though they didn't hold 100% of the time).
Losing Xabi Alonso intelligent passing ability killed the teams attacking ability was a killer blow.
This leaves Six attacking players in Advanced positions: the full-backs, the wide midfielders (bombard the box as strikers), and the two furthest upfield, usually a striker (Torres) and split-striker (Gerrard).
It wasn't rigid. Kuyt could defend brilliantly, but he also created and scored a lot of goals from the right, even if he, like traditional winger. (as mentioned Liverpool's need for Traditional English Wingers who defend and go wide for Hodgson) and not makeshift strikers.
Agger could step into midfield, even beyond. Adding Presure to play
Gerrard could drift deep, but also go beyond the centre-forward with pace, something that split-strikers. And at home against the weaker opposition, Gerrard started in a central midfield role, meaning seven attacking players.
2008/ 09 season: Things fell apart with the absence of Torres half the time (no second Striker)
Aquilani: not being fit enough to 'replace' the role Alonso; left in the team (passing ability)
Gerrards: lack of form, which has been due to groin injury that I believe he has not really recovered from
Mascherano: family issues and barcelona interest
Glen Johnson + Insua defensive decision making. Although I have seen a improvement in Glen Johnson and im Guessing Insua would of also shown the same improvement playing and learning all of last season.
Roy Hodgson so far:
Torres the lone striker > ( didn't manage to sign a another striker)
Aquilani: (loaned him out and lost a great passer of ball)
Gerrard: (no longer players at Centre of three in midfield and fans will not see him score goals like he did, now a deep holding midfielder)
Mascherano: Sold Mascherano for poor amount of money and didn't manage to sign Helb in the process. Very disappointing.
Insua: let a very talented player leave the club (bought in a short term replacement)
Kuyt + Milian are strikers and not wingers.
442.
Graham Souness walked into the club, changed a lot of things very quickly and ended up destroying what liverpool where. The same has happened here today.
Rafa Benitez is some what to blame for this mess. Mascherano should of gone with Xabi Alonso and we should of gotten a far price. And the Robbie Keane transfer was stupid half way through the season.
But I do see the departure of Aquilani + Insua a major step backwards for Liverpool
Hodgson needs to slow down, take things slowly and try not to sink the ship
06 Sep 2010 18:38:59
Look to every one that thinks that van der vaart snubbed us!. .lets get one thing straight. Joe Cole snubbed Arsenal, and Tottenham and perhaps Man City so yes we still can attract top players!. .Meireles. Again could have held out for a move to another top european club. But no he chose us. Stop turning against your club. And please stop slatoing Paul Konchesky. Give the lad a chance. Look Liverpool is a club renonwed for its supporters and some of the people on here make me sick. Ed what do you think. Surely people who slate the clyb should not be allowed to post.
{Editor's Note: We all have different opinions and we have to allow them to be posted - within reasonable constraints.}
06 Sep 2010 18:32:36
06 Sep 2010 18:19:57
Please everyone, stop with the takeover rumours as the ONLY time anyone knows anything for sure is when MB makes a statement. I for one trust this guy, as he has a huge reputation to protect, and mis-managing this process for such a huge global name will tarnish his reputation forever! Wont happen.
Anyway, moving on!. . . .
It looks like Dirk Kuyt is out for 6-8 weeks from what I've read. Ads insult to injury that we didn't accept Rafa's bid for him last month! !
Anyway, I hope Hodgson sees this as an opportunity to blood one of the youngsters on the wing - DAVID AMOO. There's only one way you get experience!
Hit believable if you agree.
I AGREE THIS MAN HAS A HUGE GLOBAL REPUTATION TO PROTECT. IF HE MESSES UP WITH LFC HIS NAME FOR SORTING OUT SUCH SITUATIONS WILL BE FINISHED.
06 Sep 2010 17:50:06
Apologies if I missed earlier posts, but I've just seen highlights from the England youth game last week, and Jonjo Shelvey looked immense!
I know he wasnt playing against Premier League players, but you can always tell when a young player has something about him. Touch was awaesome, first time passes pinpoint, surging runs, goal scorer as well.
I can see Stevie G withdrawing deeper next season and Jonjo coming in as heir apparent.
Did anyone else see those U19 highlights and agree? Any thoughts.
Also loved seeing Suso, David Amoo and Raheem Stirling play in Carradonna's testimonial Saturday, as well as Shelvey. Add to Pacheco, Wilson, Robinson and Kelly to the mix, and I truly believe we have an awesome young team coming through that can rival the scummers team of the mid-90s.
This is why Hodgson has been braught in - with remit to build a team with young talent.
Possible Reds team 2013-2014
Reina
Kelly Wilson Agger Robinson
Gerrard Shelvey
Amoo Pacheco Suso
Stirling
06 Sep 2010 17:44:11
06 Sep 2010 13:30:32
Did anybody hear Tony Evans the Liverpool fan and Deputy Football Editor for The Times on Talksport yesterday evening. After reporting a few weeks ago that the Kenny Huang bid was the 'only bid' and that Liverpool were now in trouble after Huang dropped his 'supposed' bid, Evans seemed to pull back from that viewpoint by seemingly stating that Liverpool would be a good buy for many rich people and there would be great interest because the football club is greatly admired throughout the world for what it stands for.
TONY EVANS AND HIS TEAM AT THE TIMES WENT WITH THE KENNY HUANG BID 100% AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY, EVEN HAVING NEWS ABOUT THE BID ON THE FRONT PAGES OF THE PAPER. HE STILL SEEMED TO FEEL YESTERDAY THAT THE HUANG TALEOVER BID WAS REAL AND THERE WAS NOTHING DUBIOUS ABOUT IT AT ALL. PERSONALLY SOME OF HIS PERFORMANCES ON THE RADIO AND TV HAVE BEEN QUITE HYSTERICAL OVER RECENT MONTHS CONCERNING LIVERPOOL NEWS.
06 Sep 2010 17:25:56
06 Sep 2010 17:15:20
Well chaps really seems the flood gates have opened with Mr Gilchrist spilling the beans.
Well not to be outdone I just want to say how bloody proud we are to have completed this deal for all you Red men.
My whole career I have managed successful businesses and sporting commercial crossovers BAT and BAR etc And over the course of this protracted sale process I could have ended up a 40 a day man BUT WE DID IT BY JOVE!
Now Lfc can begin a new era just like the one I established at BA.
I look forward to seeing many happy Scouse faces when you visit the bridge soon.
So thank you so very much for your faith over the last few months. I have worked upto 2 days a week to ensure this deal went through.
Good luck
Martin Broughton
Weren't you posting as Tom Hicks last night?
Blair Mayne YNWA
06 Sep 2010 17:15:20
Well chaps really seems the flood gates have opened with Mr Gilchrist spilling the beans.
Well not to be outdone I just want to say how bloody proud we are to have completed this deal for all you Red men.
My whole career I have managed successful businesses and sporting commercial crossovers BAT and BAR etc And over the course of this protracted sale process I could have ended up a 40 a day man BUT WE DID IT BY JOVE!
Now Lfc can begin a new era just like the one I established at BA.
I look forward to seeing many happy Scouse faces when you visit the bridge soon.
So thank you so very much for your faith over the last few months. I have worked upto 2 days a week to ensure this deal went through.
Good luck
Martin Broughton
06 Sep 2010 17:07:55
Tom Hicks and George Gillett were in London for a couple of days worth of meetings last week, with their principal lenders RBS, and also the rest of the Liverpool board, Martin Broughton and Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre, and the agents in charge of the sale, Barcap.
I do not know what was discussed at these meetings, so I can not say, however, from what I am led to believe, there is to be an announcement made in the coming days.
This could be another 'holding' statement, agreement for refinancing, or a preferred bidder has been chosen
Honest Red
06 Sep 2010 16:48:37
Roy Hodgson has a really tough job on at LFC getting the team to play as a team, keeping the old pros and the foreigners he inherited happy and at 63, knowing he will be fairly short-lived in the game.
I just hope we will all be patient (which we always have been) and give him our support.
We couldn't have a more genuine guy or someone who is more focussed on ending his career in a blaze of glory.
People talk about the "stability" he will bring - believe me he is hungrier than that and with our sustained backing, he'll produce a "mean machine". Not next week, or next month but 2011 could be worth the Sky TV subscription . . . maybe?
It's a good marriage lads, believe me.
06 Sep 2010 16:40:54
Best XI(for key games against Top Four teams and late stages of competitions):
- - - - - - - - - - - - Reina- - - - - - - - - - -
Johnson- - - - -Carragher- -Agger- - - Konchesky
- - - - - - - Meireles- - - - -Poulsen/ Lucas- - - -
Babel/ Kuyt- - - - - - - Gerrard- - - - - - - - Cole
- - - - - - - - - - - Torres- - - - - - - - - - - -
All other league games and FA Cup:
- - - - - - - - - - - - Reina- - - - - - - - - - -
Johnson- -Skrtel/ Carragher- - Agger- - -Konchesky
- - - - - - - - -Meireles- - -Gerrard- - - - - - -
Babel- - - - - - - - - Cole- - - - - - - Jovanavic
- - - - - - - - - - - - - Torres- - - - - - - - -
Europa League and League Cup:
- - - - - - - - - - - -Jones- - - - - - - - - - -
Kelly- - - - -Skrtel/ Soto- -Wilson- -Aurelio/ Mavinga
- - - - - - Shelvey- - - - - - Lucas- - - - - - -
Babel/ Maxi- - - - - - -Pacheco- - -Jovanavic/ Maxi
- - - - - - - - - - - Ngog- - - - - - - - - - - -
I think our squad looks pretty solid and there is more depth than I thought. I think we can easily get top 4. This is a side that should get 3rd this year as long as Torres stays fit. What do you guys think?
YNWA
06 Sep 2010 16:35:26
06 Sep 2010 16:23:03
My point was that all these ex players have some sort of power in their respective clubs no matter how they received it.
Blair Mayne YNWA
I find it unfair as you can't give one player something and then the other maybe nothing.
I mean would let Igor Biscan be our ambassador or something?
The idea is grand but you can't just give it to anyone, maybe a poll for the fans of some sort to vote?
The big, massive, gigantic difference is that Kenny, Charlton and Quinn are and always have been treated like Gods at their clubs.
Can you honestly say the same about Igor Biscan?
Blair Mayne YNWA
06 Sep 2010 16:34:01
@ Macca
If what you say is true about already having been taken over then why the holdup, there would be no reason to delay an announcement, especially as they know about the protests etc that are going ahead (check RAWK/ TLW), when you bear in mind that people who work in the club frequent these sites then there is only a couple of possibilties:
1 You're making it up (wumming)
2 You're "insider" is making it up, if so its to try and
prevent any protests etc.
06 Sep 2010 16:33:58
We will only get 1/ 2 signings in January:
A striker and/ or left winger. Which is all we need, so this should be our squad, after January:
Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Agger, Konchesky, Cole, Meireles, Poulsen, LW, Gerrard, Torres. Bench: Jones, Skrtel/ Aurelio/ Kyrgiakos/ Kelly/ Ayala/ Wilson/ Lucas/ Babel/ Maxi/ Kuyt/ Jovanovic/ ST?
06 Sep 2010 16:32:39
06 Sep 2010 16:28:11
Team 1
- - - - -Reina - - - - -
Johnson-Carra-Agger-Konch
- - Poulsen- Meireles- -
Jovan- - Gerrard - - Cole
- - - - -Torres - - - - -
Team 2
- - - - -Reina - - - - -
Johnson-Carra-Agger-Konch
Jovan-Gerrard-Meireles-Cole
- - - Babel - Torres - - -
Same as Team 2 different formation
- - - - -Reina - - - - -
Johnson-Carra-Agger-Konch
- - -Gerrard-Meireles- - -
Jovan- - -Cole- - -Babel
- - - - - -Torres - - - - -
Ed with Kuyt now out for several weeks witch team would you like as a startin line up or if you have one your self i would like to see it
I would like to see Team 2
Rude Boy
YNWA
{Editor's note - I would like to see team 2 with Gerrard being able to push forward as well.}
06 Sep 2010 16:28:11
Team 1
- - - - -Reina - - - - -
Johnson-Carra-Agger-Konch
- - Poulsen- Meireles- -
Jovan- - Gerrard - - Cole
- - - - -Torres - - - - -
Team 2
- - - - -Reina - - - - -
Johnson-Carra-Agger-Konch
Jovan-Gerrard-Meireles-Cole
- - - Babel - Torres - - -
Same as Team 2 different formation
- - - - -Reina - - - - -
Johnson-Carra-Agger-Konch
- - -Gerrard-Meireles- - -
Jovan- - -Cole- - -Babel
- - - - - -Torres - - - - -
Ed with Kuyt now out for several weeks witch team would you like as a startin line up or if you have one your self i would like to see it
06 Sep 2010 16:23:51
What's RH going to do with Kuyt out, as well as Ngog?
Its a bummer in that it might force a change of tactics, but maybe there's a plus in that players like Pacheco will get more game time. Will it mean Maxi steps in, or Jovanovic spends more time on the right?
06 Sep 2010 16:23:03
My point was that all these ex players have some sort of power in their respective clubs no matter how they received it.
Blair Mayne YNWA
I find it unfair as you can't give one player something and then the other maybe nothing.
I mean would let Igor Biscan be our ambassador or something?
The idea is grand but you can't just give it to anyone, maybe a poll for the fans of some sort to vote?
06 Sep 2010 16:11:46
In a nut shell the date set by rbs is the 6th of october the bank is turning the screw for repayment as the clock ticks the yanks make less profit they either sell before or make nothing its happening now and i for one can't wait untill the 6th to see tose to yanks not make a penny but quiet possibly loose money
06 Sep 2010 15:58:37
Kuijt has injured his shoulder in training and will be out of action for at leats two weeks.
Mal 2
06 Sep 2010 15:56:10
To all LFC fans, i can guarantee that the takeover is done. I do not know who has taken us over but it is done. All these people saying they have info are talking out of there arse. Basically all the people involved have had to sign confidentiallity agreements. My source is one of the main men at Anfield and his exact words where it is done. (he could not say anymore). I have posted this to keep all the true Liverpool fans up to date. You have my word this is fact. Hi Ed, can you confirm that most of my postings usually happen just to add a bit credibillity to what i am saying? Thanks Macca
{Editor's Note: I can neither confirm nor deny the success rate of your predictions.}
06 Sep 2010 15:31:29
I hope Spurs make the last 16 of the champions league or even a quarter final. This will make their chances of finishing fourth difficult especially after Christmas where good form and focus are needed most.
06 Sep 2010 14:47:51
Blair . .
Sadly this is not the case in my opinion.
Sir Bobby Charlton was 'reluctantly' accepted as a director at a club that even tried to bar it's own great manager (Busby) from moving upstairs when he stood down from manager.
Nial Quin only has the power he has becuase he was part of a group that bought out the board.
Kenny Dalglish should have been in the same authorative position as Rummennigge and Beckenbauer but neither Moores nor the Yonks have bothered to elevate him to that.
Your points (with great respect) bear that out.
At least two of the above should have been promoted to the main board, but I suspect the owners felt they were meployees and not worth listening to.
A scandal in the English game.
My point was that all these ex players have some sort of power in their respective clubs no matter how they received it.
Blair Mayne YNWA
06 Sep 2010 14:34:16
Blair . .
Sadly this is not the case in my opinion.
Sir Bobby Charlton was 'reluctantly' accepted as a director at a club that even tried to bar it's own great manager (Busby) from moving upstairs when he stood down from manager.
Nial Quin only has the power he has becuase he was part of a group that bought out the board.
Kenny Dalglish should have been in the same authorative position as Rummennigge and Beckenbauer but neither Moores nor the Yonks have bothered to elevate him to that.
Your points (with great respect) bear that out.
At least two of the above should have been promoted to the main board, but I suspect the owners felt they were meployees and not worth listening to.
A scandal in the English game.
06 Sep 2010 14:23:50
06 Sep 2010 14:09:12
As one of the perpetrators of this thread on working class (heroes) then I should be one of those to say stop it now and let's get on with discussing the club. If you want to crow about being working class or bitch about other 'classes' carry on.
For my part, I want to ask why it is that we have not embraced the German model (as mentioned earlier last week) and have ex-players as directors?
Two of my clients are in German football and one is from Cologne - they embrace footballers like Rummnigge and Beckenbauer and use them as senior club officials. Don't fall into the old trap and think 'our players are too thick or too stupid' to be a director. I believe it is more a case of the fundamental structure of the Premier League clubs. Many onwers regard themselves as 'emperors' and say 'it's my money, I'll do what I like.'
In Germany the majority of clubs have a percentage owned by the fans and many large companies - Medion, VW-Audi and Bayer - have large stakes in the clubs. Consequently German football is financially very stable. Borussia Dortmund's average home gate is 26% higher than anyone else's in Europe based on capacity, cost and number of games. They have around 80,000 per game!
Over here, we see football as a mad dash for success fuelled by other people's money. In Germany it is a steady progress on and off the field. It can work here, but the mentatility of the English game would need a very big overhaul first.
P.S. The retort that the Bundesliga isn't as exciting as the PL doesn't wash.
Do you not think that is the case with some English clubs?
With LFC having Kenny i know not a director but close enough to one as he has some power in the corridors at LFC. I hate to say this but Bobby Charlton is a director at MAN'URE and Naill Quinn is Chairman of Sunderland.
There are other ex players who hold good positions in good clubs but it'll take to long to go through them all.
Blair Mayne YNWA
06 Sep 2010 14:09:12
As one of the perpetrators of this thread on working class (heroes) then I should be one of those to say stop it now and let's get on with discussing the club. If you want to crow about being working class or bitch about other 'classes' carry on.
For my part, I want to ask why it is that we have not embraced the German model (as mentioned earlier last week) and have ex-players as directors?
Two of my clients are in German football and one is from Cologne - they embrace footballers like Rummnigge and Beckenbauer and use them as senior club officials. Don't fall into the old trap and think 'our players are too thick or too stupid' to be a director. I believe it is more a case of the fundamental structure of the Premier League clubs. Many onwers regard themselves as 'emperors' and say 'it's my money, I'll do what I like.'
In Germany the majority of clubs have a percentage owned by the fans and many large companies - Medion, VW-Audi and Bayer - have large stakes in the clubs. Consequently German football is financially very stable. Borussia Dortmund's average home gate is 26% higher than anyone else's in Europe based on capacity, cost and number of games. They have around 80,000 per game!
Over here, we see football as a mad dash for success fuelled by other people's money. In Germany it is a steady progress on and off the field. It can work here, but the mentatility of the English game would need a very big overhaul first.
P.S. The retort that the Bundesliga isn't as exciting as the PL doesn't wash.
06 Sep 2010 14:06:45
To Bob The Red,
Brilliant post! I used top stand on the right hand side of the Kop (looking out at the pitch) and remember a similar "character" who would eff & jeff at whoever was having a quiet game. .anyway about 3 matches later a very fed up fellow fan ended up physically picking him up and handing him to a copper! The look on the blokes face was priceless! (those were the days! ).
Have not set foot in Anfield since 1989, can anyone tell what the Kop is like these days? Hard to tell from the telly.
Mild Mannered YNWA
06 Sep 2010 14:02:57
Regarding the Ed's comment at 06 Sep 2010 13:26:40:
"What makes you think that the club could possibly be (a) taken over by RBS; (b) sold by RBS for £270M?
Sharkey.
{EDITOR'S NOTE: The bank will want their money back of the loan}"
It is perfectly possible that the bank will want the loan repaid - but it is only one of the options available: (1) RBS could extend the loan period - after all, all interest payments on the loan have been met by Hicks & Gillett - although they did of course fail to meet their commitment to sell the club in the agreed timescale; (b) Hicks & Gillett may get a better deal by refinancing the debt through a third party - BarCap for instance - noting that BarCAp already have the funding in place; (c) the owners may sell part of the business for sufficient to clear the debt - although this would invariably result in them losing overall control, or possibly enough of the debt allowing them to retain control and refinancice the remainder; (d) the owners may have been replaced by October and the debt dispositioned. One thing is absolutely clear, if the bank chooses to try and take hold of the full asset they could well end up in the courts for months or even longer. Additionally, unlike the view put forward on the scaremongering blog posted by Willie Gannon, they will not simply be able to offload the club for the value of the debt - it will have to be put on the market at a fair and reasonable value.
Sharkey.
06 Sep 2010 13:57:57
The site gone down hill , we all have to Remember we all Support the same Team .Stop all this Sh-t .YNWA
{EDITOR'S NOTE: What has went down hill mate}
06 Sep 2010 13:57:04
"Whether they are scouse or from somewhere else, private/ public school it makes little difference to me"
Well that is not true, what about your rant about public school? You never answered what you do either!
06 Sep 2010 13:33:48
06 Sep 2010 13:04:42
To- Bob the Red and Malcolm Webb etc, I think we all counted ourselves as Working Class untill we went to Goodison Park now we look at ourselves as Middle Class.
Blair Mayne YNWA
BRILLIANT! GOOD POINT!
06 Sep 2010 13:30:32
Did anybody hear Tony Evans the Liverpool fan and Deputy Football Editor for The Times on Talksport yesterday evening. After reporting a few weeks ago that the Kenny Huang bid was the 'only bid' and that Liverpool were now in trouble after Huang dropped his 'supposed' bid, Evans seemed to pull back from that viewpoint by seemingly stating that Liverpool would be a good buy for many rich people and there would be great interest because the football club is greatly admired throughout the world for what it stands for.
06 Sep 2010 13:27:24
Bob
Thank you.
You have said more in your last post than I could reply to.
Enough said and know I really do know where you are coming from!
06 Sep 2010 13:26:40
Dickie Di Doh and the Ed bantered at 06 Sep 2010 13:20:18:
"I know everyone loves a good rumour ( me included ) but think about it. .would you buy Liverpool now for the supposed 400-500 mill asking price or would you wait until RBS decide that they have had enough and take over the club on 6th Oct when any potential owners can pick up the club for 270 mill or thereabouts which is what RBS will be looking for to clear the debt? What do you think Ed? do you see it a different way?
{EDITOR'S NOTE: I see what you mean mate but you never know it could happen sooner or it could drag out ;-)}"
What makes you think that the club could possibly be (a) taken over by RBS; (b) sold by RBS for £270M?
Sharkey.
{EDITOR'S NOTE: The bank will want their money back of the loan}
06 Sep 2010 13:24:07
Malcolm,
I don't think we've met. I'm Bob. I have no issues with anything of your last post whatsoever. I don't tend to judge people on first opinion/ statement. I tend to find it isn't long before a k* b proves he's a k* b so i'm usually patient enough to have my initial thoughts proven. Whether they are scouse or from somewhere else, private/ public school it makes little difference to me as proved by the complete moron i sat by during the Wolves game last year who went off on a 10 minute rant about Gerrard then when he scored the header went off on one about him being the only saviour of the club and started mouthing off about some of the other players. If you're reading fatty, yes you with the ingredients of a pukka pie down your top, this is the man that told you to stuff another pie in your gob and do us all a favour. Where was I? You mentioned your profession as if a Lawyer/ Solicitor is higher up the social ranking. I spend time with both Solicitor's and criminals together alike. At times i struggle to tell the two apart, both lie like a cheap watch in Court, the only difference one gets paid a huge amount for the little work he does, the other gets paid even more and wears a tie 5 days a week. If you want to have a conversation with a Judgmental person, you could have a word with your Partners in the firm, they usually tend to look down their noses with remarkable skill. Never short of the anecdotal quip about their upbringing, house, salary, holiday etc.
If i had a choice about who i sat by at a football match, i have one criteria. Knowledge of football full stop, regardless of plum in mouth or finishing every sentence with 'you know what i mean like, la?'
Bob the Red
06 Sep 2010 13:20:18
I know everyone loves a good rumour ( me included ) but think about it. .would you buy Liverpool now for the supposed 400-500 mill asking price or would you wait until RBS decide that they have had enough and take over the club on 6th Oct when any potential owners can pick up the club for 270 mill or thereabouts which is what RBS will be looking for to clear the debt?? What do you think Ed? do you see it a different way?
Dickie Di Doh
{EDITOR'S NOTE: I see what you mean mate but you never know it could happen sooner or it could drag out ;-)}
06 Sep 2010 13:09:47
Blimey,
I come back from my holidays in sunny North Wales and this banter / rumour site has become a political forum!
Looking at both sides I would say it is very easy for Malcom to say there is no such thing as class when you are wealthy. Things look a little different if your skint.
Having said that I would agree that the old ways of looking at "class" are changing (thank goodness).
More to the point. .LFC. . agree with Bob AND Malcolm. . you are both right!
Mild Mannered YNWA
06 Sep 2010 13:04:42
To- Bob the Red and Malcolm Webb etc, I think we all counted ourselves as Working Class untill we went to Goodison Park now we look at ourselves as Middle Class.
Blair Mayne YNWA
06 Sep 2010 12:55:06
Thank you for your second posting Bob the Red.
My failure to sign my earlier posts was more a matter of not thinking I was all that important to register in people's minds.
With your request I have at the end of this.
I believe this whole topic emanated from the discussion about working class people.
I live in Wimbledon and as a lifelong Liverpool fan I have no axe to grind about location, profession nor class.
I DO have a long-standing irritation with people who want to claim a part of the world their own and wear their social standing as a badge.
I am told I am upper middle class - because I earn a great deal of money as compared to most people, live in a wealthy part of London and talk with an accent I honed at Charterhouse public school and Oxford.
Yet I do not regard myself as anything like that!
I am no different to thousands of other people.
I do not have a class agenda and I do not respect anyone who does.
I have met people with a sense of snobbery (and inverted snobbery) and I hate it.
I support LFC and have done since school.
Great club and like most things in the world, there are fans and detractors from across the ether.
Don't confuse your hatred of people in other jobs as being of interest to the greater populace.
I may talk differently to you, drive a different car (four year-old Toyota Prius with an LFC sticker in the window) and live in SW19, but we are not that different in our support of a great club.
Too many people hide behind class and use it as a weapon or shield. I don't.
As for anything dodgy being said about my profession, my legal instincts would say that was not the case and I reiterate - I live in the real world!
Malcolm Webb
06 Sep 2010 12:52:59
You're meant to be a lawyer, there shouldn't be anything dodgy about any part of your profession. I rest my case Your Honour. Oh and sign your posts, but in keeping to type, that's a little too transparent.
Bob the Red
Bob what is your job? Although I doubt that the "lawyer" is as he says. He has not constructed a coherent argument yet!
06 Sep 2010 12:43:11
QUOTE "My profession is as healthy, dodgy, secure, exemplary, poor, distrusted, admired, respect as many, many other jobs." UNQUOTE
You're meant to be a lawyer, there shouldn't be anything dodgy about any part of your profession. I rest my case Your Honour. Oh and sign your posts, but in keeping to type, that's a little too transparent.
Bob the Red
06 Sep 2010 12:42:03
Just a few thing for the man who had his really long rant (which your entitled to btw) bootle is in sefton and kirkby is in knowsley :) {ed's note - Bootle is the centre of the universe though ;o)}
06 Sep 2010 12:26:00
Bob the Red.
If you do not have anything constructive to say, then try not to post nonsense.
You are either 14 and not too well edcuated, or you are older and sadly in the same boat.
You call yourself Bob the Red to signify there is something special about you.
Check the long posting from earlier this morning.
The cap there seems to understand a bit about some fans and you seem to fall into one of his cited categories.
My profession is as healthy, dodgy, secure, exemplary, poor, distrusted, admired, respect as many, many other jobs.
Happy to read what you have to say, but not interested in gibberish and childish retorts.
If you can't explain yourself or want to impress your mates, then the way is to construct a reasoned message.
06 Sep 2010 12:22:11
06 Sep 2010 11:13:40
Working class is such a redundant term now. I would say that actually we have a lumpenproletariat class and then lower to middle class. I think it is really education that seperates people now in "classes". Socialism is quite dead too, replaced with "equality of opportunity" which is probably the fairest way to go. Politics now really own affects the really rich and the really poor. How can clubs like Liverpool call themselves working class clubs when players earn more in a month than some people earn in a lifetime. As ever there is an uneven distrubution of wealth! Cannot blame the fact the "80%" people in Parliament went to Cambridge; surely we want out leaders to be intelligent!
Welcome to the site our dear beloved Education Secretary Michael Gove.
Keeping an eye on our grammer are you?
Blair Mayne YNWA
06 Sep 2010 12:16:01
Lawyer/ Solicitor/ Barrister = Legalised Criminal. Enough Said.
Bob the Red
06 Sep 2010 11:26:02
Peter Gilchrist is just some Scottish kid who pretends to know stuff when he doesnt, because hes a f**t.
06 Sep 2010 11:23:38
"Football is not just a game for young people"
Thank God I found someone who thinks like me!
Dead right mate and as a 39 year old father of two teenage boys your spot on with that one.
Better point you made was about the gobby sods who think you gotta be from Scouseland to support the club.
I'm in Lincoln and I'm as much a fan as anyone.
The bit where you said you got stick from other posters, don't bother withem. Too much crap posted on here from people who got no respect for others.
Like what you wrote and some more please mate!
06 Sep 2010 11:13:40
Working class is such a redundant term now. I would say that actually we have a lumpenproletariat class and then lower to middle class. I think it is really education that seperates people now in "classes". Socialism is quite dead too, replaced with "equality of opportunity" which is probably the fairest way to go. Politics now really own affects the really rich and the really poor. How can clubs like Liverpool call themselves working class clubs when players earn more in a month than some people earn in a lifetime. As ever there is an uneven distrubution of wealth! Cannot blame the fact the "80%" people in Parliament went to Cambridge; surely we want out leaders to be intelligent!
{Editor's Note: I am not sure the club refers to iteself as "working class" but I am not sure that there is much of a cross-over between Marxism and football. If you are expecting a lengthy intelligent debate on this subject I think that you may be disappointed.}
06 Sep 2010 10:51:28
My advice would be if you want a successful bid to happen, take it easy and don't get too involved in spreading internet rumours, just for a little while at least.
It is very tempting, but it could be damaging.
As the Ed says, some of the potential bidders are people who have a deep distaste for doing business in the glare of the media circus, People like that might actually be put off by having their business affairs splashed over the internet or on SSN before they've even agreed to anything, so I'm actually hoping it doesn't leak too early!
06 Sep 2010 10:46:57
Well said to that bloke that wrote that long, long posting this mornin about club supporting. Didn't get all the words bro but understood it and yur dead rite about what you say.
06 Sep 2010 10:27:41
Thank you YNWA but this is in many ways related to football, this crass ideology and working class hero tosh.
This is a website where we praise and talk about people earning more in two days than many of us do in a year!
So what the hell is that bloke banging on about things being unfair?! !
That Lawyer bloke is dead right and I'm on the dole at the mo, but see his point.
06 Sep 2010 10:16:36
Andy Burnham at least he is one footballer who stuck to his roots.
What by standing by while his local constituancy club Leigh struggles being shafted by council decisions and never helped. .ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE. .more faces than worzel gummidge. . and yes i am working CLASS. .
06 Sep 2010 10:15:04
To the guys that are arguing about politics, is it possible for either of you to see that this is a FOOTBALL website, i, like others come here to read about Liverpool, the rumours and the banter, suprisingly not politics, PLEASE go and bore to death somebody else! !
YNWA
06 Sep 2010 09:57:07
Mr Lawyer your a joke go back and vote for Cameron!
Politics and in particular class politics are not a thing of the past! Just because deluded individuals want to believe that we are now all socially mobile 3rd way post ideology. Communites throughout the Uk not just Liverpool were ripped apart by a right wing Tory agenda that was designed to destroy the labour movement and their communites.
Shankly was a socialist so was Brian Clough, both would agree that people working should take pride in their work but you miss the point while some like yourself have work millions are out of work or paid piss wages THATS A SYSTEM THAT IS UNFAIR. So you believe class politics is over look at West minister if 80% of citizens went to Eton or Cambridge then its reflective of society!
Give Cameron 5 more years and the class divide will look pretty wide!
06 Sep 2010 09:41:53
"Thats right Kelvin has always stood by the SCUMS reports! He is an evil facist C* T! I don't understand anyone LFC or not who could buy the SCUM or vote Tory cause that rag and that party have consistently tried to destroy WC communities."
WC? You mean working class?
I'm a lawyer and I have to work for my money, so I presume that makes me working class?
Or did you just mean that you work with your hands, or you're a labourer to be working class or that it's some sort of old-fashioned badge of honour?
Some plumbers make £70,000 - they working class?
This is 2010 not not 1964.
Working class!
Just an old expression that politicians and angry people use.
06 Sep 2010 09:34:45
I was going to start by asking the same question I have been asking since Wednesday morning (why did we not get a striker of any sort during the transfer window?) but things have moved on since then.
On that particualr point - Nathan Eccleston looked sharpish the other day in Carragher's testimonial and I hope we may see more of him (with Pachecho) this season. Not that I'm confident of that.
I was also pleased to see the way Shelvey played and he is another I would like to see more involved; on that point, whatever Roy said to Torres and Gerrard to persuade them to stay - what did Benitez say to Shelvey to persuade him to sign? I hope it wasn't that he would be with the first team squad, as that does not appear to be case at the moment.
I was disturbed for want of a more apposite word, that so many posters on the site berate and slag off other posters who criticise the club and its players.
I don't like to be told to "get behind the boys" or "support the team" no matter what happens, as if to say anyone who has a go at the club is doing wrong. Wise up guys!
We (fans) pay money and some of us have been paying for 30+years to watch and support the team. Some of us travel across Europe and to every home game and many of us subscribe to the E-Ticket services and club merchandise. We have every right to bitch and complain when things don't go right. In my 36 years of paying to support the club, I have never not got behind the team (if you understand the grammatical lapse to make the point) but I don't want anyone to tell me to shut up and support the club.
The problem with football in general is that support is often hijacked by the minority and most vocal supporters. Older supporters get harangued because they are not down the pub, not living in the city, not screaming from the Kop or wandering around Liverpool in a club replica top. Yet supporting the club is far more than doing that - and far more than just shelling out money. It's about having an opinion on the club, the players and the future.
There has been so much abuse of Sammy Lee on here last week; Houllier over the past few days; Benitez and Roy's speech impediment. I'm not interested in joining in the abuse, but I AM interested in making my points about those people and how they are working in 'my club.'
Someone posted the other day and told me to 'wind my neck in' and 'nobody is interested in what you have to say' following a long post about players last week. Trouble is, many of us are interested in what others have to say. This way is the way to the future, where supports can discuss and agree or disagree. In football there is a vast chasm between the supporters and the clubs in the Premier League. Fans should me a little more united than many of us are on this site. BUT . . it doesn't mean we are not supporting or behind the team when we criticise and suggest ideas for the way forward.
I remember when Newcastle fans and some early Chelsea fans slagged off the corporate hospitality box fans. Who did they think pumped vast amounts into their clubs - the companies who bought and hired the boxes!
Foootball is not a game for just young people; they may play it and support it, but so did thousands of older people who don't wear trackies and Nike trainers, shave their heads, drink Lucozade and read Harry Potter! It takes all sorts to make a club fanbase strong.
Liverpool FC has that fanbase and it belongs to far more than just the people in your neck of the woods. Supporters CAN come from Guildford and not Kirkby, they can be from Walthamstow and not Bootle, and it doesn't make them any less a fan than you are.
Final point; I said last week that we are an average club with a massive history and that caused outrage with some fans on here. Prove me wrong then. We are a team fighting for fourth or fifth place. We are cash-strapped and suffering from financial issues on and off the field. We have unsettled players and media doubters, but it is still my club. It is still my club after 47 years; still my club with a season-ticket in my hand; still my club with anger when we lose and joy when we win. So don't lecture me about how to support, when to support or what to believe in.
I believe in Liverpool FC - an average club with a massive history and it's MY club! {ed's note - I just wanted to point out one thing, I have it on good authority that Shelvey has a first team games clause in his contract. Basically he has to be included in a small number of first team games this season, probably only 3 or 4, and that is Premier League games not cup matches.}
06 Sep 2010 09:32:03
I had the utmost respect for Luis Garcia when he was playing for us, and it was great to see him on Saturday (great goal), however these people who are posting that we should resign him should really look at things in perspective.
Yes he did look good, however it was a Testimonial match, Everton's players stood off him and gave him plenty of time on the ball to do his little tricks and nice touches, unfortunately in the "real" world that is the Premiership, he simply won't be given, or allowed that much time or space (unfortunately).
In truth, and irrespective of how much respect I have for the man, I thought he struggled at times to come to grips with the cut and thrust of the Premiership (slightly lightweight), that said, three years on and I'd probably still take him over Lucas, even though they play in different positions and completely different games.
06 Sep 2010 09:17:17
Morning Ed
From what I've read in the newspapers I don't think the takeover will happen before October. Why would anyone want to deal with the yanks now when you can wait for RBS to take control and then talk to them and get a sensible plan and price agreed. We can't buy anyone until the transfer window now so there's no real rush
What are your thoughts? {ed's note - I agree with you that it will go down to the wire and the two clowns who own the club will either be forced to accept a lower offer or RBS will do it for them.}
06 Sep 2010 09:12:21
Vdv snubbed liverpool b4 joining spurs! !spurs gonns finish 7th mark my words
06 Sep 2010 08:51:13
ED you said there will be no RBS takeover. I also feel this will not happen as its not something that will help their image during a difficult time for the bank, but this is only my hunch YOU SEEM SURE! So have you heard encouraging news? I know you couldnt give details and reveal sources etc but should LFC fans be hopefull and optimistic re takeover or im I reading too much into your comments.
Belfast Red
{Editor's Note: You are reading too much in to the comment. There is no way that RBS would be able to take over the club.}
06 Sep 2010 08:13:15
Rumours @ Liverpool could be takeover by RBS in october if H&G fails to settle loan payment or finding buyer. . All buyers are waithing for RBS takeover so that value of the club could drop frm 800m G&H askin price to 600m. Another source saying takeover might complete before RBS takeover in october. . related buyers so far. . Ambani , Huang again , Kirdi , Al Khrafi and few more names were kept secret. Lets hope one of htis info is true. YNWA
{Editor's Note: There will be no takeover by RBS.}
06 Sep 2010 07:54:37
If the banks do take control of the club, won't this open the door for people who don't really have proper funds to make a bid (as the club will be sold for much cheaper)?
06 Sep 2010 06:11:26
Reina
johnson carra shawcross konchesky
kuyt gerrard meireles turan
cole
torres
Im very frustrated as i feel these two new players would make us challenge for the title, can i have your opinion ed, i know this is only a starting 11 but i feel left wing and centre back transfers were needed, skirtel and agger are only average and we are not very good aerially at the back. thoughts please. . . . . . .
{Editor's note - I am not sure about Shawcross, he gives away a lot of free kicks with his rough tackilng}
06 Sep 2010 00:47:02
With the club in financial disaster at the moment there is no point saying we are guna be buying people over 15 million. We need a good quality right winger as kuyt is never one. He has to be decent enough at defending as we have glen Johnson who gallops forward non stop. So the right mid has to be able to do a shift. For the money we have there is only 3 options in my opinion.
1. David Bently- is a very good performer and is likely at times to do something amazing. Ask arsenal fans. Can be in and out of form. 7m-10m.
2. Young albrighton at villa- looks like he has a trick or two and is very willing to do a shift! Young and inexperienced. 2m-5m
3. Arda turn- big noises are coming from turkey that this lad is top drawer. Quick and direct. King kenny loves him. Not proven in a top top league however! 10m-12m.
We are also in desperate need of a striker. Every top club has 2 or even 3 class operators up top with young guns backing them. We need a proven goalscorer. Ngog is young and needs time while torres needs to be given help. I'd like to see forlan brought in. Top class who has scored bags of goals in la liga. he never really did it at united but looks to have grown into a top player. would cost 15m due to age. Two or three years younger he'd be worth 30m.
Easily getable and this is without breaking the bank.
Reina
Johnson carragher agger konchesky
Bently gerrard meirales Cole
Torres. Forlan
Jones
Skrtel
Kelly
Poulsen
Babel
Pacheco
Jovanovic
Kuyt
YNWA
06 Sep 2010 00:01:04
Thats right Kelvin has always stood by the SCUMS reports! He is an evil facist C* T! I don't understand anyone LFC or not who could buy the SCUM or vote Tory cause that rag and that party have consistently tried to destroy WC communities.
Well done to Carra for donating money to Andy Burnham at least he is one footballer who stuck to his roots.