Liverpool Banter Archive November 06 2017

06 Nov 2017 21:12:56
Sorry if it been done to death but what's new with little phil? Why is all kicking off. I must of missed something has he started moaning?

06 Nov 2017 21:28:18
international week and the "injured" coutinho is in the brazil squad.

06 Nov 2017 21:48:12
The injured Henderson is also in the England squad JC, what’s your point?

06 Nov 2017 21:54:24
Smeg, one wants to leave and the other wants to stay. That is the point.

06 Nov 2017 22:22:03
But they are both injured and both have been called up to their national squads, there is no difference in that respect. A player can want to leave and also be injured.

06 Nov 2017 22:42:29
smeg do you not remeber the last round of internationals? ruled out for LFC and started for Brazil like a healing miracle.

06 Nov 2017 22:58:00
No I remember, do you think that this is the same situation again? The Brazilian team doctor has said that he probably won’t be fit for their game against Japan.

06 Nov 2017 23:02:33
if you remember his so called back injury at the start of the season witch kept him out of the Liverpool team yet he turned out for Brazil and its L.F.C. who pay his wages . and Henderson has been playing for Liverpool carrying an injury not like sulking coutinho.

06 Nov 2017 23:30:59
He's just playing it on and needs to be gone, that's as simple as it is, his behaviour has been nothing short of ridiculous because he didn't get his own way, sooner he's out the better.

07 Nov 2017 02:47:49
People need someone. Lovren doesn’t play these days and Moreno has improved so it’s coutunho! And they have been backed by Ed01 who thinks he need to go! So it’s obvious!

07 Nov 2017 06:33:21
Hendo wanted to play against west ham medical team stopped it couts just wants out.

07 Nov 2017 09:03:17
It has nothing with ed001, go watch back the spurs game and see how the world class coutinho lost the ball 30-40 times and i'm not even exaggerating and the worst part about it he never busted a gut to try to win it back. I think you have been watching another Coutinho than the one we have all seen this season.

07 Nov 2017 09:38:34
His head was turned in the summer and this would take some time for him to get back!
You are judging him based on the number of times he lost the ball in a match we were dreadful from start to finish including all other 10 players? Except Salah who has been any good this season?

How quickly you have turned against him! Doesn’t surprise me one bit! Why did you not sell him in the summer? Oh well you thought the club would go into transition mode if we sell him and not replace him adequately. Now that you have started to win a few games without him! He becomes crap!

On one hand you want to sell Coutinho and on the other hand you would welcome Sanchez in a heart beat! Lol! Yea that’s some logic in it! I get that!

07 Nov 2017 10:34:59
again with the jokes, where did i mention Alexis Sanchez? Hmmm?
and Coutinho turned against us, is it very hard for you to understand that? i don't get it. And in the Spurs game he was along with Mignolet and Lovren the worst players on the pitch.

Who has been good this season apart from Salah? Roberto Firmino has been very good
Saido Mane when played has been very good. Oxlade Chamberlain has started to show why the club paid 38 million Euros for him in the last couple of games. Trent Alexander Arnold has played a lot of football for a 18 year old and is developing nicely. Emre Can has had some good games and so has Wijunaldum. Alberto Moreno is a having a good season and has been recalled for the spanish national team.

It seems like if a player can't score as many as Luis Suarez or Score a 30 yard shot like Coutinho does after taking 20 shots you don't rate them as a player, well let me tell you this man, that's how a 5 year old understands and rates football. LOL.

07 Nov 2017 10:48:57
Most of those names recieved dog abuse the day after we got spanked by both City and Spurs! Come back to the same page when we loose to count the number players who has improved / needs to be replaced!
Emre Can has not signed an extension so he is expected to be a crap player! I get that logic!

07 Nov 2017 11:12:10
They didn't receive dog abuse from me, because the defeats had nothing to do with them. And i think Emre Can is a good player no matter if he stays or goes. Klopp and the club don't think he is the best option for his tactics or style i can't do nothing about that.

07 Nov 2017 18:50:59
Harry, you are the king of raining abuse on players you don't like such as Hendo and Ox. You continue to rain abuse on Klopp even when we win. You are now changing your tune with Can as last season, all you did was slam him. Now you are blindly defending Cou by literally making up crap about him being world class and making excuses for him whereas he has been globally poor for us since he got back into the team and was a disgrace in the Spurs game. Stop contradicting yourself and defending the indefensible and maybe many more people would take you seriously. Also, stop being obsessed with Hendo as well cos it is getting creepy.

06 Nov 2017 17:21:10
Ed001 if your about mate just want to ask do you think JK is getting used to the league now i. e. his use of more cautious formations?

{Ed001's Note - yes, he is gradually adapting and realising you can't go hell for leather every week.}

06 Nov 2017 18:57:15
Spot on, Ed. He was alrwady learning to adapt in certain periods even last season espe. near the end where he switched the system to make us more impregnable BUT I think he still believed that his original ethos would work BUT alas, it has not and something had to change. It is impossible for us to continue just flooding the opposition with our players and leaving us thread bare at the back on the counter.

Klopp simply has made us more settled and solid defensively cos our CB's for example, are individually poor so you play a system that protects them and not leave them exposed, which is what he is doing. He has figured out that we can remain solid and still score goals. All we have to do is remain solid and let the front 4 do their thing cos they are that talented. Long may he continued.

06 Nov 2017 19:30:45
Well if he's learning to adapt that show's he does know a thing or two about tactics.

06 Nov 2017 20:21:19
And that there is no need for a dedicated DM ;-) unless you are Mourinho who seems to enyoy playing with eleven.

06 Nov 2017 22:01:07
Barry, you don't get to have the reputation Klopp built and the success he's had in the past if you know nothing about tactics. In fact, it his astute tactics that has allowed him to thrive as he never had the type of money available to him in Germany to rival Bayern, like he does at LFC right now to get the players he wants. He may stubborn at times BUT which manager is not? Provided he is able to change his mind and tweak things, I'm okay with that as only imbeciles never change their minds.

06 Nov 2017 22:15:21
I am glad that Klopp is slowly learning from his mistakes. Stubbornness can be any manager's biggest undoing in the premier league and KLopp has realised he cannot go gung ho every game without leaving our defenders exposed time and again. BUt the again, no matter which system KLopp plays, he needs to upgrade the CB position if we are to battle the likes of City and Chelsea.

07 Nov 2017 00:37:32
Loris, beg your pardon. Yes Klopp doesn't have the $ to rival Bayern at Dortmund. But now he hasn't the $ to rival Citeh, ManU, Chelsea or even Arsenal. I am not sure if that is too far gap to bridge. Pochettino seem doing better .

07 Nov 2017 01:02:49
pochettino is a great manager but let's not forget he has been there for 3 years and is the beneficiary of a progressive club with solid scouting and sustainable recruitment.

07 Nov 2017 02:46:22
There is a pressure on his Job like every employee! He can’t pass another season without winning anything. Top 4 is a mandatory for him to continue in the job!

07 Nov 2017 07:33:26
Changed your mind about klopp again buzzer. About 3 or 4 games ago you'd lost complete faith and were thinking you wrong to be excited about his appointment. I wonder if we hit another slump if you'll go back to calling for his head?

You're a joke mate.

07 Nov 2017 07:55:08
87red, I got upset with Klopp because of his failure to change systems and formation according to the opposition. His shenanigans in the summer window ruined a possible title challenge this summer for not buying good defenders. But he has made attempts to adapt, and I am glad as it benefits LFC. I support the club and want it to do well so whether its Klopp or anyone else who takes LFC to the promised land, I don't care as long as the club wins.

07 Nov 2017 18:56:40
Relaxia, Poch has been there longer than Klopp and tho he has made a lot of progress, he has won nothing since he got there. In fact, he has won nothing in his whole career till now BUT he still has time. We shall see. We will see if he has bridged that gap even tho I agree that he has the most balanced team in the PL, period.

Buzzer, 87red is right. You wanted Klopp gone 4 games ago and you were not the only one upset with results during that time. The rest of us just chose to be more measured and see the trees from the forest, choosing to stick with the team and manager cos we knew it would not last and Klopp is smart enough to adapt even tho he did not do it when we thought he should have.

06 Nov 2017 16:13:34
Afternoon, I hope all are well. Good result for us at the weekend. I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask and I'm happy to move my enquiry to one of the other pages if needed as it's not really livepool related. A question for the ed's. Do you think the World Cup in Qatar 2022 will go ahead or is there any chance of it being moved? it just seems absolutely insane to hold it there and the idea that a global and important sporting event is going to be held in a country suspected and accused of financially supporting terrorism, let alone all the human right abuses that go on daily. I always really enjoy the World Cup and obviously football in general but I'm really turned off from it at the moment. Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - There have been meetings to establish an alternate solution but right now it will go ahead in Qatar. If however matters were to deteriorate further it would not be out of the question that it could move to Australia. There are several complexities including television rights that would need to be addressed.}

06 Nov 2017 16:43:04
Thanks for the response ed002. I'd imagine there would be significant pressure from European leagues and clubs to avoid massive rescheduling. Would that be in Fifas mind or are they more concerned on the commercial ramifications with being associated with Qatar? Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - The schedule wouldn't change.}

06 Nov 2017 17:21:07
If the competition gets moved due to the so called allegations of financing terrorism then it will be great shame because by the same token Russia, UK, US and many other countries should also get ruled out.

If it gets moved I hope it's for the right reasons. Not for some propaganda.

{Ed025's Note - it should never have gone there in the first place for me hanif, to say it was a fiddle is the understatement of the year, countries like qatar with very poor human rights policies should not even be in the frame, and the funding of terrorism is hardly propaganda mate, just my view of course..

06 Nov 2017 18:15:07
It's an absolute fiddle, even for it to be in Russia shows that,

The way Russia carried on wth drug testing should have seen it banned from participating in an international sporting competition never mind hosting one,

{Ed002's Note - Obviously being a Liverpool supporter you have to find something to whine about.}

06 Nov 2017 20:54:50
Interesting Ed. Does that mean you support the use of illicit drugs in sport? Russia had a state-sponsored programme of cheating, was that ok then?

{Ed025's Note - absolutely not ND, they should not get the gig either..

06 Nov 2017 21:30:03
I agree with Lfcder, sadly money talks! Qatar, Russia, there are so many more deserving nations out there, Russia isn’t particularly safe, isn’t rife with racism and football violence. Qatar doesn’t really need explaining. I’m not advocating moving it to the UK but we are set up better than most to accept the tournament. I like when a poorer nation hosts it, although the costs are immense I can’t help but see the magic with local kids getting to support their stars when usually they couldn’t, South Africa, Brazil etc. These games weren’t without their issues but far more deserving than Qatar. I cannot understand your dig at the previous comment ed02? I think it’s a general attitude of football fans globally not just Liverpool that the tournaments aren’t awarded to the most suitable nations? The only positive thing with Qatar is it’s easy to get to now due to it being a major stopover for long haul flights.
Where would alternatives have been? America? uk? spain? Australia? China? I don’t think anything will change now but it would be good to see FIFA and even UEFA grow a pair, from stricter punishments for racism and homophobia during champions league games to withdrawing games from nations like Russia if it is believed not to be safe for fans.

{Ed002's Note - The Uk is not an option. Just more whining about things you clearly don’t understand.}

06 Nov 2017 22:06:31
Sadly other regimes in the area are unhappy that little Qatar has been given the privilege of hosting the World cup but are we kidding ourselves if we think the previous hosts were not awarded the honour on the same basis.
Unfortunately I think the brown envelope culture will continue in the FIFA selection process well into the future.

08 Nov 2017 14:10:52
I don't understand your answer about being a Liverpool fan and having something to whine about?

I stated my opinion about Russia and their apparent state sponsored drugs fiddling and you call it whining?

{Ed002's Note - You are simply whining - the standard trait of Liverpool fans. It is very tedious.}

08 Nov 2017 22:41:32
Thanks Ed,
From you, I take that as a compliment,

Ps, it's spelt 'winning' lol.

06 Nov 2017 14:19:04
Hi Ed01,

I see that you're looking at the idea of opening up a new list for villains of the game.

Can I suggest El Hadji Diouf and Joey Barton?

Would they meet the criteria?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - they would be right near the top of the list mate.}

06 Nov 2017 14:56:51
I'm actually in the middle of doing an article on Craig Bellamy. But it's about how he turned from a villain to a hero with his work in Africa and the change in his attitude in later years of his career.

06 Nov 2017 15:14:48
That list goes on for a while.
Costa
Balotelli
Keane
Vidal
Gattusso
Suarez

To name a few.

06 Nov 2017 15:56:37
What about Johnson? Isn’t he still doing time.

06 Nov 2017 15:58:01
You could add Ben Thatcher to that list.

06 Nov 2017 16:03:36
I don't think it's fair to put Balotelli in as a villain along with the likes of Barton and Suarez, Noshbag.

06 Nov 2017 17:01:50
Which Keane? Roy or Robbie?

Is it Onfield villains Ed?

Is John Terry a villain for his off field behavior, and Ryan Giggs too?

What about Michael Owen and his bullying of the young players and then even Gerrard for similar.

{Ed001's Note - either or mate, on or off.}

06 Nov 2017 17:43:08
Ok Ed this could make really interesting reading, soap time on the Liverpool rumors site, awesome.

{Ed001's Note - might be difficult to research though!}

06 Nov 2017 22:22:25
I would not put Balotelli in the villain category, just a big childish toolbag living in an adult's body.

06 Nov 2017 08:18:34
Ed002

As an American Anglophile what's your take on gun control in the US? Would be interested in your views.

{Ed002's Note - There needs to be far stricter control than there is. Unless there is a need to own a gun they should be kept at shooting clubs or not allowed at all. Pretty much anyone can go and buy any type of guns in pretty much every state without hinder. It is an absolute nonsense and rules similar to the UK should be introduced.}

06 Nov 2017 14:54:51
I think you're spot on Ed.

06 Nov 2017 15:18:31
Problem is, you try taking guns off people that already have guns. Doesn't get you far.

{Ed002's Note - Other countries have managed it perfectly well.}

06 Nov 2017 15:21:36
Ed002 for President.

06 Nov 2017 15:25:05
Thanks Ed002.

I suppose the problem for the US now is that there are so many guns out there and gun control now won’t solve that unless everyone agrees to hand in their weapons and I really don’t see that happening.

It’s a terrible situation for everyone concerned.

{Ed002's Note - Idiots like the NRA have a great deal of support.}

06 Nov 2017 15:27:44
Australia have a good system as well.

{Ed002's Note - Yes indeed.}

06 Nov 2017 15:49:00
My daughter and her fiancée have arranged their upcoming wedding next summer in Las Vegas. at the Mandalay Bay!

I am sure security will be tight but I expect guests who were looking forward to the occasion may now be a little anxious.

{Ed002's Note - They have nothing to worry about Tommy. Numerically the chances of your daughter's wedding party being attacked near zero.}

06 Nov 2017 15:58:42
I think it’s the mindset of a lot of american people, hence the conflict. Unless you live in an area where being eaten by an animal is a legit worry or you’re in ISIS central I cannot fathom any understanding as to why a ‘normal’ person would want a gun.

06 Nov 2017 16:53:11
I live in the most heavily armed state in the country (Kentucky), and we have one of the lowest crime rates, especially in areas of burglary and assault (keep in mind Ky is one of the poorest states in the country too. ) More than 3/ 4 of citizens own firearms in Ky. It's easy to make guns the enemy, and I agree with ed002 that there needs to be more restrictions on who can and can not get them. However, it is also important to recognize that each area, be it a city or town, has different needs. The small town I am from, it is not uncommon to see people carrying pistols on their hip.

I also think its difficult to restrict big crime cities (Chicago, New York, Seattle, etc) from getting guns. The only guns that would be confiscated are those owned by law abiding citizens. Criminals have illegal guns, and would never turn them in in good faith.

There really is no perfect solution. As far as the NRA is concerned; money talks, and they're a big part of the problem. However, don't take my guns away, I've done nothing wrong.

06 Nov 2017 21:01:00
As fascinating as the gun chat is, could we take it to other pages please. People need room on this page to rant on about Migs, have a moan at Hendo and rubbish our defence, don’t ya know!

06 Nov 2017 22:28:53
TjRed, I lived in Cincinnati for 14 years so I know Kentucky very well. Making guns the enemy is not the issue as majority of gun-owners actually support common-sense gun legislation and restrictions. The problem as you say, is the NRA who have most politicians (most conservatives and some red state-democrats) in their pockets and that is where the prob is. It may be difficult to do restrictions in big cities BUT New York has succeeded in doing that over the past decades and crime is actually extremely low there as well as Seattle and other progressive states. Chicago is difficult as they do have gun restrictions (some of the strictest) BUT the illegal guns on the streets come from Indiana, where there is no restrictions at all.

Also, the NRA has hijacked the whole conversation as the 2nd amendment via the Heller case has has been ruled as not being absolute and that people are not a regulated militia hence, gun restrictions can be placed on a federal level and state levels.

But they act as if it is absolute and the extremists buy into it and then by so many guns hence, gun sales go up and they make money an some say, on the backs of victims of mass shootings as they want NO gun regulations at all.

07 Nov 2017 03:59:58
That’s interesting Loris. I am inclined to agree with you on pretty much everything you said. I’m sure the eds want this conversation gone, so let’s leave it at that 😎.

06 Nov 2017 12:35:24
Hi Eds, quick question, players on loan, can they be recalled at any time without penalty, not so much looking at Liverpool players but with Leicester, Everton and now West Ham replacing managers mid way through the season, if the new manager is a strong believer of one or two players the previous manager wasn't, could they be recalled at no cost and put straight into the team?

{Ed001's Note - no. They can only be recalled in a transfer window, for one. Secondly it depends on the deal agreed, you have to have a recall agreement in the deal. Usually there is a compensation figure to be paid if you do recall a player.}

06 Nov 2017 12:49:05
I thought there would be some sort of compensation but wasn't aware could only be done during transfer window, thanks for the info ed.

{Ed001's Note - the rules changed recently, I can't remember whether it was for this season or last season, about the recalls only during transfer windows.}

06 Nov 2017 13:28:42
I remember us recalling jay spearing when lucas was out innured.

06 Nov 2017 12:04:02
Klopp sacking coaches left-right-center. Bilic is out.

06 Nov 2017 13:21:32
Lol I'd of been surprised if he didn't get sacked today, had to happen, I'm surprised they didn't do it any earlier.

07 Nov 2017 02:42:50
Klopp is a specialist at this. He got LVG (Bayern), Bilic (WH) and Shakespear (LC) sacked. HOWEVER his crown jewel is still getting Mou sacked TWICE at Real Madrid and at Chelsea ( I know, I'm stretching it a bit) . It's what he does. Klopp is poison to managers on the brink.

06 Nov 2017 11:02:03
I have to say i love firmino, And as an all round player he is quality.

But he should not be our striker, We talk about how the defence puts too much pressure on our attackers to have to score more than 1 goal a game because they will always concede. But firmino also puts extra pressure on man, salah and coutinho to score every game because he wastes a lot of chances himself to score.

This is no way a condemnation of firmino but if he is going to be our striker he has to be clinical, You can't ask our defenders to defend 1st before trying to play and not ask our striker to score first.

We should have allowed coutinho to leave and put firmino into the 10 position and bought a striker like belotti who can do what firmino does but also can finish.

He reminds me of Luis Gargia, scores screamers he has no right to score e. g vs juventus 05 and vs stoke last season, but also screws every 1 on 1 wide when he should be finishing those.

Just my opinion.

06 Nov 2017 12:54:54
Without Firmino's movement to create space, which other out and out strikers may not offer, mane and salah would score a lot less goals, firmino is essential to the way we play and you see how much we lose when mane or salah have been unavailable and he's put on the wing to allow a striker, in any other position, firmino is a lot less effective so I believe the balance we have with the front three is 100% correct for now.

06 Nov 2017 19:39:34
SH, I suggest you go watch Firmino in full flow in the WH game again and then you will see that he is THE linchpin in everything we do. He is the reason Salah, Mane and Cou, score the goals they score. Did you see how he turned Reid for the chance he laid onto Ox to score. If that is not true CF play then I don't know what is. Without him, our wide forwards are not as effective. Saying he puts lots of pressure on Salah, Mane or whoever is strange as him providing them space to run into (something NO other CF will willingly do, btw) is part of his job so I don't know even know what that comment even means.

Sure he should score more BUT that is a separate argument . Bar prolly Suarez, Aguero, Lewandowski and maybe Kane, NO CF can do/ is willing to do what he does in our system cos they are asked to score goals first. He is asked to not just score BUT to mostly provide space for others which is a thankless job. We have scored about 220 goals and counting since Klopp arrived with Firmino playing the CF position and if that is not enough for you then I can't help you.

07 Nov 2017 02:40:44
i would love to see him play in a 442 as a second striker like king Kenny or peter Beardsley. my be play mane up top.

06 Nov 2017 08:03:30
Would it be worth having a look at getting David Luiz as a CB in January if he is not wanted by Conte at Chelsea?

When they won the league last season he seemed to be a big player for them.

He could also play as a defensive midfielder.

Might be an astute and possible January signing?

06 Nov 2017 08:44:03
Not in a million years, Tommy. He is to me, poison to a manager. He is as unreliable and undependable as they come. There is a reason he got booted out of Chelsea by Mou then by PSG as he is lazy, a show pony and a liability on the pitch even tho, he is supremely talented. Sorry, I would rather take Klavan as at least we know what you will get from him esp. when we defend deep in certain situations.

06 Nov 2017 08:59:02
I would love to get him but sadly I think he wouldn't be particularly interested in joining us.

If you had the option of VDV at 70m or Luiz for what I would assume would be in the 30-40m who would you go for?

Luiz any day of the week for me.

Red Sandman.

06 Nov 2017 09:23:14
I'm with you Loris on this one mate your right, I wouldn't want him at Liverpool even if he was free.

06 Nov 2017 09:32:29
Luiz would not be an improvement on the defenders we have. Makes too many mistakes.

06 Nov 2017 09:39:02
I'd go for. VdV if those are the options.
He's the better defender out of the two and we need someone who can defend.

06 Nov 2017 09:48:01
Loris, Luiz is not show pony. When chips are down he is the one rallying the troops, you will never see Hendo doing that. There were times he single handedly haul Chelsea back into game. He can play DM, CB . Luiz influence beyond jus my defence, he doggedness and energy makes him very difficult to play against, you got to watch him when Chelsea go behind, he is like the war cry rallying the troops. We need someone like him.

06 Nov 2017 10:25:07
Yeah Sure Relaxla has nothing to do with the fact it was Kante who single handed protected those CBS not to mention they played a variation of a back 5 with Alonso and Moses as Wingbacks, he had the cover to mess up which he did plenty of times last year.

06 Nov 2017 11:22:20
Chelsea's entire defense looks a shambles without Kante manning the midfield. Its no coincidence that they kept a clean sheet the moment Kante returned. Luiz along with Cahill is part of Chelsea' defensive frailties. Hardly an inspiring signing for our defense which needs discipline and has no Kante protecting it.

06 Nov 2017 12:58:51
Hahaha. I'd rather spend 50 million on rolls of toilet paper.

06 Nov 2017 13:00:40
Didn't he fall a part against Germany in the world cup? He needs a leader long side him to get him through games.

06 Nov 2017 13:55:28
Ask Luis Suarez!

06 Nov 2017 19:45:51
Relaxia, The David Luiz you described exists only in an alternate reality as he does not exist in the real world. Kante and Matic makes any defence look good and the minute they were absent, they and Luiz in particular, were shown to be pants. There is a reason Conte is fed up with him. He is poor, lazy, unreliable and undependable. That is the reality, IMO.

05 Nov 2017 21:24:52
Sorry Eds 01, my son was asking about hard men of yesteryear in football, and I told him about Stuart Pearce, is he on the legends list must be a good story there, Christ didn't he once try to run off a broken leg?

{Ed001's Note - he is no legend, he is a racist scumbag who is a vile prick. Not hard, just a thug. How on earth a guy who had been found guilty of racially abusing other players was allowed to become involved with the England set up and allowed to condemn Luis Suarez for far less than he had been found guilty of in the past I will never know. Maybe I should add a category for villains of football? Can do the likes of him and that German keeper that smashed Just Fontaine etc.}

06 Nov 2017 06:05:08
Harald Schumacher?

06 Nov 2017 06:05:08
Harald Schumacher?

{Ed001's Note - that's him.}

06 Nov 2017 07:19:27
Stuart Pearce and the word legend in the same sentence is just wrong isn't it lol legend? he's nowhere near a legend due to so many reasons. One word for him and it's scum, people like him was and are no good for football. Only thing he's a legend at is been an absolute piece of *****.

06 Nov 2017 07:21:33
Didn't Pearce also strip Gerrard of the England captaincy while they were in the toilet Ed.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, but it sounds like the kind of thing he would do.}

06 Nov 2017 07:52:26
I moved to Nottingham a little under 10 years ago and he's a legend around these parts if you speak to most people. I think what sums him up best is that when he was offered the Forest job in 2014 he postponed starting the job so he could go with his mates at talk sport to watch the World Cup. He had an opportunity at a club where he's loved and he missed the start of pre-season and his job so he could get on the beer with his mates. Utter nob.

06 Nov 2017 08:00:06
Ed01, just a quick tip. Shumacher smashed his studs into the jaws of Patrick Battiston (a disgraceful assault which should have warranted a 6 month ban) in the 1982 WC, not Just Fontaine who played in the 1958 WC.

{Ed001's Note - sorry you are right, not sure why I said Fontaine. That's all the research for the Legends series getting mixed up in my head I think and the first French striker who came to mind!}

06 Nov 2017 11:18:38
I feel a right arsenal now, all I knew was the rags to riches story and facing down his penalty demons, I don't know if I want to read about him now.
The knowledge on this forum is why I'm on here way too much, cheers Ed 01.

{Ed001's Note - don't worry mate, it gave me an idea for a whole new series anyway and you learnt something. I don't see why you should feel an arse for that.}

06 Nov 2017 15:49:35
We've all done it Idontlooklikeklopp :) I'd be happy to see a villain section, there's that many out there past and present who never deserved to be a footballer so will be interesting.