Liverpool Banter Archive January 06 2018

06 Jan 2018 23:19:10
Gutted at coutinho leaving but he has gone and we move on. What a brilliant player he has been for us and it’s shame he wouldn’t see out the season with us. Good luck and wish him all the best at Barcelona F. C. Time for all the rumours on who will replace coutinho. Just wish we spend the money wisely and not waste it like we did with the Suarez money.

07 Jan 2018 00:12:09
Love the thumbs down there, short memory. He's been with us 5 years not 5 months. All the best Coutinho!

07 Jan 2018 01:30:46
At least we still have Mr klopp.

07 Jan 2018 04:14:26
Whatever has gone on coutinho on the pitch he has been magnificent for us. He is leaving us in a very healthy position last 16 of the champions league and 4th in the league. He has contributed to some memorable moments at LFC which should never be forgotten. His behaviour could have been better in getting his dream but maybe he was worried Barcelona would go and sign players and not come back in for him. I am sad at coutinho going but life goes on and wish him well and not be bitter about it. Bought him for 8.5 million and sold him for 146 million how can we really argue with that? Move on fellow reds and trust in klopp to replace him well. Sorry to hear about your loss ed thoughts and prayers with you at such a tragic time.

06 Jan 2018 23:11:08
All the negatives about mahrez if he scores goals which he will then he worth the money.

07 Jan 2018 00:00:22
He can from outside the box which with Coutinho going we’re goig to be short on.

06 Jan 2018 22:57:49
Can I just say that regardless of his behaviour Couthino has given us good service and we move on and on the Mahrez rumour I for one would welcome him, Klopp seems to get the most out of players and for me he's quality.
Id personally love a keeper but appreciate we have a few at present.
YNWA.

07 Jan 2018 01:36:24
Aside from his "back injury" I would agree with you.

Sadly, that tarnishes his legacy at Anfield to some degree.

06 Jan 2018 22:48:35
This might not sit well with a lot of reds fans but I think mahrez is a step forward as Im a big fan. Sure coutinho is a class player and doesn't want to play for us anymore. But who wouldn't to be fare.
I think mahrez is a good player and will be a better team player if that makes sense after 6 pints lol.

06 Jan 2018 22:53:10
It would need more than six pints to convince me.

06 Jan 2018 23:04:35
Positive as ever Mr D.

06 Jan 2018 23:06:36
Lol like that mate, coutinho is good but doesn't deliver all the time. Take the money and move on. No. Point playing a payer that doesn't want to play for you. Marhezyis good alternative for the money but what do i. Know.

06 Jan 2018 22:30:03
As ed002 would say, Mahrez certainly has the stupid hairstyle for Liverpool haha.

He is a great player but would not replace either mane or Salah on the wings (where he plays) so i would rather use get our #1 who I assume is Lemar.

06 Jan 2018 23:07:12
What if mane out of form or injured same wid Salah it's nice to have options plus we could play mahrez behind say Salah an firminio in a diamond with obviously mane as well or a flat 3 up front we building a squad.

06 Jan 2018 23:27:33
Manes been off the boil this season. So actually he could replace mane if he performs. Also he could be a buy looking on to next season if salah is an option to Madrid.

06 Jan 2018 22:25:49
Why are people calling Mahrez substandard? He was the best player in the league by a country mile a couple of seasons back and he's been very good this season. People are questioning his attitude but he's behaved better than Couts has when wanting a move.
I agree I'm not sure where he fits in the side but if he signs I will be happy and will get behind him.

06 Jan 2018 22:48:41
Those same people seem to forget VVD's attitude prior to joining us as well.

06 Jan 2018 22:54:36
Nothing to do with Mahrez attitude. He’s just not as good as people seem to believe. And certainly nowhere near Coutinho’s level.

06 Jan 2018 23:05:02
The same mahrez who downed tools last season and contributed to getting their manager sacked, some people have short memories.

06 Jan 2018 23:14:44
Yeah spot on Mr Dennis, only more assists and goals over the past 2 years. 1 more pfa player of the year award and a premier league title?

Coutinho has 2 good months a year November and December and we've just had those so good riddance.

06 Jan 2018 22:06:29
Fellows happy 2018. I've been out for some days with family so I haven't been able to give you my best wishes for this year for all of you fans and edds. I'm so sorry for your loss edd 01, it's hard to see a friend go, hope he's in a better place.

In regards to coutinho's replacement I'd love to see fekir in Liverpool's shirt; not exactly his direct replacement but those definitely would be make up the next fab four. I guess it will not be possible for this transfer window and I think he'll be off to one of the bigger clubs in europe, but he'll be my choice. This time we have a much better team and with or without direct replacement in this window I hope and think we can still make top 4. Cheers and the best 2018 for all.

06 Jan 2018 21:56:49
Would be really happy if the mahrez deal is true. Would love him behind firmino. Someone you can't get the ball of if he wants to keep it, can drift past a player with ease, great cross and assist rate. Would be our little conductor behind mane salah firmino. Sure the other 2 cm behind him would have to do a bit extra dog work, but i just think back to the season leicester won the league, he was close to being the best player in the world. New team and better players, will give him the right attitude. An more so make me forget about couts :)

06 Jan 2018 22:03:09
Absolutely not benny mate. Don't like mahrez atall. His attitude stinks. As for assist rate? 😂 didn't you mention in the chat room that stats are basically meaningless? Which I agree with btw. He's a quality top class player on his day but I'd prefer lemar simply because he's more versatile aswell. Pulisic would be my favourite but it's just not realistic especially this window anyways.

06 Jan 2018 22:06:40
I'd be very annoyed. It's Suarez all over again.

06 Jan 2018 22:10:22
Coutinhos attitude stunk, but all i keep hearing is how great his stats are this season. so here you go.
Goals since August 2015: R. Mahrez (30) P. Coutinho (28) E. Hazard (26)
Assists since August 2015: R. Mahrez (21) P. Coutinho (18) E. Hazard (10)

Just let that sink in.

06 Jan 2018 22:10:51
oh and as for attitude, don't remember mahrez having a bad back this season.

06 Jan 2018 22:18:27
Agree Benny. He may not be everyone's cup of tea but I'm a big fan of Mahrez and the talent is definitely there. People say he is lazy but Can, Milner, Lallana and Ox ran around last night with no creativity so I'm sure if Klopp brings him in then the creativity we will miss from Couts (that was evident last night) will not be so much of a problem in the future. I trust Klopps judgement and I think if he does come in it could be a case of more humble pie for some LFC fans.

06 Jan 2018 22:21:01
Isn’t mahrez a winger? 🤔.

06 Jan 2018 22:24:15
Leaving aside that he's only played well during transfer windows for the past two seasons, I'll ask this:

How much has he played as a no.10 and how well? Cos any time I've seen him play, it's been from the right coming in on his left foot, and I'm pretty sure that's where he played the one season in his life when he was top class. Given that's Salah's preferred position, and Salah is better than him, I don't think Mahrez is guaranteed, or arguably likely, to start regularly.

I'm sure he'd take to that well and not sulk at all.

06 Jan 2018 22:25:52
WHat about both, Big Al?

Different players, and most importantly, Mahrez is available for the CL.

06 Jan 2018 22:36:13
Lemar is less realistic, lemar costs atleast twice as much, lemar would be cup tied, I’d prefer him too but Mahrez is a quality player.

06 Jan 2018 22:39:44
Pulisic would have been choice to Al! I do think we're in for Mahrez who isn't someone I really wanted but I'll reserve judgement til he plays, on his day he's unplayable but I think he was a large part of Ranieri getting fired which was despicable. But let's see what happens I trust klopp to get the best from him and his knows his hair is awful enough that meets Liverpool criteria.

06 Jan 2018 22:44:48
a winger like coutinho has been his whole career bar 4 games this season? i mean seriously. Any danger of a thought out piece on why mahrez is a bad buy, or is it just unthought out jibes at the player we do here?

06 Jan 2018 22:55:38
Something red if Mahrez comes in and it's still a big if. I'm sure Klopp has thought of all the questions you asked especially the where would he play one. 4 months ago no one wanted the Ox coming in and now it seems like everyone wants to base a new look midfield around him next season. If you watch our pre season friendly against Leicester Mahrez played in a no 10 role that day and absolutely made a mockery of our midfield.

06 Jan 2018 22:59:32
Good point SR, couts has spent his entire career cutting in but was deemed good enough to play cam. David silva started as a winger an he's the best cam in the pl. messi moved from the wing to central (until suarez arrived) ronaldo plays central a fair bit, hazard is a fine cam, so was sterling behind studge an suarez 2014. I think he will easily adapt, and would love him being on the ball, between the lines pulling the strings. i want him as our cam, with mane firmino salah in front of him.
Also, let's not forget how interchangeable our front four are, if for example salah gets matched for pace ( arsenal - against nile ) mahrez could move out there and use his trickery to pull pants down.

06 Jan 2018 21:51:12
What do eds think of mahrez as a option?

{Ed002's Note - Good Salah replacement.}

06 Jan 2018 21:56:12
Don't be giving me a heart attack ed002. salah ain't leaving Madrid can have hazard instead.

{Ed002's Note - Salah had his agent approach Madrid - you know that.}

06 Jan 2018 21:56:36
Edd002 I've seen you comment a few times on salah. Is he likely to leave this summer?

{Ed002's Note - I doubt it but he seemingly has a liking for Real Madrid and is worried about them adding the two wide players they are keen on.}

06 Jan 2018 22:01:15
Seriously ed? Mahrez a good Salah replacement?

He’s not even half the player Salah is.

06 Jan 2018 22:03:46
Ahh thanks Edd002 👍.

06 Jan 2018 21:58:02
I think Ed002 sums it up. He’s a winger not a number 10 or able to play in centre midfield. Personally I would go for Gelson to replace Salah if it happened.

06 Jan 2018 22:25:11
Think be more coming in as well.

06 Jan 2018 22:34:40
I can't understand how people can't see Mahrez being a good number 10. He has all the attributes to play there. Those who are disagree, can u please mention the attributes he's lacking? Klopp doesn't buy players based on their previous position but the attributes they possesses. Everyone was saying the same abt Salah (being surplus to requirments) . It's best to let Klopp worrying abt positions and adapting players to the side. He's much more competent than everybody on this forum footballing wise.

06 Jan 2018 22:56:12
I was speaking to my Egyptian friend and he said the culture was very much Real Madrid is best in Egypt, and that that's where everyone wants to go, Madrid specifically not Barcelona so if Madrid do come a calling we may well be seeing Salah leave for his dream club.

{Ed002's Note - Salah approached them not the other way around.}

06 Jan 2018 23:11:26
I said if Madrid come a calling, and yeah it'd make sense why Salah and his parties approached Madrid, has he ever had a better time to see if he can make that move now?

06 Jan 2018 21:35:05
A week ago, FSG sanctioned a deal for the most expensive defender in football history. It wasn't even a close run thing. Virgil cost £23m more than Benjamin Mendy!

So how on earth can anybody come on here and question the owners for playing hard ball with Barcelona to milk £142m out of them for a player who is literally refusing to play for us?

We am really struggling to read post after post of support and praise being lavished on Coutinho. The player who has literally refused to play to force a move out of the club, faked injuries whilst simultaneously playing for Brazil, and been playing with a lack of effort for the last 4 months, irrespective of his world class abilities. Then there are people calling out FSG for not caring about the club, whilst they're shelling out world record transfer fees!

I really do get confused by some people! Their admiration is wasted all the wrong people, in my opinion. Coutinho, i hope your career in Spain goes as well as Michael Owen's did. FSG, i thank you for breaking the bank repeatedly to try and put us back at the top of the game.

That's my two pence. Forgive me for respecting people who give us everything they can offer, and being cold towards people who don't. I couldn't care less what Coutinho did for us in the past. If i bought you a new car and then smashed it up with a crowbar the next day, would you thank me anyway for buying you the car in the first place? No. The bad undoes the good. Only a handful of top players have left us respectfully in the last 10 years. Torres, Alonso etc. In stark contrast the likes of Mascherano, Reina, Suarez, Coutinho etc have left in total and utter disgrace. I am too honest with myself to sit here and pretend i wished any of them well.

06 Jan 2018 21:48:18
MK I think the owners made the best of a bad situation. I agree entirely with your sentiments.

06 Jan 2018 22:15:46
Some may say I'm being harsh Dennis, but why should i care about Coutinho's best interests? He clearly doesn't care about Liverpool or he wouldn't have forced his way out the club by making his position untenable and left us scratching about for a replacement mid-season. So sod him and his future. I would have like a trophy this season and had Coutinho been here all year playing to his absolute peak levels, i think we had a great shot at it.

If he doesn't care about the success of LFC and us fans, i couldn't give a monkeys about his future success. Maybe I'm just a savage and barbaric man, but i refuse to bow to a PC society! 😂 I accept others may disagree, but i still don't understand it. To be honest, if you can wish him well and mean it genuinely, you're a nicer person than me! I would never wish physical harm on anyone, but i hope he flops horribly and regrets this move every day for the rest of his life 😊 he would not be the first.

06 Jan 2018 22:28:03
Torres?

06 Jan 2018 22:32:51
AGree with most of that Adam, except that Torres left respectfully. At the time, and coming 4 months after his ghost written love letter to Liverpool (there’s a tenner I’ll never get back! ) it didn’t seem like he left respectfully.

Alonso did, as have a number of players, but not Torres and not Coutinho, IMO.

07 Jan 2018 17:00:19
Couthiho is a snake and I'm glad he's gone but your snivelling support for FSG is tuely sickening in the extreme, I'd like to counter your points with several of my own but unfortunately I don't have the same freedom of movement on these pages as yourself MK so my hands are tied. But believe me I would relish it and you can count yourself fortunate to have that were I can only question the motives why certain others don't.

06 Jan 2018 21:21:13
Sad news about Coutinho but life moves on. I trust Klopp to buy wisely. My only issue is that we struggle to keep a good team together because every time we get close we lose our best players. What is the formula for keeping these players? Can we just shut out communication from Barcelona and Real Madrid?

{Ed025's Note - not really hessle if a player wants to go he will go mate, forget about contracts they are not worth the paper they are printed on..

06 Jan 2018 21:35:46
Also it was stated he was letting it be known too staff management an most importantly the players he wanted out, that's a parasite in my eyes an as good As he is do we want a star player in our squad telling other players he wants out, no! , We want players telling each other how much they want the club too b successful an wat they can do about it so adiós amigos, jus hope we get sum more new blood in.

06 Jan 2018 21:41:36
Absolutely eds25 players will always go to the biggest teams and in the next 5 years they will all be in England.

{Ed025's Note - you could be right ace..

06 Jan 2018 21:41:50
When you sign for Barcelona for a big deal 50000+ people turn out just to see you do some kick ups.

When you play for Barcelona you can pretty much guarantee you will win something every year.

On average it rains in Liverpool on 156 separate days every year. In Barcelona it's 55 days.

10 minutes from Barcelona is the Costa Brava, 10 minutes from Liverpool is Formby Beach.

You can see what the attraction is.

We at least have to be challenging for the highest honours every year to try and be a more attractive proposition. But we have to remember it's not just about football to players, it's about their whole life.

You win some you lose some, Coutinho has done amazingly for us, got to thank him for that, now he wants to play for someone else, fair enough.

Thanks for the memories, thank you Barcelona for the money, let's all move on.

{Ed025's Note - great post that dawn..

06 Jan 2018 22:13:32
Brilliant RedDawn.

06 Jan 2018 22:18:16
Thank him? For faking an injury and not doing what he’s paid over £100k per week to do?

06 Jan 2018 22:44:56
Hesslered I think ion some ways it is a compliment to us that we can attract and nurture the sort of players that Barcelona and Real Madrid later on buy. i don't want us to be known as a selling club but if we buy a player for 8.5 mill and sell him 5 yrs later for 145 mill an then buy another player for 36 mill and a year later sell him for (surely salah must be 80 mill plus) then although we are losing quality players the profits and replacements are key.

06 Jan 2018 21:03:03
Thoughts are with you Ed, never easy to lose someone close. So sorry to hear.

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much WS.}

06 Jan 2018 21:18:33
I echo that Ed001. Thanks for bringing all the news you have in this difficult time.

{Ed001's Note - cheers HR3009, you are all very welcome.}

06 Jan 2018 21:42:28
I am sorry to hear of that Ed. My thoughts are are also with you at this difficult time.

We lost my auntie just before Christmas and her funeral is this Thursday.

{Ed001's Note - thank you Wassa and sorry to hear that, my condolences to all your family and best wishes.}

06 Jan 2018 20:37:42
Impossible to answer I guess but going to ask anyway eds, possible replacements for Coutinho been mentioned numerous times just wondering if anyone is a clear favourite atm to replace him?

{Ed001's Note - Lemar is the first choice.}

06 Jan 2018 21:22:25
Pulisic in the frame at all?

06 Jan 2018 21:32:24
Nah, DaRedMan. He wants to stay at BVB for now THO he would be my first choice as the kid is quality.

06 Jan 2018 20:38:57
Good luck to Coutinho.
Been a fine player for us.
Let's hope we get well over £100m upfront.
We absolutely need to re-invest back into the playing staff.
We've worked so hard to get into the top 4, so it'd be nothing short of disgraceful if we let it slip due to inaction after losing a top player.
Lallana is a decent player but not on the same level.
It's too early to ask Woodburn to step up, so we have to make moves this month to attempt to replace him as well as possible.
It won't be easy to do but certainly not impossible.
I have trusted Klopp from day one and believe he's doing a fine job.
Let's hope the owners do as well, his stock couldn't be much higher at this point of the season realistically.
Again, I wish Phil the best of luck in Spain, he came so close to being a legend with us but I'll always remember him as just being a fine player for us now and that's it sadly.

06 Jan 2018 20:37:05
Hi eds, happy new year to you all and everybody on the site. It’s a shame that we have lost Couts but we have lost and replaced better players in our past. Quick question, if we were to throw the cash at Real Madrid do you feel there would be the slightest chance they would accept a deal for Assencio or is that pie in the sky? Thanks in advance, great site.

{Ed001's Note - they do not want to lose him, it would need him to want to go really.}

06 Jan 2018 20:53:12
Thanks Ed, just read the post about your friend. Terrible news so sorry to hear that. I think news like that and things that Liverpool fans have had to go through over the years shows that losing a footballer to another team is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Head up ed.

{Ed001's Note - good point Robbie thank you.}

06 Jan 2018 20:32:00
Condolences Ed01.

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much SP.}

06 Jan 2018 20:49:12
I second this ed. You've been wonderful on this site down the years and there's support from everyone here mate.

{Ed001's Note - cheers DRM, I am very appreciative of everyone on this site, honestly.}

06 Jan 2018 20:29:51
I’m very happy that we’ve sorted 2 huge moves at the beginning of the window and haven’t let them drag on the whole month. Let’s give FSG and all involved credit where it’s due.
Now hurry up and get a few more in 😏.

06 Jan 2018 20:28:58
Well, there we have it. Phils off. Money's well and truly gone mad in football and player power is all mighty! do you think with the way that player power is now increasing to the point that we are seeing more players forcing their clubs hands RE: transfers (Pip, VVD, Sterling, Dembele etc) that perhaps the way contracts are worded needs to change. Perhaps it will be more common that a player has a high, but realistic buy out clause?
If we take Pip for example if in his contract he signed last year he had a buy out clause of say £150/ 160 million Barcelona of whoever knows the asking price and if they don't stump that up then the player knows he's not going anywhere.
This protects the club he plays for, if for example another club approaches and unsettles the player to the point he wants to go there is not a club vs player fall out. the terms are clearly laid out, they are either met or not.
Just a thought.

06 Jan 2018 21:00:44
It’s a nice idea but with the changes recently in fees paid for players it wouldn’t work. For example say pip signed a contract even two years ago with a buy out clause no one would think we would ever get £140ml so you could end up loosing out to a change in market value. Or it could finally stop the crazy money being paid out! Gone are the days when 20ml was a big buy.

06 Jan 2018 20:16:48
I do hope this isn't the start of another 4 year cycle of Liverpool F. C.
sell best player
Try to replace
Dismiss manager
Start again.

06 Jan 2018 20:30:03
Nothing like a positive post!

06 Jan 2018 20:30:37
Same old story. Salah next.

06 Jan 2018 20:34:39
Well if it is . It will be new owners too this time around.

06 Jan 2018 20:40:43
Life ain’t all smiles.

06 Jan 2018 20:53:14
Look at Klopp s comments-there won't be any replacement in January
He’s had his money for Van Dijk.

06 Jan 2018 21:04:04
Bundle of joy you mate open the vodka.

06 Jan 2018 21:17:47
Truth hurts!

06 Jan 2018 21:26:42
Jesus, go drown a bag of kittens pal it might cheer you up! 😂.

06 Jan 2018 21:37:18
I now intend to watch reruns of 1985 and drink a bottle of red.

06 Jan 2018 21:35:48
Kittens no puppies yes.

06 Jan 2018 20:05:19
Hi Eds,
Long time no post but you've been keeping me updated for years!

I'm just posting here to get an understanding as to what my expectations should be for this transfer window.

My question is in two parts:
Firstly, will a chunk of the Coutinho fee be going towards the VVD fee or will the full sum be invested further in other players?

Secondly, is the focus on a 'replacement' for Coutinho or are we looking at goalkeepers, left backs, central midfielders etc?

Thanks in advance, Eds!
REDHEAD.

{Ed001's Note - firstly transfers do not work like that.

Secondly it is a replacement being sought.}

06 Jan 2018 20:00:19
FSG are the new Daniel Levy, great deal. My problem though is I think we look creatively light without Couts. His ability to play between the lines and instant control, killer passes (all like David Silva) and sometimes deadly finishes will be missed as no one else in our squad is anywhere near (otherwise Barcelona would have tried for them) .

I'm not sure we can stay fourth (or it will be slope) unless we change style slightly and go more defensive and hope all three of salah, mane and bobby stay fit for pretty much every game.

Fingers crossed we can bring someone suitable in in January as that could really give us edge possibly even look at second or third and automatic qualifying for CL.

Forever hopefully fan of 40 years!

06 Jan 2018 20:20:24
Of course there are other people as good or better, Barcelona can bully us into selling our best players unlike other clubs.

06 Jan 2018 20:33:06
Nobody questions Kane leaving every window.
But when it's Liverpools best player, our reputation goes before us and time and time again we sell.

06 Jan 2018 20:58:03
FC8 that isn’t true - every window there has been speculation about Kane (United, Real Madrid etc)

06 Jan 2018 21:49:05
FC8, Kane was linked with Utd last summer along with Dier and is currently linked with RM right now. The semi meltdown needs to stop, IMO.

06 Jan 2018 19:54:42
I think people forget that footballers are employees and have a very short career span. For south americans in particular Barcelona and real are the pinnacle. Couts has been a great player for us but the club will move on. A replacement will be found but won't be surprised if it is an astronomical fee.
Thanks couts see you in the champs league at some point (it is almost inevitable)

06 Jan 2018 20:25:16
I am old enough to remember Roger Hunt leaving, and Keegan going and obviously Suarez going, and yes careers are short, but this just sticks in the throat a little bit, I don't know why, but I can't wish him well, I hope he comes unstuck, don't ask why I feel like this because I don't know, perhaps I am just feeling let down by the guy. so, so disappointed he has gone, it feels a bit like one step forward two steps back, or trying to fight everyone with one arm tied behind your back. When we are on the cusp of possibly being a force again our best player sticks two fingers up to us. Loyalty has died its death.

06 Jan 2018 21:11:30
Daggers, like you eluded to, players have come and gone at Liverpool, just as at any other football club. The current project at Liverpool is one that needs to be built, is progressing, but is some way off yet, Coutinho obviously feels at this moment in his career, Barcelona represents his opportunity to be playing at the highest level in world football. I don’t resent him for that, perhaps circumstances could have been handled better, perhaps he should have gone in the summer, but we all make choices in life that we feel will improve the lot of ourselves and our families. Remember some of the moments of magic he has left us with, welcome him back to some special night at Anfield when at some point in the future we play Barcelona in the CL, and look forward to seeing some exciting player taking his place in the squad and become a future star of Liverpool.

06 Jan 2018 19:53:37
Sad to see such a great player leave. Good luck in the future. You leave us with a highlight reel that Matt le Tissier would be proud of.

06 Jan 2018 19:46:46
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain the late signing last Summer was done with coutinho saga in mind.

He has been slowly integrated and now playing well in midfield.

06 Jan 2018 20:10:12
Except his passing, shooting and first touch are nowhere near Coutinho’s.

06 Jan 2018 20:22:13
Is this a joke post, is it april 1st already.

06 Jan 2018 19:34:16
"I have been here long enough now to know in the history of Liverpool, key players have left before - but the club always goes on. You cannot transfer the heart and soul of Liverpool Football Club, although I am sure there are many clubs who would like to buy it. "
Wise words from the Gaffer. Let's keep moving Reds.

06 Jan 2018 19:32:53
There's no way we'd let coutinho go in January, while we're still fighting for top4 and in 2 cups, 1 realistically that we could win without a suitable replacement. would we?

06 Jan 2018 20:03:13
If he's causing problems in the dressing room, then maybe.

06 Jan 2018 20:46:09
Yes he's gone mate. All over the news. Surprised you hadn't seen it.

06 Jan 2018 19:29:03
Max Meyer will be the one.

06 Jan 2018 19:37:37
Arguably our best player, gave us some stunning moments, but shirt comes first imo.
Hopefully the levity raises a bit around the club now.
Of course we'll never find a like-for-like replacement.
Fingers crossed that we're wise with next steps/ purchases.
Eds how are some of you feeling overall?
Relieved? Gutted? Ambivalent?
Just curious!
Cheers.

06 Jan 2018 19:22:12
Ed's, do you know if Coutinho staying until the summer is a possibility? And the £145m fee is apparently £100m up front, the rest in add ons. Will we find out what the add ons are, how realistic will they be?

{Ed002's Note - He has gone.}

06 Jan 2018 19:12:28
So long Phil, we are Liverpool and so we rise.

06 Jan 2018 19:25:58
ridiculous decision to sell. in Jan. keep him and sell in summer. i know he wanted to go but he is professional and would have continued to play until then. its our most important yr in ages and now are without our most creative player. makes zero sense.

06 Jan 2018 19:38:48
Most important year in ages? . C'mon man, liverpool will still exist after coutinho has retired, we need to get out of this all or nothing mindset. Situations come up and we have to react. coutinho has wanted to go for over 12 mobths now, its not like this all started yesterday. How long do you keep a player that doesn't want to be there, fakes injury etc etc.

06 Jan 2018 19:30:02
And what good would that be for team morale. Come on, you need to think about it.

06 Jan 2018 19:50:46
WHAT an allow him to fake his injuries continually? Get the money an get rid of the little judas I say.

06 Jan 2018 19:07:42
I think the money is great, just hope we spend it wisely!
Defo no to Mahrez!

06 Jan 2018 19:19:16
This may be contrary to popular opinion but I'd much rather Mahrezu than Lemar. Sure, Lemar has a bigger potential upside, but he's way too overpriced and is one of the most one footed players I've ever seen.

06 Jan 2018 19:01:43
Thanks for some screamers couts. Jurgens party bus coming through. Who's taking his seat?!

06 Jan 2018 19:54:29
I'm there with you Benny.

06 Jan 2018 20:29:46
Wonder if we we see something left field like salah was, seeing as monaco don't want to sell lemar. Or maybe we will just stick until the summer.

06 Jan 2018 18:44:58
Good luck at Barcelona Pip! Been a fantastic player for Liverpool im sure going to miss the magic you have in those feet thanks for the memories! YNWA.

06 Jan 2018 18:39:29
Hi Eds, any chance we will look to use the money from the coutinho sale to bring in a proper striker? Firminho could drop back to his favoured position then and fill the void left by him then?

{Ed002's Note - Like who.?}

06 Jan 2018 18:47:02
Aubameyang?

{Ed002's Note - Getting on a bit, expensive and vast baggage - and no interest from Liverpool.}

06 Jan 2018 18:48:33
Firmino looks a proper striker to me. Wouldn't replace him with anyone.

06 Jan 2018 18:50:51
Firmino is already in his favoured position isn’t he.

06 Jan 2018 18:51:39
I was thinking about that recently but like ed2 said, who? I couldn't think of anybody and to be honest I think Klopp will stick with bobby as the striker because it is working. His movement off the ball makes space for Mane and Salah to get through and his pressing when we don’t have the ball causes mistakes.

06 Jan 2018 19:00:33
David ngog.

06 Jan 2018 19:41:02
Only striker worth payin for is kane.

06 Jan 2018 19:46:25
Suarez.

06 Jan 2018 20:32:03
Origi.

06 Jan 2018 20:57:01
Werner?

06 Jan 2018 18:36:39
Bye Coutinho. some great moments along the way. Been one of our best players for last couple of seasons. helped us achieve top 4.

Best of luck at Barca

YNWA

P. S. : guys don't be bitter, he was playing awesome and was due a change in his career. We have been paid handsomely, let's get some quality replacements in!

06 Jan 2018 18:47:30
Wish he’d left it until the end of the season is all.

06 Jan 2018 18:57:00
That's the trouble pankaj, I'm not sure there is quality availiable in this window selling now could derail our top 4 push as we can't just buy a player we don't really want or need because coutinho has gone. Other sides in Europe competing for champions league places will not want to lose their best players in the middle of a campaign.

06 Jan 2018 19:23:22
I also wish he had stayed till the season's end but we are not a one man team (**spurs**) . Life goes on.

@ den82 : no we can't replace him directly right now or even in the summer but I am sure, Klopp will think of something.

On another note, I think Can should not be the first choice anymore as I feel he is not able to give his 100%. I don't have any hard feelings for him as Keita is also facings issues at Lepzig, so this "agree now and wait until summer" business doesn't work so well.

06 Jan 2018 18:32:03
If Coutinho does go then good luck to him. For Liverpool a fantastic piece of business to sign him for £8m and sell him for £142m. For the player he gets to move to one of his boyhood dream clubs. If the reds can invest wisely then it’s a good deal all round. Shame he won’t stay but you can’t expect that.

06 Jan 2018 18:37:59
Spot on, OP. Cou is gone and frankly, I wish him well cos the boy played out of his skin for us for the most part. I will always remember him travelling to Stoke last season as ill as a dog, forced himself to play and helped get us a VITAL win w/ o which, top 4 would have happened. He fought for the cause and we can disagree on how he left, I choose to remember the good times and boy, he had a lot of them for us. I hope he fulfills his dreams and I hope we get to play Barcelona in this CL or next season's so we can give it to them. Goodbye, my friend and good luck in Catalonia.

06 Jan 2018 18:29:46
Firstly good Luck to the little magician. He is quality and a massive loss but Barcelona are a hard club to turn down and he had his heart set on the move. Obviously I would love a top quality signing now to replace him, like Lemar or Pulisic but not sure this will happen. Therefore if they are not available now and we can get Mahrez for a reasonable price I think he could be a good addition. It is a tricky one but I like to think we still have enough to get us top 4 and I'm really confident that if we achieve this next season is when we really challenge. Its a big moment now in Klopp's reign but I still wouldn't swap him for anything.

06 Jan 2018 18:41:24
IMO, Mahrez is a non starter. he's weak, lazy, inconsistent and not a patch anywhere near Cou's ability.

06 Jan 2018 18:12:02
Really disappointed with Coutinho. As I was with Suarez, Torres, Owen etc.

I’ll get over it obviously. The club will survive.

It does feel this time that we’re taking a smaller step backwards than normal. Let’s take those two steps forward ASAP!

06 Jan 2018 18:38:57
Suarez' conduct disappointed me more than his desire to leave. Unlike coutinho he took the rejection of his transfer request on the chin and played an absolute blinder of a season without a single sulk, he appreciated that we would need a season in advance to prepare replacements.

Torres leaving was disappointing but ultimately it was gerrard who advised him to move for the sake of his career, he clearly wasnt happy at liverpool at the time and that's okay. Sure moving to chelsea was a bit of a kick in the teeth but i don't blame him, i still love the guy.

Even sterling, still never understand why people were so upset when he left. He let us know well in advance and left in the wake of the most appalling season of football i have ever seen from liverpool. I can guarantee you i would not want to stay to play under rodgers if i was iin his shoes. Sure he left for city but i genuinly don't think he didn't sign because of the money, i believe him when he says it was the club, plus rodgers' handling of the situation was disgraceful and only vindicated his decision to leave.

Owen is probably at this stage the only one who has acted more awfully than coutinho, who left his so called 'boyhood team' despite us being desperate and rafa begging him to stay, and leaving for buttons too.

Coutinho has acted appallingly compared to these players and is not the man i thought he was. We are in a strong enough position without him but his handling of the situation has been a joke. He must surely understand that he needs a replacement. So why did he tell us he wanted to leave with 3 weeks left of the window instead of during the season? What did he seriously expect? He then threw a strop and was clearly feigning injury and getting his entourage to leak tidbits to the press. He couldn't even make it through the full season like suarez did without spitting his dummy out. Of all the players to have left us in our time this saga has been one of the most insulting.

06 Jan 2018 18:42:41
There is nothing surprising here as we all knew he would go this Jan. The bigger issue now is how we move on as a squad and a team and I trust Klopp to do the right thing.

06 Jan 2018 18:42:50
Agree g1dgo. Will be interesting to see how many "injuries" he has from here on.
Lets hope we invest in some quality for defence, keeper and a good replacement. Mahrez for a price of 35 mil or less, maybe but no more.

06 Jan 2018 18:54:22
What on earth are you talking about? Suarez was by far the worst, much much worse than Coutinho!

He pressed legal charges against the club until he could get his move!

Sometimes the fans on here have no idea.

Get off Couts back. He's gone now, we've got good money for him. Stop demonising the lad, we're bigger than a player.

06 Jan 2018 19:16:34
Suarez did take legal action keith, based on a clause he believed was in his contract, which there was not. Once he realised the club really were not going to sell him he knuckled down for the whole season. I know all of this so please do not insult my intelligence and say i do not know what i am talking about, or get too upset over my own opinion.

I could pull up some of the negative total rubbish you have posted on here not too long ago, but i am not going to do that.

06 Jan 2018 18:25:58
Why u disappointed for? Has he really done anything for us I ask? .
By that I mean=
Lampard pushing Chelsea to the title
Scholes pushing united to title
Yaya pushing city to title
De Bruyne pushing city to title this yr
Kanye pushed Leicester to title
Gerrard got us 2nd twice
You catch my drift please ad like to hear what has Phil done for us? We will be better without him in the players we bring in am sure lfc will push for the title next yr and it will be Phil who.

06 Jan 2018 18:06:29
All the best Phillippe Coutinho. You'll never walk alone.

06 Jan 2018 18:47:43
Spot on, Noski! I hope he realizes his dreams cos he was brilliant for us overall and played thru his skins and thru illness at times cos he loved the club and I know deep down, he is grateful for all we did for him, giving him a chance after rotting in the Inter reserves. I know that cos he actually said so once in the past. Good luck, my friend and YNWA!

06 Jan 2018 18:03:07
Next thing. Goodbye Phil. Time for a new chapter at Anfield and for the next hero in the making.

Was pleased for VVD. I think his presence alone made us look more secure. I would say though that having a decent CB does make lesser players around stand out more. I think we need another CB. And Ed01 was right. I did notice a few times yesterday he was slow to track back. Fortunately we didn’t get punished for it too much. Hopefully that can be sorted. All the more reason people like Matip and Moreno can’t afford to get caught out of position. But I’m hopeful he will improve and we continue to buy quality replacements.

I think we’re going to have our best year for a long long time!

06 Jan 2018 18:23:30
VVD needs to get;
1) his fitness levels up since he didn’t play at all last month
2) used to Klopp high line.

He'll adapt but needs time, Klopp did say he was unsure about playing him so soon because he knows it takes time to adapt and gel with the squad but by god did he do a good job 😁.

06 Jan 2018 18:52:55
Razor, VVD's issues are well documented BUT he is new here and working with a good manager who knows his flaws and will work on them. Patience is needed.

06 Jan 2018 17:58:36
Would love coutinho money to be spent on mahrez and athletico keeper.

06 Jan 2018 18:33:58
If we by some miracle we managed to get Jam Oblak I will dance around my street stark naked, I wouldn't even stress the rest of the window.

06 Jan 2018 17:56:29
So the merry go-round begins.

06 Jan 2018 17:48:56
Surely not.

06 Jan 2018 17:44:18
Anxiously awaiting to see who will replace couthino. Just hope it’d be someone who can improve the team and help take us to new heights.

06 Jan 2018 17:22:22
Not that Phil is gone I’d go to Bayern 100mil for Thiago and same to Madrid for Isco only 2 players for me in the same level if not better and can play that same left forward and left midfield 3 .

We need real quality to come in now long shots I know but it’s what we need .

06 Jan 2018 17:36:32
Why would they leave teams competing for top honours to play for us? Pure fantasy.

06 Jan 2018 17:57:42
Bayern aren’t exactly the team they were a few years ago Thiago has now won titles in Spain and Germany it’s the job of the club and klopp to convince him to take up a new challenge bar Man City we play the best football in the league and we’re up there with them on our day.

Isco has never been a nailed on starter for Madrid he would be for us and same as Thiago convince him to take up a new challenge .

Show some believe den82 this team is def going places
With Van Dijk in Keita to come we’re not far off having a squad to compete with the very best .

06 Jan 2018 18:16:36
I completely believe in the team but Bayern/ Real may win the champions league this season are both in the top 5 teams in Europe, there is never a question of their qualification and they compete for all 4 of their respective cups every year. We have won no league titles and 1 champions league in over a quarter of a century. We can take top players from the level below as we pay good wages and show promise going forward and wether you like it or not have shown we will sell players to the Barca/ reals when players hit the top.

06 Jan 2018 18:20:23
We still need 3 players. If any of the front 3 gets injured or loses form we are bang in trouble.

06 Jan 2018 17:20:50
I was told by the same person who told me about couthino 2 hours before anyone else had posted it if you care to have a look.

06 Jan 2018 17:28:48
Was that person called guess work by any chance?

06 Jan 2018 17:29:34
Who’s his replacement? Surely you will know then.

06 Jan 2018 17:34:32
It’s lemar 100mil bid he said further on down mate.

06 Jan 2018 17:35:29
To be fair we all saw it coming and when we saw he didn’t travel with the squad it was already confirmed ;)

06 Jan 2018 17:44:00
WHO, is his replacement. Is that Daniel Who from PSG?

06 Jan 2018 17:46:53
Without sounding condescending every man and his dog knows this, I mean even my mum has been discussing Coutinho's immenent depature, although to be fair she actually knows a lot about the game.

06 Jan 2018 18:36:59
Alonso1786 Lol

Don't be raining on him parade.

06 Jan 2018 17:19:37
I haven't posted anything in a long time mainly out of concern for public embarrassment. The Internet is a dangerous place for opinions or thoughts that go against popular belief. However, I will take a risk and say that I wish P. Coutinho all the best. I have no idea what his dreams were made of as a young lad; but many footballers / children wish to one day play for Barcelona. Of those, very few will ever even play at Camp Nou. What I do know is that while wearing Liverpool colours, he rarely disappointed. He might have had a bad game every now and then, but he had very many good ones. And, if his ambition was always to move on to bigger and better things; I wish many more footballers of the sort come to Liverpool FC. That's all.

Canadian Fan.

06 Jan 2018 17:39:10
Welcome Canadian Red, never be scared to say what you think as its your opinion, does everybody on here agree with one another? the answer is no as one player you like I might not but doesn't make me right over you. In regards to Coutinho, thanks for the memories as he has really grown into a fine player but what Liverpool has taught me is we always seem to find a gem once one star leaves.

06 Jan 2018 17:39:22
He has badly let himself down. There is right way to leave and still remain respectful and appreciated by the fans. For me it is like when Torres, Sterling left. I don't wish them any good luck.

06 Jan 2018 18:33:33
After reading what Torres has come out and said about his departure, I feel sorry for the way fans turned on him because it kinda reminded me of how Alonso was pushed out in a sense - so what he said sounded believable to me.

06 Jan 2018 17:04:31
Paul Joyce reporting courtinho deal is done 142m will be announced tonight or tomorrow to be honest be glad when it is done and we just move on he's not bigger than the club.

06 Jan 2018 17:12:52
Spot on now we move on to drooling over the thought of Lemar/ Goretzka/ both for the next 24 days haha.

06 Jan 2018 17:18:55
Taxi for pipco.

06 Jan 2018 17:26:00
What's the point in signing Lemar?
When he hits potential we'll just cash in on him. Need to start buying ready made superstars.

06 Jan 2018 17:46:38
Lfc8 Lemar is already a decent player who’s price will rise as his ability does.

06 Jan 2018 16:57:53
Looks like Coutinho is gone and that's fair enough it happens in football. The only thing that would piss me off is if we don't get a like for like player in.

06 Jan 2018 17:10:23
At last! We can talk about someone other than him.

06 Jan 2018 17:16:42
Completely agree Ford. Has to be a world class player and someone much better than the likes or Marhez and Lemar.

06 Jan 2018 17:27:19
Like for like?
Don’t know of many that can do what he does tbh.
Massive loss of a very talented player. Shame a deal couldn’t be agreed and he stays until the end of the season.

Like for like would be asensio or Isco, and there is no way they’ll be coming lol.

It’s going to be an excruciating month to be an ED on here. Good luck lads.

06 Jan 2018 17:07:43
Replacements have to be lineup up surely otherwise this season would have been a complete and utter waste.

06 Jan 2018 18:33:39
Doesnt need to be like for like.

06 Jan 2018 16:53:44
pipco's done a runner? godspeed lad.

06 Jan 2018 17:45:23
Please stop saying pipco. Cringiest thing ever.

06 Jan 2018 18:39:38
Pipco.

06 Jan 2018 16:53:18
Paul Joyce saying coutinho deal done for £142m. Confirmation today or tomorrow.

06 Jan 2018 15:02:25
Just wanna say thank you to the eds and everyone else who make this site what it is. all I've been doing over Christmas is looking at the posts etc. and I haven't even watched shrek with the kids yet. my missus must think I'm havin an affair. keep up the good work everyone. YNWA.

{Ed025's Note - cheers roller..

06 Jan 2018 14:52:36
Credit too John Henry for getting the VVD deal done before the window started so VVD wasn't cup tied during the FA cup.

06 Jan 2018 16:45:37
Agreed Bobcat. Let's hope he provides all the PC funds for a replacement and a much needed central midfielder.

06 Jan 2018 12:44:55
Question for the eds do you think Flanagan is finished at Liverpool after his conviction for assault?

{Ed025's Note - i would think so mate..

06 Jan 2018 13:11:47
He was probably finished beforehand.

06 Jan 2018 12:59:44
Cheers ed0025 very bad behaviour on his part. In a way his career has been wasting away for a few years now with his injuries and now this incident. Shame because he had real promise a few seasons ago really thought he was going to be a top player.

{Ed025's Note - he seemed like a nice guy back then K2017, how wrong can you be..

06 Jan 2018 12:45:54
Lemar and Cabellos would be a great window imo if we can get them done.

06 Jan 2018 14:59:17
I'm not sure Ceballos is needed right now as he is still young and learning even tho, he is clearly talented.

06 Jan 2018 12:22:58
My Take on VDD

The most encouraging things were:

In his first game you could see him organising, talking and boll**king.
We have not had anyone like thst since carragher.
I like the way he does not get dragged out to the full back position, he leaves that to the full backS and wide playerS, numerous times last night Louvren would have left his position and got involved in wide positions where in the past he has cost us goals.
For the first time since Sammi we have someone who takes control of the high ball, nearly every high ball he said to everyone" leave it its mine", whereas in the past we have seen forwards bully us and take high balls on their chest or bringing it down and turning on us.
Now we have a real threat on corners, with VDD and Matip we can have a real chance of scoring some important goals.

I know it was his first game but I am old enough to have seen 40 years of center backs at Liverpool and some special ones at that, ever since we lost Sammi we have not had a decent back 2. He is strong, good on the ball, imposing, and most importantly a leader and oeganiser, hopefully he can bring the best out of Matip and Louvren and maybe even our keepers.

Early days but all looks good YNWA.

06 Jan 2018 12:49:35
The only bad things I saw yesterday was when he tried to do a fancy flick/ chip when he was the last man, it came to nothing but could have been costly, he also got skinned fairly easily early doors by Bolasie but to be fair he didn’t try and jump in to save the situation and maybe give away a pen.
I agree with you OP that the biggest thing for me was his presence and how he commanded the air. Lovren and Matip are both big lads but just don’t do that, he will maybe come a cropper and not always win the first ball but the rest of the defence need to be ready for the second ball and cover him if he’s left stranded a little.
Overall a decent start and the goal is a great bonus and should hopefully give him confidence and keep the press off his back with regards to the price tag. That goals worth a fair bit in itself.

06 Jan 2018 13:55:09
For someone who hasn't played much this season, and nothing in the last month, he did well.
Let's just please give him time to settle and develop

What I will say is that I'm looking forward to Ed001's match reviews as I'm sure he is not a fan of VVD.

06 Jan 2018 15:02:59
Great start to VVD's LFC career, I must say. He is still lacking full fitness and that will come with time. He is a man mountain with supreme ability. That has NEVR been a question. It was if his flaws could be cleaned out and tho we saw a few of them last night, his strengths were also on show. Let's allow him to bed into the team and form a good understanding with his mates in the back line and see what happens.

06 Jan 2018 12:09:09
Have to say I have more of an issue with the soft penalty decision rather than the Holgate card or no card. I suspect that the embarrassment of his rather cowardly shove being seen by millions of people will be enough of a punishment for Holgate. Let's hope the earful he got from Bobby was no more than he deserved. Feeling far more confident about the City match with VVD in defence, that's for sure.

06 Jan 2018 15:05:48
Why do you have a problem with the penalty, Red48? To me, it was not a pen BUT seeing the Hypocrite in Chief a. k. a Everton manager eat some serious crow is enough for me.

06 Jan 2018 17:02:48
Nah I don't like it BRover I think the game encourages player to "earn" a penalty and it's grim. The penalty against us against the bitters was never a penalty and was "earned@ and I thought our was one exactly the same: minimal contact, a player going to ground easily and a referee happily obliging - I would have preferred, in both games, for the penalties not to be given because I simply think neither of them were justified. Players should not be rewarded for going down under the very faintest of touches, it is a big problem in the game. We personally benefited yesterday but can easily be on the receiving end in other fixtures and, at certain times, it will ruin the game. I hope they find a way of preventing it as the amount of soft decisions seems to be ever increasing.

06 Jan 2018 17:06:07
Well, I'd rather win a match on merit or at least through a legitimate goal than a pen that never was, or worse, cheating as well. But you're right, BRover, Allardyce is a pompous idiot sometimes so it's good to see him stuffed occasionally.

06 Jan 2018 12:05:10
Question - highly unlikely but if possible would you all take Suarez back? And be happy about it.

06 Jan 2018 13:16:11
In a heartbeat.

06 Jan 2018 13:16:30
Not going to happen. But of course I'd take him back he's a goal machine. We're losing a world class player. Only another world class player coming in would keep us where we are. Sick of signing potential because when they reach that potential we SELL THEM.

06 Jan 2018 13:50:26
He would be our best player.

{Ed001's Note - have you actually watched him play this season? Actually I already know the answer if you think he would be our best player. He is a shadow of what he was after major knee surgery that has destroyed his pace and ability to twist and turn. Leave the little gutter rat where he is.}

06 Jan 2018 15:12:00
No Freaking way. Suarez would not be our best player at LFC as we are a better team and a better squad than when he was here. He is 4 years older and has lost at least two steps pace and power wise. I would not want him back as he has done enuff damage to the club and to a true club legend in KK. He wanted Barcelona and did some of the most vile things to get his wish. He's got Barca. He can stay there till he retires.

06 Jan 2018 15:53:38
As good as he is I wouldn’t want him back, it’s time move on.

06 Jan 2018 17:05:06
Even if he was the Suarez of years ago I wouldn't take him, sullied the reputation of our club and acted appallingly on multiple occasions with absolutely no respect for the club, the fans or anyone else.

06 Jan 2018 12:06:01
After all the hulabaloo of the match dies down - the only negative thing from the performance last night was the fact we didn't really create anything throughout the whole game.

Very happy to score twice from set pieces, that's progress for us.

However, it does give you an idea of how we would miss PC if he goes this month.

I hope JK didn't buy the OX as his replacement, because he is not at the same level in my opinion.

06 Jan 2018 12:25:55
Yes but firstly, the derbies are often nervy affairs and we did indeed look very nervous and sloppy on the ball, and secondly, its very hard for any team to create chances when the opposition has no interest of scoring any goals of their own.

06 Jan 2018 13:08:05
Maybe we could give OX a chance before he is written off completely. Think he would do quite well personally coming from deeper behind the front three.

06 Jan 2018 13:10:26
How bout all the other games coutinho hasn't player where we've torn oppoaition apart? . We'll need some adjusting no doubt, but we will be fine.

06 Jan 2018 13:55:11
Which games Faith? We have played our best football when Coutinho has played well. No one in the squad can replace him, or get close to replacing him.

I think if we can't find someone suitable we must change the system. City will pass last nights midfield to death. A back 3 might be the best option, then Can as the holding midfielder.

06 Jan 2018 15:18:45
Mark, we were in a derby and a Cup tie and Anfield. I don't care if we did not create as much as vs Swansea (they are worse than Everton) and Everton showed some fight and IMO, we created enough with VVD, Lallana, Gomez and Mane. In a game like that, that is enough to win, IMO. We won and that is all that matters. IMO.

Also, saying our best games were when Cou played. That is false. We smashed Huddersfield, WH, Arsenal, Hoffenheim w/ o Cou and were not good enough vs Burnley, Newcastle, WBA, Spartak where Cou did play. Sorry BUT you can't pick and choose what part of statistics suit your rhetoric w/ o considering the other side of the coin.

06 Jan 2018 11:14:27
It seems like the Holgate/ Firmino incident is a bit of a storm in a tea cup and misunderstandings. My only worry is that the FA are not known for their competence or consistency, or for that matter speed of decision.

I just hope they don't drag this out and want to use this as a statement following Brewster's complaint which seems based on some very genuinely racial incidents.

Let's hope they resolve this quickly and use just the facts to decide if something was said or not.

{Ed025's Note - could not agree more suffolk..the voice of reason..

06 Jan 2018 12:05:44
Thanks Ed. Not an easy day for you with the result plus all the hype around this event.

Be nice to see both our teams challenging for honours again soon, with the Blues just a little behind us of course! Chuckle.

{Ed025's Note - i would not expect anything less suffolk mate..

06 Jan 2018 14:00:31
I thought Everton played decent in the second half especially. For long periods in was a 50-50 game. Salah makes us a much better team.

06 Jan 2018 15:25:22
Spot on, Sufolk and Ed. This is to me, a nothing burger.

06 Jan 2018 11:05:06
You know the Mahrez link is just a “smokescreen “ because we are actually signing Lemar 😂

Sorry 😬.

06 Jan 2018 10:34:32
MOTM Robertson for me. Very good in both halfs. His defending was top draw. VVD very good defending also dealt with everything thrown into the box and he covered round we. The only problem I saw was the keeper.

{Ed025's Note - robertson was good mark..for robertson, not great but did a decent job mate..

06 Jan 2018 10:54:32
Robertson got home, put his keys, wallet and a bolasie on the kitchen counter.

06 Jan 2018 11:07:39
I thought he dealt with Bolasie well and was good in possession. Has improved since being given his shot.

06 Jan 2018 11:19:10
His best performance to date. Will be interesting to see if he can keep on improving with each game.

06 Jan 2018 11:10:29
I thought he had s very good game.

06 Jan 2018 11:38:12
Just needs games.

06 Jan 2018 11:41:36
Just needs games.

06 Jan 2018 12:36:22
He has looked very promising since his arrival. I know he's had a bit of stick on here but he's still finding his feet at this level of football. For me, he is the best left back we have had in a long time, and ever improving.

06 Jan 2018 12:23:41
He did well but stevie wonder could see all Bolasie wanted to do was get to the line and use his right foot. Must’ve tried it every time surely, hopefully something for Robertson to keep building on but let’s not get carried away.

Ed 25, was it refreshing to see Everton showing some attacking intent or would you rather them have tried to contain like last month?

{Ed025's Note - i thought we did ok to be honest jord, liverpool edged it but i thought we gave a good account of ourselves mate..

06 Jan 2018 13:05:00
You have to give Karius the benefit of doubt. Chemistry between the goalkeeper and his defence comes with time and communication. If Lovren were playing instead of Van Dijk he may have passed the ball back to Karius for him to clear, but clearly Van Dijk likes his keeper to sweep. I'm sure after the game they had a chat and next time they will be on the same page.

06 Jan 2018 13:10:02
Robertson was decent, his best game so far. Still looking forward to Moreno's return when he is fit again.

06 Jan 2018 15:27:42
Spot, El Maestro. I have never seen Karius that unsure when the ball is passed back to him when the other CB's play BUT clearly, both he and VVD were lost in translation and you nailed the reason why. Brilliant assessment, my friend.

Ed25, I thought as well, that Everton played much better and showed some g=fight in the game.

06 Jan 2018 10:23:55
Any chance of a new goalkeeper this window eds or more likely to happen in the summer?

{Ed025's Note - summer i would expect groomy..

06 Jan 2018 10:47:01
I’d give karius until the summer, he may just prove that he is the answer moving forward and that we don’t need to buy another keeper.

06 Jan 2018 13:02:20
WYred, There was absolutely nothing I saw last night to make me think Karius is the answer. Slow coming off his line, and his distribution from the floor was very poor. He always seems to me to take too long to make a decision.

06 Jan 2018 10:19:32
We seem to be scoring from more corners in the last 2 or 3 months than at any time in the previous 5 years. Is it any coincidence that the Ox is now taking most of them?

06 Jan 2018 12:29:11
Ox's delivery from set pieces last night was unbelievable, i haven't seen someone take so many in a row with such quality since gerrard.

06 Jan 2018 14:45:46
I agree but sadly it was the only good thing he was doing, during open play he was constantly giving the ball away. He is not playing like a £40m player for me and still has some way to go.

06 Jan 2018 09:54:03
Hi there Eds!

Great win yesterday. Quick question, do you see us signing an attacking midfielder to replace PC as is being purpoted? Personally i think we have enough attacking fire power even without Phil.

I would prefer signing a CM, preferably Goretzka as a replacement for Can. Any insight on the club's opinion of the lad and whether we are looking at him as an option?

{Ed001's Note - we want to sign a player to replace him and a central midfielder to strengthen the team.}

06 Jan 2018 10:12:25
I think we lack coutinho’s Creativity and we don’t have anyone in the team right now to replicate that, last night we was lucky, we was definitely missing a spark, aside from salah missing coutinho is a big part of the team and no one we have now can fill his boots and add to the team what he does, replacing him with someone suitable if he goes is a must.

06 Jan 2018 10:17:57
Ed1 is that another midfielder aswell as keita?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

06 Jan 2018 10:31:59
Central midfield is our weakest position now. We can't win things without somebody being brought in asap. Gini's confidence is shot. First look always backwards, he even played in backwards 6 feet when 2 defenders was marking Gomez.

06 Jan 2018 11:34:28
Both in Jan ed?

{Ed001's Note - not likely mate, difficult time, but the club would like to yes. However, I can't remember the last time the club got all the signings they planned in a transfer window!}

06 Jan 2018 12:21:50
Ok mate cheers. I was thinking the same to be honest, one on though would be nice. Mahrez a possibility ed? Its been knocked back but everyone seems to think we gave enquired on him. Im hoping not as he is not what we need.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know of any interest from us in Mahrez. The lad just wants out of Leicester and is being linked with anyone and everyone.}

06 Jan 2018 12:44:36
Cheers ed. As I thought mate.

06 Jan 2018 12:58:55
Would be pleased if the club took a look at Ceballos who has been offered.

06 Jan 2018 12:46:25
Lol Ed001. By the time next season starts, we could have a whole new midfield. Not sure where that leaves our current lot.

{Ed001's Note - well Can is almost certainly gone, Henderson's injuries are too much, so that only leaves Milner and Wijnaldum really.}

06 Jan 2018 09:39:04
Frequently we are told that we need to take our red-tinted glasses off. We look on our own players and the clubb as faultless and attribute all the blame elsewhere. I am as guilty of this as anyone. However, I have viewed the Holgate incident countless times now to try and understand the referees decision, and I am sorry ED025 that should have been a straight red card.
I am a grade 6 referee in the USA, so I have a lot of experience in refereeing games - I understand how some incidents blur the line or happen so quickly it is impossible to catch them with the naked eye. However, this is not the case here. Holgate shoved an opposing player into the fans, after the ball was out of play. Under Law 12 of the FIF A and Fa rules that constitutes Excessive Force and is a sending off offense. That it occurred after the ball was out of play, so is therefore not a challenge, constitutes violent conduct, and seeing as the action could have brought injury it is a sending off offense.

I don't know what Firmino said, bring in the lip reading experts on that one, because a lot of people have their theories. If he said something racist he should be justifiably punished. I am not on the punish Holgate for playing the race card bandwagon. From his reaction he clearly, correctly or not, thought something had been said. But his actions correctly or incorrectly motivated by what Firmino said have to be judged in the moment, and according to the laws of the game he should have been sent off. That he did not even get a caution is frankly ridiculous.

{Ed025's Note - you make a good case Adz and if he had been sent off then who could complain, the ref made an on the spot decision and for me it was a yellow but im no expert mate..

06 Jan 2018 10:05:19
Holgate could have caused a serious injury to firmino, the referee had no control, Everton should have been down to 9 men in my opinion.

06 Jan 2018 10:29:01
Holgate could not only have caused injury to Firmino but also to people sat in the stands. He knew full well what he was doing.

{Ed025's Note - your right Mr D...a supporter could have been eating a prawn sandwich and a stray crustacean could have flew out of his mouth and blinded someone, maybe an over sharp dorito could have cut someone to ribbons or a loose scarf strangled a supporter in the ensuing melee?....have a day off mate..

06 Jan 2018 10:43:24
The game reminded me of the Spain vs Portugal World Cup game from a few years ago where Portugal's only tactic was to try and kick Spain off the field.

Rooney should have gone for mowing down Matip and Gomez in quick succession and Holgate should have been given two yellows (one for the push, one for forceably grabbing the ref) .

On a separate note, the ref clearly lost control of the game the moment he failed to punish that first Rooney challenge. And that was never a pen. It was almost as soft as the Lovren non challenge from the other game.

{Ed025's Note - if you write down your knowledge of football on the back of a stamp we can post it on here for you nick, if thats your assessment of the game..

06 Jan 2018 10:47:56
Ed25 i will put this towards you as youve been more imvolved with these posts on here since it happened .

When all is said and done both players and club will be punished. Holgate is a young lad and his temperament is of that, that's not excusing what he did but football has gone slightly soft (well more than slightly actually) . his push in today's terms could warrant a red (dangerous play using excessive force and trying to hurt a player) but a yellow is sufficient for me. his reaction to what's said is of more concern whether it is to a racial slur or not he can't react like that he man handled the ref along the way again which you can't do. heat of the moment and getting caught up in the occasion for me . But these pen pushers at the FA will use this incident to get some air time I think.

Great result for the reds though . Bring on the city Sunday now.

{Ed025's Note - i think we all know my feelings on the matter jimmy, i dont see anything sinister and think a line should be drawn under it and lets just move on mate..

06 Jan 2018 11:00:40
Ed025, you also forgot many fans could have been blinded with such close exposure to Bobbys ultra bright teeth :)

{Ed025's Note - another relevant fact in the prosecutions case Kd..well done mate..

06 Jan 2018 11:12:14
I wouldn't fill a stamp Ed. In all honesty though I do think Rooney was overzealous trying to leave something on Matip early on and I think if the ref had nipped it in the bud there and then the rest of the handbags could have been avoided. Funnily enough, when Everton started to play football in the second half they scored a goal (whether deserved or not is an entirely different matter) .

If I write really clearly would that fill that stamp?

{Ed025's Note - just about nick, derby,s have never been any different mate and i can remember stevie g putting in some very rash challenges in his time, nice to see you took my comments in the light hearted way they were meant mate..kudos..

06 Jan 2018 11:14:43
You’ve got extremely good eye sight Ed25! Prawn sandwich? I didn’t spot the United fan in the crowd 😜.

{Ed025's Note - that brigade frequent more grounds than just old trafford drogie mate..

06 Jan 2018 12:04:13
Thanks Ed, there's more to life than football. Never been one to fall out with people over it. You always show your face on here and give a fair assessment of what you see.

I just wanted to add my two cents worth.

And yes, Stevie G was often rash (I think he holds the record for fastest sending off in pl history) .

{Ed025's Note - fair play nick mate..

06 Jan 2018 13:13:33
Haha. True story Ed25.

06 Jan 2018 09:25:18
Hey Eds, was looking at the transfer news and we have been linked to Frederico Chris's of Fiorentina. Pretty sure there is nothing to it other than us just keeping an eye on him. However, took a look at couple of YouTube videos where he seems really good with both feet has pace too. But, YouTube certainly doesn't tell the whole story. So if you guys have seen him play, what are your thoughts about his strength and weaknesses, also clubs that are interested if any?

{Ed001's Note - not seen him play sorry.}

06 Jan 2018 09:31:52
Should be Frederico Chiesa, my bad. Thanks anyway. If anyone seen him play would like your opinions.

06 Jan 2018 08:59:26
After watching it over and over again. Also speaking to my Brazilian friend. We have come to the conclusion firmino shouted
"dezesseis jogos"
Which is extremely unfortunate, as it translates to "sixteen games".

{Ed025's Note - i like that benny..

06 Jan 2018 09:12:32
Benny what's the translation for 22 years.

06 Jan 2018 08:07:35
Good to see salah in the stands. Never seen coutinuo though. Says it all really.

Great result. I thought VVD did OK to be fair, think this is going to be a big week for the club going forward if they get enough money for couts and get prepared right for the city game I really think we can beat them.

06 Jan 2018 09:05:58
The best thing about Vvd for me last night is that he seemed to do more talking to team mates than the rest of the back 4 have done all season. Off course that won't matter for much of his own game is crap! He is also a goal threat, obviously! He could have scored 3!

06 Jan 2018 06:54:36
Macca where art thou?

06 Jan 2018 03:28:59
Holgate got the hump

Because Bobby uses Ultra Brite


YNWA.

06 Jan 2018 02:55:59
Big well done to the reds tonight, wasn’t our best performance but once again we dug deep and got a result.
Atmosphere was great after the opening goal.
Very happy with big VVDs debut, promising signs that we have a leader and a voice back in defence.

Coming home from anfield feeling abit annoyed though. Walking to the car behind Annie road and out of nowhere a blue nose absolutely wellies me in the leg, then proceeds to get in my face trying to cause trouble. A dead leg is the last thing you need when you’ve got a bloody 4 hour drive home haha

Nonetheless, well done reds.

Also well done Ed’s for your hard work and patience.

{Ed0333's Note - are you saying you got assaulted leaving the game?

06 Jan 2018 08:18:23
Sounds like he was replicating the bitters match tactics lad.

06 Jan 2018 09:03:51
Did he pushed you over an add board too?

06 Jan 2018 09:37:30
I wouldn’t call it assault. Took me by surprise as I was just minding my own business. There was no retaliation from me or my family and we just went our separate ways. Just annoyed me because there was no need for it.

Oh well.

City next, We are more than capable of getting 3 points. Would like to see mane run his legs off to make up for his mistake earlier this season. Hopefully Mo is back too :)

{Ed025's Note - well done you liam, the guy was obviously a dick head mate and neanderthals like him have no place in football or society for that matter..respect..

06 Jan 2018 09:59:10
I’m sure every club has them Ed25

Enjoy your weekend lads.

{Ed025's Note - unfortunately they do liam..

06 Jan 2018 12:16:10
We also finally have someone who can win aerial battles too, I was at work an listened on the radio and all I could hear was "van dijk wins the header" except a few rare occasions but damn! I had a feeling he might score a header but never actually expected it xD.
I wonder if that 1 performance alone shushed the people who say we could have got someone else for half the money 😂

06 Jan 2018 00:35:29
Average performance but a great win in the end. I'm guna give Holgate the benefit of the doubt and assume he really thinks Firmino said something out of order, and isn't just trying to stir the pot out of spite. I think most people saw what Bobby said, that won't stop the PC brigade whipping up a frenzy though.

06 Jan 2018 00:43:16
Shouldn't have bloody pushed him in the first place, it was stupid and I don't blame firmino for reacting.

06 Jan 2018 00:44:53
I saw the match and could not tell what Firmino said - please elaborate.

06 Jan 2018 00:45:49
I thought firmino may have done a naughty and went racial.

{Ed025's Note - i would say you are wrong..

06 Jan 2018 00:45:50
The lad spoke Portuguese, no benefit of the doubt for Holgate. From what I could translate nothing was said, none of it was in English. If Holgate speaks Portuguese fair enough but the lad looks like he struggles with his laces. If it’s a false accusation I’d love to see a slander claim filed. IF Jt comes out Firmino said something of that nature, which I HIGHLY doubt, he deserve red a band and fine. But, accusing someone falsely of it deserves an equal sentence.

{Ed025's Note - it looks like a misunderstanding in the heat of the moment to me JBLP..

06 Jan 2018 00:52:25
Not that I believe Bobby would make a racist comment, but I would imagine Holgate genuinely thinks he has done to react like that and the ref will have to report it if a complaint has been made. Can anyone lip read though cus I haven’t a clue however I bet my bottom dollar the ref went to the 4th official to tell him the Spanish/ Portuguese words he heard so he didn’t have to remember them. Strange that Holgate has deleted his Twitter though.

06 Jan 2018 00:55:29
It would of had to been in english for colgate to understand. The referee was right there. He has simply lied to keep himself on the pitch. Imagine if the ref sent someone off who was "racially abused" he would never live it down. Ref bottled it, colgate lied. putting my neck on the line with this, but i've seen every camera angle and using the fact the ref hasn't sent him off, im calling colgate a liar.

{Ed025's Note - you are guessing benny...bad idea...its people like you who got the likes of timothy evans hanged..

06 Jan 2018 00:59:21
U make a good point JBLP, but unfortunately there are rarely any charges for false accusations. Mud sticks so I hope this all gets sorted out quickly coz it really does seem something over nothing.

{Ed025's Note - i agree..

06 Jan 2018 01:00:16
People that lip read it say he said the Portuguese version of "are you mad? You son of a b***h"

06 Jan 2018 01:00:17
Words to the effect of 'crazy son of a . '. Nothing in it.

06 Jan 2018 01:01:16
Firmino's exact words are "Filho da p*ta" = motherf*cker. if that results in retrospective action then I'm pretty sure the premiership will no longer take place as all players will be banned.

{Ed025's Note - iv had to read it all night from the "filo da p*ta,s on here..

06 Jan 2018 01:05:56
Been translated and Firmino said "Are you crazy? Are you crazy? You son of a bitch". And as Firmane commented, Holgate should never have pushed him to begin with.

06 Jan 2018 01:07:57
Strong example ed but ostensibly true. Can't just come up with scenarios in your head and call it truth.

{Ed025's Note - im amazed by people on these pages WRKD...not only are most of them fluent in portugese...they are also expert lip readers...and now mystic benny baller can tell when someone is telling the truth or not!!...i do despair at times mate..

06 Jan 2018 01:11:08
Thing is ed, if someone accuses you of such things it can seriously kill your reputation an destroy lifes. i've seen it happen, as im sure many people have. I honestly think nothing will come of it, all will be forgotten. But that will only confirm colgates lies as he will go quiet with embarrassment. He told the referee he's been called a N. If its proven no one said that, do you think colgate should be punished? honestly?

{Ed025's Note - its all heat of the moment stuff benny and we will probably never know the real truth, things get said and people can be confused at to what has been said or not, what we cant do imo is call someone a liar until it has been proven that that is the case..

06 Jan 2018 01:15:02
Ed025's Note - iv had to read it all night from the "filo da p*ta, s on here.
Haha awesome ED.

{Ed025's Note - cheers mate..

06 Jan 2018 01:28:26
Yea well i suggest you follow my lead and leave them to it for the night. I heard Bobby Madley banged their heads together in the space between two frames of a camera shot and told them to get on with it.

Good on you anyway ed, i know i wouldn't much fancy the toffee gloating. Off to dream dreams of Virgil. yes, those dreams. I have an extensive tulip collection and he has large hands with which to hold them all.

{Ed025's Note - your right mate im off too...goodnight..

06 Jan 2018 01:36:55
HE definitely said the word puta that's for sure.

06 Jan 2018 04:27:05
I live in Portugal half the year, and I don’t have a clue what was said. so not sure how Holgate could have.

06 Jan 2018 01:57:58
A bit strong Ed025.lol. I'll take it on the chin but was simply commenting given the story that came out on GiveMeSport and a couple of other outlets suggesting very similar lip-readings and translations. Or was this thread NOT about what was allegedly said?

{Ed025's Note - i was just trying to lighten the mood reynard mate..

06 Jan 2018 02:03:09
Ed25, just saying that what i thoight firmino may have done given holgate's reaction, have no evidence to that tho and obviously hope not!

{Ed025's Note - we all hope not faith..

06 Jan 2018 07:31:59
FYI.
"Filha de P#ta" means son of a bi! CH

I am Portuguese, so just letting you know.

{Ed001's Note - it is irrelevant, it was just a misunderstanding that was quickly sorted out. There has been no allegations of any kind of racism coming out of the Everton camp.}

06 Jan 2018 08:27:29
Ed25 "things get said and people can be confused at to what has been said or not" that is simply not true. Colgate clearly tells the referee he's been called a N. he clearly says this. You need to stop defending him and acting as if though it's nothing, the only thing worse than racism is making it up.
Ed001 of course there's no allegations coming out of the Everton camp now. Because Colgate has been caught out like I said, and he's hiding with embarrassment. Has also deleted his twitter. Nothing will come out, it'll all be forgotten, but why if Colgate is so adamant he was called the N word?
The homophobe could of ruined firminos career.

{Ed025's Note - your guessing again benny, i will never defend racism in any form or false allegations, you are just looking for a scapegoat here when to me it looks like a case of a misunderstanding thats been lost in translation, you do seem to be a hang people before the trial sort of guy and i think you need to wait until things become clearer before wielding your axe mate..

06 Jan 2018 09:07:46
Honestly regardless of any potential misunderstanding I think holgate should be retrospectively punished for that push. He can clearly see what's going to happen and a push like that cold night with a barrier to avoid could easily have caused an injury. I would like to think Bobby said nothing racist and hydrate thought he heard something if he accuses him but I think this will all get swept away honestly.

{Ed025's Note - the ref seen the incident so there will be no retrospective punishment meted out for the "nudge" shane, i see that the cold weather is now a factor in the trial of the attempted murder of firmino...bloody amazing..

06 Jan 2018 09:15:43
I don't for one second ser how it can be a misunderstanding, especially with the ref in between them. Bobby was directly in front of them both. He either said it in English which would have been understood or Holgate has learnt Portugese. I think Holgate has played the ref, i might be wrong and i would accept anybody elses opinion. This is just how i see it.

06 Jan 2018 09:18:03
Hang people before trial kind of guy 😂😂😂😂.

06 Jan 2018 00:24:03
Anything into the Firmino incident?

{Ed025's Note - yeah...he needs to keep his balance better mate.. :)

06 Jan 2018 00:36:41
Fair play for rearing your head tonight 025. Blues could have done with a bit more of your courage ;)

{Ed025's Note - i dont think they lacked courage tonight WRKD, maybe a brain and a bit of skill but i thought we did ok mate..

06 Jan 2018 00:38:22
Anyone watching the game can see that the referee is right next to Holgate when the incident takes place. If there was anything untoward said Firmino would have been sent off, this will all come to nothing.

06 Jan 2018 00:39:29
Ed025 Do you think that Holgate will face a ban for the shove? I know Bobby didn't racially abuse him. I don't know where you watch or what they show, but here in the states it was on FS1, and you could clearly read his lips. I don't understand Portuguese, but lived in Texas long enough to recognize the word "puta". If he's lying about the racial abuse, and he is would he face further sanctions?

{Ed025's Note - the ref seen the incident so there should be no retrospective action milner. i think there has been a mistake that holgate thought it was a racial slur, i dont believe that for one minute and hope it gets put to bed asap mate..

06 Jan 2018 00:44:29
Ed, you'd have to be worried that you think you played okay, yet created 1 chance, and we were poor and won?

{Ed025's Note - i can see your point firmane but it was a lot better than we have seen for a while mate..

06 Jan 2018 00:46:38
So will Holgate or Everton suffer any reprimand for false accusations? Labels like that stick to a person.

{Ed025's Note - i dont know to be honest..

06 Jan 2018 00:47:52
Holgate committed the foul by shoving Firmino over the barriers which could have caused him injuries. Why he wasn't booked - at least - I have no idea.

{Ed025's Note - cudda wudda shudda....lets move on..

06 Jan 2018 00:51:54
I know, could've gone any way to be fair. Just happened to be the Van Dijk show in the end and plays out that way sometimes.

As for holgate gate, storm in a tea cup. Shove was silly but looked worse because he ended up in the crowd. Firmino was miffed and swore in portuguese which the lad didn't understand and thought it was worse than it was. Ref was nonplussed, why should we be?

{Ed025's Note - that sums it up perfectly for me mate..

06 Jan 2018 06:04:51
I don't have a better way to say this, but Ed025 is becoming a legend on here! Good on you, after a game against the Blue half of Merseyside, a game that had some important flashpoints, that you're just yourself and so true. We could all learn from this!

{Ed025's Note - i do try noski, cheers mate..

06 Jan 2018 00:00:18
So being a grumpy old bar stool I have council TV, and I got to watch the game in my council house tonight, where I can hear the kop louder than my black n white tv, so I eventually get to ask a question to the funky digital viewers out there. In four words, please sum up Alan Shearers assessment of the game, oh and what he thinks of us scousers?

06 Jan 2018 00:37:53
Black, white, Manc allover.

06 Jan 2018 00:59:15
Shearer:
You can't put your hands on another player in the area you give the ref no choice

Today
Its a contact sport just because you touch another player in the area don't make it a penalty

blokes gone down in my estimations.

06 Jan 2018 02:09:14
4 words?

Clueless, inconsistent, disingenuous, vacuous.

06 Jan 2018 06:05:42
The Real Ron Keague is back!