Liverpool Banter Archive January 06 2013

 

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06 Jan 2013 23:07:29
This is just a general thought. If liverpool don't qualify for champions league this year which is probably likely do you think suarez will stay. There is a real chance that a massive offer might come in for luis. I'd say 60 million if he plays a second half of the season like the first. Hopefully he stays though. If he did leave though who would you buy? I'd go damaio Ben arfa and eriksen probably for around 55-60 million. Outs would be spearing carra doni assasidi etc would probably equal out the wage bill.


They would be three good signings, seems it d be good either way, if he stays great if he goes and we spend the money wisely then great

personally i think he ll give us another year

tom1975


A player of Suarez's class wouldn't stick around without CL. I doubt he will stay in England. In the continent, I don't think there are many clubs who would be willing and able to splash out big cash. Juventus or Real Madrid perhaps if they lose Ronaldo. Also, I wouldn't want to offer any incoming players disproportionately high wages as this may skew the wages of the others upwards during contract negotiations.

The Jester


I would be very surprised if he was still here after the summer if we don't get CL. Hopefully we put the money we may gain to good use and pick up a few top class replacements (i.e. please don't spend it on a 35M 'prospect').


Surely you jest?


55-60 million

spent on damiao, erikksen and another


 

 

06 Jan 2013 21:05:30
Ed002, just wondering what to expect if the club were to be sold by floatation? Does that mean that the company would effectively be owned by many many shareholders?

I would be utterly gutted if moaning fans were a driving force behind a sale. Quids in if it was to an ambramovic type owner, but that's unlikely. If it all goes t#ts up then the 'fans' will blame fsg - but they would only need to look in the mirror to see who was really responsible.

I would hope that fsg realise that it's not the majority of fans that want them out. They must have encountered haters before but I bet the Red Socks fans never acted like spoilt brats!

Fowler99 {Ed002's Note - If it goes to floatation it is likely that it would result in predominantly institutional owners (Banks, Insurance Companies and the like. To be fair, the Red Sox fans have not been great this year.}


FSG are businessmen, they don't make decisions based on emotions. All successful businessmen are hated at some level.
They sacked a club legend, what do they expect? A Christmas card?
They aren't fools.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:36:17
and to add the last post - we are looking at christian eriksen in the summer

evz


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:34:13
Not a rumour but i would like to see us sign damiao very good player knows were the goal is a still believe we r one striker short. Borini suarez sturridage is not enough all the major players have four im a big fan of are youngsters but believe the likes of morgan are jot in managers plans. hope pacheco goes on loan and shows his quality. but damiao is the perfect centre forward for this club. and the reported 20m to spurs is a gd price and investment. sell carrol (good player but not a rodegers player) we all know is going in summer for eighteen and a extra 2 ans we got damiao..... sorry to go on but coates dif class he lqcks bit of pace but reads game well and has the height is a copy of hypia. rafa rotation policuly we used to have would see the like of agger skrtle and coates hqppy i think is a must... cara needs retire Nd me named coach and be groomed as next manager. last 10 games we need 24points for rodgers to keep his job.... needs show progress again his is just my opinion stege p


Have to admit a frontline of suarez damiao and sturidge would be awesome

cant see it though


The problem with Coates is that I don't think he is strong enough in the tackle.

I also think the BR will get more time. No one better to replace him, FSG will lose too much face if they sacked him and also, I think the club is going in the right direction. We actually have a proper playing style and philosophy. Whilst we played some good stuff under Kenny, it just didn't feel like there was a long term plan

The Jester


Fsg arent that smart when it comes to signings


Suarez, Sturridge, Borini could be great and is not just wishful thinking.
kidmillions


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:33:44
ins (possible/likely)
ince
gameiro
will hughes
koen sillivis smitt
do not rule out theo, he's still not signed and we are keen

out
coates loan
nuri (possible) trying to offload
reina in the summer likely

i think it will be a good window for us, we're building for the future

eds?

evz


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:30:47
Just read an interesting reply from a guy defending Suarez goal today.....'I don't care if he was having sex with the ball at the time, as long as it went over the line, who cares ? '

Forgive me but I couldnt help but titter !

Tel 1949


This honestly made my day hah.

Red Rat


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:29:17
Something I've found interesting is that I remember when reading about Rodgers tactics and theories, if you remember the whole thing a about the different zones or whatever. The thing is that he preferred having a true central striker who stayed mostly central and occupied the center backs. Now Im not talking about a big lumbering guy like Carroll, just someone who occupies that zone of the field.

Now obviously Suarez has played as a free 9 or false 9 or whatever you want to call him. BUt I think that was a matter of need. We were light on attacking options overall and specifically at striker. We had to allow Suarez to roam and create all over the place or else we'd have no offense.

Is Sturridge the man to play this #9 role and be a prolific goal scorer? The jury is out. I think there are promising signs, he did manage to score 17 league goals in 24 appearances between the spring of 10 and the fall of 11. That's a good return.

Now was for Suarez, obviously we still want him to be the main man on the team. He's out best player afterall. My guess is that against lesser opponents who we want to dominate he will play behind the striker in a very free role. However against the bigger clubs or certain clubs on the road Rodgers will opt for a bit more of true 3 man midfield and will move Suarez out wide, but tucked in.


My initial reaction with the Sturridge signing is that Suarez is on fire at the moment and why upset the balance when things are going so well? Think back to Keegan's Newcastle - my opinion is that they didn't lose the championship because KK lost the plot with Lord Ferg's mind games, but when Asprilla signed and disrupted the Ferdinand/Beardsley partnership.

I can see Sturridge as a #9 in the long term, but I hope that we don't disrupt our current form this season

The Jester


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:24:13
Just had a call from a mate who's brother does security at anfield and he reckons that he has seen Mido arrive, he is On a free now I understand

Kingken


It's Midas that we need!
AK06


And i suppose his cousin works in the canteen eh ?


Yes, I'm sure your brother would recognise Mido, Lol!


Best rumour I've read...Mido...LOL

Red PG


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:18:19
Before I continue into the post, I think that today was a good result. Cup ties with teams who have nothing to lose can be notoriously difficult and no matter how good a side can be it sometimes boils down to physicality over set pieces. Thus i believe the result was good and the performance was particulary impressive in the first half and other patches

Moving on though I want to talk about Flanno. Granted he is young and is gaining vital experiance in the handful of games he is playing but im afraid to say that i find him to be an absolute liability and sadly not good enough to make the cut. Ever since he started playing First team games under KD i think his performance levels have dropped and he seems extremely rash; he managed to pick up a yellow in the 13 or so minutes was on and in the last game i recolect him playing he was nearly sent off against Blackburn!

I don't like to be negative towards the younger players because they are in a learning curve the whole time and it is extremely pleasurable to see the younger players even given a chance but im just voicing my opinion and slight concern!

the team performance was good however and we have saved ourselves an extra game in the form of a reply and thats all that matters

Thanks
SR


What does slating a youngster on a rumours forum accomplish other than show how unsupportive us fans are?

If a player isnt good enough to make the grade BR will move them on eventually

Until then we have the thinnist squad in the league and need to utilize it


You don't work with him? see him in training on a daily basis? Your assessment of a young player is based?
He's had very limited minutes on the pitch for your assessment.
kidmillions


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:17:55
Been really impressed with Robinson ever since the Arsenal game last year, very solid today and continues to impress. Wisdom also had a good game, can't wait to see him as a fully fledged CB like Kelly.

mozzilfc


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:13:31
Top story on SSN, Suarez handles ball for Liverpool goal, "UNREAL".. I wonder how many other players wudda made top story for a handball!
JJ


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:12:59
It's a shame to say this but Luis Suarez will leave probably at the end of this season or next. This will not be due to wanting CL football or a bumper pay packet, but simply due to the British media who turn on him at every opportunity. For example if United had scored that goal today, either Rooney or rvp would it be in the main headlines of the BBC 10pm news under the the term "more controversy".

There is only so much bad publicity and media attacks a player can take.

Would like to know what the eds and other posters think.

IMH


Rubbish, he is booed everywhere he plays he thrives off it

As he said himself he only cares about the uruguay and liverpool fans

He had the chance to go in the sunmer during a time when we was very unstable but he wante to stay


Suarez doesn't give a fig what the media write or what opposition fans think.

He's a winner, he plays to win and he won't let media tittle tattle distract him.


Luckily for us, he seems to thrive on it! I say keep it coming - its like it pumps him up even more. Hopefully it means he will put away a few more next weekend!

Nick


Lad he thrives on this media mash tell me if he ends up with one of them pfa writers awards at the end of the season do you really expect him to make a speach know why because results are the currency of football and suarez is top dollar the more media mash the more goals suarez will score havent you seen that side of his play yet fellow red loyalty is very scarce and the little uraguyan missile is paying us back for being loyal


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:12:49
heard huddlestone might be avalible for cheap...what do you reckon eds...young decent english cover??


He is also slow over weight and terrible hope that cleared it up for u.
Mar


Who givesa rubbish if our players are english??


 

 

06 Jan 2013 22:12:36
Admit it, that celebration from Sturridge would be hilarious at Old Trafford next weekend!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 21:57:39
Not sure about sturridge goal celebration...preferred crouch's robot moves.


I hated that goal celebration when he was at chavski, but to be honest i just wanna see more and more of it now....

rodger the dodger


I didnt get a good look at it, need to see more of it ...much more


I don't see what people have against his dance who cares what he does if hes going to put the ball in the net, I don't mind it and it will grow on you seriously:)


Shelvey joining in just made it


Shelvey instigated it loooooool


 

 

06 Jan 2013 21:39:52
Was in work today so didn't see the game, but I did catch the goals on the news on the t.v in the canteen. Was on for maybe 60 seconds or so but it reminded me of the spoof comedy documentary " Bostocks Cup ". If your not familiar with it, get on youtube and watch it, it's QUALITY! Quite a few of the jokes were picked up in the film a few years later, Mike Bassett. Anyway back to the game, can't comment on the performance because as I said I didn't see it but was glad to see Sturridge score and at least were through with a very winable next tie.

Waro


What was the point of this post
FowlerisGod


Think its called banter.
Campbell


 

 

06 Jan 2013 21:32:21
The Negativity and constant moaning by fans towards the players, manager, owners and the club in general are pathetic.if you won't the owners to "splash the cash" as many of you say, then in ten years time we won't be here.the transfer fees, wages, agent fees were out of control.so i don't blame them for trying to draw it back in.yes every1 is entitled to there opinion, but some comments are beyond a joke.lets get behind the team and give rodgers a chance

ste


 

 

06 Jan 2013 21:15:05
I think it says alot about the club that we have no player to occupy the number 9 or 10 shirts..

My prediction for Jan

Sturridge 12m
Ince 5m
Quaresma Free
Mirin 3m

Cole Free
Morgan Loan
Coates Loan
Sahin cancelled Loan

Net Spend 20m


The days of the numbrt denoting the position are long gone. Incoming players choose their own number from whatever is free. Sturridge chose his own number. 9 will go when someone coming in wants it - no guarentee that it will be a striker, no reason why it can't be taken by a goalie. Likewise with 10. If Ince comes he may decide to take 9 or 10, or even any number he feels like.


10 has only just become available 2 days ago.
9 is still occupied.

Behave yourself lad!


Andy Carroll has the number 9


06 Jan 2013 22:21:33
Shirt numbers are completely irrelevent nowadays, Dempsey at spurs wears 2 but it doesnt mean that he's a right back.


Are things goin that way that we even have to moan about what numbers players are wearing???
does it matter???
we all love the legends that have made certain numbers 'special' to are family, but it will always be the liverbird on the chest they wear that matters most to me.......
just saying thats all......

rodger the dodger


I'd rather avoid the other three and put that money towards eriksen in the summer.


06 Jan 2013 22:50:13
I say give Suso the number 10 shirt!

EdurificAZy


Raheem to follow in John Barnes and Michael Owen footsteps


To the op: no it doesn't


 

 

06 Jan 2013 21:04:44
Good win, next round a good draw for us.

First teamers rested. Sturridge scores on debut.
Nothing more to gain from a match like this.

STOP moaning. Be happy. Man Utd next

M.Aurelius


 

 

06 Jan 2013 21:02:08
One Daniel Sturridge. There's only one Daniel Sturridge. One Daniel Sturridge!


Actually tberes at least two. One now plays for liverpool while another is a butcher in cornwall


There's only two Daniel Sturridges, twooooo Daniel Sturridges.....


I wonder whether that should be 'two Daniel Sturridgii ?

Puzzled


 

 

06 Jan 2013 21:00:37
Can I just say, young Flanno wasn't on long so how did he have a poor game?


Sorry to be so negative but I don't think he is going to make at LFC.
He needs at least to go out on loan to get more experience.
There are better lads coming through in the same position.


Sorry if some post's upset you Mrs. Flanagan!


Flanni did really well when he came ON


 

 

06 Jan 2013 20:46:48
Hi eds why would sturridge not take the no. 9 shirt ?


Because the No 9 shirt still belongs to Andy Carrol until he gives it up or leaves the club permenantly.

Red1


Because we will be signing a number 9 ;-)


Being saved for David Villa clearly


It's being saved for David Bentley.

davethebutcher


Because he will get 15 goals this season
derryred


Balotelli wants it


 

 

06 Jan 2013 20:44:21
Did anyone else see Brian Cox's interview after the game? He came out in support of Suarez and actually had some pretty nice things to say about him. Didn't even complain the officials.

Very humble in defeat, fairplay man. I know a certain red nose angry manager who should take a page from his book

Kelly Red


Being gracious in defeat hasnt made sir alex the best manager of the last 30 years has it


True.
He was given a chance to put the boot in but showed real class.

Sonny Red.


Brian Cox?
Was he speaking from CERN?


That guy was a class act, he was brilliant re Luis. Many managers at a higher level could do with some his quality.

BR was superb in how he handled the questions as well. I loved the king but I have to say that Brendan handles the press in a way that defuses a lot of problems. A very very good manager in the making.


Brian Cox the actor? He's also a CERN physicist?? That guy's a jack of all trades!!

Cuchulainn's Hounds


Totally agree mate - BR has my full faith .

The Don


 

 

06 Jan 2013 20:36:47
If fsg ever needed proof that we need more quality players then that game should have done it. Lets see will they put there money where there big fat mouths are. My guess is there will be some excuse by them and no-one else will be brought in and more empty promise'es for the summer. Geting sick of fsg at this stage.the only difference between them and the last lot is their better liars.


Think the players did well today. Jones looked solid, the defence had a average age of about 21 and delt with a lot of high balls against a physical side. Midfield pass well on a poor playing surface and I thought Sturridge looked sharpe. Bear that in mind we made 9 changes from the last BPL game I think we look strong. I would wait till the summer when we have more funds available and more players to choose from and buy 1or 2 top players that can go in the starting 11 straight away. Unless those players are available now and we can mahe a push for top 4. Can see the side evolving well and pleased with what BR is doing. There's going to be times where we feel things are not going to plan ie Stoke and Villa but we just need to be patient. Feeling confident we ca turn Utd over next week.
Bilverstone
YNWA
JFT96


Yet another unsigned, crying, moaning strap on......
i can't cope with these tools much longer

rodger the dodger


 

 

06 Jan 2013 20:27:15
Support for the 96 plus the below shows Mansfield are pure class. I do believe I've found a favorite Blue Square Premier side to support.

--
Asked if he felt it was cheating or an instinctive reaction from the Liverpool striker, Cox told ESPN: "I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt and say it was a reaction, he's a goalscorer and I think goalscorers put the ball in the net anyway. He's a great fabulous talent, I'd go pay to watch him week in and week out. He's a wonderful player.''

Cox also insisted he did not feel cheated, saying: "No I don't. For me to come out and say something like that I think would be quite cheap. If it had gone in the other end and one of our players had done it I think we'd have accepted it.

"This is the FA Cup, this is the beauty of it, sometimes it goes for you, sometimes it doesn't. It's a beautiful game and for me he's a fabulous talent and for this country we're lucky to have him here. I don't think we should call him for doing something that I think 99 out of 100 players would do.''


If he said that what a top bloke.

Reusch


Yeah i must say he conducted himself brilliantly in the after match interview, the commentator was a joke but "the work of a cheat". Typical english media.
derryred


What a credit to his team that manager is, he has got more class the majority of managers in the Prem. I hope that he gets Mansfield back into the football league.
Scouse_Pride


 

 

06 Jan 2013 20:20:56
We won't sign players like Quaresma, Villa and Sneijder. FSG have made it quite clear they won't pay out for the £100 - 200,000 per week wage budgets these players want, why do you think we sold joe cole?, Ince is the only other signing, wait for summer people.


"cough" sold joe cole?


07 Jan 2013 00:37:03
what will actually change in next summer, making it different to the summer past?

Will the owners finances and or policies suddenly alter or increase substantially? ...personally I think not


Quaresma?? Have you ever seen how bad that lad is?
kidmillions


 

 

06 Jan 2013 20:19:06
great win today, three wins on the trot, roll on man u. sturridge has pace and wil add goals. robinson looks a good prospect. susso and allen imo a little disappointing. eds not liverpool related but what happened with matias suarez move to moscow last year. why did he fail a medical. i believe his contract is up in the summer. if so, as he is a class player has liverpool any interest.

B O H


The pitch today was heavy and very poor for small players like Suso and Allen
We need some big lads for the centres of midfield, like that lad at West Ham who got from Wigan.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 20:05:50
to challenge for 4th or even the league over the next couple of years is obviously a very tough ask. allthough our keeper, back 4, midfieldof gerrard, allen and lucas and forward options of suarez, sturridge, sterling and borrini is very strong our bench of suso, henderson, downing, assaidi, coates and doni just doesnt do it for me. what do you think. having said that we are far stronger now than last year


Were another 2 players (£30 mil ) away from challenging? Not years? Maybe even this season top 4 challenge late on if we can stay in touch.
kidmillions


 

 

06 Jan 2013 20:04:57
You moaners should know your history.
Look at Liverpool's cup results even when we were league or european champs.
Replays to lower league sides, extra time wins.
That's the FA Cup for you. Always was, and long may it always be.
Good cup tie on a heavy 1970's style pitch.
We got stuck in and did the business in the end.


Your right mate so many clowns just looking to moan about anything and everything, its gettin me down reading some of the crap spouted on here...

rodger the dodger


Hear Hear

Irish Red


 

 

06 Jan 2013 20:03:02
Any one who wants to moan about Rodgers, Sturridge, Allen, Shelvey and Suarez should do us all a favour and forget about supporting our team as YOU ARE NOT!!!!!

Lets give the lads support like real fans do. Anyone that doesnt please do 1


Ppl telling the moaners to not be at it has become just as boring as the moaning itself


 

 

06 Jan 2013 20:00:54
I don't like to run any of our players down but i think shelvey should spend a little time in the reserves his lazy attitude the day was really getting on my nerves, If you think you've made it son you've another thing coming that was a very poor lack lusture performance and only looked interested when on the ball and im being generous.

gee man


Ridiculous statement


What match was you watching?


06 Jan 2013 20:46:59
What game were you watching! Shelvey is becoming a fantastic player who you will see more and more of in the 1st team. His movement, distribution and link up play were spot on, just look at his assist for Sturridge.

Just cannot believe some of the comments on this site trying to slate young players who are gaining vital experience every time they play, which shows in their improvement.

IMH


If stevie g had played that pass bet you would have been praising him,
Personally thought shelvey put a good shift in, good vision and passing.
Wish all the persons would go to bed ready for school tomoz


Totally agree with first poster, Shelvey was awful.


First half shelvy was fantastic.. second harlf not as good. Great protential and if he can build up his fitness like andy murry had too, then work out how to score then youll have a world class player.
As for allen.. i don't think he has been better than Spearing and infact would say Spearing has more fight and determination.. 15m is a tad steap in my opinion


The assist from Shelvey was great, however I do marginally agree with the OP. His attitude in games really aggrevates me, he does often look very lazy and some of his passsing is extremely lackadaisical at times. Still he should be a good player for the future if he doesn't buy into his own hype too much.

GLfc


Gee Man - 'you don't like to run any of our players down', then you proceed to slag off one of our young players ?
Get a grip please, and stop and read what you have just posted ! We don't need moaning supporters like you mate..... don't bother posting again, and in your own words, Im being generous.

Tel 1949


"i don't like to run any of our players down"
well youve done a pretty good job havent ya gee man, go for a nice long walk and sort ya head out lad...
we won and where through, be happy and be lucky......

rodger the dodger


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:57:49
What a great gesture from Mansfield to the 96 fans who were sadly taken from us at hillsborough..... An absolute touch of class from them and I thank them from the bottom of my heart.....hold your head high tonight Mansfield and all the best for the rest of the season, you deserve it!

Ack17


Careful mate, I left a similar comment below congratulating Mansfield on their amazing kind gesture and I had people disagreeing, some people are just really pathetic, I'm embarrassed if they call themselves Liverpool fans

Kelly Red


Hey kelly, they won't be, have no worries- they'll be mancs or bitters.

they spend more time on here than their own versions. it's borderline obsession. all real reds give a debt of thanks and best wishes to mansfield today...


Absolutely mate, if I began showing any interest at all in the blue square league I'd lean towards supporting Mansfield after the 96 tribute from them and the comments made from their manager today. Those killjoys at SSN and the p*ss ants up the M62 could learn a thing or two from Paul Cox's attitude.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:56:46
Just wanted to say I thought Jamie Carragher was absolutely superb again today! Knows what it takes to win football matches at the very top level. Legend.


Yeah to be fair to carragher although hrs played less he had been a lot better than last year.


Top level ? he was blowing for tugs against Mansfield mate


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:56:06
its really simple..brad jones is a better keeper right now than reina..when it comes to saving shots and preventing goals from going in..this guy is miles ahead of pepe..reina is only good at distribution and command of his area..rodgers should wake up..


The amount of times he punched or didnt kill the ball means i tend to disagree :/, pepe is far better on the ground aswell, he just needs to find form again


Why use jones good performance as leverage for having a go at rodgers ?
derryred


06 Jan 2013 22:17:24
Totally disagree, Reina's far better.

Jones is a good shot stopper but he looked really uncomfortable with balls around the area and flapped at a lot of balls (remember the one he parried into Carra at the near post that went out for a corner? Could've easily gone in) that he should've held.

Reina has his occassional flaps too, but he usually knows when he's not catching something and gets a firm punch instead. Jones doesn't. I like the guy, but I'm never confident about him.

- Something Red -


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:53:06
Fergie has just come out to support Suarez with recent events! He claims that he cannot blame Suarez for using his hands...after all heading the ball could have killed him.
its stole but its a good one
red rrab


That made me chuckle.

MikeyRed92


Ha Ha!

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:50:06
Now just bring United and top4 is ours Rodgers is proving why he is world class manager buying Sturridge was masterstroke. Sturridge is going to be our ticket for top4


So a Chelsea reserve is your saviour?

AJH


Saviour is a bit much, but he's a talented young forward with lots of potential. Whether he lives up to that potential remains to be seen, but he certainly has my full support and his effort today was top notch.


AJH how pathetic, you could say that about every player thats bought


World class after one game? Really!
I like sturridge and can only compare him to Welbeck as tbey are so similar, however he aint a 20 goal a season man but he has a great partner to lesrn off and swuarez puts fear in defenders which means hes two man marked which eould give sturridge more space. Today he had half a dozen chances but scored once


Calm down mate, its one game.
derryred


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:49:14
Not really bothered..suarez sells papers and they always wait for him to do something controversial, then they twist the story the best way possible to make him look like a criminal.

Any smart human being would know it wasnt deliberate.even if it was i still don't care
if a mansfield player did this, nobody would give a f***

Dont want to say much about the game, but mansfield really put on a great showing.

PACMAN


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:44:57
This is the definition of a supporter.

'A person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular sports team'

I don't deny that a lot of people on this site are actively interested, but as for wishing support, my god do a lot of you fail miserably.

Gone are the days of encouragement and praise. Now it's finding flaws and faults in everyone and everything. I don't mean to sound rude to those that put time and effort into this site, regular posters, Eds and just active readers. But I'm really struggling to see the benefit of continuing to use this site.

Personally I'd love an area for members only, people that are happy to contribute a small fee and have banter not constantly lambaster our beloved club. I'm all for constructive criticism, but I don't believe that's what happens anymore. It is honestly killing me, we win albeit poorly. Yet all I read is misery, like winning isn't enough these days. Frankly a lot of you should hang your heads in shame, support from the masses is dead!

Papa G


I agree it used to be you watched players who you may have seen in school make it... They were better than you and you followed them. Now football manager has made everyone think they know best, YouTube makes them think there the best scouts and god know why they think they understand the finance side of things but they do! Posters are getting on my nerves in general on here... Well not all

Put your views across but support them hey!


The money these 'teams' are on means real fans should expect to be entertained..........too many fans on here who wear rose coloured spectacles and keep making rubbishty excuses for the lack of effort and consistency we have seen all to often this season. We have a right to speak our mind and when we do because we care, all we hear is persons like you keep coming on here and telling everyone all is ok!! If I did my job as inconsistently as some of these guys, whilst earning a fraction of what they do I would be out of a job mate! If you wear the shirt expect to perform and entertain your fans so get back on your soap box!


I appreciate educated criticism and agree a lot of players earn good money and don't always perform as you and others hope.

What I don't appreciate is blind criticism. In all fairness it was a standard FA cup tie, on a horrendous pitch with a disjointed side. We're not the only side to perform like this in the past and we certainly won't be going forward.

However the first half we could/should have been 3 or 4 up. All through concise impressive attacking football. We've player fairly impressively all season and despite our points total, we're still in two cups and with a shot of 4th. Yes we'd all like to be competiting at the top, but right now that's not realistic.

What I want fans to do is give the manager and our young team time to develop and earn their wages. The. Come the end of the season, then judge but not too critically given that we've still got some way to go. It's no point moaning and criticising without trying to support and hope for success.

Papa G


Well not a fantastic performance from a younger more inexperienced team, however we are just as well off beating a conference team with a contraversial goal as we would be had we won 6-1. End of the day job done.
derryred


06 Jan 2013 21:10:29
Papa G mate some fans are trying to adjust Liverpool are a midtable team now or should I say mediocrity is taking its toll on fans. Fans are so frustrated of midiocrity that they abuse owners, eds, players, manager, etc. There is no passion or pride left, Anfield is like library nowdays.
In my opinion hicks and Gillet debacle have really effected our fan base.


Spot on Papa G.
I feel exactly the same.
I used to be a regular on this site, but now there are too many negative comments from the so called 'supporters' of our club!

When are they going to except that we are not the force we used to be?

Signs are encouraging and in time we will once again be competing for top honours, but until then, if you've got nothing positive to say, take your negative views elsewhere.

Having said that, if you feel the need to have a moan, try and make it constructive and do your best to offer solutions that don't involve sacking the manager!


Grant.


Hey Papa G I agree with what you say about too much expectation and we are a mid table team.....all I mean is that they still have to show a bit of fight and consistency and we all know the body language and efforts of some of the younger and senior players this season has been shocking at times. They get paid 50-100 grand per week to show up and put in a stint not for apologists to make excuses for them!

Paul B


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:42:04
Impressed by Sturridge's movement, change of pace, intelligence and all round play, yes it's only Mansfield blah blah blah, but for someone who hasn't played a competitive game for so long he did well, I am a doubter of his but I think I am going to be happily proved wrong, also hope we can bring Ince back as it was criminal that we allowed him to go so easily, shows the good work that Borrell is doing, plus £6m for Ince looks better than £12m for Zaha.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:40:02
Gosh, how amazing nobody has mentioned the referee...

AJH


Paul Mariner! The Ref! Happy?


What he got it wrong it only half makes up for the 2 disallowed goals we have had so far this season, notice how i never see you on here after we win ?
derryred


06 Jan 2013 22:36:36
what are you talkin about we did win you nugget, or was it that embarrassin it feels like a loss


AJH tank your manager for allowing to use one of the FA's finest.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:25:24
I've just seen David Villa, honest. He's just come on as a second half sub for Barca against Espanyol!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:22:58
We play football on the deck these days so it was always gonna be difficult playing any lower league team in the FA cup on a minefield!
JJ


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:22:19
I swear half the posts on here are from embittered moles of rival clubs...

My opinion:

- 'Ground out' a win (something we've struggled to do successfully for a very long time)
- Sturridge scored on debut (yay!)
- Suarez got a bit of good fortune at last (and will do ANYTHING for the team)
- We won.

Seems like a good day at the office to me...

;0)

Dr S. Atire.


The 2 that disagreed are moles


They ARE moles; one is a mouse's sidekick and resides beneath a pillarbox on the corner of Baker Street, the other resides on sarah jessica parker's chin.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:18:28
Do they play rugby on that mansfield pitch.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:16:22
Well done lads!
The pitch was awful though .... Lol :0)
Oh well, that's the FA cup for you..!

Phooey...


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:15:42
Well done to Mansfield for supporting the 96, they had a banner up on a stand and the names of each victim on the seats,, that was brilliant, fairplay.

Unlucky today lads, you's did your club proud (unlike some of our so called moaning fans who leave nothing but bitchy comments on here)

Kelly Red


Kudos to Mansfield, the 96 seats was a classy touch, the dignity of their manager was refreshing, yes it was handball but he was honest in saying if it went their way he would be happy so no complaints from him.

Well said Kelly Red!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:12:11
Surprised the Eds haven't been asked if were going for green from Mansfield!!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:11:57
Yet ANOTHER ABYSMAL performance, never witnessed such a negative LFC side ever, I counted 7 back passes to Jones in the 1st 90 secs.

There is nothing there, no stlye, no pattern, no movement, the whole structure of how we play is an absolute embarrassment to say the least.

I have said it before and I will say it again there is NO other football club on this planet who plays football like we do.

I have never ever seen a team that passes back so much, as soon as an opposing player comes towards us, it's turn round and pass it back.

Again far too many players not at the racers, Lucas, Allen, Shelvey, Suso, Downing, Henderson contributed very little.

For me the ONLY positive today was the performance of Sturrige, who showed good movement and played well and could of scored a hatrick

alan50


Do they have to Keep All sharp objects under lock and Key in your house!!


I fear looking at what you write in case I want to end of all!!


Lyndon


What a load of rubbish you just spouted alan50


You can't have watched us being knocked out by Barnsley all those years ago, then. I'm amazed that LFC still picks up plastic fans.

If I'm honest Alan, you'd be doing everyone a favour if you just fudged off this site all together.

Your a Grade A cocker spaniel and not worthy to call yourself a supporter of Liverpool football club.

Papa G


Think you miss the point Alan, BR likes to play possession football - 1st ten mins we had 90% of the possession and a goal.

One of the reasons we had this possession was players moving allowing them to recieve a pass or allow others to move into those positions.

Some players had poor games, but every player has a poor game no matter what team they play for.

Also the team had 8 changes including the 3rd and 4th choice centre backs and 2 teenagers playing at full back.

Not a great performance but doesn't deserve the words Abysmal if you ask me!

Hoola


I agree that we pass back too often.
And yes today we were poor, but to make a generalisation about our movement throughout this season is wrong. Our movement is usually brilliant


Dont know why you follow football.
Your miserable win, lose or draw.
What enjoyment do you actually get from watching football?

MIKEY


Touch on alan your getting more boring by the hour!


Alan50

why do you bother posting..............no one is listening?
Gav


We made 8 changes today and most of the players were about 20 years of age! Maybe that was reason we were not so good second half.

The pitch was awful and did not suit our style of play and they just went route one.

Come get behind the team we are through to next round.

Steve068


Summertime and the livin is eeasy, fish are jumpin and the cotton grows highh...
My singing is atrocious, particularly when written down.
So is your support Alan50.

BigBadBen


Oh it's you again Alan... I could do a little dance, the joy you bring us all.


Alan50 I doubt you can even support you own Weight!!

Never mind the Mighty LFC


Lyndon


Oh dear, its time for Alan50's sad five minutes again. Cheer up Alan, you're becoming a running joke.

cozinoz


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:11:05
Mansfield co owner piece-a young Brooke Shields(for those who remember) And she's not bad either!


Ha yeah, last 15 minutes the camera was on her more than the game

Fairplay to him

Kelly Red


The Russians love Brooke Shields because her eyebrows remind them of Leonid Brezhne

-Robin Williams

Cuchulainn's Hounds
(would've preferred a younger Kim Basinger myself!)


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:09:43
Barcelona would of struggled on that pitch 2day 3 points well done stop moaning at sturidge haters be sshhhh. Lfc fazak


Uhm, don't get 3 points in the F.A cup
robbie


3 points? It was the FA cup lad


3 points? Didnt know Mansfield were in the prem


Haha briliant class 1 person i am glad some 1 nz on the ball few 2 many buds :)


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:08:30
God I love when Suarez winds the haters up. Ugly win but I'll take it!

And my word the state of the pitch today! Before the players came out I was half expecting it to be a monster truck derby!

Ynwa


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:05:59
Thought we moved the ball well first half and every player had a good performance. Second half i didn't expect anything less, it was all or nothing for them, pressed us well


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:03:46
Just a quick observation on today's game, a typical cup tie on a bog of a pitch, we came out on top against a determined well organised though limited team . The suarez goal was unfortunate, I don't think he meant it and the comments by Jon champion on Espn were outrageous, Sturridge looks up for it and will do for me .Progress is being made and I can't wait for next Sunday, classy touch by mansfield by the way. Simmo 71


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:02:49
Some people on here make me laugh, they complain even if we win, it doesn't matter how you win, just as long as you do win! You should be happy coz if that was us earlier in the season we would of buckled under the pressure and conceded another goal, so great character from the lads today on a tricky FA Cup game on a very poor pitch!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:02:01
Job done. Well done BR snf Liverpool, we're through to the next round so we should all be happy. I was fairly impressed in the first half with such a young team. However, a bit of constructive criticism.

Suso didn't have his best game and I was very disappointed with Robinson, Coates and Flannagan, what do the rest of you guys think? I just hope these guys aren't defending when we face Van Persie next Sunday!

Kelly Red


Robinson had a good game


Yeah I thought Coates and especially Flanagan had poor games, I really don't see a future for Flanagan at Liverpool fc! Allen looked really tired in 2nd half, shelvy n sturridge linked up well in 1st half


Yes. Thought Robinson did well today.
GoLadz


I agree with the poster who say's he see's no future for Flanagan at Anfield!


Squad options at best. There won't be any room for them when we're back in the CL. The quality will have to go up.


Think about. Flannegan plays like any over eager 19 year old. I think he plays great when he starts a match but when he comes on, he is so eager he makes rash decisions. Would love to see him get premiership loan. Newcastle would have been ideal before they got the French guy. Liver bird.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 19:00:40
Ok not the best performance, but the fact is we are through, especially considering that anything can happen in this competition, we have avoided what would have been a very embarrassing result, on a pitch that was the definition of a joke. Great to see Sturridge score on his debut, I admit I had my reservations about us signing him but fair play to him he played well today, hoepfully he can form a formidable partnership with Suarez.

Just a point on the second goal, so what if he used his hand? he scored a perfectly legitimate goal against the Toffees and it wasn't given and somee of you expect what of him? To tell the official who were happy for the goal to stand to not give it? Honestly. Hopefully we can get a good cup run going, especially with drawing Oldham in the next round.

Who's knows? If the Mansfield owner can pull a bird like that then anything is possible!

Keeping the Faith,

MikeyRed92


I have no problems with Suarez and the handball as he was just doing his job and playing to the whistle, but that doesn't make the poor officiating any less problematic. Really poor by the linesman and ref today.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:59:53
Ahoy - and well done today for avoiding the potential Banana Skin at Mansfield.

Here are a few facts around progress:

We are in the 4th round of the FA Cup having won our 3rd round tie, resting approx 9 starters from our next league game line up - with a thin squad = PROGRESS.

We comfortably beat Sunderland during the week to move up in the Premier League = PROGRESS

We signed a proven Premier League International striker in the first week of the window, who scores on his debut = PROGRESS

We have shipped out a highly paid squad player, and whilst not a perfect deal the club is saving money = PROGRESS.

Roast Beef for tea (mustard not horse raddish) = Progress

BOILED ONIONS {Ed002's Note - Tracklements I hope.}


Ahoy Ed002 - sadly not but I have fond memories of Tracklements Green Pepper range - treats.

BOILED ONIONS {Ed002's Note - It is fine if taken orally.}


Nah, horse raddish is better than mustard
robbie


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:56:31
This foot off attitude been prelevent all season! FFs Reds a1, 2 or even 3 goal lead doesn't mean game over! Sturridge did well but should've had hat trick.Shelvey extremely profligate.We do it far too often, Stoke, West Ham.Every side will have a spell if you let them! got to finish games when so obviously on top! did hard part early goal ! Anyway I'm off to cool down with Mansfield co owner in shower.Knowing my luck lid get the bloke!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:55:10
Question for Ed 002. You've said before that you don't get paid for doing this. So what is your day job, and how do you manage to get so much info on everything if you are already busy? Nothing sinister, just curious.

ML {Ed002's Note - I am a rodeo clown and part-time gentleman adventurer.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:55:00
Marseille and Valencia have rejected taking on free agent Ricardo Quaresma, they both claim his 45k a week wage budget is too much for them, liverpool have stayed silent on speculation, however if Ince signs as seems likely for 5 million i can't see us needing another winger {Ed002's Note - There is a reason Liverpool has stayed silent.}


Are we In for quaresma ed?
Thanks. {Ed002's Note - Quaresma has struggled somewhat since leaving Porto where much was expected of him when he was younger. Since leaving Porto he has been much lower profile and has had a number of clubs but not really settled. As he has had his contract with Besiktas cancelled he is a free agent and will probably be heading back to the Iberian peninsula - I will take a shot at saying with Porto but there is interest from Valencia as well, but not at the wages being quoted.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:54:14
Its been 3years but maybe now our lucks changed :)


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:53:57
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

The fans freaking out because we scrapped a win against a very very hungry non league side with largely our B side on a god awful pitch.

Its so halarious.

The only thing I think BR has really got wrong this year is calling us the most educated and best fans in the World.

He should take a look at this lot.

You gotta love it.

Anyway, while you're crying your eyes out, I'll be looking forward to the battle against Man Utd.

First team players back, Sturridge and Suarez on the pitch together. Should be a cracker.

Come on the boys!!!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:46:08
Not a great performance but hey we're through to next round, some people on here ain't happy unless they're unhappy.. Don't think Lucas should start next week by the way, he seemed to give the ball away every time he got it!
JJ


Dont really think lucas is a good as people make out, not getting on his back just think he gives the ball away alot and people get through him too easy


Give Lucas time, he's only just come back from a serious injury or didn't you realise that! Rookie mistake by a rookie fan who doesn't know much about football or injuries


If you knew anything about football you'd see he was awful today, nobody said he was finished!
JJ


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:39:58
Can't believe people are complaining.

We won the game. Isn't that all that matters? ALL of last season and a majority of this season we've lost games where we 'played well but lost'. Well today we did the opposite. It's not a coincidence that we won and it wasn't luck. They did play well and had some good chances but I didn't feel under pressure while watching it at home.

I for one am sick of talking about how we didn't deserve to lose, so today I'm going to just be happy that although we didn't play well, WE WON THE GAME.

Looking forward to the next round (Oldham I think?) and am chuffed with Sturridge getting a debut goal! Perhaps another one against the next week!? As well as a few goals for Suarez of course.

Hope you all had a good weekend.
Thanks, Ell.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:37:29
Regardless of the quality of the opposition this is the FA cup - and this was a final for Mansfield. Was a tough game, they had a game plan and executed it well (especially 2nd half) - the conditions were tough and we were lucky with our 2nd goal (though it was never deliberate handball) and a win is a win. The moaning on here is pathetic, we don't have a god given right to dominate every game and we certainly won't smash every team we play, sometimes you have to grind the results out - we did that.

Robinson looked really classy and is surely close to regular first team games for the club. Midfield was inconsistent, Shelvey had a great first half but faded badly, Lucas was solid but unsupported at times and Allen, sadly, was poor again - his run of bad form is very worrying, when will he start to play well? Forwards both scored so obviously did well and Downing was excellent again. Coates looks unsure of himself at the back an did not cover himself with glory but this is the nature of cup games, anything can happen and small teams can really test big teams and apply pressure. Most importantly we are into the 2nd round - with some of the moaning on here you'd think we lost by 5 goals - get a grip.

SMc


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:36:46
Sorry, I normally resist posting comments, but tonight will make 2 posts from me, the first was unsigned.

That was the FA cup, at its most classic. Anyone who thinks we were poor is severely disrespecting the opposition and the whole ethos of the competition.

Anyone who thinks that Suarez deliberately handballed for the goal is deluded. It was clear from the way he kicked the ball in the net that he knew it had hit his hand, and he fully expected the handball to be given. Unlucky for Mansfield, true.

Sturridge was excellent and when fully fit will bang in the goals ala the ones he didn't convert tonight.

Looking forward to the second half of the season.

Hamster.

The "new look" team is still finding its feet.


The only one fooling themselves is you


Yeah, you're obviously far more educated on this subject than me, given all your intelligent insights in your response.

Time will tell, and you will remain a guru in your own mind. Well done.

Hamster.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:22:41
Well that was truly pathetic, outplayed by a non league team is just not good enough. Mansfield tore us to shreds in the second half, what happened to our passing game?? OK it wasn't our first team but for gods sake they are non league, I can't even take any joy from the fact that we're through with what was truthfully one of the most inept performances I've EVER seen from any Liverpool team and I've seen some truly awful Liverpool sides in my time. I'm not fearing too much for the future because I'm pretty certain that this squad will change but for now it's a matter of pride; everyone I know is a Man Utd fan and I'm really hoping non of them were watching this. I could go on all night slating players but I'll just say this, when was the last time that you could say that NON of our players deserve any credit? Everything will be OK I know it will, I'm just very frustrated after watching that. Thankfully this will be forgotten about pretty quickly.


Sturridgee and Jones both played well. Downing and Robinson were decent. Aside from that though, not much to write home about.


JC was awesome and kept us in the game.
Allen Henderson CGFTS £36M


Behave yourself!


IT just shows that when the great one is not in the side pulling the strings we ere dire.

And the great one is constantly slated on here and everyone knows his replacement

Wakey, wakey, were still a one man team


The result is most important in these ties. The pitch was awful and we put out a reserve side.
Our key players should be well rested for the united game,
G


It's the FA Cup 3rd round, the magic of the FA Cup so calm down, who's through to the 4th round..... Oh yes that would be us! It doesn't matter how you win, the main thing is that we won the game! We were always going to struggle on that pitch, especially 2nd half coz they had nothing to lose were we did! If you didn't expect Mansfield to have a go at us then your deluded..... Just Like to say that Mansfield played well 2nd half n gave us a great game of FA Cup 3rd round of football n all best to them for rest of the season.....great to see sturridge score his 1st goal for us so congrats to him n hope there is a lot more to come..... Peace out everyone


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:20:49
Job done really. Rested a few players, no replay. A goal for both strikers one on debut. Not a great performance but its about time Suarez had a bit of luck.

Also well played Mansfield.

Mighty reds


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:17:44
Well, lets put this one behind us. Worst performance of the season, and there have been a few barn burners. Nice goal by Sturridge, the rest was utter garbage. Coates, Flanagan, Suso, Allen, Lucas were horrible. Yes, they are young but at least show some energy!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:17:41
Allen had another shocker today, he spends far too much time on the ball and gets dis possessed because of it and the amount of times he backs out of challenges is shocking! I honestly think I could play there playing 5 yard push passes for 90 mins

JOZLFC


Lucas was dreadful, it was like playing with 10 against 12 with him, he just constantly passed the ball to them!
JJ


I do think it should be pretty clear that the combination of Allen and Lucas playing the 2 in a 4-2-3-1 doesn't work real well and should be avoided in the future. The few times we've tried this it's been awful for both players.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:17:39
My god you supposed fans don't half winge, okay maybe the performance did confirm what we already know ( we are a bit light in quality depth ) but god it's a win just support the bloody team ! YMWA


Moaning doesn't mean that we don't support the team does it? Everyone has a right to moan after watching that garbage.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:16:49
Some of you moaning tarts need a reality check.

The team won.

That's obviously not enough for you Fifa pounding girls.

Anyone want a history of cup upsets?

Big teams being dominated by smaller opposition?

Well, get used to it as it's all tradition to some of us who have enjoyed the game for years.

Sort it out.

That performance will have no reflection whatsoever on the Utd game.

DaveyBootle


Are you taking the piss? It's a matter of personal pride. No-one and I mean NO-ONE wants their team to have that level of performance happen and there are NO excuses for that second half. Don't give me the 'romance of the cup' crap and history of upsets. Its one thing when a smaller club really has a go but its something else when your side produces THAT.


Think you're missing the point of this site mate.


Just read your other post about crap pitches etc. Couldn't agree more. This is what the FA Cup is all about! Big teams getting knocked out by small teams. Some people on here are really doing my head in lately. Can't people just be happy with not playing well and getting through to the next round? Personally I try to look at the plus points, like Robbo and Wisdom, who deffo have a future, and DS, who will score loads for us if Brendan can get him to settle. Davedee


Daveybootle, you need to get a reality check, yes we won, however that was an absolute shocking performance, I have never seen such a negative LFC side in the last 40 years, 7 back passes to our goalkeeper in the 1st 90 secs.

The ONLY positive to come out of the game was the performance of Sturrige.end of

alan50 {Ed002's Note - One the plys side you are not whining about the owners anymore.}


I think 50% of the posters on this site should change their names to WHINER


Puzzled


Ed002's Let see if we have these owners in say 3 years time, and if so let's wait and see what position our club is in then, but for me they will NOT take us to the next level, and by that I mean challenging consistently for the premiership and qualifying for the CL

alan50 {Ed002's Note - Nobody wants "fans" like they have. The abuse and the threats will drive them away eventually. So how the fans feel about institutional owners, which may well ahppen with a floatation. You will really have something to grizzle about.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:14:53
I reckon pepe reina is off, i mean why not play him, unless you don't want him cup tied, you could say just to rest him, but think about it, linked with butland, can't see him staying personally ! :(


Ridiculous. Jones deserved a run out against Mansfield and did well today. People are crazy with this FA cup tie thing. It will matter not for transfers.


So is Gerrard and Agger off too?, as they weren't on the bench either.

FowlerGod.


Reina is rested for a majority of cup games and Jones plays.
Scouse_Pride


Ridiculous. Jones deserved a run out against Mansfield and did well today. People are crazy with this FA cup tie thing. It will matter not for transfers.


That must mean Gerrard and Agger going too... wow I didnt even think..... #smiles n winks


Sahin is off though.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:14:53
However way we win, a win is a win! So pleased for Sturridge to score on his debut! Can't ask for more! Jones was outstanding in goal, Downing my MOTM - ran his socks off defending and attacking. So what if it is a handball? We are due for some good fortune, and will take it anyway!

Singred


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:11:27
Not a rumour but more an observation from today's game. Joe Allen for me has to be one of the worst signings made15 m for someone who gets muscled off the ball by non league players. We need world class if we are to challenge he is miles away from that. Henderson over Allen everyday eds a quick question? Is David villa still at Liverpool airport? {Ed002's Note - He is. It is a permanent job he has taken there.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:10:25
So glad we signed Sturridge, Scored a great goal with a great run. Looked good on the ball and fast. After more game time hopefully he will become sharper in front of goal.

Bring on the manks on sunday.

TheDARkNight


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:09:33
I found myself hoping for another Mansfield goal at the end of that. They deserved a replay.

Frankly, if I were BR and the management team, I would offer it to them (if that's allowable) as the 2nd goal was disgraceful.


Can't believe you said that! Don't care you've got to want Lfc to win.awful comment


Lucky your not involved in Liverpool FC apart from supporting them... I think

Alsky


OP here. Of course I want us to win. But not like that. I'm honest enough to admit Mansfield deserved a replay and I would love to see us thrash them good and proper at Anfield.

Put it this way, if that had been them scoring a winner on a very, very obvious handball how annoyed would you be? I'd be absolutely furious. At the very least, this should end all talk of LFC supporters complaining that we never get any decisions in our favor.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:08:56
Maybe the goal shouldn't have stood but I really don't think there was the intent that has been suggested.
The display was below par but so was the starting line up and the pitch. You're always going to get that sort of pressure in the FA cup from a small club, that's what it's all about.
I'm not suggesting that all is well with us but I really wouldn't be using anything that happened in today's game as a yardstick.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:07:13
We got the win scrappy or not.
Winners win any way shape or form
look at utd.
Get off the teams back. we won the game for god sake.
Its embarassing that we complain about everything, we have undoubtebly gone from the best fans in the world to almost the worst.
We need to stick together and show the team who ever is in it we are behind them.

TheDARkNight


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:05:20
We won and are through, who cares about how we did it.

Well done to Mansfield, would have been happy for them to get a draw so they could come to us.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:04:46
Good result.

And by that I mean we WON the game and are in the next round. The downside would have been "humongous" so a potential banana skin avoided.

Full credit to Mansfield, who really made a game of it.

I hope the Suarez incident isn't blown out of proportion, but of course it will be!

At no point did his arm move *towards* the ball, if anything, it moved back after the ball struck him. It's not Suarez' job to officiate the game. That could happen 1000 times with 1000 different players and probably only one would admit to a handball. What would RVP, Rooney or Bale have done?

Taken the goal.

Pleased with Sturridge, scored 1, could've had 3 should've had 2 but I was most pleased that he was moving the ball on (most of the time) and not holding on to it too long. Movement and pace good as well.

Bring on United!

Matt S - YNWA


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:03:47
Guillem Balague just said on a website that arsenal and liverpool have shown interest in David villa but will not move in january!

TA


The talk is in london is he wants his wife to give birth in spain!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:03:45
Not a very good performance today by the young team. Very weak in most areas. Must try harder next time they get an opportunity. Well done Downing and Sturridge on the day, Lucas looking a bit fitter is positive, Mansfield deserved more, they were robbed by poor reffing but thankfully we won! Support come what may! Ajmadd


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:02:55
Don't think we won a header all game and our MOM was Brad Jones. Our midfield shockingly lightweight and nowhere to be seen. Don't give a hoot about the state of the pitch it's an excuse for what was an abject performance and lack of effort against a pub team whose centre forward we made look like a world beater!

Paul B


We.........won........the......GAME!!!!

How hard is that lad?

DaveyBootle


DaveyBootle you're analysis..they shud get you on ESPN.
It's not just about winning the game, mansfield were 14/1, of course we shud win we're 93 places above them!
But it's typical liverpool, 2 good 3-0 results against q.p.r and sunderland, then we come here today, shud put the game to bed before half time (but don't) and then go out into the second half and play football that, if it was against any premiership or championship opposition, we wudda been ripped to shreads!
We needed to bring on one of the worlds best players, and use a hand to win the game against players who probably all spend their weekends in the pub whereas ours are meant to be top quality dedicated stars.. we had 7 international players out there for god's sake, not that much of a weakened squad!

Jak


Haha Davey somebody disagreed with a blatant fact. This had to have been done by a troll or somebody with the mental capabilities as a goldfish


Maybe it was your mother


The only thing I agree with is that Davey Boy must be on the staff because if he was just happy that WE WON THE GAME, played non existent football and showed non existent balls in the second half against a pub team, it shows how easily pleased he is! Personally I wanna see football from a red shirt and Mansfield should have had their arses smacked and been put to bed......how hard is that lad?

Paul B


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:02:07
today shows how much we need a few more additions a non league side us made us wobble ! What is that all about has the mighty reds aura gone! The chairman stated that in January actions will speak louder than words ?! Really one in one out and buy some one back who I don't think is worth the money they are talking about! Luis will do a Torres in a year or so unless we get quality I know it's money etc but it's the only way we will get to the top, so c'mon owners actions speak louder than words! spend you're dollars please! Thoughts and replies please


Get over it...it was a classic cup game where any premier league side would've been given a tough time...Credit to mansfield they played to their strengths.

Positive is Sturidge looked lively.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:01:48
Second half was difficult to watch today. Allen and Lucas completely outplayed by Mansfield. Coates looking really shakey too. Not our best 11 but really looked like a capitulation in second half. I almost got stomach sick when Suarez handed the ball into the net. Even he couldn't believe the ref didn't call it


 

 

06 Jan 2013 18:00:05
Well, If I was BR, I'd be using a video of that game, at the training ground to give a few people a massive kick up the arse. Yes it was the FA cup, and a poor pitch, but that was a very poor performance. No way should a team from the Blue Square league be causing that many problems!

El Diablo!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:59:53
Well, there you go, another classic cup game.

That's what it's all about.

Crap pitches.

Hard tackles.

High tempo.

Well played Mansfield, you did yourselves proud out there, and well done the staff for watering the pitch pre-kick-off!

I'm gutted I never went now.

Onwards we go.

DaveyBootle


We water the pitch for every game.

And before you say it, it's for exactly the same reason as Mansfield did it.

That is, to facilitate the kind of football we wish to play.

Who are we to decide which is the right way for another club to approach the game?


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:59:51
A scrappy win, but a win all the same.

Well done to Sturridge, and good performances by Robinson & Jones.

I'm usually a fan of Allen, but he had a shocker...as did Coates. Not too sure what age Flanagan is, but he's miles behind Kelly & Wisdom.

-Shane. {Ed052's Note - All of the players were poor apart from Downing and Jones. Its the FA Cup, and all the fun of one. We are through. What matters!?}


Well said ed052...classic FA Cup game which shouldn't be analysed to critic players for the rest of the season.


Ed downing are serious?? {Ed052's Note - he was good}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:59:26
People just ghave it in fir suarez he expected the whistle to go you seen his reaction. And i don't think it was intentional


It was completely intentional and should have been called back and Suarez given a yellow. Very poor officiating and if that happened against us I'd have thrown my shoe through the TV.


Havta agree, everyone shud imagine how they would feel if the same thing happened to RVP against us next week.. I'm dissappointed that thats what it took for us to win the game

Jak


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:53:57
So that is progress.
What a pathetic performance.
Coates, must go!.
Handball goal by LS, such great sportmanship.

If BR is pleased with that, then he is a bigger person than one could ever have imagined.


Winning at any cost is not success

Rodgers bluffing is becoming a bore fest.

Last season we had a manager with class and charisma whose team played some great football in patches what a pity he was not allowed continue the job

I hope BR goes


We won simpleton.

DaveyBootle


1. not one player played well today except Jones.

2. Suarez was ball to hand in my opinion, but still not should have stood.

3. If we defend like that at Old Trafford we've had it!


A win is a win. Sportsmanship is no longer a factor in football, Suarez took a chance and it paid off. It should have been a replay but at the end of the day we won. The performance was erratic but that was mainly due to the pitch causing problems to our players. We are through to the next round so enjoy the result.
Scouse_Pride


Of course lad because any other premiership footballer would have stopped play and said they handled the ball wouldn't they? don't bother troubling these message boards with your bile, what you spew out of your noise hole is worthless.

SMc


Actually Di Canio did just that.


The Di Canio situation is competely different; keeper down with head injury.
Referee should have stopped play, Di Canio knew this, and did stop. (Take nothing away from him; excellent sportsmanship).
But Suarez's was a situation where the linesman/referee should have disallowed the goal.
He had every right to slot it and then see what happens; that's exactly what he SHOULD have done.
If he's then penalised, as he should have been, no issue.
But, if the referee is stupid enough to not give a foul, should Suarez also be stupid and miss/stop play?
C'mon, really?
What would 99.9% of other players done?


06 Jan 2013 21:12:43
Actually you wrong Di canio stopped playing coz of an injured player, he wasn't near the six yard box and it was not coz it was a hand ball. Get over it we through, that's what cup games are all about winning and progressing to the next round. Leem


Di Canio caught the ball to stop play due to an injured keeper. Not quite the same at all. Great sportmanship from him however not the same thing at all.

Andy K


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:50:50
Joe Allen we bought you to hold possession, not lose it.


In a fast tempo game with a pitch like that? Behave.

DaveyBootle


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:44:34
The Guru (BR)

His team plays awful football

We won today by mansfield not getting two penalties they deserved and by You know who getting a hand of God goal

Pitiful display

If this is the future its a bleedin nightmare Rodney!

Donny Darco


06 Jan 2013 18:05:51
You are welcome to go and support another team !

LondonRed


There is a real attitude issue with Liverpool. It must come from Rogers. If they had truly applied themselves and went for it in the first half they would be out of sight. Too many players with no bottle for the fight. Pass it to a colleague to take responsibility. Not get myself into a position where i can deliver a telling ball that puts my colleague in a position to attack. Downing does not attack space. He has no bottle and this was shown by how their right back took him on. He is the classic lazy gutless over hyped player. Arrogance set in after the first goal and they should have had a draw. Passing for passings sake. Shelvey is being praised but since Rodgers told him he was the man his performances have been poor- looks unfit, can't or won't track back, first touch awful. Henderson is the form player in midfield


To the OP, I believe your attitude has taken the persona of your sign off. Get off the downers before you start seeing 6ft rabbits walking around.
EMAN34


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:40:29
I really wish Suarez hadn't claimed the goal. Would have done his rep with the refs a world of good for the coming games! Even if it meant a draw and replay!


Who gives a toss? it still doesnt make up for the umpteen penalties we should have got over the last few months. what goes around comes around..


Sorry forgot to sign it...

I posted that just before Mansfield scored!

Doha Red


Couldn't give a stuff.
The ball ricocheted onto his hand and he could not get it out of the way in time.
After that, if you watch the way he kicks the ball into the net you could see he was waiting for the linesman to flag and the ref to blow for it not to be given (similar to the way the ball is booted away after a freekick is awarded).
It is purely the officials fault the goal stands.
If any LFC fans want to complain about it, put the moment into a different context........last minute of a cup final and the scores are level. The goal is scored in exactly the same way.......are you now moaning or celebrating???....I thought so!!


He didn't 'claim' it, he kicked the ball in as if expecting it to be disallowed. it wasn't. do you honestly expect Suarez to apprach the ref and remonstrate with him to try and convince him to overrule the awarding of a goal? personic

SMc


Do anything to win at any time.
Winners win. Loosers Loose.
No wonder we are 8th with fans like you.

TheDARkNight


He moved his hand to the ball and it was completely intentional on his part. Shows good reflexes on his part and I don't blame the player for it, but the goal should have never, ever stood.


06 Jan 2013 18:42:33
It's a reaction!
Henry did it in a world cup qualifier against ROI. But he didn't get half the nonsense Suarez will.

Lyndon


To TheDARkNight...I wasn't complaining, mate, just having a bit of fun (see exclamation marks!).

I don't think it was intentional either, and we deserve lots more luck like it, just don't want to see Luis NOT getting a call in one of the more important games coming up.

Peace!

Doha Red


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:33:35
sturridge scored a goal but how many more could he had!he aint a a goalscorer he will score but he going to be prolific?i can't see it!and shelvey big doubts about and allen!


Scoring in every game makes you prolific. At the moment he is 1 in 1. Cant get better than 100% scoring rate you clown


Stop wingeing and support the lads,


He hasn't played for two months and with a pitch like this against a team who regard this as a cup final, i think he's done fine


Dont judge sturridge after one performance.
persons like you are the reason it took Downing and Henderson so long to gain confidence.


Aganist mansfield mate long way to go clown!is he a ian rush??no so belt up


Wow you clearly are a moron.
He scored a goal in his debut performance and the goal he scored was brilliantly taken.

Sharp up you off cornflake

TheDARkNight


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:31:54
Bit naughty from Suarez but hey we love him lol but we would have moaned if it was Sturbridge saying he has no class the arrogant sod it's only Mansfield why cheat ;-) but plenty has gone against us this season so sod it

Mike S


Exactly, we're due a bit of luck from the officials ffs..

Well played Mansfield though, would have been great to play them at Anfield, not a rugby pitch..


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:29:59
Dont belive that wad hand ball intentionally, yes hand ball but how he know ball was coming back off keeper. Just luck and we finally got some!


Look at it from behind the goal as was shown on tv

It was clearly intentional


To last poster, yeh, shown on TV at super slo-mo from numerous angles?
Suarez had a fraction of a second to react and the referee/linesman the same time, to decide if it was handball from angles a lot worse than TV cameras.
Shouldn't have stood, but it did.
Why moan?


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:26:38
Well Crouchy did it but them didn't do him anything. Lets Move on please.


In reply to "Wicca"--- I am astounded.

You are truly prophetic.

The linesman who wrongly called Suarez's 3rd goal vs Everton offside was none other than the one who failed to flag for the handball tonight.

Karma repaid Suarez a goal [FR]


Karma will punish suarez and he will end badly

He will receive 3 times more bad than he has given

Its a universal law

Wicca


Wicca - He will receive or has and does?

Andy K


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:24:57
Don't think Jon champion likes Suarez much, always has lots to say about Suarez in his commentary.


Maybe Chanpion is right?

Have you considered the possibility?


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:24:31
Don't want to moan for moanings sake but we have to bring on Suarez to beat Mansfield? Our squad players should be ashamed of themselves. They took us apart at the start of this second half, for anyone who tries to justify it I'll spell it out; they are NON LEAGUE.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:22:55
It's nice to see that ESPN's commentators are neutral and explicitly call Suarez a cheat. "Accidents seem to happen" with Suarez. Well played ESPN. That said, it was a handball but I don't think it's as intended as they'd want you to believe.

ChrisMiz


So much for unbiased commentary, what an person..
Jamie


Unbelievably rubbish commentary...

It's like, they'd love nothing more than a Liverpool loss - truly despicable!


Just emailed my complaint to them! Espn {Ed002's Note - That'll give them something to laugh about in the morning.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:19:31
Typical FA cup 3rd round match away to lower league team. Mansfield treating game like cup final as they should, putting Liverpool under pressure. Liverpool digging in defending 1-0 lead. Some fans expect Liverpool to utterly dominate every game they play in. This will never be the case for any team. Support the team regardless. YNWA


Bang on.

DaveyBootle


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:17:10
Omg are some of you 10? We're playing a team who have nothing to lose on a pitch not suitable for training? The team we have out hardly play together, new signing, yet some of you r having a go at only being 1-0 up.
Pathetic
How hard to say, our young team linking up well, shelvey nice vision for passes, Sturidge took his goal well. Young lads doing well.

Lifelongred


Totaly agree. 3rd Fa cup is always the same, lower league/non league teams going all out to get through.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:16:07
I was hoping this cup tie would give Allen a chance to shine and gain some confidence but unfortunately I imagine he will be very disappointed in his own performance.


Loan allen to mansfield it looks like his level


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:11:58
Anyone else think that Brad Jones looks like the Sherminator out of American Pie? Lol.

Crowman.


LOL Flanno looks like Muniain....
( my man crush : )
Jamie


06 Jan 2013 17:59:02
Yes! :)
Something to do with his mouth possibly?
WelshBoyDave


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:10:06
Are we really getting outplayed and sitting back on a conference side???


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:07:26
I genuinly think our over reliance on suarez isnt because the team isnt good enough, its because of the types of players, they arent really game changers. Pepe reina with that crucial save, torres with that crucial goal alonso with that crucial pass, mascherano or carragher with that crucial tackle. I am not living in the past, i just think that we need to look at more key figures to add to the team. So-

1. Another striker (damiao or llorent.e)
2. A number 10 (erkisen, isco or kev PB)
3.Another midfielder, adaptable but can score goals and is a beastly defender like de rossi (maybe benat)
44. A reliable centre back (steven caulker)
5.flog downing and get another creative winger (ince or tello)
6. Send a few more people on loan like henderson and coates to build experience

If we did all these things and got the money from somewhere we might even get a title challenge
Anonymous woolback


Oh and i forgot to mention a replacement for reina in the form of leno, ter stegn, mignolet, begovic, butland, alex mccarthy of reading to name but a few.
Anonymous woolback


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:07:17
Listen to you all we have a player whos looked sharp got into great positions with suarez itl be amazing. We get a guy scoring and playing good on debut and all you say is ohh its part timers. you can only play whars in front of you and these games on these bad pitches there all effort so it aint the easiest. And its not the no.1 team. Hes looked good very good compared to what we have put it this way hes "an improvement"


 

 

06 Jan 2013 17:01:26
Good game for Sturridge. Great pace which we desperately needed. For the first time in a decade we have speedy wingers.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:57:09
Jack Robinson has a silky touch, good movement and looks every inch the Liverpool player - can't be long until he is getting more games for the first team in league games surely?

SMc

p.s. am aware this is only against Mansfield but never the less he looks good and has done when he's played previously as well


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:53:07
Would love to see Gameiro and Ince come in this window. I hope we won't have to put Gameiro on the list of players we miss out on. I do not believe that we will need to sign a new midfielder even if Sahin leaves. People seem to forget the youth we have coming in, if we keep on looking for quick fixes these players will grow restless and eventually leave. I have faith in BR and he seems to be heading in the right direction. the variability we would have in attack with Saurez, Sterling, Sturridge, Ince and Gameiro would be formidable.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:52:48
Been watching Liverpool all season, yes, I am a fan...but am I missing something about Suso? He is showing some promise but I don't understand the massive hype...someone explain, genuine question I am yet to be convinced.


He's a teenage midfielder. What exactly are you expecting?


He started off this season much, much better than this. He really has tailed off quite a bit.


He had some good touches and passes but was over powered. he probably isn't used to playing on pitches like that but i think, more importantly, he is only 19 years old - he will have off games, calm down.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:52:26
Ha, bet there will be a serious shortage of Daniel Sturridge haters about tonight!

Hang your heads in shame, you know who you are!

Tsk Tsk.

WelshBoyDave


06 Jan 2013 17:19:16
Need's more game's, better performances & goals before I am convinced..


don't get excited over one game (dont care who the opposition is), If you don't want the haters ( as you call them) to came out, then don't post nonesense like this, because he may not produce anything in the next 5 to 6 games ...
Its mostly people like you who get excited about a player after one game, then be the first to call this same player dead wood useless and everything else if they did n't produce for a while ...Been here long enough and seen people posting that Joe Cole and Andy Carroll are the best thing since Ian Rush and its these same posters that are calling them all sorts for the last few months.

Roy


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:51:31
Ed002. I have seen you state on several occasions FSG have sunk £600m into the club. Can you please break this figure down so those of us who "don't understand" can understand where the additional £400m since buying the club for less than £200m has gone?

I fail to believe they have subsidised the club to the tune of £200m a year since taking over.

I can understand why you believe in what they're doing but don't understand where you are getting these figures from as the only set of accounts released by FSG do not reflect your claims.

Liverpool Cabbie.

{Ed002's Note - Given it is untrue, I have said that at all and clearly you have misunderstood one or more things. Perhaps you are confusing US Dollars and GB Pounds - you could easily search for "600M" (tip: exlude the quote marks and the currency symbol, so just 600M) which might help you find where your misunderstanding has come from.

I also have no idea where you come up with the club being purchased for "less than £200M" comes from. That, again, is along way from being correct.

The owners have right now about £475M tied up in the business which is pretty much in line with the valuation given in the summer for a return on a 100% sale by floatation on the best available market.}


The figure of less than £200m was included in the paper submitted to the courts in relation to hicks and gillets failed legal battle. It's a figure both parties and the judge agreed too.

Again your not braking down the figure. It's hard to win against someone who refuses to post replies they don't like and simply make up figures plucked from the sky. {Ed002's Note - That relates to the money owed solely to RBS - not what the club was sold for. The club was sold for a little over £300M plus legal fees the new owners paid. It is pointless trying to explain to someone who has near zero grasp of matters at all.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:50:20
Hope there's a bo**ocking coming at half time. {Ed002's Note - I understand it will be tea and oranges. You probably need to be playing in the Lebanon to get a bo**ocking at half time.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:47:51
I am Jamie carragher's biggest fan an I really appreciate everything he has done for Liverpool FC. However Rodgers offering him a new contract is a mere publicity stunt, carragher's performance level is unfortunately not good enough for Liverpool and he has hinted it himself. I think keeping Jamie on as a coach or ambassador is a great idea. Rodgers in my opinion is trying to gain favour with the fans by offering him a new contract when clearly he is finished as a player!


Carragher is not good enough anymore end of story. it's not disrepectful it's an opinion.


Talking rubbish lad. He has been best player on park today and when he does play is always commited. When were these games he was so bad in. You cannot buy his experience. Perfect to bring players in.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:47:35
We've been very sloppy, only 1-0 up against Mansfield is a bit embarrassing.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:46:24
Pass the ball quicker it like slow motion football how poor is suso should be know were near the first team bring sterling on


Not an excuse but the pitch is terrible


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:39:15
What's going on with our passing? Never seen so many over hit passes.


Have you seen the pitch?

Mike S


Have you seen the state of the pitch?


Have you seen the pitch it's in a crap state


They are probably putting more pace into the pass because of the state of the pitch....


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:23:06
Whats wrong with Shelvey? he's already having a mare.


What are you watching? He has played some of the best passes in the game, like the one for the goal. The field is awful you can see that, so the passing will be rough at times but Shelvey is playing well.

Red Rat


Hes been better than he has in last couple of matches


The question is whats wong with your support, really what is your problem.

always a red


Played wonderful id play shelvey behimd suarez and sturridge at mam u


Thought Shelvey has looked good, some good runs and strong in the tackle.


Shelvey thinks hes made it attitude is getting on my tits if i was rodgers id put him back in the reserves the lazy tosser.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:17:40
I know it's only Mansfield but we can be assured that Rodgers bought Daniel for exactly that reason, to go one on one with the keeper after getting beyond the last defender by using pace and then slotting it in the chance that comes to him.

Wisdom is brave as anything, did anyone see who he was lipping at after he gave that freekick away? JC! Wow....


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:16:33
BANG!

Within 7 minutes, Sturridge puts the ball in the net. It doesn't matter who you're playing, he just showed he can do his job with a one touch finish. Fantastic. A load of pressure off his back with one strike.

-Shane.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:16:33
Hope that shuts up the Sturridge and Rodgers Critics!

Ernie


I am not one of their critics...but it is a non-league team mate, lets not get carried away


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:12:48
Oh no!!

Sturridge has brought 'that dance' with him to Liverpool

IncaMan


But by god he has pace. Passing already questionable.

Muzzred


At least it is better than the one he did against us earlier lol.
Pomme1


Some one should tell Sturridge that he only scored against part timer's & he should be a little more humble, his fee is more than the team & ground he's playing against is worth, untill he scores against utd, city, chelski, he should stop being such a person..


^^^^^^ so he can't be pleased scoring on his debut for LFC?? If he hadn't celebrated everyone on here would be calling him arrogant jeez

Mike S


Danny's just happy to score for us on his debut, give the lad a break, you'll be eating your words in a few weeks, oh no you wont! because you've not signed you're post, what a suprise, its you that needs to stop being such a person..

STEEVO

RED4LIFE


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:12:29
the 1st 6 mins downing has shot with his right foot and tried crosses and hit mansfield players both times, god help us if it was a better team


You said it yourself........6 mins, give him a chance....
sooty


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:06:48
Sturridge 3/4 to score at any point today. That's my bet sorted.

Liverpool Cabbie.


7/2 for first goal. Job done. ;-)

The Irish Rover


Even in the club later?


 

 

06 Jan 2013 16:05:51
Coates will be man of the match


So playing a non league side you think we'll be under so much pressure that our defender will get motm.


If he is man of the match then Liverpool are in trouble. Unless youre expecting him to score a hat trick.

The Irish Rover


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:57:02
random question lads but does anyone know why our keepers never walk out behind the captain like everyone elses? I assumed it was a reina superstition thing but jones doesnt either?


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:48:05
good luck boys!
hope robinson stakes a good claim as usual for back up left back spot!

RobInRed


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:38:07
so they show the squad for the FA Cup tie and Nuri sahin isn't even on the bench. What is happening with this guy? is he still injured or does this mean he is definitely off?


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:36:18
eds why is sahin not in the Liverpool squad for the game against mansfield?he was in the squad against Sunderland has he picked up an injury since then or are the rumours about his loan being cancelled true
thanks {Ed002's Note - You are looking for hidden messages where there aren't any? Suarez seen deplaning in Turin last night? Pepe seen in Swansea carrying Arsene Wenger's briefcase? Johnson still super-glued to car door handle? Agger still super-glued to Johnson?}


Why is arsene wengers briefcase in Swansea? Does this mean arsenal are trying to sign michu ahead of us? Another target missed by FSG...
Do the superglue references mean that things are stickier than we think behind the scenes?

BigBadBen


Fabio Borini still got his head stuck in his Xmas stocking.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:34:05
Another Rodgers quote of the day '"We all know that Liverpool are nowhere near where they were, but for us, it is about progressing and cup competitions allow us to do that''

Funny that, I could have sworn we reached two cup finals last year and won one...Anyone would think hes taken over a bottom 4 club the way he talks, weve spent fortunes in the last 3 years so were hardly short of a few bob either!

He needs to learn when to be quiet.


Followed by you!
Hopefully!!!

Lyndon


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:27:12
Have I missed the signing of Kevin Gameiro yesterday!?

YNWA JFT96 jns


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:19:07
Carra and Coates better get ready for some of the longest throwings you will ever see today. Even worse than 90's Wimbledon, the pitch is a nightmare too.

Wizard


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:17:05
Come on you stags 2-1


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:06:45
The next 4 league games to determine any hope of a possible C.L. Place. we need at least 7-8 points otherwise top 6 is best. Just my opinion Carl red YNWA


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:05:11
Players I would of loved to see at Liverpool and shame they never will be

Siem De Jong
Michu

Ki
Isco

Danandovski


Who does danandovski play for?


Are you wanting Michu after watching hos career from youth team football all the way through to coming to England!!'

Or Half a Season in the Premier League?

Lyndon


Isco is not coming to liverpool im sick of people saying his name, he will have offers from every top club minus maybe barc and bayern, also his release clause might be going up to 42 m euros.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:02:49
I would just like to be the first to condemn outright the outbreaks of common sense and intelligence tha have appeared on this site (almost literally) overnight!

I demand that this site be returned immediately to nameless gilfnard trolls to perpetuate their obvious desire to drag LFC into the gutter and trash the "most knowledgeable fans" reputation.

Mrpjd


06 Jan 2013 15:36:07
Haha, funny but true!
WelshBoyDave


Haha, well played sir (or ma'am as the case may be)


 

 

06 Jan 2013 15:00:16
Forget cavani lorente etc,,,
Liverpool need michu pay the money for this lad coz he
Is world class

Basy


He is good yes. But is too early to tell whether he is a top class. He and yourself maybe suffering from first season syndrome. Ala Papis Cisse last year!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 14:53:04
Anyone got any idea what channel the game is on today? If any.

Ashy


ESPN if your in the UK

JD


In British isles it is on ESPN from 15:45

Wozza


ESPN

Hans


Thanks mateys, thought it would of been on itv why it's the fa cup.

Ashy


ESPN Buddy, or just watch it on tinternet!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 14:32:47
Ed i am a bit confused with they way West Ham are spending. Skysport just announced that they have bid for martin olsson and they have been very busy, would this suggest they will not buy Carroll? {Ed002's Note - Olsson is a left back, so I am not sure how you relate this to Carroll.}


They have brought in two forwards, even though one is on loan. Im just wondering where all the money is coming from or are they in fact pulling out of the Carroll buy since he hasn't scored a lot of goals this season.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 14:30:52
This is not an opinion just a fact to clear up some of the FSG debate.

FSG cleared the bulk of Liverpools £200+m debts by acquiring the club. They did not buy the club then pump in their own money to clear debts.

Since taking over the club they have only released 1 set of accounts so these are the only hard facts we can use to assess their tenure.

The remaining £50m the club owed was still outstanding. However due to the liquidity of the club this reduced interest payments from £17m a year to £3m a year.

The figures show the club ended the financial year with loses of £49.4m. However this included the right off of £35m spent in previous years in relation to the new ground and not actually a running cost incurred by FSG.

The true running lose for the year was actually just shy of £15m. However as the accounts showed no capital introduced this lose (certainly until the point the accounts were produced) has been shouldered by the club itself not FSG.

Since the club made the £15m loss. It has signed commercial deals with Jack Wolfskin, chevloret and warrior amongst others increasing comercial revenue by approximately £30m per year. It's also slashed the wage bill by over £45m. (£30m in the first summer).

This gives the club a extra

£13m (saved on interest)
£30m (on new commercial deals)
£45m (saved on wages)

£83m a year

Oh and TV money goes up by £20m a year from next season.


Not bad for a club turning a £20m loss under G&H's final full season.

With FSG help and connections the club is now in a much stronger financial position. But the club has put itself there. FSG have not subsidised it.

Owners of football clubs rarely make a profit on a yearly bases but make enormous profits on exiting the club.

Liverpool Cabbie.


Well wrote liverpool cabbie:-)


Last year (I think) showed that we owed something like 50m for the financial year. This may have been the year before. What is it likely to be for this year (last year?)

BthekingB {Ed002's Note - About the same. Perhaps a little less.}


Ed002. I thought you would have been all over this post? You're losing your grip man.

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Folks are never going to understand that if the club was sold now then the owners may just get back what they have tied up in the business. The summer valuation for floatation was also in line with this thought.}


The only thing I might point out that wasn't mentioned above was a 30M no interest loan from FSG to LFC in the time frame mentioned. The owners could have easily just have secured normal credit from a bank but instead they used their own money to cover the losses.


I do agree ed002, but if they can get into the Champions League and re-develope Anfield with the eventual added income it will supply then Fsg could could be sitting on a small fortune. If it all goes according to plan of course.

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - I would expect any CL money would be re-invested in the squad but it would push the value of the club up a little and would increase revenue or potential revenue from commericial streams (e.g. the sponsorship from Standard Chartered is less when not in the CL). There would be a payback model for the stadium and that will filter through to the value of the club slowly over a number of years. It is not a get rich quick scheme.}


Acquisition costs of less than £200m and a £30m loan (which is just that - a loan therefore repayable) means Liverpool FC stands FSG for no more than £230m. Fact.

The club was valued on release of last accounts at £400m by Deloitte's.

By my calculations they could walk away now with £170m profit

{Ed002's Note - Your calculations are miles from correct. They have roughly £475M tied up in the business right now. The valuation done this summer placed the value in that sort of range.}


Where has the extra £235m been spent?

Please don't say players as that money has been generated by the club via player sales, commercial revenue and match day revenue. {Ed002's Note - What £235M? I have no idea what you are talking about, and from your post, neither do you.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 14:25:38
Hi Eds, Not a rumour but please post...

Reading everyone's posts and clearly everyone is deluded... Our team fell apart in the 80's after going through a rather tragic period... But Utd took over with having stuck by their youth policy, which if I remember correct, Sir Alex was close to getting sacked by the Utd board before he won his first title cos it took him years to go through the development needed... I see that we are in the exact same transitional period! A lot of our youngsters are playing international football together and played in the youth FA cup... Now their breaking into the first team together... This is something that Benitez started years ago and something that Brendan Rogers seems to have taken to another level! I'd love to see one or two more experienced players come in to settle the young guys and give them a strong head so they can see games through... This is our only problem, seeing the games out, through in-experience... Our team is looking good, your all moaning Gerrard is getting old, hes having the best season hes had for years, Shelvey and Hendo have the talent, they just have to settle and bed into Rogers game... Problem is were relying on them for goals cos we were light up front and they didnt provide, but remember their midfielders, not proven strikers... We have a fantastic squad and what we should be doing is getting behind our players like we always used to... WE ARE LFC... Our players need the support of the unconditional love we have for our club... You see the games, when we have been playing well and winning the buzz is going around Anfield like days of old...
Support our guys, cheer them on, stop complaining that we need world class... Our guys can be world class when we give them the support they need to flourish, negativity only will unsettle them... Would you like to come on these boards to see fans wishing you be replaced? or say your not good enough? Hows that to inspire them??

Anyway, I guess what I am saying is it seems a lot of fans are too quick to judge... Give the players the respect you give to King Kenny and other legends like Keegan, Aldrige, Barnes...
Our club can be great again, with all our full support, thats all that is missing!


Forgive me if I'm mistaken but prior to Uniteds golden generation of youngsters and during the period where united not adding to the squad with the likes of Keane (at the time Britians most expenses midfielder) Cantona, Rio (a £28m centre half) etc etc?

Liverpool Cabbie


So the fans who go the games week in week out don't show their support, or if you see a player who is not giving an 100% because he thinks he has made it, or just can't be bothered or is just not good enough that we should carry on supporting them hoping they will become world class, downing is an international player but will never be world class, he has shown a bit more desire and people are calling him good, what happend last year to him, oh yea he was a year younger, we love our club but players come and go, and some work harder than others, that a fact


06 Jan 2013 16:49:06
Mate you need to do a lot of research before spouting your words.

1) Firgie didn't succeed coz of given time or they stuck with youth policy. There is old saying you never win anything with kids.

2)Fergie suceeded coz a lot of money was given to him to spend same like city or chelsea are doing now maybe your to young to know that at the sametime he was already a proven manager winning lots of trophys including european trophy with Aberdeen.

Fergie was appointed. Manager at old trafford on 6 November 1986.

United already had some class players such as Norman whiteside, paul McG
McGrath, Bryan Robson etc

In the 1987-88 season he spent huge amount of money and and made some major signings including steve Bruce, viv Anderson.Brian McClair, Jim Leighton.

In 1989 brought Hughes from Barcelona

In 1989-90 Fergie again spent huge amount of money by paying large sums of money to Neil webb, Mike phelan, Paul ince, Garry Pallister and Danny Wallace

In 1992 he tried to sign Alan Shearer from southampton but lost to Blacburn Rovers. He also tried to sign striker David Hirst but failed. But signed Dion Dublin

After slow start to 1992-93 season. Looked as united would miss out on league title(now the premier league) yet again. He signed another striker from Leeds united Eric cantona

In 1993-94 fergie spent again and signed Roy keane for a british record fee.

I could go on and on in short Fergie success is coz of money rather then given time or coz of youth policy. You never win anything with kids just look at Arsenal.


I think both versions are right in that it has been a combination of youth players coming through and purchasing where needed. Both however took time to cement the team that they needed.

Andy K


 

 

06 Jan 2013 14:20:35
Kevin prince boateng fo for him turned into a class act was at portsmouth. He could be available for as little as 10m.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 14:06:06
06 Jan 2013 11:34:14
Hi Ed's, just a quick one. Alot of people keep complaining at us missing out on perhaps better quality players than the ones we actually bring in. A common explanation given to this is that we do not have CL football. When looking at the targets that Tottenham however seem to be interested and rumoured in, they are mostly considered huge prospects or world class stars, such as, holtby, moutinho, damiao & willian. Obviously they do not have CL football this season either, so I was just wondering what makes them a more attractive proposition to players, and how come they seem to be able to compete for this calibre of player? I'm aware they're above us in the league but nothing is settled yet in the season, there's a long way to go.

Cheers, J92 {Ed002's Note - Liverpool did not miss out on Holtby, Falcao, Coentrao, Hazard, etc. because of lack of CL football. They did not move to Liverpool as no interet was shown and no offers made.}
-------------------------------------------------

Fantastic ed2. Before people blame FSG its our management team who have failed first King kenny now Rodgers doing the same mistake buying average players and wasting more money. We never go for Quality players and buy lots of average players. Rodgers has spent more then 50M and that's net spend which have come from owners pockets not players sales and still we are no where near top4. Ed2 mate owners need people who can advise them as they are inexperience or else more money will be wasted.


Perhaps we need to buy more class players like Cole, Jovanovic, Aquilani, Diouf etc or should we get Sneider and pay him £200K a week for a pre-season and maybe play the las haf a dozen games for us? Get real the club needs to move forwards not backwards.

Red1


7 points isn't "no where near". Last season I'm sure we were like 10 points off at this stage which ended up being something like 19 points by the end of the year.

BthekingB


Liverpool were 5 points of a Champions League spot this time last year after 21 games.

The Irish Rover


We were right in it last year until the Arsenal loss and then the wheels fell off in the league.

Andy K


 

 

06 Jan 2013 14:05:50
I understand the fans' desire to see the team back in paradise, dining on the top end of the table.
I would though urge that there be an understanding that what we are now is a team reborn, trying to survive in the dramatically changed landscape of the BPL and European football in general.

What we have said is that we will take a break, 3, 4 years, toil day and night assembling and preparing a team that will once again play an important and decisive role in European football and go on for years. We will follow and acquire some of the best/most promising young athletes in the world (i.e. Yesil, Sterling, Suso, Joao Carlos) and supplement their talents there and there with virtuosos (i.e. Suarez, Eriksen).

The journey has every chance of being every bit successful, theoretically.
However, for Liverpool to actually be important and decisive again in English and European football, every man with a LiverBird on his heart will have to pull in one direction: behind Rodgers, the team and owners.
It's very good that an important majority of the fans and the people of Liverpool continue to believe in our future.

gogoshi


You can't just write off 3/4 years for "building a team to challenge". Jd


 

 

06 Jan 2013 13:51:02
Surely a cheeky bid is worth putting in for Muniain?
Bilbao aren't offering him CL....
Jamie


How do you make a cheeky bid?

Is it done through the cheek girls, are they agents or someFING?


 

 

06 Jan 2013 13:43:27
anyone know what the story is with tickets for the zenit game cant seem to get any info
NAVANRED


 

 

06 Jan 2013 13:40:40
I know this has got nothing to do with Liverpool fc but ed I was just wondering how Chelsea can just constantly spend spend spend the club must be running at a loss and under the fairplay rule shouldnt that mean some sort of disipline Should be applied to the club?

JayBlair89

Ps my fiancee has just give birth to my beautiful lil boy and newest member to the Liverpool family {Ed002's Note - Chelsea actually made a slight profit last year but as you say, like PSG, Liverpool, Zenit and a number of other clubs that are likely to find meeting the FFFP rules an issue, they are still spending. Congratulations on the baby and some great between feed reading is the description of the FFPR that can easily be found via the search engine.}


Ed 02, will Liverpool struggle to meet the FFP rules?
Stoffe {Ed002's Note - They will show they are moving in the right direction. I would not worry about it.}


Thank you...


 

 

06 Jan 2013 13:33:41
HI Guys, Great Job on the sight..

Just wanted to know if there are any whispers of any of the younger squad players being blooded this term ready for next season..

It has been really good seeing some of them being given a chance..(i am not just talking about Sterling)

I am interested to here how Coady is developing..

Finally who would be your tip to see break though from the under 21/18s


Did someone have laser surgery?


 

 

06 Jan 2013 13:20:31
ino were only in the first week of the transfer window, but ithink were been messed about here by rodgers &the owners,, all the talk leading up to this window was our squad is really thin&, there will be players coming in, & therll be players to get fans on the edge of our seats,, then on the the 3rd day of the window rodgers comes out & says theres not any more coming in,, might be one more might be,,
so basically its one in one out & thats it,, we, ll all be waiting every day right up to the last day hoping for more signings, but there wont be any more signings,
the only other signing that might come in will probably be ince, but only if downing or someone else leaves, our small thin squad, weve been told this & that will happen but zilch nothing happens, there are some top players available, huntalaar, llorenta, snijder, there players of real quality at good prices, will we try & sign them dont think so, heres hoping im proved wrong,, but cant see it
IRISH RED


Would it be worth taking a chance on Emmanuel adebayor as it seems his days at spurs are numbered? If we could get him on the cheap 5 - 8 mllion, would be worth taking on for a couple of season to add experience to the thin forward line?


Sneijder is on well over 200k a week for his wages and has only played six matches this season for inter. we do not need anymore mercenaries at this club.

huntelaar signed a new contract with schalke 04. so much for you saying that he is available.

llorente has a release clause of around 35 million which is not a drop in the ocean.

how many times do people need to be told that the club will not be bankrolled by fsg after what happened in the 2011 transfer windows?

max


Huntelaar has signed a new contract with Schalke!

Irish Red


Huntelaar is available he signed new contract so the club could up his valuation, hes still been touted about to clubs for 10mill
llorentte is available for 6to 8mill hasnt played much this season, him & the manager fell out
sneijder is top drawer player, & available for 8mil, now we all no these players are on good wages, but put it this way you get what you pay for, them player would move us up the table fast, we would be more successful, hence there wages wouldnt be aproblem
IRISH RED


 

 

06 Jan 2013 13:15:46
Slightly random, but I still can't believe that it costs £50 million to NOT build a stadium. If anyone knows of any jobs going for any company that doesn't build Stadiums, can they let me know? Will send my CV right over - I am heavily qualified in being able to complete nothing whatsoever, they can even ask my missus for a reference.

Nick


Now thats real banter

Actually Bertie Ahearn he spend 100M euros on a natonal stadium that never was, is or will be

He also spent 58M euros on a hospital for sick children that has nare a brick on it, not only that it does not even have a site.

I reckon he's the man for LFC developments, he would fit in with the calibre of people in MGT. at LFC

Donny Darco


I asked your missus for a reference but she told me that I didn't need one!
AK04


 

 

06 Jan 2013 13:07:05
What do you want

We aren't far away, young kids developing, last years signings playing well and possibly a top 5 worldy player playing for us. We haven't had all the breaks this year, a few sub par performances like everyone else. FSG balancing the books, sensible wages and a couple of signings as we go.
Stadium to be developed, commercial income rising, 2 finals last year.. Times are bad aren't they.... Not

I keep saying support chelski or city if you want FIFA manager clubs

And finally a bit of noise at the match, it's bloody silent, maybe we need a singer to start it off like the German clubs.
Pistol. Pete


 

 

06 Jan 2013 12:55:08
All these 'remember portsmouth" comments really make me laugh! Yes liverpool were in a critical condition but there is no way it would have become a "portsmouth moment!" We are liverpool football club, be it fsg, arab billionaires or whoever, we would of found reliable suiters to pull us out of the hole we were in! Anyone who believes, if not for fsg, liverpool would be no more are more deluded than i thought! They cleared our debts yes, but they will still make alot of money and bleed our club dry, just like our last owners did! Mark my words! We need owners who have a passion for our club like us famous fans, they don't care about ongoings on the pitch, so long as there pockets are lined! Hence the owners hardly ever being at our games! Rant over! Is it just me who believes this? Ynwa!
Hardy1892


Liverpool continues to be a badly run club.


Hardy

John Moores was a fan and under him we ended up about ten years behind everyone else, still waiting on a stadium that should have been done a hell of a long time ago.

Bill Kenwright is an Everton fan but i sure as hell don't want him as our owner.

SideShowBob


How deluded you must be. The more successful we are the more money they make. -__- smh


Read the facts - there were no other buyers when we needed them, if we had waited any longer, we would now be in the Championship at best.


Yes Liverpool were never in danger of going out of business but the men to blame for all this is Moors and Rick Parry. FSG are having to put right years of neglect. They might not seem to be the best owners right now but give them time and they will either do a good job or sell just be patient
Murton Red


Putting your post into perspective:

'We would of found reliable suiters to pull us out of the hole we were in!'

We were a day close to administration during a worldwide financial meltdown; there were other bids, but they were all caught with their pants down with no funds. Where were you with your knight in shining armour then?!

'They cleared our debts yes, but they will still make alot of money and bleed our club dry, just like our last owners did!'

They are still making losses right now, yet they have made money available for investment in new players. In fact I'm thankful they are still supporting Rodgers. They are prudent - but show me an owner which isn't...

'Hence the owners hardly ever being at our games!'

They suffered abuse and even received death threats over the last transfer window! Just imagine: your own fans turning against you despite saving the club and spending over 150mil pounds on new players! If you were the owner, would you attend our matches?

Please don't end your post with YNWA - your mindless drivel will only tarnish what YNWA stands for

Singred


06 Jan 2013 14:01:34
I know does make me laugh people actually think FSG was the only offer on table!! I think people burrying head in the sand is whats happened if i remember correctly a very very wealthy chinese buisness man also wanted club but FSG were chosen! My concern would be the fact BR has very little money 2 spend we seem 2 have allready fallen behind spurs and with a very thin squad and no money im afraid a reallity check is needed it doesnt look good when tom werner says actions speak louder than words and the fans will be happy with buisness in jan then BR says we have very little money!really doesnt look good. {Ed002's Note - The Kenny Huang memories are perhaps not 100%.}


06 Jan 2013 14:08:27
Love how everyone has a different opinion on this! Even under moores though, i don't remember us being a consistently, mediocre, mid-table team like we are now! Time will tell but i believe we will continue to go backwards while other clubs challenging for top 4 will continue to move forward by buying world class talent and not just buying overpriced english youngsters and hoping they turn out to be something special, when we all know they never will be! Get abroad by some class for the same price as our english garbage! Just saying!
Hardy1892


I believe nameless poster is talking about Peter Lim, a Singaporean with £1 billion fortune and well-known manc supporter. He made a bid of £320 million with a further £40 million in transfer funds

Lim's interest in English football is reportedly based on the fact he owns several Manchester United themed bars across Asia; 14 of them, to be precise, according to a spokesman, although they are not official United bars.

Lim first became involved in United-themed bars and stores in 1992 through a joint venture with FJ Benjamin. The latter pulled out of the sector when it didn't work.

Beyond that, Lim's tangible interest in any sport has been limited to a one-off donation (albeit massive, $7m) earlier this year to the Singapore Olympic Foundation (SOF) to fund upcoming athletes.

Lim was nicknamed King of the Remisiers for his reputation as a consistent profit-making stockbroker.

Singred


There were only 2 other people that had shown interest in buying Liverpool were Kenny Huang a dodgy business man and a Man Utd fan from Thailand. I'de much rather have FSG who have brought in lots of investment and better sponsership deals than we have ever had.

Red1


Again, you really don't have a clue, do you:

'other clubs challenging for top 4 will continue to move forward by buying world class talent'
Who are you referring to - spurs, chavs or gooners? spuds have only signed Fryers and Holtby so far, both young and untested. chavs have bought only Ba. world class? hmmmm. gooners, mancs... errrr? none. one struggling to hold on to their own players, another fighting with their own!

'buying overpriced english youngsters and hoping they turn out to be something special, when we all know they never will be'
I don't know, Hendo is turning out quite good, Sterling signed from QPR; Gerrard is English, but if Houllier never gave him the chance, would Stevie had become the player he is today?!

I've already wasted enough time with you. You can look at the positives and support the team and our players, or you can continue moan, whine, grumble, b**ch the whole day and live a miserable life, it's up to you...

Singred

Singred


06 Jan 2013 14:56:05
They don't come to games because of people threatening and abusing them.

How can you say we can't be another Portsmouth. Certain people give the fans and club a bad name.

Lyndon


 

 

06 Jan 2013 12:43:13
the starting eleven against sunderland never had one of rodgers signings. interesting???????


Considering ones injured one needs a break and one is a squad player no..


5 signed:
Borini - injured
Assaidi - recently back from injury
Allen - slightly fatigued
Sahin - recently back from injury
Sturridge - had only just signed
Elementary my dear Watson. {Ed002's Note - Assaid has gone to SA.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 12:43:03
Sebastian Coates ?

whats everyones opinion of the players? Remeber his goal against QPR? Seen his surging runs forward for Uraguay? For LFC he always seems to be capable of making that crucial mistake though whilst playing at CB.

Does anyone else think he may be more suited to playing in midfield? At nearly 6 FT 6" he would dominate the middle of the park and would free him up to bomb forward providing an added ariel threat to our attack. He is a very good finisher for a cb ;)


The new David Luiz


06 Jan 2013 13:45:53
I think he could become what Rafa has done to David Luiz at Chelski, move him in to midfield to change & improve his game, but has to be given the chance..


A Luiz/Fellaini hydrid ;)


 

 

06 Jan 2013 12:22:21
Ian Ayre Is The Problem...
Thought we cleared out "dead wood" ?
Dudes a plonker!

JohnYnwa


Like him or louve him Ian Ayre is the best MD the prem has ever seen.

If he was in charge at Liverpool at the time Kenyon turned Man U into a global economic power we would not have been left behind.

Unfortunately people who are roofless in the pursuit of money are often abrasive

Liverpool Cabbie.


I take it your high up in the Business world!!

Because I can them all using Words like

"DUDES A PLONKER"

My god

LTNDON


People who are roofless are usually homeless


 

 

06 Jan 2013 12:24:46
Watch the first video of sturridge training yesterday, him, Allen, sahin and shelvey all had yellow bibs on. The rest had none or orange. This might be a sign as to who will play today, or won't play


They probably worked out how to put them on all on their own as well.
ND


 

 

06 Jan 2013 11:34:14
Hi Ed's, just a quick one. Alot of people keep complaining at us missing out on perhaps better quality players than the ones we actually bring in. A common explanation given to this is that we do not have CL football. When looking at the targets that Tottenham however seem to be interested and rumoured in, they are mostly considered huge prospects or world class stars, such as, holtby, moutinho, damiao & willian. Obviously they do not have CL football this season either, so I was just wondering what makes them a more attractive proposition to players, and how come they seem to be able to compete for this calibre of player? I'm aware they're above us in the league but nothing is settled yet in the season, there's a long way to go.

Cheers, J92 {Ed002's Note - Liverpool did not miss out on Holtby, Falcao, Coentrao, Hazard, etc. because of lack of CL football. They did not move to Liverpool as no interet was shown and no offers made.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 11:40:50
Eds "Why we buy players and not play them? Coates, Assaidi, sahin. Coates won the young player of copa America and sahin was player of the year in Germany. I can't understand why we don't give them playing time, we keep them in the bench and then sell them with massive lost, look at j cole last nite 2 assist. I think we are not getin the best out of our players. What's your opinion eds? Thanks {Ed002's Note - Sahin has played in a number of games this year and has suffered from injury. Assaidi was a squad member but has, I assume, now gone to South Africa. Coates has been on the bench and has had a few appearances - but Skrtel and Agger are the first pick.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 11:38:14
very interesting fact in sunday mirror today none of the starting line up against sunderland was one of rodgers signings. interesting ???


How's that interesting? He's made 4 signings, 1's in South Africa, 2 are injured Nd the other was a sub


How many signings has he made 1.Allen who has been a regular but needed a rest 2. Borini who is injured 3. Sahin who injured and on loan so if others at same level they will be picked ahead of him 4. Assadi cheap signing not up to strength of pl yet 5. Yesil one for the future and has been injured.

Wozza


And yet under him, although not on a consistent basis, they are playing better.


To be fair, he's really only signed three players. 1 is injured (borini) and 1 is about to go/has gone to Africa cup (assaidi). So he rested one player that he signed (allen). Apologies if I've forgotten a signing, but even so, it's hardly that big of a deal!!

JammyRed


06 Jan 2013 13:21:54
Not really interesting as he's only signed, what, 3 players, one of whom is injured and another who is at the ACON


 

 

06 Jan 2013 11:58:45
Here is today team Jones, Wisdom Carra Coates Robinson, Lucas Allen Shelvey, Suso Downing Sturridge
Murton Red


Well done, bang on. 3 hours before official website. aklfc


 

 

06 Jan 2013 11:51:54
With rumours of Coates leaving -either loaning him out or for good do u think this could unsettle Suarez as they are good friends and countrymen, whats your views-SALLY-


I'm sure suarez will be used to it by now.
derryred


I Know let's just buy Suarez's family and friends even if they cant play football!!

Then he'll live happily ever after in a utopia of warmth happiness!!!!

Do we support LIVERPOOL FC or the best player at any given time!!

Oh!? Until they retire or near the end of their career ie_ the legends that are. DaEnglish Carragher. Gerrard!!

Lyndon


Yes suarez will be really annoyed.

He'll miss playing with coates at break time as they mess around together and put worms on Rodgers chair!

And knowing suarez he could throw his toys out of the prambulator!

Yes it will be a mess!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 11:47:53
I am getting very bored of the "FSG business experts" on this site. I rarely comment but feel strongly enough to now.
I have my own business consultancy company and have been in Corporate Banking and finance for 27 years.
For those of you spouting rubbish about asset stripping, you clearly have no understanding of business at all. A company who was asset stripping would not sell players and re invest in others. These deals are "investment deals" as it says on the tin.

For those thinking we are cutting big wages out and taking on cheap players. Trust me £12m ish for a player is not the action of an asset stripper. The action of a true business owner is cutting costs of un used assets though as in Joe Cole. You cannot afford to pay £100k plus a week for a player who is never used. You re invest that in players that do play and you do that in 2 ways:
1. By negotiating extended or new contracts for existing players you wish to retain I.e. Suarez
2. Buying new players I.e. Sturradge.

Ladies, Gents and constant moaners, face facts here and accept some truths of business:
1. FSG needed to balance the books. You haven't got a business without a balanced budget. Even countries like USA work on that arrangement. Just think what Obama has been doing last few days.
2. You need to generate income to back expansion. Consider the size of sponsorship deals now to 3 years ago.
3. Plan ahead for expansion. Developing Anfield will take time and can only be started on a balanced set of accounts or you risk going bankrupt. You need extra income in place to pay all the costs and cover lost incomes from loss of capacity.
4. Large clubs that try to buy their way to success often come unstuck. Unless you are one of 2 or 3 clubs in the world with a super rich fan you run the risk of becoming Leeds United. Those who wish to sell the club should start to state who to and prove their desire to buy us.
5. Without a former Chelsea director selling us to FSG we would now be in the 3 rd division and possibly a Rangers. I commented at the time, with much support, about the position we were in. Stop moaning and start thanking.
6. Stop quoting all of these miracle players we should buy. Everyone on here has become a top paid scout or manager and knows better. Do you really think that David Villa would go to Liverpool at the moment?


This club that I have supported for all of my life is still a legend of the game. We have history that anyone will be proud to have. We will have success again but this needs building carefully and strategically. As fans you can disagree, comment and argue but please do so from a position of information and not ignorance.

As fans we have 1 real job to do and that is to shout so loudly about our club that 96 souls can still here it wherever they are looking down on us. If we all do that, we can be proud of our achievements. This will also help the players to be the best they can.
Please leave the business to the business people and start supporting our club.

Dave


06 Jan 2013 12:05:59
We don't facts and common sense around here, mate.

FSG are clearly charlatans and Rodgers is a clown because we haven't won the league yet.

- Something Red -


My God, what a post. I literally jumped out of my seat and punched the air. It's about bloody time we had some sense on here. Well said Dave, Simonpw


Crikey, a Liverpool fan talking sense.

AJH


I'd just like to say thank you Dave for the best post on here in a long long time, I've been saying more or less the same but some people don't know what they are talking about and panic about every silly little thing, they believe every silly rumour that we are in for top players when in fact we aren't, the likes if David villa who is a quality player but we would only get 3 years out of him tops n why should we pay 16 million on a player going on 32 years old that demands high wages, we might as well buy a sturridge who is younger n would be on less wages!


I do agree dave and but this is a rumour site and a bit of make believe. Let people have there moan and filter the B.S. Most of the post are well thought out. I do still believe we are not too far away from a champions league place, but would take a lot of luck in our next 4 games especially the 3 away games 4-6 points!!

Carl YNWA


You are talking for same FSG who spend £140 mil on rubish so they can balance the books? You clever d..k


Is it more the case that you can not tolerate other peoples opinions.
What a rigid and dogmatic person you are.
If you don't like don't read it, nobody is forcing you.
Suppose you are one of those boring people who always has to be right (in your view), and have the final say.
Most likely live alone, with 10 cats.
Inflexible verbose, self styled 'know it all'.


Well put brilliant post. I just wish that this nips it in the bud, but naturally it won't.
derryred


Awesome post Dave, YNWA

Kop71


USA balancing the books thats the best laugh I had in ages they just print money mate the fiscal cliff is just for the masses we have already jumped that hurdle.


Enough stop bitching about people who don't see things as you do, we all need to move away from this (including myself) .
Eam


Nice one Dave!


A lot of rubbish, is that the FSG who spend £140 mil + on rubbish to balance the books, they don't have a clue about football,


Dave, that is probably one of the best ever posts on this site, ever. very well explained mate, excellent. and on a more personal note...
if your a liverpool supporter out there, get behind the bloody manager and the team. comrades, its time for the red army too march again and march to one tune. solidarity.

stevie.


Good post buddy personally i no nothing about finances but when i heard we were loosing a mill a week /month something like that and got debt piled on us i thought we were funked and when we were bought i was delighted and still am let all the big wage earners get the boat.maybe they will sell us on at a profit.SO WHAT?the fact is by the time they do we will be a balanced self sufficent club.and after the last twenty years as liverpool fans we should be happy and enjoy an era of fast attacking football..bring on mansfield lambs to the slaughter..i hope


Dave. Legendary Post!!

and it's also good to see so many right-minded replays!!

Gives hope that the sites not gone totally mad!

Lyndon


Well Dave.
Let's see how things are going under FSG at seasons end.
For many its their perceived lack of progress.

Sponsorship from Standard Bank (considering their recent sisclosures), is not one I would cheer about.
ExceSsive Money spent to clear the deck and books (agent fees, planning fees), well this shows a rather cavalier approach does it not.
Can't blame H&G for this entirely, because FSG did for a long time consider the new stadium option.

Though they speak at length of cutting costs (wage bill), they spend without doing proper analysis and diligence... Its this aspect that is most concerning, as it demonstrates a lack of understanding of the football business.
This is football, played at international level, not baseball at national level... I believe that they have yet to grasp or understand this distinction.
That is the most worrying aspect.... This is not about 'on the job training', its about appointing competent individuals (sadly BR and Ayre, do not fit the bill), to manage your investment.

Thus, the 'demise' of LFC, and blame therefore, has to be directed at the owners/decision makers, and no one else!!.

{Ed002's Note - Your suggestion that the blame should be placed at the door of the owners is ridiculous given the very first point you make is wrong. The sponsorship from Standard Chartered is nothing to do with FSG - it predates their ownership. We can file this on the "another embarrassing post" pile.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 11:19:30
I am fed up with people using our lack of CL football as an excuse for our inactivity in the transfer window and bidding for top players! QPR and Spurs signed Julio Ceaser and Lloris respectively! If we were to get linked to them, fans would say its best to forget about them because according to you they are world class and above Liverpool! Look where they are now! Who would imagine Julio Ceaser, one of the best goalkeepers in the world to be at QPR. The thing is we don't bid for players! Our scouting system is too dormant and we shouldn't create an excuse for ourselves with the lack of CL. You haven't actually bid for a player and he declined and yet we assume the player would decline because he must want CL football. Where we in the CL when we signed Suarez? I see bargain players being signed every day that if you watch their play would suit us nicely but No, we end up with the Borini's! The "so called" future stars. There was a Burak Yilmaz at Trabzonspor who just scored 35goals! But we never take risks! Now he is excelling at Galatasaray and back then had a release clause of 5m. There is a Mattias Suarez who if not due to that injury would have signed for CSKA from Anderlecht! Another creative and brilliant player for below 10m! All these we wouldn't sign! Our transfer activity really sickens me

Bryan Francis


What? QPR above Liverpool? Have u seen the table? Lol! We already have a top class goalkeeper in Reina so why would we need julio cesar or lloris? Plus QPR have multi billionaires behind them n look at where they are? Bottom of the league, money doesn't always gaurentee success lad.....they have bought players which they didn't need n have around 40 squad players who are average on high wages .... Abit like we had, average overaged players on stupid wages but we are slowly sorting ourselves out n we are getting there .... Keep believing n support the team, if not? go support someone else like QPR, spurs, Chelsea or city but I have a feeling in Afew years time then you'll come crawling back when were back where we should be

Ack 17
With a liverbird upon my chest forever


Ceasar is playing his last few years in football, nothing special anymore. Get over it. People going on an on about others teams signing this that and the other, who gives a s**t we are Liverpool and we support those in a red shirt. Stop fretting about other teams. We sign players to fit our system. If they do not want to play for Liverpool Football Club they do not deserve to put on the red shirt


So LFC buying a player who is unproven outside the Turkish Super League and a player who failed a medical, would satisfy you would it?


Think about it, Joe Cole was the last "world class" proven premiership star to sign for us. I was very happy and optimistic that liverpool signed him, what happened ? We ended up with a very over payed substitute. I'm not saying to not go for world class players, however at the wages they would want and the possibility of them failing is just a bit of a gamble at this stage. Liverpool FC makes stars not buy them.
derryred


'Who would imagine Julio Ceaser, one of the best goalkeepers in the world to be at QPR' LOL look at where they are now!

I can explain the workings of Rodgers transfer dealings but it will probably fly by you, so I won't bother

Singred


 

 

06 Jan 2013 11:07:28
rogers is up to his lame tricks again

- he buys 1 over priced player and talks all that garbage saying oh we will reinforce in jan

- now he comes out before the game is played..oh we have no depth to the squad...to me he is trying to justify a loss against mansfield..incase
but also...why get rid of caroll and cole then if we have no depth

- this guy makes no sense............if u cant even talk to the owner as manager to say..we need funds now in order for me to do my job...then why r u there..go away
and let another manager make things happen

so my point is.................before the window..he talks rubbish...we need players we will get some in jan

and now the window is open.....he is basically saying sturridge is the only one...and that we have no depth to the papers

so he is just confusing the fans...

pete


If he said now we desperately need and want player x, y and z their price would be ridiculously inflated. Just let them get on with sorting it out. Yes we all want signings but we're not even half way through the window.
Sam


I for 1 am not confused. It's quite simplistic really. Evaluate the squad. Players who dont fit the profile are shipped out. Players who do, are available and want to join for reasonable money and wages will. BR and FSG will sanction progressive contracts with performance and goal targets achieved. If we don't sign anyone else who doesn't meet the criteria then so be it. We also develop and integrate youth from within. I would rather have as Rodgers himself said a group that would die every day for the club than a couple of 35m mercenaries who just turn up to play when it suits them. Is that in simple enough english to understand for you, Simonpw


It's probably just a ploy, they will be atleast 1 more signing, you can just feel it HAHA.


Wait until the 1st feb before you start your whining mate
JJ


His lame tricks again?
what a complete joke, everyone with any sense knows carroll needed to go for wages to become available for another striker, the rest is deadline day history.

Many people seem to have missed what has been said in interviews and the like, it was only the other day that Rogers said there had been no development with Ince, not that there was no interest.

We did really well getting Sturridge in that early, those with optimist may say we are learning from previous mistakes. Joe Cole sat on 100k p/w was a mistake, letting him go is not and if his departure (for around half his money owed) ensures we have more flexibility in putting together packages for potential new players that can only be a good thing.

We've paid far too much money in wages and transfer fee's for average players over the years, we're still feeling the pain of that now and the owners will not let the same mistakes be made, sensible you would think!

Some fans on here really gived fsg unjustified stick, regardless of whether we got money in for torres and babel we still gave KD over 100m to spend!

SideShowBob


Nope - he's just confusing you

Singred


Rodgers is not confusing the fans


He is making his May excuses early for when we finish 10th in EPL, Don't undersetimate Rodgers he may be charlatan but he is a clever one.


I think the full stop button is sticking on your keypad mate.


A few days in and your bitching...give brendan a chance...you really are the glass is half empty man aint ya?we can still make top 4 and even if we did you would complain.... kop on...


 

 

06 Jan 2013 10:52:05
Any chance of Yesil playing today?


Sturridge will play cf


 

 

06 Jan 2013 10:59:44
Question, why are we mad after tom increase, not one other club are interested in him same was with sturridge are these the players that will help us ed, heard Stewart downing is for Sunderland as well. {Ed052's Note - I doubg SD will be moving until the summer at the earliest. However, unless you are a quality scout, dont start criticisibg players. Just support them. They could be 2 amazing signings. Cheap signings doesn't mean rubbish, just take Michu for an example. Expensive signings doesn't make success, take Torres and Carroll.}


Nice one ed, sick to death of all the persons who think they know it all on this site!

JJ


Ed52 you're full of crap. You're saying 15 mil for Allen/ 12 mill for sturrige/ 11 mill for borini is cheap? {Ed052's Note - Comparatively to other players yes. Are you one of the people who wants Cavani, Hazard etc. They would cost 3 times as much. Seeing as these are 3 young internationals you point out, yes, I do think that they are cheap, and cheaper than any deals we managed to complete under Comolli and Dalglish}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 10:34:58
But ed you constantly say west ham don't have to buy Carroll at the end of the season, so what exactly does loan-to-buy mean? {Ed052's Note - they have the option to buy him at the end of the season for the agreed fee. We cannot force WHU to buy him}


My understanding is that West Ham do have to buy him if they stay in the Premier League at the end of the season for £17 million (with a £2 million fee for this season).Obviously if they got relegated then Carroll would be sent back.

The Irish Rover


Please god your right Irish rover


 

 

06 Jan 2013 10:27:58
Its probably me putting 2and2together and making 5 but if sahin goes back whats tge chances of us getting Modric on loan instead


Lol, why would he want to go on loan to Liverpool? He's likely to have his pick of major clubs

AJH


 

 

06 Jan 2013 10:09:59
Hi eds

I know Ed002 may shoot me down for this but will ask anyway, firstly on Sturridge, do you believe Benitez would of let a player would of come to Liverpool if he hadnt been any good (controversial, I know but as we all know he has a lot of feeling for the club)
Also can you see any other business between the 2 clubs (at least whilst he is there and no I don't mean Torres, ha)

Cheers

Ray {Ed052's Note - Benitez isn't controlling transfers so his opinion of DS is irrelevant. There will be business between the clubs when needed}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 10:07:45
Hey Eds. Nothing that's really going to impact the first team but is it true we're giving Enzo Zidane a 2 month trial at the club? {Ed052's Note - we dont know}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 09:51:05
Looks like the Coates rumour leaving have been put to bed. On todays website he has been interviewed and has made it clear he wants to stay and is not going to sit around moaning.

He clearly loves the club, and Im sure he will get his chance soon. Maybe the fact that so many clubs have shown an interest in him has alerted BR to just how highly he is rated in world football.

I personally rate him very highly and think he could become our new Sammi Hypia, big, skillful on the ball, strong, great football brain, intelligent, real club commitment and a fighter in the mould of Luis Suarez.

Hope he gets picked today, the lad deserves a chance in my view

Tel 1949


Personally, i cant see what Coates has done wrong. I mean he has hardly had any game time, so how can he prove himself. Rodgers is obviously making his assesment on what he sees in training, but you cant be telling me that Carra is a better footballer and more suited to passing the ball.

The Irish Rover


Coates an Lucas are two reasons Suarez is so happy at LFC, if Coates goes its one less reason for Suarez to stay, just an observation.


Thoroughly agree Tel, I saw an old game against Luton when we won 5-3 and young Hypia was caught out for pace and made a few errors. Not unlike Coates.i think he could be a hell of a prospect just like Sami given time

cozinoz


Well rodgers did say in an interview that the hardest thing he has to do every week is to tell jamie carragher that he isn't playing, doesn't that mean that we should give jamie credit instead of using it as leverage against BR.
derryred


 

 

06 Jan 2013 09:34:13
And so another cup run starts or not as the case maybe. A chance for the BR out brigade or we are gonna win the cup gang to come out in force depending on the result lol. That's the passion that is LFC. I myself tend to stand somewhat in the middle as I guess do most and see each game as an individual match. No game is more important as the next one, how true. I think consistency is what we all strive for. The expectation of winning no matter the opposition is tied to confidence both in the manager and the team. The results in the next 6 or 7 games will go a long way to defining our season. First time around 4pts from Norwich, City, Utd and Arsenal. This time an fa cup match and 2 uefa cup matches sandwiched in between. The reverse fixtures can show have we progressed. Who's to say we can't win them all. I for 1 would be happy with progression in both cups and a significantly higher pts return from our league games. I believe the return to form of stevie, downing and hendo coupled with the arrival of sturridge are both great news for us and can help us see by the end of feb how far we have come. Bring em on I say, let's see some death by football and steamroller them all. I guess I woke in a great mood this morning lmao. A very optimistic red, YNWA Simonpw


 

 

06 Jan 2013 09:28:05
I am really tired of hearing how great fsg are first they did not give kenny £100m to spend they gave him £25m . The rest was player sales eg torres babbel & raul m if they bought earlier in there first window torres would have stayed now they get br & cut his squad down to the bone leave lfc with one forward to jan . All we hear from ayre werner br let get to jan now we are hear what a shock no money now its the summer we will spend bet we will hear fsg say br has to sell to buy . The stadium is a joke they know what they are doing going with the council with 5he rebuilding of anfield it will take years to get planning premision & fsg can blame them for any delay my opion there are cost cutting to put lfc for sale


How does it matter how they got the money?

It was all their money once they received it, then they spent it!!

In what way cant you get your little mind round that.

Lyndon


Your opinion counts for nothing mate, thank bloody god!


Another nameless troll on a matchday with nothing else to do but moan and complain about something or other. Your time would be better suited getting your coat on and making your way to the match and supporting the team. Just to make it a little clearer for you, all incoming money from sales cannot realistically be spent on players in when a club is in debt. There's always some expense or bill waiting to swallow it up. FSG paid for the club, wiped out most of the debt including money wasted on previous stadia plans etc and have reduced significantly the day to day running expense of the club. It's naive to think that they have only provided 25m for transfers. Do a little research before you make a fool of yourself again, enuf said Simonpw


Torres was always going to leave, he had been unhappy and played like that too for months before his departure . If I had a choice of keeping that torres or the suarez we have now then I choose the latter coz luis wouldnt be the player he is if torres had stayed..MonaghanRed


If your so annoyed, support someone else. I know malaga rich sugar daddy but are a skint club, which could of been us under D I C. I like our owners what have they ever done wrong bar back the manager for the players he wanted.
If your so pissed off why not sign your name so we can reply to your inane comment.
Si


06 Jan 2013 12:19:02
On pure nett spend he's a little off, Kenny spent around £34m nett. Suarez, Carroll, Downing, Hendo, Coates, Adam in for reportedly £102m, and Torres, Babel & Meireles out for £68m. But still, it's not £100m right?

What he neglects in his analysis of FSG, however:

1) They first of all cleared about £300m in debt from the club

2) The club has been running at a loss because for all the advancement in the club's marketing under the H & G era, they were still starting from the stoneage, so we're well behind other major clubs without CL money.

3) If you are really fixated on transfer fees only, they've now given Rodgers the guts of £40m to spend whilst getting £4m back for Adam, and very little back for Kuyt and Maxi (probably less than £2m between them). Imagine if Rafa had been given that in the summer of 2009 to replace Xabi with a fit player and sign Jovetic, rather than having to make deals with clubs that already owed us money? Wouldn't that have been nice?

I reckon their total nett spend on transfers alone since coming in is more than £60m. And that's excluding the amount of money they've poured in under points 1 & 2. I'll take that from the owners of the club, thanks.

- Something Red -


Oh god, you comment on one post and then find another one that riles you even more than the first...

FSG GAVE KENNY DALGLISH OVER 100M TO SPEND!

maybe if they were being the tight fisted so and so's we hear about they would have used the money from torres, babel, meireles etc to wipe away some of the debt that they've been ploughing money at for the past three years.

We are not a successful club at the minute, we haven't won anything of significant value for years now and yet they gave one manager in the space of 12 months that much money to spend..

We've had a wage bill that would cripple most other clubs and nearly did to us before we were bought out just before administration if you all remember.

Also those who repeatedly chirp on about the crap players we've bought for extortionate amounts of money (at this point i'm referring to br's reign), please take into account wages, agents fee's, bonuses, signing on fee's etc. Clearly for some of you the fact we have no champions league football will bear no issue whatsoever to the players you want us to sign but it does not take a genius to work out that the difference between paying 15m for joe allen and paying 10m for sjneider* is about 15m in wages!

comments welcome..

SideShowBob


 

 

06 Jan 2013 09:23:06
Hi Eds, first of all this site is really addictive and I am grateful for your input and also for your caution when making statements. Saying this because I do feel we as supporters need a kind of reality check. We are 8th now. We are talking about the possibility of signing these high profile players but I for one think we need to face facts. We are far from where and what we used to be in terms of CL football. We have a solid team that has shown amazing promise in the last months, however we are at a stage where we are still building to gain consistency. Our reputation alone is simply not enough anymore to attract the prolific names everyone keeps throwing in. Also, I don´t want us to sign anyone who does not want to play for us, regardless of the name! E.g. Sahin and Joe Cole. Did anyone watch Joe Cole yesterday? He was bloody excellent. He WANTED to play. He showed a side I have failed to see in all his time at Liverpool. Sahin: Amazing in Dortmund, benched it at Real and supposedly preferred Arsenal (CL football, see above) but was urged to join us. I wonder, did that have anything to do with his performance? If Sturridge is "it" for this window then so bloody be it! I genuinely think he wants this! Our biggest flaw is our strikeforce or lack of support for Suarez and we have signed someone who I think fits the bill. Lets hope our current ability is complemented by that, lets not forget our lack of budget (WE ARE NOT CHELSEA OR MAN CITY) and not forget the fact that unless a prolific player has emotional ties to Liverpool or admiration for what we used to be and wants to join us for that reason - we don´t have what it takes to attract the calibre above YET. I have confidence in BR. We are playing easy on the eye football and it shows. I think we can move up as we are now with the addition of Sturridge. Why should we fight for players who seem more than hesitant to join us. Why should we over-pay? No player is bigger than the club. Whoever wants to join, will.
German Red.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 09:12:12
Once you establish a style of play and the players get to know the system it is so much easier to identify and attract the players you need to progress. More importantly it is also easier to identify the players you don't need thus saving time and money. Fair play to Rodgers he has set his stall out and we are starting to show some form and players with potential (Henderson, Downing, Enrique) are starting to deliver.
Realistically we should be looking at 5th this season given depth of squad. Next season our youngsters (Suso, Sterling, Shelvey, Wisdom) will be older and more established and if we add 1 or 2 outstanding players in the summer we can look to compete four top four. Slowly slowly catchy monkey.


One of the most rational and intelligent posts I have seen. I agree completely. Its small steps forward, and I agree, next season our youngsters will be that little bit better, and more experienced.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 08:35:25
Downing has been playing his best football in a Liverpool shirt in the last month. With Cole now gone and our already thin squad, is it safe to say that Downing is staying?


I gather from BR's own words if he carries on playing at present level he will be picked for the first team never mind the bench so I don't personally see him going anywhere. He's very versatile and as the last 6-8 games have shown he's prepared to play anywhere and fight for his place. Fair play to him I say. Another player might have just crumbled and moved on. He's shown that character that Lucas had and determination to show he can play. The same can be said of Henderson and maybe they both just needed a little patience and belief from the manager. I find it hard to believe a lot of fans haven't done the same. Getting behind the team through the bad times is just the lift the team needs to move forward towards the good times. I always look to the fans from struggling teams from any division who go week in week out to sing their hearts out for the team they love. These clubs get unconditional support by the love of their fans no matter what. A valuable lesson to be learned when you consider an unexpected loss, a bad season or a call for a player or managers head. YNWA springs to mind, Simonpw


 

 

06 Jan 2013 05:51:09
If we were about to play the first game of the season with our current squad, what would be the hopes and expectations? I would be relatively confident of a Top 4 finish as long as we had no major injuries or suspensions.

cozinoz


We'll see the real Liverpool next season, that's when BR should be judged not now!


 

 

06 Jan 2013 04:15:21
Sahin has come to liverpool for 4.4m so why would we send him back to madrid we will still have to pay his wages untill the end of the season.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 04:00:00
Hi All Eds and fellow Reds

Now that Ince has played for Blackpool in the cup does his value reduce? I hope we don't wrangle over the reported £2M difference, if he is a player BR wants in his plans! Time we began getting players we want (£6M explayer!) and not lose deals over what to our contemporaries is mere change!!
Come on whoever is in charge, do the business (whoever it is you want to bring to Anfield)

Iranred in London {Ed002's Note - It will make no difference at all.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 03:42:42
Just throwing out my opinion. I think liverpool do not need to sign any player from abroad. The odd exception would be sneijder but just look at the players we already have, suso, sterling, sturridge and borini all have potential. And suarez does not need an explanation he is unreal. I would be very surprised if we signed any more players apart from maybe tom ince. This is just my opinion. What do you think?


 

 

06 Jan 2013 03:25:44
Ed's I am confused? West Ham have 3 players on loan, Paulista, Carroll and Chamakh... From what's been said I thought this was against Prem rules?

American Red {Ed002's Note - No, Carroll is on a loan-to-buy deal and is therefore excluded from the total.}


Ed is there any reason west ham can get out of buying carroll or dose it go through automatically at the end of the season?tanx

majestic69 {Ed002's Note - He is on some sort of "loan-to-buy" deal and I am not aware of the details of the contract. I suspect that the rumoured "relegation" clause does exist and I could postulate that there are clauses about behaviour and injury. Other than that it would be impossible to say without further information.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 02:08:03
Sturridge to score twice tomorrow!! He'll be a revelation with Suarez> We just gottta give him time.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 01:35:23
Hi eds, quality site! First time poster here, any word on the chances of Nacho being given some game time in the first team? Or Teixeira? Keep up the good work! Cheers! {Ed002's Note - Perhaps a cameo or two - today would perhaps be an opportunity to blood a youngster.}


 

 

06 Jan 2013 01:23:48
Just read that zidane jr could be given a trial at lfc! Have the eds or Macca heard anything?


 

 

06 Jan 2013 01:09:11
Surely there's gonna be a surprise signing like assaidi.
Also think lfc should consider kalou as 2.5m is cheap for somebody who has prem experience. He may have bad form now but at least he knows the game.

My own view I think Coates shouldn't be loaned out, shelvey should loaned or sold, Wilson should be sold, look at miayachi( aresanal winger) as it would boost our over seas income. And also look at Danny rose to push Enrique.


Shelvey has come on leaps and bounds and i see him playing better and better all the time, why on earth would we sell or loan him, his development is coming on well from the player we saw when he first arrived. i agree with the wilson thing though it would seem he's bellow even some academy players.
does anyone know what is happening with Kelly? is he injured, as he was beginning to look like a first team player hands down. Also he is naturally a center half although he often played as right back.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 01:02:29
John Henry, made his money as a commodities broker, 'Buy Low, Sell High', so don't delude yourself, his ambitions are clear.
Stabilise, reduce costs, build value...Then Sell!.
We will have new owners sooner rather than later.
All the FSG posturing, is a stalling tactic.


Well they've owned Red Sox since 2002


I hope your right bud
Eam


Posturing???.....Isn't this the most viable way to run a football club? you buy a player for 10m, sell for 25-30m, more money in the coffers for both club and for fsg???
It's certainly a better model than what city are doing at the moment buy high sell lower- yes the arabs can afford to do it, WE CAN'T !!.... And its deffo a better model than buyin the likes of downing for 20m and if we sold him we'd be lucky to get 10-12m . Yes they want to make money but have they not already pumped over 400m into our once ill fated club.....PEOPLE SHOULD REMEMBER THIS....JUST THINK PORTSMOUTH. !


You forgot to mention shafting lifelong season ticket holders out of their tickets so they can sell them as part of Thomas Cook package deals to tourists(they spend more at the club shop on match days then the Scousers).


Think he was refering to the club, not players.
Bought LFC cheap, sold a few players, financed new players with money received (partially).
Get a cheap inexperienced manager, cheap young players (who don't question anything).
Keep selling off where possible.
Pay out agent fees and design plan fees.
Keep promising a stadium.
Manage the club downwards (costs), until set financial ratios are achieved.
Then sell the club for all that can be gotten.
The evils of capitalistic exploitation.
Its all there to be seen.

Remember, commodities traders operate against 'future possible value'.. That's JH.. Our speculator owner.


 

 

06 Jan 2013 00:41:46
I find it disgusting that so called fans slate FSG, despite what they have done for the club.

Forget the players for a bit -do you know how many jobs were saved for the hundreds of staff employed by LFC when they bought the club?

Would you do called fans have preferred a bankrupt club a la Glasgow Rangers .... WE WERE ON THE BRINK OF SHAME AND ADMINISTRATION !

Furthermore, the extortionate contracts of mediocre players was utterly scandalous. It's entirely correct to get rid of mercenary players - despite that FSG still sanctioned a huge amount of money for transfers hitherto.

Support the club - but be patient - in a time of austerity, the club needs to be on a solid financial footing for long term sustainability .

FSG are nonetheless still sanctioning big contracts but quite rightly wont be held to ransom by greedy players and agents.

The fans need to show some loyalty, support and faith.

We will rise again and be a major European force ...We are LFC, remember that, understand what it means - we will never walk alone.....


MULDER


I'm sorry but don't you think, as we are liverpool football club, somebody else would have brought the club had FSG not been there? Therefore, they have no divine right to be excluded from criticism, in fact, they are due more criticism than most! This doesn't mean I don't back them and what they're doing (as it is probably good long-term) but they've made some huge mistakes that have cost the club millions and do now appear to be taking a back seat unfortunately. It seems to me that they've got their infrastructure and will let Brendan and co. get on with it and, unless something goes seriously wrong, will not invest heavily again. This is mainly due to their American interests being in crisis at the moment so it's hardly surprising and I wouldn't expect them to put Liverpool back as their main focus until that's sorted which will probably take a year or more. {Ed002's Note - They have already invested again in this transfer window and still people are bleating.}


Ya and you would be the one crying when were not in the top 4, fsg do not have the money to take the club forward just look at the way they seached for a manager and then not buying the players he wanted.They will turn us into a feeder club just wait till our best players want to leave and then post how great fsg are.
I feel really sorry for BR with having one of the most sought after jobs in football (one time not now) and having to look at other teams rejects. When was the last time a Liverpool manager had to do that? Anyway whatever my feeling on Fsg is neither here nor there, lets just shut up about everything and get behind our team today shout, sing, let the world know who we are once more .
Eam

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has maintained their position as one of the top ten NET spending clubs world-wide each season. Right now the club is the eight highest GROSS spending clubs world-wide this season. The problem is not the money being spent by FSG.}


06 Jan 2013 12:30:08
"I'm sorry but don't you think, as we are liverpool football club, somebody else would have brought the club had FSG not been there?"

Then please explain why the only other person to make a bid was Kenny Huang, who was dodgy as could be?

There's a finite supply of Arab billionares interested in football clubs around the the world, and whoever our prospective buyers in October 2010 were knew they were coming into a situation where they had a lot of debt to clear, a fanbase with big expectations that had already been burned by their owners before, a stadium that's too small for the club, and a business that was running at a loss even when debt repayments were discounted. If you don't think all that put people off then you need your head examined.

- Something Red -


 

 

06 Jan 2013 00:33:52
Eds, it was reported Huddleston's time at Tottenham is up. For me at £3m he is a bargain to sure up the central midfield. He can tackle, win the balls in the air, spread the play shoot. For me he's the perfect back up/competition for Lucas. I'm pretty sure we could use him at CB if necessary so if Coates goes out on loan we're not left empty handed.


Spurs value Huddlestone at 7 mil


Huddlestone has all the attributes but does not seem to progressed he really should be a first team regular at thus stage if his career, but a move of club might invigorate him...
Paisley's genius


06 Jan 2013 11:48:09
His time is up at Spurs because he struggled with injuries and sometimes his weight. 4 appearances in the last 18 months?

And even if he stayed fit and replicated his best form, he wouldn't knock Lucas or Gerrard out of the team and I'd rather work with our existing young players (Shelvey, Allen, Hendo, Suso) for the third midfield slot than spend £3-7m on someone else.

- Something Red -


 

 

06 Jan 2013 00:24:14
If walcott plays for arsenal in the fa cup, its as good as saying he aint leaving/


I'll tell you now, he aint coming!


No it isnt. Just means he will be cup-tied. It's one cup in one season. Hardly a reason not to go for him if he's the right player.


Depends on how much importance you put on the FA cup. I don't think many managers nowadays would allow it to influence a transfer. (He'll still be at Arsenal in a year, it's all nonsense this Walcott pretending to leave - he'd be terrified to leave Wenger's wing)

Po


 

 

05 Jan 2013 23:35:38
Is anyone else bored of hearing the old 'my mates dads bosses dentist seen David villa in the park Road tesco' or the 'we should sign Walcott, huntelaar, gameiro and every other player you've ever or never heard of?' we are kopites, not chelsea fans and we should be happy with our squad that is is showing loads of potential a day definite signs off improvement. Yes there have been blips such as villa and Stoke but we have also had our crisp red warrior shorts pulled down by the officials on numerous occasions this season.

Players like downing, Hendo and, earlier in the season, Enrique have come in for a lot of stick. Ok its no secret that the first two have not exactly set the world, or even the road end, on fire but they have show a fantastic attitude over recent weeks, both in accepting criticism and in playing wherever they have been asked to, and this has led to drastic improvements on the pitch... Downing in particular has looked great over Christmas. Gerrard has had alot of stick aswell but is starting to look a lot freer lately, he was outstanding against Sunderland, as was reina.

Before we moan and groan like fergie when his watch has stopped, Let's not forget a few years ago when lucas was getting boo'd and skrtel was like a donkey on skates...They are now two of the first names on the team sheet a day two of our best, most popular players. This shows the improvements that are possible when players have the right attitude and a loving arm around them.

Sure we could do with a few additions but it's far from the end of the world without them, it's not even the end of the day. With Sturridge in to finish some of the fine football we play, a manager who really fells like the man for the job and a few wayward players starting to come good, things are definitely looking up. Remember, it's the neighbours who are bitter. Let us not forget what a privilege it is to support the greatest team on earth, Let's get behindthem and focus on the many many positives at lfc ...We are Liverpool ynwa


Don't agree, why should we let these two players, who cost 40 million I believe, who failed to play for Kenny, deserve a chance. Hopefully there are more mugs who look at these players and will hopefully buy them for a fraction of the price we paid but atleast get some money back.

Ok, as for Skrtel, who has cost us alot of points this season, he does not deserve too not be getting any stick, why should he be starting, so prone to mistakes because he has no comptetion.

Who should we sign? As long as they are going to come and show alittle heart and skill, Ill be happy.


I agree wid most of ur points but u too have a problem. take ur rose tinted glass off and admit like many many other liverpool fans that we r not the greatest team on earth. it sounds good but u hv to live in reality. everyone thnks that they r rational n wen it comes to LFC everyone expects us to be top 4 or challenging league leaders, look at our squad do we look like the greatest team or one who is going to finish top4?


Quality mate.


You not see the problem with complaining about people posting rumours on a rumour site?

Liverpool Cabbie


Fantastic post, couldn't agree more.

thebritvickid


Nice post my friend, well said.

(shame we dont know who you are?)

Tel 1949


 

 

05 Jan 2013 23:25:39
Guys I don't think there is any need to worry about Suarez moving aside to accommodate Sturridge, give him a free role behind Sturridge defenders won't know what's hit them, they can't handle him at the best of times. The man can beat two In a phone box.

Mo


I really wouldn't move suarez at this moment but rogers is the manager, suarez wasn't as effective behind andy carroll if you recall.
derryred


I would think Sturridge might have slightly better movement than Carroll to be fair. He and Suarez will be very fluid along with Sterling, so can't see the issue. If anything the opposition will struggle to figure out who is playing in which position once they gel


 

 

05 Jan 2013 23:01:54
Inge would be good at the right price, however I don't think we need to spend anymore.
I think we should complete the rest of the season bringing through the youngsters and hope that some of the more established players show there true ability.
We looked really good the other day, so lets be positive and watch our team develop and grow the way a truly great side should,

YNWA

DJC


 

 

05 Jan 2013 22:58:46
Im sorry but we have two players higuain sneijder available more higuain 20m pounds we paid 22 for suarez we know this is what we need splash out and have quiet summer. He would be a big piece to our jigsaw goalscorer. I like sturridge im not against that one big price when u see whats out there eg negredo and so on but i think suarez left sturridge right someone higuain in middle come on a lot of problems are sorted means in summer its squad building not a hel of a lot of money maybe another winger gs midfield and rb. Time carrol goes downing etc be cheap summer... I believe gonzalo would come because we are showing faith in him hes not playing we have suarez and lucas fellow south americans. I truly believe hes there for taking hes not like cavani and that hes get able. Ps ( micah richards and alonso)


Seriously. Do people think you just buy a player, then you own the outright? Like a slave? We'd still have to pay their wages you realise?


 

 

05 Jan 2013 22:53:58
No more business at all

Adamlfc


 

 

 
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