Liverpool Banter Archive February 06 2016

06 Feb 2016 22:31:33
For anybody still wanting to blame us walking out on 77 minutes for today's result, listen to the interview after the game by pep lijnders, tells you all you need to know.

07 Feb 2016 00:02:07
I've just seen the Mignolet wall and goal, tells any remaining doubters what they need to know.

07 Feb 2016 00:29:32
There are no doubters! Everyone knows Migs is terrible.
Even Migs himself.

06 Feb 2016 22:06:46
Edd001 do you think other clubs might look at what's going on at anfield and decide to make a stand at there club, our fans our doing what is needed to safeguard the future of our club for the next generation of fans, but the prices are a problem for the whole premier league, we are the dearest in Europe yet make more than any league on TVs rights, and our club was also 1 of the 7 to vote against the £30 tickets which was not a shock either . My season ticket has gone down but this is irrelevant to me because it won't stay like that long term .

{Ed001's Note - I hope so, I know Arsenal fans are extremely unhappy, I do think that is the next step the fans' groups have to take.

06 Feb 2016 22:28:27
People who disagree please write why . I'm interested in why someone would disagree with it . Give me your point of view .

07 Feb 2016 00:51:18
Its blasphemy bcos even when i go church the tithing is only 10% of my income according to bible. The season ticket cost more than that. Is Liverpool bigger than God?

07 Feb 2016 03:36:14
Imo it is not that people disagree with the protest meaning, more the manner in which it is done, 77 mins people left, what does that do? Other than produce a negative? In no way is anything positive derived from leaving early, i watched the game on a stream and the commentator stated sunderland had the advantage as liverpool had to face the kop in the 1st half and all i could think was that it was actually better as the stand would have people in it! Its noble that people protest but as someone said before for me not being there at kick off would have been better if you HAD to not be there for a portion of the game.

06 Feb 2016 21:40:13
Just seen goals on TV, well done Simon once again. Enough is enough with you as well.
Good goal by Defoe but Sakho didn't do enough did he.

06 Feb 2016 21:55:23
I thought Sakho was really poor to get turned like that.

06 Feb 2016 23:25:01
Said it all season sakho is a liability can't pass can't head makes everyone around him nervous.

06 Feb 2016 23:38:39
I think Sakho is utter garbage.

06 Feb 2016 23:41:40
sakho worst center half in prem!

07 Feb 2016 00:32:52
I hope Klopp was watching on TV today. So he can see Exactly what we see! Just complete rubbish players that need to be moved on.
Mid table set of overpaid shack, I can't believe we made no improvement in the window.

07 Feb 2016 01:06:59
Subotic and Lovren pairing may just do it. Think Gomez play CB too.

07 Feb 2016 02:37:13
Sakho has got progressively worse over the season.

06 Feb 2016 21:34:17
Hi Eds, if you had to estimate how many players were to leave in the Summer, how many would it be? A few, A couple or massive amount?

{Ed001's Note - if it was less than 7 or 8 I would be extremely surprised. It could be a proper cull.}

06 Feb 2016 21:57:11
Ed001 do you know if Klopp is pleased with the majority of the squad or just a few?

{Ed001's Note - I am not sure if he is pleased with more than about 3! Firmino is about all that's turning up at the moment.}

06 Feb 2016 22:02:09
How would you define a "proper cull"?

{Ed001's Note - clearing out pretty much everyone over the next couple of windows.}

06 Feb 2016 22:18:25
Thanks for the reply mate!
I think that he will Danny Ings could be a real star under Klopp and is perfect for the pressing game do you feel the same?

{Ed001's Note - yes, very much so, he was beginning to look good before his injury. I think Origi was just starting to blossom as well.}

06 Feb 2016 22:49:07
The problem is if we ship out 20 players (seem like a lot? when you take into account unwanted players, players out on loan and current first teamers who either aren't good enough or aren't suited to us, it adds up quickly - as Ed002 says, we have a bloated squad) and try to bring in 10-12 replacements is that we'll be absolutely killed with agents fees, signing on fees, loyalty bonuses etc. and it'll probably tell in the quality of replacements we can bring in. Not to mention writing off the first six months of the year whilst a whole new team beds in.

I don't want to get into naming too many names, but I'd say at least six current first team squad members, plus Caulker at the end of his loan, plus two or three out on loan and another couple like Enrique who aren't in the first team should be moved on. We also have to face the very likely prospect of losing Coutinho.

There's a couple of others in patchy form who I think will improve if there aren't comedy goalkeepers and walking freekicks on the pitch and they can concentrate on their own game instead of wondering what this maniac beside them is going to do next. I'd give them another season.

I think then we could restrict incoming signings to five or maybe six, which hopefully would give us some ability to get in quality.

06 Feb 2016 22:22:36
That would be a relief. Hope it actually happens.

06 Feb 2016 22:47:39
I just don't see Sakho as a long term solution at the back and he seems to always have mistake him do you think he's good enough to stay first choice for the foreseeable future?

06 Feb 2016 23:27:52
These are brendas players overpaid re tranfers an over paid wages the sooner jk sorts it out an ships them out the bloody beetter.

06 Feb 2016 22:37:10
Edd001 what's your take on henderson? I said earlier I think his injury is holding him back and his injury is a long term thing he manages.

{Ed001's Note - I think he is struggling with it, he is not himself. Maybe he needs to be playing the holding role for a bit to settle in.}

06 Feb 2016 21:00:47
Going off the subject of the ticket price increase l. I have supported Lfc for over 40 years. And it breaks my heart to admit that for a while now Anfield is the easiest place for opposition teams to come to. It used to be a fortress, but now no teams fear coming here, not even those who are in a relegation battle. I don't know if Klopp is as good as we expected, but if he is, his priority must be to turn Anfield into a place to be feared again.

06 Feb 2016 21:26:45
We won't know anything about Klopp based on this season in my opinion. He needs time to get this shower organised.

06 Feb 2016 23:33:22
And whether to use soap or shower gel!

06 Feb 2016 20:45:48
I really think that a proper quality keeper and phasing in Smith and Flanagan would make a huge difference to our defence.

Clearly much work is needed behind the scenes, just as much as in trimming the squad.

We have to move away from throwing money around on terrible deals to make any kind of sustainable growth and progress.

06 Feb 2016 21:02:42
Well there's 30 million again wasted on Clyne and moreno. Both who can't stop a cross nor put a cross in. Terrible buys they have been.

06 Feb 2016 21:27:54
It's all about having a decent keeper, Mignolet creates panic and indecision in the defenders.

06 Feb 2016 22:52:03
I don't see Clyne as a problem, but it's nice to have an able replacement in Flanagan to rotate in and to step up if his form dips.

I've completely lost confidence in Moreno. Fine athelete, good enough technically, but he's a complete non-entity defensively and makes bad choices with the ball. Smith should be instated as first choice LB right now to see can he handle it and hopefully save us having to buy a left back in the summer.

06 Feb 2016 22:58:46
Big Al, did you watch the game today? You can highlight he's weakness all day, but Moreno was one of a couple who played a good game today.

06 Feb 2016 23:49:46
I want to see young ward given a game.

Flanno can do the job at RB or LB.

I think Clynes okay but i do like Moreno problem is he struggles with defending and Flanno is my favourite defender we have. Hopefully he will be phased in!

Would be interesting to see gomez also when he's fit slowly brought in to see how he does as before he got injured looked class!

07 Feb 2016 01:39:41
Clyne is fine. Could be better going forward, but he is pretty reliable defensively and is getting better in attack.

Moreno has great pace and skill, he just seems to make incredibly stupid decisions. Not just reckless challenges in defense, but he's also quite stupid in the final third, constantly trying for glory strikes that he always misses, when a simple las

He did it against Leicester -- Firmino sent him in, and with literally 4 reds in the box, he skied a shot like 10 feet high and wide, rather than passing.

And he did it again today. He was sent in, and rather than making a simple pass across to Firmino for the tap in, he again stupidly tries to blast at a bad angle, and misses.

The contrast between Firmino and Moreno in the final third is stark on our 2nd goal.

Firmino, instead of seeking glory after closing/ pressing and creating his chance, he runs in and self-lessly passes across for Lallana who gets an easy tap-in.

THAT is called quality, awareness, composure, and class.

Moreno, Henderson, and the rest, should be forced to watch video of Firmino's pass on our second goal over and over again. They all seem to constantly and selfishly go for glory and miss terribly, than choose the better, easier, choice, which is a pass to a teammate in a better position.

06 Feb 2016 20:40:47
Lot of respect for Mignolet today, he joined the fans aswell by leaving the ground on 77mins.

06 Feb 2016 21:46:02
Love that. Respect.

06 Feb 2016 20:34:04
I'm all open for a debate and seeing two sides but why should I or fans who go watch the game make a side for the club's hierarchy to increase the price When they didn't see two sides in increasing the price?
Did they look at reducing the wages of huge underperfoming earners? Players that aren't getting us into champions league, actually scrap that, players that are taking us to our lowest position in many years? Did they look at sacking people within the club who are piss poor at their joB?
No the first thing without any thought was punishing the fans. We didn't hire Rodgers and sack him giving him a large pay out. We didn't massively overpay on players continuely, getting us nowhere and we paid to watch that rubbish and paid for new merchandise, supporting a team that hasn't given us much to shout about.
And as for fans saying it's hard on the players. I'm sure they'll take that excuse really because half of them haven't underperformed the entire season and they walk away with a weekly pay packet most fans couldn't save on their life time. It's hard on the players to witness a few hundred fans leave. What about us fans constantly witnessing what we are consistently watching on the pitch left from a man the club in a mess that fsg employed?

Without the fans there is no Liverpool fc. Without fsg, liverpool fc remains. Get it 👍.

06 Feb 2016 20:50:40
Without Fsg Liverpool will be sold to another type owner.

06 Feb 2016 21:05:41
I think the walk-out aspect of the protest was a bit foolish, I personally didn't like that idea. I got a bit excited in the live chat after that defensive capitulation, sorry Eds, and fellow reds. Hopefully in the future the club will get the management it deserves, and prices will be fairer.

06 Feb 2016 21:08:18
Irish is that really your reply? Seriously?

06 Feb 2016 21:24:25
Yes Al that is my reply. What changes if FSG sell up? Nothing! A new owner with the same objective. A tidy profit. So your rhetoric of "Lfc remains" is correct but will be no better off and potentially worse off and that includes the fans.

06 Feb 2016 22:11:50
Maybe an owner will come in that actually has success as the main objective and profit as the second? Look at Leicester's owners, they have the fans close at heart and they care greatly about them. Who's to say we won't have the same kind?

06 Feb 2016 22:39:29
Irish it's not about fsg selling up!
My entire point was they are mismanaging the club in aim for success both on and off the pitch. Punishing the fans will do the club no good.

06 Feb 2016 20:24:39
The ticket price situation has been like a political debate with half stories coming from both sides.
Yes we all want a more switched on and profitable commercial side to enable us to compete off and therefore on the field but ideally not at the expense of the gate paying fan.
For my part I am a Kop season ticket holder and my ticket price has apparently been reduced or frozen so personally I could say "nice one" and leave it at that but I won't. Even though I don't think it is an ideal protest (as the team needs support at all times etc etc) I'm not sure what else we can do at the moment.

I will be walking out in solidarity with the fans it will affect to the extent that they will have to sacrifice something else to continue to go the games or just simply stop going.
I must admit I have been swayed back and forth reading the echo and also this site but I am now clear.

I'm in a rush now as must get ready to go the game so don't shoot me down if I get a few things not 100% correct but here goe's.

Read the full script about the new price structure, yes there is reductions and freezes, yes there is only 200 seats @ £77, yes there is some £9 seats (app 1,000 per game) 1,000 free seats (app 50 per game), however there is THOUSANDS of other tickets increased from £59 to between £62 and £75 and I think this is and should be the area of concern. 64% will be frozen or have a minor decrease but 55% will go up to a greater level.

Now think that the tv revenue that will kick in the same time as these increases is going up by 50% from £5.5 BILLION to £8.3 BILLION, the total increase in the ticket hikes creates £2 MILLION extra, if the club can't decide not to increase prices now when will they?

For those who are thinking I'm ok Jack think again, next year it might be you and your seat that is affected!

Let's stick together fellow reds and remember our mantra

YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE.

06 Feb 2016 20:10:05
Eds reds my opinion- defence just not good enough- move them on - get new defenders in. Yes I know more change- but the alternative? More of the same. Hope klipperty has a plan.

06 Feb 2016 20:37:20
No defenders will do better with Mignolet behind them I'm afraid and everyone knows it.

06 Feb 2016 21:35:40
Ron I would include migs with the defence. Agree totally.

06 Feb 2016 19:54:33
Irrespective of what happened (scoreline) after some fans walked, fair play and total respect to them.

06 Feb 2016 19:41:49
I personally give my full support to those supporters who walked out today! I am not from Liverpool and hardly get to see games live, if at all due to money and not having the time to travel up to Anfield. I earn more than say the average person from Liverpool does and yet I still can't afford it due to husband and father commitments! I can imagine how the local fans feel! This is a really silly move and to alienate the fans (especially local ones) is going to have some serious repercussions! As for the result today. that is down to 2 factors- Mignolet is really crap and our defence is just as bad! We really have to endure this until May?! This is going to end really badly!

06 Feb 2016 19:30:50
Well done to everyone who walked out today, made me proud to be a red! Have heard there was some dodgy goalkeeping and defending late on, but today wasn't about the football it was about showing solidarity and fight for something you believe to be wrong, I've felt totally disconnected to Liverpool fc for a while now, but today I felt we started the ball rolling to get our identities as fans back and not be just patrons to a franchise. It's going to be a long road reds but we've been here before haven't we and we will continue to show the same unity and loyalty in the face of greed that we did when Hicks and Gillette were here, today was the start in taking back our club, because at the end of the day that's what it is OUR CLUB!

06 Feb 2016 19:46:03
Agree with you 100%. I get a feeling those slandering the protest don't go the games, or at least haven't had generations of hard working families go before them.

Maybe it's just the middle class who get to enjoy Anfield. Not the poor, not the OAPs on a state pension, not the working class. Liverpool is a working class city who stick together. SO proud that shown through today.

06 Feb 2016 19:57:42
So someone that has felt disconnected from the club decides to stage a protest to prove a point. Wow sounds like a disgruntled mistress. Silly fans that bought into this 77th walk out. It could have been done differently. But by your statement Waro you have proved that this was just about you seeking attention and had nothing to do with football.

06 Feb 2016 20:14:08
Spot on, Footy. The wLk out was a dumb way of protesting. People are free to protest but walking out on the players that had nothing to do with this is just dumb.

06 Feb 2016 20:24:27
Footy, you've got nothing to say and your saying it to loudly. Don't try and twist what I've said to suit your own agenda. You've got no problem with what's happening at the minute but haven't got the balls to say it.

06 Feb 2016 19:19:08
Hi Ed001,

Was speaking to a friend today and he says FSG's long term aim is to sell Liverpool to make a profit? Do you see this happening and is it likely they'd cash in at the highest bid regardless of who it is taking control?

{Ed001's Note - yes and yes.}

06 Feb 2016 20:05:05
That's meant to be 2017 right? Or could that potentially happen this year if a good bid comes in?

{Ed001's Note - as soon as the money is offered I would think.}

06 Feb 2016 20:13:08
Starting to think it may be for the best and hopefully the new owners will be more in tune to the club and football in general.

06 Feb 2016 20:15:36
Ed 02 has mentioned that FSG want rid and they will sell as soon as the time and offer are right.

06 Feb 2016 22:13:30
We just have to hope they don't sell to practically anyone. Remember that horrible time we had cowboys as owners?

06 Feb 2016 18:53:58
Fair play to everyone today that walked out 77 quid for a ticket is daylight robbery . Maybe for some on here who can afford 77 quid an think its fine were does it end if we take it now what's to stop them going up again once they no well pay that .

And whoever thinks the walkout today cost us the game don't make me laugh how many people leave games early to get the bus or train or wat have you do we throw those games away?

Also any having a go at the people who did stay think about people come from all over the world for 1 chance to see us don't blame them for not leaving early .

06 Feb 2016 18:59:43
When people leave early it's the odd fan. Maybe 1000. I was in the main stand and at 83 minutes about 10 seats to my left were empty. I reckon almost half the stadium emptied. The only part of the stadium where you couldn't see massive gaps in the fans was the away section! The atmosphere was just shock. I don't think anybody left behind could believe what they'd seen. Hats off to Milner for staying behind on the pitch after the game to clap everyone who stayed though.

06 Feb 2016 19:18:49
The walkout made me feel shame. To call themselves 'supporters' and then do that is beyond comprehension. Hope they are happy with the end result at 90 min.

{Ed001's Note - yeah but they are more in tune with the true meaning of the club than you are. Makes me feel shame to read these kind of posts from people trying to be superfan.}

06 Feb 2016 19:39:48
Like I said I'm not slagging off those who stayed but don't come on here making it out like the ones who left aren't real fans I watched the game online it looked like about 10,000 left . The players I'm sure we're all well aware it was gone happen henderson liked a tweet about it for god sake so there would have been no shock to the players was mignolet looking in the kop when Johnson hit the free kick . I take it from all this your happy paying whatever price fsg tell u to pay .

{Ed001's Note - nice to see Carra with the fans who walked out too.}

06 Feb 2016 19:51:46
Would a legend like carra be doing that if he thought there was nothing wrong with the club fair play to henderson to he liked the tweet then unliked it hel prob get a talking to but theses are the guys we are paying to see an there obviously in support of us.

06 Feb 2016 20:03:34
Some people will do anything for attention, even walk out of a game and cause a distraction in a game that requires full concentration and behave as if they are fighting for the club. The people who walked out of that match should have a lifetime ban placed on them. Lfc don't need these sort of supporters and that goes for the eds aswell.

06 Feb 2016 20:14:11
Come on, footy. I'm no fan of the walk-out and really have little issue with pricing for next season either as it has some redeeming qualities that are being glossed over, but even I would never say Waro (sorry to use you as an example, Waro) is not one million percent a Liverpool supporter through and through. Really poor post.

06 Feb 2016 20:18:57
Footy are u having a laugh mate what would you have us do just pay what we are told to and be good wee boys an girls . U can go all over Europe and get good value for your why should it be different here we need to make a stand now .

06 Feb 2016 20:28:21
RDL did you see Waro's confession that he for some time has felt disconnected from the club. How can you be disconnected from the club but be 100% committed to it?

06 Feb 2016 20:29:56
I agree with the fans protesting and making their feelings heard but I don't agree with walking out on the players who had nothing to do with the dreadful decision.

06 Feb 2016 20:31:49
Footy the next time we do this why don't you come to the ground and let people know exactly what you think of there actions FACE TO FACE!

It's easy to be brave sat behind a keyboard, back up what you say with actions as you clearly feel passionate about this subject by asking for us all to be banned.

06 Feb 2016 18:48:00
I thought we played some good stuff in the 2nd half. Pretty strange atmosphere after the walk out, it certainly didn't help the team. Having said this I agree with the fans on one level but FSG are pumping 100 million into a new stand are they not?

06 Feb 2016 19:01:09
They are and giving each manager loads to spend, but hey they should just do that, it should be one way.

06 Feb 2016 18:59:05
Dont think they are Morgan. Is it not being paid for in the long run by naming right? Maybe Ed001 could shed some light on it?

{Ed001's Note - correct, it is.}

06 Feb 2016 19:51:07
It's being funded by a no-interest loan via UKSV to the club. It will be paid back over time or when the club is sold. At this point I'd pretty well expect the club to be sold before the loan is fully repaid.

{Ed001's Note - the naming rights are expected to cover it.}

06 Feb 2016 20:23:30
You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think that any owner doesn't want a profit and return on an investment. Very few are in it for the love of the game. Our owners have spent big on players in true faith in the past. I'd suggest bad advice on transfers has been our problem. Would you prefer H&G? I blame the huge wages personally. It's sick what we pay that rabble that played today, half of whom are on holiday already or looking for a transfer in the summer. Our owners are ok.

{Ed001's Note - and yet they are the ones paying those huge wages.}

06 Feb 2016 18:44:12
Please let someone convince Klopp to give Ward a chance now as he can't do much worse than the other two keepers and their perpetual errors.

06 Feb 2016 18:03:23
Eds if you're around I've tried to search for ralf fahrmann on the search engine but nothing came up. We've been linked with an endless amount of goalkeepers but he seems to have slipped under the radar. I think he's a good solid keeper and pretty agile for such a big fella. And he's been ranked by bild and kicker as the best keeper in Germany last year I think it was. Any thoughts on him? Or interest from Liverpool? Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - no idea.}

06 Feb 2016 19:20:08
He's certainly good on fifa.

06 Feb 2016 17:51:17
Hi eds, who in your opinion would you bring in as a goalkeeper for Liverpool? Love to know your opinion thanks.

{Ed001's Note - Sirigu would be a good option.}

06 Feb 2016 18:02:26
Thank you! I myself have thought that Karius might be a decent option.

06 Feb 2016 19:28:04
Do you no if We would be interested ed? Infact it's far to early to even answer that mate.

06 Feb 2016 20:35:21
We'd better be looking for a new GK or give Ward a chance because the one we have now has cost us goals approaching double digits and a whopping FIFTEEN points this season if you believe the stats.

06 Feb 2016 17:35:19
Just want to say I thought the protest was brilliant today. To see the amount of people, who have had enough of being taken for a mug and ripped off, get up and leave was fantastic.

This is not a protest on whether we can afford to go, it is protest to support those who can't afford it.

Modern football has a ludicrous amount of money involved. But to take more from the working man is kick in the teeth. I hope today was the start of a fight back to bring the cost of the games down to an affordable level.

A final note. we are not "Customers" Mr Ayre. We are the lifeblood of Liverpool FC. Owners come and go, as do staff, players and managers. But the supporters are always here. Always. We aren't to be treated like kids wanting the next iPhone, or a family going on holiday. This is far more to us all than any of that. Calling us customers shows how out of touch you and the rest of the board are with the large working class fan base of Liverpool.

06 Feb 2016 17:41:13
To pay there money for a ticket and walk out of a match with 13 minutes to go dosen't make sense why pay your hard money just to walk out over ticket prices just don't go in the first place and empty stadium is far more effective.

06 Feb 2016 17:49:24
Doesn't really send a message to anyone, they're not sustaining any losses. Would make far more sense to have stayed longer after match or boycotting it altogether.

06 Feb 2016 17:54:14
Because the price increase only comes in next season. We haven't paid the extra and walked out.

If we don't go, there are plenty of people who can afford to go in our place. The stadium would never be empty. To price people out who have been part of the club longer than anyone making the decisions is just plain wrong. People seem to forget football . Especially the nothern clubs, was once a working mans game.

06 Feb 2016 18:14:31
Was once, isn't anymore. Footballers just to have jobs as well as play football. They don't need to anymore, it's all millionaires out there playing and sitting on the bench. The sport has moved on.

{Ed001's Note - that's ok, because people like you will just keep feeding them more so they can be like that.}

06 Feb 2016 18:46:36
Haha people like me. You really think a handful of people walking out after handing over their money will change this. These players going to suddenly not be paid six figures a week?

If these bright sparks want to make a point, don't go, don't buy the merchandise or stay after the game and protest.

What has today achieved? It's left the players walking alone, it's giving negative press, just what we need. Are FSG out of pocket from today?

Keep this level of support up by leaving games and see how long Klopp stays. See what players we can attract.

{Ed001's Note - they will certainly have more effect than people like you running along and paying through the nose just because you are rich enough to afford it and not caring about the main portion of the fanbase who can't afford it. But its ok, just so long as you privileged few can afford it right?}

06 Feb 2016 16:48:04
Just want to say well done to those who walked out. In an age of corporate greed and big business imposing its will on the general public, its extremely heartening and refreshing to see the people standin up for what they believe.

Something tells me EMS wouldn't of followed through and booed. Keyboards make crumbling heros.

06 Feb 2016 16:59:51
I wish I'd have stopped watching after 77 mins.

06 Feb 2016 17:05:40
Be interesting to know what the players think / thought? We were 2-0 up. Of course this dasy n age you can't say what you want for fear if offending someone.

06 Feb 2016 17:29:31
Am sorry I understand that the pricing isn't fair and something needs to be done but all the walk out has achieved is ruined our game today and cost us two invaluable points. How that is helpful to anyone I fail to see. It visibly effected us and hence Sunderland got a major boost. We were cruising and comfortable until the walkout. This is a fragile season for us at the moment and a good comfortable win could of given us much needed confidence instead our players have another head dropping thrown away draw to endure. Klopp is trying to adjust to his first season here and needs our support at present. I and my brother were at the game today. I'm sure there was better ways of demonstrating. When we are mid table at the end of the season and these same people are moaning that it wasn't good enough, well then they can just thank themselves in part.

06 Feb 2016 17:48:26
No I started singing YNWA just like I said I would and half the stadium joined in.

That walkout clearly affected the players focus. 'Supporters' have cost us the game. Embarassing day to be a Liverpool supporter.

{Ed001's Note - if you think that cost us the game, then you are the embarrassment.}

06 Feb 2016 17:54:42
Im pretty sure the fans would not mind paying higher ticket prices as long as they got to see top players strut their talents on the pitch and deliver good results. But the dross that is being served to the fans (customers as FSG call us) is not doing any one any favors. People will be willing to pay more for quality products, not for watching the likes of Flappy Mignolet and headless chickens like Milner and Lallana. If the cub had been challenging for major titles, i very much doubt there would have been a walkout. But who the hell would be comfortable with paying more money for an inferior product?

{Ed001's Note - it is more than that.}

06 Feb 2016 17:59:11
Ed001 we are 2-0 up, fans walk out, the performance visibly drops, players looked distracted, we concede 2.

Refusing to blame the walk out is just defending the indefensible. Mignolet was poor for the second but they wouldn't have been in our half if the teams performance hadn't dropped. The stadium was a ghost town after the protesters left. Everyone left behind was just in disbelief and everyone around me who stayed was saying it was a disgrace. I ran into an Everton fan outside the ground and his exact words to me were "That's not what Liverpool are about". We let the club down.

{Ed001's Note - seriously you are so full of crap I don't believe a damn word you say. You never started the YNWA, I very much doubt you have met an Everton fan nor do I believe you were even there.
Moreno gives away moronic free kicks every single game, regardless of walkouts, so how was that the fan's fault? Migs lets in the first shot almost every week. Again how was that the fans' fault? The disgrace is every one like you who comes on being all smug.}

06 Feb 2016 18:02:44
Ed01- I don't disagree with you very often but being there it obviously effected us. Our heads dropped and Sunderland got a huge lift. 77 minutes and we go from comfortable and cruising to just being lost just a coincidence? Am sorry but I think not. Watch the players keep looking into the crowds! As I easy I'm all in support of the need to change but that cost us dearly which ever way you look at it. I fail to understand how that will help in any way.

{Ed001's Note - so what? They are meant to be professionals. Secondly both goals came from similar routes to the goals we have been conceding all season long, so what is the excuse then? It is ridiculous to blame the walkout for crap players letting us down and a poor sub decision from a stand in.}

06 Feb 2016 18:04:16
How embarrassing EMS.

You should be standing side by side with those leaving. Those who can't afford to go next year. Those sick of being taken for a ride by the rich and corporate greed.

Or does singing You Never Walk Alone not mean anything?

06 Feb 2016 18:07:11
Nonsense EMS, a useless GK and that clown Moreno were the main reasons for losing the match.

06 Feb 2016 18:09:58
What cost us the game was mignolet letting that free kick in and letting Sunderland back in the game. It's a shame that some fans don't know that fsg is taking are fans for mugs.

06 Feb 2016 18:10:08
Totally agree EMS, just an embarrassment. Does anyone really think FSG are going to care if you pay for the ticket and then leave early? They have your money, what did they lose? Bit of bad press?

We lost 2 points after that happened, FSG still got the ticket money. Which member of Mensa thought this one up?

{Ed001's Note - you obviously are so far up your own backsides that the pair of you have no idea of bad publicity and what it can do

06 Feb 2016 18:21:20
It had nothing to do with the walkout we capitulate on a weekly basis, our back 5 is average and in my opinion our midfield lacks real quality, the worrying thing for me is that we seem to need 4-5 quality additions which seems ridiculous after the money that's been put in over the last 3/ 4 years.

06 Feb 2016 18:22:49
Yes there was issues for the goals but if there wasn't a distraction the mistakes wouldn't of been there its simple. We were cruising until that point and Sunderland didn't have an answer until the walkout which caused us our rhythm.

{Ed001's Note - how on earth can anyone believe that when we make those mistakes every week. Or do you think there is a walkout every week?}

06 Feb 2016 18:06:09
Our defence looked like conceding before 77. Even before our 2nd goal.

06 Feb 2016 18:49:14
To those who are stating that the walkout cost us 2 points.

If that is the case, keep it coming.
Just proves the club, any club, need to ensure they look after those who pay their hard earned money to come and watch.

Fair play and huge respect to those who walked.

06 Feb 2016 18:50:43
Ed 1, if you cannot see the protest had an effect you have no right to call anyone, yes its the same mistaes we have made all season but Sunderland were no threat until then.

the problems we had ae still there but getting 3 points today would have helped confidence now the club if on its knees again.

{Ed001's Note - then the club might want to take a look at the fans' issues rather than trying to bully them perhaps? Sunderland were still no real threat, other than our errors giving them chances.}

06 Feb 2016 18:52:40
Omalleylfc, I can't remember a shot on target before the 77th minute lol. Keep trying to absolve the deserters of any blame though.

06 Feb 2016 18:59:43
Ed1 - nobody can say that we haven't had problems but that had no bearing on todays game. We were barely threatened prior to the walkout. Its impossible to say that it didn't effect our game. You only have to watch Firmino to realise that. If the walkout didn't happen we would of cruised to a 2-0 or 3-0 victory. For all I agree with the sentiment of the protests the application was poor to say the least. A sit in after the match would of cost fsg more money, the game would of run its course and I'm quite sure more fans would of participated which would of made it a bigger statement. On the effects of this protest and the game we will have to agree to disagree.

06 Feb 2016 19:13:35
Ems that's been a problem of ours for a while now we slip up over an over doesn't matter if it's the 7th or 77 min these are professionals I don't get distracted at work over people walking out an I get a hell of a lot less than them.

06 Feb 2016 19:36:25
I don't blame the fans for walking out. They didn't ask for ticket prices to be hiked up.
I took a lot of abuse for not walking out and even witnessed some racial abuse sadly.
Still I don't blame the ones who walked, it was a peaceful protest against an injustice.
Hopefully the message hit home.

06 Feb 2016 20:14:39
EMS, I can't believe you truly believe the walk out cost us the goals and if you don't believe but say it just so you can say "I told you so" well that's even worse.

06 Feb 2016 20:48:07
Did I see 72% possession first half and one shot on target?
Surely not?

06 Feb 2016 14:50:48
Ed 1 if your around. Would a sit in protest about price increases not be a more suitable protest. As you've supported the team for the entirety of the match. But by not leaving on time your costing the club money through them not being able to shut up shop on time meaning they will need to pay extra wages whilst your sitting in. Would this way not divide fans opinions as much.

{Ed001's Note - I personally think that would have been a better option, yes.}

06 Feb 2016 14:56:30
As I think a lot agree the rises aren't justified some don't care but many on both sides seem to see it as a dirty protest in my opinion.

{Ed001's Note - the problem is far too many are only looking at this as a product on the pitch.}

06 Feb 2016 15:03:36
The way I see it is that it's already expensive to attain a ticket maybe even overpriced. Then if you do look at the product and factor that in its well over priced. I believe we have good owners. The problem being they don't really know what they are doing and have received and paid for terrible advice during their tenure.

06 Feb 2016 14:39:49
Wonder what will happen if Sturrige is bought on in the 76th minute.

06 Feb 2016 15:32:15
Hamstring injury.

06 Feb 2016 14:10:32
Leicester City reminds me of our 13/ 14 season very entertaining to watch take a bow Leicester.

06 Feb 2016 14:31:06
except they can defend.

06 Feb 2016 15:05:39
And they have a manager who will know what to do in a game that they need to win . not like BR.

06 Feb 2016
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06 Feb 2016 13:54:25
Will there be a minutes silence around all the games today in rememberance of the Munich disaster as its the anniversary?

06 Feb 2016 15:09:58
It will only be quite in Manchester I feel . and that's nothing to do with Munich. Well done Leicester. goes to show that money isn't the answer it's about playing for your shirt and as a team not a group of overpaid money grabbing tarts . hope JK takes a not out of Claudio book .

06 Feb 2016 13:10:59
Klopps to miss Liverpool game today due to a appendicitis. Hope he recovers quickly.

06 Feb 2016 13:06:46
Just a thought, £2 million increase in gate revenue works out at £38,000 per week, why not divide that by say 20 first team squad which equals approx £1900 a week, ask the players to take a knock on their wages, they won't feel a thing! OK I am being flippant and it won't happen but it outs into into context and is food for thought isn't it.

06 Feb 2016 12:27:33
Get well soon kloppo!

06 Feb 2016 12:40:13
Here here.

06 Feb 2016 12:19:10
I'm a supporter of LFC since 43 years. Never been to Liverpool. Never been to Anfield. Never seen a LFC live game. But have been a manic supporter and follower, through initially football magazines and newspapers, and then later through television and now the internet. I know one thing and it is unquestionable in my mind. The foundation of any football team is its local fan base. Its the root. Its where any prosperity and growth the team/ organization can ever hope for, comes from. I watched as Alex Ferguson came along afterwards with his team and took over the hearts of English footballing minds after the roaring LFC 70's. All their commercial successes, and clubs and bars and endorsements deals exponentially grew their fan base. But it all started in Manchester and then spread throughout the country. I'm a businessman who makes a product and sells it worldwide. So I know all about pricing and "the customer is always right" and the risks it involves.

My warning to FSG is to be careful and not alienate the local fan base. And I can't stress this enough. The company accountants will tell you its 2 Million extra in the coffers with little risk to losing eyeballs in the stands during games because there is enough demand for tickets and enough waiting on the lists. But this is the way they are trained to see it. FSG management should see it differently. Their strategy should be to increase the number of people on the waiting lists, through winning on the field, off the field, and taking their fan base along with them on the ride. This is the only way to nurture and grow an organization that has one of the richest histories in the English game.

I can afford a season ticket at any price, if I was living in Liverpool. But that's not the point at all. FSG can handle any number of controversies as it wants, and as it has done as we have seen. But a confrontation with the local fans is the last thing they should be be even considering.

I don't know if I would walk out or not, if I was there, honestly. But if I felt the fan base was being disrespected and taken for granted by my favorite team's management, I would begin to question their business sense, their concern for the fans (what's it like to own a football team with empty stands during a game, by the way? ) and just their desire to maintain harmony and support with their local fan base. It's not a really difficult thing to do. Like for example, let the 2 Million go for now and not pay over the odds for the next footballer being brought into the team. It would balance out. I don't know if the Eds would agree with me, but it's clear to me that thus far, while having big pockets and being generous with the team, FSG have been very far from showing good financial management. Spending the right amounts at the right times is a minimum that is expected at this level of the game.

Just adding thoughts from someone who is not locally affected by the ticket price controversy.

{Ed001's Note - it is not difficult to see the difference it makes running a club and keeping the fans happy - look at Leicester. Tickets are kept artificially lower, they spend money giving out freebies, vouchers for drinks etc at every match. They keep away tickets down. They do it all because they know that is the recipe for success, not fleecing the matchgoers and destroying the atmosphere. The money in the Prem comes from TV companies and they want good atmosphere or they will stop paying the money.}

06 Feb 2016 12:50:00
Fully agree Ed001. You've got to know your business really really well and know what makes it tick. You've got to know the pulse of your fan base. LFC is an integral historical and cultural part of the city of Liverpool, and since a long long time. The owners, whoever it may be, should be smart enough, recognize it, and build on it. Not try petty stuff that creates unnecessary controversy and ill feelings, no matter how small the number of people being affected, is. I would add one other angle to this. American sports team owners are accustomed to regularly increasing prices. It's a fact. And even going to the extent of simply picking up their team and moving it to another city. I'm not trying to start anything here, but just citing what could be the mindset or base behind FSG thinking - what works and is done in America.

06 Feb 2016 14:02:30
I paid roughly £36 for decent seats, but not the most expensive, to watch a pre-season friendly between LA Galaxy and FC Shirak last weekend, so you are correct in that Americans (speaking in general) might have a bit of difficulty understanding the complaint about pricing structures over there. Don't even ask how much season tickets are for an NFL team.

06 Feb 2016 11:36:50
I sometimes feel waro can be quite confrontational and exasperate his points but I've got to say I think he's almost 100% right on this.
I've only been to 6 Liverpool games in England, 4 in anfield all through expensive packages which was expensive but I didn't really mind as obviously it's not that often.
I don't agree with the sentiment that perhaps there should be a Max ticket price of any price really. Let them do their £5000 pound commercial packages and have vip tickets whatever they want. The people buying them are a minority and can afford them. It's clear the atmosphere in anfield is not on a regular basis what it was and like it or not the working class locals being priced out make this noise and as Ron said its not about filling the stadium for one match or one season but for the next fifty and that anfield is packed even for a rainy Tuesday league cup tie against Carlisle.
And as waro and Ron have said the increased price on tickets will barely cover a players wages. Adding the extra near 20000 seats or what have you that will add more revenue than increasing ticket prices if the seats are filled, and again not for the next season or two but next decade or two.
The TV money which gets talked about, this is on the brand and basis of the premier league being the best and having the best atmosphere. Well again anfield has been in a decline in terms of atmosphere, other clubs are having a similar problem too so what does that mean for the TV money going forward if the problem continues? As a huge part of watching a football match on the telly is the atmosphere it's what draws you in!
Finally on the walkout it's a tough one personally if I was there I wouldn't (probably because who knows when I'd be there again) but it is probably the only legitimate form of protest that may be heard so while I may not like watching it later I can certainly understand.
While I've effectively only reiterated what has been previously said I've seen these posters receive a lot of stick so only right I give my support.

06 Feb 2016 12:13:22
Thank you Shane. 👍.

06 Feb 2016 11:24:20
I just want to send best wishes to Waro and anyone else taking a stand, i admit I wasnt sure it was right but with a few days thought I think its absolutely the right thing to do, corporate fan atmospheres and plastic flags are not what Anfield needs,
This club is founded on more than that.
Good luck fellas YNWA.

06 Feb 2016 12:15:22
Thank you also Richie👍.

06 Feb 2016 10:14:59
In my opinion (and this is exactly what I'm expressing) NO football ticket should EVER cost £77, no matter what. Add that to the fact that the extra revenue will add basically nothing to the club as a whole, it just reeks of greed.
Not slating the owners as on a whole I think they have pumped money into the club and they have backed the manager, but this seems to me to be a sly move to slowly start raising all ticket prices.
I have NEVER agreed with any kind of walkout or strike but some times drastic actions need to be met with the same.
Our mid table performances and results are already alienating some fans, why would you chance alienating more just to make a few quid.

06 Feb 2016 11:15:27
If they're not earning a lot more from it how can it be greed?
Everyone is so focussed on these £77 tickets, which are going to be mainly for business men and corporate. The club is charging the wealthiest people attending the game more money. This is allowing them to freeze a lot of ticket prices, reduce many, allocat 1000 tickets for local schools and 20000 to local supporters. If anything this should be seen as positive. The club are ensuring that local supporters get to see the game, ensuring that it is real fans who come to the match.
As Liverpool fans we expect the club to buy the best players, build a great stadium and offer a lot to the fans. Without Champions League or the same Commercial power we once had other options need to be looked at.
We need to realise that the other top 4 clubs charge big money on tickets to receive a decent revenue in larger stadiums. We need extra revenue, even if it is just £2m.
Dont even bring up City having cheaper tickets, they are owned by mega rich owners for whom revenue is not as much of a problem.

06 Feb 2016 11:43:15
Anfield Andy, well done on not understanding 1 iota what this means for the fans in future. I give up😭.

06 Feb 2016 11:58:55
Sorry Waro, but I think Andy is spot on. The club know that some people will spend more to get a ticket, so they satisfy that demand to keep prices down for 80% of the ground.

It is no different to any of the other top clubs (that we all want to be able to compete with in the transfer market) .

However we do need to keep those tickets to a minimum to avoid the atmosphere being like it is at FA Cup games.

The club should do more to get young local lads to the game though. more schemes for schools local clubs, etc so that what we have all grown up loving about the club survives.

So for me, as with lots of things in life, it is all about balance! Some tickets for those willing to pay for them, but whilst doing all we can to keeping the majority of tickets affordable.

{Ed001's Note - again missing the whole point. Always the nonsense about how it enables the club to compete, when it doesn't.}

06 Feb 2016 13:10:26
The price increase has not meant we will compete financially no, but it has enabled the club to offer 1000 tickets to local schools to enthuse the fans of the future.
It has enabled the club to ensure 20000 local fans at every home game get a ticket. And has enabled many proce freezes or drops arpund the rest of the ground.

In the future we will all pay more for what we get, as every football fan will.
Yes, I wish I could take my sons to the game and not have to work overtime just to afford it, and yes I wish there was a cap on the maximum a club can charge, but in reality I know some things won't change.

I am all for the club remaining loyal to us and finding a way to make it more financially viable for us. I believe that increasing the ticket price to the wealthiest and corporate to reduce or freeze others is a decent way to do this.

06 Feb 2016 17:27:54
Hang on Ed, how can you say it doesn't help us compete?

We have been hamstrung by smaller attendances for the last 10 years. We need greater match day revenues so more capacity will generate more revenue and then we can create more revenue to compete. By having some of those tickets be more expensive allows us to hold some prices lower so that existing fans can still attend whilst still generating more revenues.

How can increased capacity with some at increased prices not help us compete?

{Ed001's Note - it makes very little difference, otherwise Man Utd would be miles ahead and Leicester would be bottom, as they make the least from their matchday attendance.}

06 Feb 2016 17:51:37
Come onEd. We can have differing views but this makes little sense. Utd with 20000 more capacity than us (albeit prawn sandwich eaters) have out performed us for the last 20 years! This year (after misspending £200m) they are trailing Leicester. So what! They will outperform Leicester over the next 10 years because they generate more revenue!

I have loved LFC for over 35 years, but today is not 30 years ago! Successful teams have to be successful businesses! We may not like it, but it is reality! The challenge for fsg is to grow revenues whilst not losing what makes us special (the fans) . That is not easy! But this move of increasing 2000 ticket prices and keeping over 30000 the same seems to be an attempt at balancing that issue!

{Ed001's Note - if that was so, why do Borussia Dortmund, with the biggest capacity by a country mile in the Bundesliga, not have much more money than Bayern? It is a tiny proportion of income, same in the Prem. Sorry but you are not talking reality because you fail to understand the business is to make money through online streaming rights and TV rights, which requires good atmosphere. I hate this 'it's a business' crap, the most successful clubs in the world are all fan owned and have cheap tickets. Barcelona and Real Madrid you can get tickets for next to nothing. This is just lies from rich owners, who should not even be allowed to be owners as they are meant to be clubs owned by the fans.}

06 Feb 2016 18:12:33
Ed, I don't have the in depth knowledge of the running of a club that you do, this is true. However I fully understand that revenues are derived from a varietyy of sources. Although ticket sales may not be the biggest source it is a source, and should be maximised. An additional 20000 capacity with an average ticket price of £60 would create £20m per season at a marginal additional weekly cost. So it would generate meaningful revenue for the club.

We absolutely have to maximise revenue from other sources and we are probably not doing well enough at that, but given we are increasing capacity I won't criticise the owners for doing it in a way that maximises revenue whilst assisting them for maintains prices for the hardcore fan that is the lifeblood of the club.

It is interesting that you highlight bayern, Dortmund and barca. All have capacities nearly doubling ours. So they have more freedom in pricing as they can generate revenue due to such capacities. If we had 80k capacity we could generate much larger revenues at a far lower cost per ticket. We don't! We have half their capacity and have to maximise the revenue we can generate or we will fall even further behind!

Please don't get me wrong. I want to compete! Really I want us to win! To do this we need to maximise revenue! However I want to maintain the beauty of what we are, which first and foremost is the fans, the atmosphere and Anfield! But this is avert difficult balancing act in the current climate! I would gladly pay £77 to watch my team if that enables the vast majority of prices to remain the same so that the lifeblood of the club continues!

{Ed001's Note - why does it have to be maximised? Explain that to me. Come on, tell me how having lots of money helps the club do better than it is, when we have spent ridiculous amounts and achieved nothing. We do not need to maximise revenue, we need to build a fanbase for the future, like the really big clubs do. Seriously you think it is numbers of seats that set the ticket prices, yet our price increase coincides with an increased number of seats and a monster new TV deal. Clearly I am wasting my time if you think like this now.

You believe Dortmund and Bayern have low prices because they have big stadiums! Bless you, it is not like you couldn't have found out for yourself that you are totally and utterly wrong on that front. Bayern don't fleece the fans because they know they are needed. Hell they even rescued 1860 Munich and let them share the stadium to stop them going out of business because it was the right thing to do, not because it made them money.

There is no balancing act needed, we do not need ticket money, as the clubs themselves admitted in the past. It is pure greed to keep hiking the prices, not necessity.}

06 Feb 2016 18:13:26
If we had a stadium the size of Alluanz or the Nou Camo things would be very different!

{Ed001's Note - no it wouldn't. The prices are going up as the capacity increases. This is pointless if you don't see that.}

06 Feb 2016 18:38:17
Ed, we have certainly not invested well in the last few years. But having 30k less capacity than the mancs for the last10 years has seriously impacted our ability to compete.

I am not saying that we couldn't have done other things better, and if we had then ticket price increases may not be justified. But if we are adding 12k capacity then having a couple of thousand at prices that people will pay is not the end of the world if the majority of prices stay the same.

We obviously have different views on this which is ok. I wish we had revenues to compete whilst lowering prices, but I don't see that as realistic. I am also not naive enough to think FsG don't want to make money. It is a different era and as much as we might wish for the past it won't come. If we had 80k capacity we could create similar revenue with reduced prices. But we have limited seats and any business in that scenario will try to maximise costs.

Listen, we don't agree and you have undoubtedly more insight than me do you are probably right, but from my view I do t object to increasing some prices if most stay the same.

Have good evening, and I will continue to live your work and the site :-)

{Ed001's Note - no it hasn't. It is nothing to do with the capacity that we have failed to compete. We already make the revenue to compete but we have wasted them for years. That is what should be fixed rather than fleecing fans.}

06 Feb 2016 18:47:22
I won't argue with you on that ed! When I look at what we have spent over the last few years it is shameful! And yes, if we had spent more wisely we probably wouldn't need to do anything because we would still be a perennial top 4 club.

So I will not argue that there are far more urgent things to fix than ticket prices!

Have a good night and I appreciate the discussion.

{Ed001's Note - exactly mate, and it proves that it is not going to change as they are doing it to coincide with increased capacity. Night mate and cheers.}

06 Feb 2016 07:49:37
I'm still behind our owners on most things. And always have been, but when it comes to the treatment of a certain aspect of fan, then some of the ipad waving divvies on here will never grasp things.

06 Feb 2016 10:49:43
Ive never been behind the owners. There is something just not right and us the "customers" will suffer one day.

06 Feb 2016 01:06:11
Ian Ayre addresses the media on new LFC ticket structure
goo.gl/iQMjr1

06 Feb 2016 06:25:59
Seems to me i have been duped by some on here with regard to the 77 pound tickets. Only for 200 seats at only 0.6% of games or something to that effect. With free tickets for school children, half price tickets for 17--21 year olds and the same for 1000 locals per game.

The season tickets have gone up to just over a grand but not being a season ticket holder i do not know how much they were before. About the same as you would pay for a years council tax and you don't get as much enjoyment out of that.

Well i suppose they have tried to address the affordability issue and offered a range of pricing. So what is your solution waro, this is a genuine question, what is your alternative to what the club is proposing? Debate not argument please.

06 Feb 2016 08:33:23
I would quite happily pay 1k for a season ticket, but there is no chance of me getting one.
Getting a ticket through the membership scheme gets me maybe 2 games a season.
Other than that, I have had to do package deals which cost several hundred for my wife and I.
If you don't want to pay it, don't pay. Very simple. There will be thousands upon thousands who will happily take it off you and probably sing a lot louder.

06 Feb 2016 09:19:25
Tristan- Maybe there will for 1 week or even a month or even a season. But will they commit every week home and away for years/ decades?
No disrespect but I doubt it and that is why local fans are an essential part of the game IMO.
I'm sure there will always be exceptions too.

06 Feb 2016 09:26:39
A fair price for fans across the board not just Liverpool fans! Football is the only industry that raises prices at times ten fold on inflation, we're in a time now were most people do not get a pay rise because it's an employer's market ATM.

I'd consider a fair price to range from £10 to a top price £35 IMO, my season ticket price will be frozen next season so the new pricing won't affect me, but should a minority of fans subsidise another? My answer is no, and once these top range prices are in don't for one minute think that they won't bring the majority up to that level in the near future because the club will no doubt feel in a few seasons time that the pricing is unbalanced and want to bring parity across the whole ground. ONCE THEY GET THESE TOP END PRICES IN, THEY NEVER GO DOWN ONLY UP.

Where making a stand now because (a) it's unfair to ask a minority to subsidise a majority and (b) to protect pricing for future generations of Liverpool supporter.

Let me ask this, do you not find it strange that the club are putting in place these top end prices of £77 just before the biggest ever TV deal comes into effect? Smacks of making the books look more attractive before they sell up, which I'd be ecstatic about by the way but I'm not prepared to see it at the detriment of the fans in the future.

EMS you seem to be the one who's doing the most dare I say it whining in support of the owners, maybe one day you will be a grown up and not have the bank of mum dad subsidising you and you'll have kids a mortgage utility bills and loans to pay for, let's see your reaction to massive rises in something you do in your social life with what little disposable income you have left after you've paid for all of the above.

I would also now encourage you to boo the people around you today EMS, because I think a life lesson is just what you need mate!