Liverpool Banter Archive December 06 2016

 

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06 Dec 2016 21:42:09
Ed01, Slightly out from Liverpool but with the context of Defenders, What are you views on Carlos Puyol mate,
For me he is Barcelona FC, A truly one generation player.

On the day of El-Classico, The man travelled to Chapecoense and attended the farewell of the players and staffs of the club.

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{Ed001's Note - I like Puyol, he was Barca's Carragher, if you like. Never the best technically, but made up for any deficiencies by giving everything.}

07 Dec 2016 01:28:50
Great player.


{Ed007's Note - My Mrs loves his mum, Barbara Streisand.}

07 Dec 2016 14:29:24
Puyol is Barcelona through and through. Started his career for Barcelona and Spain at RB before moving to CB. Not the most talented, the tallest nor the quickest YET extremely smart, powerful in the air and a true fighter. Great player and role model of what can be achieved with hard work, dedication, and determination.


07 Dec 2016 22:53:55
Barbra Streisand now that's funny. Uncanny even.


06 Dec 2016 21:39:05
Hi eds, banter please.

I was reading a guardian article today talking about Brendan Rodgers's role in both convincing Moussa Dembele to move to Celtic rather than one of the bigger clubs interested in him and then also improving him as a player and I had a couple of questions I wanted to ask Ed001 if that's ok? Basically, Rodgers is meant to have won Dembele over with his vision of how he'd improve him as a player, and he apparently used Sturridge, Suarez and Sterling as examples of attacking players he made into real top tier players. This also made me think Jordan Henderson's dramatic improvement, and also something I'd read about Rodgers improving Gerrard's form when he first came in by realising that he had reduced his head movement whilst playing - I have no idea how this helps, but it was meant to have helped.

This made me think what factors there were in the improvement of these players. For example, Henderson has a reputation as a very hard worker with a huge desire to improve, so his improvement could have always been in the pipeline. Also, a striker is traditionally meant to peak around the age of 26-27, and that;s the age Suarez was coming into when he really exploded for us, so it could've just been a part of his natural improvement - he always looked like he was destined to be truly world-class. However, Sturridge did improve dramatically at still quite a young age when he joined Liverpool land Rodgers, but this could be down to his previous lack of opportunity in his favoured role. So, what I wanted to ask Ed001 is a) whether he thought Rodgers did a good a job of improving players as a coach whilst at Liverpool, despite his short comings as a manager of a full team? and b) Whether Rodgers was liked as a person by the players whilst at Liverpool, seeing as he seems to be getting on with his players well at Celtic?

Sorry for the long winded post, and I'd really appreciate hearing your thoughts.

Keep up the good work! - lktimlk.

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{Ed001's Note - as a coach he is very good. That is why he initially got his shot as a manager. Though, like you say, how much of the improvement was down to him is open to discussion. All of those players were ones who work hard on their game anyway, and are always looking to improve. Having said that, wanting to improve is one thing, you still need someone to guide you into improving the right things.

He was initially very well liked by the players, in many respects he was still very well liked after he was fired. The issue was more one of him losing their respect by claiming the credit for everything good while shifting the blame for everything bad. The final straw of allowing his coaching team to carry the can and be sacked while he continued did not go down well either.}

06 Dec 2016 23:22:19
Hi .
If Rodegers was responsible for their "so called" improvement under him then he was also responsible for their subsequent loss of form and confidence.

The one thing Brendan is good at is self promotion. And media management.
Houllier was the same claimig he discovered stevie g. Like he found him at tescos.
It shows insecurities in their character which are soon found out .
Every manager is ultimately judged on the quality and cost of the players they sign.
Rodgers and Houllier are a great example of this.

In my opinion that's why Rodgers went to Celtic as he is guaranteed trophies and champs league football.

Houllier went to psg who are far superior in France.
When Houllier tried his hand at Villa in the competitive prem. It wasn't long . before he was found out.
And the same would happen to Rodgers.

Though I hate to say it you have give
Moyes deserves credit for going to Sunderland.
Im sorry for going of topic and slagging people off but the older I get the grumpier I get.


07 Dec 2016 03:28:31
You have no idea why he went to Celtic, dermot. Give him a bit of credit - he wasnt the worst manager we ever had and no managerial job comes with a guarantee of success. Hope he does well up there.


07 Dec 2016 14:47:27
Dermot is spot on. BR is a good coach but lacks the humility and work ethic needed to succeeded at the highest level. he always seemed to talk a lot an because he did, he never seemed genuine and sounded more like a BS artist (I live in the U. S and we can spot them a mile away. That`s why he had so many broken promises to players about playing time and other stuff.

Klopp is loved mostly because he is honest and most of the time, tells it like it is. No BS, no tricks, just the hard truths and people can respect that. This explains why BR always blamed the players for his own failures as he is very insecure (like AVB, IMO), worried that they may get found out if they let their guard down by being outwardly honest.

Of all of BR`s flaws, it was the blatant dishonesty ego trips that used to do my head in. Great managers often show toughness and ego but even they, know when they messed up and are not afraid to acknowledge it in public. BR never did that. He would shift blame to the players or his assistants and players and fans can see through that BS as being passing the buck to save your own skin. That to me is what lost him the players, the fans and eventually, his job.

As for going to Celtic, we may never know why he went but you cannot rule out the fact that he went there because it`s easier to win trophies and play CL footie as you only need to play two VERY important games a season as in, the two legged qualifier for the CL group stages.


07 Dec 2016 16:15:59
I think ultimately Rodgers simply paid for not being able to go all the way and win the title in 2013/ 14. If we had won, then a lot of his misgivings and shortcomings would have simply been glossed over. That's the nature and the difference of how winners and non-winners are perceived by everyone (owners, teams, media and fans alike) . I have not seen a more divisive manager than Mourinho in recent times. Nobody appears to be more devious or Machiavellian than him. And yet, as long as he was winning (and he was winning everywhere he went), people accepted whatever he chose to say and do, and brushed everything under the carpet, while hailing him as the ultimate strategist and motivator. Now that he is no longer a winner as before, the talk has changed and even words such as "his time is gone" and "he's looking for a way out of town" are being voiced. So that's how it goes. I'm not defending Rodgers in any shape or form (I wanted him out too) . Just saying that if he had been able to go all the way, our perception would have been altered. History is most kind to those who win - lesser to those "almost-made-it" types.


07 Dec 2016 17:12:18
Yes we should give credit where it is due.

BR did a good job with us and almost took us very close. The two things that ultimately decided our fate was:

1. Hendo's red card against MC

2. Gerard slip

If not for these two incidents who knows what would have happened.

One big thing against him was his press conf where he used to gloss and always said some positive shit.

It could be inferred in two ways.

Sometimes honest criticism can help players and improve their perf

Sometime positive backing inspite of poor perf would also help in motivating the players to improve. He used to the 2nd option which did not go well after some time.

Let him achieve some good at Celtic b4 taking up a more challenging assignment.

Good luck to him but he got a super player in MD there.

Cheera.


07 Dec 2016 17:36:57
Totally agree, Ra. Had BR won the PL that season, his shortcomings would have been forgiven at least for a couple of years. But it was his arrogance that cost us the PL and yet he himself, didn`t see it that way so he never tried to change his approach. He believed in his own hype and kept on being smug, arrogant and passing the buck for his failures and that wore thin and got him sacked. Even for Mou, his pathetic and divisive antics has worn thin and no big club wants him any more, great resume notwithstanding. Frankly, Mou is old news.


07 Dec 2016 18:20:10
I think it's pretty common knowledge he's a good coach.
Tactical acumen and versatility are different qualities.
He did a good job coaching some players.
He was a victim of his own near success and ego after 2013/ 14.
Had he won it things might have turned out differently.


07 Dec 2016 20:02:21
I will always be gratefully to Rogers for bringing Coutinho, Firminho, Clyne, Milner, Can, Origi, Sakho and Sturridge to the club. Don't get me wrong, he also brought some poor players as well, but overall I am happy with most of them that he brought.


07 Dec 2016 18:44:13
Dermot i get your points but he cannot be all bad, despite my loss of faith in him towards the end i still wish him well for the future. None of us are perfect and he deserves a chance at redemption.


07 Dec 2016 20:42:32
He hated Sahko, didn`t know how to use Firmino (played as a winger), played Can out of position and nearly ruined him, and Origi was playing out wide and so was Ings hence IMO, he gets a C- for transfers as it took Klopp to come in and make these players better, something he couldn`t do yet he signed them. Just setting the record straight.


07 Dec 2016 21:20:42
Had to laugh at that Hamilton. He's is a BS artist and we in the US can spot one a mile away. Donald Trump anyone? I'm not saying you're wrong but that just made me chuckle!


08 Dec 2016 14:11:53
Pips, I chuckled to your post myself. Donald Trump IS a BS artists and we did see him coming from a mile off BUT his voters didn`t care and voted him in anyway. Now he is pulling back on all the BS he was selling. We know one when we see one.


06 Dec 2016 21:07:34
Arda Turan (die hard pool fan) has just created 1 and scored 2 in front of the entire Liverpool squad. I'm not saying it is nailed on, but it must be nailed on right Ed002? ;)

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06 Dec 2016 21:19:51
TBH Adam the player is available and if Liverpool are willing to part exchange Coutinho, Barcelona chief would drive him to Anfield 😎.


07 Dec 2016 06:05:37
Arda Turan is a die-hard Galatasaray fan. He said he supports Liverpool for our European pedigree.


07 Dec 2016 14:57:07
The Arda Turan ship has sailed. Didn`t he get booed at the Euros by his very own fans?


07 Dec 2016 17:13:35
yeah both Arda and Ken Aguero .
both of them are missed every year here.


07 Dec 2016 18:48:29
Not sure what to make of the bonding trip to watch football but each to their own. Pleasantly surprised to see joe gomez there, i would have thought he would have stayed behind to play the u23s match and improve his fitness but obviously klopp sees him in his future plans and wants him to bond with the rest of the team which is good news. Maybe he is closer than we thought and we may negate the pressure of having to look for another defender in january we shall see.


06 Dec 2016 20:30:18
Evening all, how does everyone think we'll react against West Ham? I can see them getting torn to peices as we get back to winning ways personally, they're there for the taking.

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06 Dec 2016 20:48:26
Hope your right st but after their mauling by Arsenal I expect them to shut up shop and counter attack.


06 Dec 2016 21:00:58
They are terrible at the moment and we could push Bilic to the exit point.


06 Dec 2016 21:21:03
Personally I think they will pay for the mistakes we made the other day and we'll give them a smashing, we need to get back into it and Liverpool will want to go all out, but who knows, West Ham are terrible at the moment, but they need results which make them a dangerous team to play like the rest.


06 Dec 2016 21:24:36
Good to hear from you Square.
West Ham could be a tricky game I think. Conceding 4 is never good and Andy Carroll looking to reap revenge on us could lead to a tough game.

On the other view. We look fantastic going forward and if we keep it up for the while 90 mins we're certainly score a few.


06 Dec 2016 21:46:09
West Ham will defend and try to use Carroll to bring In the game. West Ham have been rubbish this season so it's going to be hard game.


06 Dec 2016 23:04:08
They really shouldn't test us at all I expect them to start fast but get drowned out.


07 Dec 2016 14:59:41
They will park two buses and hoof it to Carroll whenever they can. We need to be patient and stick with the team even if things aren`t going right during the game. I will avoid frivolous predictions for now as we thought Sunderland would get a hiding and we all know how that turned out.


08 Dec 2016 10:44:57
West Ham's defensive organisation is atrocious, even if they sit very deep the players they have, and the way Bilic sets them up, makes them hugely vulnerable. We should be looking to smash them to pieces - we have the quality and they lack the defensive steel - I hope we do the damage we are capable of.


06 Dec 2016 20:10:16
Kind find WBA line up v Lpool 23s. Anyone anywhere 🙄👌.

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06 Dec 2016 23:44:28
I think the team have had a roasting and wh are going to reap the whirlwind .
Get your bets on for a 5/ 6-1 victory, no clean sheet to keep the moaners happy.


06 Dec 2016 19:46:29
Just been reading the comments and post match reviews that people have been writing here the last couple of days.

My main reason for posting is regarding our CB's. a lot of people criticising Lovren and Lucas for conceding the goals.

Lovren for me has always been a poor CB since joining us and I never saw anything from Southampton to prove otherwise either.

As for Lucas, I think he has made some mistakes in his makeshift CB role but arguably looks comfortable there. I think given time with a CB he can rely on next to him he can and will do a quality job. I think people are being harsh on him particularly after Sundays game.

I think Lovren, Origi and Karius were the guys who let us down but its a team game.

Personally I would love to see Lucas and Matip build a partnership.

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06 Dec 2016 20:24:50
Jah, if you are mentioning 5-6 players who cost us the game, does that not mean that this was a team the whole team was responsible for the defeat because mentioning and slating individual players who individually and collectively made mistakes that led to goals make no sense?


06 Dec 2016 20:58:16
Lucas is not a defender, consistently out of position and makes rash challenges to make up for it.
I know everyone loves the bloke and wants to crowbar him into the team but it should not be as a defender.


06 Dec 2016 21:04:18
Lucas is better than klavan by some distance. Lucas also is a better passer of the ball. He is not the quickest. lucas had nothing to do in the first 70mts largely because Liverpool pressing high. I don't think we have anyone good at the back except Matip when we are pressed by an opposition.


06 Dec 2016 21:47:41
Are you mad Origi was great for 75mins . Than mane what off and the boy was all alone.


07 Dec 2016 02:59:45
The team was responsible for letting Bournemouth back into the game but it was individual errors that allowed them to win. It's a collective defeat but certain players have to do better.


07 Dec 2016 19:01:17
Didnt origi lose give away the ball for one of their goals and basically stood still and watched them run up the pitch and score. He was good in patches but he needs to work a little harder and be more switched on. i'm sure they have all learned a lesson and will improve for the next game, this is still an evolving team and i think once we win the league cup they will start to think of themselves as winners and grow in confidence and push on for the title.


06 Dec 2016 15:40:44
Would love mahrez on the right and mane on the left firmino through the middle. i think klopp could get mahrez playing some stuff. But klopp will have his own ideas lol. Hope we ojo gets a run from the bench to get a look at him when fit. I'm fearful going forward without coutinho atm.

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06 Dec 2016 15:49:43
Getting Mahrez would be a dream, even though I have no idea if Mane would be just as effective on the left. But getting Mahrez would go a long way in ensuring our continuity in the face of injuries or departures (Coutinho, Firmino, Sturridge) .


06 Dec 2016 15:50:16
Despite the fact that in the 3.5 games we've played without Coutinho we've scored 2, 2 and 3? Despite not having Sturridge or Lallana either?


06 Dec 2016 15:55:46
Couts` absence did not stop us from scoring 7 goals in three games so I`m not too worried about that, overall. What I`m worried about is the meltdown that could happen again if we start taking our foot of the gas during games, thinking they have been won already.


06 Dec 2016 16:03:56
I agree with you Hamilton and Hjikle. We're doing absolutely fine in the attack department without Coutinho. We haven't missed him that much. But I have an eye (perhaps prematurely) on Europe next year, and a deep bench never hurt any team. But at the same time, I would prefer to solve the CB issue first (we are one good CB short regardless of whether it's team or individual breakdowns) . If given a choice between taking Mahrez or a good enough CB, I'd take the CB hands down.


06 Dec 2016 16:07:41
Mahrez and Mane on either side of any striker would be excellent. Coutinho dropping into the middle pulling strings just like David Silva with Henderson and one CM holding the line that's more like a complete package. It would mean our CM need not go high up the pitch.
Mahrez posses everything and is woirkhorse of the ball. Perfect klopp player.


06 Dec 2016 16:27:14
I would love Mahrez as well as he is just quality and with Klopp coaching him, he will only get better. But firstly, we do need a more than capable and experienced CB to play alongside Matip, one who can hold his own and a calming influence if he has to be paired with another CB.


06 Dec 2016 23:07:39
Mahrez's form has dipped a fair bit so there is a risk involved, but if Coutinho makes an effort to push for a move in the summer then personally I would do everything to get the biggest possible fee, and try to use most or all of that money on a major push to sign Mahrez, with the strong likelihood of him nailing down a starting place- plus playing CL football- as an extra incentive.
There are few if any players who could replace coutinho, but the quality and the threat offered by Mahrez would go a long way to making up for phil's loss.


07 Dec 2016 03:10:06
Whilst we might lack a bit of genius creativity or 'something out of nothing' without coutinho we still score goals and plenty of them without him. I think we would be in danger if 2-3 of them started getting injured then we should be worried but right now, lallana back and everyone else is fit apart from coutinho and studge who wasn't even playing anyway. Even last season our problem wasn't in attack, it was defence, goalkeeper and midfield to an extent. So my main concern is the defensive side to our game, not so much personnel but how exposed we are at the back. It obviously has something to do with our system going forward, but the midfield have to do better at stopping a lot of the attacks at the root and the defence and goalkeeper have to deal with them a lot better. I don't think we are well drilled defensively, especially dealing with crosses in open play or set pieces. This has been a problem before Klopp and still to this day. I hope we improve this, because if we do I think we will win the league, even with high level competition.


06 Dec 2016 15:30:49
anyone seen much of jordan pickford? I've not seen much myself, but he seems good from what I have seen.

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06 Dec 2016 16:15:05
CLASS keeper. they all are until they sign for us.


06 Dec 2016 16:27:59
He`s too young to be judged as a class GK, IMO. He does have great potential and upside.


06 Dec 2016 20:59:05
I think Butland will be a great keeper.


06 Dec 2016 13:12:50
Matip back in first team training in Barcelona. That is good news but at the same time it's crazy we only have one centre back we can depend/ rely on.

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06 Dec 2016 13:49:33
That may be true, Danray. However, the system we play is described by Klopp as, "If you`re not an option, you are protection". That is the Klopp style of counter-pressing. It means that if you are a defender, midfielder, or striker, you can`t just stand around just because the ball may or may not come to you. You have to affect the game offensively and defensively. Therefore, because we are always on the front foot, dominate possession, create and convert chances almost at will, the opposition is too busy defending. This is why our CB`s and GK have very little to do and what ever they have to do, they do well. Before getting in a Matip-type CB to play with him next season, we must never waiver from this system (laced speed, intensity, passion and determination) as it has gotten us this far. We have seen what waivering from this system can do (Bournmouth) .


06 Dec 2016 14:59:27
Absolutely, Hamilton. I'd just like to add that just as much as the system, it's the execution of the system that really matters. There are so many ways of playing football around, but if you get the team buying into a sound style/ system completely, then the results can be amazing. Nothing pathbreaking about what Leceister was doing last year, but they had the players and executed Ranieri's vision consistently without letup, and to perfection - they simply took off with the title, against all expectations. And what we saw in the last 15 minutes against Bournemouth was LFC collectively playing neither an "option nor protection".


06 Dec 2016 15:38:23
We didn't waiver from the system, we just weren't very good for 15 minutes. We cannot dominate games 100% of the time, therefore we need a defence which can withstand the pressure when we take our foot off the gas. With Matip in the team we have that, without him we don't.


06 Dec 2016 16:17:04
Spot on Muscat.


06 Dec 2016 16:21:47
My point exactly, Ra1969. Execution at ALL times leads to championships as our system WORKS. Muscat, we did waiver as in, stopped doing the things that put us in the commanding position we were in. Listen to Klopp`s pot match comments and the Ed`s responses and you will see. Also, we were more than good enough to see out the game as we had seen out tougher games than the Bournmouth game vs Chelsea, Swansea, Arsenal, Palace and even dare I say Sunderland and Leeds already this year. It was also the same defence and system that had pummeled Bournmouth for 75 minutes where they had prolly one shot on target the whole time, so the defence is not the issue. The issue was that we stopped pressing, dropped our intensity levels and invited pressure, knowing full well we had a makeshift back line. Inviting pressure will only cause chaos regardless of who you have in your backline which is why teams very rarely do it. We are not built to invite pressure hence, the system we play. Klopp already alluded to this. And had we seen the game out and won 3 or 4-1, No one would be talking about our defence.


06 Dec 2016 15:44:36
Thanks for the match of the day analysis. We are a better team with Matip in it and we can't depend on what's in reserve. It's pretty simple.


06 Dec 2016 17:28:19
Fair enough, Danray.


06 Dec 2016 19:32:36
Hamilton, sometimes you make Harry look coherent, what's your point? That if we play really well we'll win games? That if we don't concede goals no one will say our defence is bad? If we were 'more than good enough to see out the game' then we would have seen out the game, instead we conceded three goals and lost, that's a pretty strong argument that we, in fact, weren't good enough. There are many factors that contributed to that happening and one of those is a defence that folded like a cheap suit. This is a problem that will bring Klopp much concern and he will absolutely be looking for a solution.


07 Dec 2016 03:26:20
I agree with muscatred, whilst we did drop of the intensity and we lost focus, it is impossible to expect 100% from the players the whole 90mins, we play the hardest system in the league with very intensive training sessions week in and week out. You can't reasonably expect the players to constantly carry out the system for the whole 90mins for 38 games. I know you understand that we will lose some games but what you are trying to do, and have been ever since the Bournemouth game is deflect the attention of the actual problems with the team, which is the defensive side to our game, is was a problem before Klopp and it's still a problem with Klopp. If our system enables our defence to not have very much to do, yet when they are called upon we either concede or look very shaky, that is bloody concerning to me. The defence (midfield, defence and goalkeeper) must be able to deal with attacks much better than they are at the moment, it's quite simple. We have conceded the most goals out of the top 8 teams yet you say our system enables our defenders to not have much to do, so does something not seem right there? I'm not saying it's the personnel per se, especially in defence as I think we would be very good at the back if we where properly drilled there but I don't think we are. I cannot say the same for midfield and goalkeeper as I'm yet to be convinced by Karius and the midfields defensive contribution but I will support them and will give them time. We are the best in the league going forward but defensively we are the worst out of the top teams on par with maybe city. These are facts mate.


07 Dec 2016 07:46:59
Here's my twopenneth:

The way we play at the moment is brilliant. Great entertainment, in your face full on attacking. The object of the game is to outscore your opponent and that is how we play - I wouldn't change it.
But! Due to the style of play, we have to accept we are going to have periods in the game - usually at the very beginning or the very end - where we will be under pressure. How the team deals with that is crucial. With Matip in the side, we seem calm. Without Matip we go back to 'panic mode'. Everyone out of position, crosses flying into the box, last ditch rash tackles etc etc.
This is the area of the game we need to work on and we may even need to tweak personnel in January.


07 Dec 2016 10:03:49
Agreed, absolutely ron. If we want to win the league we have to improve it, one way or another.


07 Dec 2016 15:51:04
Kman, improvement is always needed regardless of performance but that was not the point I was making. My point was thatwe should stop fixating on the defence too much as that is a red herring. I`m taking a wholistic view of the situation. The defence is not the great wall of China and that is normal due to the system we play, one that had us possessing the joint third best defence in the PL before the Bournmouth meltdown. Our system works and the defence improved as a result. Now regarding Sunday, we had Bournmouth completed smothered and the defence was doing its job until the last 15 mins. For our system, every body has to press and defend and when we stopped doing that not because we were tired as we weren`t, but because we thought the game was won and we got caught cold. That is where the issue is and Klopp already alluded to it and I agree with him. singling out defence, midfield or GK is to me, a false argument to describe a much bigger problem. Could we have defended better or managed the game better? Of course and we can always improve even if we had won. But the system got us to being the third best defence in the PL before that game so to your point, we have been well drilled provided we don`t relax and if we do get tired, Klopp should make the changes to protect the lead, something he`s done with success all season as this is the only game we`ve lost from a winning position. all in all, yours, Muscat and Ron`s posts are valid arguments to make.


Assessing The Premier League Title Challengers

06 Dec 2016 12:50:14
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Assessing The Premier League Title Challengers

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06 Dec 2016 13:39:15
Fresh and insightful article.


06 Dec 2016 14:37:25
Fantastic article Ed01. Good work mate.


{Ed001's Note - thank you Harry.}

06 Dec 2016 16:47:55
Very good ed, enjoyed reading it.


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06 Dec 2016 17:40:49
Great work as always, Ed01. Bravo, Monsieur!


{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

06 Dec 2016 18:01:25
Another good read ed spot on if I might add
Up the pool.


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06 Dec 2016 19:36:41
Thank you for your insight and effort Ed001!


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06 Dec 2016 20:33:54
Brilliant ed1 mate.


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06 Dec 2016 23:26:46
Great analysis, Ed. Can i ask, did you include Man Utd because you believe they are still title contenders? Its not even halfway through the season but i think they are already too far behind to have a chance.


{Ed001's Note - no one is really too far behind yet, certainly not a team that has a huge budget to spend in January and a manager who has proven to be adept at winning by any means necessary.}

06 Dec 2016 23:38:20
Spot on Ed Tks.
But what about Leicester? ?

And if possible, what do you reckon the top 4 will be?


{Ed001's Note - Leicester are in trouble mate, their players have lost focus on the league. No idea what the top 4 will be now to be honest. It will change a lot I expect.}

06 Dec 2016 12:01:10
Last night, Carragher basically reiterated what I said in my post on Sunday. When our team does not press enough, the defenders are exposed. The only difference is that HE blames Karius while I blame the defenders as well. I say when the team is not playing well, the defenders, including the keeper, should do their job properly.

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06 Dec 2016 13:24:24
Even our midfield isn't that good when protecting our defenders. Once sadio came off Bournemouth didn't fear us anymore and decided to attack us in numbers and they were easily bypassing our midfield.


06 Dec 2016 13:55:30
"I`m sure Jaime Carragher has been criticized at least once in his playing career" - Klopp. Perfect response. Did he blame Reina his first season when his two blunders nearly cost us the FA Cup in 2006, amongst his several errors that season? Didn`t think so. The players in front of Karius were at fault for not continuing to play and press with intensity, all the things that got us the 3-1 lead. Blaming Karius alone is a pathetic red herring.


06 Dec 2016 13:57:17
Hate it when pundits copy and paste posts from this site mate! Don't worry LH9, we all know that Carra is a fraud and you are the real analytical genius ;)


06 Dec 2016 14:38:27
Carra is a fan after all and would love his boyhood club lift a title. 😍.


06 Dec 2016 15:50:29
Carragher has been speaking abit out of his ass recently regarding his comments on us. I'd take no notice and form your own opinion. The difference was Matip on how defensively bad we were.


06 Dec 2016 17:16:43
Kopitef I don't think you can flick a switch and suddenly they go from be scared to not just because Mane went off. They had to go for it and we allowed them to by not being aggressive or intense enough. The second goal was key, it got the crowd going and in turn got their tails up at a time when our intensity had dropped. That's what the best keepers are paid the big bucks for and on this occasion our keeper let us down. Let's hope he learns from it and improves for the rest of the season.


06 Dec 2016 16:30:01
Spot on, Big Al. He seems to be regurgitating the same media BS that poor excuses for pundits make. Not saying he should support us in his comments. just saying he should be coherent in his statements which if you read them in the Daily Fail, made very little sense.


06 Dec 2016 10:39:05
Hi Ed, I've seen a fair few questions recently asking your opinions of players in the PL. I was wondering whether there are any players in sides outside of the top 6, which you think have the quality to play for a better team (i. e. a side challenging for the title)?

My suggestions would be Payet or someone a bit more left field like Bertrand.

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{Ed001's Note - Leicester have Mahrez, Fuchs, Slimani and Okazaki. Possibly Mendy and Amartey as well.
Southampton have Fonte, Bertrand, Stephens (in the future), Hojbjerg, McQueen, Boufal.
West Ham have Lanzini, Edimilson and Fletcher. Payet has a poor attitude or he would be in the list.
Stoke have Butland (possibly), Arnautovic and Bojan.
Everton have Holgate and Gueye.
Swansea have Montero and possibly Mawson.
Watford have Deeney.
West Brom have Rondon.
Palace have Dann.
Bournemouth have Wilson.
Sunderland have Pickford and Kone.
Burnley have Heaton, Defour and Gray.
Boro have Gibson and Friend.
Hull have Robertson.}

06 Dec 2016 11:32:05
United have De Gea.


{Ed001's Note - aren't United 6th?}

06 Dec 2016 11:52:56
Ed01, Would you upgrade any of our current one's from that list mate?


{Ed001's Note - Mahrez and Gibson defo.}

06 Dec 2016 11:57:55
I guess Mahrez on the with Couts dropping to the middle and Gibson for Lovren.
What's your take on Gueye?


{Ed001's Note - I like him but he is not good enough on the ball for our system.}

06 Dec 2016 11:59:17
Yep, 6th and non title challengers.


{Ed001's Note - he said outside the top 6 mate.}

06 Dec 2016 12:44:03
I've always been surprised that Dann has not played for a bigger team - when Arsenal signed Gabriel and never looked at him I was shocked and would love to see him in red.

I know he's had a rough start to life there but I do rate Indi at Stoke from what I saw of him at Porto (which granted was maybe 5 games in total but still) .

Payet seems like someone that should be on this list as well.


{Ed001's Note - Indi? He can't defend. Payet has ability but a dreadful attitude. If he put some effort in West Ham would not be struggling half as badly.}

06 Dec 2016 14:04:16
Payet has always been a one season wonder at every club he`s been. Whether it be at St. Etienne, Lille or Marseille (now West Ham? ), he`s always had the one good season, which is normally the one that gets him a move. To me, he`s not good enough, doesn`t get stuck in, too inconsistent as he only shines when the team is performing. This explains the reason why he`s struggled this year, because WH are a mess.


06 Dec 2016 17:19:03
You don't half talk nonsense sometimes ED, Payet has created the 3rd most chances in the whole of Europe this season and constantly works off the ball, I bet the only bit of west ham you have seen this season is on 10 minute MOTD highlights -if you speak to west ham fans you will all hear them say he isn't struggling, he is the one bright spark, he has donkeys in front of him who cannot finish.


{Ed001's Note - if you say so, but all the West Ham fans, oh and a few of the coaching staff there too, that I have spoken to have all said he is not trying. You might want to check the West Ham site I have here, where the fans are moaning about him quite a bit. Or you could remove your head from your backside and watch the matches, like I have done, as see him sat on the floor complaining for ten minutes, like he did in their last match, after he lost the ball and making no attempt to get up and help out the defence he left exposed. It is not the first time he has done so. Perhaps you may only watch MOTD, but I don't, I never watch it, I hate highlights as they pick out whatever suits their agenda.}

06 Dec 2016 17:43:09
Or you could get owned by Ed01 the way you just got owned right there, Bootlered.


06 Dec 2016 19:27:12
of course he is trying, that is such a nothing claim. You slate people for exaggerating then claim he was sat there for 10 minutes? I watch quite a bit of west ham as my dad supports them and every time I do he doesn't seem lazy to me for a team that doesn't use the genpress as heavily as us. Do you not think he is told to hold his position and stay forward to increase their chance creation in the final third? not every team presses and chases like Liverpool. Imagine how good he would be if he tried.


{Ed001's Note - if you say so. You clearly don't watch him off the ball nor do you know what his instructions are, which are not to hold forward, but to help cover the full backs. He may not seem lazy to you, but your opinion is all that is, so I will take it as so and ignore it as your previous names have shown you to be an abusive a-hole only on here to make nasty sly digs at the editors, which is why previous names you have held end up being deleted. Good bye and don't bother me again Redsanity/bootlelfc.}

06 Dec 2016 20:26:44
Ouch!


{Ed001's Note - I missed off Suarez07 as well. He has been guilty of abusing Ed002 in the past and myself, under his various guises. At least this time he has tried to give an opinion and pick a fight, rather than just posting nasty abuse from the start. I guess that is a step forward, but I have no interest in conversing with him after checking back over his previous conversations.}

07 Dec 2016 02:01:06
Anihalated haha!

Bootlered you act and come across like you know what your talking about but you really have no idea and make yourself sound stupid. Give up, that hole your digging is getting deeper.

Many people come here for the incredible knowledge of the eds, especially ed1 and 2. Before coming to this site I used to read the back of newspapers/ news sites and it's incredible how little they know compared to these eds here.

You give them abuse yet obviously you keep trying to come back. I think you just like the sound of your own voice.

To me the eds here don't get the respect they deserve and idiots like yourself don't deserve to be on such a website. People are quick to forget at times these eds do this voluntarily and I for one am VERY grateful especially to you ed1 your text/ articles make more sense then any other I've ever read football related. Same goes to ed2 in regards to her incredible transfer/ player knowledge. It's appreciated by the majority know that. Shame you have to put up with idiots like that guy from time to time.


{Ed007's Note - C'moan the (swear) Ed's!!

We never smoke or drink;
That's what the tabloids think,
We are The Footy Rumours Eds
Nananana
(Slow clap)
Show us yer hairy bum, show us yer hairy bum (to fade)

07 Dec 2016 07:52:01
Hahaha ed7.


{Ed007's Note - ;-) (yes)

07 Dec 2016 16:09:25
I share your exact sentiments, LFC16. The Ed`s are the reason I am much smarter when it comes to football matters in general than when I first arrived here 4 years ago and it`s all thanks to the great work of the Ed`s.


06 Dec 2016 08:58:47
What do you think of toby alderweireld Ed1 mate? - to me I think he'd be perfect with Matip. Will probably never happen like but it does cross my mind as a perfect partnership.

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{Ed001's Note - excellent player but he wants to play on the right side of defence, as does Matip.}

06 Dec 2016 09:06:02
Well that's just typical isn't it. Can't see us going for him or anything like that but them 2 together would be almost unstoppable, we can dream.

Cheers Ed1 mate.


{Ed001's Note - I don't think they would work as a pair. We need a left sided Alderweireld to partner Matip.}

06 Dec 2016 09:06:19
Spurs wouldn't let him for any price. They are poor without him at the back.


06 Dec 2016 09:20:23
Well you know more then me Ed1 mate :) -Is there anyone in particular you think we could go for (realistically) and that you think would be good for us? I can't think of anyone. Personally instead of loaning out Gomez (been talk about it don't know if it's true) I'd throw him in, he to me can be top notch.

True Harry.


{Ed001's Note - Gomez needs to rebuild his fitness and form. Injuries like that have been found to affect the brain, which changes the way the leg moves and has to be retrained afterwards. I would expect him to be months away from a sustained run in the first team at top level personally.
However, I don't think that is really the issue. The issue is Matip. If he is fit, then there are no worries at the back. If he is injured then we need someone calm and experienced to come in. Maybe someone such as Howedes or Raul Albiol. A left field option would be Scott Dann, who is a massive Liverpool fan and would give his all for the team. He has also shown himself capable of improving his team mates, remember how he made the drunken bum Roger Johnson look a top class centre half when they were both at Birmingham? Experienced, would jump at the chance, and would not stand in the way of Gomez in the long term, but not on the downhill slopes of his career just yet.}

06 Dec 2016 10:31:33
what happened to Dann, i remember a transfer window where a big club/ deal was expected for him and it died last minute, then he signed for a really obscure team right at the death?


{Ed001's Note - he had an ACL injury which ruled him out just as he was building a name for himself at Brum.}

06 Dec 2016 11:22:06
I'd like to know your views on Gibson of Middlesbrough ed. I've a few mates who are boro fans and they rate him highly.


{Ed001's Note - I like him a lot, if Boro went down I would like to see us go for him. He has the potential to be a top class defender. However, they need him and are highly unlikely to let him go in January, and he is not in any rush to leave.}

06 Dec 2016 14:06:39
The owner's nephew.


06 Dec 2016 14:08:00
I agree, Ed. I had heard a lot about Gibson but never saw him play. I have seen him play once vs Chelsea and oh my, the boy is a talent. Any CB that can make Callum Chambers look good as a CB partner is a talent, in my book. He was awesome. Some players, you don`t need to see them all the time. Once was enough for me to judge Gibson. I now realized why Chelsea are in for him. he`s a beast.


{Ed001's Note - to be fair, Chambers looked a top class centre half before his move to Arsenal. In fact his first appearance looked good too, then he had a bad game and his confidence evaporated.}

06 Dec 2016 15:08:02
Thanks for your opinions ed1.


{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome mate.}

06 Dec 2016 17:44:46
Thanks for the note on Chambers, Ed. I guess I never saw him play before his horrendous Arsenal days.


{Ed001's Note - welcome mate, he was very impressive though. There were a few on here hoping we would buy him before Arsenal did due to his performances.}

06 Dec 2016 18:55:00
Get DAgger back! YNWA.


06 Dec 2016 07:39:15
Would Fonte be worth it for £5m, as reported by a Portuguese newspaper via BBC Sport?

I know Ed001 said he was too old at 31, but at £5m or so, wouldn't that work for a couple of seasons?

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{Ed001's Note - he is 33 in a few days mate.}

06 Dec 2016 07:51:52
Very good defender. Makes his partners look much better Than they are. See Lovren and Van Dijk for evidence!

However at his age, and lack of pace I think he might struggle with a high line. Definitely the sort of mentality we need at the back. Just not sure he is the right player. At £5m it could be worth the risk. I think Lucas, Lovren and Klavan are struggling due to not having the pace for a high line though. So it is unlikely Fonte would have anymore luck!


06 Dec 2016 08:06:48
Fair enough, thanks for replies!

As Adam said, its just that he seems to bring out the best in his partners, especially given we have Lovren in the team.

My thoughts are that he could be worth it as a backup to the Matip/ Lovren partnership for the next season or two.


{Ed001's Note - two years younger and I would agree, he is an excellent player, but now he just seems to be looking for a big payday. The Euros seem to have gone to his head, to be honest. I would avoid.}

06 Dec 2016 08:12:46
Very very good player and one we should have bought actually 4 years ago. Calm, Composed and very matured Centre back. He is more like Carra to me. A captain and a leader. Him and Matip would be brilliant.


06 Dec 2016 08:14:46
I know this is not going to be popular at all here, but instead of looking far and wide, I think (and hope) Klopp will relook the Sakho situation. I get it that he's a strict disciplinarian and knows what he wants and what he doesn't want. One look at the bench against Bournemouth (Woodburn, Ejaria, Alexander) told me already that he was sending messages to the rest of the youngsters about what is needed to make it to the first team. We were all howling during the summer about how he was flooding the midfield with unnecessary players and yet there's no sign of Grujic, Brannagan, Chirivella - confirmed first-teamers according to the club website. He decided to put academy listed players on the bench. Fine. I don't think it's an ego thing with Klopp at all. He's clearly teaching Sakho a lesson. And I totaly agree that discipline is absolutely necessary with these kids (I'm almost 56 so anybody younger than 30 is still a kid to me, LOL) .

But maybe a re-assessment is required? Sakho is a regular discipline problem both now and in his previous team. But the man is also committed to this team, and there's no question about his dedication and efforts on the field. I guess every manager wants smooth sailing with his team, in terms of discipline and order. Can Mr. Klopp put up with some turbulence, in the name of solving a (serious) problem area? I don't agree that Lovren is a lost cause as many have argued. Maybe he just a bad game - I haven't forgotten the good games he has had. But maybe things would have been different if Klopp had looked at the bench and seen Sakho waiting there (instead of Klavan), when Lucas and Lovren were having problems in the second half? These are all open questions - not necessarily what I am proposing to be done.


{Ed001's Note - if he was a dedicate team player, Klopp would have forgiven mate. The problem is that he is far from that.}

06 Dec 2016 08:15:14
. He's quality and life spans in football aren't over even at 35, look at barry bazza, giggsy. Defenders aswel when partnered well can go on for a fair bit. Its the attackers that suffer more players like mane whose pace will go.


06 Dec 2016 08:22:26
Okay Ed001. It's just a shame and a pity. Waste of a good player.


{Ed001's Note - it is, but he only has himself to blame. He would be central to PSG's plans if he had a better attitude. The problem is that he lacks maturity, he needs to grow up.}

06 Dec 2016 09:08:21
I think eventually we will end up in our academy Southampton for a defender 😎.


06 Dec 2016 09:15:38
I'd rather want someone in their mid 20's, get a good 5 (or hopefully more) years out of them, 33 is towards the end, then we're in the same boat in a couple of years. We need 1 more solid defender, Carra like defender, we have Matip, we get someone to play alongside him (who's good) and we're laughing. Our defense could be complete come next season, I think Trent will end up taking Clynes place, but who knows when that'll be, he keeps impressing like he already has done it's just a matter of time. I don't know how the LB situation will end up, if it was upto me Milner would be there constantly for the rest of his career but it's not upto me, he's pure quality there.

Sakho would've been perfect alongside Matip but due to his stupidity he's knackered himself up and I really don't want to see him in a Liverpool shirt again, it's a shame, he can be excellent, but we don't want players like that at our club. He doesn't deserve to a player here. Something that does worry me though is who is going to take him off our hands? - Hopefully we get rid come Jan, waste of wages, waste of time.


06 Dec 2016 09:46:21
LFC16 - I don't think getting rid of Sakho will be a really big obstacle. There are certainly teams out there that can use his football skills and be willing to put up with his attitudes. That's for them to decide. We'll probably have to lose money on him, and I think LFC are prepared to do that now while they were not ready last summer. That's how it goes with players with discipline problems. Let's not forget Balotelli. Not only did we sell him below his value, but we bought him way below his market value, at the time, too.


06 Dec 2016 10:21:35
We will have to scout someone who plays in a high line defense and without an out and DM ahead. Or we will end up in trouble.


06 Dec 2016 10:43:21
The lad Gibson at Middlesborough has impressed me. Left footed too, would be a nice balance with Matip.


06 Dec 2016 14:10:32
Gibson would be my pick. Much better than the media darling Van Dyke who without Fonte, would be terrible.


06 Dec 2016 16:32:20
Virgil van Dijk would be an excellent partner for Matip IMO. He has concentration issues, but I would think playing alongside Matip and working for Klopp can eradicate those issues. He has everything physically and has the premier league experience to along, and if Matip and van Dijk and LFC's centre backs, the days of us getting bullied or falling apart under pressure would be long gone.


06 Dec 2016 17:51:38
Lovren has concentration issues too just like Van Dyke, something that contributed to our loss vs Bournmouth so why get a CB who is just as prone to the same issues as the one we are trying to replace? That simply makes no sense, especially for the fee we would be paying and frankly, I`m sick of signing Saints players. Might as well purchase the club as a whole. Sheesh!


06 Dec 2016 04:55:39
I think Carra made some very legitimate points about Liverpool's defence. Defence itself is not the team's problem, it is complacency. You don't give your goalkeeper so little to do for so many consecutive games because your defence is bad. While those games did involve Matip, up until the 75th minute Karius again had very little to do. Matip's presence perhaps would have snapped the defence back into the required composure, but if all the players can learn to stop being so friggin' complacent, a Matip absence should not be such an issue.

When Liverpool are focused, they defend well. But their two worst defensive performances of this season have come off the back of complacency against Arsenal and Bournemouth. For 75 minutes Liverpool defended Bournemouth with no trouble at all, they didn't concede 3 goals in the last 15 because they suddenly became bad defenders. The problem is Liverpool were like a cat playing with their food, but the cat got complacent and mouse escaped from the cat's jaws of defeat.

The complacency affected the whole team and perhaps started in the midfield. They eased off, and invited copious volumes of pressure onto the back four, who would've found it troublesome to manage even if they weren't daydreaming.

I expect the team to recover and start again. While this did happen a few times last season, they didn't really learn their lesson because they had nothing like a title race at stake.

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06 Dec 2016 06:31:19
Liverpool did not had anything to defend against both the teams. Bournemouth pressed us late on and we crumbled on the pressure. Pretty much the case with Arsenal as well. Carozla came in and started seeing more of the ball.
It's the press that's causing the panic in our box. We are brilliant in pressing the opposition which makes their life difficult to get out from their own box but when someone press us what happens?
Most of the managers knows our firepower and play a waiting game to counter us. Hardly anyone has shown any dare to press us and when ever teams have pressed us they have scored or made us loose extra ordinary.
Swansea first half.
We need to figure out a way how to resist a pressing team.


{Ed001's Note - you really do not get it, nothing like that happened with Arsenal, who are not a pressing team. Bournemouth tried to press us from kick off, yet we ripped them apart and totally dominated the game for 75 minutes. So there is absolutely no sign in either game that we need to figure out a way to resist a pressing team. Now if you had mentioned the Burnley game, that was the only time we struggled with a press. However, after that match a number of teams tried similar tactics and were soundly beaten, so, again, there is little sign that we have any issue breaking a press.}

06 Dec 2016 06:38:33
That is mainly because teams wouldn't come all out and press us and commit players forward. We are deadly on counter and quick running at them. They sit back and defend in large numbers and counter us.
There could also be a chance managers taking a risk at coming to us in the absence of Coutinho and ( Firmino was largely anonymous ) .


{Ed001's Note - so what you are saying is that we had the answer to the press then? Perhaps sometimes you should actually take the time to sit and reflect on things before typing answers Harry. You have complained we don't have the answer to breaking the press and then typed up why we have.}

06 Dec 2016 07:10:42
And what's your point mate, Just like other 800 posters here from yesterday night. Change Lovren and the world will come back to normal?
Some of the A line posters mock me of slagging ind players and then they want to rid both Lovren and Karius.

We will have to wait until January or Summer to have a defender change in that case. What if we beat west ham with more or less the same team?


06 Dec 2016 08:09:20
Harry, I think Ed001 (and the vast majority of posters here) are making the same point.

Try to make a coherent argument without constantly contradicting yourself and spouting nonsense. Ra summed it up perfectly yesterday.

Sometimes you do make good points, but because you spout rubbish most of the time, your good points get ignored.

Try not spamming the board too, less is more!


06 Dec 2016 08:10:56
Ed01. I saw your match analysis on the other page section and I would love this to write up a bit more on just player ratings mate. because a lot of time we just discuss how the goals scored and how the goals came in and we ignore at least 60% of actual game.
I saw a lot of posters picking up your word ". We left the gas. " But Y can't this team defend well against a relatively Bournemouth side who ain't blessed with Messi and Suarez.
The posters are not angry because we let in 4 goals but because we couldn't score 5.

I am sorry if I am asking you too much on this but that was the reason I wanted editors to write a match analysis on every page after their match. Or someone volunteer could aslsobtake yo this just like Carragold comes up with loan updates.

Cheers mate.


{Ed001's Note - you don't need a Messi and Suarez to score goals and trouble the opposition. A good team will beat good individuals 90% of the time.}

06 Dec 2016 08:48:40
Harry, to answer your response and repeat what ed001 said, it had nothing to do with Bournemouth supposedly pressing us not until late in the second half. They pressed Liverpool from the start, but Liverpool were simply too good for it and retained the ball as if they were Pep's Barcelona. After we kept on retaining the ball, we forced them to retreat into their own half, where we then camped for most of the stanza because every time Bournemouth tried to clear it out, it went straight back to a Liverpool player and the Reds' attack re-started and came straight back at Bournemouth into their defensive third.

As for the Arsenal game, what are you on about? Mane scored the goal, so then we went to sleep because we thought that if you're 4-1 up at Arsenal then the game must be over, but instead they let Ox run around them while they're sleepwalking and suddenly Arsenal are back in the game with the crowd behind them.

Like ed002 said, you've defeated your own bloody argument. If the press is effective against Liverpool then teams wouldn't park the bus. And like you said, if teams press Liverpool then they run the risk of being counter-attacked.

And what's my point? What do you effing mean what's my point? Were you seriously not able to discern what my overarching argument is in the original post? My point is that Liverpool's defence per sé is not particularly vulnerable, the problems come from complacency. This is where I disagree with Carra, he's basically blaming Karius for all our problems, but what did Karius have to do with the complete breakdown of initiative?


06 Dec 2016 09:01:11
Nick

I agree wth you last para. The problem is not a mere personal changes in Karius and Lovren. Lovren always lacked at the highest level and this shouldn't be a surprise for posters. As for karius the law of football always point out the last person i. e the GK when you concede the goals. I don't get the team went for sleep in the final 14 mts and conceded 4 goals? That is a gigantic sleep in my view. When the score line was 3-2, You would expect your players to wake up from the sleep. That did not happen and we continued to sleep?

There has been many games where we had the similar svcoreline or more. 5-4, 6-2, 4-3, 4-2.
The problem remains there as we concede far too many. On Sunday we simply couldn't score more than the opposition.

That can't be a coincidence!

This is strictly my view, But the team simply can't defend properly and hence we always concede 1 or two every other game and this goes back a long time in the past.

If the score line remained 4-3 in favor of Liverpool ( like 4-2 against Palace) we would simply ignore and hail the characater of the team in scoring 4.

This is my personal view mate.


{Ed001's Note - you do realise that in the 7 games Karius and Matip had started together, we conceded just 5 goals.}

06 Dec 2016 09:28:23
I'm not really saying the team went to sleep for 15 minutes, I'm saying they went to sleep and then went into a panic. When Bournemouth made it 3-2 I doubt they were still complacent, but they were definitely not assured either. But complacency was at the heart of it.

I don't even know where you plucked some of those scorelines from.

I can't ever recall us winning 5-4

I can't ever recall us winning 6-2. We did win 6-1, but dude we conceded that goal when the contest was finished at 5-0 - the team once again fell complacent but didn't panic due to the sheer size of the goal margin. That is an important context hidden by some goals Liverpool concede.
If you take out Lovren's clanger, which had nothing to do with Liverpool's defensive quality, then instead of 4-2 against Palace it was 4-1.

But if you want to be taken seriously then don't make up hyperbolic fake scorelines to trash the defence.


06 Dec 2016 10:04:52
Dortmund gave up 4 second half goals to us one time.
But anyways, was talking with a mate and we both agreed looking back on the game we couldn't really remember being under the cosh so to speak. But that we noticeably lost control of the midfield and subsequently the match. I think all the points people are saying we need to do are obvious, and by and large are things we have beem doing to great effect. But you show me even a title winning team without their flaws?

We are still developing. We don't have a world class squad imo. But we do have an ultra-competitive match day sqyad when fully fit. So the journey continues, we go again and I'll he looking forward to the lads breathing fire at Anfield this weekend!


06 Dec 2016 10:08:03
5-4 against Norwich Nick. The point I am making here is we tend to ignore the defensive side of our display to a large extent to our offensive side of play. That is why we are favorites among the neutrals as we score plenty.


06 Dec 2016 10:19:35
the fullbacks just need to stop going forward with a 3-1 lead and learn how to seal out games . I know you could say we did against Chelsea . Hopefully the players learn this.


06 Dec 2016 10:59:12
Yes, 5-4 against Norwich in a completely different season, with an almost completely different back five (including goalkeeper) .


06 Dec 2016 14:28:24
Nick for the record, Very few people on this forum take Harry seriously due to the reasons you just described. But there he goes again, posting fantasies and contradicting himself numerous times in one thread. Harry is a hoot. No point posting my opinion as some of the things Harry posted are just too painful to my brain to respond to. However of all the dross that Harry posted that got royally debunked by Ed and fellow posters, can he please, explain what Arsenal (a non pressing team and a rival) and Carzola (a non-LFC player), have to do with LFC?


06 Dec 2016 02:44:30
Ahoy there ed001

Was this Barcelona bonding trip already planned, or hastily booked after the Bournemouth loss?

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{Ed001's Note - I believe it was already planned.}

 
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