Liverpool Banter Archive August 06 2015

06 Aug 2015 22:48:22
Hi Eds

Any ideas on how far Flanagan is from being fit? He'll have a big part to play this year I feel, particularly if Clyne or Moreno picks up an injury.

Cheers

{Ed030's Note - No idea sorry, I do know he is in and around Melwood doing some fitness training though. }

06 Aug 2015 23:20:05
There was a post on the official site a few days ago - he's training but using non pressure scenarios - i think its probably 2 months still off of returning to the team.

Gomez can cover both positions.

07 Aug 2015 12:34:00
southampton also conceeded 15 less goals than us last year and didn't finish above us

06 Aug 2015 21:39:42
Just looking at our possible front four now we know Milner and hendo should be holding. Coutinho, firmino, lallana, benteke.

With ibe and sturridge on the bench could we possibly have the best attack in the league.

Most will say no but I feel if we tighten our defence we could have another season like the one before last.

{Ed030's Note - I think City with Silva, Sterling and Aguero have the best attack in the league followed by Hazard, Willian, Costa and maybe Arsenal if they buy a decent striker. I expect Sturridge to start when fit at most likely the expensive of Lallana out of the names you mentioned. }

07 Aug 2015 05:40:44
Milner and Hendo holding is a terrible idea where both are not holding players and theirs biggest strength is to push high up the pitch and press high.

07 Aug 2015 05:42:20
Ed030, it could be Sterling - Aguero - KDB with silva behind.

{Ed030's Note - De Bruyne had a fantastic season in the Bundesliga and I would be very unhappy if he moves to City. He should wait another season or two for Madrid,Barca or Bayern to move for him imo. }

07 Aug 2015 11:45:32
If they work together well, 1 can hold while the other presses, with their fitness, levels, they should be able to press enough. With 4 players in front of them, they should make up for the pressing too

06 Aug 2015 17:40:13
I think with a lot of players still at the club who are surplus to requirements we may have a busy transfer deadline day! For the first time since the whole Torres / Carroll debacle.
Although I do love a busy deadline day.
The wonderful highs, the gruesome lows and the creamy middles.

06 Aug 2015 13:34:00
Benteke, 20 goals a season man (if he stays fit)
Sturridge, 20 goals a season man (if he stays fit)
The midfield is good enough, its just the back 5 that worries me.
4th or 5th this season, then if we hold onto the likes of Coutinho, then a possible title shot next season if we invest in a world class CB.

06 Aug 2015 14:35:30
Change Cb to *worldclass goalkeeper * and you've got yourself a valid post

06 Aug 2015 14:46:17
If those two get 20 a piece we should be looking at top 3.

06 Aug 2015 15:43:14
This squad is capable of making the top four, and if Benteke, Firmino and Coutinho play well, they will be fighting for the title at the end of the season. Not what the average fan believes after a terrible season, but I refuse to give up on us before the games even begin. Start with a win against Stoke and we'll see where it goes.

06 Aug 2015 16:22:05
Sorry but that's just not going to happen. I must admit I hahaahahah really hard when I read this but I then realised I am an idiot.
I hope you are correct with your post

06 Aug 2015 17:32:34
World class goalkeeper??? Like who??
If Brendan wanted another keeper do you not think he would've went all out for Cech.
Or Begovic?

Cech would've been the dogs bo!!ox mind.

06 Aug 2015 17:58:51
We are going to win the league

06 Aug 2015 18:45:45
Doesn't matter who's in the team, if Brendan hasn't learnt from his mistakes then we won't be top 4.
As for the title, we are a goalkeeper and a top defensive partnership at CB away from that, the midfielders and strikers look good enough on paper to me though.

07 Aug 2015 06:51:39
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, it isn't realistic. Aside from the fact that the chances of us being able to attract a world class keeper/ defender are slim at best, we simply couldn't afford to pay players of that calibre if we did.

07 Aug 2015 07:24:35
Sorry DBol, with Skrtel, Lovren and Mingolet at the heart of our defence, we won't be winning the league.

06 Aug 2015 12:58:35
ive seen a few posts down the page declaring that gerrards slip against chelsea "literally" lost us the league.

it is so simplistic to say that. when are people going to realise that the prem is a marathon and not a sprint?

the slip was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back but to site is as the single reason is ignorrant.

we could have easily picked up those lost points at another point in the season. how about draw to west brom where kolo played that awful sideways pass? how about getting battered by hull on new years day?

i'm sure there are other points we threw away as well.

the chelsea result was one of many results that cost us the league.

i know some people will still disagree with this but at least give me a plausible reason rather than hitting the button.

06 Aug 2015 13:30:29
You have just answered why gerrards slip did cost us the title.

The season is a marathon. You will lose matches, get injuries, have players making mistakes, get your tactics wrong but its all to get you to the end of the season and still be in the title run in.

Remember when man u beat us to the league but got smashed by us? The double we did on them aswel.

We had gone through ups and downs throughout the campaign, won what 11 games on the trot, beat the champions at home to make it our title to lose.

Gerrard said it best 'we don't let this slip now' or something along those lines.

The whole season was done we had the league and unfortunately gerrards slip let Chelsea into a game they wernt showing any signs of winning.

It wasn't his fault in the sense that I hate him now lol but it was the point which lost us that game and then impacted the palace game as we were trying to get the goal difference back.

Yes we could of lost the last two games anyway but the slip was the point we lost the league

Think about what you post back to me and imagine Allen had slipped. You know for a fact this would be a whole different argument.

Also if the slip came in October then your argument would be spot on

It's the red blinkered glasses that are having people not blame that slip.

I love gerrard for the record and can't believe this is the first season were he won't be there since I've been watching them.

I wish him all the luck and just think that slip was written in the stars for him it was too sweet to go and get the league.

Good luck stevie and thanks for everything.

06 Aug 2015 13:57:35
The point of my initial post wasn't to highlight gerrards slip, it was just a light hearted post which was supposed to highlight we had similar problems that season i.e. the fixture list wasn't favorable our best striker was out, and nobody gave us a shot at top four. The point was football is unpredictable show some support to the team who knows where the season takes us! but by all means if you guys wanna focus on that one little joke be my guest.

FYI us losing out on the title was not Stevie's fault! i have followed football enough to know the final points tally isn't based off one game.

Get behind the team people!! "support-ers" are supposed to "support"

06 Aug 2015 14:03:28
We also drew with Palace the next game when it wasn't clear yet if City will not lose more points (so you cannot assume that if we had drew the game with Chelsea we would have won the Palace game). But I agree every point we lost that season was worth exactly like the point(s) we lost against Chelsea.

06 Aug 2015 14:05:51
Forever96, sorry but your argument is just wrong, you can't disregard every other part of the season because Gerrards slip was the last thing that happened.
Here's the fact, no one thing caused us to lose the league last year.
It's naive to think that, it is a combination of everything that caused us to lose the league.
Did we finish a couple of points behind city?
This means any draw that we had could have cost us the league, any combination of parables caused us to lose it.
Gerrard wasn't at fault and although other fans want us to think that just accept it and move on because they just do it to wind us up about our legend.

06 Aug 2015 14:24:50
Fanobip, but if we had drawn with Chelsea, we wouldn't have gone looking for more goals at palace when we were 3 goals up because goal difference wouldn't have come into it

06 Aug 2015 14:29:24
What tosh - the linesman who ruled Sterling's good goal offisde against City was the culprit. Bring on TV replays and a fifth official! Oh, and as Morinhon said, the FAs fault for not docking city points for failing FFP, Oh and.

06 Aug 2015 14:32:07
Obviously it's not Gerrards fault he slipped, it was a freak accident. But until that game, the title was in our own hands.

06 Aug 2015 15:19:03
It obviously wasn't the sole reason but it was a turning point

06 Aug 2015 15:35:52
It wasn't gerrards fault he slipped for god sake. I'm not saying anything like that, your all arguing for arguments sake. I feel like a bloody ed.

We were 3-0 up against palace and if wr had of drawn or won the Chelsea game we wouldn't of chased for more goals.

Gerrard slip cost us the league its a simple as that. Red blinkered glasses.

Just think what you would be saying if Allen had of slipped.

06 Aug 2015 15:39:49
Oh a wagas don't start all that moaning about supporters should support.

My season ticket, missing shifts in work to watch games, travelling away shows I support. I love gerrard to the core, but that slip happened and I'm not going to lie because he won us the champions league

If your wife leaves the front door open at night and you get burgled, whose fault is it? The fact they haven't created self locking doors yet? Are you going to report it to panorama? LOl

As I have said a thousand times what would you all be saying if Allen had of slipped.

06 Aug 2015 19:00:30
For me what cost us the title was Hendo getting sent off in the previous game against City. Not blaming the lad for being sent off, it happens in football. Especially in big games. However he was a big loss to us in the Chelsea game, not just against Chelsea, against Palace too. If hendo was playing against Chelsea perhaps he would have had the cover we needed when Gerrard slipped. You could also blame Sakho for passing the ball when Stevie wasnt ready for it. I think people though sometimes forget that footballers are people at the end of the day. We all make mistakes. Is sad for Steven because he will be the greatest captain to never win the title. Was such a massive blow to him as a player and no doubt he felt personally responsible. But we win as a team and lose as a team. We still could have won the title after the Chelsea game, just was out of our hands. Gerrards reputation can't ever be tarnished for me. He is a legend amd cemented his place among the very beat many years ago.

06 Aug 2015 20:41:34
so when toure assisted aniche vs west brom? That didn't cost us the league?

06 Aug 2015 21:42:52
Any game we didn't get three points cost us equally to the Chelsea game. The order they occurred makes no difference.

{Ed030's Note - What the OP is trying to say is before the slip, The league was in Liverpool's hands so the games before the slip where irrelevant because after those games we was top of the league. I can see where he is coming from to be honest. }

06 Aug 2015 21:45:26
The league doesn't lie

06 Aug 2015 21:46:26
I don't know about others but gerrards memory isn't tarnished.

As soon as it happened I turned to my mate and said that had to happen to him because anyone else would of been slaughtered lol

Everyone starts calling people crap fans an all that for stating a fact that ' the slip cost us the title'

The whole league has games throughout and it is all for those last couple of games to be in with a shout of winning it and we had done it all. The good the bad and the ugly

The league was ours ti lose at the time when gerrard slipped and hence (lost us the league as it was ours if we kept winning well Wwd)

Take the red blinkered glasses off people

What would of happened if Allen had of slipped / I will keep asking that until something post and is truthful that he would of been absolutely slaughtered.

It was so lucky it happened to stevie

Love you gerrard lad thanks for everything!!

{Ed030's Note - The slip is just talked of because it was Gerrard, What about the poor defending and misses vs Palace and the Henderson red card. }

06 Aug 2015 22:16:26
Or here's a thought.

Don't play a style of football at home where you push right up and split the two central defenders leaving a man in the middle on his own. Particularly in a game you don't have to win but you can't afford to lose.

Gerard's slip was a problem because he was effectively the last man.

07 Aug 2015 07:43:01
Eds you tried to explain to another poster above.

I know we had bad defending, poor results, bad performances etc but at that point vs Chelsea the league was ours to lose with 3 games to do we just needed to

WWD

we couldn't exactly try to win against hull in jan incase gerrard slipped later on in the league.

The league was ours for the taking.

And wassa so somehow your now trying to blame Brendan lol

For the record it was not gerrards fault he slipped, it was unlucky he was on his own in the middle, it was unlucky aswel the level of game it was.

But he still slipped.

Stop thinking you have to defend gerrard as if none of you have slated his performances last season lol

07 Aug 2015 08:52:39
.we lost the Chelsea game 2-0 right?
Any one citing the chasing of goal difference vs palace cost us,need to then also change their tune of that game vs Chelsea,when they went 1-0 ahead they sat back and made us come at them,those saying chelsea weren't inthe game,need to take their heads out their ass. Chelsea were the dominant team till that point. When they went 1-0 up,they sat back,and let us come at them and swatted us away everytime.

We lost the league because we simply were not the ebst team across 38 games.
as has been mentioned we blew points vs WBA,Villa,Arsenal,Hull, Everton.

Like I say you can blame Gerrards slip,but chelsea still had 60 odd minutes to beat us,and they grabbed another goal. why not blame Aspas for the corner,or BR for the change of tactics,we were pot shotting from 30 yards chasing the game instead of being composed. that was every players fault.

This happened over a year ago fellas. It's time to move on

06 Aug 2015 09:38:11
Have I missed a announcement for vice captain or isit still yet to be confirmed ? Thanks

06 Aug 2015 11:36:52
It has not been announced yet. Skrtel, Lucas and perhaps Milner and Lallana are the candidates.

I think there will be a 2nd captain and a 3rd captain instead of a "vice captain".

06 Aug 2015 14:52:14
Who cares anyway? It's meaningless.

Even the captaincy is more of a ceremonial role than anything else. Shouldn't make any difference in the pitch.

06 Aug 2015 17:37:07
I have a bad feeling it's going to be Skrtel. Shudder.

Personally I'd give it to Milner or Lallana.

06 Aug 2015 19:04:48
Definitely would support Milner. During the trip down under there were countless times where he would be seen giving guidance and feedback to the younger players on the pitch. Natural leadership qualities

06 Aug 2015 19:54:46
Gotta be lucas or sakho

06 Aug 2015 20:54:05
don't be daft pair of lightweights who only been here 5 mins? stupid reply that fella

06 Aug 2015 22:35:38
Lucas hands down. If Milner had been here awhile he might even be captain.

07 Aug 2015 00:15:48
Does time at the club mean anything, if that player (Milner) would get the respect of the other players? It's Milner for VC for me!

07 Aug 2015 01:11:55
scouse John, A player who is made captain is not made captain or vice captain because of how long they are at the club you daft fella, Jose Enrique for captain if he's not sold, with Skrtel as vice captain by your reckoning. A captain is a leader a motivator a player that can rase a teams spirit when there 3 down at half time. I think Lucas is a good shout I unfortunately wouldn't pick Skrtel he needs direction. Milner would also be a good shout. I can't really see past Milner or Lucas.

User013 to say a captian makes no difference have you ever sat down and watched the CL 2005 or the Steven Gerrard FA Cup final against West Ham. Steven Gerrard was not called Captain Fantastic because he looked good in an armband. The right captain is the rock of your team.

07 Aug 2015 01:25:14
What has Milner done to earn the vice captaincy over Lucas and Sahko who both have played their hearts out for a manager who would gladly see the back of them if he was left to his incompetent guise? The answer would be absolutely NOTHING.

06 Aug 2015 07:44:59
I'm just curious but could any of the ed's shed some light on ...

{Ed002's Note - You need to ask this on the WHU page.}

06 Aug 2015 00:13:39
Rumours that I am now swinging widely between unrealistic title charge and Brendan led meltdown

For gods sake just get on with it !!!

05 Aug 2015 21:02:14
Edd001 what do you think of koemaN? I'll be watching how he and Southampton get on again this season. Did a great job last year.

{Ed001's Note - too early to judge. Did well so far but that is all.}

05 Aug 2015 16:41:17
Hi eds how big is Liverpools first team coaching squad compared to other big clubs, I know we just replaced two of ours but from what I can see we don't have as many coaches as say city, Chelsea, arsenal and United. Why not? Surely this is detrimental to our players? I would like to see hyypia and zenden join because they seem good coaches and carragher simply because of his organisation when he was a players. He knows how to defend

{Ed001's Note - we don't have as many as most do these days, because the manager sets out how many he wants. As for the rest, I would rather we went and got the best coaches rather than give out jobs for the boys.}