Liverpool Banter Archive September 05 2015

 

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05 Sep 2015 21:45:35
Hi Eds,
I know you really don't like talking about Klopp as you have discussed many times, but his recent interview he states that he doesn't want to manage a super club and would rather help to achieve the goals of a club with a good project. Could this not be perfect for a club like Liverpool, like Dortmund, a huge club that fell from grace but Klopp helped them become one of the best teams in europe. All Rodgers' talk of his project I would much rather Klopp take the helm! He would help us push for top 4, but unlike Rodgers would aim to build on that. Wishful thinking but what are your opinions Eds and reds after his recent interview.

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{Ed002's Note - Klopp has turned down two "projects" recently and is actively talking to another club whilst other are soon to put proposals to him. None of this is anything to do with Liverpool at all.}

05 Sep 2015 22:12:02
It's a shame because he would be perfect.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has a manager - it is a pity that they also have fans interested only in turning on him, the players, the owners and the staff. I appreciate Liverpool has lost all four games this season but he deserves a chance.}

05 Sep 2015 22:47:02
Hey ED'02,

I know when the time is right you'll tell us the clubs Klopp is in talks with and then I guess people will understand the level of clubs he is considering for his next job and stop bothering you with this topic.

Thanks if this posted.

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Liverpool.}

05 Sep 2015 23:00:35
Ed002, any point in asking which clubs relate to the "2 projects" and which others are soon to put proposals to him?

IF Klopp isn't a realistic replacement, are there any realistic options at the moment should there be a change of manger?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has a manager and is not looking for a replacement.}

06 Sep 2015 07:12:10
The old Klopp obsession again.

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06 Sep 2015 07:13:34
*abuse deleted*

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{Ed001's Note - go away and don't come back, you small minded bitter little child. The only thing big about you is your mouth. You are an embarrassment to Liverpool fans.}

06 Sep 2015 01:23:16
Thanks for replying ED'02.What you said is the same thing I also wanted to convey. Klopp's future is entirely unrelated to LFC.I would just like to say that you are a really patient person and I respect you for sir.This the same question repeated again and again and again but you always answer them.

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

06 Sep 2015 14:00:45
Can't understand people asking if Klopp is coming after the Eds have stated repeatedly that the owners don't fancy him and was never approached and still hasn't been approached. Memo to Klopp posters asking if he'll come: Read the posts!

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06 Sep 2015 14:36:33
Klopp to MLS Orlando City. That I way I can say they have a Klopp of KaKa

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06 Sep 2015 18:58:00
I find it strange of Rodgers, the Owners and you Ed's to believe that us Liverpool would be so fickle to want BR out any less now, than at the end of last season.

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05 Sep 2015 21:25:44
Anyone know why skrtel isn't playing for Slovakia? Injured? Thought he was captain

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06 Sep 2015 00:06:09
Suspended

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06 Sep 2015 01:46:40
o'l Squirtel up to his usual antics then. ? lol

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05 Sep 2015 20:57:25
Was sad to see llori go to Villa, I was harbouring unrealistic hopes that him and Sakho would somehow find themselves first choice cbs during the season. I think if you spend any amount of money on a player you have to be committed to giving them game time, look how well Gomez has done.

Anyway my point being is now who would people's idea of first choice cbs be. I figure that if the defence are going to make a guaranteed mistake every game we may as well blood some youngsters who will hopefully learn from it. I'd like to see Gomez and Sakho against smaller teams and if there's more height presence Can and Sakho with Gomez at lb.
All hypothetical of course because I doubt BR will end his skytel love affair anytime soon.

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05 Sep 2015 23:16:05
Well with Brendan in charge the RCB spot is reserved to skrtel. LCB is open to lovren and Sakho to fill in.

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06 Sep 2015 02:14:07
I would love to see a whole new partnership given a go. Gomez/Sakho i would like to see now. at the start of the season i wanted whoever got picked as the opening partnership to have a good run of games. but if you have a shocker then u have to get dropped and the next man gets his chance. on another note Moreno has to be first choice LB and Enrique back up. Gomez is quality and done well there but he's clearly a centreback so let him have his chance in his natural position. does anyone else remember Enrique keeping Hazard in his pocket when he actually played games for us. ? i'm convinced he is not completely useless and can do a job for us as back up to Moreno.

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06 Sep 2015 13:19:55
I've never been a huge fan of skrtel but he'll play most games this season. I wonder if we're better suited to the 3-4-3 we played last year now? Gomez could take the right of the back three, Clyne would be better than any RWB we tried last year. Could be good.

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06 Sep 2015 14:02:17
Per Ed01, BR wants to build the defence around Martin Skrtel. Let that sink in for a second

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06 Sep 2015 16:14:39
redohio - "Per Ed01, BR wants to build the defence around Martin Skrtel. Let that sink in for a second".

I would rather not thanks. I've not long eaten.

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06 Sep 2015 21:55:24
I got a chuckle from that, Lenin. Lol!!

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05 Sep 2015 20:50:00
Eds, I have a question regarding loan to buy deals, ie. Ilori to Villa.

After the season loan, it is as simple as the buying club meeting the agreed fee and the player can negotiate a contract? Or do the selling club still have the power to reject the offer?

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{Ed002's Note - This has been dealt with.}

05 Sep 2015 23:25:22
Cut to the chase if Ilori is superb and plays a blinder no matter what he still has to agree to join Villa if he doesn't want to go he doesn't have to it's not rocket science.

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06 Sep 2015 21:57:07
Why is he on loan to begin with while we have Laurel and Hardy who are walking, talking mistakes at CB? Surely, he can't be any worse.

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05 Sep 2015 19:46:30
Not just MOTD fever Eds

However Jonjo has had a Excellent start to the season and seems to growing into the DPL we're desperate for (another brodge up)

Eds just interested in your opinion of the lad and if you new of any sell on clauses/buy backs if he progresses as I think he will. He's always been a player I thought had huge potential and has now found his position??

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{Ed002's Note - Jonjonjo has gone and won't be coming back - there are no buy back clauses or any other nonsense like that.}

05 Sep 2015 21:03:36
You are pretty much right about the player. The last 4 games, he was outstanding for Swansea.
We sold him and not coming back.

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05 Sep 2015 22:24:34
And for England tonight. Why was it we sold him again?

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06 Sep 2015 00:17:34
Honestly, I was just thinking the same. He is easily better than most of our midfielders.

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05 Sep 2015 23:08:35
Ed weren't you guys saying something like jonjo and his dad chose to leave the club not that we let him go. Smart choice if I'm remembering correctly.

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{Ed001's Note - yes he did choose to leave, even though Gerrard was asking him to stay.}

06 Sep 2015 07:49:06
I can't remember anyone doubting his ability ?
Surely It was down to other players being better and a dodgy attitude ?

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06 Sep 2015 08:11:30
Always thought he was a decent player when he was with us given his age. Shame he was jettisoned and Alberto coming in to effectively take his place in squad.

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06 Sep 2015 14:05:50
BR wanted to keep him but with the way he lies to players and promises game time he can't live up to, Shelvey was right to leave and good for him.

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05 Sep 2015 19:28:29
I watched the england game tonight and i'm noticing more and more that Milner gets caught on the ball quite often. i'm starting to doubt he is the answer for our midfield.

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05 Sep 2015 23:26:42
He was never the "answer".

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06 Sep 2015 07:50:05
He's actually better out wide where Pelegini played him

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06 Sep 2015 14:07:33
In spite of his commitment and toughness, I think he should never have been bought because he is not a CM and we are already stacked in that area. He's always been a wide player.

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05 Sep 2015 18:23:08
Hi eds,

From the 4 epl games completed, which position will liverpool end up towards 1st half. i personaly think liverpool has played full strength. and looks similar to last year.

Thank you

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{Ed001's Note - I think you are asking where we will finish the season judging by the first four games? I am fearful as we look as bad as last season, but I hope Firmino and the return of Sturridge will help things.}

05 Sep 2015 20:04:11
Predictions?
My heart hopes that utd might stumble or implode with lvg, and we might manage another mid season winning run and edge past them into fourth place.
But my head says the most likely finishing position is 5th or 6th, scrapping with spurs.
But its also quite likely there won't be a winning run, and in that case teams like stoke and saints will finish higher than us.
I hate to say it but under br I honestly think we'll be about 8th at xmas- just high enough to avoid a sacking- and that we'll finish 9th or lower, with an unhappy squad, disappointed sponsors, dispirited fans, but- most importantly- with a new and more talented manager in place.

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06 Sep 2015 07:27:42
Between 8th and 10th if brendan is in charge for the full season. Other teams that were mid table have moved on and caught us up in terms of personnel. Teams like swansea, stoke, palace, west ham etc all have managers who know how to set up a team to play basic football.

The other usual suspects will be above that lot so yeah between 8th and 10th.

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06 Sep 2015 09:36:01
Top 3

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06 Sep 2015 21:59:11
With the dross we are seeing now, I suggest you don't bet your house on it Ron because you'll be homeless

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07 Sep 2015 07:14:42
Hey ed i'm curious but Firmino has had a low key start, looked quite slow, is he still striving for match fitness? Or is this just a bedding in period at a new club, new league, new country etc etc?? I'm just curious as I want (and think) he will do well - just think the start has been somewhat underwhelming and was curious if there was a specific reason.

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{Ed002's Note - There is no issue that I am aware of. He'll be fine I am sure.}

07 Sep 2015 07:14:42
Hey ed i'm curious but Firmino has had a low key start, looked quite slow, is he still striving for match fitness? Or is this just a bedding in period at a new club, new league, new country etc etc?? I'm just curious as I want (and think) he will do well - just think the start has been somewhat underwhelming and was curious if there was a specific reason.

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{Ed002's Note - He'll be fine and I am not aware of any issue.}

05 Sep 2015 16:12:10
If any eds are about I was wondering. We have seen several managers on the international stage do well,and stay in their jobs for the last 7 years or so are they ever going to look into club football as an option again,and what are your opinions of them.

I am myself particularly thinking of:
Del Bosque
Joachim Loew
erik hamren

I'd be very interested to see them build teams at club level again.

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{Ed002's Note - (1) Del Bosque hasn't managed at club level for years and won't again. (2) Loew will almost certainly manage at club level again but not until after the 2018 World Cup. He has been approached by a couple of clubs but has always said he will honour his contract. (3) I have no feelings about what Hamren will do, but I suspect it will be driven by WC qualification.}

05 Sep 2015 20:07:08
Cheers as always ed002.

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06 Sep 2015 07:30:14
I have to say i do like the loew brand of football. It has its defensive weaknesses but attractive to watch. Foubt he would be remotely interested in managing lfc.

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05 Sep 2015 15:42:17
with the debt hard to understand and without mentioning figures will the increased income next year for all prem teams what will this mean for our debt?
1)clear the debt
2)wipe a good chunk of the debt
3)do nothing cus we will probly blow it on players and over spend or
4) do you think the owners will be looking to sell anyway once this increase kicks in?
cheers eds

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{Ed002's Note - The debt isn't hard to understand. We don't know how the increase in television income in 2017 will be used by the club.}

05 Sep 2015 04:31:47
Hey Ed001 (or Ed002)

What do you think of Dalglish's second managerial tenure? His second stint was at a time when I didn't know as much about football, and it's hard for me to look back on it and analyse because I just don't remember many games that well.

How would you compare him to Rodgers, and do you think Suarez's antics made his job much incredibly harder?

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{Ed001's Note - it was a mistake to bring him back, his initial tenure was successful while Sir Bob was there holding his hand, then he had so much to deal with he couldn't concentrate on the job in hand. The second time round, the fans simply didn't deserve to have him. They had forgotten just what that man had done for the club. No it wasn't a huge success, but he won a cup and got us to a cup final with a far lower spend than Rodgers, plus he had the handicap of the utterly inept Comolli 'helping' him. He was not helped by the club, who offered him no guidance during the Suarez issues, which he clearly made a mess of, a mess that could have been easily avoided by someone at the club saying no to the t-shirts before it happened. But it seems FSG are completely and utterly unable to be proactive and that is why we are stumbling along under them still.

There really is no comparison between the two, Rodgers is failing miserably to win anything or even look capable of winning anything. I am actually insulted that it could even be considered a comparison between the greatest living legend of our club and an inept David Brent soundalike!}

05 Sep 2015 06:44:35
You cannot take the blame from his shoulders on utter poor spending.
Close to 80 mill on 4 players with three of them were hopeless and one decent.

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{Ed001's Note - give it a rest Harry, Comolli was heavily involved in who the club signed, and that is why we ended up with ones with good stats, rather than ones that fitted how we played. So please shut up for once and learn something before you gob off and make a fool of yourself. It is fans like you that don't deserve Dalglish, slagging him off without having the tiniest bit of clue about what you are talking about.}

05 Sep 2015 07:52:02
That's my big problem with FSG too, they are way too reactive. They could have been proactive and signed a different manager this season, but instead they will wait for things to truly turn hopeless before they hit the big red button (it's impossible to even think that things could get more worse).

I find it hard to fathom how Dalglish's failure could be because he 'lost touch' with how modern football is played. Really? Or am I just underestimating how easy it is to fall behind in the 'evolution' of football?

How much better of a tactician do you think Kenny is? Or does he have the wood over Rodgers in man-management?

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{Ed001's Note - it is man-management that Kenny is light years ahead of Rodgers, tactically I would have to say Kenny is not the best either.}

05 Sep 2015 08:02:19
With respect ed,

Are you not absolving him from a little too much blame because he is a legend? Should he not have been clued up enough on comollis recommendations before signing? You yourself have said Rodgers had final say on transfer committee signings. To say he hasn't come close to looking like winning anything is a stretch mate. 2nd in the league and an semi final in FA cup is fairly close.

I think it's because of the fans love for Jenny why he got the job perm in the first place

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{Ed001's Note - Comolli did the signing mate, it is not absolving him of blame, it is a fact. Not the same situation at all, in fact it is because Comolli was such a failure that Rodgers was able to get control of transfers and make matters even worse. As for coming second, that is only close if you look like you actually have a chance of making it, which he never did as he bottles it and it was plain to see he had no idea how to push things over the line when it matters.

Yes it is because of the fans' love that Dalglish got the job, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything?}

05 Sep 2015 08:04:47
Well said ED001,when ever I bring this up in are conversations at the pub before matches it's like I'm the dinosaur in the room,which surprises me because my mates have seen this club win titles.my how the standards have dropped. the man DALGLISH might of been out of the game for a while but you never forget how to win trophies. RODGERS had 3 goes at winning something and blew them. as you said there's no comparison.

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05 Sep 2015 08:30:43
Ed001 I would say some of the fans didn't deserve him the second time there are many of us who have never forgotten what he did and never will forget. It is up to people with influence to remind people of a younger generation just what he did for the club.
You should do a podcast about him!

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{Ed001's Note - I would do but it would end up just being like a love letter! This is a man who has no equal within the club.}

05 Sep 2015 08:37:18
I think a more appropriate comparison for Rodgers would be Hodgson as he too lacked certain skills!!
Harry, you have to careful judging someone solely on transfer figures as there are different ways you can look at them.
If as the manager, Dalglish is considered responsible for the 35 million spent on Caroll, is he therefore also responsible for the 50 million he received for Torres?
I do generally consider a manager responsible for the personnel comings and goings (albeit this has been watered down over the years), but I think a manager should only be judged on his transfer dealings after a few years, once he has been able to 'stamp his mark' so they say.
Whichever way you look at it, one trophy in his only full season is our most successful season in years. So in terms of value for money (for liverpool!), it can be considered money well spent! Particularly, as the initial question raised, if you compare it with Rodgers who has no silverware for a rather lot more!

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05 Sep 2015 09:13:46
Sirshanks

Really dude, BR should be then given credit for Suarez And Sterling sale, that's close to 125 million.

You are just tying to bring excuses to defend people. I don't blame it, everyone does it.

No matter whose in charge above you, spending 20 million on downing and 35 mill on Carroll is rubbish.

Would you want to bring back Kenny then?

Gerrard is a legend and as big as Kenny for this generation. But you could never say he is the best holding midfielder ever.

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05 Sep 2015 09:59:09
Gerrard might be as big a legend from a pure footballing perspective, but King Kenny is a legend on and off the field. You can't say the same for Gerrard, Kenny is a one off and it isn't fair to compare anyone else to him.

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05 Sep 2015 10:31:22
Sirshanks, the reason we all have different opinions is perspective. You referred to 11-12 as our most successful season in years, I see it as our worst season since 1962. We can both argue our cases (cup trophy vs league performance) but we won't change each other's minds. The reason I forgive Rodgers of his biggest sins is that he was tasked with reversing a slide that started summer 09 and reached its nadir summer 12 (none of which was Dalglish's fault).

Even if Rodgers is deficient most agree the squad we have now isn't too far off the 'big 4', that's not something we could say three years ago. Change like that costs money in this day and age.

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05 Sep 2015 11:35:48
Muscat, it does cost a lot of money if you piss away dosh on players you don't need, or players you don't know how to use.

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05 Sep 2015 11:38:02
So back in the 90's, did Dalglish used to be a good tactician, with the game having in fact passed him by since then?

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{Ed002's Note - It was a very significant mistake to bring back Dalglish - and I remain astonished how the fans dropped him like a hit brick once Suarez cost him his job.}

05 Sep 2015 12:05:57
Well Guys

Lets look at Comoli and Dalglish's signings

Carrol - a bit of a disaster, mainly through injuries and not been given a chance by Bodger.
Adam - Too slow, however comparing him to Joe Cole, Markovic, Allen, Polson, the money they paid is not that disasterous. Adam has had decent seasons with Stoke since leaving.
Downing - Well he was useless
Enrique - A decent left back when fit, certainly haven't had much better since Rodgers, the only left backs we have had are playing out of position.
Coates - must agree his was a waste of money.

Now here is where Dalglish makes up for all above.

Suarez for 18 million - Probably the best signing for Liverpool since Torres, The profit we made from him vertually paid for all above.

Henderson - Now the Liverpool Captain, worth probably double than what we paid.

Bringing Sterling into the squad.

Steve Clark - A coach that turned our defense around and we've gone backwards since he left.

A Cup final to boot, not bad for a season and a half in charge

Now look at the players Bodger has bought over the past few years,

Borini
Allen
Ballotelli
Lovren
Toure
Assaidi
Sahin
Alberto
Aspas
Mingolet
Cissoko
lambert
Moses
Markovic
Lallana
Sturridge
Origi
Coutinho
Ings
Manquillo
Llori

and some other rubbish I forget

Won nothing and threw away the best chance we have had of winning the league in 20 years even with a strike force that scored 100 goals

The people that try to Compare Bodger to Dalglish obviously don't know anything about the history of the club, Bodger will soon be sacked and quickly forgotten or remebered as a total failure whereas King Kenny rightly will always be remembered as a legend and a winner, even with a second rate team we still won a cup.

Evered

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05 Sep 2015 12:27:57
Here's one thing I really want to know. how much say/input did Kenny actually have in his signings? Because judging from what Ed001 said, I get the feeling this is how it played out.

Comolli: "I have found you a striker!"
Kenny: "Nice, who?"
Comolli: "Andy Carroll. Brilliant league stats this season. We will bid 37 million pounds. Do you approve or not?"
Kenny: "I d-"
Comolli: "You approve? Fantastic! I'll immediately send a fax to Newcastle then."

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{Ed002's Note - Go and look in the archives for the week that Comolli joined Liverpool, I explained everything then.}

05 Sep 2015 12:44:19
I will now feel like Gandalf scurraging through the dusty Minas Tirith archives.

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05 Sep 2015 12:53:02
Can I just ask how did Brendan throw away the league?

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05 Sep 2015 13:02:04
I've gone for a stroll through the archives. unfortunately, they only take you as far back as 2013. I could only spot a comment you made which said, "Dalgish [pissed money away], assisted by Comolli".

Excuse my ignorance, and I'm no Rodgers fan, but isn't this no different to how the committee 'assists' Rodgers? There's a lot of various opinions out there and I just want to finally know what the real story is.

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{Ed002's Note - It is totally different. Those involve with identifying possible players for the transfer committee understand the game. Comolli was a whole different matter. It is history and I am surprised the archives don't go back that far.}

05 Sep 2015 15:41:30
A decent signing Harry? This is how you call the signing of Suarez? I am more than happy that on every three flops we sign, we will sign one Suarez. This guy single handadly almost brought us our first title in 25 years. Best signing we have done in many years. The only problem he was too good and we couldn't keep him.

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05 Sep 2015 15:45:48
No comparison, IMO. BR is not in KK's class and at this rate, won't even be able to shine his shoes. Muscat, your post is senseless. You say our squad is decent enuff for top four. YOU THINK? After wasting 300m on players by trial and error, you would think the squad will at some point, be decent enuff to challenge. Throwing money at a prob until it sticks is not a strategy. It is incompetence and a severe lack of vision and forward thinking, all the qualities of an incompetent manager.

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05 Sep 2015 18:15:26
I am not going to defend the shambles that is Rodgers, but that doesn't take away what happened under Kenny. The King is a great man, but he was out of touch with football, and it showed in the signings he made. Comolli messes up, like he did at Spurs, and yes, sufficient evidence was there to steer clear of him, but some of the stuff being said now in this thread is ridiculous.

Suarez was signed for £22.8 million, NOT 18. He was a player that was identified under Hodgson, not Dahlglish, though Dahlglish wanted him and so credit must go to him too.

Carroll was effectively LFC's fourth choice striker to replace Torres during that January window. LFC bid or tried to get Benzema, Mario Gomez and Llorente and failed with all before turning to Carroll. I think for all 3 of those players, their clubs wanted to wait till the summer to sell them or that is what they told LFC.

Comolli wanted Payet, NOT Downing. Payet was the guy with all the stats showing how he was going to be a star. And to be honest, he does look a very good player, and did very well with Marseilles and before that, Lille. It was Kenny who rejected Payet and went with Downing.

Kenny also wanted Charlie Adam; Banega was the player Comolli pushed for I think? I don't know who pushed for Coates, Henderson, Doni and Enrique. Kenny's presence did attract Bellammy to the team though. He wanted to play a 4-4-2 the way it used be played at LFC during the successful times, and the signings he made were to fit in with what he believed would work out. This is where he was out of touch with the way the game had gone and ultimately he did struggle to get the best out of the group of players he had bought. And after the Suarez/Evra nonsense and defeat at Man Utd, and that defeat at home against Arsenal the next game, we just went into free-fall. I think we won 4 of the remaining 15 games after the Arsenal game and Kenny could nothing to revitalize a flailing side. I hate to say this, but Kenny was a poor choice to bring back, and the way of the modern day game is that when you fail, no matter who you are, you will be criticized and he too was.

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05 Sep 2015 18:36:48
Oh Redohio, you're such a flirt with your capital letters and abbreviations. All this attention is making me blush.

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05 Sep 2015 18:38:17
Ron

". He for me is Liverpool. "
Thiery Henry

". He was the best midfielder for me. "
Zidane

". Gerrard is one player I tried to sign three times at three different clubs. "
Jose

". Gerrard is the special of special players. "

Rafa Benitez.

There are many.

There us a generation gap between us and you, you could never claim us wrong. Steven gerrard is the best Liverpool player I have seen ever and I don't want to go back to 70 and 80 to find a better one.

Those who said Kenny was the best also said we would never replace Keegan.

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{Ed001's Note - Souness was better than Gerrard in my opinion.}

05 Sep 2015 19:17:45
Harry, you do understand what I mean by "off the field" don't you? Re-read what I said. Gerrard may be as big a legend in footballing terms, but Kenny was a legend on and off the field.
Off the field i.e. When he's not playing football, Gerrard is not a legend, he's more of a twit to be honest. Kenny is a great man when playing football and when not playing football. I'm not disagreeing with you or Henry or Jose or Rafa because you're talking about football alone. Kenny is more than a great footballer, he's a great man too. Ok?

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05 Sep 2015 19:05:06
Ed01, of course mate. There are players you have seen enough to claim, I haven't and I am not going back to
You tube to find one.

Gerrard played with pure mediocre average players for most part of his life, had him played in the 80's he would have had a statue outside Anfield long long time ago.

The OP was about the managerial skills and spending.

Kenny is a legend but he had no clue during his second helm. Trying to implement an outdated 4-4-2 when the football world moved on from a 2 men typical midfield to a 3 men.

Kenny spend less compared to BR because he only lasted an year. Had he stayed more, He would have bought many more Carroll without a doubt.

Kenny got us a league cup while BR took us to second only twice in last 10 years, CL after 6 years.

Both have been poor managers.

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{Ed001's Note - really? You have no idea what you are talking about Harry. What system brought us the closest to any success under Rodgers? Was it not a variant of 4-4-2? What about Juve? They used a variation of 4-4-2 last season when they reached the Champions League final and cleaned up in Italy. You have no clue and yet you think you have the right to slag off someone who is a true great? Be glad I don't block you for this. You are really getting on my nerves now with your posts that have no basis in reality about this. Dalglish was not picking the players, now shut up about something you know nothing about. Just give it up you are wrong. Kenny never spent the damn money at all. What is wrong with you? Why are you so dense that you will not listen or read anything and just keep repeating the same lies over and over? We keep having to block you for this idiotic attitude of yours, and you are not learning your lesson and continue to just spam with nonsense. Come back when you can read and then we can discuss things rather than just you talking crap without learning that what you are saying is utter nonsense.}

05 Sep 2015 22:39:51
If Kenny had had the slightest luck in his last season he'd have still been our manager. How many times did his team hit the woodwork? We've had more luck in three games than his team did in a whole season. I'd take him over Rogers any day of the week. Just think about him watching the youth teams and how much he cares about his players. He's a Legend because he earned it - player, manager, man.

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05 Sep 2015 20:59:35
Lols. I bloody love your never give up attitude ed01 😄😄. Let's happily agree to disagree on the above facts.
I must be only half of your age. Daglish for you and Gerrard for me. and the Next generation will have another name. it's just a process.
And I am extremely sorry mate, Kenny would have still signed all the above regardless of comollil or another DOF.

Ron.

What exactly gerrard has to do off the field mate? Once he retires he would be right back where he belongs. You are adressing at least half of the whole Liverpool supporters outside who love Gerrard.

Check some pre season tour video, you could see what gerrard meant to people and I mean the common people.

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{Ed001's Note - what is there to agree to disagree about? Stop being an absolute idiot. You are wrong. Dalglish was not in charge of transfers second time around. Comolli was dealing with them and it was why Rodgers was able to get full control over them when he took over. You are an imbecile if you think Dalglish would have done that. Shelvey was the player Kenny signed.}

06 Sep 2015 03:02:06
*Please* just answer this to settle my confusion. how much say did Kenny *actually* have in transfers compared to what Rodgers has???

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{Ed001's Note - he just asked for types of players, Comolli identified the players and negotiated the deals.}

06 Sep 2015 08:04:43
The only reason we visit this site is beacause we believe in Ed's and almost always they are right. So I am quite amused that some guys here keep on acting as if they are the expert here. So please stop whining about how Kenny spend money on bad singing- when Ed's have told you again and again that it was Komoli.


P.S: young Liverpool fan who had seen first and only trophy under king Kenny reign.

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06 Sep 2015 08:12:03
Haha thanks for the answer!

So what you're basically saying is that it was Kenny's job to trust Comolli's judgement and just give a tick of approval. unlike Rodgers and committee.

Types of players as in merely what position they played? I.e. 'find me a striker'? Because it's hard to believe that on top of that, Kenny would specifically request someone who is a big, lumbersome, slow, unskilful target man.

I feel like a massive pest with these questions but you're a ledge for answering them

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06 Sep 2015 08:19:09
Partly why I ask all these questions is because people like Christian Purslow have say stuff like that Dalglish identified Carroll, and it just creates heaps of confusion

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06 Sep 2015 09:43:55
Harry you clearly have no idea/memory of any off field activity if you have to ask that question.
Gerrard has been in the national news for alleged ABH including CCTV pictures. He was a truly great player for Liverpool.
I'm not going to talk about what Kenny has done for the club and the city outside of football. You ought to educate yourself as it will sink in better.

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06 Sep 2015 11:35:06
Lfc warrior

Commoli wanted Sissokho, long term replacement for Gerrard. Don't blame everything on Commolli. Kenny could always stop a transfer just like BR did not stop Balotelli.

Kenny wanted Ashley young and we ended up with Downing, neither would have improved anyways.

Kenny always wanted Charlie Adam.

The above are facts I read it from the same site.

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{Ed001's Note - Kenny could not stop a transfer, please just shut up! You really are clueless. Stop trying to act in the know. Comolli was in complete control of transfers. How many times do you have to be told before you get it in your head? Last time or I will block you, Dalglish was not in any kind of control of the transfers, he could merely make requests, in the same way as Rafa has no say in transfers at Madrid but he could ask for certain players or type of players, he has no way of making the decision.

As for the Real AG, your post is bull. Utter nonsense. Comolli chose the players to go for, those that he didn't get were because they didn't want to come for various reasons or we couldn't get a deal agreed with their club. As for Carroll, he was much further down the list than you say, you have forgotten players like Ola Toivonen. Kenny never rejected Payet for Downing at all, Downing was chosen on his stats by Comolli, Payet was simply not coming, so Downing was chosen. As for Adam, yes he was a player Dalglish wanted, and was not a good choice.}

06 Sep 2015 22:14:07
The back and forth can be settled this way. The Eds give us accurate info which allows us to form a better judgement of the goings on around our beloved club. If you as in EG and many others, have more accurate info to prove the eds info wrong, please share said info. If your info is inaccurate or debunked royally as eg's has been debunked, then do us all a favor and DROP IT. N btw, Ed is right about Carroll not being first choice and that certain players did not wanna come. Mario Gomez was willing to come to us if we could match his wage demands, Toivonen wasn't interested, Ashley a young chose Utd over us. I read all that in the media during that time before I joined this site.

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05 Sep 2015 00:28:08
I do think everyone is being a bit harsh on Brendan and don't think he is as bad as everyone makes out, however I do also believe if we wanna be pushing for the top places in the league then we need a better manager than him as I don't think he is up to the job but I'm also hoping he proves me wrong although I can't see it!!

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05 Sep 2015 06:40:58
I used to be undecided, but now I'm not so sure

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05 Sep 2015 08:46:00
Not harsh enough - if the man had any self respect, he would have gone with his back room staff, but his ego still puts him in cloud cuckoo land thinking he is a football manager. In my humble opinion he has proved on numerous occasions, he hasn't got a clue about tactics and how to set up a team - I'm pretty sure no other manager would continue with a central pairing of Skrtel and Lovren, neither of which on current ( and last years ) form would get into any other PL team.

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05 Sep 2015 10:52:23
Lovren and skrtel are clearly not the best of centre backs, I'm a swansea boy and been to watch the swans many times and have to say Ashley Williams is far better than the both of them I'm shocked Liverpool haven't come calling for him. Until Liverpool sort out the centre backs we got no chance really as there just not good enough!!

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05 Sep 2015 14:42:55
Great one wiwar1000!

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05 Sep 2015 15:49:13
Only BR will persist doing the wrong thing and expect different results especially if that thing he's doing, is failing before our very eyes. This is the exact reason the Reading owner sacked him. He kept telling him that things would get better while they were losing and approaching relegation every passing week. After a while, he got tired and pulled the plug. FSG may not think its that time yet but many fans are now at that point.

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06 Sep 2015 08:23:03
The REAL AG,are you for real,if LFC exist to win trophies then KENNY DALGLISH has done his job,he's added to the trophy haul,if he was so out of touch he must of been one hell of a blagger to get them to 2 finals winning,just ask the bright young thing that is RODGERS how easy is it to win trophies,the man's got nothing on his CV that says he should be anywhere near the Liverpool job.

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06 Sep 2015 10:08:21
I was not going to get into this debate because i was disgusted by the way dalglish was treated by the fans and for his sake i wish he did not come back to have to deal with the numptys. Harry you really need to give it a rest, dalglish hands down was a better player than gerrard and hands down a better manager than brendan. He has sweated both blood and tears for a club he still loves with a passion despite the shoddy treatment from the fans.

If fsg had afforded him the same amount of time and financial backing as brendan he would have turned it around no doubt. Their incompetence in managing the press and poor backroom staff ala comoli contributed to his downfall and was also contribted to by suarez who some on here still revere as the second coming.

Some forget dalglish HAS actually won the premiership albeit with another team and he has won a cup with this team in his second stint. Again i ask what the hell has brendan won apart from manager of the month/year. There are no comparisons between the two of them what so ever. Its not even a debate ffs.

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