Liverpool Banter Archive November 05 2010
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05 Nov 2010 23:56:58
Totally agree with the poster backing RH. The knee-jerking negativity amongst fans is getting ridiculous. In the past LFC fans had more respect for the manager and would be defending him from the knives. These days fans can't wait to stick the knife in like blood thirsty killers. He took on a job with a team that finished 7th, totally devoid of confidence, cohesion and purpose. He had the most players of any club at the world cup. They were already exhausted and had to start pre-season late. His star striker got injured-AGAIN. His star defensive midfielder treated him and the club like dirt and jumped ship. The owners were still feuding with each other, the board and the fans. He had little or no money. He had no left back to speak of. It's clear our scouts have been failing for years. Konchesky and poulsen were cheap panic buys faced with losing mascher and no left back. Then 2 of his first 3 league games were against city and arsenal. Rome wasn't built in a day'
RED HERRING
05 Nov 2010 23:55:55
Reina
darby ayala agger mavinga
amoo gerrard lucas cole
pacheco torres
awesome team mate, you agree ed?
{Editor's Note: I don't comment on teams I am afraid.}
05 Nov 2010 23:54:45
05 Nov 2010 23:36:28
what was it bale and lennon said agaist liverpool just briefly because havnt got a clue
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They said somthing about the cities of Liverpool and Manchester and also somthing derogatory about the women in Liverpool.
I should have posted this days ago but i can't remember what they actually said. But they were slagging of the city and people/ ladies of Liverpool.
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Nov 2010 23:46:08
Reina
darby ayala agger mavinga
amoo gerrard lucas cole
pacheco torres
05 Nov 2010 23:39:57
RH is taking a fair bit of flack on here, and I have to say, by playing two defensive midfielders last night; especially Poulsen he is not doing himself any favours. It was however good to see him animated.
I too feel frustrated by the fact that the younger talent in the squad are not being given the chances they deserve in the first team. Pach and Kelly definatly deserve a run. I believe the new appointment of the "head of recruitment" is a good idea, however if you were a young footballer would you go to a team where young talent never gets an opportunity. When was the last time players from the youth team got a regular game? Gerrard and Owen.
We need to buy a winger and a striker in the transfer window but what level of player are we going to be able to attract if we don't change our system?
05 Nov 2010 23:36:28
what was it bale and lennon said agaist liverpool just briefly because havnt got a clue
05 Nov 2010 23:25:10
Lavessi a good signing to partner torres upfront?
Believable -yes
Unbelievable -no
05 Nov 2010 23:20:28
The criteria of the Liverpool board set on accepting an offer involved them commiting to plans for a stadium. Now Henry is stalling this for two more years - if you arnt willing to invest then what are you here for? Dont brush off the stadium issue with the threat of debt on the club because im sure that the stadium issues were disscussed with the board intensly before the offer was given the green light, and therefore they would have proposed a solution to the stadium we have now.
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What is better for liverpool right now? we now have a level of manageble debt, something most premiership teams dream of, sure we don't have the best squad in the world but we have a squad including reserves that could and should do the job. people that demand such things from new owners 3 weeks into their tenure need to get their heads read. i this age of instant gratification people want liverpool to suddenly build a stadium and have a team ready to compete. sorry mates but even man city that have sugar daddy ready to splash are having more troubles right now than ourselves.
This great club needs time to refresh our lineup bring youth into our ageing squad and to bring in 2-3 players year on year like the old days.
sure a stadium is something the board were lookings for nobody is saying it will not happen. what they are saying (which any sane businessman would) is that things are going to take time and they want to explore all possibilities. Remember who came along and said YEEEHAW WE GONNA MAKE A STADIUM look at these cool looking pictures. .
Yes i thought so. lets get something clear. these matters will not be conducted externally they will be done methodicly and i believe that NESV or UKSV whichever you want to use are the right people for the club at this present time. they seem to understand our heritage and history and also seem to want to do things 'the liverpool way'
coming back to breaking promises. i bet there was no stipulation in the contract to buy that they will have to agree to the council for the immediate building of the stadium.
I think you should maybe take stock of what you are saying and remember who you support and why you support them.
Rivoo YNWA
05 Nov 2010 23:15:03
If Roy had his way. . . . . . . . . .
Brad Jones
Johnson shawcross cahill konchesky
duff poulson merieles cole
c.cole ola toverin
please keep roy away from the cheque-book! !
have i forgot anyone?
05 Nov 2010 22:46:19
Our top 4 hopes for this season depends all on who we sign in january.If we can get 3/ 4 in then we can push on.
1.Affellay
2.Gomes
3.Defour
4.coantroa[spelling]
This four would be good.
05 Nov 2010 22:41:24
Just my views (I appreciate we all have our interpretations/ ideas). {ed's note - I think a lot of it comes down to Comolli, I think he has been appointed to help NESV understand the game and direct their decision, point them in the right direction so to speak. I can't believe that a man who has worked closely with Wenger would not be in favour of removing Hodgson and bringing someone in with more up-to-date ideas.}
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Spot on again ED!
Surely Comolli can see what we see and that Hodgson is no good for the team, the fans and the club (attracting good players).
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Nov 2010 22:37:20
How long do u think it will be before we are challenging for the top 4. I think top 4 next season if we buy the right players and manager.
{Editor's Note: I don't see any reason why this season needs to be discounted yet. Just the slightest tweaking and we can push on.}
05 Nov 2010 22:28:26
If were talking about how liverpool fc as an entity can conquer markets i think a concept not in the too distant future would be the idea of streaming all games and selling the whole package as a season ticket to watch our beloved team week in week out, no idea what the ins and outs would be but it would mean big £££. and for supporters like myself who spend the most amount of time working online and on the computer i would love to be able to hook up to some wireless from a business trip and watch either live streamed games or pre recorded. it would be great!
05 Nov 2010 22:14:53
05 Nov 2010 21:53:50
05 Nov 2010 21:18:12
Team vs Chelsea
Reina
Johnson Carragher Skrtel Aurelio
Maxi Gerrard Meireles Jovanovic
Torres Kuyt
Dont no why people suddenly rate lucas, he is still as average as he ever was. "hes getting better", "he completed the biggest percentage of passes" so what he adds no dimension to attacking play and most of those passes are backwards or 5 yards which add vertually nothing to our play. id also like jovanovic to be given a strikers role at sum stage in the game.
E.H LFC
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Need i remind you of his pass to Torres for the goal against Bolton? We rate Lucas because we watch the game and make our own opinions, not judging each performance based on reputation.
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you must of been watching that game very carefully as torres i believe didn't even score against bolton! all im saying is we need to play 4-4-2 to get support up to torres and with only 2 central midfielders in a 4-4-2 its either meireles or lucas and even if meireles hasnt been playing that well latley (THERES ME NOT JUDGING ON REPUTATION), he is better than lucas.
E.H LFC
05 Nov 2010 22:08:48
Cant believe someone posted Ridgewell as a target for us. This is getting out of hand he should be arrested for impersonating a footballer! We need a proven centre forward, Gerrard playing were hes ment to along with evreyone else stop pushing square pegs in round holes. Playing Babbel as a winger Carra as a right back its madness. Id bet my life on it if Babbel got a run of games in the centre hed be scoring for fun. Hes gonna move to someone like Birmingham and doing well and well end up being sick. Thierry Henry for Juventus ring a bell? We need a proven winger no prospects till summer. Get cl place then start building properly.No point making big changes in Jan ie loads of players and manager won't do us any favours. Andy irl
05 Nov 2010 21:53:50
05 Nov 2010 21:18:12
Team vs Chelsea
Reina
Johnson Carragher Skrtel Aurelio
Maxi Gerrard Meireles Jovanovic
Torres Kuyt
Dont no why people suddenly rate lucas, he is still as average as he ever was. "hes getting better", "he completed the biggest percentage of passes" so what he adds no dimension to attacking play and most of those passes are backwards or 5 yards which add vertually nothing to our play. id also like jovanovic to be given a strikers role at sum stage in the game.
E.H LFC
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Need i remind you of his pass to Torres for the goal against Bolton? We rate Lucas because we watch the game and make our own opinions, not judging each performance based on reputation.
05 Nov 2010 21:51:19
Why the hell are we linked with Carlton Cole? He is constantly injured, he did not make it at other top clubs, and he is absolute s*eep! Also, if we want a big English striker, why not look at Michael Ngoo whom we already have on the books? He is just as big and strong in the air as Cole, more skilled with the ball at his feet, and much younger. Why do we not use our young players ?
AnfieldRapstar
05 Nov 2010 21:50:13
I thought John Henry came across very well in the interview today. I posted last week that NESV are very aware about putting out the right message to the supporters, it is NESV's way & the Liverpool way to stick with their managers, Roy will leave but only when the right man is available to take over. There will be no stop gap manager like king Kenny as has been suggested, when we change it will be the right move for the long term.
I hope people aren't getting all upset about NESV taking up to two years to decide about the stadium. I think we need that time & money to build the team first. look at Middlesbrough, Southampton, Leicester etc. teams that thought they were safely in the top division, spent their money on a new ground & look at them now.
The difference between H&G & NESV can be summed up in own word. INTEGRITY.
Banachek
05 Nov 2010 21:38:44
Interesting the way one or two decent performances from certain players changes opinion, but hey, fair play to the players concerned.
I've had my moments on here recently with regards to Stevie G but it was great to see him with a great big smile on his face again, just as important as his hat trick. That's the first time I've seen it since all the problems he incurred following his night out in Southport nearly a couple of years ago so hopefully he's finally at peace with himself again and maybe it will rub off on Nando on Sunday because he's always done well against Chelsea.
We seem to have all concluded that nice guy that he may be, Woy isn't the solution we thought he would be (long or short term) but realistically, no owners with limited knowledge of the sport are going to sack a manager who's on a 3 game winning streak (starting to sound like a Yank myself).
The biggest conundrum we have in my view is sorting out the wheat from the chaff from what is still an extraordinary large playing staff. Benitez was allowed to buy far too many players but the kicker is that some of the younger ones he bought appear to be rough diamonds (Pacheco, Susa, Ayala, Shelvey, Mavinger, Sosa, Wisdom) as well as a good crop of local ones (Kelly, Spearing, Darby, Ecclestone, Amoo, Ince) so its about blooding the best prospects at the right time which in a way, is a nice problem to have. Its just that the current management do not appear to be up to the task and we stand to lose some precocious talents.
Benitez saw players as commodities and was too aloof with his charges whereas someone like Taggart seems to revel in being a Father figure and loves bringing the kids on.
In the days of milk and honey, Paisley and Fagan would introduce no more than two new players a season till Kenny changed that in 87-88 bringing in Aldo, Barnes, Beardsley and Houghton and now we have the large squad system where our managers (the last 3) don't know what a lot of their players best positions are.
Said it before, say it again; in the main , we have the talent already. Please Woy, empower them to go out and use it, they are professionals after all and can use their football nous. We have leaders on the field who are looking as confused and frustrated as the fans.
Nationally and probably locally, not many are expecting us to cause an upset on Sunday but if you pick a balanced side and let them off the leash, well who knows?
05 Nov 2010 21:28:57
Keep Gerrard, Agger, Torres, Reina, Meireles,
The rest of the first team are deadwood! !
Keep Pacheco, Suso, Wilson, Kelly, from the young crop
Ditch the rest including Roy, Sammy Lee
05 Nov 2010 21:18:12
Team vs Chelsea
Reina
Johnson Carragher Skrtel Aurelio
Maxi Gerrard Meireles Jovanovic
Torres Kuyt
Dont no why people suddenly rate lucas, he is still as average as he ever was. "hes getting better", "he completed the biggest percentage of passes" so what he adds no dimension to attacking play and most of those passes are backwards or 5 yards which add vertually nothing to our play. id also like jovanovic to be given a strikers role at sum stage in the game.
E.H LFC
05 Nov 2010 21:15:19
Roys got more lifes than a cat, however his luck won't last forever. Mr.Henrys comments were very interesting he's a business man you don't go out and spend 300 million sit back and let the grass grow around his feet.
Mr.Henry like the rest of can see we need 11 stevie.Gs on the park not just the one, at least he's been honest as he realises he has bought a team nowhere near good enough to compete at the top.
I get the feeling Mr.Henry is going about his business like the Liverpool way of old which is pleasing to see.
Fingers crossed Mr.Henry will turn our fortunes around and in time replace Roy with the kind of manager who will take us to the next level,
RedAk1
05 Nov 2010 20:29:17
TO THE COCK WHO WROTE THIS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am with the Ed on this, that Steven Gerrard is not the greatest Player we have ever had. One of the best servants without a doubt , but the greatest no way .As for Carra saying so, what would he know of our past players, him being a blue nose at heart. I once read he thought Sharp was better than Rush.He would, being a diehard Blue, from a family of die hard Blues. Please do not get me started on Mr Scream.I never saw Billy Liddel play but my father said he was the greatest, and he saw all the greats.I loved the mighty Emlyn Hughes, King Kenny and Souness, and personally.would put them ahead of Gerrard.Even Jimmy Case but he self destructed. but this is only my opinion. I just dream of a team without Carragher, a team without Carragher., a team without Carragher.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if carragher was a blue he, s liverpool through an through come too think ov it bet ye not even a scouser so that makes you a wool too are club does it make a diffrence no we all love liverpool so stop being a total cock an going on about s* t you no nothink about :-)
05 Nov 2010 20:04:20
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. .Johnson. . . Skrtel. . .Carragher. . .Konchesky. .
. . . . . . . Lucas. . . . . . . . . . . .Meireles. . . . . . .
Maxi. . . . . . . . . . . Gerrard . . . . . . . . .Jovanovic
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But we should have more creativity and pace available than presently - bring opn the transfer window .
05 Nov 2010 19:51:38
My 'NEW' team for the Chelsea game :-
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. .Johnson. . . Skrtel. . .Carragher. . .Konchesky. .
. . . . . . . Lucas. . . . . . . . . . . .Meireles. . . . . . .
Kuyt. . . . . . . . . . . Gerrard . . . . . . . . .Jovanovic
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Good Luck LFC !
Thank Goodness for NESV - everything John W Henry says and does thus far looks like just the ticket , and he has only just started to implement ideas . Clearly my reception is biased .
05 Nov 2010 19:34:55
Line up Sunday - 100%
Reina - Johnson - Carragher - Kyrgiakos - Konchesky
Kuyt - Gerrard - Lucas - Meireles - Maxi
Torres
05 Nov 2010 19:33:00
RE:
My team for the Chelsea game :-
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. .Carragher. . . Skrtel. . .Kyrgiakos. . .Konchesky. .
. . . . . . . Lucas. . . .Gerrard. . . .Meireles. . . . . .
Johnson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Jovanovic
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Thanks for the responses , a few interesting ideas that have made think about the selection .
For instance :-
Maxi Rodriguez does deserve to retain his place , some consistency in player selection might benefit long term .
I think Roy hodgson will stick with the 4-2-3-1 .
Maybe Kyrgiakos should miss out , but I would be surprised if RH drops him .
05 Nov 2010 19:19:39
Why would Jova get a game after last nights performance absolute s* t. No doubt if fit enough he'll play Dirk on the right
Maxi left side if fit would be better, Maxi not my fav but done enough against Bolton last week, and played better on the left somehow. We need someone playing closer to nando though and if Poulson dons a red shirt again Roy will have to go. . . . .
05 Nov 2010 18:33:01
My team for the Chelsea game :-
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. .Carragher. . . Skrtel. . .Kyrgiakos. . .Konchesky. .
. . . . . . . Lucas. . . .Gerrard. . . .Meireles. . . . . .
Johnson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Jovanovic
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
What do You think of the above side for the Chelsea game , and if you disgree , what changes would you make?
05 Nov 2010 19:14:05
05 Nov 2010 18:33:16
Mr Hodgson is just a doddering old fart, he's out dated, old fashioned and way out of his league.He sits in the dug out looking confused and lost, scratching his head and picking his nose, I'm beginning to believe he has actually escaped from an old persons home, all he needs is a warm cosy blanket thrown over him and he'd fall straight asleep, worthers original anyone?
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IS HODGSON LIKE GRAHAM TAYLOR AN ADVOCATE OF THE CHARLES HUGHES STYLE OF FOOTBALL MANAGEMENT. I.E DIRECT, LONG BALL, UNSUCCESSFUL AND OLD FASHIONED ?
05 Nov 2010 19:11:07
I would bring Babel into the starting line up because he got width and the most important he is quick and when you have pace you can trouble any defense and i think our team is lacking pace.
05 Nov 2010 19:03:16
'My team for the Chelsea game :-
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. .Carragher. . . Skrtel. . .Kyrgiakos. . .Konchesky. .
. . . . . . . Lucas. . . .Gerrard. . . .Meireles. . . . . .
Johnson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Jovanovic
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
What do You think of the above side for the Chelsea game , and if you disgree , what changes would you make ?'
I would put gerrard as second striker with torres and put aurelio instead of konchesky. I would swap jova with kuyt
05 Nov 2010 18:46:06
Funny how people are changing ther minds on lucas, now poulsen has been brought in. i always felt he took alot of uinfair stick 2 be honest, i saw some stats on ssn at the beginning of the season and statistically playin in the dm role he was third best performer in the prem, i think his biggest problem is 2 things, 1. hes brazilian and when when you think of brazil, you think flair, tricks, an array of clever passes etc, which he doesn't posess, and 2. playing dm was never his position growing up, he has had to learn that role and he has done it in front of 45000 each week. we have to remember this lad was captain of his country at under 21 level and has played in the first 11. lucas looks worse than what he is because hes playing next to another dm. had he like masch played next to alonso i think he would have had more credit. play him in a 3 man midfield holding with gerrard and mereiles sunday with cole and jovanovic supporting torres. go for the throat early roy and bring back the confidence!
05 Nov 2010 18:43:36
RE:
My team for the Chelsea game :-
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .REINA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .Carragher. . . Skrtel. . .Kyrgiakos. . .Konchesky. .
. . . . . . . Lucas. . . .Gerrard. . . .Meireles. . . . . .
Johnson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Jovanovic
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
What do You think of the above side for the Chelsea game , and if you disgree , what changes would you make ?
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Play Kelly at RB and move Carra instead of Skrtel. Carra wouldn't be able to manage Malouda and Ashley Cole bombing down the left.
05 Nov 2010 18:42:53
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .REINA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .Carragher. . . Skrtel. . .Kyrgiakos. . .Konchesky. .
. . . . . . . Lucas. . . .Gerrard. . . .Meireles. . . . . .
Johnson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Jovanovic
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
What do You think of the above side for the Chelsea game , and if you disgree , what changes would you make ?
I would put maxi on instead onj jovanavic and bring him on in the second half_maxi has been playing well for the last few games
05 Nov 2010 18:33:16
Mr Hodgson is just a doddering old fart, he's out dated, old fashioned and way out of his league.He sits in the dug out looking confused and lost, scratching his head and picking his nose, I'm beginning to believe he has actually escaped from an old persons home, all he needs is a warm cosy blanket thrown over him and he'd fall straight asleep, worthers original anyone?
05 Nov 2010 18:18:28
John Henry said in his statement today that 'Roy is the manager, and no change is imminent'. He didn't guarantee anything for the future, but the fact that he ruled out an imminent change says to me that NESV arent going to use the early pay-off clause. If they sack Roy on Monday, Henry will then look dishonest.
Its one thing to say 'no guarantees', its another to actually specifically rule out any imminent changes.
So it looks very much as if Roy is here till at least January, unless the team play so badly in November that NESV have no option, or there is a massive player revolt.
I'm absolutely amazed that people like NESV, who are so single minded about winning, can look at the recent performances- forget about the results, its the performances that scare me- and they still think this is the way back into the CL. Wow
Roy even said in his pre-match interview something about how his aim for the game was to make sure we keep a solid defense, and then to take opportunities to go forwards. And this is at Anfield!
Its so sad to see the manager losing the fans like this, by just refusing to listen
05 Nov 2010 18:15:58
How come everyone on here was saying get rid of gerrard the other day and what do you know. . . he saves our skin last night and sure enough all that is forgotten and he is once again your saviour. Support the LFC, not slag the players! !
05 Nov 2010 18:12:48
Please could everyone stop putting johnson as a right back since he has been at the club the defence are all over the place move him up the pitch or transfer him also carra has been a super player for liverpool but he gets found out easy now as for you lot that gives gerrard a hard time our out of order i dread to think where this great club would be if it was not for him
05 Nov 2010 17:55:03
Abit of banter and (allthough i normally defend him) a dig at roys philosophy. 1* why play 2 defensive mids against an average team at home = not good enough 2* not encouraging our centre back to push up further than the edge of our own box for the majority of the game = not good enough 3* this next point has been covered in the rumour section. playing shelvery out of position (who played well last night btw) and then not givin pacheco a look in = not good enough. 4th and final point which should be the final nail for mr hodgson is. . did anyone count how many times our players were in posession, looked up and had to open there arms and ask players where the next pass was? pass and move has gone and so should roy. realistic red.
05 Nov 2010 17:54:54
My team for the Chelsea game :-
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. .Carragher. . . Skrtel. . .Kyrgiakos. . .Konchesky. .
. . . . . . . Lucas. . . .Gerrard. . . .Meireles. . . . . .
Johnson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Jovanovic
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
05 Nov 2010 17:45:49
Is it just me or does anybody else think that JWH's wifes hot.ED?
GTH {ed's note - that has been mentioned on almost every one of the sites since she appeared at the game. I expect there will be a lot more press at every game in the near future, looking to get pics of her.}
05 Nov 2010 17:15:29
05 Nov 2010 16:52:10
Anyone else agree the more and more i see of Lucas the more he impresses me.Stop giving the guy a hard time since he replaced the average danish in midfield we have won all 3 games!
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Lucas has showed he can play. When he came to the club in 2007 he had some outstanding performances (v Inter in the San Siro). Obviously he has lacked confidence in the past year or two, but he is essentially now one of most experienced players. Seemingly he has a good relationship with Gerrard and carragher, which should help his Liverpool career continue.
05 Nov 2010 17:13:34
Hi Ed so you didn't see fit to put my joke on your site. . no sense of humour?
Just one question. .if you know so much why not tell us what is going on rather than poking fun at everyones suggestions?
{Editor's Note: It wasn't me who cut it but there would have been a reason. The Eds are simply providing their views. It may have ended up in a different folder - so hunt around. If you don't like the views you can easily pass over any Ed's responses.}
05 Nov 2010 17:12:28
Stop hating on Lucas. Sure, for every string of good games he gets there seems to be a longer string of bad games at the moment. But, Rafa forced him into a defensive minded midfield role. This is quite obviously not his best position. All his good performances have come when he has been pushed up the pitch. If Roy lets Meireles sit deeper and frees Lucas to push on with Gerrard then he will shine.
05 Nov 2010 17:08:31
Im in shock how can some Liverpool fans be on Steven Gerrard's back. . . Steven Gerrard is the reason Liverpool aren't a mid table team (with all due respect) Gerrard has saved us countless times from lossess and he's the prime reason for are success.
yet some moron fans seem to forget this and question his commitment to the club. who the hell do you think you are?
the older generation of Liverpool fans (which dosen't include me) were true Liverpool fans and would support every single liverpool player no matter what but the new generation of fans constantly criticize Roy Hodgson, Lucas Leiva etc
So come on boys lets stand up and give are boys the response that they rightfully deserve and show are new owners what it means to be a Liverpudlian
LFC'S MANGO
05 Nov 2010 17:05:55
"Reply to you.
I am not the guy you intend this 2 but i would like to comment on this
chelsea may not have won any european league whatsoever , they got close 1 time very close and should of gone through against barca 2 years ago . despite that they own premier league which our beloved liverpool havent done in many years and chelsea is way stronger then us atm . stop living in the past. our past prices will not help getting new ones. . really =x chelsea is just way ahead of any PL team at the moment .
Lets just hope we get lucky on sunday and get a draw or win against chelsea, which i doubt . ."
Nice try mate, but nobody is buying it.
05 Nov 2010 16:45:16
With out Stevie G you are nothing. Your just a one man team.
in reply to this drivel,
let me guess your'e either a manure shi*bag or a chelski ar*eboy either way.
none of us would argue that at present we rely on gerrard. but unlike your teams we are now building a solid foundation to work from so that our team will be great in the years to come not just the now manure are 1 billion in debt so can't see that playing out too well, and chelski can't even comment on our team as you havent even won a european cup useless pric*ks lets see how long it takes roman before he gets bored pis*sing his money away on you lot.
so runalong back to your sites
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Reply to you.
I am not the guy you intend this 2 but i would like to comment on this
chelsea may not have won any european league whatsoever , they got close 1 time very close and should of gone through against barca 2 years ago . despite that they own premier league which our beloved liverpool havent done in many years and chelsea is way stronger then us atm . stop living in the past. our past prices will not help getting new ones. . really =x chelsea is just way ahead of any PL team at the moment .
Lets just hope we get lucky on sunday and get a draw or win against chelsea, which i doubt . .
05 Nov 2010 16:26:05
Nice guy Woy dosent seem to be so nice after all , already fell out with Agger and Pacheco and looking at body language of other players there dosent seem like there are many players playing for the manager. Much a i hate calling for managers to get sacked RH dosent seem to be able to motivate the players and has to go . We need a manager who is brave and will use and bring through the talent we seem to have in the reserves and youth team ( who said you will never win anything with kids ) If you are good enough you are old enough i hate being told players are still young at 22 and 23 if they are not getting regular games by this age they very probably not make it . We need to stop worrying about other teams and put out attacking teams 2 forwards that make the opposition think and worry about us we are Liverpool we shouldnt be scared of other team what do you think ed.
Don't be afraid of the dark {ed's note - I fully agree mate.}
05 Nov 2010 16:22:07
Pouleson was pathetic last night and Konchesky didn't bode any better their not LFC class and what happened to Danny boy Pach? ?
SinghKING
05 Nov 2010 16:21:04
Firstly no "investment in place" to develop Anfield or start on new stadium for "couple of years" - A major loss in revenue stream. Losing ground on Man Ure, Arsenal on capacity income for every home game (approx £1m per home game lost in comparison. 2 years = £38m lost)
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£38m lost? How can we lose money that we're not even making at the moment??
05 Nov 2010 16:20:05
Ok Carra has been a good servant to LFC but he should be squad player from next year we need another in his postion as Carra is becoming to much of a liabilty.
Agree!
SinghKING
05 Nov 2010 16:18:45
I am sick of us being linked with fulham players, if they are so wanted by hodgson why in hell didn't he just stay there and leave us alone instead of trying to turn liverpool into his former team; he will always have this habit of dwelling in the past, the man is deluded with just no forward vision. ROY WE WILL NOT BECOME MID TABLE FULHAM , IF YOU MISS YOUR OLD PLAYERS SO MUCH, JUST GO BACK AND BECOME HUGHES'S ASSISTANT! don't you agree?
05 Nov 2010 16:17:12
Listen up! the reason why Commoli is in is bcuz the owners do not trust Roy with the transfer funds simple.
Its a group decision on who we buy and who can blame them Commoli is on a salary of 10th of the funds Roy would waste. Agree! !
SinghKING
05 Nov 2010 16:17:09
Johnson shud defo be moved up 2 right wing, he wud defo do a gud job 4 us.be solid 2.kelly shud b given the chance at the back.also straight swap babel 4 dempsey sound interestin.
05 Nov 2010 16:15:58
This site as much as i loved reading it, it is becoming full of people moaning about players and RH. RH has inherited a squad with no quality out wide and up front and he is atleast giving youth a regular chance more than RB did, apparently Pacheco turned upo late to a training and had a little disagreement with RH, but palying Kelly and Shelvey regularaly in the prem would be stupid not with the way things are going atm yh they can be good but NO!
I wish i would see people praising people and giving support like cheering as lous as possible like when gerrard scored the goals yesterday!
RH will not be leaving soon unless some more loses and Glen (won us that penalty with his great attacking ability) and Lucas won't be leaving in jan Aggers is the best all round CD we got but injured way too much like he is atm, Konchesky i don't see what hes done badly so far not been amazing but solid, less of a liability than Insua! January will be big for him if he buys the C.Coles of this world then that's not good enough, but if we didn't have RB selling alonso and Masch leaving cos of the owner situation and didn't have to sell Crouch and bellamy for other players we would have a great team and a good squad with XA JM in the middle with SG and FT upfront.
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you make some very good points. however let me try and explain my reasoning. I worry that roy just isn't the man to lead us forward, i really dont. I have followed liverpool all my life, my dad took me to the kop when i was 7. and i have been going on and off since then. am now 56.
In response to your post, so roy inherited a squad short of width and upfront did he. so what were his first buys then. how many wingers or strikers did he buy?
Next you say he is giving youth a chance. yes maybe he is. but how many is he playing out of position?
Regarding selling players. if a player truly wants to go what club in the world can honestly hold on to them.
Roy knew the situation when he tok the job, he knew the players that were here but chose to buy average journeymen which we really didn't need,
I don't mean to sound defeatist or be constantly moaning about roy. but why don't i have a right to. i pay a lot of my hard earned money to watch liverpool. why shouldnt i have a whinge when we are subjected to second rate tactics and play that emerges from a mediocre manager at best.
I want more for my team. and so should everyone
chris 1
05 Nov 2010 16:15:24
This to be done in jan:
out:
jova (5 million)
maxi (5 million)
babel (7 million)
kuyt (8 million)
johnson (11 million)
total 36 million
+ 25 million = 61 million
Buy:
Srna (6 million) last year of his contract I believe
Turan (10million) life long lfc fan and top quality player
Llorente/ hulk/ sanchez (20 million) all good goals scores and are physically strong
Mata (20 million) It may be hard to attract him but I think if torres and renia can convince him we're going to challenge then he'll join. If we fail to get him them we should go after hazard or young.
Loan pacheco to pl club for pl experience.
56 million spend
net spend 20 million
Renia
srna skrtel agger konchesky
turan gerrard miereles (mata/ young/ hazard)
torres (Llorente/ hulk/ sanchez)
any thoughts
05 Nov 2010 16:09:18
Folks
I have it on good knowledge that Liverpool are going to sign David Bentley and Peter crouch for a combined fee of £18 million + Babel going the other way. Also Maxi, Jovanivic, Agger all gong in the summer, last but not least RH going if were not in europe.
05 Nov 2010 16:08:27
WE DO NOT NEED A CENTRE HALF!for god sake quit the bollox!
05 Nov 2010 16:06:17
{ed's note - he has been a bit of a journeyman striker, now he is being linked with us, I am a bit dubious to say the least. He is 25, if he was that good he would surely have been spotted before now by one of the bigger leagues you would expect. 42 goals in 100 appearances is not a bad record, but it is hardly top class in a poor league.}
ed i understand what ur sayin about him not being spotted before now. but didier drogba wasnt sotted by marseille until he was 25, and look how he turnde out, although he took a while to turn world class, ,
also , mario gomez, iv said time and time again that he is a potentially good signing and countless editors have hung me for it lol.
he is a good striker and is having a good season so far, , i don't think hes worth the 25 mill that bayern are askng for . but 14-16M sounds about rite,
can u reply in regards to both points i have made here. .cheers
jay b
{EDITOR'S NOTE: Gomez is a good player not an exellent player. but for a fee between £11-14 M would give good depth to the squads strike force. If liverpool could unearth a Drogba they would be great lol. Some great players need the right coach to reach full potential}
05 Nov 2010 16:05:12
All this talk of needing a ball playing good passing midfielder i feel everyone's missing an obvious player who fits the NESV criteria- Tom Huddlestone, the way he sprays the ball aroun reminds me of xabi plus he can tackle and is used to the premier league i think we should break the bank for him, what do you think ed and anyone else.
05 Nov 2010 16:03:07
Anyone that says that such is happening and this will happen because of it, shut up because you don't know. .
05 Nov 2010 15:58:28
This site as much as i loved reading it, it is becoming full of people moaning about players and RH. RH has inherited a squad with no quality out wide and up front and he is atleast giving youth a regular chance more than RB did, apparently Pacheco turned upo late to a training and had a little disagreement with RH, but palying Kelly and Shelvey regularaly in the prem would be stupid not with the way things are going atm yh they can be good but NO!
I wish i would see people praising people and giving support like cheering as lous as possible like when gerrard scored the goals yesterday!
RH will not be leaving soon unless some more loses and Glen (won us that penalty with his great attacking ability) and Lucas won't be leaving in jan Aggers is the best all round CD we got but injured way too much like he is atm, Konchesky i don't see what hes done badly so far not been amazing but solid, less of a liability than Insua! January will be big for him if he buys the C.Coles of this world then that's not good enough, but if we didn't have RB selling alonso and Masch leaving cos of the owner situation and didn't have to sell Crouch and bellamy for other players we would have a great team and a good squad with XA JM in the middle with SG and FT upfront.
05 Nov 2010 15:58:02
To the guy who posted this. .
05 Nov 2010 15:35:59
Breaking news!
Tom werner to be named as new lfc chairman.latest news by dan roan of bbc.ed do u know if this is a good appointment and do u knw if dan roan is a lfc fan. {ed's note - this is the guy who pushed NESV into buying the club isn't it? This is the one who is the Liverpool fan is it not? If so I would think that it has to be a good thing! I haven't a clue about Roan though sorry.}
Tom Werner was always going to be appointed Chairman, as soon as the club's transition period was coming to an end. Martin Broughton will remain as Chairman until everything is confirmed, but will step down probably before the Chelsea game. Quite fitting really considering Broughton is a Chelsea fan. He will be present at Anfield for the game for his farewell before he leaves, sadly, for good.
Tom Werner however is not the Liverpool fan. Joe Januszewski is the member of the NESV structure who is the Liverpool fan. He is the Boston Red Sox Senior Vice-president of Corporate Sales.
Woody.
05 Nov 2010 15:56:48
To the person who said this:
'The new board agree 100% with Hodgson, as they feel he is one of a number of players who are significantly overpaid for their worth to the club - On this list, are also Carragher (not so much because of his worth to the club but his age), Kuyt, Maxi and Agger.'
carra has just signed a new 2 year extension you doughnut!
He signed this before the takeover I think - DOUGHNUT! I am right ed aren't I?
05 Nov 2010 15:53:15
I am with the Ed on this, that Steven Gerrard is not the greatest Player we have ever had. One of the best servants without a doubt , but the greatest no way .As for Carra saying so, what would he know of our past players, him being a blue nose at heart. I once read he thought Sharp was better than Rush.He would, being a diehard Blue, from a family of die hard Blues. Please do not get me started on Mr Scream.I never saw Billy Liddel play but my father said he was the greatest, and he saw all the greats.I loved the mighty Emlyn Hughes, King Kenny and Souness, and personally.would put them ahead of Gerrard.Even Jimmy Case but he self destructed. but this is only my opinion. I just dream of a team without Carragher, a team without Carragher., a team without Carragher.
05 Nov 2010 15:34:19
For Me, Our problem at the moment is square pegs in round holes. We've got central midfielders and strikers playing on the wings and along with Roys negative approach it just totally unbalances the side. Until the transfer window opens theres nothing we can about it, so the answer is to just play to our strengths. We have good CM's and some tidy strikers so lets use them. I'd play 4-3-3,
. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
GJ. . . . . . . Soto. . . . . . .Agger. . . . . . . . .Aurelio
. . . . .Meireles. . . . .SG. . . . . . . . Cole. . . . .
. . . .Kuyt. . . . . . . . Torres. . . . . .Jovanovic. . . .
I'd tell the 3 in midfield to just find space to recieve the ball and not worry about rigidly sticking to a formation. All good players want the ball and to get it they will move into space, so the formation would allow our better players to get on the ball more in the right areas of the pitch.
And to all the replies that will barrack me about how rubbish Soto is, and how he's not the answer. Your right he's not the answer to our defensive problems and there are much better CB's out there. But at the moment he's the best we've got available (Sadly Carra has had his day, and Skrtel just constantly gives away free kicks around the box which keep costing us dearly). Also, he's the only Defender we've got I always fancy to win a header. Personally, i'd like to see Ayala back in January rather than purchase a new CB.
I think we have got plenty of talented youths now approaching the level required to break into the 1st team, so rather than squander money on even more squad players that will just further set back our young talent, just bring in 1 or maybe 2 (depending on budget) star players who will truly advance our team, I'd go for Mata and Sanchez
Tommy Walsh
05 Nov 2010 15:26:31
Steven Gerrard has just pulled Liverpool FC out of a massive slump.
His performance against Napoli will rub off the rest of the squad members and hopefully players like Joe Cole and Torres will be inspired to raise their games in a similiar fashion.
That very performance could well earn LFC something against Chelsea on Sunday.
Hopefully LFC will gather some momentum and be in contention for 4th spot before the Janurary transfer window opens.
If LFC are in a good position before Janurary, more top players will be interested in coming to LFC during the transfer window.
YWNA.
05 Nov 2010 15:25:50
In reply to chris1's rant
mate the worrying thing is everything you said is spot on its torture watching this useless pric* try an manage our great team
REDhunty
05 Nov 2010 15:20:27
05 Nov 2010 14:41:50
With out Stevie G you are nothing. Your just a one man team.
in reply to this drivel,
let me guess your'e either a manure shi*bag or a chelski ar*eboy either way.
none of us would argue that at present we rely on gerrard. but unlike your teams we are now building a solid foundation to work from so that our team will be great in the years to come not just the now manure are 1 billion in debt so can't see that playing out too well, and chelski can't even comment on our team as you havent even won a european cup useless pric*ks lets see how long it takes roman before he gets bored pis*sing his money away on you lot.
so runalong back to your sites
05 Nov 2010 15:08:04
Do anybody know about the statement on koptalk homepage that nesv is still in the hunt for new manager and are set to interview candidates.anyone with koptalk membership.Ed, any news concerning that front.keep the faith.
{Editor's Note: I would imagine it is the usual conjecture/guess work.}
05 Nov 2010 15:03:10
Team after January;
Reina
Johnson Mexes Agger Cissokho
Cole Lucas Gerrard Marin
Almeida Torres
to the poster i agree with the lb - Cissokho great buy and a solid player like evra, but i do not want mexes/ almeida i would liketo see kelly/ ayala given a chance at cb and its a strong possiblity that we cud get the hulk as e wants out and wants to play in the epl. my team
Reina
kelly Carra Agger Cissokho
Johnson Meierles Gerrard cole
Hulk Torres
05 Nov 2010 14:44:03
05 Nov 2010 14:31:43
I do find it funny how, all of a sudden, Gerrard is one of the worlds best and we are, once again, a one man team!
Lets be honest, the game last night was Gerrard's best performance for the past 18 months and the only one during that period that can be put in the bracket of 'world class'.
So why are we not asking the question of our great captain as to why? - I know he has had personal issues, but if I let any such issues affect my job, I would be sacked, so I do not accept that as an excuse - Must be lack of committment to the cause maybe?
* I don't think Burger king would sack you for that.
05 Nov 2010 14:41:50
With out Stevie G you are nothing. Your just a one man team.
05 Nov 2010 14:34:00
Douglas costa came on as a sub against arsenal and didn't show alot he was also linked heavily with the swum over 12 months ago. mr bad
05 Nov 2010 14:32:39
"have we lost the optimism"
No, we have got Roy. :-)
05 Nov 2010 14:16:43
Hello. Roy here.
I have been reading on this site and others, how so many of you so called supporters want me to leave. Well i have to say i think its jolly unfair. and i would just like you all to understand how wonderful i truly am.
I bet you didn't know that i have managed 16 different teams in 8 countries did you. or that i took that behemoth of a footballing nation switzerland to the last 16 of the 94 world cup. Ha. bet you not feeling so good now are you. and i have to say we played some really good teams there as well. anyway let me continue to say how truly good i am.
In 2006/ 7 i will have you know i managed the finland national team and dragged them to their highest ever world ranking of 33rd. ha. bet you feeling a bit sick now arnt you.
I have managed many many notable teams. such as malmo, inter milan, grasshopper, copenhagen, udinese, blackburn to name a few.
I did wonders at fulham. they are such a hard team to play against now.
I will also have you know that i can speak 5 languages so am more than capapble of telling players to play out of position in whatever language they want.
I was a defender as a player. well. sort of. i mean i liked playing defence but couldnt manage to break into the first team at palace.
With my friend bob houghton we introduced the theory of zonal marking to swedish football for the first time. Its very technical so i won't try and explain how you do stuff like that. in fact i find that if i mix all the players up, get them to play out of position, explain gently to the younger players that they need to learn their stuff for at least 10 years before i let them on the pitch. .oh this works so well.
So all you doubters out there. let me assure you i am a fighter. i shall not relinquish control, but you have to understand that there are some very hard teams for us to play, they do unfair things like make us play their first team. i mean that's just not sporting is it.
Anyway i would just like to assure you all that i have told my players that they really shouldnt be going over the halfway line. i mean they can pass and stuff like that but i don't really want them running too much. they get tired and then they can't put my masterplan into action.
But you just wait. give me another couple of months. you will see us playing just like fulham did. you were beginning to see a bit of that during the first half against that really hard team napoli.
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Sorry. i know now that i have really lost the plot, but if i can't rant on here about the man where else can i do it
chris 1
05 Nov 2010 14:15:45
The worst thing that can happen in january is that we can lose our two of the best prospects in january, mavinga and Pacheco. . the reason we all know. . As I already said, you can see, from our recent matches that only youngster who are being given opportunities are English. .
don't know what to do? Any idea ed?
05 Nov 2010 14:12:05
05 Nov 2010 12:52:19
I would expect Johnson would perform similarly to bale if moved forward to the right wing. Would trouble most full backs.
The main reason Bale has been so successful as a left winger is his pace. He just knocks the ball past his man and no-one can catch him. Johnson is quick, but not that quick.
Actually, I'm not totally convinced by Bale as yet. He's had a good few months, but sooner or later defenders will work him out. When Arjen Robben first joined Chelsea, he was unplayable for the first few matches, but eventually teams learned to defend against him. Bale will soon find teams take extra effort to stop him. When that happens, we'll see how he adjusts his game. Then I'll be convinced.
05 Nov 2010 14:01:44
I hope Pacheco reads this site as it will show him how much admiration the fans have for his skill.
Drenthe is not an option, bad attitude and like Babel has failed to develop.
Sissoko or Taiwo for me.
05 Nov 2010 14:00:06
Alright all, just want to say how terrible last night was and that i would like feedback on the following line up until Jan window opens as i feel it would benefit the young lads and at least watch footballers with heart and passion than dross like poulsen.
Reina
Kelly Agger Skrtel Mavinga
Shelvey Gerrard
Pacheco Meireles Cole
Torres
Then after Jan window:
Reina
Kelly Agger Mavinga Coentrao
Shelvey Meireles
Pacheco Gerrard Hazard
Torres
Please let me know what fellow reds think.
Bobs boy
05 Nov 2010 13:56:33
So I hear that NESV had 28 days to make a decision on Roy Hodgson's managerial position? So they took over on the 15th October, meaning that a decision to keep him or let him go has to be made by the 12th November (next Friday). So if they're gona replace him we can expect to hear something next week then? Can anyone confirm if this "28 day" thing is true?
Plus, even if it is true I honestly can't see Hodgson leaving yet. Just a case of wishful thinking by me, and of course many other Liverpool fans.
05 Nov 2010 13:55:50
Do people actually watch football. Ive watched the game twice and here's how I see it.
Our back 4 (no matter who you play are average at best. We have the best keeper in the premier league and Pepe has been busy all year especially playing as a sweeper. His brilliance is masking the averageness of our back 4. I'd never thought i'd say this but we need Shawcross with Agger as a cb pairing until Wilson is ready. We also need a rb and a lb. Carra and Kelly can cover a bona fide rb(Coleman for 3Mill will do fine) and aurellio can cover Twaino at lb. Keep Soto as cb cover as he has no sale value at his age. Sell Konch, Skrtle and Johnson = 18-22 million. The books are balanced for my transfers.
Midfield next. The reason we have a -4 GD after 10 games is because we have no vision players playing in CM, and no width on the flanks. Players are played out of position and we are playing a DCM because our defense is slow and average. We need 4 CM (Lucas(has future here), Meireles(has vision), Darfor(Box to box w/ vision, 11M) and Shelvey(The future). Move on Poulson (free) Jovanovich(3M)Kuyt(hate to do it but cash in time 8-10M) Add Mata on right and Honda on left (27 mill combined) with maxi and JCole as backups. Gerrard in a float role/ hole behind Torres and LLorente (32Mill) with Ng'og as backup. Keep Pacheco too. Sell Babel 8 Mill , Aqua 12 Mill Spearing 3-4 Mill.If I got 4Mill for Maxi Id let him go too and promote Amoo. Net spend 25 MILL
Watching last nights game we play across the back, side to side and then short to a CM. Not one of our mid fielders receive the ball and tries to beat their one man. the only one that can do it and has done it in limited play has been Joe Cole. When you can't beat the man typically the ball is passed back and to the side again. Pressure is put on the defense and the ball is ultimately hoofed forward and it becomes less than a 50/ 50 ball. Xabi could make the pass without having to beat his man and the ball was usually a quality ball. Meireles for me has that ability to play good passes (maybe not Xabi good) but he seems to be played out of position and it's hard to play to your strengths if your out of position. Torres is only as good as his supply and I think with vision and supply and a playing partner in LLorente goals will be flowing.
Thoughts ED?? ?? ?
{Editor's Note: It seems like a not unreasonable fantasy side.}
05 Nov 2010 13:50:42
Just read on the match preview that we have not scored a league goal that was not scored or assisted by Gerrard or Torres since the opening day of the season
05 Nov 2010 13:44:34
Thank you Jamie carragher for saying Steven gerrard is the best player in Liverpool's history we had a debate a few weeks ago on here an the ed said gerrard was not fit too lace sounesses boots ha well I think jamie is in a better place to say who, s better an am glad he agrees with me the editor in my opinion is a proper tool who pretends to no everythink ( whichever ed it was I know there's a few ) an all you hangers on who agreed with him like I said souness an king kenny played in better teams FACT gerrard has carried Liverpool for the last 10 years FACT hence why I an carra think he's the best player in liverpool's history
05 Nov 2010 13:41:27
Liverpool Football Club would like to advise all supporters that due to technical issues with our service provider, all phone lines are currently unavailable.
We expect the lines to remain down for at least another hour and apologise for any inconvenience caused.
to many people phoning for roy to go maybe?
05 Nov 2010 13:36:06
For what its worth i would have brought stevie on instead of poulsen, and left jovanovic on. even though he was out of position.
I truly truly can't understand why pacheco isn't even making the bench. its just beyond belief!
Roy. please. .for once stop saying that every team we play is " a good team". "well organised" "we did well against a very good team". if you thinknapoli was a good team roy then i suggest you have a look at some others left inthe europa cup. you will have a stroke.
I apologise. i am so glad we won. but i just don't know how much more of these dreadful tactics i can take. it should be a joy to watch liverpool. at the moment i am just waiting for my first heart attack inbetween shouting at poulsen to actually pass the ball
Roy. i know times are hard. but i have budgeted. and i reckon i can afford a fiver a week to help you on your way.
chris 1
05 Nov 2010 13:32:48
Ed, you and i both know malouda being out injured is not the point. kelly and pecheco are not good enough yet! ! ! and chelsea have a number of players who would have a field day because they have a squ, squa-ah-ah, squad? what the h*ck is a squad?we don't have those on merseyside! ! ! !
05 Nov 2010 13:31:07
Ed do you not find funny that when roy was asked if shelvy and co were the future of the club he dodged the question when a simple yes would do
I think he defo on his way out he seems like a man on the ropes and i just can't get my head around him dodging that question
{Editor's Note: I try not to read anything in to anything said in interviews - many of the questions are loaded and evasion is an excellent tactic.}
05 Nov 2010 13:08:00
In reply to:
reina
kelly skrtel agger aurelio
johnson gerrard lucas cole
kuyt/ ngog(
torres
I'd play.
Reiina
Carra/ Soto/ Agger
Johnson/ Aurelio
Gerrard/ Miereles
Kuyt/ Torres/ Cole
05 Nov 2010 13:04:13
QUOTE "I bumped into King Carlo last night, he told me to ask you which Chelsea player would you least like to have to face on sunday, if you can all agree he will leave him out of the team on sunday.Beutiful Blue" UNQUOTE
Can you leave Terry out then the other sixteen will be too busy wondering which wife/ girlfriend the club captain's nobbling!
He's great for team spirit.
Bob the Red
05 Nov 2010 13:03:37
Lost the plot here, I can't understand what has happened to Liverpool's support base, when I read this page it gives me the impression that we must be the most pessimistic fans around, the West ham guys are even more optimistic than us, do none of us believe anymore? have we lost the optimism that made the Liverpool fans famous?
05 Nov 2010 13:02:56
Last nights game proved something I have been thinking and talking about for a very long time on here.
You can pretty much take any of our midfield (SG aside) and play them in the centre midfield role.
Neither Spearing, Poulsen or Shelvey did anything to excel, perhaps Spearing had the better game of the 3. Lucas looked good when he came on Meireles is another who I think will perform well played in an orthodox CM role.
For me - still - we need players who can unlock defences from wide positions.
I suggested last week that I would rather see Eccleston play as a winger than Jova or Maxi in the position, and at times I thought he looked a threat.
Aside from SG he seemed to be the only player that looked to take his man on and make something happen.
I don't want to be ridiculed for this but I am not convinced by many peoples opinions on Kelly being our best right back and the demand for Pacheco being given a lot more game time.
I have seen Kelly play in the reserves and in the Europa games and do not see anything too special as yet. This said Carra did not look entirely convincing in his first years at Liverpool playing Centre Mid and Left back, so perhaps Kelly will mature and find Centre Back as his position of choice. I don't think he is quick enough for a full back in todays game.
Pacheco - sorry I just don't see it. Yes, he is a good player but am I wrong to say that LFC fans are bringing their expectations down a peg or two to think he is really what we need? I don't see him as being a mobile player who can operate on the flanks and certainly not as good as Riera, Babel, Pennant, Benayoun etc who were all deemed not good enough to play for the reds.
Give youth a chance yes, but only if they are good enough. Dont favour English youth over foreigners, as long as we fit the quotas required.
Our youth policy has been abysmal considering the £m's that have been spent on the academy over the years.
* *WELSH KOPITE* *
05 Nov 2010 12:57:16
Personally I think there is too much pressure on Ngog to score. If we were scoring and winning games at will, the pressure would be off and he could just play his game. At the moment he is trying too hard to score. .
Trishan
05 Nov 2010 12:49:00
QUOTE "That was Napoli's 1st team there and with them having such a good first half we did well to keep it to 1-0." UNQUOTE
Seriously is the poster above just taking the pish? Who the hell are we kidding with this so called improvement on the pitch?
I'm sorry but i've just about had enough of these complete inept performances. I cannot take it anymore. The first half performance was without a shadow of doubt completely and utterly unacceptable.
i had to rub my eyes at what i was seeing. Let's face facts. Napoli are an above average Italian side no more no less. They have players that fit that description to a tee. Yet for 50 mins they were miles better than us.
I know the Ed isn't Gerrard's greatest fan and last night second half performance will only serve to gratify Gerrard's belief that he and he alone runs this club. And once again so it was proved last night.
Fundamentally having to rely on one player like we have done for years now to get us out of the mire time and time again isn't healthy. We all end up in the mistaken belief of thanking our lucky stars for Gerrard.
What will happen now is that the players will subconsciously wait for Gerrard to do something rather than taking the responsibility themselves and Gerrard will have his ego massaged once more by saying "Well if i don't it, no one will"
The Ed is totally opposed to this scenario and quite frankly i think it's getting pathetic. Instead of Gerrard contributing to the team, he is still thinking he is the team. And how right he is.
He isn't the player he was 2/ 3 years ago, his light is fading and yet here we are still having to rely on him.
Last night's tactics were shocking. You have two holding midfielders who couldn't pass water the pair of them and yet they do not even press the ball. They allow players to have space of at least 5 yards and are content to mark the 'space' between the back four and the ball. No. No. No. No. No.
The whole idea of the holding midfielder is to win the ball and break play up, then slide the ball five yards to the player who can play to launch our attacks. The whole notion of this role appears to have shifted and serves little to no purpose whatsoever.
If you squeeze the play, you create the errors. Yet if you're going to allow players the time to gather the ball, look up, roll the ball around their plicks until they decide they want to shift it on, what is the f* king point of having not one but bloody two holding midfielders, especially at home doing the same thing?? ?? ?
The only thing on Poulsen and Spearing's minds last night were to get behind the ball when we haven't got it. If we are going to allow quality players the time to be able to hurt us then they will time after time after time.
The one thing that drove me mad about Rafa in his last season was his tactics said slow tempo but he talked of a high tempo game. In the last 2 seasons every single one of the first halves we have played has been dire and the second is a reaction to the abysmal first half showing, which generally peter out after 15 mins in any event. In comes a new manager with a new vision, a new plan and the exact same tactics unbelievable. We may as well have kept hold of Rafa if we were going to be served up this pile of sh* e
On the positive side, Poulsen must have been bought in for a reason? That reason was to show all and sundry how much better Lucas actually is, because standing next to Poulsen alone must surely prove to the fans he aint that bad? If he could learn to pass the ball. . . . . . . . . .
I'm sick to death of it. I cannot take it anymore. Is it too damn much to ask we play with a high tempo, close the opposition down, work our socks off, get the ball forward without humping it forward, create chances and attempt to play good football?
Yes well obviously Mr Hodgson i wasn't talking to you!
Bob the Red
05 Nov 2010 12:42:25
"05 Nov 2010 12:08:33
Depending on fittness- this is liverpool's best team
reina
kelly skrtel agger aurelio
johnson gerrard lucas cole
kuyt/ ngog(
torres
very impressed with ngog lately- great ability to hold the play and lay it off to team mate. "
Ngog is getting better, but if you ever want to get near winning the prem, you have to accept he will never be good enough- not even for the bench.
Youth is not an excuse either. Look at the even younger forward Manure just got in (Hernandez?), who scored with that backward header. He makes Ngog look like a 5 year old who is wandering around looking for his mum.
Utd have him, Rooney and Berbatov to call on as strikers when needed.
Look at what City have got to call on- who in their right mind would play Ngog before Tevez or Adebayor, or the others? Ngog would not get near their squad.
Likewise Arsenal, and Spurs.
Surely Ngog is the poorest of all the strikers in any of the major premiership clubs?
He's a lovely lad and he tries hard most of the time, but he's just not good enough for a top 6 club, and if there had been any more transfer budget for a striker in the summer, he wouldn't be wearing red now.
And after January, IF the right striker can be found at the right price- there will be very times Ngog will wear red again.
05 Nov 2010 12:40:53
- - - - - -REINA (aged 26 will play till 35)- - - - -
Johnson/ Kelly(u 24)- - Skrtel - -Agger(23)- - -LB-
- - - - -Lucas (22)- - -Spearing (u 20)- - - - - -
RW- - - - - - -Shelvey (U21)- - - - Eccleston(19)
- - - - - - - - N'Gog- - - Pacheco- - -
good team but you got 12 players. . . try this for the coming years.
- - - - - - - Bouzanis (20)/ Gulacsi (20) - - - - - -
Kelly(20)- - wisdom(19) - -Ayala(19)- - -Mavinga (19)
- - - - - - - - Lucas[cpt](22)- - - - - - - - - - -
Amoo(19)- - - - - - - - Shelvey (18)- - Eccleston(19)
- - - - - - - - N'Gog(21)- - - Pacheco(19)- - - - - - -
possible subs; Spearing(21), Ince, Suso, Irwin, Darby, Wilson, codey, Palsson, Robinson, Bruna, Silva, Flanagan, Saric, Mendy, Adorjan, Ngoo. . very bright future we have.
05 Nov 2010 12:40:50
Personally i think without any additions this should be our starting 11
reina
johnson carra agger kelly
meireles
shelvey gerrard
kuyt pacheco
torres
this would make sure as few players as possible are playing out of position also allowing stevie shelvey and meireles to attack when they want we don't need dm its a load of cra* midfielders should all be able to tackle and defend
ed would you think ? {ed's note - Kelly would be completely out of position on the left, he is a centre back! I think Konch or Mavinga should be the left back.}
05 Nov 2010 12:31:10
Comments on last night. Nice to see lovely Linda singing along.
Poulsen needs to go. We don't need a DM we need a CM who can PASS.
Torres sitting in the stand with arms folded and a face like a slapped arse. Can't see him staying.
Kyriagos proving to be a real asset.
Why was Jov taken off at half time? Proves Roy hasn't got a clue.
Also, I don't want a B team playing in Europe - I want to see our best possible side.
Snoopy
05 Nov 2010 12:30:54
Just bumped in to beautiful blue's boyfriend colin and apparently the real reason he is in a bad mood is that he lost the vaseline last night and is now quite sore,
bless him poor basta*d supports a team with no history. and now he has a real sore ars* all this on top of being illiterate.
05 Nov 2010 12:22:05
Ye mate, pecheco and kelly down the fight a.cole and malouda would have a field day. there not good enough. . . . . . yet. jonhson and kuyt clearly the better options, i know everyones like "ye give the youth a chance" but just kop on. see what i did there {ed's note - Malouda is out injured.}
05 Nov 2010 12:20:22
Good win , but poor performance again. Roys tactics are too negative and we will never be a force with those tactics.
If we want to compete with the best we need to at least go with the intention of winning a game, not start at half time. Roys intention is always not to loose the game, then see how it goes. I'd rather give it ago and loose than try and comeback from the dead each time we fall a goal behind.
Sorry Roy and Sammy lee get your coats move aside and make room for a progressive forward thinking coach. ( god knows who!) He took Jovanavic off but he was the only one that provided decent crosses in the first half. He should have taken Poulsen off.( he is actually worst than Lucas) Gerrard saved the day, but we all know he can do that, so don't praise Roy for bringing him on, every other manager on the planet would have done the same.It does not take a flippin genius to work that out.
At least henry was there to see for himself that maybe its beyond Roy.
Shelvey looks a good prospect but is only 18 and will develop physically. Spearing is not good enough for the top level, Ecclestone will need more time, but I don't think he will get the chances to develop. Krygiakos could become a legend. meireles is improving but needs to be played in the same position consistently to grow into the team. We just need to keep the vultures away from SteveG , Torres and Reina, change the manager, buy a 2 or 3 match winners (25m plus any income raised from sales: sell Lucas, babel, Jova, carra, (yes him) spearing, cole, ngog, poulson & maxi ), and we might have a chance of champs league, then we can build next summer. If we can get into champs league, gerrard, torres and reina will stay. if we do not, let them go with our blessing, but i am hopeful if we make the changes as above.
And please, for all those that want bentley or cole or wright philips or adams, when did they ever win matches for their teams, get real, we don't want anyone elses hand me downs., we don't need them, it will not help us in the long term. If Roy gets these, we are well and truly screwed.
RED FIRST & LAST.
05 Nov 2010 12:17:39
Roy is good at appologising. . hope one day he'll apologise for singing Poulson who is exactly one leg of Masherano. Poulsen would look not too bad if played next to Alonso. . but we don't have Alonso.
Shelvey should be groomed for that Alonso role, he's got on him that ability of an eccentric pass that Alonso had, what we call creativity. PLAY HIM IN CM, ROY. PLAY PACHECO behind the striker. I hope ou read this, Roy. And if you don't hed our advise, you'll soon become the hated persona here.! !
RHI
05 Nov 2010 12:12:08
Scouse Tommy, you have no chance against Chelsea, you could play with 12 players against 10 and still get beat.Beutiful Blue
My god this guy is completely obsessed with Liverpool, poor bugger it must be hard though supporting a team with no history and being completely illiterate!
YNWA
05 Nov 2010 12:09:20
Question have we scored a goal in the first half of any EPL game this session? all i can think of that is maybe Sunderland?
05 Nov 2010 12:06:18
Lucas once again shows that when not tied to his own half he's capable of making a good contribution. Spearing looks like he's getting a bit more positional nous as well.
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yeah i don't get that, why can't dm get forward and back? why do they have to hold position when there is defenders? and why play 451 when we still concede anyway? and all roy has done since he came here was try and play the same style of football that rafa did, but only rafa didn't really play players out of position when he didn't have to. (again referring to Shelvey and Pacheco)
05 Nov 2010 12:01:59
I think the people who posted gerrard is past 30 so we should sell him, are hiding right now. Yesterday or the day before i replied and said hes the best midfielder in the world. And i think that was backed up last nite.
Also i remember ZIDANE about a year ago saying hes the best in da world!
His all round playing abillity makes him the best player in the world. people say messi, ronaldo. But they can't tackle, won't run 70 back to help the defence, ect etc
People say xavi is the best midfielder in the world. But i think any player playing in that team looks the best in their position. If you swap xavi for gerrard, ohh gerrard is suddenly the best in the world!
Harry5:)
05 Nov 2010 12:00:16
The foul on Ngog was shocking. Seen it in slo-mo on telly this morning and it's even worse. That could easily have been a leg-breaker and was deliberate.
RED LENIN {ed's note - how did the ref and linesman not see it? It was a clear and horrendous assault, there was no attempt to do anything but hurt the lad.}
^^that's because ngog skilled them a few times in the second half. he's actually quite good and calm on the ball at his feet.
05 Nov 2010 11:36:44
Scouse Tommy, you have no chance against Chelsea, you could play with 12 players against 10 and still get beat.Beutiful Blue
05 Nov 2010 11:16:40
Well we saw a few things last night. Once again it was glaringly obvious that Johnson is more suited to right-mid than right-back. He actually had a very good game and put some good work in. We saw that Poulson is not really up to standard. We saw John Henry's wif start looking bored/ bemused and by the end a fanatic die-hard red. But more importantly we saw that there is possibly some kind of major difference between Gerrard and Hodgson. Until Gerrard came on the team was erratic and would have probably scored but conceded a second. Gerrard once on the pitch not only inspired and led by example, but he also re-organised the team and was blatantly ignoring Hodgson's gesticulations from the sidelines and as other players were being shouted at from the touch line promptly re-instructed them himself.
The foul on Ngog was shocking. Seen it in slo-mo on telly this morning and it's even worse. That could easily have been a leg-breaker and was deliberate.
RED LENIN {ed's note - how did the ref and linesman not see it? It was a clear and horrendous assault, there was no attempt to do anything but hurt the lad.}
05 Nov 2010 11:13:05
Tried to post earlier but it didn't go up, probably just aswell because it was abit of a rant. did any1 see roy's pre-match interview, he was asked if spearing a shelvey were the future of liverpool. and instead of saying something like, yes they are both quality players and will get even better. he still managed to f*ck up an easy question like that. i have lost what little respect i had left for roy after last night.
always a red
05 Nov 2010 11:09:18
I've got to say, as much as i despair when i see Poulsen's name in the squad, something else is annoying me far more - Glen Johnson. Is he the laziest passer of a ball we've ever had? He constantly gets in good positions and then doesn't even bother to shape himself properly to cross it, he just hits and hopes it beats the first man. He tried a little give-and-go several times and never managed to even miss the outstretched leg of the man he was trying to run past. He's got the ability but his application is starting to resemble Babel's lackadaisical "this'll do" approach.
Nice to see Ecclestone get a game on the bigger stage though and Lucas once again shows that when not tied to his own half he's capable of making a good contribution. Spearing looks like he's getting a bit more positional nous as well.
05 Nov 2010 10:52:32
Some so called fans are bloody perverts. Having a go at Linda pizzuti. Atleast leave that female for christ's sake. Err, for henry's sake.
05 Nov 2010 10:47:24
I am amazed at some of the posts on this site! - I think the vast majority of you must have some sort of memory loss, as you are talking as if we have suddenly changed from an all out attacking team to extremely negative - - Can you not remember some of the strange tactics Rafa adopted? and, before him Gerard? - We have not been an attacking team for some considerable time !
And, lets be honest, as a manager, you cannot make players 'fit' a certain style, you have to adapt the style to the players available and, our strenghths at the moment are not up front !
05 Nov 2010 10:22:25
I really can't see how people can slag of the performance yesterday, considering the side we had out last night. That was Napoli's 1st team there and with them having such a good first half we did well to keep it to 1-0. Minus Reina, Carragher, Johnson, Konchesky and Meireles, that was our reserves. Jovanovic looked a threat for the 1st time since he has arrived, Jonjo looked composed and very promising, Spearing did a good job - i'm sure leaving the management team thinking why did we spend £5m on a player who is 30odd and costs considerably more in wages when we have someone of similar ability already. Gerrard came on and made a huge difference, are people disappointed in that? Surely his performance was what we want to going into our most important game of the season! Lucas came on and made a difference too,
05 Nov 2010 10:01:22
I cannot believe the negativity on here - I'm sorry but as much as I'm disappointed by Roy negativity at times, you lot should hang your head in shame for some of the comments here. Support the team for F's sake!
Some of you even talk about wanting us to lose! Yes the first half was poor but it was an unfamiliar team finding their way, the second half WAS not all about Stevie G, there were 10 others! The second penalty was earned by Johnstons attacking play, who was playing his first game in a few weeks and managed 90 minutes whilst the third goal was set up by Lucas' brilliant tackle.
Support the team and appreciate the benefits that a good run of results and confidence can bring. We are laying the foundations, I think Henry and Comolli have got the right ideas but its going to take time.
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Here here. If anyone of the negative boo boys were at the game last night, they will have seen us start very brightly for the first 10 minutes and lose their way for the next 20 until they scored. After that we dominated.
The only negative thing I would say is that Poulsen should not play again. Worst player in the Liverpool midfield since Bruno Cheyrou. I don't think its any coinicidence that we have won the last 2 league games with Lucas in centre mid. I cannot understand the negative comments. Yes he was not great when he came as a kid but he was our most consistent player last year and I think he could become our Darren Fletcher. - busy midfileder, decent tackler and may pitch in with a couple of goals. I think the way he has handled the Anfiled boo boys by never moaning and working hard at his game deserves a lot of credit. So comments like "I'll drive you to Milan myself" are carp - particularly whne you look at our other midfield options.
If we start with Torres up top, with Ecclestone, Meireles, Gerrard, Lucas and Shelvey in Midfield against Chelsea, I think we have a good chance of winning the game.
Scouser Tommy
05 Nov 2010 09:56:54
I think are youth last night was great after stevie g came on. I know he started it but i reckon that the first team wouldn't have done what the youths did last night
05 Nov 2010 09:38:47
Poulsen - what is he actually bringing to the team? I only ever see him jogging around making 5 yard passes max, usually backwards! But we all know he shouldnt be there.
I would love the youngsters to be blooded, but NESV are going to have to strengthen the team with quality first or these youngsters won't benefit from the opportunties given to them. Do you really think Spearing will learn anything off Poulsen for example?!
Positives - SG standing up and leading by example, best performance this season for him. Ngog held the ball up well and i thought he did ok. Ecclestone looked lively.
Negatives - Pretty much everything else!
Seriously though, a win is a win and its important we try to get a run together. Poor performance all round bar SG. Napoli tired in the second half so it gave us a chance. We are going to seriously struggle this season if RH stays. I see no progression, the players don't ever seem to be given direction during the game.
Anyway rant over. . . .
Fraz
05 Nov 2010 09:30:13
Rafa benitez is thought to be joining the preisthood after seeing an inspiration from God in the shape of a priest on a mountain of sugar.
05 Nov 2010 09:16:50
I cannot believe the negativity on here - I'm sorry but as much as I'm disappointed by Roy negativity at times, you lot should hang your head in shame for some of the comments here. Support the team for F's sake!
Some of you even talk about wanting us to lose! Yes the first half was poor but it was an unfamiliar team finding their way, the second half WAS not all about Stevie G, there were 10 others! The second penalty was earned by Johnstons attacking play, who was playing his first game in a few weeks and managed 90 minutes whilst the third goal was set up by Lucas' brilliant tackle.
Support the team and appreciate the benefits that a good run of results and confidence can bring. We are laying the foundations, I think Henry and Comolli have got the right ideas but its going to take time.
On a personal note I'd love us to sign Affelay, Wickham and Honda - talent and youthful promise. The other problem is there's only so many foreign players we can sign as we have one of the lowest levels of home grown players in the premiership so please stop listing all the big names you've watched on YouTube!
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
However, the first goal was only due to the determined run from Shelvey who took on the defenders creating panic in them and especially Dossena who put it back to the keeper.
Shelvey and Spearing are the future,
I feel Lucas Spearin and Shelvey can combine to give what Alonso Mascha and Gerrard did but it will take them time playing together and adapting to each other.They r good players on the brink of greatness. Have faith in them RH, that's all I can hope. Spearing has a great eye for passes like Alonso. Lucas will do what Mascha did and Shelvey will do what SG does but with the inspirational part left to Spearing.
TBH, it is just a transformation phase and eveyr team goes thru this, so we need to be patient. It is a complete overhaul of the team. Shanks took 5-8 years to make us a force. RH is not that league but the team with players like Spearing Shelvey and Lucas can only get better no matter who the manager
Look at a future team on these lines
- - - - - -REINA (aged 26 will play till 35)- - - - -
Johnson/ Kelly(u 24)- - Skrtel - -Agger(23)- - -LB-
- - - - -Lucas (22)- - -Spearing (u 20)- - - - - -
RW- - - - - - -Shelvey (U21)- - - - Eccleston(19)
- - - - - - - - N'Gog- - - Pacheco- - - - - -
I know not many like N'Gog but he has a natural sense of position, it is only his finishing he needs to work on. A good coach would surely see that. All we need is a young Right wing and Left Back.
Just seen a glimpse of Ecclestone yesterday seems good but can't b sure. I hope coachs with gaith in youth are managing Liverpool in the future
05 Nov 2010 09:12:31
I bumped into King Carlo last night, and I told him about your predicament, you know crap squad and all that, he told me to ask you which Chelsea player would you least like to have to face on sunday, if you can all agree he will leave him out of the team on sunday, now that's very generous of him, so lets start with you ED which one do you want not to play.Beutiful Blue {ed's note - I really don't care about who Chelsea pick to play, it really doesn't bother me in the slightest.}
05 Nov 2010 09:11:51
To the comment below. I understand what you're saying, really. But can you honestly say that this current crop of players are going to finish in the top 4, I can't. His tactics are dire, his methods are poor, and he installs no moral in the side whatsoever. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Mine is that he is not good enough (Roy), so maybe desperate terms are needed to get rid of him.
05 Nov 2010 09:09:54
Eccelsen dribled kind of simmilar to neymar
05 Nov 2010 09:01:49
Steve Gerrard, Gerrard,
He'll pass the ball 40 yards
He's big and he's f* kin' hard,
Steve Gerrard, Gerrard
05 Nov 2010 08:59:37
I think Stevie is given to much credit for last night's performance. It was a tactical master stroke from Roy bringing him on at half time. Roy deserves all the credit for another fine performance. Poulson was awesome too.
05 Nov 2010 08:51:44
"singapore red"
I think you must have had a bad stream:-)
05 Nov 2010 08:34:34
'There's only one Linda Pizzuti! ! '. .
05 Nov 2010 08:18:04
Stevie G is still the best mid player in the world he showed that last night how he lifts the team with just his presence an determination in a tackle.Shelvey looked very good shame he played wide though and eccleston looks very promising.dont think spearing is good enough he tries hard but don't think he is the same quality as shelvey or eccleston.
now to roy unfortunately he will not get the boot if stevie keeps bailing him out. but hopefully the board will only have to look at how he set up the team in the first half 2 holding mids at home its ultra negative and sad for us to start a home game like this. didn't play pacheco is madness and why did poulson get the nod ahead of lucas.
still think woy has lost his mind
05 Nov 2010 08:01:53
New team
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05 Nov 2010 07:59:52
I've just listened to Hodgson's comments (on BBC website) regarding last nights game; now for once I hadn't had a drink so I remember the game very well; so a few points on his comments:
1. Hodgson states "best 90 mins at Liverpool"; well I wouldn't go that far I'm sure he managed a draw against us when he was fulham manager! Seriously good 2nd half performance but we was out played completely first half.
2. We didn't deserve to be going in at half time 1 - 0 down; he is sort of correct we should've been further behind on how we played.
The bloke just hasn't got a clue.
Now on to team selection; we start the game with 4 central midfielders and a striker being played on left mid/ winger and they wonder why we don't exploit the space behind Napoli's wing backs - ermmm maybe try playing an out and out winger to do that - that's right we haven't got any (well that Roy's willing to take a chance on).
Sub's bench (outfield players) = Skrtel, Wilson, Kelly, Gerrard, Lucas & Eccleston. Why not Pacheco - why not hear me out here. . after getting thumped by Northampton why not put Torres on the bench just incase - hope we don't have to use him but lets see - after all as Hodgson claimed yesterday its not the games that cause the players tiredness its the travelling.
Had a discussion about playing Poulsen and Spearing in the same team yesterday - Spearing all the way for me instead of Poulsen the guy can't tackle (can't head (even if it's him going for the ball as he's looking to see if he can do the other player and opps the ball goes backwards to one of their players)) and thinks that he can take 3 or 4 touches coz English football's the same as italian football - FFS
Anyway to my main poin; sort of a rumour - we had 5 central midfielders on the pitch in the 2nd half please lets not buy another one or have rumours to buy one unless its to replace Poulsen - too think we have to give Juventus an extra £1m for him next summer - I bet they can't believe their luck.
Good news Klinsmann's gone to the MLS to manage so that should stop the stupid calls for him to be our next manager.
Excuse my negativity (i am behind the team, just not the one trying to manage it).
On a plus note good to see Henry's Misses - can some one following him on twitter tell him its a Liverpool custom for his Misses to wear cheerleaders costumes to home games? ;o)
Hoola
05 Nov 2010 07:59:11
05 Nov 2010 00:25:11
I cannot believe the negativity on here - I'm sorry but as much as I'm disappointed by Roy negativity at times, you lot should hang your head in shame for some of the comments here. Support the team for F's sake!
Some of you even talk about wanting us to lose! Yes the first half was poor but it was an unfamiliar team finding their way, the second half WAS not all about Stevie G, there were 10 others! The second penalty was earned by Johnstons attacking play, who was playing his first game in a few weeks and managed 90 minutes whilst the third goal was set up by Lucas' brilliant tackle.
Support the team and appreciate the benefits that a good run of results and confidence can bring. We are laying the foundations, I think Henry and Comolli have got the right ideas but its going to take time.
On a personal note I'd love us to sign Affelay, Wickham and Honda - talent and youthful promise. The other problem is there's only so many foreign players we can sign as we have one of the lowest levels of home grown players in the premiership so please stop listing all the big names you've watched on YouTube!
Totaly agree, good result in the end and put a smile on my face again. Could someone please tell me why Jovanovic was taken off instead of Poulson and what is wrong with Pacheco. He was sitting next to Torres in his suit. Has something gone wrong, should of been on the bench. Anyone? ?? ? ?
EST.1892
05 Nov 2010 07:45:01
"I am sick of people doubting my coaching ability, "
Did he really say that? He is in cloud cuckoo land.His defensive line up was a disaster.The only thing he got right was bringing Gerrard on but that was a no brainer.
Almost anyone on this site would have made that decision but they would almost certainly done the sensible thing and brought off Poulsen, not Jova who I thought was doing o.k.
I thought the 4 youngsters did o.k. (don't forget Ngog is only 21) Not sure Spearing will be anything special though, similar style to Lucas who is decent but hardly Gerrard quality as some have claimed.
CR
05 Nov 2010 07:43:34
Roy message for yeah!
Get us in the top 5 and challenging and the fans will start to support you.
05 Nov 2010 06:58:55
Why the fook have we brought steve g on and took jovanavich off? take the dane off ffs 5 central midfeilders on no width, hodgson f*ck off now ya clown
looks like your the clown!
matty b
05 Nov 2010 06:55:07
I'm fed up of hearing people come on here spouting 'you lot are a disgrace, get behind the team, support Roy etc etc'.
We do get behind the team. . We are supporting! We're just not all stupid enough to blindly support Roy no matter what & pretend everything will come good just because we're Liverpool fans & Liverpool fans are loyal!
NESV have come in & said they are thinking long term & the club has been run for too long with a short term mentality. I think we all agree with that. Well getting behind Roy NO MATTER HOW WE PLAY is a short term view. I'd ratherkick up a fuss, get my point across & do my bit to force a change. A change to get the right man in so I can carry on supporting the team in the same manner I always have, but with a bit of confidence that were all going the right way LONG TERM!
move Johnson into midfield, might not work, but give it a try. Play Pacheco behind Torres, with gerrard in the middle. That in itself will improve us until Jan when a new manager can look at buying us some quality width!
Phil
05 Nov 2010 06:51:34
I just hope that the reason pacheco and kelly didn't play today is that they will start in sunday. i'm such a dreamer
05 Nov 2010 04:52:17
I wish the starting eleven look like if there on transfer during jan
reina
johnson agger kelly wilson
meireles/ lucas gerrard
pacheco shelvey cole
torres
sub carragher, saric, ngog, kuyt, wisdom
05 Nov 2010 04:34:51
This morning match was boring. why play poulsen? pacheco should be in the starting eleven. when will roy start giving our promising youngers like wisdom, d wilson, robinson, kelly, saric etc a chance to shine. roy u r a useless manager in liverpool history, y look into those players who don't make it in the perimer league like carlton cole, swp, kranjcar etc. only middle table teams look for these players. u blame benitze for the average player he bring in, don't u also, poulson, konchesky.
05 Nov 2010 01:27:47
Sounds like ed is blowing a lot of steam about our bad performance. We were dire. We took of our only width with more cm's. I was kinda hoping we would lose so Roy would go. We have got so lucky. Didn't derserve to beat Bolton. Got lucky today. I know 4 5 defeats on the bounce is bound to happen soon with Roy. The longer he stays the worse we'll be long term. Anything else to add ed? {ed's note - I think you have summed it up very well, we don't seem to be showing any signs of improvement, that is what worries me. How much longer can we rely on Gerrard to rescue us?}
imagine if rafa stayed DONT GET ANGRY WITH ME ABOUT USING RAFA IN THIS ITS JUST A THOUGHT. . we would have kept aqualani, off loaded babel, carra would have had no renewed contract(maybe), masch would have stayed or we would have gotten a better price, a partner for Torres, a better/ younger left back and around 8-3 on the table. .just guesses people keep your cool! !
05 Nov 2010 01:20:02
{ed's note - I really don't understand his reluctance to give Pacheco a chance, there is no injury keeping him out, it is a conscious decision by Roy to leave him out.}
I am starting to believe Mavinga had a point about Roy and English players.
Roy {ed's note - I think the Scandinavians might dispute that, especially a certain Mr. Poulsen. . .}
nope i think he meant the players currently in the reserves. .
05 Nov 2010 01:19:47
{ed's note - I think the Scandinavians might dispute that, especially a certain Mr. Poulsen. . .}
Hmm, I'm sure Daniel Agger, a fellow Scandinavian, won't dispute that
05 Nov 2010 01:16:29
{ed's note - I did feel sorry for Shelvey tonight, he has no chance if he is not going to be given a chance in a position that suits him. He needs to play central, he needs a run of games as well, to give him a chance to settle in before he is judged. I don't think Roy will listen, he thinks he knows best and he will just hold up his past record as proof he knows what he is doing.}
^^^^^^^ 100% true. live in the past and not the present. some people will say I'm wrong but I'm not. i understand that managers have to have a proven track record but that's only to get a better job but once you have that job its then your job to up hold it and get the right results so that you don't have to constantly make excuses. I think Stevie-G saved hodgson another few days or weeks of having the title as liverpool manager because in the first half Henry was not a happy man.
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and in relation to the Shelvey thing yh he needs to play the up coming stars in the roles that they feel comfortable in, know and specialize in [shelvey and Pacheco] why play them wide when they are linking players? they the type of players like cesc fab or xavi type arsene never played him out wide, he played him as the link between attack and the rest of the team. hodgson just doesn't know how to work with young players.
05 Nov 2010 01:10:32
Liverpool vs napoli 5 nov match ratings
reina: 5/ 10 nothing much he could do about the goal, nothing much to do after that either
johnson 5/ 10 won a penalty for us but pretty poor performance from him, as usual
carra 3/ 10 at fault for their goal, too slow to catch up
kygriakos 5/ 10 strong in the air or else nothing much
konchesky 2/ 10 did he play?
Poulsen 0/ 10 was also at fault for the goal, or else he was non existent as well
spearing 8/ 10 only bright spark in the team. He played well
meireles 3/ 10 terrible finishing and he almost got himself sent off for tackling their goalkeeper
jovanovic 3/ 10 did he play?
Shelvey 6/ 10 poor but was played out of position
ngog 3/ 10 did he play?
Gerrard 10/ 10 captain fantastic at it again. Wonder how long he can keep it up though
eccleston 8/ 10 really good perfrormance and would rather have him as a striker than ngog
rant: i woke up at 4 in the morning and got tortured for 75 minutes. Also, where the h*ck were pacheco and kelly?
singapore red
05 Nov 2010 00:52:34
Llorente is class. Athletic bilbao was found by ship builder from sunderland (same kit almost!) never been relegated along with real madrid & barcelona. Enough of history. Roy time 2 go. (hiddink 4 me.) Play that bad on sunday. Could be embarrasing! Ynwa
05 Nov 2010 00:30:45
Shelvey looks like he is already capable of doing a serious job in centre midfield , amazing for a 18 year old at a club like LFC .
In Gerrard , Meireles , Lucas and Shelvey I think we have 4 central midfielders that can hold down the CM positions for some seasons to come , each of them can fill in each others position .
Shelvey has a great physique at 18 years of age , he must play more often .
Team for chelsea .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Carragher. . .Kyrgiakos. . . Skrtel. . . Konchesky. . . . . . . Lucas. . . . .Gerrard. . . . . Meireles. . . . . .Johnson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jovanovic. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
I think we can look forward to NESV bringing back the formidable force we know as LFC . Anfield was at it's best when under Dalglish in 1991 .
I would be interested to know what your Team for Chelsea would be.
05 Nov 2010 00:25:11
I cannot believe the negativity on here - I'm sorry but as much as I'm disappointed by Roy negativity at times, you lot should hang your head in shame for some of the comments here. Support the team for F's sake!
Some of you even talk about wanting us to lose! Yes the first half was poor but it was an unfamiliar team finding their way, the second half WAS not all about Stevie G, there were 10 others! The second penalty was earned by Johnstons attacking play, who was playing his first game in a few weeks and managed 90 minutes whilst the third goal was set up by Lucas' brilliant tackle.
Support the team and appreciate the benefits that a good run of results and confidence can bring. We are laying the foundations, I think Henry and Comolli have got the right ideas but its going to take time.
On a personal note I'd love us to sign Affelay, Wickham and Honda - talent and youthful promise. The other problem is there's only so many foreign players we can sign as we have one of the lowest levels of home grown players in the premiership so please stop listing all the big names you've watched on YouTube!
05 Nov 2010 00:25:04
For all those praising Jay Spearing's performance tonight do you seriously think he would achieve such accolades if he wasn't a local lad. His tackling is superb, but his passing is woeful unless knocking it back twenty yards. He gets done for pace constantly, and is always to square on to turn and move forward in midfield. If we let him go how many Premiership teams would be in for him - not many. Still mile better than Paulson though.
05 Nov 2010 00:24:00
I think we maybe all should put this into perspective, man city have just lost their last 3 games but they have spent? ?? ?? ? millions
liverpool have just won their last 3 games spent 4 poulson , 3 konchesky and 13 mirelles, Roys playing the game with the club hes got, wait til january when he gets that big bad boy calloway and really gets the chance to give it some whelley, have faith, the board did, if you don't then how can you trust their choice of owner.
i do belive hes set a european record NO, if it looks like milk
05 Nov 2010 00:15:11
04 Nov 2010 22:41:55
{ed's note - I really don't understand his reluctance to give Pacheco a chance, there is no injury keeping him out, it is a conscious decision by Roy to leave him out.}
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It's the same reason he won't play Agger ED and insists on playing Poulson.
He hasn't got a clue!
Blair Mayne YNWA
05 Nov 2010 00:12:16
Ed's note - I really don't understand his reluctance to give Pacheco a chance, there is no injury keeping him out, it is a conscious decision by Roy to leave him out.}
ed have u not learnt by know that pacheco is young can play wide and is of high quality all the things that Roy hates, I mean only center midfielders can play "wide" and let's face it Roy does not have a clue and that is why this new director is put in place! Fingers crossed roys days r numbered
05 Nov 2010 00:04:18
Just got back from the game excellent response from Gerrard.
Poulsen has to go a terrible purchase and not worth 4p never mind 4 million.
Good atmosphere tonight lets keep it up for chelski im sure we can get a result.
Napoli fans are a real discredit to football and looks like the resurgence of hooligans is gripping europe once again.
Fantastic when captain marvel chipped in the third.
Onwards and upwards for the pool the confidence is building
05 Nov 2010 00:04:01
Shelvey looks like he is already capable of doing a serious job in centre midfield , amazing for a 18 year old at a club like LFC .
In Gerrard , Meireles , Lucas and Shelvey I think we have 4 central midfielders that can hold down the CM positions for some seasons to come , each of them can fill in each others position .
Shelvey's physique and determination are great attributes , and all at 18 years of age .
Shelvey must play more often .
Team for chelsea .
Reina
Carragher Kyrgiakos Skrtel Konchesky
Lucas Gerrard Meireles
Johnson Jovanovic
TorresI really look forward to NESV bringing back the formidable force formally known as LFC . Restoring Anfield to the great spectacle 'Dalglish' left in 1991 .
05 Nov 2010 00:03:44
04 Nov 2010 23:55:46
Taken from Mrs John Henrys i.e Linda Twitter:
Studying up in the Anfield songbook to prepare for my first LFC match tomorrow night-can't wait! Aside from YNWA, what songs should I learn?
about 7 hours ago via TweetDeck
SHOW ME THE MONEY
05 Nov 2010 00:02:47
The people that give Lucas stick must have no real knowledge of the game, they take the kiss because other people do. IF you understood the game you would realise he is a lot better than most central midfielders at our club. Please if you don't understand the game you are best keeping quiet. No he is not world class but at 5 mill he is better than most.
Macca
04 Nov 2010 23:59:22
Roy said before the game today that it is more important that the fringe players get a game then us winning! The man is clearly cluless let's be honest now what has he bought to the team? Useless players eg poulson and the rest! And if he stays till jan I can guarantee that pacheco will be swaped for yet another mediocre player.
04 Nov 2010 23:56:40
04 Nov 2010 20:45:22
With Poulson in the squad, I bet Lucas can't believe his luck. He's winning over fans without even playing!
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Great post mate! lol
Blair Mayne YNWA