Liverpool Banter Archive March 05 2012
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05 Mar 2012 23:49:08
im not calling for kennys head , and i do not want rafa back , but kennys has to see that he is harming the clubs league position by playing downing and adam , 4th spot went when we drew with spur imo , we have strikers in our reserve team , we have sterling and coady , flanno and robbo , its time to go all out or give these kids a taste of 1st team football , i believe these kids will only get better by playing against better players , did anyone see tom inces goal for blackpool , he is playing against better players and playing more games in the first team so he is getting better , a bit like shelvey was doing i think in 10 games he scored 4 times , he should get a few games under his belt , kenny needs to drop these players who play poor instead of rewarding them by playing them in the next game , i thought bellamy and carrol played great in the 2 manchester games and against wolves ,,,,,,,,,,micky b
05 Mar 2012 23:25:12
Dear Ed's
How well do you rate Villyan Bijev who is at loan at Fortuna Dusseldorf? Is he any good?
Regards
Uncle Dolan
{Ed002's Note - He is without work permit right now hence the loan. The only news I have is that he will be invited to attend a selection camp for the Olympics but it is probably too early for him to make it for this year.}
05 Mar 2012 23:24:58
Quick Q for the eds. I was wondering what ever happened to one of our brightest youth talents a few years back in Adam Pepper, was supposedly the next big thing but seems to have gone well off the radar.
RedSG {Ed002's Note - He was released in 2010 and went to a side in Wales - now I am not so sure. Maybe someone else can help.}
He joined Aberystwyth Town in 2010 I think
Cuchulainn`s Hounds
05 Mar 2012 23:16:00
Has the club let Dirk Kuyt down. he has been a great player for liverpool. 100 percent work rate. Why isn't he getting game time. We are so much better with him on the pitch.
I get frustrated with dirk at times but he is in great form at the moment and he and suarez play well together
He brings out the best in suarez. Kuyt isnt gr8 but atleast doesnt disturb the team's balance like carrol does.
Indian Buzzer
He started the last game, some people will complain about anything
05 Mar 2012 23:08:26
RE: Rafael Benítez to Chelsea
AVB was given the boot on Sunday after just 27 Premier League games. André Villas-Boas made his own hang mans knot.
He must of known the situation, he had perviously been at chelsea with jose mourinho. Plus he had paid his dues to football.
AVB has been José Mourinho no2 since his chelsea days, I really can't see why the man wasn't given time.
31/Jan/2012 Patrick Bamford Nottingham 1.5m
31/Jan/2012 Kevin de Bruyne Racing Genk
20/Jan/2012 Lucas Piazon Sao Paulo
16/Jan/2012 Gary Cahill Bolton 7m
31/Aug/2011 Raul Meireles Liverpool
24/Aug/2011 Juan Mata Valencia 23.5m
18/Aug/2011 Romelu Lukaku Anderlecht
04/Aug/2011 Oriol Romeu Barcelona 4.35m
26/Jul/2011 Thibaut Courtois Racing Genk
I really couldnt see way forward for chelsea with those signings.
GKPetr Cech
LBK Ashley Cole
RBK David Luiz
CBK John Terry
CBK
LM Juan Mata
DM Michael Essien
AM Frank Lampard
RM
SKT Didier Drogba
In that team, I have question marks over a few key roles. Mainly Intelligent cbk to help terry. Favid luiz is full back and not cbk, R-Winger, chlesea have been missing rm since Arjen Robben left.
That chelsea side is unable to deliver a fast ball into the box. Its a real concern for player like Torres.
So the question should really be, is it the right for Rafa Benitez.
Benitez vs Capello
I would give the job to Benitez, Iv need capello in action and he will need billion pounds if he is to deliver premiership. Where as Rafa will bore the chelsea fans to death. But removing mistakes does lead to success
Really don't want Rafa to take over at the bridge! if he did he'd get backed financially and make them European champion's! and this is LFC banter page! why come on here talking Chelsea's buisness?
I would not mind it if Rafa went to Chelsea. They'd sack him within 12 months and he would come out with a big payoff. Good for him. Extracting more funds from AB in the process is fine by me! Mind you he might get the best out of Torres.....
Iggypop
05 Mar 2012 21:32:27
Hi EDS am I right in thinking the FA cup quarter finals don't go to replays?
Mat lfc {Ed002's Note - True of the semis.}
05 Mar 2012 23:31:13
As fans we can no longer say 'stop moaning' remember where the club was last season. Points and performances we were better off. At least at this stage we looked capable of winning football matches. £57 million on Suarez and Carroll and still we can't score goals. Only Wigan are worse.
Are Suarez, Bellamy, Carroll etc staying behind to practice shooting? Henderson probably had his best game playing CM will Kenny continue to play him in that position? Kenny keeps saying that he has a great squad. Is that him admitting that him and the coaching staff have not delivered?
Please dont mention carling cup. It was only Cardiff
In a higher league position
It was ONLY cardiff, man city, chelsea, stoke, brighton, exeter..
Kaizer
(sorry, hit enter too soon)
"Please dont mention carling cup. It was only Cardiff". Plus Stoke away, Chelsea away, Man City over two games winning the away leg.
Also, the only home tie we played was the second leg against the mercenaries- we were still second out if the hat in that draw.
I can think of 4 games this season where we didn't deserve anything (Utd, City, Bolton and Spurs)- so in 22 we did. Does that smack of a manager who doesn't know what he's doing? The criticism levelled against some players needs to be considered in this light too. They have dominated games against Utd, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle- things are not perfect but they are a lot more promising than both the management team and players are being credit for.
Mrpjd
05 Mar 2012 23:04:00
SACK KING KENNY - three little words but oh such massive consequences. Kenny receives a very large settlement (7 figures) and we have to decide on a new manager. There a lot of names being bandied about but these will all demand huge salaries. As most of them are already with big clubs another large cheque (at least 7 figures) will have to be paid out. Some will want their own staff with them - more dismissals and more settlements to be made. They will probably want to bring in some of their own players - not going to be cheap and I'm not sure that the owners are willing to pay out large transfer fees again. They may sell some of the current players. What that means is another season of players trying to form a TEAM and another season of poster saying that this player is no good, we should have kept Kenny,etc,etc.
Having said all this I personally want Kenny to stay, and for him to keep the present squad and reinforce it with one or two young,promising acquisitions and members of the Reserve team. The only player that I would gladly see leave (as a player) is Jamie Carragher. He should actually have announced his retirement on Saturday evening. Good luck to all the rest.
Dutchmal
Agreed. Carra was very poor - at fault for both Arsenal goals. He needs to announce his retirement ASAP.
Reina was at fault for both goals
The first goal he should have been off his line to puch away the cross
The second goal he was beaten at the near post a cardinal sin for a keeper
05 Mar 2012 22:27:21
Reina
Johnson
Carragher
Skrtel
Enrique
Kuyt
Henderson
Gerrard
Adam
Bellamy
Carroll
Doni, Kelly, Coates, Spearing, Maxi, Downing, Suarez
Is what id like to see vs Sunderland... As Kenny put it, winning ugly is better than drawing. No Sessegnon or Cattermole, that is like us losing Suarez and Lucas... Will be big losses for them. Ref is Anthony Taylor, he's been alright, did a good job vs Wolves a month back but we should have got two penos... Knowing us we'd miss anyway lol.
RM
Suarez needs to start!
AG
If Suarez is a big loss why is he on the bench?
Sorry, I thought that this was a genuine post until I saw that you had Carragher in your line-up. This has turned out to be the funniest post that I have read this month.
Dutchmal
No Carra please - play Coates and Skrtel together.
LIVERPRES
I would also like to see coates play. he needs game time. realistically we are not going to make anything higher than europa league, which is already secured, so i think it is the perfect time to start grooming him in to a regular in the 1st team. obviously skrtel and agger is our best partnership but we will need him backing them up next season
nzl_red
05 Mar 2012 22:12:19
What I'd imo realistically love next season
Reina
Kelly/Johnson agger skrtel enrique
Lucas
Gerrard sahin/ramirez/eriksen
Affelay Soldado Suarez
Any opinions?
Realistically ? We have absolutley no chance of signing eriksen, affelay and soldado, they would definitly want champions league football, plus we henry has allready said we dont have the money after kenny wasted 100m on rubbish signings, affelay would cost 8-9m, eriksen 30m + and soldado 25-30m.
Yes true we are extremely unlucky to get eriksen which us why I put alternatives. But I truly bellend that that team is possible for next season. Affelay 7m soldado 25m sahin/ramirez 10-15m. I am sure after selling players etc we could afford to spend around 40m. Apart from soldado these players are not playing regularly for champions league teams and I do not see them doing so in the near future. Also suarez moved to us without champions league from a team in the knockout stages. Surely we can do better than players such as matt phillips?!
Sorry about spelling errors ;) *unlikely *is *believe
05 Mar 2012 22:08:49
Sick and Tired of all this negativeness and bad support.We are a work in progress forget about going on about how poor other teams are to make ourselves feel better and criticising our own team.Let reality kick in last year we were at our worst for over 40 years yet im reading how rubbish we are for not getting top 4.
Rafa might of won the Cl but it was on the back of Houlliers team and just an amazing night of belief but he fell short too many times .KK is a legend and has done an amazing job , this time last year Arsenal had just lost in the Carling cup tell those fans it was a mickey mouse cup.We have one trophy and in with a shout of another decent season by anyones standards.
Now let reality kick in and understand that Cl qualification does not happen over 6-10 games neither does the winning the league it is in fact 38 games during that time you need luck and a decent squad but you need time to develop a winning team.Man city failed for years before they got CL qualification so did spurs but they have built a decent squad but not over night.
Last few seasons the team to beat has been Man united (no i support LFC)and they have won it whether they deserved it or not because they have a mix of some of the best players in the world(Cantona , Scholes , Giggs, Rio(before the test thing) van der sar and some squad players ( fletcher, oshea, the ugly twins) but they have a mix of youth and age (more so age now) but more importantly they believe in their manager and their players , we however a quick to criticise and destroy ours.
Now lets have a look at some of our supposed flops 100m wasted i hear you say
Henderson U21 captain and improving in time will be worth more then we paid
Carole has had some shocking games but even the most ignorant supporter must have seen an improvement in the last 2 months, never going to justify the 35m but then again why should he he never for himself.
Enrique is much much better then what we paid for him or had at LB since riise
Adam not bad player will improve in time and if we sold him now we would get more then we paid
Saurez fantastic player he would make a mint being the face of Marmite as you either love him or hate him but every time he gets the ball you are on the edge of your seat his dribble against arsenal was amazing deserved a goal , yet he is only young and still to improve.
Then there is Bellamy signing of the season been fantastic in so many games.
All in all they are paid less then the last lot of flops and at least try.
The team as a whole plays better football but let them grow into a winning team and support them .We are not a top 4 side yet as i do not want to see my beloved liverpool destroyed financially again, i can wait a few more years as long as there is an improvement.
I for one feel part of the club and since KK came back i have enjoyed watching us bit frustrated at times
Now that's what a real supporter sounds like. Well done mate !
Derry Red
Some sense at last!
KJS
05 Mar 2012 21:57:42
For those of you who are looking through tinted glasses and clamouring for Rafa to return (don't get me wrong here, I loved the guy for what he done for us) here are the signings made by him during his tenature at Anfield. I have split them in to 2 categories, what I would deem a success in a red shirt and those that, in fans eyes at the moment, are not fit to wear the shirt. I have excluded Fowler in these categories as he will always be GOD!
The categories are shown at the end of this post.
As you can see it's quite an exhaustive list. Now consider one point, the team that won the Champions League in 2005 was predominately Houlliers squad, with a couple of notable additions. Yet Rafa managed to guide that team to one of best success stories ever for us reds. Now consider how much leeway we gave him for that success and the FA Cup the following year.
I am not sure what Rafa's record was like in his first season in English football, but I do know we finished 5th, with some disappointing away results.
Now bear in mind how much leeway you gave Rafa for his early success and explain why the same fans are calling to sack a true living LEGEND of LFC, Kenny Dalglish. This based on his first full season back in charge, with a trophy safely in the bag. Are you really that short sighted as fans or maybe Sky era football fans? or FIFA 12 experts whose team win everything? Or even worse believe the views of talks@@te as true.
What happens if Kenny goes, who comes in? Rafa? I doubt the club would take hime back. I know we will do a Chelski and go for an upcoming manager, then sack him 28 games in to the season??
People are on here constantly slagging Kennys signings yet calling for mostly unknowns throughout europe to be bought. What makes you think they would be a success? There's no guarantee they would, maybe on Fifa, but no guarantee for sure.
Just for information, the first 5 on the not so successful list cost approx £65m......and your moaning about Kenny spending £32m......-TMac
Successes
Fernando Torres
Xabi Alonso
Dirk Kuyt
Peter Crouch
Martin Skrtel
Craig Bellamy
Luis Garcia
Jose Reina
Dan Agger
Yossi Benayoun
Alvaro Arbeloa
Javier Mascherano
Jay Spearing
Lucas Leiva
Not so successful (my opinion)
Robbie Keane
Ryan Babel
Aqualani
Albert Riera
Andrea Dossena
Jermaine Pennant
Mohammed Sissoko
Fernando Morientes
Diego Cavalieri
Sebastian Leto
Jose Miguel Gonzalez
Gabriel Paletta
Mark Gonzalez
David Ngog
Scott Carson
Mikel San Jose
David Martin
Antonio Barragan
Besian Idrizaj
Jack Hobbs
Alex Cooper
Alexander Kacaniklic
Krisztian Nemeth
Andras Simon
Victor Palsson
Gary Mackay Steven
Vitor Flora
Andriy Voronin
Nikolay Mihaylov
Emmanuel Mendy
Marvin Pourie
Dani Pacheco
Nikola Saric
Lauri Dalla Valle
Gerardo Bruna
Hakan Duyan
Damien Plessis
Peter Gulacsi
Charles Itandje
Philipp Degen
Vincent Lucas
Ryan Crowther
Mihail Alexandrov
Ryan Wilkie
Miki Roque
Nabir El Zhar
Mark Smyth
Jay Smith
Stephen Darby
Craig Lindfield
Adam Hammill
Danny Guthrie
Paul Anderson
Lee Peltier
Fabio Aurelio
Jan Kromkamp
Boudewijn Zenden
Mauricio Pellegrino
Godwin Antwi
Robbie Threlfall
Ryan Flynn
Calum Woods
Paul Willis
Danny O'Donnell
Ramon Calliste
Steve Irwin
Ronald Huth
Jordy Brouwer
Francisco Manuel Duran
Emiliano Insua
Ray Putterill
Martin Hansen
Dave Roberts
David Mannix
Antonio Nunez
What a pointless post. What are you trying to achieve by listing every player?
I'd say Sissoko was a success till his eye and shoulder injury.
KT!
Wow that's a long list! Agree with you mate, I don't want Rafa back.
AG
Great post I was starting to feel a little Rafa sympathies and that brought it all back... Give Kenny the another season see if we get top 4. I look at the players coming of at the end of the games, they love him thats a good sign and Fergie hates him thats a good sign[fear].
The most pointless post ive ever seen on this site, nhe7
The point is Rafa had six years and numerous players passing through our club to "get it right". Kenny has had just over 12 months and about 7 players to "get it right" and is getting slated for not being in the top four or worse not even challenging for the league! Yet Rafa is hailed as the all conquering hero, yet I'll bet most fans couldn't have named 30% of the players he brought in as they were that memorable - TMac
Fabio Aurelio isn't a flop - he cost very little and gave us some very lovely moments. :)
McSnuggles
Sissoko was a definite success as the previous poster said until his injury he was a good player. Rafa can't be blamed for that.
I would go as far to say that Riera was also a good buy.
For his time there he showed a lot more threat than Downing, and cost half the price.
As for Aqualani if you are gonna have a go at Rafa over buying an injured player, then same must be said on Carroll as both have done nothing in a Liverpool shirt.
Jonesred
Agree with the person who said this was a pointless post. I think the expression is "get a life"!
And am I right in saying you missed "God" of both lists? If you're going to post something that boring, make it complete- and swap Benayoun to the other column.
Buying carrol was worse than buying aquilani. Carrol cost 15 million more. N mind u, no club wud be stupid enough to pay anything more than 10 million for carrol.
Indian Buzzer
05 Mar 2012 21:56:49
You fans who are saying "bring rafa back" who do you think got us in this position?
"Rafa had no money" then why the hell is he spending 20 million on a player who is injured?
Kenny is doing a fine job. We aren't a sacking club and Kenny is a legend. Get a grip!
BthekingB
Totally agree bthekingb, well said mate - TMac
He had to replace Alonso without the Alonso money.
H&G only gave him £4m-£5m up-front and that funnily enough is what it cost to land Aquilani initially.
The overall fee was spread out over 2-3 seasons.
Not much more Rafa could have done there.
FACT
He was still s**t
*****"Rafa had no money" then why the hell is he spending 20 million on a player who is injured?
yes many guys always come up with this....why aquilani ? 20 m?
but do they recognize the fact that how we used to do transfer bizz then? rafa never had full support n money to go for bigger targets, as he new he would get beaten by other bids, like manc,manu,real who would go to any limit just to get the player (who would certainly be of that quality like villa,aguero some of rafas targets who would have pin in our team had he given full support ....like kenny was given )..i am trying to say that rafa was allowed money but not that much so that he could beat other clubs.
talking abt aqua...he was not fit for our league , n if u see correctly , 1st season he was injured BUT THE LAST FEW MATHES HE PLAYED ,I REMEMBER HE HAD 6 ASSISTS N 2 GOALS... which shows he was beginning to show something, n THE NEXT SEASON WITH FULL TRAINING UNDER HIS BELT , he was loaned by hodgson LOL..
AGAIN THE POINT IS....YUP AQUA DIDNT worked for us but he is still without doubt much better than our midfield lot .n thats again one of main reasons i like rafa.
kenny is living god 4 kop ,,but as a coach rafa is far more superior , his technical knowledge is ...best thing.still remember how we used to play-press-grind out games even in bad patches..RAFA KNOWS HOW TO BEAT AN OPPONENT.
05 Mar 2012 21:36:06
hiya eds im just wondering if you have ever heard of a player called john guidetti , he plays for feynoord , if you have has liverpool been linked with him , he looks a very good player already and hes young 19 or 20 ,,,,,,,micky b {Ed003's Note - Isn't he on loan there from Man City ? }
05 Mar 2012 21:33:51
whats that picture all about Wiltshire wearing a Liverpool top for training..
He got it after the game, thats all, don't read anything into it! Hes arsenal through and through
Thanks for reply. Your right, just saw the picture with no comments and story on caught off side and wanted to know more.
Bigging up Reina on twitter... Maybe he knows where Reina will be playing next season if we don't get top 4.
05 Mar 2012 21:24:54
I hate to say it but by the sounds of half the people on this site, a lot of you would rather sacrifice the foundation stones that this team was built upon for instant success! I want us up there in the top 4 as well but were not! So let's stop acting like Chelsea fans and start acting like Liverpool SUPPORTERS and support our team!
WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH THE STORM HOLD YOUR HEAD UP HIGH!
We all sing it but how many of us actually practice what we preach!
Come on guys, if we're gonna turn this season around let's start with us!
Danski
How many storms do we have to walk through before we get it right???im tired of walking through storms.
Well said Danski!
AG
Life's a storm mate. Well, mine is anyway !
The Real KB
Un-named poster, if your tired of walking through the storm, then walk ALONE mate
AG
To the second poster: Stop walking then. No one's forcing you to. Go support another club.
Keith YNWA
I don know how a liverpool fan can make fun of YNWAand my life is a storm tooand YNWA
gives me hope
INDIAN SCOUSER
We will be great again by building a team not buying a team. And I like it that way.
Chuck Norris
05 Mar 2012 20:46:43
Just reading through the posts - great site, lot of sense, but an awful lot of s**te spoken about people out and replacements. We are A Cause, not a Brand!
Anyway, aside from all that, one player who deserves a big mention is Jay Spearing - when he plays he just gives the the team a shape and enables the play to build properly from the back. I rate him highly and I for one hope Kenny keeps developing the kid.
Brian
Dirty player, reminds me of joey barton, michael ball or ben thatcher, tries to be a hard man but hes just dirty
Yeah Jay Spearing is like Joey Barton.....christ almighty....! Do you actually know anything about football?
Big difference between the examples you quoted...Spearing plays for the team.
He's hardly dirty. Maybe a bit over enthusiastic in a few tackles, but there's a few players could learn a thing or two about the effort he puts in. He's not a player I rated even remotely but he usually proves me wrong every time he plays.
The Irish Rover
Oh yeah? Dirty? How so? Do you see him grabbing the collars of others for no reason?
AG
Or maybe he tries really hard and puts his body on the line every time he's on the pitch. this team need supporters not numpties like you mate. jog on.
huddz red
05 Mar 2012 20:46:38
I've grown up in the Houllier/Rafa era. I loved Rafa. I would love him to return. Much respect for Kenny, but I don't share the love which many here do for him. Rafa can bring back the glory days. He will spend wisely, play wisely and most importantly bring back THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. The competition made for Liverpool Football Club. We belong there. We will get there. Bring back Rafa.
Please.
Hero.
And bring back negitive boring football no thanks
mr brown
Rafa wont bring back the glory days mate and as for spending wisely one name Aquallini
Why don't you lot just go and support another team..i,m sick of all the rubbish whats been written on here.
think you lot must be man utd fans.aftrer what kenny has done for this club.you lot behave have like this.
you should be ashamed of yourselves ,a disgrace to being liverpool supporters.
what do you think ed
How many times did we win the champions league with rafa , the man is all about dictatorship , he wants to run everything his way , if he does not get his way he runs to press crying like a little baby , rafa had money to spend a blew it on a few flops , he lost the dressing room and got rid of alonso , so tell me again why you want him back
...Yup, worked for Inter Milan. Move on.
Alonso, Mach, Torres, the list goes on, and to think he could have signed Alves, Silva and Villa had he had the financial backing, he is the man for LFC.
Hero.
Rafa bought over 70 players during his time, played negative football, doesn't like skillfull dribblers (ask Yossi, Garcia...they were always subs)...I could go on. Before you start pointing out Istanbul and FA cup, He had 6 years, Kenny's had about a season and won a trophy already! Give the guy a chance!
AG
Hero my friend I also grew in that era.
I love Liverpool the fans, the ledgends, the kop, the ethos, ynwa, justice for the 96.
Liverpool firstly is not one man. KK is the best man to understand these things. I'm not saying rafa didn't and I always love the man but I love kenny I don't want to see anyone else in charge.
He is lfc and lfc is him.
Realistic red
Mr Brown! you think that we played boring under Rafa! the run in of 08 09 was the best i've seen LFC play for year's! we were wiping the floor with top top team's! Scoring 4 goal's against United at OT Chelsea at the bridge Real Madrid at Anfield Arsenal at Anfield 5 against Villa at Anfield! so i don't agree that we played boring football when Rafa was in charge!
05 Mar 2012 20:39:05
If we can get our Sh*t together and start scoring we could catch 4th place..
Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle all have to play each other as well as Man City.. Thats a lot of potentially dropped points..
We still have Newcastle and Chelsea to play!..
Difficult? absolutley.. doable? Absolutely!
ItsNotRocketScience
Liking your optimism mate!
AG
05 Mar 2012 20:29:49
Kevin Keegan built an amazing Newcastle side who played superb football they narrowly missed winning the league! I would love him to get a second bite at the berry. Its written in history King Kev returns to LFC and finally stops old whisky nose.
Keegan is a legend and a man who can deliver cmon FSG bring back KING KEV! {Ed001's Note - Keegan is only interested in money, he left Liverpool for money and spent the time following chasing it. He was a great player, but he fails at legendary status.}
Lets gets Kev back and perms too & bodie and doyle
Ohh ed, a bit harsh for me. He was my hero as a kid, and I have forgiven him now.
I would bestow Legend status on him.
Six seasons is a decent go, his prime years too.
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - not for me, great player but no legend, no one who forces their way out of the club deserves that kind of status.}
Ok, who sold this lad the Shrooms? Hands up now, it's not funny.
dd
Oh dear, must be over 50, he has never been any good and goes where the dosh is, never built a dynasty
Do you know how much per week he went from Liverpool on and then to Hamburg ed001?
I know at the time, European football provided the kind of money that England couldn't. But is his situation that different to, say, Stevie Gerrard ?
The club had to pay Chelsea-style wages to keep him.
Keegan left in an age when footy players were by no means financially secure for life. I don't blame him now, not in light of the money going around these days. For players a quarter as good as him. Players who have taken millions out of Anfield too.
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - did Gerrard force his way out of the club though? Keegan did, despite being offered better terms etc to stay. Keegan was one of the very very few players who were financially secure, even before he left us, so that is irrelevant mate.}
Keegan expected to sign for Barcelona or Real Madrid but when the time came neither wanted him. He talked himself up so much that he felt compelled to go to a foreign team. The only one that wanted him was Hamburger Sport-Verein so that is were he went and I think that he was more than a little surprised that Liverpool didn't want him back after he left HSV.
Dutchmal
I would have to take your word that he was ed. This was an age when even the top players had to make personal appearances to make a few quid on the side.
Do you know my dad took me out of school one day to go and see Kenny Dalglish open a little sports shop in a town near The Lake District. It was only a little place, with a 1960's precinct, and this shop was a small sole trader unit in the precinct. Can you imagine ?
And the best of it was, there was hundreds and hundreds turned up. The precinct ended up like The Kop, big swaying crowds. The sports shop windows were bending in, and the Police had to cordon it off. Lol. Kenny in there looking a bit bemused, his rosey face glowing away. This would be about 1979 or 80, I dunno how much he'd have got for turning up.
There can't have been any millionaire players about then.
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - it is a shame that the players have become so estranged from the fans these days.}
Is that right Dutchmal / ed, did Keegan want to come back to Liverpool after Hamburg ?
Never heard that before.
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - I believe he did contact the club regarding a return, only to be told in no uncertain terms that he had no chance.}
Not only did he want to but he expected Liverpool to welcome him back with open arms.
Dutchmal
05 Mar 2012 20:25:36
Job Vacancy:
We a looking to recruit a young and dynamic snowball, with attractive relocation and salary package. As a born team leader with senior experience in the role of a snow ball, you will be asked to work in the most challenging environments, Hell. Your main task will be to survive as long as possible under the supervision of a despotic Starlinist dictator, with an either win or commit suicide ethos.
Applications to:
The Chelsea Managers position,
c/o Roman Abramovich
Chelsea,
Toff's part of London
England.
05 Mar 2012 20:24:37
While we all debate current league postions and the 'hope of a 4th place', reality tells us that we are 27 points behind Man City. I have to be honest, but I can't really see the so called progress everyone goes on about. 27 points after 26/27 games (us and city), that's not a gap, its a damn gulf!.
The 'gulf' you refer to is actually the 500 million pounds spent on players. Did that not figure at all in your 'progress observation'?
dd
15 months ago - Hodgson, Hicks, Gillett, 12/13th place, 4 hours from bankrupsy, poulsen, konchesky, jovanovic........I think there's been progress now, don't you?
Kev7
05 Mar 2012 20:19:42
Everybody is raving about Hazard but I would not want a player using us as a stepping stone to a spanish club, such as Barca, or Real or maybe AC or Inter.
I think the lad is a good player, but does not seem to have a passion for any club in particular. I want a player who cab give his all for the club, a kiss of the badge here or there.
Hazard may be a good player but he would always want away and other teams would be put off making a bid or paying good money for a player with a poor attitude.
Anfield Andy
Eden Hazard would never sign for us anyway so dont worry about it, He would want champions league football
Whilst we are in the position we are, I don't think you could say you wouldn't want Hazard to use us as a stepping stone. A player like that could take Liverpool back to the Champions League. He plays well and gets his dream move to Spain. Liverpool are again amongst the elite in Europe and can bring in players of similar quality who are committed to the club. It would be a way of progression. The players we have at the moment may not be able to offer that.
Warm16
Anfield Andy! you want player with passion and kiss'es the badge every now and then! like Maschrano?
Players should be banned from kissing the badge, it's a terrible trait!
When i said kissing the badge i never meant literally, i meant that id like a player whos passionate about playing for us. Hazard is a great player, and would help the club, just saying, hes a mercenary and manipulative, attitude traits that are putting big teams off.Hes better than what we currently have, sure. My morals say stay away, my ambition says use him.
Anfield Andy
05 Mar 2012 20:15:50
Kenny is doing a good solid job. He knows what alot of fans refuse to see, we have long been an overperforming mid table team. We cant compete with the wealthier clubs so Kenny knows we must build a cup team. Regular runs in the Carling and FA cup will keep the wolf from the door. Overtime fan expectation will drop to realistic levels.
And what are these realistic level's?
05 Mar 2012 20:14:18
Yes everyone was wrong, we should have kept Roy. Look at how good WBA are now - they beat CFC while we lost to the gooners. KK beat them twice and couldn't get AVB sacked. With Roy's attacking football we would be up there now!
a non e mouse.
Why when kenny not do well roy the name bring back. why not Rafa ? after £110m the team looks same then why use money ?
Love the sarcasm
Its a joooooooke! just lafff...(or not)
dd
05 Mar 2012 20:07:45
hey guys was wondering if anybody could help? was looking to get a signed jamie carragher top from the carling cup final strip ,any ideas where to get one from?
05 Mar 2012 19:57:24
LAST 10 LEAGUE GAMES!
Won 2 .............................. Newcastle at Home and the mighty Wolves (who have just lost 5-1 at home to WBA and 5-0 at Fulham!)
Drawn 4
Lost 4
Relegation form that has been camouflaged by our two cup runs ...............Wins against Oldham, Brighton and Cardiff - on pens!
20 odd points behind CITY and UTD and 10 behind a very poor Arsenal.
...you've made your feelings clear, so who will you be supporting next season?
dd
05 Mar 2012 19:13:11
Why scapegoat Carra
News Flash
Reina was at fault for both goals
Head off carra mate.
DCG
05 Mar 2012 19:11:21
i think everyone needs a reality check..
we are 7th in the league.....and the league doesnt lie.
we are not a top 4 team...so certain supporters should not expect it.
we dont have good enough players to be in a champions league place or 1st.
so if the management cant see what we have is not good enough, then dont blame kenny blame the owners.
but maybe it will take a few windows until lfc will be in the champions league
05 Mar 2012 18:30:59
If we win Kenny is a GOD If we lose Kenny needs to pack his bags...How Fickle are you Mutha Fu**as Kenny is a Great Manager and is doing a fine job sure he has made mistakes but you show me a manager who has not. As far as im concerned he is the only man for the job and i have lost more faith in so called fans than i ever will in LFC and Kenny Dalglish
MJ
Home win rate of 30% ermmmmm what a great job,
We should change the words of the song from with hope in your heart to expectancy in your heart as (including me)we expect too much , but there are many problems that need to be addressed , but the new yanks are not fools they won't make the same mistakes twice they let people they thought could make decisions for them this season but they will be more influential this close season , expect suprises i.e goodbye reina etc remember i to i moan but like all fans i love lfc and want the best for us all, we just have to face it this season was a waste of time great expectations from certain players but every one can see if some of them are here for another ten years they won't become great players just because we want them to be.
keep the faith.red mick tag.
"Home win rate of 30% ermmmmm what a great job," .... HOW ABOUT BEATEN FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS SEASON AT ANFIELD??
Am I supposed to be happy with home draws, waaahayy lets draw all our home games next season then we can say we werent beaten
05 Mar 2012 18:18:35
thanks for champions league raffa but look at the squad he left us with its why we are struggling so bad in the league now!
And the fact that kenny wasted 100 million on carroll downing adam henderson and coates
Coates has barely played! What are basing your slating on? He was one of uruguays most sought over players, so that must speak volumes considering they are one of the best international sides in the world now.
Exactly, KK is more to blame than rafa, davey
To be fair coates has a future out of them lot, the rest are biggest transfer waste in history.RedTurk
Coates ? How many match he play ? you can't judge anyone until he get proper chance .
R-R
If Coates is so good then he should be getting minutes ahead of Carragher, everyone can see carra is past it, He has cost us at least 11 points this season
Fair enough that few of you are sticking up for coates, but notice not 1 person has defended carroll downing adam or henderson, they are the worst signings ever
Kenny had to get a striker in after torres deserted us and carrol looked awsome for newcastle. evry kop fan was exited about him and be honest nobody thout it would have panned out the way it has with him
What are you lot rambling on about we are "building a team" not we have built a team coates,hendo,carroll,are all young and just need this season downing is getting better. the only one 1 agree with is adam but players will come in,in the summer.just chill will you get behind our players and not on there backs.OR DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND GO SUPPORT ANOTHER TEAM YNWA IN KENNY WE TRUST liverpool till i die
mr brown
Adam I agree with, Carroll isn't good enough, but he will be, Downing is lacking in confidence although in the Cup final he was excellent. Coates cannot be critisized he hasn't played enough. As for Henderson, you all must be sticking your head up your ar$es, the lad is gonna be a class act, he plays crap when out of position. When in his correct position he is excellent, example...Saturday, he played his best game yet for us.
Sooty
Henderson takes some undue stick off people who just seem reactionary and follow the views of others.
He's no Messi, granted, but he's not that type of player.
He works his arse off every week, is only a kid, and will get better and better.
He reminds me of Ray Houghton or Ronnie Whelan (both who took regular stick) vital components in any successful team, yet undervalued by knobheads who think football is all about flicks and tricks.
David
05 Mar 2012 18:06:42
Hope Rafa doesnt go to Chelsea, Hope he comes back to us when Kenny steps down in the summer
Kenny will do one more season.
05 Mar 2012 17:48:50
Bring Back Kevin Keagan as manager!
Are you nuts? Got to be kidding
Someone on the wind up.. its funny
Keegan to Chelsea... Lol
Chuck Norris
05 Mar 2012 17:36:22
Anyone (including the owners) who expected instead of hoped for 4th place this season were deluded. It takes time for a team to gel. Nobody should judge kenny this year he should be given time and judged on league position next season or even the season after. What is important is that the teams performances improve and I believe the team has made great strides since kenny took over. The fans that are calling for kenny's head should be careful what they wish for or start support Chelsea
100% agree with you fans turn on managers far to quickly, We are playing good football but we just cant finish once we start scoring we will be a class act again
MJ
I've been waiting 20 years for liverpool to ''gel'', shambles, get kenny and all his disaster signings out. downing, adam, henderson and carroll, biggest waste of money ive seen in my 46 years of supporting this club
You're the biggest waste of a supporter I've seen in all my years of - supporting - this club
Babb, kozma, stensgaard, piechnic, stewart, dundee, meijer. All far far far worse signings my mate.
Kev7
Babb, kozma, stensgaard, piechnic, stewart, dundee, meijer. All far far far worse signings my mate.
Kev7
they were terrible but they all came to a fraction of the price
But they were a boat load cheaper.Even allowing for inflation.
I see the 'supporters' are out in force tonight ! It takes a minimum of 2 to 3 years to build a team/ squad that can challenge, no matter how much you spend, even the owners know that. Every manager and every club will make mistakes along the way. Even mufc fans could name a string of fergie failures and that is the same for virtually every club that has gambled in the transfer market- because that's what every transfer is - a calculated gamble. Come back in 2 years and let me know how many of our young signings were a waste of money. I suppose you all thought Lucas was a waste of money ? Real Supporters welcome to reply / Fickle fans - I'm not too bothered what you think !
Derry Red
Derry red, lucas is brutal
To the person above who wreckons 'Lucas is brutal'. It is uneducated, ignorant individuals such as yourself that besmirch the good name of this glorious fotball club by stating such drivel. Might I ask, have you actually ever watched Liverpool in the last 2 seasons...Lucas is a revelation my friend. Be a good supporter and wise up before you comment again.
05 Mar 2012 17:18:55
Oh,quick note to DELUDED,reserve cup? Not too many 'reserves' playing when we rolled into town,was there? Maybe you are just that! DELUDED! We have beaten you three times in a row! Each at your fortress 'The Bridge!' Stick to your own page! WelshBoyDave
05 Mar 2012 16:34:28
Is it too harsh to say that Carra was at fault for both goals?
Honestly, each time he plays he is a liability nowadays, Stoke, Bolton, Cardiff.... the list goes on.....
Sorry Jamie, not good enough anymore and there are some young kids who need experience
Come on the Redmen!!
SwissRed
I personally would of played coates as he is cover for agger side,i think jamie been jamie might look at the game on sat and call it a day maybe end of season due to been of the pace.but lets not forget him and for his horics in the champs leahue final and wot he done for our and his club.he will end up as part of the bootroom
mrbrown
Agree, time that Coates ws installed as number 3 CB.....Northern Git
Actually, I thought Reina was at fault for the first goal. He should of come out and collected the ball from the cross, specially from out wide. There is absolutely no way someone should be scoring a header from the 6 yard box with only Two players in his way.
Totally argee mate he should retired at the season and go into the backroom or go off to coach somewhere else and then come back with a couple of years experience.
beater
Van persie has scored for fun this season every where he has played ,surely carra was not at fault for all these goals !! .Carra still has a massive role to play at lfc !
Just a thought, but why do people think that Carragher will automatically become a great coach or manager.
We all agree that as a player he is a legend.
But his style is very one dimensional, his first insinct often is just to hoof and clear his lines.
Anyone overplaying or elaborating anywhere near the goal is castigated.
He's unlikely to change overnight and become some exponent of expansive football.
Is this what we want for Liverpool FC.
Maybe he would succeed as a defensive coach, or something similar, but he doesn't strike me as having the sort of vision and forward thinking that should be required to manage Liverpool.
David
Sorry but we dont all agree he is a legend. Steve
I have a lot of respect for carra, but wudnt want him as manager, or as part of the backroom staff. he wud teach our younger players how to hoof, n i hate watching players hoof the ball every now n then.
05 Mar 2012 16:32:18
Eds do you get sick of these wannabe liverpool fans ripping in to dalglish who brought us our first trophy in 6 years and has took a team which has 9 new plays to the quatres in the fa cup with only spurs left to challenge us oooooo such a awful job oh dear
Scouse ben {Ed002's Note - We love it Ben. The only thing that makes us sick is creme de menthe and tomato juice..}
Ed im sad you don't like tomato juice.......
Square tomato {Ed002's Note - It ruins a good creme de menthe.}
I agree mate people saying bring bak raffa n whilest we r all greatfull for istanbul champs league its raffa's weak squad that left us in a mess. would like to see arjen robben at anfield if poss proven quality player mite be available for 10 mil as wel miles better than downing... redman matt
Im sorry the only creme I know is Krispy....
Square tomato
The reason why we won the carling cup this year was cos we decided to play the first team unlike most other teams. Doesn't overule the fact that we are 7th
If you don't like whats going on at the club, then f**k off somewhere else, I'm getting sick of you to$$ers having a go at KK, most of the fans are happy with what's going on so we don't need u......
Sooty
Hi Ed 002 - you should try advocaat (the Dutch version) - you'll never drink creme de menthe again. Don't forget to bring a spoon though.
Groetjes Dutchmal {Ed002's Note - Egg nog eh.}
Sooty, funny how its so much easier to tell someone to go and support another club than actually open your mind and take your head out of your arse, and consider other supporters views. Not all the supporters on here have rose coloured glasses mate!
Steve
05 Mar 2012 16:29:38
I think Henderson had a fairly good game on saturday just shows what happens when you play him in the centre. I would definatly start him over Charlie Adam for a while.
Valley Red
Was I blind or didn't he start more on the right, although i know they mix up as the game goes on? He played well, will agree with that.
Keith
Henderson didnt play in the centre! He played wide right, but shifted in and got involved a lot more like he should have the whole season!
AG
05 Mar 2012 16:10:49
Ed,
A while back I had asked about Keen's contribution to the team.....Any info on that?......
We know that Fergie sets every player a target b4 the season in terms of goals.....Do we do anything similar?
LiverBird {Ed002's Note - Keen is on the coaching staff so I am not really clear on what you expect to hear. There will be no targets set in terms of goals.}
05 Mar 2012 16:13:01
im just wondering what the problem is with our penalty issue. At one time we were renowned for being consistant from the spot of a consistant basis and do we practice them. Also am i the lnlyone who believes pepe reina has been poor this year and should have van persies second scouse ben
Because we had gerrard and alonso fully fit at the time
The penalty misses,lack of goals from corners, lack of goals from open play is all linked and this has let us down this season. It may be lack of confidence or trying to hard to score. We need a bit more composure and use the brain a bit more in the final third....There's great football being played with no end result, this has plagued us all season. Most strikers have offdays ours have an off season , I don't think the strikers are being utilised to thir best ability escpecially at set pieces..Bobbinred
05 Mar 2012 15:57:28
for those who want torres back, listen.
why do u want torres back? most people would say because Andy Carroll is not doing what u expect him too. hes not at his best, but he is 22 years old atleast, n time is on his side. u cant even give time to Carroll, how are u gonna live with Torres? u want Kenny to 'nurture' him, give him confidence to get back to his best, r u sure it is easier to get Torres back to his best than getting Andy Carroll to do better? in my opinion, getting Torres back now, would be the same as the part where we just got Andy Carroll, probably get the same or less amount of goals as Andy did, u think u can handle that 1 more time if u cant handle Carroll? to me Carroll has improved atleast.
Kaizer
I'd rather have Torres too be honest, he's doing awful in the scoring department but he's contributing to the approach and with assists most of the time, he can still beat a man atleast. Andy's positional play is just as poor as torres and he doesnt contribute with approach play he just seems lost.
Pete
Let's look at it another way Kaizer like driving! once you've learnt to drive and pass your test you never forget how to drive! Torres has passed his test with flying colour's namely our colour's! Carroll is still learning and has failed his test numrous time's with us! So i think/know it would be a lot easier and more attractive football wise helping Torres re-discover his goal scoring touch than teaching Carroll to be more prolific than he is!
Torres is crashing his car every week - no thanks
Carrol is 23 n i wudnt be surprised if he leaves this summer.
Indian Buzzer
05 Mar 2012 15:45:34
Can I just say to everybody on the rafa bandwagon,why are you so short sighted? It was rafa who made Alonso feel unwanted by trying to sell him to fund a move for Barry,then didn't buy him,then left the position open and didn't replace him. It was Rafa who brought us the infamous list of 'facts'. Rafa also brought us such dross as Degen,Aquaman,Palletta,Itandge,Pennant etc etc. Its easy to say he bought Masch or Torres,but just how many did he get wrong? And let us not forget,HE HAD 5 FULL SEASONS IN CHARGE TO BUILD A SQUAD HE COULD CALL HIS OWN! Why doesn't Kenny get that much time? Sometimes I feel some of the people on here should support Chelsea,constantly on about changing managers,some of you need to learn the Liverpool way! Quick note on the Carling cup,I don't remember playing a single team on the way with a weakened side,every possible match away from home,so stop being so god damn negative! I keep reading,these players are not of liverpool quality,so I must ask,what is this 'liverpool quality?' It takes time to rebuild guys,Kenny deserves better than half the fans n here,Paisley and Shanks would be turning in their graves if they heard the sh*t some you people post! I don't even know why I've posted this,because its going to go straight over the heads of my target audience,them being the unnamed posters that frequent the site! Top site eds, WelshBoyDave
Well blood said Dave.
Exactly what I've been saying. He said he didn't have funds for players but I remember him spending 20 million on an INJURED player to replace our most creative player. I like Rafa and he did well with our club and I am sure theres a place at Liverpool in the future but for now I like what Kenny is doing and we should stick with him.
BthekingB
To BthekingB ,
The reason we got Aqua boy at the time because he was the only player available in installments.
We only paid 5m upfront for him, the rest was over 3 years .. no other club/player was available for a similar deal.
But yes why commit 20m for an injured player, whats worse than that I wonder maybe paying 35m upfront for an injured player.
Roy
I love rafa and would have him back but only when kennys done.
we shouldnt knock rafa to defend kenny and we shouldnt knock kenny to prais raffa.
soul man
Excellent post WelshBoyDave. Agree with you 100%.
You like what kenny is doing? So your a fan of Europa league then, personally im in favour of the champions league.
No i'm a fan of trophies u idiot. That's what kenny has always done and thats what he will do till the day he breathes his last.
abz-lfc
Rafa got us consistent champions league and far closer to winning the prem besides the last season, so in that sense he hasn't done too bad has he, yes there were a few poor signings but Torres, Masch, Alonso, Agger, Reina, Skrtel, Benayoun were all good/great signings too!
E.H LFC
Can't believe true LFC supporters don't realise that it was H&G fault that Rafa had to sell in the first place.
Alonso was a saleable asset and hadn't really performed the previous season, yet Juventus and Arsenal were interested around the £16m mark
Ok WelshBoyDave! when Rafa tried to get rid of Alonso can you remember the reason why? it was Alonso had just had an awful season for us! then the next season galvanised by Rafa's action's he had a stormer of a season! i know Rafa bought some wrongun's but you can't take it away from him he got a lot more right than he got wrong! apart from his last season we were a CL team alway's getting to the latter stage's of the competition! and i think Alonso was gonna go anyway! more money back to his homeland! So maybe Rafa got the ball rolling with Alonso's departure but it was Xabi's choice to go!
To all you lot going on about rafa this rafa that! forget it, that era has gone, thank god, hes the reason we,re as unstabble as we are now! kennys here and hes, here to steady, a what was sinking ship, give the man a chance he WILL turn my beloved club around. i know its a cliche but rome wasnt built in a day, couple more signings and another season to gel we,ll be back fighting at the top of the table. trust me!!
Yes Rafa done well, but Kenny is now cleaning the last of his and roy's mess. When he's done this we will compete again.
Sooty
05 Mar 2012 14:40:10
Yes we're 10 points behind 4th and yes it is very unlikely but why is it everyone seems to have lost hope? we've got a game in hand which could take it to just 7 points behind. If arsenal lose and we win, that's 4 points behind. we've got 12 games yet to play and anything can happen there!
I do think we won't get 4th but i'll never give up hope until it's impossible. And if we don't get 4th, don't you think it's important for us to try and get as high a finish as possible?
All this about Kenny should go and give all the kids a chance because 4th is gone is absolute rubbish. Why disrupt a team when we're still chasing 4th and we're in a quarter final by sacking our manager? And may i say a manager who has come in and won us a trophy (maybe even two)! Things take time but people need to be patient. I want us back in the top 4 more than anyone but i'll always support the team and the manager rather than criticising everything!
At the end of the season, we can all say what's wrong and what should change etc but let's give it till then!
Just before i finish, i want to say a big thanks to the Eds who along with a few others seem to always look at the bigger picture and actually value our club! These guys are doing an amazing job on this site and deserve all the credit they can get!
Dale B
Dale B
I could understand your optimism if we had something new in the team, we keep falling further behind each week, how can we gain ground on the other teams if nothing has changed in the team, (repeating the same action and expecting a diffierent result is the definition of insanity)
We're not getting 4th, everyone needs to move on and focus on atleast doing better than last season. Then maybe next year if we buy a quality striker and PROPER right winger not a centre mid to play there (henderson), we might have a chance next year.
05 Mar 2012 14:31:26
Just to add more to the annoying Torres comments:
Torres was the best striker in the Premier League his first season at liverpool. Since then he has had numerous injuries, numerous managers and numerous low-moral squads to play with. With the right nurturing, Torres could surely be made back into something close to the world beater he was a few years ago.
If Torres could be obtained for around the 15 million mark and Carroll was to leave for a similar amount, I would personally welcome Fernando back with open arms. He is 10 times the player Carroll is when theyre both playing at their best.
In all seriousness, Torres on the cheap is our best option, 7th or 8th is our likely finish in the league this year, so we can say goodbye to any big names or big deals. We need a goal scorer, desperately, if we are likely to get champions league football ever again, so if we can get Torres on the cheap and link him with Suarez, Gerrard and Adam, goals would surely fly in again.
Massively dissapointed that Kenny has let the squad become distracted by the worthless cup and the fairly awful cup. We NEED top 4 and I would happily sacrifice both cups (if we win the FA) for 4th in the league as only then will we be able to attract the players we need to compete with the Manks, Citeh and Spuds.
Pull your finger out Kenny!
#inRafawetrust
KingKenny92
You've wrote a big paragraph on getting torres back and how kenny has done all this stuff wrong and then you sign of saying #inrafawetrust and then write your name as KINGKENNY92...contradicted yourself there
Let. It. Go.
Ash
In Rafa we trust???
Clown
Chris in Tamworth
Ash, my man - I see Charlie Adam is sitting at third most assists in the Prem.
He's on 11, with David Silva on 14.
Not too bad for a flop !?
The Real KB
Adding to The Real KB
If the team had converted a few more of Adams corners plus a couple of his own not hit the bar - we'd be singing his praises like nobody's business...
Luck hasn't been on our side this year full stop!
Suffolk'n Red
Not bad KB my friend! Is there a statistic for sloppy, unnecessary passes, over-running the ball and giving away needless fouls? I'm not really one for 'stats' to be honest. Otherwise I would be rating Carroll, Downing and Henderson, so I'm told (although I don't mind Henderson, just not mad keen on him)
Ash
Don't we make our own luck?
I agree with Ash. Players shud never be judged on stats, but on their contribution to the game over 90 mins. Players like adam, carrol n downing can show flashes of brilliance(that too very rarely), but for larger parts of the game they r s**t.
Indian Buzzer
05 Mar 2012 14:24:59
With 4th place now a long shot will Kenny give some of our promising youngsters some first team experience.
For example Coates playing rather than Carra, Shelvey getting a few starts & some sub appearances for the likes of Sterling, Morgan, Suso, Adorjan, Wisdom, Flanagan, Robinson & Silva.
Of that list of youngsters who are the closest to being ready for the first team
I doubt that you need to make sure you get into the Europa cup
I was hoping to get some thoughts from the Eds on this post {Ed002's Note - Not to the extent you suggest. You need to accept that some of these players are simply not ready for the first team yet. Flanagan is certainly ready and Robinson should be able to step up as cover once Aurelio leaves in the summer but the likes of Suso and Sterling are still perhaps a year back from that.}
I wasn't suggesting they were all thrown in at once, was just trying to gauge how far away they are from making the step up to the first team.
Coates, Kelly & Shelvey will hopefully all get more chances to start & maybe one or two of Sterling, Suso, Adorjan, Morgan, Coady & Silva will make a few cameo appearances from the bench - I was asking of these who do you think is closest to getting a call up.? {Ed002's Note - As stated above.}
Totally agree with ed002 there and for the person tht said we need to make sure of europa league we all ready have by winning the carling cup
mrbrown
05 Mar 2012 13:56:31
The more I watch Suarez's theatricals on Saturday the more embarrassing it is. He is fastly becoming one of the most hated premiership players. Why doesnt KK have a word with him and get rid of this part of his game.
I agree he does some stupid things and needs to change but then he does sometimes show some great emotion. I can't work it out myself but i do think some of his actions need to change. He is one of our most vital players though
Absolute nonsense of a post from a non-LFC supporter.
Why are you watching the negative side of luis too much ! cause you are a manc without doubt.you wont see the negative side of rooney,nani.................
why don't you see the skill of suarez when he got past 4 gooner wih a sublime skill which you could only imagine from your players !
Don't you know Luis invented diving. Before he came to this country diving was non existant! Just ask Ronaldo & Rooney.
The Irish Rover
What crap. There was more than a little contact between suarez and the goalie, that's a pen, every single time, how can u brand him a diver for that.
I thought instead of trying to win a penalty he should have tried to score- with our record of penalties it is by no means certain that a pen will result in a goal
05 Mar 2012 13:24:51
People are saying we may buy Isla or Marin or Luuk de Jong in the summer - lets get real, these players will probably only go to clubs offering them champions league football and we will probably not.
Typical saboteur post! Otherwise you'd leave a name AND would have more depth to your point - laughable prat,
Suffolk'n Red
Why is that a saboteur post? why call the poster a laughable prat? We won't get 4th and they will probably go to a team that's in the CL! what's your problem?
Problem is that the player mentioned are hardly the most sought after! Sign off your posts...
Suffolkn'red
Those player's are sought after! there all very good player's! but the reason i asked you what your problem was was'nt to do with football it was to do with your nasty reply to the original poster? Or is it that time of the month? No name Warrior!
05 Mar 2012 13:24:34
Shelvey will be loan back in Blackpool, if Gerrard is fit and ready to play. But if our captain can't play, Shelvey will stay at Anfield.
@nbstw
What's the point in keeping Shelvey if he do'snt get used? i know Henderson had a good game on Saturday but Shelvey is more adventurous going forward and can pass the killer ball too!
05 Mar 2012 13:08:08
EDS could use open a check eyes page because my eyes must be fuc-ed or i seen adifferent liverpool match at weekend people slaging henderson and other players who only came on for 10 min i no we got beat but we played some verry nice football + every reply to the sack kenny no nothing fans on here should be fu-k off hes the best man for the job i rember people on here say we should get avb look how well he did
liverpool till i die
I only kind of understand what your on about but i think i agree.
Well said mate hendo is a cm there for thinks like 1 not a winger he should of had 3 chanes on sat but other players failed to pick him out in clear goal chance situations we are progressing nicely.next season is the season where we should put in a massive push
chris brown
Where's my glass'es?
05 Mar 2012 13:00:08
I don't know why everyone is going on about a new manager.
If our strikers had been firing this season we would be in the top 4 easily.
KD had a big job to do when he came in.
We had a very poor squad with some of them on stupid money.
We are playing better football (most of the time) , we've 1 trophy with our name on it with a good chance of a 2nd.
Be patient it is a shame it looks like were going to miss out on the top 4 , but hopefully next season we will make it.
I think if we bought s top striker and a right winger in the summer we can mount a serious challenge next season.
LAVERS
I agree with your post but can also see peoples frustrations, you said if we had a striker who could score... Well 57 million was spent on strikers, so the manager has to take responsibility there.
Despite where we lie in the table we are in a much better position than last year, we almost expect to beat every side this year and that it self shows how far we har come.
I believe a winger and a finisher with Lucas and gerrard back next year will push us on big time, I for one believe in what we are doing for the future and am delighted with the progress we are making.
G BOX
Its always next season
Gbox, I take it from your post we reckon we shouldn't have signed Suarez then?
I can see where your coming from G BOX , but I remember seeing comolli say whatever Newcastle wanted for Carroll chelsea had to pay 15mil more for torres.
We rated Carroll at 20 mil and torres at 35mil , whether that's true or not I don't know.
We have paid what seems over the odds for players but Atleast the money has been made available.
Some transfers just don't work out simple as that regardless of how much they cost.
LAVERS
G Box, forget Gerrard. He is never going to fully recover. His best is well behind him now and in reality we should be looking to sort out his replacement and give him game time.
To the above poster about Suarez I do think we should have signed him, he was perfect to link up with Torres but he is not a Goalscorer, and gerrard is finished? Behave yourself son...
G BOX
05 Mar 2012 12:57:12
are we not forgetting that our performance agaisnt arsenal was the best of the season? and how about that we havent managed to play our best XI all season and our 2nd only once or twice! Given the circumstances i think we are doing well and 5th is likely and 2 cups brilliant. Keep the Faith Next year Lucas will be fit thank goodness and carrol, suarez and gerrard can all play together some more. GIven this year is a transitional year I think were doing well it would have been even better with lucas and suarez playing a lot more and if we buy a right winger someone awesome like hulk/robben i know unlikely but now that we have a good base squad we need a few more key players well be a force to be reckoned with.
GK-reina 4/5
Lb enrique 4/5
cb agger 4/5
cb skrtel 3.5/5
rb johnson 4/5
lm downing 3.5/5
cm gerrard 4/5
cm lucas 4/5
rm ?
St suarez 4/5
St caroll 3/5
i think thats a pretty awesome starting line up and to rafa lovers (myself included) we had better key players torres, alonso, mascherno but poor squad players pennant, degen, babel kewell! sorry for the rant thoughts?
Your "ratings" on some of these players is laughable! 3/5 for carroll is a travesty, you need your head checking lol
JWalk
I'm a staunch Red but i don't want Carroll here next season!
You missed out bellamy
05 Mar 2012 12:55:49
There is alot of doom and gloom on this site as always after Saturdays loss to Arsenal but I would remind all supporters where we are- we outplayed and dominated Arsenal for the whole game and were again ineffective in front of goal- look at this positively- we were without four first team regulars- Agger, Johnson, Gerrard and Lucas.
Whilst I think a CL spot is now beyond our reach, with the addition of one or two players (including a deadly finisher in the mould of Soldado) we should be very well placed to challenge for the top 4 next season.
But with it being likely that no CL football next season how will we attract this deadly finisher?
Just like we attracted Suarez. Do you think LFC has lost its reputation just like that? You can do better be honest
NextGenRed
A lot of team's were put off Luis for his antic's at the world cup and in the dutch league after he bit that player! So his baggage put a lot of top team's off! If a top team in the CL had gone in for him i really don't think he'd be here now!
05 Mar 2012 12:47:45
Morning all,
Ed002, apologies for jumping down your neck yesterday morning. I was in a bad mood with everyone in the world.
Our old friend Rafa Benitez and your man Roman Abramovich ; a marriage made in hell surely ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - No need to apologize. I don't see Rafa Benitez being manager of Chelsea any time soon.}
05 Mar 2012 12:42:49
A quick question for the EDS do you think Lucas will play this season even if its a cameo for 10 mins?
Mat lfc {Ed002's Note - I really don't know. If he is completely fit and there is zero risk and he has been training then maybe. Else it strikes me as a particularly dumb thing to do.}
05 Mar 2012 12:29:43
By the way wasnt Henderson poor on Saturday. Him and Carroll are probably the worst signings in the premier league this season.
How can you possibly say hendo was rubbish on sat if other players had choose the ryt option he would of had a hatrick watch the match agen you clown.the two boys you mentioned are 21 yrs old.did you expect them to be world beaters on there first season.stop drinking your gin or whisky it has your thoughts disalusioned.like a say watch the game agen shud kuyt of left the rebound to a screaming hendo [yes] shud adam of put him in 1-1 with there keeper oh yes and shud suarez have squared it along the six yard box wen hendo was free and an open goal oh another yes.if he got the ryt sevice at tht time and got a hatrick his name would of been sang endlessly.hendo is coming on heaps and bounds considering he centre mid not ryt wing give the young lads time to develope,there is only 1 player in tht squad not worthly of a red shirt and tht is adam
I thought Henderson did ok on saturday.
I thought Henderson played very well on Saturday. His best game for us by far.
Ash
Can someone interpret that last post into English?
Hasn't Adam got the 3rd highest assists in the please this season....
Your post would have more credibility (moderately so anyway) if you could actually construct a gramatically sound sentence...and while you are at it, consider consulting a dictionary every now and then...you illiterate.
As for Henderson and Carroll, yes, ABSOLUTELY, the expectation was for them to come into the team and hit the ground running. You don't pay over $50 million for the two of them as part of some apprentice program unless they are touted as the next Messi or Ronaldo.
Their age was attractive because management thought they would be with us for a long time but, that should not be confused with them using the next few years on the first team to simply put in time and learn their trade. The expectation was that they would make meaningful first team contributions IMMEDIATELY with the added benefit of being young. If they were purely prospects, then there is no way we would have paid as much as we did.
05 Mar 2012 11:57:08
hi eds the thing that got me on saturday, was the fact that kenny didnt make changes till it was to late, for me the subs should of happened a lot sooner. i think carroll and bellamy should of ben brought on around 65mins as vermalen was struggling with his back so we should of used carroll to give him a few nudges.
also ed i was 1 person who never thought Kenny should of got the job at liverpool as i just liked to have him upstairs. So without sounding to negative do you see him being moved upstairs any time soon, as from what everyone is led to believe there is undoubtledly a top quality manager going to be looking for a job come summer so is it the right time to try to snap him up.
Yes that man is mourinho i know some people dont like his ways but to me he is a quality manager, and a winner as he has proved at every club he has been at
top job use guys do.
lfcforlife {Ed002's Note - I expect the owners and the management team will have much to discuss at the end of teh season - until then the priority is to win as many games as possible and see where that takes the side.}
If Kenny were to step down for what ever reason, i would like Guus Hiddink as he had better stats than Morinho whilst at Chelsea. Seems a nice guy too.
The Crow {Ed002's Note - Given he has a job and is now 65 I would think it most unlikely.}
I believe kenny left the changes so late because we had been putting arsenal under severe pressure and it seemed only a matter of time before we began to reap the benifits.Possibly changes would have interrupted our momentum.In the end we were just immensely unlucky unfortunately that is the story of our season so far.
YNWA.
The problem with Mourinho is that he seldom stays with clubs for more than a couple of seasons, which leads to a great deal of instability. In the short time he is with a club he buys players and brings in staff to suit his preferred style of play, meaning that subsequent managers have to deal with the consequences of inheriting players they may not feel comfortable with, players whose attributes might not be suitable to their philosophy.
Red Owl
Nobody is denying Mourinho's quality and winning record, just I wont support Liverpool anymore if he has anything to do with the club.
Well said Red Owl. You get the impression that Mourinho is out to build as an impressive CV for himself as is possible, and tick off as many famous clubs as he can in the process. It's all irrelevant anyway, he doesn't want to come to Liverpool and we don't want him. Full f stop.
The Real KB
Its always about luck with you lot, everyone is 'lucky' to beat you and you are always unlucky' when you lose!! Get yourself down to specsavers, the simple fact is that you are not good enough!
Half the post on here bleat about not scoring enough goals, well that is the managers fault for having no established 20 goal striker in the premier league. Carroll hasn't proven anything and didnt even finish top scorer in the championship, Suarez is more of a creator and will only bag 10-15 a season and Kuyt is a journeyman.
Stop moaning about luck and face facts.
Bazza
Kuyt scored 71 in 101 appearances for Feijenoord. Suarez scored 81 goals in 110 appearances for Ajax. Are we saying the Dutch Eredivisie is no good or what ? If they had both carried on in the same way, we would have been champions by now..... Northern Git
05 Mar 2012 11:44:44
After KD who will manage us next?
Liverpool are in a difficult position if they do not qualify for champions league as they will struggle to attract the kind of players they want. Its true you only want player that have a desire to play for your club but you also need top quality players that can do the business.
If Liverpool quailfy for CL I wouldn't be suprised if they line up someone like Karl Robinson (ex-liverpool and MK Dons manager) for the future. His teams are reported to play good football, he gets high praise from his peers, and he knows the Liverpool way but without CL he wouldn't have the ability to draw players until he is proven.
If we don't qualify for CL I think the owners will aim for Guardiola. They want to build a dynasty around a man that will stay for a time. On his name alone he can sign big players even if we don't have CL football and he is not a problem character, dignified, right image and calm. He has praised the liverpool academy which has two ex Barca coaches (Segura and Borrell) responsible for many of the Barca present 1st team. He has also remained tight lipped about whether he will stay where he is. Don't think he would be interested in Chelsea either, it is just managerial madness there.
The Big Easy
Get real!
Pep is Barca through and through a Catalan legend and you think he would leave that and loyaly stay with us NO UCL and build a dynasty? Kenny messed up bigtime but should stay and in future a great deal more collective desion making on transfers.
Tell me more how has kenny messed up, deluded or what he has built a team for the future not just now he boughts kids with good prospects in a year or so rome wasnt built in a day we won the carling cup a very good chance of the fa cup and possibly europa league now ad say tht was better than the last 5 seasons wouldnt you.if you have no patients in what we are achiving the do one and support man city u creature
chris brown
Disagree, I prefer watching liverpool in the champions league playing the likes of real madrid and barcelona, than watching cup finals with cardiff, which lets be honest was yet another draw, we only had penalties to win on. How on earth would we attract Pep Guardiola? where a mid table team at best now.
I think that, if by some miracle Guardiola left Barca AND was interested in being the manager of Liverpool, King Kenny would step down. Most people know that Guardiola, if he leaves, would be the ideal man to manage any club during a long-term building project, and I doubt very much Kenny would hinder Liverpool by making it difficult to sign him up. Still, I don't think he will leave Barca, and if he does I don't think he'll end up at Anfield. Just my thoughts on the debate.
Rugby Parker
05 Mar 2012 11:40:33
hi eds, just wondering if you know why sterling was warming up with the first team on saturday before the game? never seen it happen before {Ed002's Note - At a guess it was just to give him a little experience of matchday. It is not unusual for youth players to be given trips to away games with the first team squad, or a chance to warm up before the game.}
05 Mar 2012 11:16:29
Its clear to me that this site will alway
be full of fans who moan about the club.
If we were sat 4th in the table with no CC trophy and out the FA Cup, that would keep the moaners from previous posts happy. (or would it?) but other moaners would appear.
Instead we are 10 points behind, with a game in hand and 4th is looking further and further away.
I suppose it all boils down to your view of, is the glass half empty or half full.
We have a trophy and are one game away from returning to Wembley for the second time this season.
Rome wasn't built in a day and all the "Get kenny out" jokers on here need to get back to the Football manager game or start seeing the bigger picture.
4th spot this season would earn us nothing except money. Next year we have a new kit manufacturer who are paying double what addidas are paying and the owners are doing what they can to increase revenue.
My point is if multi million pound companies can support us and can see what we are trying to achieve, why can't most of you?
There is no doubt the club is heading in the right direction and with a bit of look this season we could have been 4th, 3rd or wherever. Unfortunately that isn't the case and we are where we are due to bad finishing and bad luck.
I'd much rather be in the CL with a chance of winning, than be in it to attract players who just want CL football. To play for LFC it should be an honour, a desire and players should have faith in the clubs ambitions.
Answer me this.. If we had an on form Torres in our team this season where would we be?
Yes the team needs strengthening, yes we need our look to change but how the he'll are we ment to return to the traditional LFC when the fans are oohin and arrrin and moaning all the time.
LFC is built on tradition and as a great man once said "If you can't support us when we're loosing, don't support us when we're winning"
Judge the team at the end of the season, until then let's unite and be renowned for the best fans in the world and not a bunch of spoilt brats,
Let me ask you something;
4th spot no trophies?
Or
5th, 6th with both the FA and Carling Cups?
I know what I'd rather have achieved going into the new season if I was a football player.
Ever heard the saying you need to learn to crawl before you can walk? Well don't forget how crippled our club was last season. With time and hard work our club will soon be running to the finish line ahead of everyone else, we just need to be patient and believe.
YNWA
TIZER RED
How can we be heading in the right direction when we are in exactly the same spot as we finished last season?
Steve
Spot on mate, totaly aggree with you.
Good post.
martin p
Steve, lets make that judgement on the final day of the season.
We've still to play Newcastle and Chelsea - 6 pointers. We've got the easiest run in out of the other teams going for 4th.
I don't think we'll get 4th. I do think we're in with a chance of 5th if we start converting more of our chances. A bit of luck and whatever it is that's not quite right clicks into place then we won't finish 7th...Plus, we'll have a Carling cup and hopefully an FA cup too.
Steve.
how can we be in "exactly the same spot as last season"?
As I said in my post, we are Carling Cup winners and still in with a very good chance of winning the FA Cup.
Our wage bill has been sliced dramatically we have an improved main sponsor and have a kit manufacturer who will be paying us more than what Nike pay Un**ed.
We have a very good youth system that is probably second to only Barcelona and
Our football is exiting.
This is Kenny's first full season in charge and incase you've forgotten the last time we won the league Kenny was the man pulling the strings.
The season isn't over yet and like I've said in previous posts, we've had injuries and bans to deal with not forgetting 8 or 9 new additions to the squad who needed time to gel.
A RW/RM and a ST who's a clinical finishers in the summer and we will be a difficult team to beat.
Yes we're behind Un**ed, City and Spurs but we're better than Chelsea and Arsenal. We just need a few more signings.
TIZER RED
How can you say we are better than Arsenal, they are 10 points ahead of us on the ladder?
IMO -there will always be posters who want more than can be expected or have delusions that we can transpose ourselves from virtual closure to the top of the pile.
If I could have one wish it would be that there is a sense of reality about our actual position - MCFC and CFC have completely altered the game of football. Financial performance is absolutely critical - we don't have the resources to ring in the changes like flicking a switch.
Half full or half empty - the truth is that the line should be seen as in the middle!!
YNWA - Suffolk'n Red
Tizer, great post mate. Like you I'm well and truely fed up with the attitude of some fans on here. I'm with you mate, I am defo confident for the future! - TMac
The thing is, it is league position that is the best indicator of whether a team is progressing - not cup finals. Otherwise the likes of Birmingham, Portsmouth and Cardiff would all be flying high. Cup wins are partly about luck - which we got in spades against Man City and Cardiff.
Next season, Chelsea and Arsenal are likely to be better. We will need a dramatic improvement in goalscoring to have a chance of significantly improving our league position. I can't recall ever seeing a team that converted fewer chances than we do.
Tizer Red thank god you came along and posted this post! someone who shares the same opinions as me and gives me a reason to read this site other than for the hardword of the Eds
To the unsigned poster who wrote this....
How can you say we are better than Arsenal, they are 10 points ahead of us?
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I said we are a better team than Arsenal which we are. The difference between us and them is RVP. He has scored more goals than our entire team.
That's what we're missing.
TIZER RED
There's no such thing as an easy run in! especially in this premiere league!
The fact of the matter is that you are NOT better than Arsenal (This is the worst Arsenal team I have ever witnessed). You say that you are only 3/4 world class players away from success but so are Arsenal. You can't say you are better right now then state that you need 3/4 players to be better than Arsenal.
For every world class player you sign , if you gave Arsenal a world class player also, I would hedge my bets that Arsenal would still come out on top.
05 Mar 2012 11:13:55
What price on Rafa for Chelsea?
Iggypop
05 Mar 2012 10:37:43
Simple suggestion to our goal scoring problems..
Bloody reduce the size of traning ground goals..
The amout of time we hit woodwork..its will be good if on trainingground they hit wood work..
In real time those will go in :D
On Serious note..We could have been up 3-1 at half time. So bad luck, Fair play to Arsenal they made 3 chances in all and took 2 of them..
We made 10 and took none:D
-- Bhavesh India.
05 Mar 2012 10:25:50
johnson
skrtl
agger
kelly
quates
enrique
2 players needed
lucas
adam
henderson
gerrard
2 players missing 1 left footed would love strootman very good player and erikson.he is a snijder type of player.
downing
bellamy
1 player missing need a winger dont know who do.
caroll
suarez
kuyt
1 player missing if kuyt leaves we need 2 higain de jong.
we need 8 players that may seem a lot but its not maxi aurelio kuyt will leave and carra will problery stop.they need to be replaced.
maybe we can give some youth players a chance wisdom morgen ect ect.
we will need to spend big this summer.
erikson and strootma will be around 35mil
higuain and de jong 50mil
2 defenders and a winger will cost another 30mil.
i know thats alot of money but thats what manu man city have spend to be up there.
they bought jones young de gea for 60mil after winng the tittle.
if we were able to spend 20mil on downing nothing is impossible.
Up the dosage - reality appears to be evading you...
Suffolk'n Red
05 Mar 2012 10:25:37
Liverpool will finish 5th or 6th, more likely 5th. Yes we will strive for 4th, it's in our nature to keep going, but I think we have drifted too far now. Europa league is already secured. No, it's not the Champions League, but it's European Football for next season. A good learning curve for players who if thrown straight into the Champions League, would be somewhat overawed. Let's win the FA cup, end the season with 2 trophies, and continue to build. Chelsea didn't do it overnight, nor did City. Even old Rudolph nose at Utd took a while to get everything right.
Your going backwards you mug.
Yeah we are going backwards, I myself long for the days of Hodgson, Konchesky, Poulsen, Jovanovic, Cole and N'Gog...
05 Mar 2012 09:31:43
Please can any one or the Eds tell me a site where i can see premier league stats for eg. Chances creation , Conversion rate , shots ,etc.
Thank you
AJI
We are top on chances created and bottom on chances converted. well we were a couple of weeks ago anyway. hope that helps
TomKop7
05 Mar 2012 08:08:49
I have spoken to allot of arsenal fans now and pretty much all of them would swap the trophy for fourth spot which is slightly suprising but obvioulsy shows that the bottom line in football is too win trophys. If we finish outside the top four I will still be pleased because we have silverware( possibly more) many will disagree but I think the pressure is off now which will probably help us play better and get better results it's all on arsenal (possibly Chelsea) to lose now if they slip up and we take advantage then great, but let's try enjoy the rest of the season, personally an FA cup trophy along with league cup would be a very good season.
Square tomato
Dont agree with you Square tomato and the Arsenal fans you have been talking too , dont seem to know much about their club. Their only hope to keep RVP is qualifying to the champions league next season and without him they'll drift even more, loose more players and then even cups will be hard to achieve ..
Birmingham won a cup last year, where are they now and half their players have left them since then.
Roy
Winning trophies is certainly important. Arsenal fans will soon have gone eight years without a trophy. That is a very long time to wait. Red Owl
The thing is what use is it being in a cup every year and never winning?
Square tomato {Ed002's Note - Well if nothing else it brings in about £35M or so to the business. Enough for a new striker and a new winger or a couple of decent managers each year.}
{Ed002's Note - Well if nothing else it brings in about £35M or so to the business. Enough for a new striker and a new winger or a couple of decent managers each year.}
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Except in the case of Chelsea 35M is not enough for 1 manager over 8 months ..
I am loving ED002 today .. wow the AVB thing really a/effected you.
Roy
Ed I would rather premote from youth academy and win trophies every year than spend all revenue on players this is just my opinion it would be great to be in CL every year but it's not the be all and end all.
Square tomato
05 mar 2012 06:39:55
i cant believe .....we have just scored 30 something goals in total n.......a single rvp has scored 25..
.i mean what the coaching staff is doing.....liverpool has most shots on goal n most shots denied by woodwork ......shouldn't we need to sharpen ...its a simple coaching stuff.
n i just get the feeling kk ..just has just emotional n strong belief stuff to offer ....he lacks tactical stuff a bit ....
u see the way we played yday ....had we been playing whole season like that....sure we would have been in top 3
Kenny should the next one to go after avb.
Eds, a request: why on earth allow this sort of txt spk drivel on what is becoming a classy site....whats wrong with good old fashioned english ?
tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - I agree Tel and I guess someone who understands the language without vowels let it through.}
We have just scored 30 something goals - I missed that match - when was it played? Dutchmal
**We have just scored 30 something goals - I missed that match - when was it played? Dutchma**
will u please read the complete comment , i said in total ....means in all of our league games.
It's kind of hard to read the complete comment to be honest mate {Ed001's Note - I would have deleted it for being drivel if I had edited it too. If people are too lazy to type it in English, then I am too lazy to be bothered to try and decipher it.}
You wrote 'we have just scored 30.....' You should have written 'we have scored just 30 ....' That is why I answered with a bit of 'banter' - this is the BANTER PAGE after all!
05 Mar 2012 05:41:50
I gotta say I really hope Lyndon keeps posting dribble because he brings out the absolute best from Ed002. I could read his/her/its reponses all day.
Melbourne CFC
There u are, I was wondering where you were hiding while your team and ex-boss was taking a hiding? But I suppose you're already used to seeing managers come and go, eh? what a joke of a club you got! SingRed {Ed002's Note - It has been a very successful approach of course. But I do appreciate that Chelsea have now had as many managers in the past two years as Liverpool.}
A joke of a club? Hiding?
Mum told me I cant hang round the spam anymore so I had to kick the habbit of coming on this page.
You do know the joke of a club you are referring to has won 3 PL titles in the past 8 years while you have won none in 20. Has been consistently playing Champions League football over the past 9 while your beloved team has been on the decline (although for some reason you all think your on the up?) And this same joke of a club is 7 points clear of you while playing so badly that they have had to sack the coach.
I am use to seeing managers come and go but i guess that comes with the territory of expectations of success. While you blind faith supporters are now claiming the king in doing a terrific job by keeping you in 7th while also doing the near impossible of having played more league games than you have scored in.
Melbourne CFC
Spam Ed? Really? Surely you can be more creative than that.
Melbourne CFC
8 managers in 9 years is a joke!
Or 8 in 10 years is another way to look at it ed002? But i do get what you mean, chelsea have won a lot of trophies even with the constant changing.
Kiwired
And thattorres have averaged 1.8 goals per manager.
Hey, did Torres score at the weekend?
Nah he didnt im taking it im talking to cozinoz with the same old question, like almost all Liverpool players we have unfortunately purchased they have not been able to get to a high enough standard and are left on the bench.
Melbourne CFC
Not being rude but you paid 200m per title , unfortunately CL is not paid for but won.Regardless CFC is becoming a joke world wide with the way you spend more money on managers then players , considering you bought torres for 50 why not give him a go managing your club it will be cheaper in the long run.AVB has done a great job for the premiership and should take another 300-400m to get back to your boring best.No offence chelsea football reminds me of what stoke would look like if Pulis had some money.
Where as we have not been successful recently and it will take a few years to be up there again we will at least look to support our manager and players ( some of us ) its not blind faith to believe in LFC its what it means to be a supporter this club has given us great joy so when its bad we dont run off and sack the manager and if all else fails support Man city.
To be honest the truth is Chelsea never fully recovered from Man city being richer and more attractive to play for bu honestly shows ~ARAB oil is etter then Russian oil.
Enjoy your last season in the top four as in years to come you claim to of been there when you team last won something.
OK then, since the two of you are shaking hands, let's see what the remainder of the season brings for your beloved Chelsea, and whoever that comes in and try and shake that bunch of pensioners (your old nickname).
SingRed
I am delighted our club tends to understand the importance of stability rather better than clubs like Chelsea, clubs that are simply the big toys of little men with too much money.
Red Owl {Ed002's Note - So has stability brought more success in recent years than Chelsea changing managers when they don't work out?}
I guess it's ok to keep paying off managers just to satisfy the craving for immediate success and gloat, as long as it's not your money, ay, Ed? SingRed {Ed002's Note - If a manager is not working out it is not unreasonable to change them. Remember Roy H? Nobody wants anyone to lose their job but no one is gloating at all. I can't figure out if you are just dumb or simply being a jerk.}
Quite funny reading all this, how Liverpool fans can have the audacity to criticise Chelsea is beyond me. For the past Eight years Chelsea have been superior to Liverpool. Liverpool are not on the up, beating a poor championship team in the reserve team cup does not mean you are on the up.
DELUDED
Sack AVB for poor results - I understand. But what about Mourinho and Ancelotti, who got culled for delivering ur club the League and club double? Which club sack managers because their football is bland? U guys are defending the indefensible! SingRed {Ed002's Note - That answers the question about whether you are dumb or a jerk - it seems you have managed both and demonstrated rather a lot of ignorance of the game. Great stuff.}
Chelsea have had more money than Liverpool fairly simple...we are not prepared to pay the exorbitant wages that Chelsea are.
GuvTOB
SingRed I think what Ed002 means in broader terms than you are dumb, cause thats just stating the obvious, who told you Mourinho got sacked? Check your sources are facts because you add stuff to the drivvle you post.
Melbourne CFC
05 Mar 2012 01:57:05
Hi ed, could u see us bringing in four players this summer. I mean for positions of RB, RW, CAM and ST. I think Isla (if he proves fitness), Phillips, Ramirez and De Jong for these positions respectively are feasible IMO. And also may be a back up GK (Nordfeldt to replace Doni and Jones). We are currently short of a Striker and we need to replace Kuyt, Maxi and Johnson for their respective positions. Opinions ed,
AJ {Ed001's Note - I doubt we will buy that many first team players, it disrupts the team badly when you have too many changes. That was one of Rafa's main mistakes, every season the team would have 4 or 5 new players trying to bed in and by the time they did we were too far behind.}
Ed001, SO PRETTY MUCH we have to stay with the current team eh,,, then no doubt Europa is our place. Last summer was only 1st part of rebuilding, this summer there need to be the second part of rebuilding the lad above me was absolutely correct, If Johnson, Kuyt , Maxi, Aurelio, Doni, and Jones leave don't you think we need to replace them. above all we need a goal scoring Striker. So 4 new players should not be out of the question . the players he mentioned, Phillips, Ramirez, De Jong, and the free Swedish Goalie won't cost more than 35-45M. If Kuyt, Johnson, Maxi leaves and we did not replace them then WTH? Even now with all of them abroad we are struggling then god knows how we 'll cope with out them.
Kuyt and Maxi should be starting for Liverpool week and week out but player favoritism has kept them away from 1st team. Johnson is always our only threat from wide right with Henderson been useless played out of position there.
This is not the same scenario as Rafa's, our squad still is not complete and certainly lacks in certain areas unlike at Benitez days. I believe after the arrival of 4 new players in the summer the returning Lucas will complete our squad. {Ed002's Note - I think the argument is that you have had the revolution and now it is time for evolution. And I have decided I may only talk in cliches for a while.}
The more players you bring in the more next season will be about rebuilding. It will likely be like this season people whining about how players aren't fitting in properly , they have to understand eachother and the team play
Uruseb
{Ed002's Note - I think the argument is that you have had the revolution and now it is time for evolution. And I have decided I may only talk in cliches for a while.}
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ED002, dont you think your club need an uprising against a dictatorial ownership .. Its time for a Chelsea spring.
Roy
{Ed002's Note - You mean against the "successful dictorial ownership" Roy?}
{Ed002's Note - You mean against the "successful dictorial ownership" Roy?}
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As successful as your spelling I guess --Sorry cheap dig I know --
But seriously 36m over 8 months is what this managerial changes have cost chelsea .. just put an extra 10->15m and you could've bought another mis-firing striker ..
And the funny part , he (the owner) blames the players for sacking the manager .. now if that is not dictatorship behavior , dont know what is.
Roy
{Ed002's Note - If Liverpool qualified for the Champions League they could have the money to do this each year as well. And the owner does not blame the players for sacking the manager either - where do you get this nonsense?}
OK ED002 I replied earlier but included a link , so maybe not made it to you.
But there is an article in the Telegraph (online) about Roman having a go at the players and blaming them for AVB sacking.
As for your comment regarding LFC would've done the same if they had cl money year in year out .. I am astonished such comment came out from you and may I remind you, under Rafa five years in CL and never thought about replacing him (even though they may have been good reasons to).
I take it , its a raw/bad day for you, possibly have your blue jersey on with AVB initials at the back, and pondering where did it all go wrong ..
Roy (Still have the biggest respect to you and the information you always supply on this forum). {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are referring to but can assure you that whilst the owner blames the players as well as the manager for poor performances he does not blame the players for "AVB sacking". If the Daily Telegrapgh are saying that he has blamed the players for teh sacking of the manager I suspect legal action will be started today.}
ED002
just google "telegraph chelsea".
You may want to start the legal action.
Roy {Ed002's Note - It is poor copy editing as Burt did not say anything in the item about it. But I agree a badly written headline. What was said to the players was that they are responsible for the poor performances and, rather ironically, that they should be experienced enough to win some games without a coach at all. The rest of the article appears reasonably well written - there are two minor factual errors which are unimportant and there is some conjecture which is probably not correct.}
05 Mar 2012 01:30:15
Thought both goals let in on the weekend were soft. Both out of nowhere, both because JC lost his man and both because Reina didn't do enough. Credit to Van Persie - two good finishes, but feel if Agger was in and Skrtel was taking up Carra's position on the right of CD, Van Persie wouldnt have had the free runs he had. Hard for Carra to make his return to league starting line-up against the in form striker of the league. This game showed he is not at the required standard for every game anymore. I never feel easy when he is in the team. Love the man immensely, but he was exposed on the weekend. Hope Coates gets a run out soon, but can't see Carra being 4th choice CB. Oh well, looks like I'll be watching uneasily until Agger returns! Easy for me to say from my armchair, but that's my opinion.
LIVERPRES
Yeh, simple rule for goalkeepers, if you're beaten on your near post, you have to ask questions, but to be fair he was caught flat-footed, he obviously didn't expect such a neat finish from a volley over the shoulder..... who would?
Red7.
Personally I think reina gets beaten at his near post far too often and has butter fingers on shots directly at him too. Still a good shot stopper but I just feel the standard he set early in his Liverpool career has dipped. Maybe he is complacent because he knows he will play every game.
Nevada
05 Mar 2012 01:08:07
These supporters that want Rafa back are crazy. To some degrees, I understand what they are talking about. If he had been given more money at the right time, we may have had Silva, Villa and Aguerro. And yes, there was political turmoil at the club which made his job a lot more difficult than it might have been. And yes, he generally showed league improvement throughout his tenure, apart from the last year, in which he went a bit mad. However, it is easy to remember the good and forget the bad. Remember his absolutely crazy team selections? Sometimes they looked like the team sheet had been picked at random. You never knew who was going to play. Remember the terrible cup performances? We had some stinkers. He had quite a few dodgy signings, and his man management skills were questionable. And let's not forget that he seemed to go a bit mental! Don't get me wrong, great guy, great tactician, but it would be a definate step backwards.
Personally, I strongly support keeping the management as it is for at least 2 more seasons. Even man city with their wealth couldn't get a team of the worlds finest players to win consistently enough to win things in 1 year - in fact it took closer to 3. Kenny, with an overall outlay of about 30 million, has got a team of players playing well enough that they outplay almost every team, almost every week. Alright, they havn't got the points they deserve, but they have only been outplayed on maybe 3 occasions. We are unbeaten in all cup competitions, and have won 1 of them. As far as the future is concerned, the new players bought are on smaller wages than many, we have some good prospects from the academy to come through, a squad that is small enough to add a few more players. Many people question the players kenny has bought, but he obviously knows his stuff better than most. We bossed arsenal last week, with his dodgy signings. We will only get better.
Stop all this sack kenny talk, it's crazy. We're not Chelsea. Even if it wasn't kenny, I would probably say give him more time, but it is kenny, so definately give him more time. I assure you, he will do it. He will deliver the league title. I still don't think fourth is out of the question for this season.
Sorry for the long post, had to vent! Nick.
Some of that Rafa crazy might have rubbed off mate. Liverpool for fourth?
Melbourne CFC
Taking KK back to manage the team is already taking a few steps backwards. You must be joking when you say that KK got the team to play well enough to outplay almost every team almost every week! Yeah almost... are we satisfied with almost for the past 20 years? It is pathetic to see the team struggling against teams like Wigan,Norwich,Blackburn,etc. Kenny has been great in the past but not anymore. Give him time as most would say. Why not give him 10 more years. Everton once brought back Howard Kendall and it failed miserably. We need to compete with the others in wages and better players not average ones at inflated prices. We need good players to blend with the young blood. Buying players like Adam,Downing is hardly the solution be it short term or long term. Winning the league cup unconvincingly is hardly any catalyst towards greater heights and success! I'm just sick over their inconsistent display over the years. Oh i missed the Paisley and Fagan reign.
Dont know why Melbourne is here being so smug. Especially when the mad russian lets Rafa take the reins at Chelsea (and then sacks him in a moment of petulance and impatience)
cozinoz
I am merely coming on here to remind you cozinoz and the other deluded gromits that while Chelsea is in absolute crisis, and performing poorly, we still sit comfortably 7 points clear of you.
And i hope Roman has learnt enough lessons that taken Liverpools deadwood or as you call them stars only ends in tears.
Melbourne CFC
Bet you'd swap your 7 points for some silver any day pal
cozinoz
If we are talking about Carling Cup silverware I am afraid I would have to decline. Our trophy cabinet over the past 10 years is more than enough to keep me going for another coupla. But congradulations once again on the biggest success Liverpool has had in 5 years. A truly remarkibly dull achievement.
Melbourne CFC
You'd do well to remember Melbourne that your greatest ever manager Jose always took the Carling cup seriously and also said it was an important trophy because it's the earliest chance you get to win a trophy which can galvanize your entire club and improve morale. A true winning mentality considers winning EVERY trophy important, not just two.
Nevada
True Nevada, but you would do well in remember our greatest ever manager also won 2 premier league titles and an FA Cup in the space of 3 seasons, which in more league titles than your team in the past 20. The only flaw i see with the point your making is that your team were pushed to the end by a championship team in the Carling Cup and went on to loose their next game which was at home. I'm not that sure your morale is been boosted all the much, it has just given the delusional a chance to dream again.
Melbourne CFC
But Melbourne we totally outplayed Arsenal! only finishing let the Red's down!
The manner of win is nowhere near as important as the actual win Melbourne. Mourinho regularly scored 1 goal then shut up shop and was boring as hell to watch. Same goes for nearly all of italys world cup wins, but would any of them trade exciting football with no success?
I understand your point about playing a championship side but like I said its more important to win...not how you win. We managed to beat the league leaders prior to that to get to the final so I think a little more credit is due.
Nevada
So let me get this right Nevada. Our most successful manager played boring football and after scoring 1 goal he shut up shop, which is a negative to you. But your team was pushed to the edge by a championship side but managed to get the win in the end which is the most important thing?
And to the poster before you, in some peoples opinion on here you have outplayed every team you've played this year. Your squad is average at best (and I know what an average squad can look like at times) and you can't keep bringing the same arguement to the party. You dont know how to put the ball in the net. If you did you would play better than the teams you play against.
Melbourne CFC
04 Mar 2012 23:43:11
Why do people keep saying we have nothin to play for? We are 10 points off 4th with a game in hand, if we win that we are 7 off, we still have Newcastle and Chelsea to play and all it takes is arsenal to Lose a couple of games for us to be back in the race, Newcastle and Chelsea won't win every game either, we have created the most chances this season and if it wasnt for our poor finishing we would be a lot higher, that however doesn't mean we can't get our shooting boots on, the arsenal game for example, Downing is looking a lot brighter, Henderson had a good game, Suarez is getting back to his slippery best and kuyt just runs and runs. We shouldn't give up as 2 arsenal losses and we can be 1 point off of them, we shouldn't give up hope. YNWA
Poki
Turn it in mate, we keep getting further away so why are we magically going to close the gap, we still have the same players, nothing has changed
Mate, stop staring at those tea leaves, you are confusing your own mind. Ten points off is a long way back. We will finish where we deserve to be 5th maybe 6th, our goal scoring is poor, and that will not improve in 10 or 11 games. 30 goals in 26 games is really p*ss poor.
Look at Arsenal. Every season they fall off in the last 10 or so games. Wait and see and judge us in May
BthekingB
Why are we always waiting for other teams to drop points it should be the other way around
04 Mar 2012 23:28:01
Not trying to suggest that we are 100% out of the race for 4th spot. However it seems unlikely we will make it. Since we are already in Europe for next season, do you think Kenny will play some of the younger players next season.
People have called for a new striker and new winger. Do you think we will give Raheem and Morgan a go soonish? The 2 could save the club a fair bit of money and if they have a good end to the season, then they could easily be part of the first team squad for next season.
Since there is a good chance Maxi and Kuyt will leave, only Henderson and Downing (possibly Bellamy) are players we have on the wing. And Henderson isnt actually a wide player. If we could have Downing, Raheem(or toni silva) Bellamy as part of the squad for next season, it would mean we probably only need to sign 1 wide player instead of 2 which may be the case of Sterling or Silva arent given a chance.
AZ
Dont worry you dont have to suggest we are 100% away from 4th, the players and manager are doing a bang up job at that