Liverpool Banter Archive July 05 2016

 

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05 Jul 2016 22:30:05
I think Firmino is buildiing a new house. Hence the timber.

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06 Jul 2016 01:20:42
Firminho is very happy for now renting Sturridges penthouse on top of the Unity Building.


06 Jul 2016 05:40:51
I'm sure sakho will be able to help him out ;)


05 Jul 2016 21:55:06
Hi ed002

I know that things are a little more out in the open in terms of transfers, but do you envisage another scenario like a few years back with the infamous Coates deal?

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, Klopp could buy rubbish we know nothing of.}

06 Jul 2016 06:44:27
He bought an immobile guy for striker, watya tink?


05 Jul 2016 22:01:17
Gotze people have contacted Liverpool over a potential move.

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05 Jul 2016 22:13:07
Can't see it happening, but Ed002 did say that Mane wasn't related to any interest in Goetze.


05 Jul 2016 22:24:12
Not getting my hopes up but if it happens. Maybe mane will not be the wide player maybe he will be a st . He said in his first interview he's a st and my jobs to score goals.


05 Jul 2016 22:37:15
Someone who has worked for Liverpool and still has good connections to the club has told me this.


05 Jul 2016 23:11:26
No they haven't but reports coming out of Germany is he's off to Dortmund, expect a press conference after the Euros.


06 Jul 2016 01:47:36
Rohan, is this twitter talk or your own scooped gossip?


05 Jul 2016 21:56:40
on my buddy's lfctv go account I peered my eyes towards the training of the earth 1 off team. what disappointed me the most was that none of those boyos out on the pitch (albeit a useless Melwood training pitch really that is a shambolic training facility) showed the speed force to which I have become so accustomed

In all seriousness though kiddos I really did find it a joke that the players were playing games such as head ball or something as apose to training, so much for those triple sessions I suppose we can kiss any hope of geggen press goodbye with this lot as there fitness levels will not be any where near the state required just look at fiminho he has become a true tubster. I suppose the boyo's could just feel they don't require anymore training however i will be therefore anticipating every shot going in, pass hitting its targets and quite simply win every game. Ultimately I put this shoddy training down to the new signing sadio mane it would seem his poor attitude, which we all knew of, has, already affected the rest of the squad at least I would recommend that klopp gives them a rollicking and tells the fellas to look at balotelli as an example to follow as he has a nice new hair due and scored three lovely goals he really means business and looks set on fulfilling his balloon door destiny I would go as far as to suggest he be made captain maybe than the rest of the players will follow suit.

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06 Jul 2016 01:27:16
just one comment. head ball is used to build team spirit when new players are involved and its fun, coaches have used it for years. can i ask if you have ever had DMT?


06 Jul 2016 01:49:53
Klopp talked of a hard pre season, he just got one of the best renowned football fitness coaches in Europe, yet you already think the training is not good enough based off a snippet you saw on lfctv? Very bad smarts or a very bad troll.


06 Jul 2016 04:35:32
Zoom is obviously being sarcastic. I found it funny. Bravo.


06 Jul 2016 04:57:58
Don't worry Zoom - at least SF and I detected the obvious sarcasm. Funny post mate.


06 Jul 2016 06:55:20
sarcasm is hard to read when the grammar is bad.


06 Jul 2016 07:41:21
And when the poster seems intent on pretending to be fictional characters for whatever weird reason.


06 Jul 2016 12:13:12
What Zoom isn't real? I have been watching and reading lies all my life! I can't wait to sit on Santa's knee at Xmas and tell him. May get a better present.


05 Jul 2016 20:36:29
My bad eds was meant to say if an offer came in for Lallana do you think with the current squad we could afford to let him go and re-invest the funds at LB i think the club has to look to experienced LB obvs i'm looking to Hector, Thoughts?

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{Ed002's Note - It is all whatif questions - I have no interest in such matters.}

05 Jul 2016 21:24:25
I don't think the club really need to sell to much to buy a left back. It is clearly a position that will be addresses weather anyone comes in with offers for our players or not. I myself would not be too quick to sell Lallana, he has quite a bit to offer, as a senior player now. There are others such as milner I would sell faster but as the eds have said. Nobody is untouchable in this squad. If an offer comes in the club feels is right they would be open for a sale.


05 Jul 2016 21:29:04
I would definitely. He is not first choice anymore and would definitely block Ojo's career.


05 Jul 2016 21:29:04
I would definitely. He is not first choice anymore and would definitely block Ojo's career.


05 Jul 2016 21:33:01
Surely there are other player who should be moved out before lallana . I think Klopp really rates him and can't see him moving this season .
Jamesee.


05 Jul 2016 22:31:36
It would be foolish to let Lallana go. He is a good player, just needs support and another season to work on his end product.


05 Jul 2016 23:24:11
Yeah, others should leave before Lallana imo but he is by no means indispensable. If the right offer comes the club would be foolish not to consider it given he is - form and injuries permitting - not looking like first choice at the minute. He does need to work on his end product, he seems to lose his head at crucial moments in attack, but he is a hard worker and maybe he can develop that side of his game. He's also not a player we'd necessarily have to replace externally, Harry brought up Ojo and we're yet to see how Markovic performs in preseason.


05 Jul 2016 23:56:36
Red win, Mane will force him to the bench on the right wing which leaves Lallana and Milner on the bench so what is he doing here on the bench with his stupid wages? He is not better than Coutinho and Firmino at the playmaker position nor is he a scorer like them so again, what is he doing here? Conclusion? There will be nothing foolish about letting a player so well paid yet so ineffective leave, my friend.


06 Jul 2016 01:32:03
Lallana doesn't have stupid wages, does he? Only little more than half what Benteke and Milner are on, I believe. I think it would be a ridiculous decision to sell Lallana for any less than we paid for him, when on form the la is a class act, and by all accounts a model professional, too.


06 Jul 2016 04:52:29
Lallana is a great squad player to have, I imagine if firmino coutinho and mane are all fit then lallana will be coming on for one of them during the match, or the striker if he puts firmino upfront.

Who do we play if one of coutinho firmino and mane are injured?

Who do we play against 'lesser' teams when one of firmino coutinho and mane need a rest?

Lallana does press from the front and I think he will be a great super sub next season, he can easily come on and affect a match with his fresh legs and his hardworking attitude.

He is experienced and if he took an extra hour a day after training and did some shooting practice I think he could really reach the next level.

Obviously, shouldn't forget that competition for places is a good thing.


05 Jul 2016 20:28:52
Evening Eds/ Reds

1st can i just say to our welsh reds good luck for tomorrow!

If the deals for Benteke, balo, skittle and the few others mentioned go through for the reported price (money i know) that's some nice business. If a nice offer came in for.

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05 Jul 2016 20:37:58
Can't be many Welsh reds though as they're all Evertonians, aren't they?


05 Jul 2016 21:46:16
Spot on Davey👍👍👍👍.


05 Jul 2016 21:47:25
Not all of us Dave. Tomorrow is my first away game since Basel so I hope it goes better than that! Then I'm driving all the way back in time from Lyon for the game at Tranmere.

YNWA - TogetherStronger.


05 Jul 2016 22:09:20
Good reds fans the Welsh

Good coach load from Bangor.


05 Jul 2016 23:49:58
My hometown (Bangor) great little city. Will u all be supporting Wales tomorrow? I'd love it if we made the final.


06 Jul 2016 10:55:53
A good coach load of us come from Caernarfon.


05 Jul 2016 19:33:17
Evening ed, s can I ask and this ain't a down beat question but except for mane are we going for low cut price players as this is all we seem to be doing.

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{Ed002's Note - The club will go for the players the manager and his team have decided they want. No doubt the club will consider the fans needs for the annual "marquee" signing (Carroll, Benteke, Balotelli etc.).}

05 Jul 2016 19:39:09
Cheers mate.


05 Jul 2016 19:47:46
Mane around 34 mill springs to mind?


05 Jul 2016 20:13:20
Billo.

There's an old Bootle proverb.

Don't always insist on shopping in Marksies to be seen carrying a branded bad, when the Aldi is just over the road.

I'll leave you with them wise words.


05 Jul 2016 20:20:02
Ed. is there a general price tag were it would be labelled as marquee?
For any club or would it change from club to club and fans expectations.

Many thanks.


05 Jul 2016 21:45:32
Get your clothes from anywhere but always get the best coat.

A finishing top wnd piece like mane does cost that bit more but building a unit for him to perform on doesn't have to cost rediculous money.

Yes we jbow how leicster did it with hardy and mahrez cheap aswel but there easily 20 million pound players.

So if you count them as the icing and cherry, the rest (good players) but there the cake the workers.

Fuchs free Morgan a mil I think, Simpson, huth, drinkwater, kante, albrighton, mahrez what 20/ 30 mil.

Karius, clyne, lovren, matip, chilwell, Henderson, can, coutinho, origi 70/ 80 mil which is a lot but not considering pogba could go for 100 mil. Yeah then put mane on the top if that.


06 Jul 2016 04:35:01
Quality rarely comes cheaply though.


05 Jul 2016 19:25:46
Away from the whole transfer world eds, are you looking forward to our new main stand opening?

I think it'll be brilliant! Especially on night games, flood lights lit up etc.

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{Ed002's Note - It will be safe and functional - but it will never be an attractive stadium as there are too many constraints of location etc..}

05 Jul 2016 19:38:39
Attractive doesn't always mean great atmosphere or success on the pitch either. I like that we are building onto our historic Anfield ground for now instead of building a new one.
Take the Emirates for example, Arden fans still haven't made it their own yet. An attractive stadium but their best days were in the old Highbury.


{Ed002's Note - A very good example. My experience is that fans always have a soft spot for the stadium they grew up with.}

05 Jul 2016 19:43:21
Yeh I agree, new stadiums lack the passion and emotion old stadiums have. I actually like the fact none of the stands are identical, personally I think it shows Liverpools development over the years, can't wait to see it.


05 Jul 2016 19:43:23
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Some would say that the Mona Lisa is not classically beautiful.

For me Anfield Is simply wonderful and on European nights there is no where better on planet Earth.


05 Jul 2016 19:53:57
Yes that is true, so many memories for people. I wonder how West Ham will find their move to the Olympic Stadium.


05 Jul 2016 20:31:01
Cheap, given how much the taxpayer has put into the stadium. It's a disgrace really, just shows what having a cheerleader for the government on the Board gets you.


05 Jul 2016 21:12:25
I personally cannot remember too many wonderful nights at Upton Park, King 😊.


05 Jul 2016 22:40:35
Looks ace, stands proud high in liverpool skyline from my side of the river. Can't wait to see it open, the old stadiums are the best. Closely packed in and he can hear the crowd loud in all its glory.


06 Jul 2016 01:51:15
I don't think the 'Arsenalisation' at the Emirates has been a resounding success.


06 Jul 2016 01:52:45
Ed, Anfield is one of the most famous stadiums in the world, of course it's attractive ;)


05 Jul 2016 19:17:40
I haven't thought the logistics out fully, but, what if all premier leauge sides has a B side that played in a B league.
Now I know we have the reserves or under 23s, but what if we have a propper league with real benifits? Like the top team there earns a place in the following years premier league?
This would push the players that are on the fringe. With the top team getting into premier league, but the rest of the team's players would surely get noticed more.
Now I know that's what 1st division does, but, 1st division isn't made up of premier league border line players or young up coming tallent.
Players that are young feel they should get a chance, but how are they to displace 1st team players if they haven't played much competitive football?
This may seem like a silly idea seeing that there are lower leagues etc, but before I get any abuse, read what I said openly.
A league with the likes of Ojo, Ibe, and all the young promising players, but playing for promotion 1st, and getting noticed on the way.

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05 Jul 2016 20:06:17
I like the idea but in reality i think it would be very difficult to implement. Many people have suggested than while the loan system has had its successes, it can quite often lead to young players' careers stagnating. So a new league involving playing at as similar a level to the PL as possible with so called B teams could be immensely beneficial.

I think the main issue with your idea is that it undermines the division system if the league winner suddenly gets promoted to the prem. As a new league suddenly appears with a direct route straight into the pl, that all the other English teams outside the Prem don't have.

In my opinion, if B teams were to somehow exist, unless the league you suggested offered a victory prize of something like a place in the Europa League, then the B teams would have to be integrated into the current league system similar to that of Barcelona and Real's B sides who can never be promoted to La Liga. This in itself causes a whole host of issues as what league do they get placed in? and what benefit would be being placed in league 2 be for intended future PL players?

The issue i believe that makes it hard to comprehend, is what really is the difference of this B team league to the likes of the U21's? a standard often considered not quite good enough for players just in-between first team and youth level.

Hopefully I've not babbled on, Cheers.


05 Jul 2016 20:22:12
Everyday on the training pitch. Prove your worth there is say?


05 Jul 2016 17:55:22
Questions fellow reds.
About the much maligned Balotelli. It's clear there's not many interested parties about and with his recent comments to the media it seems he wants to prove himself (AGAIN) *eyesroll* so we're probably going to have to put him in the shop window and play him most of the preseason games.
Here's my question:
Let's say he performs amazingly well and scores close to a goal a game or so and it seems as if he's got he's touch back and Klopp has put him on the right track. Would you keep him and say he's earned the right to keep the form up going into the new season or cash in?
Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - This cliched "shop window" doesn't exist - and even Klopp is not stupid enough to use training matches (which pre-season games are) for anything other than working with the squad. They want him sold and his agent knows that.}

05 Jul 2016 18:13:41
So ed it's safe to assume we won't see Balotelli kicking a ball for Liverpool again?


{Ed002's Note - This sort of idioc post is what makes me think that it is not worth bothering telling you about interest in players to you.}

05 Jul 2016 18:21:20
Okay then ed. Love you too :)


05 Jul 2016 17:24:24
Hey ed001, been meaning to ask since I read about your illness and need for sun, if you ever decide to visit Cyprus, give me a shout for a meet and drink and eat! Same goes goes for anyone who decides to visit!

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{Ed001's Note - if I ever get the chance I will make sure to do that. Would love to visit there, I have heard it is beautiful

05 Jul 2016 17:45:35
Add Taiwan to that list - any reds on here just happen to head over (and I know the chances are slim) then let me know and I'll make your stay a good 'un - will ever sort you a spare room if you need one!


05 Jul 2016 18:00:51
Where abouts do you live? I spent 5 years in Cyprus.


05 Jul 2016 18:01:25
If this keeps on going, Ed001 will become the gentleman traveler not ed002! And you heard right ed001, great food and great beaches!


{Ed001's Note - I wish! I would love to travel more.}

05 Jul 2016 18:16:45
add Wales to that list to😄.


05 Jul 2016 18:27:51
Indeed.

Loads of Caravans, sheep and a stretch of the Menai Straits enriched with radiation. 😉.


05 Jul 2016 18:29:12
I'm in Nicosia muscatred.


05 Jul 2016 18:33:12
Add Mumbai if you enjoy constant rain and no frigging sun for three months 😑.


05 Jul 2016 19:09:26
I would say Dartford but it's terrible here Ed. 😉.


05 Jul 2016 19:22:22
I spent my time in Dhekelia and Episkopi with the army, didn't spend much time in Nicosia. Find memories though.


05 Jul 2016 19:39:09
you were near to all the good attractions then, right musca?!


05 Jul 2016 21:30:13
Steph, muscatred I was based in Dhekelia too. Lived there 94-96 and 99-2002 with the Royal Engineers. Love Cyprus and love to go back, fantastic place.

Baz.


05 Jul 2016 21:30:13
Steph, muscatred I was based in Dhekelia too. Lived there 94-96 and 99-2002 with the Royal Engineers. Love Cyprus and love to go back, fantastic place.

Baz.


05 Jul 2016 21:47:44
If all you reds want to hide your taxes, then my house on the Isle of Man is always an option.


05 Jul 2016 22:57:21
Baz, I was in Dhekelia 2004-6.


05 Jul 2016 22:10:34
I lived in Limassol for 2 years . Loved cypress . Beautiful place .
Jamesee.


05 Jul 2016 17:29:31
Eds .....

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{Ed002's Note - Can you stop these constant posts asking for hour by hour updates and posts on the same subject or we will remove you. They are tedious and wasting my time.}

05 Jul 2016 17:50:32
Right ok. Fair enough. Sorry.


{Ed002's Note - Thanks for understanding.}

05 Jul 2016 14:46:30
For some friendly banter.

Do you folks think that the EPL will generally be more competitive now with the new TV money coming in, as every club has the capability to get 'good enough' players. Also, the marginal improvement in skill at the top dollar may not create as much difference as good tactics, team spirit and some good old luck.

Leicester winning last season was a solid example of a situation where not only did leicester overperform, but all of the regular 'champion' teams underperformed.

Do you see this as a one-off, or something that will continue happening with the gap between top and bottom getting closer?

I for one feel that this is going to be the new EPL, similar to the UCL - where you don't see the same 3-4 teams win it every season (of course it being a cup tournament helps) .

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05 Jul 2016 17:07:33
Leicester were very lucky as they had almost all of their competitors implode in one way or another.


05 Jul 2016 17:36:22
Lucky for me is winning a single game by an offside goal. Over 38 games there is no such thing as luck. Luck can play a minor part, but it's a tad unfair to put the whole title win down to luck.

Up until recently I believed they had been lucky with injuries, but one of the editors then mentioned that Leicester's recruitment team actually take players injury records under serious consideration before signing them. IE, they specifically target players who historically don't get injured. Credit to them for making such a bold decision as it is seemingly a foolish way to pick players. However consistently being able to field the same 11 players almost every week resulted in them gelling into such a good team, that the individual quality of their team was almost irrelevant. Who ever thought Danny Simpson and Marc Albrighton would win the Premier League!


05 Jul 2016 17:59:51
The big question, was last season an aberration or a sign of things to come? Next season will probably answer this but it's more fun to speculate. I think last year was the result of the big clubs being complacent. Huge amounts of money has been wasted on poor transfers, uninspired managers have failed to get the best of their teams and the conditions had been set for someone else to take advantage. Leicester's achievement was amazing but 81 points is a very low score to win the title with I can't see them repeating their trick.

My thoughts - Utd, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool will be the top 5 but I'm not saying what the order will be.


05 Jul 2016 18:27:08
If Leicester get Musa and a few others then they are stronger than last year so why should they suddenly dissapaear? Tottenham have poch so there's not worries for them.

Cirt and united obv be stronger. Think conte will cock up his first season personally. West game will be stronger, then there's Everton with a hundred odd mil.

Liverpool if they have targets need to get them in because my feelings on next year will be who gets the best preseason in and who makes the best start.

There's no top 4 if we don't have 12 points from the first 5 games in afraid.

Si. ply because there will be to many teams to catch

Get a cracking start and momentum and we will have a great season. We really can't afford to be playing catch up next season.


05 Jul 2016 19:33:02
Leicester won't have Kante next season and we will see how they defend the title.


05 Jul 2016 20:29:10
But didn't u say 75% of depays shots were lucky MK?
Going by your own logic, one shot that should of been saved is lucky but 25+?

Only jostling ya mate.


05 Jul 2016 21:27:46
Leicester also have European games to contend with for the first time, that could take a bit off them.


05 Jul 2016 21:27:46
Leicester also have European games to contend with for the first time, that could take a bit off them.


05 Jul 2016 21:30:12
Very good Chris ;) been watching my posts like a hawk haven't you :P I suppose lucky was the wrong word regarding Depay's goals. I would've been better placed to just say his goal tally benefitted from the poor goalkeeping in Dutch football.

Touché though Chris, Touché.


05 Jul 2016 21:30:12
Very good Chris ;) been watching my posts like a hawk haven't you :P I suppose lucky was the wrong word regarding Depay's goals. I would've been better placed to just say his goal tally benefitted from the poor goalkeeping in Dutch football.

Touché though Chris, Touché.


05 Jul 2016 12:16:32
Hi do you know how close to fitness Gomez is? If he is fit will he be likely used as a first team player giving competition to Moreno and therefore mean Liverpool are less likely to buy an experienced full back? Or is he likely to go on loan and develop as a centre half?

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05 Jul 2016 12:35:11
Expecting big things from Gomez, the lad looked a class act.


05 Jul 2016 12:47:24
Use the search engine bud and all the info you require will be found.
Try searching Square tomato.


05 Jul 2016 12:47:30
I believe he's expected to be used as cover for CB (currently we only have 3 senior including Sakho)


05 Jul 2016 21:03:28
With matip and Or Gomez we would be able to play a high line as they are both fast centre backs. I would like to see Gomez given a chance at Lb even though he is a centre back naturally. I think he'd be better than Moreno and would develop quicker getting game time than sat on the bench.

Although I think we would all prefer an experienced left back who can actually defend well on the deck and in the air.


05 Jul 2016 12:14:48
Only way we are getting near the league in years to come is a rich billionaire uncle to arrive in and do a man city on us. this is what a Liverpool supporting friend of mine stated. what do we all think. with some of the signings other teams are making it could seem he is right!

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05 Jul 2016 12:23:51
You'll need to ask your friend who won the league last season, and how much they spent in comparison to the "big spenders".

Money isn't as important as a good scouting network, a good team of coaches, and a strong team spirit.


05 Jul 2016 12:38:23
I would be in the same mind frame as you Rugby, and when I put a similar point to him he stated even more so we will need the money now as the big spenders won't let this happen again! I honestly think we will be fine this year may not win it but defs be a lot closer to what we have been. I have belief in the staff and hopefully we will get a gem in the new signings that will help us get to the level we want.


05 Jul 2016 12:56:08
We have enough talent in the squad now if we are patient enough to watch it develop, and we also happen to spend enough to win the league if we are smart enough, and patient enough to set a plan over 2-3 years and spend it more wisely than we have done in the past.


05 Jul 2016 14:32:47
I just think it's sad that fans are deluded into believing the hype.
I think I'm right in saying we are subject to FFP rules so rich billionaire or zillionaire we are restricted in our spending.
Our owners, collectively, are rich and are generous with their investment.

I'd say to your mate, keep the faith, Klopp knows what he's doing, he took on mega-spending Bayern and toppled them. Instead of looking for rich donors we need to grow the club commercially and financially, we need to optimise key staff (Klopp, coaches, medical and scouting) . Let's see where that gets us and then worry about how much we spend.


05 Jul 2016 14:49:08
The transfer window has just started and we have already spent more than or equal to each of city, Chelsea, arsenal, united, Tottenham, Everton west ham etc etc. Btw our owners are billionaires I guess. The club has never been short on money. Owners have thrown money whenever required. It is not availability of funds, it is ffp that screws us. We spend millions winning absolutely nothing so there is no recovery of funds to balance the books.


05 Jul 2016 11:34:35
Ok, This post might not be for the TRUST THE MANAGER section, I would rather people who has a decent view on over all.

It's no secret we are in for One Central Midfielder and the club has been tracking Zielinksi for a while.

Now coming to the actual point. What is the drastic difference between Zielinski and Grujic / Milner. I don't see any. Grujic looks a solid B2B player unproven and in tested in the league. Someone very offensive and would play higher up, precisely linking the midfield with attackers.

Zielinksi is pretty much the same payed as much as I have seen of him. Short passes and very direct to the next player.

Y do you think we should be looking at the same player over and over again?

I don't think both Zielinksi and Grujic on the pitch at the same time as both offers pretty much the same of course unless you deploy one of them to a different role which is quite stupid or known as Brendan.

I am not going to compare both players and that would be stupid in the first place, But it's even more stupid to buy same type of player ( or who offers the same thing on the pitch )

Verdict : There exist no shortage of Offensive players including Brannagan ( everyone loves to go forward ), Could we finally buy someone to play the deeper role ( either you call him a DM or a classy DLP )

Thanks for the read and I would love to hear from Real people.

Cheers.

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05 Jul 2016 12:01:23
I think it depends on the tactics Klopp wishes to use.
It's not mandatory to have someone specifically assigned to DM (etc) .
We have some versatile players at the club, perhaps if Klopp wants to use the DM tactic then he could use Lucas or Matip there.


05 Jul 2016 12:29:01
Real people? I best not comment then as I am clearly imaginary.


05 Jul 2016 14:18:11
Harry, in Klopp's opinion Zielinski is one of three things; a potential first team player who will improve the current team, a player who is prepared to be backup who is an improvement on our current back ups or a player that's available who can fill the hole left by a player expected to depart. We won't know which it is until the season starts (assuming we buy him of course) . If it's the first two then Klopp disagrees with you that he offers nothing that we don't already have. If it's the latter then it's a reflection on the club's ability to bring in talent (or lack of it) .

Whichever it is we won't know until the season starts if he's good enough or not so let's just wait before deciding it's a pointless purchase.


05 Jul 2016 14:27:04
I said at the start of the summer we didn't need midfielders and YOU were the main person to lead a Kovacic inspired campaign against me Harry ;)

Good post though tbh mate. Unless Klopp is planning on going to a 3 man midfield, the Zielinski signing seems unnecessary to me. However if Klopp wants the player he clearly has a vision or plan for him at the club so I hope we get him.

It's very easy for people who think he is similar to what we have or the wrong kind of player to say "we don't need him". But we have absolutely no idea what Klopps plans are for Zielinski or even the team for that matter. So how can we accurately make such statements?

For all we know he wants to sell Allen, Milner, Henderson, Can and Lucas and play a diamond midfield which will allow him to bring in Zielinski, Grujic and Dahoud! Unlikely but we are merely guessing the clubs plans.

All I am hoping for is that the club is backing Klopp. I will give my opinions on players we are interested in signing, but it is always worth considering that Klopp will undoubtedly see things slightly differently and have a much clearer idea as to how we will line up next season.


05 Jul 2016 15:10:56
Well said muscatred.


05 Jul 2016 15:14:20
Well put, might I also add that every player will add something different, question is that will be a positive or neg? He is a player our manager seems keen on that alone should be reason for us to think he knows what he wants from him. I would hate for us to destroy yet another talented player.


05 Jul 2016 17:10:56
Ed001 said a little while ago we needed a spoiler in midfield, something that we do not have at the moment, we need one to be able to close off games and dominate midfield. Something that we haven't been able to do effectively.


05 Jul 2016 17:37:42
Ed001 has pointed out that if the midfielders do their job there is no need to have a man taken out the game solely to defend in midfield. Unlike the misconception, kante was actually a very good catalyst for attack as well as an excellent defender as was alonso for us etc.

Yes the players are offensive primarily but under klopp the whole team defends and they also attack as a team. We lacked energy, pace and intelligence in the middle toward the back end of the season and i imagine klopp is trying to remedy this.

Its also not just about the first 11, when we looked to freshen up midfield last season our only viable option was lucas who lacks pace, joe pirlo whole lacks direction or james milner who lacks everything it takes to play in the middle. All i'm saying is its a squad game and we need options. Yes we have stewart and branagan but we have seen how they have been dominated when playing against teams in the bottom half who just bully them.

Time will tell as to whether grugic of kielinski will be good or not and my expectations are realistic enough to know we will not be buying the kantes and pogbas of this world. i'm also wise enough to know that the pogbas and kantes did not descend the womb as great players, they worked and developed themselves and became great by being given a chance by someone.


05 Jul 2016 19:27:57
We have to look in which direction the game plan is going. If we going to have more defensive full backs, then a deep lying/ defensive mid may not be needed.
2 mids may get over run if they play a full 90 minutes, so chances are, he's buying a mid to be on the bench and subbed in for 1 of Can or Henderson, remember higher tempo closing down opposition.


05 Jul 2016 18:37:19
MK

Kovacic is a different player to both Zielinksi and Grujic. I have given my verdict to try and look out for a player who has been playing in s position which would improve us or something we are short of quality. I would defo want a CM but let's not do the same mistake we did last season in buying Milner and ending up in no mans land.

Thanks.


05 Jul 2016 11:18:42
Those quotes came out on 28th June prior to the latest reports of buds from Crystal Palace. Plus his agent is not going to come out and say that he's angling for move away.

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05 Jul 2016 11:42:58
And that makes the news even more believable.


05 Jul 2016 13:39:30
Ear or Rose bud's?


05 Jul 2016 15:10:40
Cotton.


05 Jul 2016 11:15:54
thanks ed002 for your reply. another player who is being touted is this guy Domenico Berardi do you no anything of a move to lfc
He’s an excellent attacking talent known for this thunderous left foot. He is considerably quick and has great control on the ball. He is a versatile forward and can play in any position up front on the wings and even as a striker.

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{Ed002's Note - Sounds like Twitter - just a random name for Liverpool.}

05 Jul 2016 10:41:06
leicester just showed a video on Twitter. Small interview with Chilwell who has reported back for preseason training. Looks like he's recovered from his injury.

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05 Jul 2016 10:33:22
I am not a football expert or nothing, but I honestly believe Ibe would perform better running thru the middle, especially with his willingness to take on defenders (howbeit not always successfully now, but it can be worked on), strength bullying, and decent shot.

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05 Jul 2016 12:03:47
He's a winger, and a confused one at the moment, he needs to get consistent and reliable. He appears to be infected by the Sturridge bug of not able to taking the simpler and quicker option.

Ojo is good a better prospect.


05 Jul 2016 12:06:28
I kind of see what you are saying and I have thought about it before too.

Thing is

1) Does he play behind the striker in the middle? If so there is a problem in that his understanding of the game is not yet strong enough and making the wrong decisions in the middle is always more dangerous than doing the same on the wing. Benefit is he becomes unpredicatable and has the options to go left and right.

2) Does he play as a striker? If so the problem is that his off the ball movement is quite weak based on what we see from him in a wide area and I could see him trying to constantly come deep to pick the ball up. Benefit is there will be space behind a back line and if he can master that movement he's be fantastic as he's quite a good finisher.


05 Jul 2016 12:59:34
His passing and decision making isn't good enough to take midfield away from Firmino and a host of other candidates that can play there.


05 Jul 2016 15:18:01
Kid is in bad space, seems he wants to get it right . I just feel at diffrent team with less attention on it he would strive. Fans, media and his own co players seem to expect too much from him.


05 Jul 2016 15:49:03
Behind the striker AZ, drawing defenders and creating room for the nine.


05 Jul 2016 16:09:30
He is yet to impress me that much but at the same time everyone needs to give the lad a break. Stop the constant talking about him and don't just write him off because he didn't perform to what was expected last season. Any one can lose confidence, look at hazard last year. A good pre season and a bit of support and I be may start to develop into a decent player.


05 Jul 2016 17:52:08
He just hasn't managed to pull it together though. I like the lad but he put in numerous underwhelming performances and he was given chances last season - his decision making is very suspect and his ability to really take a man on and cross is almost nonexistent. I don't want to say it as I thought he would breakthrough but he just doesn't look good enough - he hasn't progressed at all since the same stage last season and if anything he has regressed. Think he needs to move on, for his own benefit. It's a pity because as a person and a professional he is fine.


05 Jul 2016 09:58:11
Eds is Lucas now looking likely to leave this summer?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not going to try and answer "likely" questions.}

05 Jul 2016 15:50:10
Lucas needs to go for the sake of his career, there are multiple players ahead of him and we are looking at bringing in two more midfielders.


05 Jul 2016 08:10:55
Have this strange feeling that Mane fee will be worth every penny!

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05 Jul 2016 09:12:40
Hope your right mandzo, although I'm not really bothered by the fee just that he performs to what we know he's capable of and that he sorts his attitude out 👍.


05 Jul 2016 16:11:19
Same as above. The fee isn't all that relevant. Thankfully he isn't English so the media might not go on and on about him costing so much.


05 Jul 2016 05:26:56
ed001 do you think chillwel can displace moreno. if signed offcourse.

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{Ed001's Note - yes, without a doubt.}

05 Jul 2016 07:17:34
Noy too hard to dislodge Moreno. Alk you need is a functioning brain that doesn't freeze on you, making you make stupid mistakes and rash challenges onnthe pitch.


05 Jul 2016 07:29:50
If it is who Klopp wants, he will be brought in to dislodge Moreno for sure. Whether or not he succeeds, we will have to wait and see. I think it is along the lines of the Karius signing - if they can adjust quickly, they will dislodge the current starters. If they need time, we are no worse off using what we already have.


05 Jul 2016 09:06:19
Think I 2 would do a better job the Alberto even though a right footed and not that fast lol.


05 Jul 2016 15:26:52
I hope he doesn't replace Moreno in being "Klopp's rage outlet". 😄
Last season Klopp would frequently go absolutely ape at Moreno.


05 Jul 2016 02:01:38
Hello eds. I see posters referring to Henderson having been injured and how, when healthy, he is a step above what we have. Is his injury one that can or has healed? I thought it would not be better or at least pain free until it ruptured. If that is the case what can we expect from him this season?

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{Ed001's Note - it should be healed now it has ruptured.}

 
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