Liverpool Banter Archive January 05 2013
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05 Jan 2013 22:33:17
Gulliem balague says higuain and negredo available. Navas will be available why dont we scout spain? Negredo 15m pounds? We paid sturridhe £12.5 mmmmmmmm? Full spain international or player struggles to get into england squad only f****** liverpool my god!
Negredo has no pace and can only playthrough the middle
mayhem 1981
These players won't suit the style of play, as they are out and out strikers. Navas is not gonna come cheap, therefore, Sturridge is probably a good signing. What if Sturridge starts scoring goals for fun? Give the guy a chance!
Piledriver
Your a joke
Negredo looked terrible when he played in the euros.
g-doo
Have you seen Negredo play?
He makes Carroll look like a 35m pound player
I am so sick of all the clueless posts on here... Navas, really? Is he available? Is this the same Jesus Navas that is so homesick that he can only barely represent his country away from home? Sturridge is a Liverpool player. Support!
Learn your players before you start throwing around names. Navas gets home sick on away games. He had to see a shrink for weeks to get ready to play in the WC. I don't see him ever leaving Sevilla let alone spain. Kid has chronic homesickness
Andrew
Here's a bit of old news for you - Jesús Navas get's homesick - won't leave Spain
Navas? He's not going anywhere!
05 Jan 2013 22:37:55
Not really a rumour but opinion. i'm glad we missed out on holtby. we have sooo much potential in our team but now we need experienced players. udinese's natale and fernando llorente are prime examples. won't cost much but need to win the next couple of games (manu, city, arsenal n norwich)and convince them to join us. Hope BR reads this post
SaVioR
You've got to be joking. FSG are just like those Companies who like to employ kids on minimum wage and dump them when they turn 18. They want to employ young players on the cheap and won't pay a man's wage.
No chance of Di Natale or Llorente. FSG won't sign an experienced player who will command top dollar.
redmersey
I'll be sure to send a note off to Suarez, Carra, Gerrard, etc. and let them know that 5M+ per year isn't a "man's wage".
Think a name change required - try Blue Mersey - it may definitely be more appropriate with your attitude towards the people who saved us from administration.
Redmersey. Are you actually aware of who Di Natale is? Yes he's a wonderful player, and has been for a long long time. But, therein lies the problem, he's old
Redmersey, I think you are forgetting Bellamy was signed at 31 years of age.
05 Jan 2013 22:34:02
Question for anyone who can help me understand. Read a article that ince was close to signing for Liverpool, but it said that Man U had an interest in the player too, it also said because of liverpools interest man u wouldn't pursue the player and give Liverpool the inside running. Why would Man U step aside? I believe in BR and his signings so will back sturidge and who ever else he brings in. Thanks eds and reds. Tilwud
05 Jan 2013 23:20:15
Because LIVERPOOL is small club now, please do not look the History you want benefit, look present.
The article said Man U dropped their interest so now the path is clear for Liverpool! thats y i tell kids dont skip school, atleast u will learn to read n write properly! but i guess its too late to say that to u
Coming from someone who abreviates three letter words.
I wouldn't be schooling anyone if I was you.
Kopping a feel
That a funny comment to make, I didn't know in school they taught you to text write like your doing, and you are having a go at tilwud. You have just made my day.
Appreciate you clearing that up, you are correct I didn't read it correctly. Hope I didn't upset your day too much. Thanks Tilwud.
Before KD signed Charlie Adam - Fergie said he was worth his fee just for his corners - be careful of Alex Bolix
05 Jan 2013 22:25:48
I am most definitely happy with Sturridge and hopefully Ince this window
05 Jan 2013 22:23:19
Celtic fan here follow liverpool in epl. I seriously think if Liverpool where to challenge for the title they'd have to sign higuian play four three three Suarez Sturridge and him upfront Enrique and Johnson fullbacks agger skrtel cb's sterling on the left Gerard centre and shelvy right midfield
05 Jan 2013 22:21:42
Eds I think sturidge is going to be our only signing for this window, fans are just going to keep waiting and getting there hopes up with these false rumours.with borini coming back it gives us more options in the front three and br knows this.
05 Jan 2013 22:19:57
How can we fork out 12 milllion for sturridge and not give the manager 16 million for a top international goal scorer like david villa .we are obviously interested in him otherwise we wouldnt have tried to get him on loan .for god sake why dont the owners open their wallet..they talk of trying to take man utd on but arnt prepared to back the manager with some decent money.then we hear Arsenal are trying to get him .whats goin on do they want to make us into contenders or what.if theyre not serious about getting us back to greatness then sell to someone whos prepared to put their money where their mouth is.seems that these owners are only bothered by what happens their side of the pond.enoughs enough. From loyal liverpool fan who wants to see my team where they belong..........
Loyal? Don't make me laugh ha ha ha
JJ
Unfortunately we r were we belong ryt now man. our club is the worst run organisation since Rick Parry or whatever his name was. to be successful, one has to have passion, drive, ambition and common sense. unfortunately i cant see any of that in our senior management. there is no stability and we r fitting square pegs in round holes(like ian ayre who is a commercial man given MD role which is very different). look at spurs and daniel levy(shrewd *******) they should be a benchmark for us. whoever says sugar daddy is need for short term success just needs to watch them. they havent got any sugar daddies, they hv a very ambitious core in managemnt. we hv spent more money than them n by a far margin but their squad looks very very strong.
Transfer fees are only a small % of any deal. Sturridge has a decade of football infront of him rather than 2-3 years max.
He's also on about half the wages Villa would demand. Lets not forget a couple of years ago Villa slated Liverpool for "holding Torres back"
Truth is the owners are streamlining the business. Turning it in to a money making machine. They will hold back until the financial fair play rules are implemented or crash and burn.
If they are implemented they will press on with developing the club and ground. If they crash and burn they will sell up doubling their money.
Liverpool Cabbie
£16 mill for a guy who is 31, and who was in the press telling Torres to leave LFC throughout his time with us. Leave him in the Barca reserves.
Po
06 Jan 2013 13:41:40
@JJ - he said he is loyal, not an a***killer! loyal doesn't always have to agree!
05 Jan 2013 22:19:08
We're is the 'Greetz' guy? No announcement on Gameiro mate.
F5
Yeah, agree mate, greets was talking bull.
Did you believe it would come? I have been watching that space all day long :P
05 Jan 2013 22:09:25
Don't know if anyone else shares these views on Ince but..... If he signs then, yeah good gives us even more depth and ill completely support him but if he doesn't I couldn't care less -HullRED
When Ince was playing in the reserves before he left, I think he hindered the progress of Suso.
Ince is such a strong character and wanted to take all the free kicks, corners and throw ins that Suso went into his shell.
I'm not sure signing him back would be a good idea, especially with his pushy dad in tow.
redmersey
I could care less, if I tried, but I see where you're coming from ;)
05 Jan 2013 22:07:49
ive seen that Spurs are planning to put a 15 million bid in for Leandro Damiao. They're getting Holtby for free in summer, they're building a strong team, great buisness by Daniel Levy. We need to step up or they will be getting top 4 before us.
Our owners just don't seem to grasp the football business at all.
Time to sell up and move on FSG, your ambition is matched by your limited cheque book.
Spending more than you can afford is an awesome recipe for success. Would like to come round and manage my finances?
You stupid person, we've spent far more money than spurs have!
'Free' does not necessarily mean free. There are signing on fees, agent fees, tax on some of the above, plus wages.
If you want a perfect example - look at Joe Cole - signed on a 'free' and years later still costing us money.
05 Jan 2013 22:03:54
A twitter account with is ITK and has inside connections has said Kalou could be on his way to the prem again. Either its us or West Ham going for him. Hopefuly West Ham.
If it's not West Ham, we're in more dire straights than I thought we were.
redmersey
05 Jan 2013 21:58:59
When Rodgers starts moaning about lack of transfer funds then I'll start to question FSG. He hasn't yet, so he must be on board with the plan.
In the current market you over pay for established world class players and most of them want CL football. We can't offer that so we have to buy young potential and develop them into better players.
We'd be wasting money on players if it were up to most fans. We're taking the Wenger approach to buying players. It's the only sensible strategy.
M. Aurelius
So heung min son, draxler clasie maher aubameyang bony mertens holtby
all available at reasonable prices arent on our radar
no one is asking for higuain or messi or falcao. we just want talented young footballers who are hungry to play and win
Although i kind of agree the 'Wenger' approach has led to 7 possibly 8 seasons of trophyless football and their stars all leaving for pastures new.
The only time Wenger had success was when there was a wave of top French talent of which he had good knowledge of and wasn't afraid to spend a few bob (at the time) on players in general.
I think the Reyes farce was what changed Wenger maybe in the same way the Carrol deal has for us.
So we've bought talented, young footballers hungry for success, and you come up with a list of more talented, young footballers hungry for success and moaned that we picked the wrong ones?
No pleasing some people ...
Why would BR complain he has spent the following:
Sturridge 12 mil
Borini 10 m
Allen 15 m
Assadi 2.5 m
40 million or round abouts plus 140 million last year, stop going on FSG are crap, we are building making long term signings for the style we play, I give it 3 years we will be challenging for titles then we will see!!and please every one stop slagging sturridge he's going to be a great buy
05 Jan 2013 21:52:03
Hi eds and reds. Does anyone know! Could a team, say man city, get sponsered by one of the owners companies and charge an obscene amount of money as a way around these financial fair play regulations? Thanks
Cudge {Ed002's Note - No.}
They are already indirectly through Edihad. {Ed002's Note - No. You really need to read up on how it works.}
Didn't Man City get £300m or £400m from one of the Arab airlines? And it was a relative or a company owned by the owners of Man City? Also, that airline was making a loss, yet could still give Man City 100's of millions {Ed002's Note - You need to understand how the rules will work. Try searching the site for FFPR.}
Man City and PSG have both signed massive naming rights deals in an attempt to by-pass the financial fair play rules.
However the rules state any such deals need to represent "true value". This is where the problem lies. How can anyone decide what represents "true value".
It's a legal time bomb ticking away. Only time will tell how/if and to whom EUFA and FIFA enforce the new rules and indeed who decides "true value".
Liverpool Cabbie {Ed002's Note - This is being addressed as has been explained in some detail already. Try search for FFPR.}
I know how the rules work. I was merely remembering a news story from last year about the Man City sponsorship
05 Jan 2013 21:48:45
Gotta say I feel sorry for West Ham, they had United on the back foot almost entirely through that second half. Today demonstrated that a solid understanding has to be in place between the DM and the back line for when they counter, which tbf they're awesome at doing. So glad we've got Lucas back. If we can contain RVP and press them in the middle of the field then we're in with a real shot. Suarez could run rings around their defense, we've just gotta make sure he gets the delivery. I'm glad we've signed Sturridge, I think he could pose a real threat along with Luis up front. Would absolutely love to see us beat them on their home turf - it'd not only send a message of intent from LFC, help us move further up the table, but would also close the gap up at the top. What do you guys reckon?
JFT 96
JP
Id do a backflip maybe 2
U r dreaming ryt! if they do the same on Suarez i kno we definitely wont win! they still will hv chicarito, who do we have!
05 Jan 2013 21:48:02
Went to the aldershot v Rotherham game today Adam Morgan played the second 45 mins, very sharp good movement and nearly scored.
05 Jan 2013 21:45:49
Great site but please all these people saying we need to sign Higuain, Villa, Sneider etc. please give up. Liverpoolfc transfer policy clearly doesn't run to paying millions on players that are either ageing and not getting in there respective club sides, greedy and are more concerned about weekly wage over actually playing football or lastly players that are only actually any good on "football manager". Liverpoolfc policy is, I believe, the correct one and we are obviously not going to sign any big time Charlie's on huge wages just to appease some uneducated fans.
Not only this Liverpool are not currently an attractive enough proposition for this huge names as we are not in CL and don't have an oligarch or oil baron who can fund such ludicrous wage demands. I for one wholeheartedly agree with everything fish are doing and I am certain it is the only way to secure the longevity of LFC.
YNWA. Here endeth the lesson.
Agree with everything but the fish part.
05 Jan 2013 21:44:47
Really looking foward to next 4 games ( as well as cup tomorrow)
Man u, Norwich(H), Arsenal, Man City.
Only got win at Norwich and Draw City We play all 3 big teams away from home as well. Will be very interesting on how much we have moved on !
John A
Man U - Lost - they always get the decions and score last minute
Norwich - Win - should be a comfortable home win
Arsenal - Win - should be agood game who ever keeps possesion will win
M. Cty - Draw - really do fancy our chance but will go for a draw
7pts from 12pts is good considering we playing 3 of the top 5.
BigD
In your dreams! i thnk 4 points out of 12 is realistic! by the time arsenal game comes they might even have david villa in attack! will b lucky to get a draw! win v norwich n 2 losses! thats our reality! y dont turn up at old traffor or etihad and expect a win!
05 Jan 2013 21:21:57
I think we have to remember this about Sturridge. In a stretch from his loan at Bolton through December 2011 he scored 17 Premier League goals in 24 appearances. Thats an great, great scoring rate. He scored 8 in his 12 games at Bolton, but he scored 9 in 12 Prem appearances from Chelsea in the first half of last season. So the idea that he just scored while at a smaller club in Bolton is just not true. He actually scored at a higher rate over the first half of last season with Chelsea.
05 Jan 2013 21:07:06
Before I start can I just say don't shout me down, I was born in the 70s and was a Liverpool fan by the time I could walk! But as we all know YNWA.
To be honest we need to be realistic and accept we ain't the force we were. I know a lot of our fans want to see top names because that's what we have had in the past but we need to start to climb the table. I truly believe BR is the man but we have to be patient. Villa and the likes of Sniejder ain't want to join a team who are fighting for top 6.
Hi, interesting post..
We're obviously not the force we once were but I can see us getting back up there next season (possibly with the right results this year, creeping into CL place - going to be v v hard but who knows).
I think this cost cutting measure has actually been a good thing.
Take Sterling, 2 goals now in approx 30 Liverpool appearances pretty much all this season; fans complaining he wants maybe £30k per week and should sign etc.. etc... well we have El Zhar earning that money a few years ago and he's not made the same number of appearances over a number of seasons - not slating the lad but thats how we've moved on.
At the mo we have Suarez, Sterling, Downing, Assidi (spelling), Borini and Sturridge capable of playing in the top 3 positions (i see Suso as more of a central midfielder than forward player). If Ince comes in it would be interesting to see if Downing leaves. But that gives us a lot of options, booth starting the game and making changes (something we've not had all season).
I think BR style of play should be given to the end of next season, maybe more. TBH i've seen loads of players come here and we've shipped them out at a loss within the 1st 2 seasons - i'd be happy for BR to at least make a go of this team.
Hoola
Hoola
doesnt give ius a lot of options should suarez get innured on feb 2nd
tom1975
Tom1975,
Any team in the world would miss Suarez, if he does get injured then we have Sturridge and Borini (due back from injury late January).
I'd say that was more options than we had in November and December....
Hoola
05 Jan 2013 20:56:10
If Ince has his current contract running out in the summer do you feel that Blackpool are asking a bit much at 6 million? Is it not worth signing a contract now for his free transfer back in the summer for the sake of 6 months?
Baz
Surely if his contract does run out in June why not wait till then, cant see him starting too many games.
Andy The Red
I've heard (may be incorrect) the club have the option of a 3rd season (next season as well).
Saying that - would u spend £6m and make it further in the cups as well as the league that may offset the original fee on prize money awarded?
Hoola
05 Jan 2013 20:51:09
Hi eds just a quick question, why did we ever get rid of, or why did emiliano insua leave? .what we would do now for him while enrique is injured, a good solid left back and got the pace. {Ed052's Note - not good enough}
Hi Ed's,
I thought it was weight issues and the fact after a lot of promise he had a dip in form but due to Aurillios injury we had to still play him which IMO made him look worse than he was.
Not saying your wrong just what i thought i remembered happen at the time.
Hoola
05 Jan 2013 20:44:27
Wot u think the likely hood we sturridge make his debut tomorrow EDs? {Ed052's Note - likely}
05 Jan 2013 20:34:18
Eds fellow reds, just read that Mansfield town are going to put the names of the 96 on the empty seat between two sets of fans for tomorrow's game. On behalf of all reds I would like to say that is very moving and will be highly regarded with our great club . Nice touch Mansfield town .jf96 YNWA
That is such a quality touch Mansfield thank you.
05 Jan 2013 20:30:43
Can anyone tell me if Ince is out of contract in the summer ?
BigD {Ed052's Note - apparently so. I had thought he had 18 months left but it seems not}
Well then surely if Blackpool are holding out for a fee of around £5m or £6m, then as long as Ince wants to join us then why not wait until the summer and get him on a free transfer
BigD
If this is the case then why the hell we doing business now for around 5 mil, if Ince wants to come here & we want him back tell them they can have Ince rest of season then give them one or two loans as a sweetner. Simples!
John A
If you ever want exact information about contracts visit transfermarkt.com
Its 18 months with the option of a further year
05 Jan 2013 20:29:53
People need to look at the bigger picture with regards to FSG.
They are not here to bankroll the club out of their own pockets. The route they are going is for LFC (The club) to look after itself (self sustaining) meaning that in years from now we won't need oil fields to buy the best players.
Not so long ago LFC was in major trouble financially. If The Royal Bank of Scotland had called in the loans which H & G had leveraged against the club we would definitely not be playing in the EPL anymore. Imagine that so thanks to FSG we are still in the top flight and financially the club is more stable than most clubs in the EPL.
Has anyone heard that Malaga will be banned from Europe next season? UEFA have already started investigating clubs who are not complying with FFP (Financial Fair Play) and Malaga is the first team to receive a ban. Go google it if you do not believe me. If Malaga cannot get up to date with their debts by March 2013 they could be banned for up to 2 years from any European competitions and what makes it even worse for them is that Abdullah bin Nasser bin Abdullah Al Ahmed Al Thani (yes it is a mouth full) who is their owner is not allowed to use his own money to pay Malaga's debts. That is what FFP is about. Malaga as a club needs to somehow find the cash to pay it's own debts which means Malaga as a club are in sh*t.
This is what FSG wants to avoid and signing players on 200k a week for wages is not going to help the cause now is it?
Yep your right about FSG.
With regard to finances we are no better than the teams around us under them, we cannot compete for quality players or wages.
They have managed most fans expectations by not actually doing anything much.
Quite sad really that a club like ours is now basically a mid table financial institution that FSG will look to earn as much as possible out of. They don't care about our club in the slightest just like H & G
Would be happy with that model if we as fans owned the club but FSG as so called investors is utter rubbish IMO.
They should have stuck with baseball.
Good read, agree with the points and why we should trust FSG. The Sheiks at Man City may find loupholes like the etihad deal but im sure in time UEFA will scrutinise of such things
In terms of Malaga they're in the sh*t as it is. The owener you mentioned "..." has already said he's putting no more money into the club due to the poor transfers that the director made...
You are 100% right, this is a process in alot of ways. Both in the style and quality on the pitch and in how the team is built off the pitch.
Throwing money around like nuts is not the way to have lasting success. FSG will spend major money, when the time is right. Throwing money at players in an attempt to get to fourth is not the right time.
The plan is to build the squad with youth, both from within and through signing young players. The key is that young players are cheap. If you bring them up yourself, there is no transfer fee in addition to low wages. Young, promising players who can improve also don't cost as much in fees or wages when you do buy them.
Just look at our young forwards/wingers/attacking mids who are still young and didn't cost huge fees: Sterling, Suso, Shelvery, Sturridge, Borini, perhaps Ince. Throw in Henderson who is young, although cost alot, and Suarez. Thats alot of guys. Out of Sterling, Suso, Shelvey, Sturridge, Borini, Ince will all of them pan out and be stars for us? No. But there is strength in numbers. If just say 2 out of those 6 guys do grow and become very good, long term starters for this team, we are in good shape.
FSG will spend money at the right time. The right time is when the strength of squad from top to bottom is solid, we have depth across the board and we determine that we are 1 or 2 major signings from being a really good squad.
When that time comes and we are right on the verge of being that very good team with our younger, less expensive players, FSG will spend the money on the 1 or 2 "major signings" to put us over the top.
How exactly are FSG earning any money out of LFC? If you bother to read the accounts you'll see they're making no money at all - actually the opposite - they're still pumping money into the club. How would they not care about the club - they spent an awful lot of money buying it and of course they want it to succeed. Quite frankly your moaning makes absolutely no sense at all.
No-one buys a football club to make money.
cozinoz
Apart from Owen Oyston and Mike Ashley, but even there you're probably only talking 10m a year.
Im afraid you're wrong Cozinoz. Fsg will make money out of Liverpool as will the Glaziers. There is money to be made at some clubs.
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - If they sold now they might just get back the money they have tied iup in the club.}
05 Jan 2013 20:29:04
can i ask the eds why we have to sell again didnt we reduce our wage bill by over 200 grand a month in the summer if these owners dont want to support the club why didnt they stick to america to be the best you have to buy the best top names are available this month and are being linked with everyone bar us 5 champions leauges 18 titles come on yanks wallet out or you out {Ed052's Note - mate, they have spent over £600 million on this club. People need to thank them for what they have done, and the phenomenal amoung of mlney they have, and continue to pump into the club}
Sorry, but I was agreeing with the Ed then
Paul R
Totally agree with the ed's on this one.....Just don't think many people realise how close we came to administration.
I watch pompy last night and was thanking my lucky stars, and fsg, seemingly about to be relegated yet again, it was only 2008 that pompy played out a 2-2 draw with ac milan, now looks like they are to be in the bottom tier of english league football.
ynwa
The owners have backed us enough. big spenders in the summer and already 12+ this window not to mention last summer!?
I'm impressed they have learned that they must act quicker in the window and delivered sturridge in two days
RobInRed
Sory ed 0052 but most of that 600m you refer to was for the purchase of the club which they can get back as soon as they sell up they signed suarez cos they sold torres an babbel they did back kk well that as to be said but for me we are the greatest club on earth they gave rodgers the job an we need to buy the best he tells the press he, s happy with the owners but if you askrd him privatly if there was more cash would you buy some of the players thats available what do you think he, d say and thats why i say they need to back him
Could we have an 'agree with Ed' button. Accidentally pressed agree yet again when it was actually the Eds comments I agreed with. Easy to get wrong one on a phone as well.
ND fat fingered divvy!
The problem is the minority of fans who are financially illiterate and who demand that we spend money like City. Twitter and the like give them a voice that their intellect does not justify. There is, as they say, blood in the water - they think because they got rid of H&G / Rafa / Hodgeson they can dictate to the owners or manager what they should do with the club. Thankfully the world doesn't always work that way. I don't see a queue of billionaires lining up to buy the club - be thankful for what you have. YNWA
Where the hell has the figure of £600m came from?
FSG (like any of the other prospective buyers -of which there were several) aquired the club for half it's market value buying paying RBS (the major creditor) the £157m it was owed.
As of the last set of accounts the further £50m the club was in debt was still outstanding. There was also, as of the last set of accounts no capital introduced. The owners have increased comercial revenues and slashed costs (wages) but all the other money spent has been generated by the club either through player sales or comercial/match day revenue.
The truth is FSG have invested less than £200m of their own money in an asset worth circa £400m.
They aren't marters they are astute business men.
Liverpool Cabbie. {Ed002's Note - You have misunderstood matters in terms of the purchase cost and covering the losses made. However, the £600M quoted is much higher than the actual investment made and I fear confusion between US Dollars and GB Pounds.}
To the poster who signed off YNWA
That was the most astute post I've seen here in quite a while.
Nice one.
05 Jan 2013 20:28:57
Eds fellow reds, just a quick point all this talk of Suarez being taken out of the centre and playing left or right of the three .my question is look at his goal this season an how many have come from the centre of goal ? Answer proberbly 3 or 4 last week right wing shrugged off the foul into right side of box and the rest is history .think the three will move all over the last third of pitch when they won't .as long as they communicate with each other it will be fine .
All 3 players in each of the front 3 positions will be inter-changeable, and constantly creating space for each other to exploit
Joe
05 Jan 2013 20:28:02
eds what is our scouting system like,
do we have guys assigned to every major european and south american league? do we have african scouts, asian scouts ?/
if so i d like to know what they are doing that our only options for this window are sturridge and ince?
tom1975 {Ed052's Note - yes we will. Those two are not our only options, but those are the 2 players who are deemed suitable to help to improve the team this year round. I know we have scouted South America a lot recently and over the past summer, and remember we have had interest witha couple of Samba flair players. We have also been scouting Holland for 2 years now really heavily. But as I say, BR may ask about players he wants heavy scouting on, and he will also be given some scout reports. And, he has deemed DS the player to get in and sign. You also have to remember that players from other countries, e.g. Africa wont be easy to sign because of work permits, and the majority are not good enough. Only a couple of players per generation would probably be good for us from African, Asian countries.}
Not knocking the ds signing ed, think he will be a great addition to the squad. just wondering about our world scouting networks. just think we need more than just ds in this window. admittedly its a hard task in january but people are paid well for this task and if they cant do their job then others should be brought in who can.
granted work permits can be a problem from african asian and even south american sources
for curiosity who were the samba flair players we were linked to i dont seem to recall this?
and what about other european leagues spain france portugal greece turkey eastern europe germany italy swiss? do we have scouts scouring these leagues also?
tom1975
p.s. even with the sturridge signing if suarez gets an injury we are in dire straits. less so than before the sturridge signing but we dont have adequate replacements {Ed052's Note - we will scout all the leagues you mention. Samba stars?: Damiao and Bernard that I know of}
Ah damiao i remember but it was hardly concrete interest...shame best young cf in world football imo well worth 20 million..bernard i dont recall.. but thanks for your answer
tom1975
What do you mean only a couple of players per generation would be good enough from African or Asian countries. There are bucket loads of players from Africa in the PL and also from Asia such as Lee kagawa whereas other far astern players are plying their trade around Europe
Samba flair players?
Stop reading the papers kid.
05 Jan 2013 20:40:06
on twitter saw this, Liverpool have agreed a fee of around £4m with Blackpool over the signing of winger Tom Ince
05 Jan 2013 20:14:42
Completely dumbfounded as to the negativity towards FSG
When they bought this club we were weeks away from bankrupcy and we were years into rot thanks to the hicks and Gillet backing! so FSG have saved us and have looked to develop the club
It is impossible to argue that they are not looking for financial gain in the club, that would be ridiculous because they clearly are, but how they are doing this is extremely thorough, ruthless at times, and in the long run effective
As well as reducing the wage bill, which had exploded into silly and ridicioulous wages for certain players, they have secured new sponsership deals (e.g. Warrior sports) which are bringing in large amounts of finance to the club!
Furthermore they have been continually working on the redevelopment of Anfield. People slate FSG but FSG took considerable time to consider the best possible stadium options; Whilst a new stadium built in Stanley park would have been bigger in capacity they took into account Fans opinions and thus decided that Anfield was a better place to stay. Obviously it is also cheaper to stay at Anfield but FSG did consider the opinion of the supporters
Additionally from all of the statements and press conferences FSG have released they have been up front and honest with the club. They honestly care about the club and the people associated with it
Moreover everything FSG do is responsible, calculated and ultimately beneficial. For example the employment of Kenny at a time when the club was divided and possibly at its lowest for many decades was a shrewd move which as well as improving the form on the pitch also united fans and provided optimism for the future. Equally the eventually sacking of Kenny just a year later was also extremely thought through and summarised before hand. Under Dalglish, and Comolli's stewardship, FSG sanctioned over £100 million in transfers to the club. Anyone else that argues they recieved most of that money through Babel and Torres needs to realise that there is still a net spend of £40m + there which is still are large amount of money on top of the fact they had agreed to sanction Luis Suarez transfer before Torres was even sold.
The most significant thing that has come from their ownership is their ability to accept mistakes - This can be seen through the sacking of Comolli, their own appointment, rather than hiding away from the apparent situation. Another example could have been in summer when we failed to sign Dempsey; they apologised stating they made a mistake and failed to bring in the player
I also believed the sacking of Dalglish shows how strong a leadership FSG possess. They knewthe controversy that would later ensue - he's a club legend! I believe that the fact they sacked him shows just how dedicated they are to the club. It would have been easy to leave Dalglish in place when quite clearly the team was not at the level it was supposed to be, particularly after the investments made. Yes we may have got to two cup finals but we played a full strength squad throughout potentially jeopardising the sharpness and fitness for certain league games in the process. People also argue that time would be needed but the whole idea of the appointment of Dalgish was not to give him time, it was to turn the club around and try and regain Champions League status. Dalglish knew the club well, he wasnt implementing a particularly different philosophy or playing style and hed spent large enough sums to necessitate instant success which had not been achieved (other than the league cup)
Which brings me onto the financial running of the club. FSG have shown they have ample resources to build a competative squad. Yet it portrays clever management that they are not splashing the cash now at a time when the club is changing hugely from previous regimes and starting a fresh as that would be an easy thing to do. We will never be able to see how much money FSG will give us until we get Champions League and it is clear the money will not go to nothing! Furthermore I will happily allow the club to consolodate for the next year or two so that they can start a fresh and aim to climb the league. Too many managers have been in too shorter time and thanks to the old owners the club was a complete financial mess. Thus i am more than happy to watch FSG turn the club into a self sustaining and profitable club such as Manchester United especially with financial fair play rules coming in. This will help in the long run as we will be able to sanction more transfers if the club is making a large turnover
Finally I believe that FSG have shown a great approach through the appointment of Rodgers, provided they give him the time required to install the foundations of the project. They clearly see that the club has to rebuild and start something new. Thus by appointing Rodgers, who will implement his own philosophy on the club and is of a young age, the club will be able to sustain a high level for years to come and create a platform to build on.
Throwing money at the situation, like Manchester City, PSG and Chelsea, in the long run will not work. The success can only be achieved in short-term and if the owners decide to depart the clubs will crumble completely. Of all football clubs Aresnal are a model example of how to be. They have created a club that in 20, 30 or even 40 years down the line will be at the same level it is now due to the expert financial management. Hence why FSG looked to appoint David Dein at Liverpool!
Hereby, I ask that all supporters of the club we hold most dear, Liverpool FC, show FSG the respect they deserve and remain positive about what they are trying to achieve. They may want a financial profit to be made but if that is all they were after they would have sold the Boston Red Sox by now and would have bought a club in less of a state than Liverpool.
through this strict approach they can rebuild the club and bring back a successful club on the pitch and create a healthy financial business off it
We owe FSG alot more than many fans admit!
SR
I m not questioning fsg, they have injected cash into the side regularly
i m questioning our scouting system at the moment. what have they been doing from 9-5 everyday since the summer if all we can come up with is sturridge and ince as options, one that used to play for us, one that was a target in summer .
surely we have scouts watching every league in the world for emerging talent. so who have they suggested should they have a list of fifty possibilites for each position on the field for the manager to look at .
there is talent out there
heung min son hamburg draxler holtby clasie maher strootman aubameyang bony mertens. i m not a scout and i know these names.
we should at this rate just sack the scouting system because we clearly arent using it
tom1975
Bloody well said, there are too many 'pump the money in and the results will come' clubs..
What has impressed me most over recent games is (bar Luis Suarez who I think can be a bit too 'my ball') is that the squad are playing as a team and have a spirit I've not seen for some time..
Think that the Stoke result following the Villa defeat has gelled a number of the players.. Long may it continue and be supported by FSG, sensibly..
Suffolk'n Red
Absolutely brilliant post!!
I've wanted to say something like that for ages, but wouldn't have done it justice.
Thank you!
Paul R
05 Jan 2013 20:53:36
I agree mate, and the sad truth is people don't waste time reading the fine print, they simply expect us to win every game, sign every player, throw ridiculous wages at players then blame the owners and manager when theres no room left on the wage bill for more signings(see previous regime for further details)
It's easier for them to make vauge assumptions based on what goes on at City or Chelsea and demand similar actions, despite the obvious flaws and conditions preventing us from likewise actions.
No doubt everyones heard the accusations of "asset stripping" yet not one poster ive ever questioned has ever been able to support this notion.
Instead they hide behind their anonimity, make threats and drag down the name of our fans.
I have no doubt things like this have gone on since the dawn of time, but for every one person like you mate who can post well thought out, reasonable arguments, theres 10 keyboard warriors behind you, determined to make threats to the owners, the manager and anybody else affiliated with the club that they deem unworthy.
In short, the only problem with the internet is it gives the tosspots a voice too.
I like that i don't seem to be the only one who doesn't have a hate vendetta against FSG.
Their net spend since they bought the club is only 2nd to the Champions league clubs, which given the financial bonus the Champions League brings with it, is that really such a hard thing to accept?
WelshBoyDave
Tom1975, everyone who plays Fifa or Football manager etc knows those names!
its not as simple as that though surely. They may well be playing well at their respected clubs but maybe our scouts looked at them and thought they are not viable; could be through ridicoulous pricing, work permits being hard to get, players uninterest to join and the fact that they player may struggle to settle and other risks
Granted though, I would have thought our scouting network would have at least turned up players like Oussama Assaidi much more frequently, im not saying Assaidi's a world beater but he has shown he is very capable and for a price as little as £3m
About time we had some supporters with a bit of common sense! Fsg have been brilliant so far, kenny and Rodgers have both been given the financial backing the players that have been brought in is down to the managers and the scouting team. I don't understand how anyone can be negative about fsg they back their manager and keep there noses out of transfers!
3 major Mistakes by FSG:
1) should never have sacked King Kenny
2) Ridiculous recruiting exercise for new manager made the club look a joke.
3) STILL no solution to the stadium issue.
Other than that they've done OK.
What a load of bull. Is that you Mr Henry ? Stop posting rubbish you Yank tight fisted lying peasant {Ed002's Note - And you wonder why they don't come to the games anymore?}
To the guy aboive who didnt leave a name
we pay people good money to overcome the obstacles you mentioned. if they cant do their jobs sack them and get in people who can get it done.
secondly the players i mention cost in the 8-12 million bracket hardly unreasonable for a club of our stature.
with regards wages players coming from other euro league(where they are less well paid) would be delighted to come. as you mention assaidi on 30 k a week at most.
players coming in from foreign leagues would accept wages of 50-60k a week.
any decent young footballer can be sold the liverpool ideology playing good fast football in a resurgent team. i dont buy all this its too difficult to get players in nonsense, the board dont want to spend and thats it and thats fine but if this is the case i dont want to listen to tom werner with his silly statements how he is hoping the fans will be happy at the end of january with sturridge and possibly one other(according to brendan).
holtby went to spurs on a free for example. things dont need to cost the earth especially when buying from europe. heung min 8 million, aubameyang 10 million, remy 10 million, mertens 12 million, surely our scouts should have a list of fifty options for each position we require to fill for the manager to check out and if not what the hell are they being paid for. and resultantly from fifty options surely 5-6 are viable options. if not the scouting and recruitment system need sacking in its entirety....
enough with the excuses, we all understand its difficult...difficult but doable..so do it because lets face it if luis suarez gets a bad injury on february 1st we wont be anywhere near top 4 come may
tom1975
tom1975
Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.
FSG have their own suspect financial agenda, it will be revealed in time.
Stop putting them on a pedestal, after all they are a two bit tv producer and a commodities broker, their experience in football is basic, and the history of their endeavours/activities marked by indecision, mismanagement, and stupity.
I honestly don't care two s*its if they never attend another game again.
05 Jan 2013 20:03:37
Hi eds and fellow supporters. Its nice reading bout all these speculations that fans are thinking about but the reality is we got the player BR wanted. Maybe we can get 1more player but its NOT going to be a world class player. Maybe someone to build in the youth but forget about villa, wallcot, etc. Its not gona happen and I think we done for the transfer window. If by some miracle snjider is willing to accept £80 thousand a week than BR will jump for him but it aint gona hapoen. Maybe Ince will be the 2nd and only signing but we are done in the market so stop thinking about perfect fifa 13 players cos it won't happen
Not thinking about fifa players, thinking about genuine up and coming talents from other leagues esp the bundesliga
tom1975
05 Jan 2013 20:03:21
Jay Spearing is obviously out on loan (so quickly forgotten). Given we are half way through this season, do the EDs have a gut feel of what kind of transfer fees we will be able to command for him in the summer (I am obviously speculating that he will sold and not retained or loaned out again).
Husni {Ed002's Note - No.}
05 Jan 2013 20:01:58
silly post so ur saying ince being cuptied for this yrs fa cup is gonna be the reason that he doesnt sign even though he can play in the league the europa league and the fa cup next yr and every other yr??? come on pal use ur head
05 Jan 2013 19:55:43
Hi Eds,
A few questions regarding our current squad and transfers:
- Why are we looking to sell/loan out Coates in this window? Will Carra and Wisdom provide cover or will we bring in another centre back? Does Rodgers not rate Coates?
- Is Downing still for sale? What is his price tag and has he attracted any real interest?
- If Ince does not join until the summer, will that be for a significantly lower price since he is out of contract?
- Does Rodgers view Borini as a striker or a winger or doesn't it matter in the system we are playing? {Ed002's Note - (1) If Coates is to go it is because he wants to. (2) Boro has shown some interest in Downing. (3) Yes. (4) A forward.}
05 Jan 2013 19:49:56
Sorry if this has been posted already but anyone seen that Chevrolet advert with our players n United players? Seems to have upset some fans.
Les
I for one have seen the advert(s), it and they don't upset me, it just highlights to me the fact that our brand is expanding massively in America, and the revenue this can produce could be massive. And it talks/teaches, of a rivalry we know full well of here, but in the u.s. may not be as recognized.
05 Jan 2013 19:39:19
Br said after the Sunderland game surez is a player who needs to play 2-3 times a week so lets play him and Sturidge tomorrow get them both scoring and ready for the mancs
Wire red
It would be pure folly to play suarez tomorrow, I know suarez wants to play every game, and i for one commend that and appreciate it. But for me sturridge will need the time on the pitch and we also have to remember that suarez has not had as much time off from football as most in the squad.
I agree with the second poster, the pitch will be a nightmare too. save luis for the mancs
05 Jan 2013 19:09:05
an earlier poster talked about relationships with clubs,
just touching upon that again, i think it would be fair to say that we have strong relationships with both Real Madrid and Athletico and also clubs such as MTK and Crewe who we've used as feeder clubs in the past
It means nothing! spurs have some kind of agreement with real madrid! do they not ed? {Ed002's Note - It is one of these joint-programme agreemenst focused on youth and coaching. Most clubs have one or more (Liverpool with Nacional for example) but they never really come to anything.}
Liverpool like to think they have good relationships with European clubs but the truth is they hump us every time.
Yeah, Spurs have an 'arrangement' with Real Madrid - the Sprurs coaching staff get a jolly to Spain every summer and Madrid got to buy Modric (and eventually Bale.)
Po
05 Jan 2013 19:05:32
To anyone who is still going on about "missing out on" Demba Ba!
a) you clearly do not understand the detail and importance of transfers - instead you see the perfect picture created through the media and Fifa and Football manager. For example, under Benitez Liverpool signed Peter Crouch for a considerable fee. One of the most unglamourous players around and he didnt score for 18 games! but it wasnt all about that, After reading Benitez's autobiography he reveals he signed crouch for a specific purpose and to provide Liverpool an aerial presence. Drawing back to the point im making, Daniel Sturridge has been signed to do a specific job and add something liverpool do not have (pace and directness perhaps). Thus the Liverpool scouts and staff believed that Sturridge was the man for the job and not Demba Ba for whatever reason
b) Demba Ba cost 7m through a release clause as opposed to Sturridge who cost 12m. The 5m difference can easily be seen - Sturridge is British and thus adds an extra player to the league requirements of home grown players etc, Sturridge is considerably younger too. On top of that wages need to be factored in!
c) Demba Ba would not suit the style in which Rodgers is implementing - we saw this through Carroll and that was under Dalglish who was not insistent on playing on the floor!
d) Chelsea can afford Demba Ba more than Liverpool - and by this I dont mean the price, i mean that risk involved in his transfer. Thanks to the physio at one of Ba's previous clubs, Mouscron, his leg is not in ideal physical condition. Thus I can imagine that medical fees could become considerably expensive if the player has any sort of recurrance or issue with his leg! Chelsea can afford this risk as they have huge pockets and can easily bring in players such as Falcao!
Apologies for my rant, As much as it may sound a little abject to personal opinion I believe that this is an objective post and justly defends LFCs transfer on this occasion (the same cannot be said for some of Comolli and Dalglish's handywork...)
Thanks
SR
Fair comment the club is bearing the brunt of those 2 handywork
Thanks SR, makes sense mate.
2 points were your wrong, we do have a player who is quick and direct his name is sterling and the other point D Ba has scored more goals than sturridge . plus newcastle could handle his bad leg and medical wxpences . theats 2 points by the way, let me ask you this, sturridge moved because he did not want to play on the right, he got moved into the middle, tell me how many goals he scored
mickey b
Chelsea play good football on the deck so how would he not fit into Liverpools system?
Ct13
In reply to mickey B,
I understand the comments you make
Firstly when talking about Ba's injury predicament Newcastle were able to pay his medical expenses. It is not the actual straight up expenses though that I mean. I mean the risk of expenses that will come if his leg was to cause aggrevation. The physio at Mouscron messed it up and effectively he is a ticking time bomb - hence why Stoke never signed him
Secondly I accept that Sterling is pacey and direct but I would consider him to still be extremely young to rely on for this and was merely suggesting a specific use of Sturridge, I don't know BR so i do not know the full reasons for the transfer
and finally Sturridge made it clear that he has never demanded to play in the centre so i dont see this being an issue and when playing in the centre for Bolton he scored 8 goals in 12 games. He may have had a dry patch at Chelsea after AVB was sacked but then again Demba Ba only managed 1 goal in the second half of last season when Cisse was signed
I accept your critisicm but think my answers justify what i expressed in the original post
SR
I dont think Demba Ba did only cost £7 million. Was it not more than that? Ed002?
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - A little.}
Ba is very one dimensional he can only play centrally, sturridge can go wide or central, br is looking for adaptabilty in his players
tom1975
The so called Ba has just scored 2 goal didnt need time to jell in the Chelsea team hope ur so called Dan can match that
And further more Chelsea didn't make £12m after they paid Man City their cut and sturridge his, as I believe Man City got £1.7m and Sturridge £1.5m and have bought a guy with dodgier knees than shakin Stevens. Totally agree with original poster, we got a player who fits our needs and has a fair chance of doing well for us long term.
NEWSFLASH*
He went to Chelsea, why are you even talking about him?
05 Jan 2013 19:03:55
I really like what Brendan is doing. He talks the talk, and acts upon it.
what I like is that he really is wiping the slate clean. He isn't afraid to show the door to anyone, nor afraid to cut the losses. It's like he really is putting the last decade of bad transfers and underachievement in the past, paying whatever is necessary to remove it from the equations, admit the faults that were made, and truly focus on the future.
He is keeping what he see's as potential and adaptable to his style, ie Henderson. For me, I think he is one of the players who has integrated the best into Brendan's style. He has done this by recruiting Allen, who is already adjusted to the style and being an example to the style. Clever management. Enrique and Johnson are also up there, as the offensive game suits them well.
He is making the most of what has limited potential ie Downing. Challenging him to redeem himself in unnatural positions to demonstrate a willingness and capability. I think Downing has grown. He isn't a 20m winger, but he at least that doesn't hamper him anymore. Whilst he does this, he keeps the door open for him to leave. That gives Downing the choice to fight or leave, meaning that if he chooses to stay, which at the moment appears true, it means he has a greater purpose to his impact. Cole was given the same choice and he left. Equal management.
And finally, without hesitation, he is throwing out all that doesn't want to play, only money motivated, or simply not suited to the style ie Aquilani, Cole, Carroll. Brutal management.
The money that he has been given has been well invested into shrewd signings who have a genuine desire to play for success, a potential, and can justify their wages and transfer fee's so that does not have a psychological hindering effect. He can justify every signing he has made, whereas most of Kenny and Roy's signings have huge question marks hanging over them. Even some of Rafa's left us baffled. Also he has injected youth into the side with a very realistic chance to break into the side if they apply themselves and seize their chance.
Allen at 15m. For a young, insightful midfielder with huge potential and represented Wales and Great Britain. Statistically one of the best passers in Europe and knows Brendan's style.
Borini at 12m. Injuries have set him back so we have a reserved judgement but has always looked lively. Plays with purpose. Recently come into the international frame. Knows Brendan's system again, not unaccustomed to English football. Has flair and strength.
Yesil I honestly don;t know what he cost. But he is regarded as one of Europe's finest prospects. Minimal price, massive potential. Unproven, but hungry.
Sahin on loan. Real Madrid generally don't buy rubbish. A statement on modesty and intent by accepting our position as a financially inferior side with intent to buy wisely. Hasn't played as much as preferred but I like him. Confident on the ball, chips in, international quality. Hope we hold on to him.
Sturridge at 12m. A point to prove. Proven goalscorer with a range of honours at such a young age. Again, international quality.
I'm confident that any further additions this month will be acquired at reasonable costs. Dempsey and Siggurdsson were deemed too expensive, and they haven't stunned the league, let alone the world. I think we will get a LB if possible, and another versatile, attack minded player like Ince.
Most of these players recruited are on the fringe, or have their foot in the door, of international level. They have quality, but they have so much more to gain. They are the 20-25 bracket, by and large. So they have some sufficient experience, but so much left to gain. It's the idea of maintaining a thirst for success and improvement over time.
Brendan's message is clear. He accepts and embraces our past decade of underachievement, by the dizzy standards and expectations of our illustrious history. He accepts our (what can only be described as) wild, misguided statements of intent in the market. But that is in the past, and right here right now, he is rebuilding and that construction of success will take time, years to revive ourselves as a European powerhouse.
At first I wasn't sure if he was the main to bring back glory to Anfield. But I don't think there are many better and financially realistic candidates for such a colossal undertaking. We were in a financial mess, with little hope, until our owners have plucked us out. We're now in a position where we can go about rebuilding the squad. We can't attract the very best players because of financial competition, but our history is a taster for promising players with an appetite for success.
I'm really buying into Brendan's philosophy. I've seen the squad grow and grow with confidence and fluidity. There have been moments where the system has costs us goals, and decisions have costs us games. The league isn't an accurate reflection of how well we have played at times.
This year I don't expect a top four finish. I would snap your hand off for two decent cup runs ie semi-finals, and a European spot. Realistic? Yes. In recent years, we have set targets that we could never have hit. The league is increasingly competitive, and we were decreasing in quality, meaning that we have been overtaken.
I for one am fully behind it, it will just take patience. You'll have to stomach several woeful displays and results that will get you ridiculed, but that's a price we can pay. In past years we have been our worse enemies, it's time to rally and really support the cause.
Sneaky feeling this has come from Brenda lol
Though everything you have said is accurate by the way you have described things whilst wearing rose tinted glasses, one could equally paint a negative picture of management and events. Somewhere in the middle lies to real truth. Historically LFC has under achieved financially and on the pitch considering the fan base. Getting sorted
out now, yes, more through necessity of our financial situation than management planning. Is BR the right man for this job, potentially yes, because no many managers in world football would take on LFC, a huge club in statue but with no finances.
The only thing most LFC fans do expect is better results on the pitch. Performance has been ok this year and last year, but actual wins and losses dreadful. A good manager can grind out results, look at Fergie, his teams just win based on a formula but not a dogma. This is where the jury is out on BR, grinding out results.
Wasn't Van Gaal interested? Not a bad record.
Andy K
05 Jan 2013 18:21:32
Would like to say at least I am not the only one on here who is concerned with the state of our club, and the lack of investment given to B.R and the signing of mediocre players.
As other fans have said, FSG spend a penny and will want a penny back, this is why they only want to pay low wages for second rate players, this is why we have very few class players in our squad which everyone knows is simply not good or big enough to compete for a top 4 finish.
Don't think the owners are here for the long term, and if they are, they need to dig deeper in their pockets if we are to be a force once again and take this great club of ours forward.
FSG have their chosen Manager, so they need to back him and buy 2-3 class players, it is their fault that we had only 1 striker up to now by not replacing Carroll and quite honestly if I had been Rodgers I would have resigned on principle, you need at least 3 decent strikers in your squad to cover injuries etc, we now have Sturrige which will ease the pressure on Suarez, we deffo need another this month.
I for one hope for a bright future, but in all honesty I don't see it, I don't think the owners have got what it takes or the money to take us to the next level.
alan50
Ok so people have given up on running down Hendo, Downing, Stewie, Allen, Borini and Rodgers...
Here come the FSG posts... give over, if you are true LFC fans why moan about everything like you are getting paid for it?
FSG are trying to make us a sustainable club, not a bad thing if you ask me.
So I for one (Your first sentence is poor!) am strongly against your view and Ozone's about FSG being the new H&G, utter BS.
K79
I think that's unfair on the owners. They gave KK and Comoli over 100 million and they blew it. The reason the owners had 100 million to "blow" is because they are shrewd business people. They certainly are not the type to waste another 100 million so easily. Of course they want their money back, and of course they want value for money. When you go shopping in a sale would you be happy if on returning home you opened your goods to find most of it was sub-standard? Would you be as quick to splash the cash a second time, or perhaps take care in what you're buying? These people have spent their lives watching the pennies, Liverpool are lucky to have them spend their pennies on our club.
Alan50
I doubt you can even Support your own Weight!!
You dont think the owners are Amy good.
Because they won't spend silly money!
I'd rather Liverpool get to grow and have the income of Man Ute than rely on the owner chucking money at the club until they get bored.
Has much as I hate Manu they are the only club who will be able to stand on their own two feet because of "TURNOVER"
Let fsg do their business and shut up or go support someone else
Lyndon
05 Jan 2013 18:26:37
Puzzled {Ed052's Note - sure mate. I normal dont because im on my phone so its hard to type. Therefore shorter answers, miss spellings etc.}
05 Jan 2013 18:36:40
I hope Sturridge hits the ground running like his replacement Ba.
RedBeer.
05 Jan 2013 18:35:06
Joe Cole with two assists today vs Man U. Good for him. Wasn't a good fit at Liverpool but clearly has some ability.
Coop
VP gets equaliser in Fergie time
Got to say it though super controll by RVP
No you havent got to say it. You could just think it.
05 Jan 2013 18:45:45
let yesil play vs mansfield he seems good
They play likestoke hell get battered he needs time when hes learnt how to hold the ball up yes
mayhem 1981
05 Jan 2013 18:43:54
West Ham 2-1 Joe Cole 2 assists,
Sooty
Good luck to him I say and we'll done - I think some players are suited to the culture in certain clubs - Joe was not really suited to ours. The same maybe said of Carroll he may only really settle if he goes back to NUFC
Phil from Crewe
Sooty, I can't tell you how glad I am that Joe Cole is no longer at LFC. He could score a hat-trick today & my opinion would remain the same.
I'm happy to be rid of him. It makes me feel a bit better knowing he's got a good chance of success where he's gone.
05 Jan 2013 18:04:57
I'd be happy with just Sturridge this window if we are promised of buying some quality in the summer. We have these as forward players
Suarez
Borini
Sturridge
Sterling
Suso
Assaidi
Downing and then more inexperienced players in yesil, Morgan, NGOo so there is plenty players in these positions
No there s not
if suarez gets injured we are still screwed
Its a price worth paying. Sterling, Suso, Sturridge & Borini can only reach their potential if they play plenty of games. We will get the benefit of this seasinb in future ones.
05 Jan 2013 18:03:57
Eds any interest in Joe Cole of West Ham? Just seen him get an assist in the game against Manchester United, looks a quality player.
Dan.
And another. If he helps stick one on the mancs, good luck to him. Hope he has a run of games and ressurects his career.
ND
Have it on good authority from a reliable source that Rodgers is having him watched today and we could be putting in a bid of around £10m and 100k a week for him.
05 Jan 2013 18:03:27
quick question, when BR came in he said he will sign an 'Exciting' player. any idea on who this was meant to be since none of them have done the job {Ed002's Note - I imagine he was talking of Borini.}
05 Jan 2013 18:26:49
messi or falcao.
05 Jan 2013 18:01:23
Wish everyone would stop complaining when a team around us signs a decent player, who we most likely we weren't even interested in. Like BR said, we will only sign a player if it is the right move for the club, not being held to ransom over fees and wages. HullRED
05 Jan 2013 17:53:30
I hope our owners put the club up for sale. They do not have the funds to bring in top players. We will NEVER win the league with American owners who no NOTHING about football. It's like me running a beauty salon and knowing F all about it. Absolute joke. Thank you for saving us from apparent liquidation but you have taken us as far as you can and we want to progress. It's only a matter of time our top players leave
I hope they don't sell, they're building for the future and hopefully here for the long haul. So what if they don't know anything about football, just as long as they know how to run a business.
Red Raw
This is getting really, really old now. Who exactly would want to buy it? If there was someone waiting around who really wanted the club and would pay what would be needed (maybe what 500M or so?) then they would have already approached FSG about it.
I'm pretty sure at this point they would be more than happy to take a bit of a gain and go back to worrying only about the Red Sox rather than have to deal with the crap they're getting from their own supposed supporters when they've been nothing but supportive themselves!
What a brilliant read - thanks for sharing misery guts.
Fowler99
We are like one of the top spenders in the league in the last couple of years. the owners are learning from their mistakes
You might think you know more about football than the owners. But the owners know a hell of a lot more than you at business and how to run a club.
That's why they own the club and you simply "support" it.
MIKEY
What is wrong with you people - there is a world recession, there are no more multi-billionaire owners left willing to throw money away.
We missed the boat when David Moores sold us out, will never understand why he did what he and Parry did to us, that was the time to get a real money man, but for some unknown reason he sold low without checking out the people he sold us to.
John B
So they are moving the club forward? They've cut the wage bill by leaving our squad thin as ever. We are still nowhere ne'er 4th and now apparently have no money to strengthen it. Why don't we sell Gerrard and Suarez so the Boston Red Sox can buy a new pitcher
Troll off mate... no one is listening.
They don't have the funds? Silly me, I thought they wiped out £200M of debt on day one, spent over £100M on transfers in their first year and are now looking at spending over £150M on renovating Anfield. Damn these poor american owners!
Why would anybody want to buy the club with mr know it all supporters like your good self who will never be happy no matter what they do, not to mention the death threats they'd receive, some low life's out there who call themselves Liverpool supporters!
JJ
05 Jan 2013 17:52:31
What bull! Joe cole done more in 35 mins at WHU than his career with us
Cole has got a spring in his step and seams to have that energy back. I think he always just tried to much at Liverpool
He helped us beat them a couple weeks ago. GL Joe Cole.
Rk
05 Jan 2013 17:49:49
Hi fellow Reds, Thomas Ince has started for Blackpool in the FA cup. So i don think he wil move to Liverpool in january(means no talks r ongoing) but possible in the summer i believe. But expect one more player as Rodgers mentioned. I hope its Wilfried Bony r Kevin Grosskreutz.
Personally couldn't give a toss if Ince signs for us or not, does anyone really think he would make that much difference?
05 Jan 2013 17:43:16
Omg omg guys joe cole got an assist already! We've made a mistake now :( bad times!
05 Jan 2013 17:35:50
Sturridge won't play tomorrow, he's not 100% fit. He might be on the bench against united.
Lee the red
Be a good opportunity to get fit I would have thought...
30 mins from the bench take luis off after 60 bring on sturridge
After he scores 60...
what are your thoughts on us getting huddlestone and kalou both available and cheap and good i know we looked at kalou in past could ther still be any intrest
No to both huddlestone not needed kalou not good enough
tom1975
05 Jan 2013 17:05:33
Looks like most teams are using all their regulars in the FA Cup. Hope we do the same
05 Jan 2013 17:04:08
Ba with two goals today. Ed's, any chance we might still sign him? The window is still open
Coop
Clear sarcasm! you guys need to loosen up!
05 Jan 2013 18:34:20
Yes, its 14days exchange policy yes we can. Because D.S is injured so we have good chance. oh ya we can get F.Tor too. Buy the way we can also get cole back he is playing good today.
Thankyou for picking up in the sarcasm. No buddy seems to appreciate humour on here during transfer window
Coop
05 Jan 2013 17:03:00
hay eds, don't know if this has been asked, couldn't find it when reading posts
Did Tom Ince play for Blackpool in the FA Cup today?
Best Regards {Ed002's Note - He did.}
05 Jan 2013 17:45:35
Or you could have just checked a sports web-site for news....
Or you could use your brain and realise this was sarcastic
05 Jan 2013 16:59:32
£12m for Sturridge is a fair price. With BR he will get a proper run in the side. The only other times were at Bolton where he did very well and under Avb when he also did well. He is a rough diamond but with bags of pace and skill. If anyone can get him to fulfil his promise its BR. If not we will move him on in 18 months for a modest loss ( when compared to the massive loss we will take on Carroll). The downside with Sturridge is limited. Personally i believe he will prove to be a very very good signing. Reality Red
05 Jan 2013 16:56:20
With Tom Ince playing today in the FA Cup shouldn't we look elsewhere for now and come back for him in the summer ?
05 Jan 2013 16:55:14
dont understand why there's so much negativity about Suarez potentially playing on the wing
a) our front three is flexible and as suarez has shown in the past he comes from out wide to get the goals or create chances
b) its not just about him despite him being an absolutely outstanding player! - if Sturridge is in the centre and scoring goals and ultimatley the team is winning Suarez's goal record is of no concern
SR
We'll have three up front - none will be wingers -
05 Jan 2013 16:52:39
Hi eds 26days left in transfare we've been early for once but we have a number 9 &10 shirt do you think sturridge will get one of them or poss ince?? Or may they keep them for a more top end buy (summer).both good buys but not world class, (suarez type)who would ed002 like to be wearing those shirts {Ed002's Note - I am pretty sure that unused shirt numbers will not drive the transfer process at Liverpool. Perhaps in the summer you will see them filled.}
05 Jan 2013 16:42:39
Ed's does Alonso have a £16 mill release clause? {Ed002's Note - There is no release clause that Liverpool can activate.}
05 Jan 2013 16:33:38
Just a quick question . Is sturridge available for european matches {Ed002's Note - No.}
05 Jan 2013 16:23:57
Just wait for all the "We should of bought Ba", silly comments.....just give Sturridge a chance you persons
Your having ago at people who haven't said anything yet. Is that the voices in your head you total head the ball
FowlerisGod
05 Jan 2013 16:06:21
Looks like 'no more transfer money' available.
Wow!, we really are a 'cash strapped club'.
Trying to save on the wage bill by offloading Sahin and Cole.
As things stand, we will never be able to compete with the 'bigger spending teams', and surely must realise that without significant improvement in the EPL, and entry back into the UCL, a mediocre club with a mediocre manager we will remain.
Cue: Transfer requests from current LFC players, as the 'ambition' of the club becomes painfully obvious.
05 Jan 2013 16:23:05
You think it's bad we've offloaded Cole? He was dreadful for us. Who wouldn't want to get rid of him? How can getting rid of a wage drainer like that possibly be construed as a lack of ambition?
Liverpool ownership and board staff are an absolute joke
but if there is 1 man i truly blame..
its the CHELSEA FAN..who sold the club to the americans
To the above poster. Because we haven't replaced him.
FSG don't need to make us successful. Their aim is to reduce costs and sell at a profit. These people are not good owners.
American interference anywhere is only to exploit. These people are no different.
Werner and Henry have a history of doing this sort of thing. I would suggest you do a bit of background reading before making statements such as 'they saved us' etc. etc.
Henry's principle business is asset management. Clearly they regarded LFCs assets as poorly managed with an opportunity to exploit. That's exactly what they are doing with their transfer amortisation policy in bringing in kids.
They have bought the club at a snippet and spent nothing. Every penny invested by them they Will expect a return on as FSG comprises a group of privileged investors out to exploit and maximise their return.
Ozone
Plus there are no actions from the owners to suggest that they are investing for the long term. It is a classic short term asset reshuffle to sell the club on at a profit.
The only thing we can take from this is that indeed we will be a self financing business running at a profit but reaking of a selling club of mid table mediocracy.
Ozone
Yes.
A Chelsea fan selling LFC, it was a travesty.
All we got was 'cash strapped and financially over extended' yanks.
FSG have done nothing notable to re-establish LFC.
They are 'over committed' with their baseaball team, no stadium yet, and one financial mishap after another.
Its obvious that they are inexperienced and truly clueless.
All I can say, 'God Help Us', the combination of BR and FSG will drive this club to the depths of mediocrity.
Comedy of Errors.
We are still paying for Cole mate.
He is due more than £3m.
Add that to the golden handshakes, and excessive agent fees paid out...its all mismanagement.
FSG need to go!!. {Ed002's Note - FSG were not responsible for signing Joe Cole. FSG have significantly reduced agent fees. And who were these "golden handshakes" for? Dalglish?}
I have no idea what you expect the owners to do, Ozone (and other anti-FSG posters). As I see it, as owners you have three options- try to run the club in a self-sustaining manner (which is what we're doing), take a ton of debt against the club to finance it in the hopes that income increases over time and you can pay back the debt (which is largely what H&G did), or be willing to come out of your own pocket a lot of money with no hope of return on that money (Abramovich or the Sheikh).
Why would you expect the current owners to be willing to gift the money they have made to the club when all they get is abuse? Here's a death threat against your family, now give me 25M of your money?
Basically you want a loaded Scouser with money burning a hole in their pocket to buy the club and just buy Messi, Ronaldo, and whatever flavor of the day you all want. Fantastic game plan that- let me know when you find a taker otherwise just let them get on with it already and how about trying to be supportive rather than so negative. We need JWH to believe that this club is worthy of his and the other investors financial backing otherwise it's all likely to end badly.
Hello ozone. Happy new year. I see after a ticking off and a financial lesson from the Eds a couple of weeks ago, you have rediscovered your grasp of all things financial. I would try and argue with you, but it all seems to pass you by. In fact when the eds rubbished your last anti FSG nonsense you replied by talking about playing five in midfield against Stoke.....
Chill and enjoy the ride sunshine.
BigBadBen
Ozone mate, get your head out the clouds. Ed001 has shut you down on this subject before.
'American interference anywhere is only to exploit'. Talk about generalising. The above poster summed it up perfectly. You just wanted a rich Arabian Man to buy the club and throw his money at NON SUSTAINABLE transfers and contracts.
The club has been losing money for years, are you not happy that we are a club that runs itself properly again? We nearly ended up playing in the lower divisions of English football a couple of years ago.
We are still competing in the premier league after investment from fsg. You can't say they are not putting money in - it's a fact. Younger squad, hungrier players on reasonable contracts. There is a reason the worlds finances are in a mess and it's because people like you don't appreciate people using money properly. DH.
Fowler99
Answer this fowler99..would you prefer we had arab owners who would buy isco and eriksen..or americans who would release cash for borini and sturridge
05 Jan 2013 21:32:57
Regarding the money,
If it becomes as big an issue to fans as well as the players we may as well give up!
If Money is the biggest factor we will never win anything because Man city or Chelsea will win everything.
Lyndon
The criticism of the "Chelsea fan" who sold the club to FSG is not fair. If you want to criticise anyone, how about the two so called Liverpool supporters who sold to the clowns H & G? And what is worse is that they both made them selves very rich in the process, yes that is you Mr Moores and Mr Parry. That is where the rot started. That doesn't mean that FSG are exempt from criticism but they have saved the club, we are on better financial footing my only gripe was in buying too much mediocrity for over inflated prices.
OP, I hear what you're saying but it's coming out as ...."blah blah blah, whinge moan, complain"
05 Jan 2013 16:05:24
Eds and Reds,
What are the chances that the search for a left back cover for Enrique will stay British and we'll go for Danny Rose after his loan spell? Have we shown any interest in him before? {Ed052's Note - no. Very very very unlikely}
05 Jan 2013 16:00:29
Meanwhile, with Hoarau on his way to China, Carlo Ancelotti has vowed to play Kevin Gameiro more! HES NOT COMING!!!!!!........ HOW MANY TIMES must you lot be told
What do you mean? {Ed002's Note - He means that Hoarau has accepted a very significant wage from a Chinese club.}
Am I not coming then?
Kevin gameiro
05 Jan 2013 15:53:35
Wesley Sneijder has been offered to a number of big premier league clubs. Liverpool are the one's seriously considering a £10m bid which is a bargain for a 28-year old who is despite not playing much recently still one of the best midfielders on the planet. There are a few problems but the big problem is his wages which are £140,000{a number of people on this site have said he is on £200,000 but this is simply not true} a week. Nuri Sahin is problem number two, Rodgers is closing on a move for Tom Ince and this will be the only other January move if Nuri Sahin isn't removed from the wage bill. Liverpool will need to agree a deal with Real Madrid and either Borussia Dortmund or Inter Milan which could be very complicated. Sahin is an exceptionally talented player but for whatever reason he isn't really sparked life into this Liverpool side like Sneijder could. Rodgers will have been delighted to sign Daniel Sturridge and move Joe Cole on so early in the window but this could be. Tom Ince is pretty much nailed on and I expect him to sign in the next week or so. The probability of Wesley Sneijder moving to Anfield is about 4/10.
Even as an experienced pro if he did come it may take sneijder time to bed in
Ask yourself why the other top teams don't want him...
AJH
05 Jan 2013 15:53:10
Get teady for the questions Eds.. Why didnt we go for Ba :-)
Because he's a good goal scorer and the transfer fee was a steal. We as a club like to bring in overpriced British garbage come on pal you know that
Because he has a chronic knee problem
Spot on first poster, they only keep focusing on his knee rather than his goal scoring abilities...the injury can be managed with a good medical team..i rather have ba with his one good knee than sturridge
Poacher. wrong type of player. a backwards step.
05 Jan 2013 15:48:10
Hello lads.
Happy new year.
My dream signings would be Walcott, Ince and Zaha .
Is there any chance of Zaha ?
Ince I think will happen .
I think we should offer 10 mill for Zaha on a pre contract for the summer or Even in January .
He will be awesome
He's nothing special.
What is people's fascination with Zaha? He is highly over rated.
BrisbaneLFC
Dream signings? Crikey, how times change as your expectation fall...
AJH
05 Jan 2013 15:45:29
Hi Ed's, just read that enzo fernandez is apparently coming for a trial with us. Any truth in that? Sounds like he has potential to be a good prospect!
Cheers, daridius. {Ed052's Note - not sure}
05 Jan 2013 15:41:50
Hi eds, I've got to agree with one of the earlier posts that BR has been sayin all season we've a small squad and we'll wait till jan window to strenthin but so far it's been one in one out and he's said that's probably goin to be it !! So I'm a little confused is to why we are not pushin for a top top player or two now coz if we don't get in the top 4 this season then we'll never attract the top players in the summer ?
Thoughts pls guys thanks malc
05 Jan 2013 15:41:14
eds salomon kalou what do you think ?? ssn saying us and westham could snapped him up for as little as 2m to 3m now there's a 27 year's old that could come in and do a job.kalou wants to leave by the sound's of it, maybe a return to the prem is on the card's.seem's very cheap if you ask me but it is the jan sales lol.jay essex red for life red till dead... {Ed052's Note - not happening}
An emphatic HELL NO!
05 Jan 2013 15:26:23
hi ed, i dont think sahin is playing bad enough to justifiy cancelling his contract, i honestly think he can do well for us, sure he hasent done great so far, but has he done bad? hes been average imo, i hope he stays and proves himself, would be a big waste of money if he left
05 Jan 2013 16:24:37
He's not quick enough for the PL. He's been rather good in the Europa and Capital one cup. I'd be fairly happy to see him stay and use him for the Europa.
Alonso wasnt quick enough for the epl either but he managed alright
tom1975
the bundesliga is almost as quick as the epl he managed fine there also
05 Jan 2013 15:01:53
Hi fellow Reds, Thomas Ince has started for Blackpool in the FA cup. So i don think he wil move to Liverpool in january(means no talks r ongoing) but possible in the summer i believe. But expect one more player as Rodgers mentioned. I hope its Wilfried Bony r Kevin Grosskreutz.
No more players in.
We are cash strapped.
Over, over extended.
05 Jan 2013 15:01:51
Ince starts for Blackpool. This is irrelevant to whether or not we re-sign him or not. Sturridge is cup-tied for the Europa League and we still signed him.
Scouse_Pride
05 Jan 2013 15:00:43
In the summer we should be looking at yohan cabaye micah richards dries meertens or isco and a goalscorer. Well within the relms. Micah richards out of favour at city, newcastle in freefall, meertens not be too expensive from holland and a star striker
Highly unlikely tbh esp isco, richards, cabaye and the rest
Go have a look at gokhan inler for napoli same attributes as cabaye but tall and has the drive into the box from deap
mayhem 1981
Does not matter how cheap or expensive, we have no money.
05 Jan 2013 14:57:01
i think we paid over the odds again for daniel sturridge
Is that you Kenny? Least you could smile saying this ;-)
There's no knock down sales in January transfers. The alternative is wait till summer to do your business.
That's your opinion which is valid but there's no point going on about it now as the money has been spent and has already gone. All we can do now is get behind him and give him our full support.
Red Bish
I don't think we are in any position to state what is over-priced
20m downing
16m henderson
35m caroll
90k per week for cole
18m aquilani
20m keane
12m on player who has proved he can score goals when given a run, for a player who still has much potential to fulfil, international level and a winners medal in: premier league, champions league and 2 fa cups at the age of 23. you can't really complain
12 mil for a 23 year old whos scored 36 goals in 60 starts in the PL in his career over the odds?
Especially when he had only 6 months left on his contract.
6months hhmmm someones not done their homework!
6 months left on his contract? Do some research before commenting next time
JJ
Thought he had another 18 months? {Ed002's Note - He did.}
Steven fletcher cost sunderland 12 million think Sturridge will prove to be a bargain we paid nearly 11 for heskey in 2000, diouf was 10 million cisse 14 million....
Paisley's genius
05 Jan 2013 14:56:54
no other signings as non can be afforded or needed, ince just squad player not good enough for our first team. jan transfer window a waste of time over the top prices get payed for run of the mill players plus we dont have much money so cant compete with city etc teams like that. We need to have some lee way on buy young policy and get some experance in before we fall further behind. Cheers, Jodie Sewell
05 Jan 2013 14:55:26
What is the situation with Will Hughes from Derby?
Chelsea, fulham and spurs head the front of the que!
If liverpool want him we'll be front of the queue mate hes a die hard liverpool supporter
It simply doesn't work like that im afraid
05 Jan 2013 14:55:18
West Ham are not going to take up the buy option on Andy Carrolls loan contract terms, hes done little to impress and will be coming back in the Summer, his value dropping even further by then, with us lucky to get more than 8-10m for him, please all stop coming up with ways of spending the 17m West Ham are going to give us, it simply wont happen
I thought the terms of the loan was that they bought him if they stayed in the league meaning they will be buying him, he is simply injured.
Oh dear.
We are stuck with this useless 'carthorse'.
05 Jan 2013 16:43:23
We have lots of useless cart horse's borini downing henderson lucas coates allen sahin not to mention Fsg and rodgers. All need to go if we are to move forward. These yanks haven't a clue what there doing. Worse than the last lot.
What makes you so sure? They took Cole and signed him long term. They probably have a worse scouting system than us {Ed002's Note - It is not a long term deal - just the same 18 months he had with Liverpool.}
05 Jan 2013 14:55:10
You have been saying all along that a striker (sturridge), ince and a loan is all that will be coming in in january. many supporters seem to be frustrated but seem to be oblivious to the fact that that is all we need. we have conceded fewer goals than manu, so we don't need to buy a defensive player at the moment. at least not in january. our passing and possession has been some of the best in the league (often over 60%). so our midfield does not need major improvement. we need to start looking for our long term gerrard replacement. but that will never come in january. we also need to see how henderson develops. so it makes sense that liverpool (who do not have the money of manchester city or chelsea) improve only when necessary in january. especially when january transfers are often over priced and desperate. also, keep in mind than it could take any midfield player a while to fit into a team that has been working together for 6 months on a new system. point is, supporters need to be realistic and take pride in what we've done well. we've possessed the ball. we've pressed teams when we haven't had the ball. we've created nice attacking play. and we have fluidity between our defense midfield and forwards. we're not playing long balls like manu. we needs goals and thats hopefully what sturridge will do. we are looking excellent as team and it's reminiscent of barcelona the year before they became a dominant team again.
YNWA
Agree with most you say apart from ince dont think its needed we have assaidi and borini to come back suso sterling sturridge and downing in a few years ibe if we could save the money and put it to a player that could maybe take gerrards mantle in a few years erikson comes to mind hed be tough to get but you never know if we can sell ourselves to him like we did with suarez wed have some player
mayhem 1981
05 Jan 2013 14:51:57
Hi ed52
Sorry I know it's a bit impatient but 2 o'clock gone, have you heard any update on Ince
Gavalaar {Ed052's Note - he's playing, so no deal is close}
05 Jan 2013 14:49:09
Liverpool scouts have been at nearly every Ajax game this year, watching Christian Erikson not for now but we will defo will bid for him in the summer. Am not saying we will get him but we will have a go
Murton Red
It simply wont happen, I'm not saying nailed on or 100% but it seems he could well be heading to white hart lane? as I'm aware eriksen and vertonghan have been in constant dialect for about seven weeks now and the indications at the minute is that's where he will go!
But erikson is from denmark and agger may do some persuading. Jay
Yea but don't forget they played in the same team and eriksens a supposed spurs fan? besides just because agger is a dane it doesn't mean they know each other? they may only ever chat when they meet up?
Not sure if Liverpool will get him, but if you look into history, the Vikings have always fancied England so he defo going to PL
But then again, will be getting Holtby. Aren't they of the same mould?
05 Jan 2013 14:48:34
Edds, with ince playing for Blackpool today and therefore being cup tied does this mean that we will be less likely to buy him {Ed052's Note - no, I shouldnt think so. Itjust shows we are not that close to signing him. I remain of the Iidea we wont gt him}
05 Jan 2013 14:35:54
Hi eds great work, just wondering if there is any interest in Tommie Hoban of Watford? Cheers. HullRED {Ed052's Note - none}
05 Jan 2013 14:24:42
Ince is playing for Blackpool 2day. What do you make of it eds? {Ed052's Note - nothing}
05 Jan 2013 14:20:37
Ince is starting for blackpool in Fa cup so he is going to be cup tied IF he joins LFC
05 Jan 2013 14:15:01
Tom Ince starts for Blackpool so that means if we get him he will be cup tied now
Murton Red
Eds,
I presume that will knock a tad off his value then, were he to be sold this Jan window ?
The Juicer {Ed052's Note - not really no}
05 Jan 2013 16:20:27
Blackpool would like him to stay, they are not going to do anything detrimental to his value.
They won't cup tie him, then say "oh well as he's cup tied have him half price".
I don't blame Oysten either, he's doing whats best for his club, and trying to hold onto its best young players!
WelshBoyDave
05 Jan 2013 14:13:37
Suarez is in excellent form this season and has scored 15 goals this season in the league. Suddenly he is scoring a lot more goals. Why is this? What is he doing different to last season?
Suarez's attitude has changed. When he gets fouled, he gets up and gets on with the game.
First of all i dont think his finishing has improved dramatically. In fact his finishing is still not up to standards of falcao or van persie. He was brilliant last season and even now but the thing which has changed is he's not hitting the posts, keepers are not playing blinders. He's finally getting the rub of the green. Take last match for example against Sunderland, his first goal was a bit lucky since the keeper got a touch and even his second goal the keeper knicked it i think.
Secondly i think the 3 forwards are helping suarez a a lot. There are more people to pass to. Last season he was alone up front and tried to do everything himself.
With sturridge already signed and ince looking close and borini returning soon i think we'll have a good second half. I get the feeling that the team is building into the season.
amar
IMO Suarez has being playing a lot better since cleaning up his act and stopped falling around, he looks to be playing a lot more for the team, and looks very very hungry. He also seems to be enjoying his football not only on the pitch a lot more, but in training too judging from various pictures. HullRED
Well...he was banned for 8 games & the reception he got everywhere cant of helped.
Well, he did hit the bar alot more last year. this years the ball finds the net
BR is getting the best out of him and the rest of the players
No coincidence is it
Pass not blast
05 Jan 2013 14:00:00
Hi eds, just seen some new rumours about Rodgers wanting Benat if he can convince fsg to give him the funds for the 16mill buy out clause. Do you know if there is any truth in this? {Ed052's Note - no}
Too slow. It will be Alonso all over again. 2 years of him getting caught in possession followed by 1 decent season which will somehow make him a legend.
05 Jan 2013 13:29:13
hey eds great work!
eds is Joao texeira rated highly?
he'll be 20 in few days, do u expect him to make the cut any time soon ?
also your take on Marc Pelosi?
lykon_red {Ed052's Note - both are good players, and will have good careers, but pribably not with us. JT hasn't played enough and is getting on a but for a youngster}
I reckon Teixeira will get his chance with us, the only reason he's not played so much is injury problems, but he's clearly a very, very talented kid
Texxeria is fantastic. He just needs a chance.
05 Jan 2013 13:26:28
Guyz FSG are good people but they don't have resources to compete in highest level if your expecting top players then you will be disappointed. Our transfer policy from first day has been buying young/pontential players or players who won't demand high wages.
Top4 for us is not must now if we don't get this year then will try next year again if we don't finish in top4 next year then will try year after year untill we sneak top4 in 3-5 years who knows.
They do have the resources, but they are trying to make LFC self-sufficient. In the long run this will be better for us
05 Jan 2013 14:36:26
To above poster FSG don't have resources to compete with chelsea or united or city if you think they have then your biggest fool in this planet.
FSG are run by investors when they invest a penny they expect their penny to come back by hook or crook that's the reason why our wage is cut down dramatically
Small example for you mate
John w henry net worth is 800-900M
Abramovich net worth is 25-26B
FSG has members with a greater amount of money than JWH.
05 Jan 2013 15:02:34
Spot on mate you just have to listen to Rodgers when he says all the time owners want to recoup there money he means investors want their money back cutting the wage is only the way to keep investors happy and getting their money back.
John Henry's wealth According to Forbes is 540M
Roman is worth 18Billion
The city sheik 32Billion
Investors in FSG may have lots of meny but its not available to LFC for transfer targets
Henry's asset management companies lost £400mill in December. Henry now only manages $100 mill of asset worth compared to $2.6 billion in 2006.
Werner and Henry both have a history of investing in sport, cutting costs to improve franchise value and selling. Werner turned San Diego Somethingorother into a bottom of the table team for two seasons on the bounce through a fire sale of assets and cost cutting but managed to improve the franchise value by 25%.
It is rumoured that Henry is considering selling the Red Sox.
I can assure you that these people are not good owners, they don't care about success and will sell at a profit as soon as the balance sheet is rid of the previous owners regime and it reflects the improved margins from the cost cutting.
Ozone
They might not have the same amount of money, but they have more than enough. They just want LFC to fund itself. Nothing wrong with that at all.
But we do still have the resources to compete on the football pitch, im not saying we can afford to buy all the new training facilities (such as city are doing) and build a brand new stadium (hence why we will expand anfield)
The problem it's off Abramovich's own back like you say FSG have to pay investors,
However, They have huge resources which is seen through the Boston Red Sox - some players are on over $150,000,000 per year {Ed002's Note - FSG are the investors and no players are earning $150M per year. This is a good example why we should keep any financial discussion away from these pages.}
Come on Ed2!!
With all these business savvy people on here thought
You'd be on the verge of Deloittes sponsoring the Site!!
Lyndon {Ed002's Note - Astonishing is it not Lyndon.}
05 Jan 2013 13:22:55
personally if rodgers plans to play sturridge as a central striker i dont see another striker like gameiro or villa signing this jan, i think people are forgetting about borini who we raved on when he was signing. personally think it will be ince and possibly another winger signing.
cheers.
05 Jan 2013 13:09:02
2 deals are meant to be close to complition which is gameiro and ince have you heard anything about this eds? {Ed052's Note - no}
05 Jan 2013 13:05:45
Are the Mirin and Gameiro Deals close?
Lots of speculation on the net.
Cheers
No - about 206 kilometers apart!
DM2012
05 Jan 2013 12:42:00
Hi eds
Can you add any credence to the TS rumours of the Ince deal being very close
Gavalaar {Ed052's Note - not at the minute. We will find out at 2pm tho}
Why at 2 ed?
TS = Team Selection. If Ince joins LFC it will be for five years so it won't matter so much it he is cup-tied for this season.
DM2013
05 Jan 2013 12:31:13
I guess we're all waiting to see if Ince is in the line-up vs Fulham. Where will you be able to see that first?
05 Jan 2013 12:31:13
Prince boateng and micah richards please.. {Ed052's Note - what about them? Sign them?}
05 Jan 2013 12:23:23
Gamiero isnt coming and never was, how many times must you lot be told!!
the only other player is ince, if not him maybe some other type of winger, but ince is nearly a done deal. i really cant see coates going either, whats the point in loaning coates out to buy this mirin geezer who wont get many games it doesn't add up!!
the grim reaper
The way Chelski have played these past few years, the only forwards who have really succeeded are "brute force" players like Drogba. Fast and/or light players haven't had the same impact.
05 Jan 2013 12:09:36
Chelsea paid £4 mill for sturrige, and he has not exactly set the world on fire, in fact imo he is just a very average striker, however yet again we have paid well over the odds for the player, it is no wonder there is no more money for transfers during this window
alan50
What's your point?
We paid 11 million for Alonso - sold him for 3 times that.
23 million for Torres sold him for twice that.
Would you believe that there are occasions where sometimes you win on transfers and other times you lose.
Typical modern day Liverpool fan - slate a player before he's kicked a ball for us.
How many times must it be said - cheer up Alan !!
He came out of contract at city, I'm sure that was a compensation payment not really a transfer fee as such, eds can you confirm this if I'm right, he will be a great player for us, here will give us more options and take some weight of Suarez as well.
12 million is nothing in today's market.
Paul the red
05 Jan 2013 13:29:34
Fan, not supporter.
WelshBoyDave
Bot set the world alight? 36 goals in 60 starts still only 23 was cheksea top goal scorer at one point with AVB
He just hasnt had a chance but ehen hes given a fair run of games he is quite prolific considering hes played on the right
Has a better goals to game ratio than valencia
Therefor OP ur spouting rubbish
It's the end of the world and we know it.
4 million isnt exactly correct as i know there are adds for every 10 apperences sturridge made. {Ed002's Note - The £4M is miles off - both the initial fee and the cost once additional payments were made.}
05 Jan 2013 12:03:18
Quick question for the eds if I may; is there any substance to fans' Gameiro rumours on here?
Many thanks
The Squirrel {Ed052's Note - im still dong have any conformation sorry}
Thanks anyway, Dong ;)
cozinoz
Haha cozinoz made me chuckle
05 Jan 2013 12:00:34
Strridge, Borini, Assaidi, Allen
How can anybody argue with these signings?
FSG set a transfer policy which BR has to comply with.
Personally I think given the funds and the resrictions placed upon BR we have purchased very wisely indeed!
05 Jan 2013 13:08:20
Finally some positivity!!
Those who disagree.. would be interested to hear who you think should have been purchased?
BR has got us Sturridge, Yesil, Borini, Assaidi and Allen. How can you argue with that? Can you not see how the squad is geared towards the future and players that are on the up?
05 Jan 2013 11:42:22
Me Julie says that we got no more mOney for transfers
Gameiro only!!!!!!!
Ali g
I didnt know of any julie that worked in the higher echelons of the club
05 Jan 2013 11:18:31
hi eds
What's the situation with gameiro. Can't Liverpool buy him permanently?
Pragyan
Nepalese Red {Ed052's Note - they could yes}
Now all we need is gameiro on loan and sneijder for £10m
But only if we get rid of Sahin and Pacheco to make money available for sneijder's wages.
05 Jan 2013 11:18:04
A reality check for the so called supporters who can't help but bag the current owners and manager..... Sir Alex joined Man U in 1986 age 45 and had 4 years of mid table results, in 1989 fans were calling for him to be sacked.... The Manu board believed in Sir Alex and stood by him, in 91/92 season Manu finished 2nd with youth coming through the club in the form of gigs and co, The following season, well we all know what happened since..... BR has been in the job 6 months and some of you want him replaced, what the club needs is time and stability, FSG and BR will give us stability, we fans need to support and give the management, BR and the team time to develop, with youth coming through, and solid structure in place, we could be on a road to riches, but only if we get behind the team.... FSG, BR, the team, all the fans, all want the same thing, success.... So lets start now, have faith and get behind the whole club... YNWA means, always together always believe, when your slating/ knocking the team your going against all that YNWA represents....
Enjoy the site, eds and reds, sick of the haters.
Cheers tilwud
Completely agree, you don't see any team win back to back titles without sticking with a manager. Look at chelsea, and even City to a degree it looking hard for them to retain the title.
We were at our best when we had rafa and that was because he was allowed to build his own squad but he had a fair few years to do so.
Let it happen again with BR and FSG. Let's just support our club.
JD
Please Please stop with the Benitez jokes - under him we got boring football. zonal marking and one domestic trophy in 6 years - he turned a side that should have won the PL in 2009 into also rans the year later.
Our manager is called Brendan Rodgers now - and luckily Chelsea have the joker.
John B
Excellent post tilwud, keep up the good work
Kelly Red
I'm glad to have BR as manager, but to describe Benitez's reign as 'one domestic trophy in 6 years' is beyond belief. He won the champions league and got us to the final two years later - the guy deserves a lot more respect than that.
Po
05 Jan 2013 14:13:19
Benitez has won 4 honours with liverpool under the worst owners in liverpool history.
Honours which Benitez won with liverpool:-
Champions league
FA cup
Super cup
Charity Shield
That's quite an achievement in my opinion especially where he had to sell players to buy.
The Champions League, amazing!
The Fa cup, good!
But I'm afraid the Charity Shield and the Super Cup can't really be described as honours.
Finishing second in the League by 4 points and reaching another Champions League final are much more of an achievement than those two so called honours
Kelly Red
I love Rafa but the yanks didn't arrive at anfield untill 2007. Which basically means that the above post is inaccurate. Just thought I'd point that out
FowlerisGod
You can't compare Rafa with Rodgers - Rafa was more experienced when he took over, while Rodgers is still young. If you compare the records of their early coaching careers, they are actually quite similar
Singred
Kelly red a great man once said "If you are second you are nothing" Bill shankly
Dont see how Rafa's a joker?
Tactically astute and a brilliant manager, he enabled us to beat the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid in their own back yards
On top of that he had literally no support from the owners who were almost as bad as QPR were when Flavio Briatore and Ecclestone were in charge!
Rodgers also plays zonal marking so i dont see you problem, (he has used man marking in some games also)
moving on though, Rodgers is younger and is trying to implement a philosophy, he therefore cant be as flexible in tactics as Rafa was although I believe in the long run Rodgers will get this team to great heights!
He certainly was a great man, and that season finishing second only by 4 points was almost too much to bare, it drove me mad, (86 points would of been enough to clinch the title on 10 other occasions) it was heartbreaking, and second best is never good enough for Liverpool
However, my point was that finishing second (qualifying for Champs Lg) is a hell of a better achievement or honour than winning a meaningless Charity Shield,,, thats all
Kelly Red
05 Jan 2013 11:11:58
Whilst we might not sign a player it doesn't mean Liverpool aren't interested, it just mean's said player isn't interested in Liverpool. We'll buy players that want to play for Liverpool and we'll be all the better for it.
05 Jan 2013 11:09:29
It looks like it will be a really good window with the capture of sturridge. The imminent arrival of ince and the possible loan signing of gamerio. The only change I would of made would of been instead of buying ince and Sturidge I would of bought eriksen or Isco as a back up option. Eriksen is top target for the summer though.
What makes you think Eriksen or Isco want to join us? We only want players that want to be here otherwise they just wont play well anyways.
JD
Ince isn't sure about joining us. Why do we want him?
Cause it seems eriksen could very well join spurs in the summer window? there was talk of this window? but its believed it should be the summer!
Agger is the Danish captain... so maybe Eriksen will believe Agger when he says how awesome Liverpool are?
05 Jan 2013 13:32:06
I like how he says, its a good window the only things i would change are all the players we bought, did anybody else catch that?
WelshBoyDave
05 Jan 2013 11:08:42
I feel that liverpool needs to bring in a top striker in the mould of Torres or RVP in January. I don't think Suarze will be around next year and we need to give the player time rather than bringing one in in the summer and puting alot of pressure on him.
Simoky.
Could have sworn I read Saurez had signed a new deal.
05 Jan 2013 10:59:00
Happy new year to all reds.
The transfer window carried with it a lot of expectancy from LFC supporters which has mainly been brought about by the words of FSG and BR after the shambles of the summer window last year.
It had been categorically stated that we have a very thin squad with little if no strength in depth and were also told that this window would be an exciting one. I appreciate that we are still in early January bu BRs statement about no more business to be done bar maybe 'one other, ' is a contradiction to what was expected to strengthen the squad.
The addition of one new player (all be it in a position we desperately needed) and the transfer of one and loan out of another don't make the sums add up so far - if my Maths is right then we are minus one and IF we have another in that means we are 'quits.' The quality and experience of the squad is another issue.
The second half of the season according to BR is the business end and players were going to be brought in the 'help the group.' This doesn't seem so and all it will still take is an injury/ suspension to Luis or Sturridge and we are back to square one.
The recent wins have been encouraging but it has to be noted that the goals against Sunderland were not born from tiki taka play but playing the right ball. This is also encouraging and I hope this flexibility continues. The wins have brought about a feel good factor and this will partly cover up the lack of transfer activity for now. The real test is going to be when we play the top half of the table teams and prove consistency.
I realize that transfers depend on a lot of things apart from just wanting the player. However, FSG and BR in my view need to be consistent with their talk and actions. What is worrying is that if improvement in the long run is not seen to be planned in real terms we will lose Luis Suarez sooner rather than later.....and then be told that this is a 'work in progress' that will take more than one season.........heard it before?
I really want to believe that FSG and BR are going to take the club back to the promised land but reading between the lines and looking at the minute details of words compared to actions it worries me.
What would be good to see and hear now is FSG give a rallying call and outline their vision for LFC(including the stadium) so hat we can push on in he second half of season.
RedDoc
RedDoc, I think you are being slightly alarmist. Irrespective of any further transfers in this window, I personally believe that we should judge BR and FSG in context at the end of the season.
I have kept a comparison table of results against each team (equivalised for promoted/relegated teams) over the last 6 seasons and we are currently 4 pts better off this season (+6 at home and -2 away). Things are not as bad as some are making them out to be.
Have some faith!
FT
Do you get more points for a win at the business end of the season?
Or are all games important no matter what part of the season they occur?
Clueless
Well the fewer matches there are remaining the more vital each point won or dropped becomes?
Puzzled
05 Jan 2013 13:39:18
I agree that we are one injury/suspension away from going back to square one, although losing Cole to West Ham or Morgan on loan shouldn't affect results.
I know that the goals were not scored from "tiki taka" but when we lose the system and manager take the blame, they need to be able to take the credit when we win.
We were very comfortable and Sunderland couldn't really get near us bar one or two chances, does "tiki taka" get credit for stifling the opposition and allowing us the majority of possesion, thereby allowing us to play more football?
I'm not having a pop mate, you have a well thought out post!
WelshBoyDave
I think BR is right, the first half of the season over and we're 8th. The only teams we could realistically expect to be above at this stage of the team's development is West Brom & may be Everton. Both Manchester clubs, Arsenal & Chelsea, were always going to be better, Tottenham were 4th last season and DM has had a few seasons to build a very good Everton side. Saying that, we have played some good stuff this season and are very well placed to start picking off those teams above us now - quietly optimistic
Po
05 Jan 2013 10:49:32
Is anyone else desperate to see Samed Yesil play, especially against Mansfield tomorrow?
SR
Downing plays but Yesil does not.. Mr Rodgers does not fancy Yesil.
I'd like to see Yesil have a cup run aswell, the boy is going to be top class
Mr Rodgers BOUGHT Yesil - but let's not forgot that he is still only a lad and has been injured recently. Not every player the club sign edis 1st Team material straight away.
DM2013
Really don't understand the comment about Yesil - BR brought him in - he is the best young striker in Europe at the moment for his age - bar none.
What BR needs to do is play him, then we'll see.
05 Jan 2013 10:39:50
Eds, not a transfer rumour but can you help me calm down. What is with all the negative attitudes towards FSG? Its really getting on my nerves, it seems that they can do no right in some supporters eyes.
- They saved our club from the debacle that was H&G's reign that nearly put us into administration.
-They took a nearly crippling debt away from the club.
- Their net spend on players in recent years has been one of the highest in the PL. DC and KK overspent on players. 35m for Carroll, 8m for Adam??
What have they done that is so wrong??
I know people will say H&G spent money, yeah they did and put the debt BACK ON TO THE CLUB!!!!!
FSG haven't got the money of the Manchester City owners or PSG owners, they are trying to manage the club in a responsible way. And they are trying to get in more sponsorships to create more revenue for the club. What more can they do?
Some supporters have short memories and need to get their heads out of their ass and get into the real world.
I for one am grateful to FSG for saving the club I love and hope they stay for many years to come.
SA
Doesn't matter what you say mate, it's not them as fans but them as people. Some people are pessimists and some are optimists. They probably go through everyday life seeing the bad and are therefor unhappy in general.
Red Raw
Thats not true Frank Butcher was very optimistic in a pessimistic sort of way.
05 Jan 2013 10:36:48
Hi eds and fellow posters.
Rodgers is starting to win me over not just results wise but his ability to get the best out of players. Downing and Henderson look good and Suarez is in the form of his life and looks great in his flase 9 role up top.
Here's hoping he can do the same with sahin and Sturridge who both clearly have potential they are yet to fulfill at the club.
Thanks
Puzzled Red
Ye especially sturridge he has done nothing for this club.haha sell him
The sturridge comment is obviously sarcasm. whoever disagreed needs to get out a little more
05 Jan 2013 10:19:42
The Sturridge move was kept 'under wraps' from Liverpool. There was no official announcement leading up to the transfer and Rodgers was coy whenever asked about his transfer {Ed002's Note - I rather suspect others have a different interpretation of "under wraps".}
Assaidi was under wraps, Sturridge was not
Red Raw
Are you being serious "under wraps" everyone knew about it, it was that much known about that the echo posted the date of his medical
Everyone on this site at least knew (or at least had a vague idea) about Sturridge since nearly the summer.
05 Jan 2013 10:47:37
Under wraps? There wasn't a worse kept secret in the window!
WelshBoyDave
Everyone knew about Sturridge yes! But not once did LFC reveal any information regarding his transfer!
05 Jan 2013 13:42:34
To the poster below me, thats because its against the rules mate.
It's called tapping up, and is highly illegal in Premier League rules(not too sure about other countries).
I am a Rodgers fan, but i hardly think we can give him credit for not tapping someone up, he would be the villian if we had!
WelshBoyDave
05 Jan 2013 10:00:19
Is it just me that thinks that Wesley sneijder is overrated and overpayed. Mourinho couldn't to get rid of him and Inter the same. Surely that says everything about him and is injury record is shocking.
Mighty reds
Couldn't agree more!
What are you on about he was insrumental when inter won the treble under mourinho he is a class act, we have no chance of sighing him dough
majestic69
Majestic sneijder as failed miserably for Holland. Injury record poor. Inter can't wait to get him off wage bill. Dont rate him never Will do. Failed at Madrid as well.
Mighty reds
05 Jan 2013 12:05:00
I'd prefer to have Isco or Eriksen.
05 Jan 2013 09:52:00
morning eds, hope the boys get the win sunday sturridge get's a run out.and with the mighty carra leading the red's out as captain (legend) come on the red's.now dont get me wrong im happy with the young sturridge coming in for start'ers.but didn't a MR WERNER of fsg say this would be an exciting window for the liverpool fan's ?.then didn't rodger's state before the window that we where very light weight on number's and would be trying to put that right in this window ?, and by that i dont mean 5 or 6 player's coming in ed but more than just 1 or 2.then BR said we need experience in to help the young lad's out ?.im hoping that lfc are playing the card's close to there chest and we see this happen and see some more new player's coming in the door.cheer's ed's.jay essex red for life red till dead.as alway's walking on with hope.....
05 Jan 2013 09:43:06
Why are people freaking/moaning in regards to Suarez being moved out to the wing? He played there whilst he was with Ajax and you can see he does not stick or stay solely in the middle, Luis is everywhere!! Come on guys he's a skillful lad and I believe he will keep on scoring for us regardless of which position in the front 3 he takes. Cheers. ZA13.
He always seem to come from out wide anyway. That's seems to be why there never seems to be anyone in the six yard box when the balls crossed in. Don't think it will upset Suarez too much when it seems a natural position to him.
Lyndon
They're probably the same people saying to play him on the wing when we were being linked with Huntelar, some people are never pleased
Red Raw
Id like to agree, his scoring record at Ajax proves it,
At the end of the day it will be however flexible he wishes to be that will determine whether he'll get goals i.e. Downing is quite rigid and sticks to the wing, Suarez drifts around alot so the difference should be minimal
Do you ever see suarez sticking to the one position?he will score wherever he plays...he scored from the wing in the last two games too
Have to agree. Whilst on paper Suarez is a central striker he does not solely play through the middle. He prefers a free roaming role. The introduction of Strurridge will better suit Luis as this will allow him more freedom to roam which is exactly what the doctor ordered. I believe as long as Sturridge understands his role then the two will combine to great effect.
I agree, Suarez will stay in the role he has now, everywhere!, if BR does try and confine him to one position he will be committing suicide bearing in mind the form he is in, regardless of Sturridge starting things shouldn`t change regarding suarez
You could put suarez in goal and he'd probably still find a way to score. trust in brendan
Surez seems to score more when shooting from an angle rather than direct on
05 Jan 2013 09:41:43
ed..mng..
great work..and great site..
who would you pick..if given an opportunity..
tom ince or kevin germio?
YNWA
Tom ince for me.
collins
Ince for me. Looks a real prospect.
Mighty reds
Both would be great!
BrisbaneLFC
05 Jan 2013 09:41:30
FSG are clearing the decks and now only sign players who really want to join us in low wages and fees
!!WARNING!!
NIT alert!
Lyndon
05 Jan 2013 09:29:59
Can people stop claiming ridiculous rumours such as "I heard of my dads friends brothers mother that we are going to sign ....." or "That we are going to buy Llorente, Alonso and Snejder". Brendan Rodgers is clearly keeping his transfer business more 'under wraps' than previous managers as we could see from the Sturridge deal. We also have a small January transfer kitty due to the fact that FSG are on a cost cutting mission.
Rodgers said "we might make one more signing" which as most people are aware is likely to be Ince from Blackpool or maybe a loan from abroad such as Jeffren. We are no longer a 'top 4 team' and don't have the wage budget to attract the top top players.
It's nice to dream, but it's better to be realistic
WillAD {Ed002's Note - You think the deal for Sturridge was kept "under wraps"?}
We did have a wage bill until these clowns took over i think norwich or wba would have been a better buy for them clubs happy to stay in the prem take the sky cash ahd jusy do emough they have no ambition that was proved in the summer and now jan our squad is paper thin but i forget they saved our club yeah right they saw it as a quick way of making a quick killing the club will be sold in 2 year time for a nice fat profit for fsg
But that is business lfc was in a bad way when they bought they sorted it out more or less and lets hope we get some multi billionaire lierpool fan to buy us up and spend like a drunk
05 Jan 2013 09:16:08
Alright eds?
Heard that if blackpool play Tom Ince today we can't use him in the cup if he were to sign. Would he refuse to play, do nothing or would his dad make sure he didn't play? Cheers
LFC Dan {Ed002's Note - Obviously the "cup tied" rule applies to all players.}
05 Jan 2013 08:37:40
Conor Coady should start against Mansfield.
Hes awful, not much difference between him and spearing
Coady is not gonna get game time ahead of henderson, shelvey, Allen or Lucas today. Lucas needs to get match fit after injury, and all of the other 3 are still fighting for a regular first team place.Gerrard should be rested.
midfield is our most well covered area of the squad and personally i think coady will struggle to break through right now.
05 Jan 2013 07:22:42
Wesley Sneijder at liverpool for 9.5 mill
05 Jan 2013 06:40:38
Liverpool r lookin for wide players like Thomas Ince and Grosskreutz. Reports suggest that Sturridge wanting to play a more central role wil push Suarez wide, which IMO is a bad idea, but lets hope for the best. So walcott is nvr a realistic target cos he wanna play the CF position too. And it is likely he'll sign a new contract r move elsewhere. Also Liverpool r tryin to sign a central midfielder(mostly in the summer) and may be someone on loan.
05 Jan 2013 06:16:34
Holtby to Spurs confirmed. Now we can put that one to bed
05 Jan 2013 05:58:28
When are Liverpool going to show ambition? Im not talking about signing 25 plus million pund players because we all know that this always doesnt work out! ( Aquaman and carrol)
But im on about young talent.
For me sturridge has talent but he wont go on to be a top prem striker. More like a Shola Ameobi.
Im on about Lewis Holtby.
Iv seen him play alot last season. And spurs have got him on a free! GRRRRRRRR
Jaz
You are unbelievable - did we try for him? - apparently we did - he chose to go to Spurs - how is that the fault of anyone at LFC.
A player has the right to choose FFS.
05 Jan 2013 10:51:01
Oh no, now that we've missed out on yet more young talent, we'll have to stick the past it Hendo, Jonjo, Allen, Suso, Sterling in the team again.
Do you think all these people watch these foriegn players or just read the tabloids?
WelshBoyDave
Why waste money on Lewis Holtby when we have our long term number 10 in Suso already?
BrisbaneLFC
Holtby isn't that good. No offense he is decent but there is nothing to say he can be a top prem striker.
Spurs recent buys haven't exactly set the prem alight have they, and we nearly bought them and wasted more money for our expectations.
We can't buy everyone.
05 Jan 2013 05:43:44
Hi eds just wondering when borini will be back in action and how do you think the signing of Sturridge will affect his game time and if he plays more central or wide. {Ed002's Note - Borini should be available for selection soon. Sturridge's signing will not be detrimental to Borini.}}
05 Jan 2013 09:46:40
what does 'detrimental' mean ed?
Detrimental = 'works against'
You've clearly got the Internet, google what it means
Red Raw
Can't wait to see Borini back. He'll transform our season, top 4 here we come.
Detrimental means to have a destructive or negative effect on something/one
05 Jan 2013 04:17:44
Liverpool r lookin for wide players like Thomas Ince and Grosskreutz. Reports suggest that Sturridge wanting to play a more central role wil push Suarez wide, which IMO is a bad idea, but lets hope for the best. So walcott is nvr a realistic target cos he wanna play the CF position too. And it is likely he'll sign a new contract r move elsewhere. Also Liverpool r tryin to sign a central midfielder(mostly in the summer) and may be someone on loan.
05 Jan 2013 01:57:09
Hi EDs and all,
Just a little observation/prediction
towards the end of the Sunderland game Joe Allen came on, but played in an advanced role; his prefered role
please dont shoot me down as this is my personal opinion but i believe Rodgers may have tried this change so that in the future we may well be able to accomade Sahin in his prefered role and push Allen further up, obviously taking into account whether Gerrard or Lucas play inparticular
Any Thoughts?
SR
05 Jan 2013 10:44:35
SR mate I'm afraid if you have seen Sahin playing for us his weak points are his lightweight and gets bullied of ball very easily. If he plays in deeper position and looses the ball then that will coast us goals and points.
The problem with sahin is his not suited in our style.Dortmund play counter attacking style which is completely different to what we play same with Alonso when Benitez played counter attacking footy in 2008/9 Alonso had his best season for us but now we play slow possession footy which Sahin gets found all the time
05 Jan 2013 13:19:37
Good reply there lad, it's nice to see a balanced, knowledgeable, sensible post by someone who understands the game, rather than personic, knee-jerk garbage from utter buffoons.
05 Jan 2013 01:38:52
If its true and FSG are only allowing BR to purchase Sturridge during the January transfer market then I'm sorry guys but that's just not good enough, hasn't the first half of this season meant anything to the owners? We are crying out for players, we have the thread bare squad which is evident in our quest for a top four position.
To only give BR one striker and expect him to be greatful for that is becoming a joke. If we continue with this current cost cutting exercise with regards the wage bill then yes we will have a financially better run club than of late, but at the same time we can kiss goodbye to achieving anything higher than 6th at the very best for the forseeable future.
I honestly believe BR is the victim of FSG mistakes in the transfer market to date (Suarez being the exception), and unfortunately for BR he is only going to be fed scraps to spend compared to our rivals and there already superior in depth squads. We need to understand that anything above 8th this season will be classed as success for BR.
Suarez says that he loves the club and signed a new contract before this season started, I bet if he scores another 18 goals in the second half of the season come the summer Suarez will be one of the hottest properties in world football, FSG know this and they WILL sell him to the highest bidder. Take Suarez out of Liverpool in the summer and we can expect another mid table position next season.
Mark my words if FSG don't add anymore quality additions that can compete for a first team position now during this January then we will continue to be a team on the slide and become a feeder club run by owners who have not got the clubs best interests at heart.
Liverpool deserves better than this, Mr. Warner said that we Liverpool FC would and will compete for anyone in the transfer market...... PROVE IT....
Wizard.
Ed..can u bann this guy....
no clue whatso ever...
how on earth has he criticized the owner..
after spending 120 mill in two season...what u expect from them?
dude..they are human being...have spend hard earned money on stuppid players...
if they were intellegent...they would have never sanctioned 36 mill for andy caroll..
you should be with levy or arsenal..
U need to chill ya bean kid stop getting carried away with speculation. Just wait and see. Rumours are rumours and that is all they are. Proven 95% of rumours on here, other sites and worst off all twitter are incorrect.
You can't blame the owners they have already forked out 42m this season so it was down to Rodgers and Ian Ayre on the players they bring in!
Why don't people just wait until the end of January to see who we bring in, before slagging people off for not making funds available!!
I will say this and stick to it. We will see at least 3 new faces before the window closes. Dan Stuffidge is 1 and so far that's a good bit of business.
FSG along with the team management know they have to strengthen, and do you honestly think they won't ? Why would BR come out in an interview and tell the media who his targets are ? Get a grip, he's going to say that there's not much money available as opposed to saying "I have 20 million and will bid for....Blah Blah" - Not going to do that is he ffs.......Wait until the window closes, and if the club haven't sppent any more money, then have your moan....Until then, STFU, it's boring
RD
ITs the owners
05 Jan 2013 00:55:43
Liverpool r lookin for wide players like Thomas Ince and Grosskreutz. Reports suggest that Sturridge wanting to play a more central role wil push Suarez wide, which IMO is a bad idea, but lets hope for the best. So walcott is nvr a realistic target cos he wanna play the CF position too. And it is likely he'll sign a new contract r move elsewhere. Also Liverpool r tryin to sign a central midfielder(mostly in the summer) and may be someone on loan.
05 Jan 2013 00:20:46
Not a rumour, more of an opinion Rodgers has spent 42m since he's arrived and how much of that has been spent on genuinely good player 0 is the answer in my opinion
Who would you have bought half a Ronaldo!! At least fill us in with your knowledge. List who has been available and who you would have signed.
Mike S
Borini has been injured so difficult to rate him...from what we've seen he's got pace and puts himself in the right areas...it'll be interesting when he returns. Allen was one of our best players at the start of the season, his performances dropped but it looks like he's on the up again...i think he has good potential. Not sure how you can rate sturridge when he's yet to play?
And I'm sure Brendan values your opinion a great deal.
He may even change his transfer policy just for you.
& the value of your opinion is coincidently 0
Sheldon cooper
05 Jan 2013 00:19:45
ed, br stated we will likely only see another one in likely ince a young talent for the future
we are so reliant on luis that if he gets injured we are in dire trouble really. with him fit i expect us to finish close to fourth spot but should he get injured we will slide.
considering this over reliance on one player do you think the club might seek out loan deals for experienced proven strikers in this window to add to sturridge. because even with the addition of sturridge who we are mostly divided upon and people dont know what they are going to get from him we are still looking very short of matchwinners if suarez isnt in there. i know we have borini who i expect to come good long term however its a big ask for him to fill luis s scoring boots in the event of an injury
tom1975 {Ed002's Note - Generally if a player goes on loan the expectation is that he will play. I can't recall anyone taking a player on loan just in case someone else gets injured. However, we do know that the has enquired for at least one player in respect of a loan.}
Hi Eds, you say if a player goes on loan the expectations he will play, Sahin may be injured now but definately isn`t expected to get a game, he is just cover for lucas, allen or gerrard so i`m not sure this is true regarding liverpool
just an observation
wardie {Ed002's Note - If there were not expectations that he would be playing neither Sahin or Real Madrid would have agreed to the loan.}
05 Jan 2013 00:18:29
Just a thought for all the quaresma lovers out there, in myopinion he is the foreign version of shaun wright phillips. Do you want that kind of player at liverpool?
Anonymouswoolback
05 Jan 2013 00:18:26
Have any of you seen the new Chevrolet advert? They have put lfc and mufc players faces together.
If you haven't seen it yet take a look its awful would be good to see what everyone else thinks about it.
PR disaster!
05 Jan 2013 00:17:57
Macca, do you think there be any more liverpool signings or loans coming in jan. your a legend mate
05 Jan 2013 00:01:51
hi eds and fans, could you explain to me please what fergie is upset about regarding fryer signing with spurs ?
thanks
hibsylfc {Ed002's Note - Because he moved out of England and no compensation was due to MUFC - if he had moved directly to Spurs it would have been.}
All the talk of 6million though frankly is nonsense as that's what Man Utd originally wanted but very unlikely a tribunal would have reached agreement on.
The three million touted now would have been more appropriate, but spurs originally pulled out of the tribunal only to come back in now..can't see what alcy nose fergie's hot under the collar for! maybe he thinks he's been beaten at his own game.....
Marshy
Ferguson lamenting ethics, oh the irony
Cuddles the ref
BAZINGA. aklfc
05 Jan 2013 00:10:14
Mirin, deal is supposedly close.
I believe one of the eds already called this one. Let's wait and see.
05 Jan 2013 00:03:30
Hi eds, im a little bit concerned about what rogers as said about the lack of signings in this window.so far we've brought 1 in an let 2 go.now with him saying on a number of ocasions during this season about how small the squad is, surly this is some sort of smoke screen as I would of thought wed be building on the squad as in making it a bit biger ans beter as time goes on.Would like to no ur thoughts.lv the site I'm on it everyday.all the best kopgray
04 Jan 2013 23:57:39
I can only see one more signing added to our attack and it most probably will be Ince.
Then we will have
Suarez, Sturridge, Downing, Borini, Sterling, Ince, Assaidi, and Suso.
There is only place for three up front so if we add anymore forwards to the above then Rodgers will have a problem with keeping everyone happy.
Max
Downing will be going
04 Jan 2013 23:54:54
Benat for me
Red American
Kevin germio...more relaistically for me...
isco or errikkson in the summer for me..as play maker...
with gerrard and lucas sitting deep to dictate play and break up the opposition..
isco or erriksson..will flood suarez with opportunities upfront
04 Jan 2013 23:50:01
hi eds just wondering is there any interest in wesley sneijder as he has hinted about the possibility of a move to england just wondering has there been any further action
cheers and i look forward to a positive year for liverpool
EMILE JETSKI {Ed002's Note - I am sure he would like to move to England.}
04 Jan 2013 23:48:29
i assume we have scouts working most of the major leagues in europe and south america.
if this is the case then why are sturridge and ince the only solid reported interest we have in this window.
what are the scouts actually doing, surely there must be players somewhere in europe or south america that suit the ethos brendan is trying to achieve
i m baffled by this
Perhaps they've been instructed to search for players that actually for our 'system' rather than just players with fancy names?
04 Jan 2013 23:45:05
Evening Eds, do you think there is any chance we may see any of the youngsters get a game on Sunday? Even if it's only from the bench. I mean players like Ibe or Sinclair as I feel both players could cope playing a game like this.
Thanks
04 Jan 2013 23:41:26
to the eds, are liverpool trying to force coates out of the club or are they just loaning him out to get some 1st team football, because i believe he will become a great defender, and will end up at one or the top 3 football teams in europe, you only have to watch him in the copa america where he won the young player of the tournament beating the likes of neymar and all that on his debut, its only my opinion but i feel that if we let him go we will live to regret it very much, it a bit like the tom ince situation, we should have given blackpool 6 million when they signed him, who ever is making these judgement calls need sacking, plus one good season in a lower league does not make you a top player, look at charlie adam {Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool are trying to force him out.}
Did you really mean what you have typed here ED 002, or was it a typo ?
Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - Sorry - the word "not" is missing Tel - at least someone reads this stuff.}