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05 Feb 2018 23:50:05
{Ed's Note - Firmane has posted a new article entitled, Tips for teams coming into the Premier League.
06 Feb 2018 03:29:49
Haha, got a few good laughs out of that Firmane.
Cheers!
06 Feb 2018 05:18:35
hahahaa Golden read that Firmane.
06 Feb 2018 10:06:34
Great little piece mate.
06 Feb 2018 10:29:24
Someone’s definitely broken into fat sams safe deposit box haha.
05 Feb 2018 22:53:18
Good for us that result tonight, I fully expected us to be 5th after that, well played Watford lol fantastic!
05 Feb 2018 23:00:51
4th sorry.
06 Feb 2018 10:31:50
Good game by Watford BUT you have to say, Chelsea might as well have not bothered cos as soon as the pen went in, they just checked out for the night.
05 Feb 2018 21:21:33
I know eds1 said his favourite pundit was Hanson and I agree but regarding today's favourite and worst pundits I love to hear fellow reds view.
I will start this off.
Best G Neville
Worst J Barton.
05 Feb 2018 21:32:54
Best: Gary Neville
Worst: Andy Townsend.
05 Feb 2018 21:38:35
Very few good ones for me. Lampard, Jenus, Gullit are the ones i can just about tolerate. Bilic when he did punditry in the euros i thought was quite good.
The ones i hate are just endless but it has to be paul merson as top knob. His solution to everything is 'they need to go out and spend money on top quality'. Jason cundy is also wrong on everything and detests liverpool, he spouts some truly amazing rubbish. Neil Custis is a very special kind of cretin. 'A fit andy carroll would be as good as kane for chelsea'. Need i say more?
05 Feb 2018 21:58:00
I do like Lampard. He’s intelligent, well spoken and thinks before he opens his mouth.
05 Feb 2018 22:01:06
Late great Jimmy Armfield nobody to touch him and probably never will be.
05 Feb 2018 22:05:23
I can’t think of any whose opinion I really respect.
So I’ll go for Roy Keane as my favourite because he’s always looking to stick the knife in to Alex Ferguson 😄.
05 Feb 2018 22:08:26
Jimmy Armfield was great. No sensationalism and very sensible, as well as having a wealth of knowledge and expertise within the game.
05 Feb 2018 22:19:15
Best: Hansen, Armfield, G Neville, Gray, Dixon, Keown, Murphy, Hoddle, Carragher
Worst: Jenas, Townsend, P Neville, G Crooks, Merson, Shearer, Ferdinand, Henry.
05 Feb 2018 23:50:53
Merson is tolerable for the opposite reasons to Lampard - he just blurts out whatever is on his mind at the time. Lampard and Merson aside, pundits in the UK are dreadful.
05 Feb 2018 23:28:38
Best for me was Gray but Neville runs him close and if carragher wasn’t so biased towards us all the time I think he would be more respected. Worst has to be Michael Owen, how that man is allowed to speak on camera is beyond me.
06 Feb 2018 01:04:26
The American Pundits aren't any better. Robbie Earle and Robbie Mustoe on NBCSN contradict themselves minute by minute. My two all time favorites are Tommy Smith ESPN in the 2000s, and if any of you have ever heard the guy on BeIn sports that does the color for La Liga, they are priceless.
06 Feb 2018 01:41:01
Worst: Michael Owen, Owen Hargreaves, Garth Crooks.
Best: Frank Lampard and Gary Neville plus Jamie Carragher, I also think Rio Ferdinand is starting to anyalse quite well.
Pundits I simply cannot stand: Robbie Savage and Alan Shearer
I will not mention commentators because I pretty much hate them all.
06 Feb 2018 04:48:50
BEST: any that speak a foreign language so i don't understand
WORST: any pundit on SKY, BT AND MOTD they are all dreadful, top of the bunch is owens.
06 Feb 2018 06:34:05
I just feel really sorry for the woman England's football team. We finally got him of our screens and unfortunately for the ladies they've got a right boring clueless numpty In charge.
06 Feb 2018 10:09:17
I like Chris Sutton and P Scholes. However P Neville is by far the worst pundit to have ever lived. Those poor England women. What we're the FA thinking?
06 Feb 2018 11:12:27
Phil Neville is without question the worst pundit ever, of all time! It’s incredible watching up haha hates Liverpool and quite clearly shows extraordinarily united affection when working a role that is meant to be non bias! But that’s not even the main problem with him he just talks utter garbage! Thierry Henry gives him a good run for his money, can’t believe sky sports have him up there as a top pundit.
06 Feb 2018 23:13:55
To be honest I think they are all useless. Doesn't matter if its Match of the Day, Sky Sports, Bt Sport, BEin sports, etc etc they all talk nonsense to generate views, cause controversy and hammer certain players and teams. I would not give any of them the time of day.
Only person I have seen who seemed quite knowledgeable and spoke anything half interesting was Liam Rosenior on a talk show style format related to all things football called 'The Debate'. He's well spoken and I think offers decent insights that are put across well. Sadly he is often paired with Paul Merson who is the polar opposite.
07 Feb 2018 06:34:55
A lot of the decision making behind who is a pundit is based on their followers on social media.
05 Feb 2018 21:17:16
The state of officiating in England is so poor. Deulofeu has done a Harry Kane and forced contact before throwing himself to the floor.
Bakayoko sent off for breathing on someone moments before.
This needs addressing now. There are huge financial implications resting on these embarrassing decisions. I actually feel sorry for Chelsea, it is that bad.
05 Feb 2018 21:33:47
They were both shockers. Stil, means Tim Lovejoy will be unhappy, so glass half full.
05 Feb 2018 22:04:54
The keepers momentum went through delefeou but he did make a meal of it, it was less of a dive than Kane last night though.
05 Feb 2018 22:37:10
With you, Den. Deulofeu's incident was more of a pen than Harry Kane's cos Harry Kane launched himself into the air and left a trailing leg that brushed Karius' shoulder. I think what Gk's need to be trained on a lot more now is for them to dive for the ball but pull their arms away at the last minute and slow down, all in one go. That way, the player who's already in the air will drag his foot on the turf with NO contact with the GK or none meaningful enuff to draw the foul. I remember Utd vs Swansea when Fabianski went in on Rashford and pulled his hands away and Rashford kicked him to get the contact. Tho a pen was given BUT Rashford was slaughtered for it. Just my opinion.
05 Feb 2018 23:28:56
I cannot believe any body thinks any different, yes Maybe a tad soft but both in today's game are stone wall pens. We had enough chances to beat spurs so let's refrain from putting the blame on officials.
06 Feb 2018 10:40:03
Hendo's bro, you are missing the point. The refs had no clue what they were doing. They were making decisions based on pure, pathetic guesswork as their damning convo on the first pen showed. Who gives decisions based on guess work? Incompetent clowns as refs, that's who. You don't give a pen if you are not sure and on both occasions they were NOT and why should they be? There was barely any if any contact. Both players dived and embelished which is what made the ref on the second one, waved it away only to be convinced by his lino who btw, had no clue if Lovs touched the ball on the first one and neither did the ref. So why give a pen when you don't even know if it is or not and the 4th official does not either? Why rely on a lino who is clueless and does not even know the offside rule in that situation on the first pen? That is the problem and if you can't see that then I'm sorry. Spurs are a good team and it was a battle which we would have won had the ref stuck to his first decision on the second pen cos he was not sure so he waved play on.
06 Feb 2018 11:09:56
I think Kanes and Deufelous are penaltys to be honest, the keepers shouldn't be committing themselves the way they have and initate the contact themselves by doing this. Its not a new concept and players have been doing this for years and keepers constantly present the opportuntiy to them to do this.
The only problem i had with the pens against us the other day were, they were both offside moments of play. Granted the second one is harder to spot and Virgil should have dealt with the ball in the first instance but hey ho its done and dusted a point is better than nothing!
06 Feb 2018 19:37:42
GBB, I agree that GK's should be smarter now BUT Kane was already in the air b4 Karius got to him so again, no pen and in fact, this whole thing does not even come up had the ref and lino not bungled the whole stuff by actually not knowing if Lovs touched the ball on the entry pass to an offside Kane. They decided to give the pen w/ o having the proper info which is bonkers, in itself.
06 Feb 2018 23:16:45
That's the problem with 'today's game' - the idea that any contact = penalty has turned football into a farce. This is not something that is unfixable either, the FA, the referees association, etc etc all need to come together and take a sensible approach to this. As it is you cannot have one game week without some sort of horrendous blunder or blatant dive.
And as for VAR? How can that possibly work when the officials (yes I'm looking at Jon Moss and that Linesman) do not even know the rules properly? Even with VAR they'd make the wrong decision but have the Referee's association back them up anyway. Whole system needs changing as both the standard of refereeing, as well as the interpretation of the laws of the game, is just woeful.
07 Feb 2018 10:08:47
Spot on, Seano. The refs don't even know the rules and if they did, they did not even have the right info to determine and enforce the rule. Result: Moss says he does not know if Lovs touched the ball and neither does any of his assistants or 4th official and YET, decides to give a penalty cos well, he can. That is the crap and rank incompetence that we had to be subjected to on Sun.
05 Feb 2018 20:34:52
Adam Lallana just been sent off for u23s away at spurs, straight red is it a two/ three game ban because it applies to prem games.
spurs winning 1-0 at present.
{Ed002's Note - One or three.}
05 Feb 2018 20:52:34
I just saw it, really stupid reaction to a challenge in the air, he should know better.
05 Feb 2018 20:54:09
It aplies to prem league games? You mean first team prem league? Wow didn't knew that.
05 Feb 2018 20:57:56
Did you see it? What an idiot? Like pathetic.
05 Feb 2018 21:18:20
It apparently does not apply to PL games.
05 Feb 2018 22:01:31
Was a real shame. From someone with so much experience to react like that, in and around the younger players too. Practically try to jump him and get him in a headlock.
05 Feb 2018 22:09:45
I presume they are worried about getting injured on their way back into the first team but a senior pro really should set an example to the kids and rise above it. Wiltshire did something similar earlier on in the season, if they are going to throw their toys out over a challenge we would be better of just not playing them in the u23s.
06 Feb 2018 00:13:48
WTF was he doing? Did that kid pull his pony tail or something? Lallana needs to get a hair cut and grow up.
Deserves a lengthy ban.
06 Feb 2018 02:31:08
Seems very out of character from Lallana, completely lost his head when he's suppose to be a role model for the younger players.
06 Feb 2018 07:17:55
Can only assume he kopped an elbow in the back of the head as I couldn’t see the full challenge. Perhaps the dude had being gong in rash on him all game? Did anyone watch it? Totally out of character to act like that but clearly unacceptable.
06 Feb 2018 10:11:51
Lallana's morphed into Joe Allen.
06 Feb 2018 23:20:06
Ridiculous reaction from a senior player. You would hope he would set a better example to the younger players.
07 Feb 2018 01:05:33
They were saying on LFCTV that it doesn't apply to first team games. Very out of character but I think the frustration of a solid year of injuries and setbacks just caused a bit of an explosion when he got hit on the back of the head. Poor display and never want to see that but at least we know he actually has some fire in him still.
05 Feb 2018 20:08:28
Seen a couple of posts in here regarding Emre Can and his ability to run a game.
Context- he is a 24 year-old midfield player playing in a side that concentrates more on attack than defence and has no senior pro's around him to support him through games.
In possibly the quickest, most physical league in the world.
If we didn't think he could perform that role we shouldn't have signed him. We did- and that's not his fault. We should support him not slate him.
For those with shorter memories tha same sort of points were raised with both Henderson and Lucas.
If he gets a pasting constantly for not running games single-handed my, no wonder he may want to jump ship.
05 Feb 2018 21:32:02
Ok. Harry Kane is the same age and is the world's best striker.
So age doesn't really matter.
He doesn't understand the game of football. Which is why he can't control a game. He doesn't have the calmness nor the mental skill to play in the middle. Poor positioning. Poor pace. The agility of the arc royal.
He runs in a straight line and sometimes it comes off in a tackle or a attacking move. That's it.
He just needs to go. Along with wijnaldum. both are awful awful centre midfielders.
05 Feb 2018 21:41:21
Can is not being singled out but you must agree this season he is having one good game in 4. The whole midfield is of a really poor standard. There is not one midfield player who is having a good season.
I think we will see an entirely new midfield next year.
05 Feb 2018 21:46:05
Its quite different being a forward versus in midfield, surely you can see the difference? Other thing for Can is he is naturally a box to box mid, which means the mental side of his game is still to develop to be effective in a more tactical role. That will take time.
05 Feb 2018 22:43:06
Can can't run a game cos that is not where his strength lies, at the moment. He is better as a box to box with someone behind him. Check the Hudd game last week where he was brilliant all game. Why? He had Hendo and Milner behind him. That "someone" behind him is the controller, the game runner who contrrols the tempo, something Can is not good at yet as he lacks the tactical awareness, positioning and mental ability to play there right now. There is a reason Hendo plays ahead of him when fit. It is cos Hendo has the above qualities and Can does not for now.
Also last season where he stepped up big time for us to get top 4, he was also in the box to box role with Lucas protecting behind him. If you want Can to run a game then you are asking to do something he simply cannot do right now so it is unfair to conclude as a result, that he can't run a game.
05 Feb 2018 23:16:46
In his defence he was signed by a different manager playing a very different style of football.
06 Feb 2018 00:12:12
The problem I have with Can is that we're making the same excuses for him at 24 that we were making at for him at 21. Will we be making them when he's 26? Or 28? I don't insist on a 24 year old player being the finished article, but I would like him to have noticeably and consistently improved since he was 21. I don't really see that from Can.
And the intensity of the PL isn't an excuse for him when he's made over 100 PL appearances at this stage. He's not new to the league. If he's not suited to it now, he won't ever be.
Reality is that Can needs to do better than a few bits and pieces of quality here and there, 24 or not.
06 Feb 2018 00:15:28
His positioning and awareness has always been poor and probably always will.
Not good enough for our midfield ðŸ¤.
07 Feb 2018 01:07:04
Your post massively falls down on one big, important point - quite often when he is in the right position, has the moment to do the right thing, he completely screws it up and then fails to even try and make amends. That is nothing but a lack of effort, and that is his fault.
05 Feb 2018 16:42:13
I don't care what we do at the minute, as long as we stay WELL clear of Jack Wilshire.
05 Feb 2018 17:07:06
But the clubs physio is just sat there with nothing to do now studge has gone and Hendo is back. Don’t you feel sorry for him? He needs work just like the rest of us.
05 Feb 2018 18:53:04
Spot on, Mikey. We have to keep the physio in a job, really. But seriously, Wiltshere is a HUGE NO.
05 Feb 2018 19:21:23
Yeah with you on that, take away the fact he’s never fit he’s also vastly overrated for me.
05 Feb 2018 19:42:10
If you kept him fit he’s a great player, I know it’s an if but isn’t he out of contract in the summer? If he wasn’t demanding huge wages and was happy with a rotational role in the team he could be good business to snap up, especially with can leaving your getting in both Keita and a free Wilshire then in the summer.
05 Feb 2018 20:00:37
Great player? Jak, you’re delusional lad. He’s had one good game in his career ever. He’s a very average footballer who gets column inches because he is English and plays for a London club, he contributes little, his vision and awareness is non existent and he lacks shooting ability. He can’t tackle and is injury prone. Tell me one reason to waste a salary on him?
05 Feb 2018 20:04:45
Its all about opinions Mr Dennis boys.
05 Feb 2018 20:09:39
But like Henderson then.
05 Feb 2018 20:26:09
Dublingunner, except Henderson can actually tackle and as evidenced by the thunderb*stard he scored against Chelsea, he can shoot.
05 Feb 2018 20:34:14
Yes I forgot 1 nice goal makes you a great player. Did wilshere not get goal of the season for his goal against Norwich? By your logic that makes him the best player. Not saying wilshere is a class player but take of the blinkers mate Henderson is no world beater either.
05 Feb 2018 20:44:45
I’m not saying Henderson is, but at least Henderson can actually tackle and shoot, as far as I’m concerned we should be dodging Wilshire because he’s just not very good and won’t improve our midfield, notwithstanding the fact he’s barely ever fit.
05 Feb 2018 21:09:11
If klopp signs wilshere it confirms my suspicions, Klopp wants the sack. 😂😂.
05 Feb 2018 21:59:54
Henderson can't shoot. 1 goal a season doesn't count. There are hundreds of players who have scored the odd screamer. I once scored a 30 yarder top corner for the county under14's doesn't mean I can shoot.
05 Feb 2018 22:50:57
Gunner fan and Jak, Wilshere was well ahead of Hendo in the England setup 4/ 5 years ago and now, Hendo is capt. of LFC and for several games, capt. of England. He blazed past Wilshere since the 13/ 14 season where he was instrumental to us nearly winning the PL. What was Wilshere doing during all that time? Getting injured and messing about smoking at clubs and bars.
Hendo plays a new postion where he is very good when fit and in form. Wilshere is the best of a bad bunch at Arsenal (Xaka? Pls, the guy is useless) who can't tackle and who is the darling of The Whinger. Wilshere is NOT a patch on Hendo and and his ability to score goals is a false argument as his job is to help protect the back four so a goal a season (esp. a candidate for goal of the season last season) is not bad. Matic does not score goals either so again, a non argument. Mascherano scored one goal in his 3 seasons at LFC from DM position so why should there be a diff. measuring stick for Hendo?
05 Feb 2018 23:43:40
Also notice the moment we fell apart against spurs. just after hendo left the pitch. The guy is massively unmoderated. holds, protect, talks and organises. also has a tremendous passing range. for example him or dier. hendo all day long.
Btw I Wilshire is a good good player. injuries aside he would be established top notch player by now. Why has this forum just become about slagging players off.
06 Feb 2018 02:43:44
I think wilshere has shown glimpses of his potential this season and I think we could do worse.
05 Feb 2018 01:57:52
So would you all change your views if Klopp signs him. Klopp like midfielders who can run with the ball. Wilshere is brilliant at it. Lol what did you learn from the signing of Wijnaldum if any? With Klopp in charge anything could be possible!
06 Feb 2018 10:44:12
Baby, Klopp also like mid's who can press and work hard out of possession. Wilshere ticks NONE of those boxes. If Klopp signs him, fine. It is his cross to bear BUT let's not call Wilshere a great player just cos Klopp may want to sign him. He will have to prove it to us and at Arsenal right now, he has not proven a darn thing.
06 Feb 2018 21:46:56
Dennis
I ll give you two reasons.
1. We signed Wijnaldum
2. We signed AOC
There is a very good chance we might have sign Jack. He runs with the ball and Klopp like runners!
06 Feb 2018 22:03:36
Dennis it’s abojt opinions I gave mine calmly while your throwing to scream urs down everyone’s throat, we get it your not a fan of his, I personally think he has some good qualities as a player and if he put together a long run of being fit he might prove some people wrong, hey he might not either and might prove me wrong but sure what can u do that’s football!
07 Feb 2018 01:09:47
When Wilshere was a 18/ 19 year old prospect, he was a creative young player with the determination to get to every ball and an eye for a pass. Since then he has not improved at all, has been physically set back by his injuries, shown a complete inability to learn anything that will improve his game at all or protect himself from injuries and demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt that he has no intention of ever living like an athlete.
05 Feb 2018 14:06:15
Have to give it to the lad salah he looks a class player, I wasn't convinced when you signed him he'd turn out to be so good. Question is tho how long can you hold onto him? No top 4 this year and he'll down tools in my opinion but can you see him sticking around for the best part of his career if it's only top 4 without challenging for the top honours?
05 Feb 2018 14:25:18
*no top 4 for Arsenal.
05 Feb 2018 14:25:23
he ain't no sanchez mate he won't be downing tools anytime soon you can be sure of that.
05 Feb 2018 14:33:39
Ozil has 😉.
05 Feb 2018 14:58:50
It does not take much to beat Everton 5-1 nowadays dublingunner.
05 Feb 2018 15:01:21
And you know Salah will down tools how, exactly? We'll handle Salah thank you very much. You guys just focus on doing Spurs, okay? I propose you stick to your club regarding players downing tools cos you guys are in way more trouble than you think.
05 Feb 2018 15:17:33
Jeez Louise one gunner comes and we become the the saltiest guys on earth, chill dudes! Seriously.
05 Feb 2018 15:25:39
im a realist DG, imo salah will be headhunted by real Madrid this summer even if we finish 2nd, I only hope he will give us 1 more season, it also depends who we sign in the summer, however as ed002 often reminds us players come and go all the time. He has been truly superb, god knows what his final goals total will be.
{Ed002's Note - It was Salah who had his agent approach Real Madrid not the other way around.}
05 Feb 2018 15:41:28
Definitely a few bites there 😄.
05 Feb 2018 15:54:02
top clubs will always be interested in top players, salah's stats are incredible, real Madrid will be having a clear out come the summer, mo salah is bound to be a target, not trying to cause trouble just facing facts.
05 Feb 2018 15:56:44
A few guys on their period today i think.
05 Feb 2018 16:11:25
Thing is Dublingunner, I think there was always a good player in Salah, just that he was treated unfairly by Mourinho.
05 Feb 2018 16:22:52
Salah hasn't even been here a season and his agent has contacted Madrid about a move. Do you think the agent acts without his clients say so. Unfortunately salah is using us has a stepping stone I just hope when Madrid come knocking we demand coutinho money for him aswell. It's disgusting to think we have become a stepping stone club but I can't blame players for wanting to win trophies. And we simply don't win any with consistency.
05 Feb 2018 16:35:18
Fatboy that’s just how it goes. If Salah leaves for Madrid as long as we get a good price and replace him with top quality then it’s fine.
{Ed002's Note - In answer to Fatboy - Salah had his agent approach Madrid - I should not need to explain the same thing over and over.}
05 Feb 2018 17:51:14
ED2 haha I think we all have it drilled into us that salah through his agent approached Madrid first, we are just saying that if in the summer Madrid decide to call Salah back then he might leave, or even if Salah reaches out to Madrid again in the summer.
{Ed002's Note - His agent has had more than one discussion with them and Salah has spoken to a couple of third parties asking advice. We know this and it is nothing new.}
05 Feb 2018 17:30:01
Your career is in your own hands as they say, if Salah sees Madrid as the pinnacle and that this summer will be his best chance of getting that move then who are we to say he shouldn't persue it. As long as he is giving 100% while he's here of course.
05 Feb 2018 18:23:03
I think Salah thought the players already at Liverpool were better than they are. He has come in and set the league on fire and set new scoring records, but we still have a massive fight on just to get 4th.
No wonder he is asking about Madrid. I hope we can improve a lot in the summer and he will stay another year. There is no we could get anyone to fully replace him.
{Ed002's Note - His worry is not the Liverpool players but something else. Liverpool will resist selling.}
05 Feb 2018 18:25:10
As you say Ed. Transient employees. As long as we replace with quality then it’s not an issue. As it is, Salah has been brilliant this season.
{Ed002's Note - He has done very well indeed.}
05 Feb 2018 18:29:12
Which he without a doubt is doing so. He is giving his all and his numbers don't lie. We need quality players who see us as the pinnacle and not a stepping stone. You only get that kind of mentality from youth players who come right through the ranks to the first team a la trent. Just want us to win a trophy and become the club players want to win trophies at. not too much to ask.
05 Feb 2018 18:47:02
yes Salah has had a great season so far, but I think that there is room for improvement, sometimes his first touch is not great, his passing could be better,
if he does stay another season, he will become a better player,
moving to Real Madrid is not the best move for him, they are having a real, forgive the pun, bad season,
they have two players who we have looked at, they maybe the selling club .
05 Feb 2018 18:47:59
Yous have to be the most bitter fans going I only asked a simple question and gave praise to salah and get abuse of how useless arsenal are. Get over yourselves yous haven't exactly being pulling up tress in recent years.
{Ed002's Note - They don't understand "banter" so tend to struggle with fans of any other club DG.}
05 Feb 2018 18:59:46
When you get a special player like that you should build a proper defence, buy a world class keeper. Do everything to become a top top side. In the January Transfer market we had that opportunity, failed, we need to do it in summer or he will simply leave.
{Ed002's Note - What "world class" keeper was going to join Liverpool in January?}
05 Feb 2018 19:54:42
How have madrid responsed Ed? Is he a player they may look to?
{Ed002's Note - He is seen as an option.}
05 Feb 2018 20:05:27
By the way Dublingunner I think you got the better deal bringing in Mkhitaryan for Sanchez. Mourinho will turn Sanchez into a left back, while Mkhitaryan looks like he’ll strike up a good understanding with Aubemeyang again because he’s playing for a coach who likes playing football not a coach who plays anti football. Hope you turn Spurs over next week too btw.
05 Feb 2018 20:35:48
Doesn't matter wat mourinho does to sanchez he is a world class player and undoubtedly his departure makes arsenal weaker.
05 Feb 2018 20:49:17
But you brought in Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan which makes up for it if they both reignite their partnership they had at Dortmund, which there is a reasonable chance of considering you guys actually pay football, m you also might get some schadenfreude if it all goes belly up for Sanchez, so win win?
05 Feb 2018 21:01:55
"His worry is not the Liverpool players but something else. "
What do you mean ed?
{Ed002's Note - Read the post above.}
05 Feb 2018 21:34:55
To become a good team again we can't sell our best players you need to add to the team not just make up for the loss of your best player. Arsenal and Liverpool are in the same boat in that respect.
05 Feb 2018 22:10:29
Salah should apply for the Madrid manager’s job, definitely a vacancy on the cards there.
If he wants to play for that shower then good luck to him, we’ll get a huge fee and he’ll end up as a bit part player ðŸ¤.
05 Feb 2018 22:14:11
You are right Dublin. Hope our situation changes in the summer. Top 4 will be very important. Good luck to Arsenal at the weekend.
05 Feb 2018 22:53:36
Spot on, Ed. I have been asking the same question re: signing a world class GK in January and am yet to get an answer.
06 Feb 2018 02:13:10
Why did salah ask his agent to approach real? If its not about our level of football.
I don't know why players keep looking to leave Liverpool. You don't hear this much with our rivals, spurs arsenal Chelsea and utd. Players need to honour their contracts and be pleased they are playing for football royalty. Even winning champions league won't stop it. Last time we won it we lost loads of good players soon after.
06 Feb 2018 16:57:41
Spurs - Bale, Arsenal - Sanchez, Chelsea - Hazard, ManU - C Ronaldo.
The top players all get tempted. Ok Hazard hasn’t gone yet but there has been plenty of rumours.
This is not peculiar to LFC. Transferring generates income for players and agents. It’s not going to stop so better just adapt and move on.
05 Feb 2018 11:32:42
{Ed's Note - If you missed it, Seano_ posted an article entitled, How I saw the LFC v Spurs game
05 Feb 2018 12:23:56
Seano it is a well written piece I enjoyed reading it. I agree with 90% of the article.
05 Feb 2018 19:05:27
yes really good post by Seano, and he has mostly got it right, if we had got the 2nd goal first half, and Hendo had stayed on for the 90 mins,
if the linesman had not overuled the ref, giving them a very late pen, which is indeed a rare thing, the ref was only yards away and shouted play on,
it all rested on that throw in, and I don't think we defended it very well, we had players standing there doing nothing, the Ox was just ball watching,
and then, most important, it was not a PEN,
but the draw was in a way not too bad a result,
and we move on .
05 Feb 2018 20:23:35
Happy, lots and lots of ifs there.
06 Feb 2018 02:18:48
Thanks for all the responses - I know there was a ton on the first link posted an I'm too up the wall to respond - also thanks to the Ed's for making it an article, was just meant to be a post but I guess the sheer length of it kind of forced your hands! Hope we pick up maximum points in our upcoming games, really need to start building some strong momentum.
06 Feb 2018 21:33:36
If Kane had scored that goal, there was no way back for us from that point! Thank god he missed the penalty which lifted the crowd and the momentum. Did we even touch the ball in the second half? Never seen a team come GK Anfield and completely dominate us!
05 Feb 2018 11:01:08
Ed001, i just wanted to check you were okay mate.
That game looked like a real heart attack at times. You watch them again though before your review! How's the ticker holding up!?
{Ed001's Note - I haven't had a chance to watch it again yet, so I am ok. I do agree though, it was not a watch that was good for my heart!}
05 Feb 2018 15:57:23
its not good for my heart or hairline!
05 Feb 2018 16:17:33
Ed01, will you be doing a review of yesterday’s match?
{Ed001's Note - yes mate, might not be today though as I haven't had a chance to rewatch it today.}
05 Feb 2018 09:52:37
A while ago I questioned the club's partnership with Tibet water company and its association with a regime with shocking human rights. I now see the club has partnered with a Canadian petro chemical company. I see they're not learning Ed002.
{Ed002's Note - Not they are not.}
05 Feb 2018 10:25:03
It’s like we are going around the world giving sponsorship contracts to companies that no one else will touch cause they are morally dodgy. The mind boggles.
05 Feb 2018 10:51:36
Have any of you ever bought clothes or anything else in a store called (not sure if I can name it directly, so it sounds like Drimarc) at any point of your lives?
If you still do, you should check out their manufacturing set up in foreign countries - I would say it resembles child slave labour, but who am I to say so.
Makes me sick, but we have zero control on such things in business, cause that's what football is now first and foremost.
{Ed001's Note - we have all the control, we can choose to take our business elsewhere.}
05 Feb 2018 11:21:56
I followed that logic Ed001 when i recently tried to go vegetarian to aid in the fight against animal cruelty. First time i went into a supermarket and realised that meat was still on the shelf, it made me realise how small and insignificant we are as individuals. I bought a pack of bacon and got over it.
I might give it another go but i just don't see how we can make a difference when 90-95% of the world don't care. So ultimately you just punish yourself to have no impact.
It's not like any of us are realistically going to boycott football 100% until it changes. I have enough stress without making the world's problems my own! Perhaps I'm just selfish. Apologies for my previous post on this thread by the way. I realised as soon as i hit send that considering where you are based it was a bit silly to bring that up.
{Ed001's Note - how is it punishing your self not to buy crap from Primark etc? As for animal cruelty, vegetarianism is not better for animals as we only have cows, sheep etc for their meat, so they would need culling if everyone went veggie.}
05 Feb 2018 11:28:51
Done many years ago mate (from my buying clothes point of view) .
Sadly, exploitation is rife in business from top to bottom, almost like how performance enhancing drugs are rife in most pro sports now.
Money causes us to do some crazy, crazy $h! t, but when it affects innocent kids, it's time to draw a line.
05 Feb 2018 11:32:35
Primark is all i can afford mate 😂
Good point though Ed. Cows would be in the natural history museum if we were all vegan.
"Exhibit 52: T-Rex"
"Exhibit 53: T-Bone"
{Ed001's Note - buy cheap, buy twice....}
05 Feb 2018 12:34:50
What I don't understand is that JH has taken a noble stand in Boston in renaming a street named after the former owner who was an alleged racist in the '50's and '60's and yet he turns around and does business like this.
05 Feb 2018 14:00:21
We will be getting sponsored by the galactic empire next with pre season friendlies played on the Death Star.
05 Feb 2018 16:41:14
Okay, now this may be me being entirely uninformed, but exactly what is the problem with this tie-in? As far as I can see this is a company that creates transmission and engine fluids and lubricants. They are not ravaging baby seals, they are not mining blood diamonds. They are a lubrication company. Why is it so wrong to be sponsored by them?
I can't find any reports online that state that they are responsible for any natural disasters, that they permit gross exploitation of workers, that they practice irresponsibly in any way.
The world wants these products, in fact the world needs these products.
They are no different than any other industrial business.
But I am happy for someone to explain to me exactly why we should be ashamed of ourselves in this.
05 Feb 2018 18:58:59
Why is a petrochemical company necessarily ‘dodgy? I am guessing you all fill up your cars, and use all manner of oil derivatives? And why is this worse than all the clubs who happily take the shilling of gambling and beer companies?
{Ed002's Note - Nobody is suggesting it is worse - the thread was regarding a host of commercial deals that the club has.}
05 Feb 2018 22:13:45
Is there some shocking human rights abuse going on in Canada then? 🤔.
06 Feb 2018 00:34:26
Gee, didn't think this many would respond. Many of you are correct, one individual makes little difference in the stand they take. I choose to live my life in the best way I can. Whether that's being mindful of where I buy my clothes to being nice to the bloke next to me on the train. I believe this is the major difference we can realistically make to make the world a better place.
Liverpool football club is a world brand. I believe the club, with it's vast reach and influence, has a moral obligation to also be mindful of the decisions it makes and the example it sets. Surely we should be focused on quality not quantity. Imagine if the club had just a handful of high profile sponsors/ partners instead of signing deals left, right and centre with whoever throws money at them?
In regard to petro-chemical companies. Whilst the company itself may proud and upstanding, it's a worldwide practice that in general is not doing the planet and its future people any favours when there are better options out there.
Who would love to see the club sign up with a renewable energy company, even if they couldn't pay as much as a petro one?
05 Feb 2018 10:09:27
I was always a Migs apologist, I didn't think he was as bad as everyone made out and I didn't think our alternatives would be an improvement. However, Karius had come in and, at the very least he's been fine and possibly he's improved us. I certainly don't think he's the answer yet but I'm interested to see what he can show us between now and May.
Yesterday I was astonished at what Redknapp said in the commentary though. Whilst Karius maybe should have caught it to say that punch was terrible was ridiculous. It was confident and the ball was cleared a long way from goal. Any criticism was the result of a stunning strike by Wanyama, nothing would have been said if it wasn't for that.
This is definitely a situation where Karius had been unfairly criticised.
05 Feb 2018 10:16:53
Agree with that PR. It was a good punch which cleared a long way out. Typical Redknapp. Spuds spuds spuds. blah blah. Give credit where it’s due rather than looking for blame. It was travelling at speed and a good goal. Not as good as Susos tho hey ed1 😜.
05 Feb 2018 10:34:42
The problem is that it wasn't exactly a thunderbolt of a cross and he kind of fell into the cross, a little quicker foot movement and he could of took it mid rift, jmo.
05 Feb 2018 10:49:37
Spot on, Putney. The issue is that and Ed01 has alluded to this, GK's are no longer drilled to catch balls in those situations anymore. This is in fact the case now. Karius yes, may have caught it BUT he does not know who may be around him so he gets a good fist on it and punches it 25 to 30 yards away. To me, that is job done. If Wayanma scores a goal that NO GK can save, how is that Karius' fault? Those Sky Sports hacks have it out for this kid, IMO.
Karius has always been more talented than Migs and light year ahead of him, really. He just needed to focus on his job and get chances to shine and improve. We'll see if he's the answer as you say. As for the TV hacks, I stopped listening to them esp. the Sky ones (Carra the worst, IMO) cos they seem to have already agreed before the show that Karius would make mistakes and the knives were already sharpened. Well to their demise, he was more than solid with a pen save to boot BUT they got to criticize something so there you are.
05 Feb 2018 14:03:48
Personally I think he could probably have caught the ball, but notwithstanding that, the midfield should have picked up the second, ball, only it just goes to show that there is a massive black hole in our midfield. Karius did have a good game overall.
05 Feb 2018 17:58:39
If we are going to place some blame It has to be the ox whilst it was a wonderstrike he should of been tracked by chambo enough that the ball was either disposessed, blocked or even just put under pressure.
05 Feb 2018 18:30:05
He was back on his feet when Wanyama hit it. No'one would have saved that.
05 Feb 2018 10:03:28
I know Salah was magical but i just wanted to take a moment to praise Karius.
Good commanding of his area, some good saves down low etc. The Dembele and Son saves were amazing stops. The Dembele one especially is the type of shot that has consistently been beating Mignolet for 5 years.
You could argue for the Wanyama goal, that Karius's punch was in the wrong direction and that he was slow to get up, but you have to look at Can, Ox and i think it was Robertson for me. Can for a careless little flick to lay Wanyama off, Ox for letting Wanyama breeze past him, and Robertson for turning his back on the shot. Three players had the chance to prevent that shot going straight back in and not one of them did their job so you can't really blame Karius fully. It was also just a really well struck shot. Wanyama hasn't scored a goal like that since he did it for Celtic against Barcelona about 5 years ago!
The reason i want to praise Karius is for his bravery. Having just conceded a penalty because of an offside Kane diving, it was down to him to save the game for us. He said after the game that he'd been through Kane's penalties with the analysts and that they found Kane goes down the middle sometimes in big games. Okay, game on.
So Karius has a decision to make. By standing still in the middle of the goal he believes he is giving himself the best chance to stop it. However he also knows that if he concedes a penalty and then doesn't even dive to try a stop it as it goes into a corner, he will be slaughtered again by the media for standing still. He could've just taken the easy way out and dived either direction, and just blamed the fact it shouldn't have been a penalty, that a keeper cannot be expected to save a penalty, and generally played the victim card. But he had the bravery to risk looking like an absolute muppet in front of the Kop.
Karius saving that first penalty gave our lads the confidence to kick on and score again, and took the wind out of Spurs sails. If that first penalty goes in, Spurs shut up shop and we lose 2-1. By tomorrow we'd have been in 5th place. Karius's bravery to back himself in a high pressure situation has potentially given us the edge in the race to qualify for the CL. It should have give us the win had an offside Lamela not deliberately blocked Van Dijk from clearing the ball and subsequently thrown himself to the floor.
Karius then had the sense on the second penalty to know Kane wouldn't go same place again, and therefore it was a 50/ 50 gamble.
I just thought that after all the stick he's had, Karius deserves to take the credit when he keeps our season alive.
Our whole team was brilliant yesterday from what i saw. A dodgy penalty robbed us though. Southampton, West Ham and Newcastle in the league next. Time to open up a gap.
05 Feb 2018 10:18:45
I've just written a post defending Karius and I'll agree the Son save was top goal keeping but I think you're going overboard with the Karius penalty save. It was an awful penalty that any keeper should save. Ignore what Karius said about analysing Kane, to me it looked like he was going to dive but had so much time he was able to change his mind. Credit for the rest of his performance but the penalty was nothing special.
05 Feb 2018 10:24:05
once again a good post mate
I feel the ox sub was also crucial as Mane was pinning him back but when he went off their right back became very influential and really attacked robertson.
Also Henderson going off (I know he was maybe tired) gave them the midfield stranglehold.
05 Feb 2018 10:45:35
I think you're downplaying the bottle required to stand still at a penalty Putney. Ask any keeper and it is the hardest decision to make, because if it goes in the corner it looks like you just could not be bothered to try and make a save. I've only ever played in goal casually in training games or 5-7 a side. But not diving from a penalty is a very brave decision.
I'll agree to disagree though buddy. At least we agree that Karius had a good game! I did see it, and gave your post a thumbs up.
05 Feb 2018 10:52:34
We had already been under pressure for a good 10 minutes before Henderson went off. The midfield as usual can't control a game.
We had only a third possession in the second half, the midfield couldn't play 2 passes together. When we got the ball we just panicked and hoofed in forward for Salah. We have to change the way we play we can't just charge around in the first half and try to hang on in the second half. At one nil up we should be keeping the ball and letting Spurs run around but we don't have the players in midfield that have the ability to play that way.
Rotation hasn't worked at all in terms of keeping the players fresh, Spurs had a lot more energy in the second half.
05 Feb 2018 11:00:34
Agree with both MK and PR here. For the record, I always knew Karius had the backbone needed to succeed. How? He had the guts to give it to Neville and Carra when they went after him in a bullying manner. That is when I knew the kid has got b*lls. Also Ed02 said some German clubs came for him for a loan in the summer and he rejected them all to stay and fight for his place.
When he was getting hammered by the media and the shameless LFC fans, he said NOTHING in the media, kept doing his job and kept waiting cos he would always get his chances as Migs would screw up again. He just needed to get games and have that ONE game, that IT moment and yesterday was the time. Had he saved that pen and with that save, he has kept our season alive and kept Spurs behind us. He deserves full marks for that. As for his analysis of Kane, GK's do that all the time so no new info there. In fact, it would be criminal if he did not do his homework. Credit to the lad, tho. On to Saints.
05 Feb 2018 11:07:44
Spot on, MK. Karius has done his confidence a huge boost with that performance. The kid's got bottle as you say, lots of it.
05 Feb 2018 11:28:41
BRover, i agree as it is just a really risky thing to do that takes serious bottle. If you dive but leave a leg or a hand behind you might not get enough behind a central penalty to stop it, and you are then on the floor for the rebound. Plus if it goes high down the centre, leaving a leg behind won't help at all.
Karius stood up strong though and 100% backed his belief and the analysts data, that Kane would hit it down the middle. Imagine if Kane had spotted it in the corner and he'd just stood there? Carragher nd Neville would have their knives out already!
This is the reason why players like Vardy and Kane hit it straight down the middle. Lampard did it a lot too. They know full well that most keepers are scared to look the fool by not moving. Karius showed none of that fear and reaped the rewards.
05 Feb 2018 11:48:17
Spot on, MK. Carra and Redknapp and all the other anti-LFC hacks would have been howling to the moon for weeks had he just stood there. You know these guys are never wrong, lol.
05 Feb 2018 15:37:22
Can’t disagree that it was the way that the second ball was dealt with that caused the goal directly, as well as the acres of space that Wanyama was in as opposed to a mistake by Karius as he can be happy with his afternoons work in general. I think the game exposed our weaknesses in midfield more than any particular faults with Karius.
05 Feb 2018 16:13:03
MK is 100% right on this, there is no 'agree to disagree' I'm afraid. Karius knew where Kane was going to put it and didn't talk himself out of it, didn't try and hedge his bets and risk not getting enough on it, he did what he believed would work and deserves credit for it. And if more keepers were interested in doing the right thing rather than looking like doing the right thing, they might be better at their jobs - going with the data for penalties is one example but not throwing themselves at balls they will never in a million years get to, and therefore staying in position to collect any rebound if it hits the post of something, is a more common one. It takes bravery to not mind being seen to do nothing when doing nothing is the right thing to do.
05 Feb 2018 16:12:34
A buddy if robo had of blocked that shot from the spurs lad he would be in Walton hospital recovering . Only for the net that ball would just be slowing down now.
05 Feb 2018 19:16:39
If Spurs had not got that very dodgy pen, and we had won that game, then both Salah and Karius would be heroes now, and Kane would not be in the headlines,
thought that Rednapp over did the Kane 100 goals bit after the game,
sometimes, its North V the South on Sly TV .
05 Feb 2018 10:00:52
I saw someone saying how pundits said Lamela was definitely fouled on some analysis after the game and the poster was angry about that.
What we need to keep in mind is who these individual pundits are, what they did in their career in these situations themselves i. e. Thierry Henry is a pundit for Sly, if there's a contentious handball incident in the future that he has to analyse, how can we take him seriously doing so when he himself famously intentionally did so in a very big international match a few years back, then sat on the pitch with the team he cheated - may as well ask Maradonna for his opinion.
Diving and other cheating tactics has become part of the game over the last 15 years or so (especially), it is the authorities' fault for not stamping it out at the time - I remember it was even brought into an official FIFA video game when I was a kid, talk about glamourising it FIFA, well done there lads?!
Cheating needs to be stamped out, Gerrard used to annoy me to my deepest roots diving for pens a few years ago - he was one of the worst, the law makers need to either make this a completely non-contact sport or crack down on all diving cheaters.
05 Feb 2018 10:12:05
Even though I think both pens were dives Souness and Carragher thought they were both fouls.
There's no conspiracy against Liverpool.
05 Feb 2018 10:33:36
Don't think there's a conspiracy at all lol.
It was just awful assistant refereeing in my opinion as he couldn't have been 100% clear.
05 Feb 2018 11:05:42
Flidby, no one is saying that and to my mind, Souness and Carra (who rarely has anything good to say about Klopp, mind you) cannot say they were dives YET say they were fouls. Both cannot be correct at the same time. The first pen is not even worth the time as it was offside based on Law 11 (page 22) of the offside law.
On the second, the ref saw it and waved it away as play acting until the linesman (who missed a blatant Lamela offside prior) convinced him of seeing from 25 yards away, what the ref did not see from 10 yards out. We got robbed by two clueless clowns who let the game get away from them and don't even know the offside rule and had to ask Eriksen if Lovren touched the ball. Yeah, that happened. If you have to do that as a ref then, you need to be sacked as a PL ref.
05 Feb 2018 15:37:45
Worse the the 2 clowns on the pitch was the so called refereeing expert dermot Gallagher, who agreed and indeed praised them on their work. Considering he had all replays of the incidents before commenting!
05 Feb 2018 16:14:09
I seem to remember when it came out in the FIFA game is was essentially a trap - when someone broke into the code they realised it had something ridiculous like a 99.99% chance of getting a yellow card for it. Similarly there was a foul button, but it was a trap - you got called up for it basically every time. It seemed like a promotion of the tactic but the reality was it was meant to be a 'crime doesn't pay' type message. Sadly it didn't really work because no-one remembered the 1000 times you were carded for it, you remember the glorious moment you win the CL final when it worked.
05 Feb 2018 19:20:25
seems to me that the pundits on Sly Sports have a certain agenda, and they would prefer that Liverpool were not top dogs, we just have to prove them wrong .
07 Feb 2018 01:17:26
Happy - I hope you aren't implying that another part of the media empire owned by the owner of the S*n might have some invested interests in LFC having a quieter voice in British sports.
05 Feb 2018 09:40:46
Shame we couldn't hold on for the win yesterday but I'm sure everyone would have taken a draw before the game.
Did a little bit of maths and looked at typical points needed to make the top 4, we could probably still afford a couple more loses and draws in our remaining games and still finish in the top four, if we can get anything from our games against United and Chelsea and avoid too many dropped points in our other games then I think we'll still be in a good position come the end of the season.
Fans here tend to panic but I think we are ina very strong position at the moment.
Would everyone be happy with the starting 11 from yesterday being our regular for the remainder of the season? Thought it wasn't bad.
05 Feb 2018 10:02:31
Would prefer Gomez over TAA.
Milner should never be in the starting line up.
Can is a good squad player but he’s not been great let’s be honest.
05 Feb 2018 10:07:43
Spot on, George T. I would not have minded a draw depending on how the game could play out BUT having said that with the way the game played out, a draw is a disappointing result esp. since it was caused by factors outside our control. But to your point, it was Spurs who needed the win cos they would have to play Arsenal next who they do not match up with and won't get the enormous and shameless amount of help they got from the refs against them. We'll be ok. On to Saints.
05 Feb 2018 09:05:00
Eds do we hold any interest for Kostas Manolas regarding summer?
{Ed002's Note - No.}
05 Feb 2018 05:27:10
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 5th February 2018
05 Feb 2018 11:07:44
Thank you Ed1.
{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}
05 Feb 2018 04:01:16
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Monday 5th February 2018