Liverpool Banter Archive December 05 2014

05 Dec 2014 19:01:29
Ed01/02.

My post aren't coming up nor Getting any kind of response. I am sure none contains any abusive content.
If its something else which is out of my control Please let me know.
I have been seriously asked questions and couldn't reply.
Kindly do the needful guys. Its pretty boring sitting out in the bench and watch the whole show.

cheers

Well I think Gerrard should be.

Oh sorry wrong post haha ;)

05 Dec 2014 19:37:58
Hey guys! what's going on with firmino? I can't see him staying at hoffenheim, so any chance of signing him? if not, who does?

06 Dec 2014 05:37:35
Last heard from the Ed's that inter and Arsenal tried to sign him up.

05 Dec 2014 11:48:45
Paulo dybala what a player is going to be the best striker in the world.

Agree, has the potential to be another Suarez type player. If we can buy him it would be great.

05 Dec 2014 19:07:49
He is a fantastic player

05 Dec 2014 10:23:07
Is it just me or do any other people think this? All these young lads getting signed up looked at etc, its had to get excited as it seems very few ever get a chance in the first team? There has been a few over the past year or two who I thought big things would happen but no dice, they never got a chance.

05 Dec 2014 11:11:57
You just repeating what most have posted in here in the last few days. It seems to be the topic of the week, and quite frankly getting boring. You can only play kids when you can afford to take the risk. Look at Chelsea , City , Arsenal and other top 6 clubs , how many youth players do you see them use in the pl. Wegner have been known to promote kids but he only do it in the league cup. I am not a Brendan fan , but I can really understand why he is not using the academy players , he is under pressure to produce results and its very important he wins silverware this year, that's why he is taking the league cup seriously and playing strong team of experienced players. Now this whole thing about some of our kids being better than some of our first team is pure nonesense , the fact is that we don't know, and probably Brendan himself does n't know, and he can't afford to take the risk.

05 Dec 2014 12:32:58
So you don't use them when you're winning because you play the ones that are winning. You don't play them when you aren't winning because you're under pressure. You don't play them instead of people who aren't performing because you need to get those players up to scratch. When exactly do young players get played Roy? How can they get their chance?

For example - why did we buy Manquillo - how was he less of a risk than Wisdom? Why did we keep playing Moses over Texiera last season?

05 Dec 2014 12:51:50
When exactly do young players get played Roy? How can they get their chance?
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When you have the luxury to experiment . I know its flippant answer mate, but this is how its . In the PL at the moment we need every point, how would you feel if Brendan put out a couple of youngsters and we lost, because of the lack of confidence in the team, this can have devastating effects on the boys, and it may worsen their progress.
In a winning team full of confidence , with few spare points, then yes, the confidence around the team will protect the youngsters , and even a defeat then won't be a major blow and won't effect the kids.

For example - why did we buy Manquillo -
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I really don't know mate, when many in here were having orgasms over his loan signing I was asking why, and did post we don't need him, but you can guess the reaction and abuse I got for my comments

We bought manquillo?

05 Dec 2014 15:11:39
You know what I mean bobatron, when we obtained manquillo.

Roy - sorry mate, not trying to be difficult or have a go but i don't get your answer. Do you mean that the only time it's acceptable to play young players is when things are either so bad you aren't even competing for survival anymore or you're so far ahead that you can afford to loose? Cause that basically translates to no young players ever getting a chance every again really.

Personally, if we lost after putting in young players to replace underperforming or simply badly performing senior players, I'd be fairly satisfied that at least we gave the places to people showing they wanted it and trying something rather than picking the well known players for a reputation they aren't earning. But that's just me

05 Dec 2014 16:11:16
only time it's acceptable to play young players is when things are either so bad . . . .
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In a nutshell yes, its not about survival or not, its about when points are n't critical, for example you are top 4 and good few points away from 5th place and 3rd is not achievable etc.
I understand hjkle and I can assure you I am not arguing for the sake of it. As a fan I 'll tend to agree with you; As a business person I understand all about minimising risk when you desperate for results and I can appreciate why Brendan is not playing the kids at the moment; like I said before there is no guarantee they'll do better, so its the sensible thing to use the tried and trusted.
The thing about "simply badly performing senior players" is debatable , he spent millions on players he is hardly using , so I guess he does n't think the individual players are performing badly; and to be honest , the way I see it, you can put the german team playing for us and will loose with the system he played in some of the games this season.
For me with the kids, I'll pick few and playing them most pre-seasons games, then as the season start I'll pick the special 2 and 3 and stick them in the first squad and play them as often as possible just like any other first team or bench player. This is what Kenny did with Flano and he integrated seamlessly into the first team.

Hjickle.

I agree utterly about Martin Kelly - and tbh, I find it harder to stomach selling him for £1.5m as BR said he would give him opportunities this season.

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Posted prematurely by mistake there. sorry. (no jokes btw)

I was going to add that in relation to Manquillo discussion by hjikle- perhaps BR thought that with Flanagan and Johnson ahead of him, that Wisdom would be better served having a full season in the PL on loan, so got Manquillo too, thinking if he was a success that he could be another option when Glen Johnson leaves at the end of the season.

Just my attempt at a rational explanation - but then, BR will likely sell Wisdom for £5 (and yes, I mean a fiver) and start playing Hendo or Gerrard at RB - or something nuts.

I've given up on BR doing anything logical tbh - and yes I utterly agree that either Wisdom or Kelly are better than Manquillo or Johnson. Obviously.

but then, I don't think BR would notice. Isn't Gerrard a DM, and Lucas and Suso are rubbish too.

.good grief.

06 Dec 2014 04:50:36
Absolute nonsense.
Manquillo is still settling into his first PL season. He has more pace than either Kelly or Wisdom and offers more as a wingback.
Take the red tinted glasses off now and again lad and gain a better perspective.
If Kelly was as good as people claim then he'd either still be at LFC or a better side than Palace would have taken him.
Wisdom is too slow for a wingback.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but you are deluded. Wisdom is quick, for starters. Secondly Manquillo is not better than either. Only someone desperate for a point would use the lunacy of claiming that Kelly's ability is measured by the club that he signed for. Do you know who else tried to sign him in the summer? Obviously not, because you are too busy making wild claims about a player that couldn't even get near the Atletico team, so had to come on loan to us to get a game.}

Spot on Roy. It's easy to say "why not play the youngsters since the experienced players are not performing" but when you desperately need results it can be too much of a gamble to just throw in youngsters and hope for the best, and as Roy pointed out it won't do much good for their confidence if they struggle to make an impact in a struggling side low on confidence.

Red Rum

In dire times, experience will always beat youthful excitement. That is the reality even tho some of us don`t like it. Pace is not what is lacking w/ Wisdom and Kelly because they have bags of it. Only BR can tell us what he ws thinking when he let those two go and go getManquillo from AM. anquillo IMO, is a good player BUT did we really need him when we had Kelly and Wisdom who already have PL experience?

05 Dec 2014 09:57:18
Eds,

If you had to give an unbiased opinion to Martin Odergaard and his representatives would you advise him to join Liverpool or go to another club.

My reason for asking is how bad BR has been at promoting youth and how liverpool seem to have poor player support especially for loan players.

{Ed002's Note - He is just a child, he would not be anywhere near the first team any time soon.}

05 Dec 2014 13:07:35
But he has been promised first team football if he signs his 5 year deal with Real Madrid. Strange then that he isn't even close to Liverpools first team, but is being promised so at Real.

{Ed002's Note - He will go in to the U19 squad with recentlty arrived Mink Peeters if he joins Real Madrid. That has already been agreed.}

So did he spend time with Madrid first Ed before us ? i'm just trying to peice together what's happening with with him. I appreciate however that he is only 15.

05 Dec 2014 15:59:45
Just wondering why you think he isn't anywhere close to being ready for Liverpools first team Ed002? I understand he is very, very young, a child as you say, but the lad has already played international football at a senior level. He seems to be up there as the highest rated young lad I can remember in a long time. When you consider sterling, for example, and many others started playing for senior teams at 17 then surely he wouldn't be too far away? He is 16 in the next couple of weeks.

Cheers

{Ed002's Note - He is a child until he is 18 and has zero relevant experience in playing at the level Liverpool are playing.}

If Real Madrid want Odegaard, then that is where he is most likely to end up. Really does not matter if he is a LFC fan, because RM are the biggest club in the world by quite a distance and the training facilities i presume must be better not to mention Madrid being a better place to live. He would be guaranteed trophies and big money at RM while at LFC, both would be a big if depending on the club's performance in the coming years. If RM make a solid offer, there is not much Liverpool can do.