Liverpool Banter Archive August 05 2016

05 Aug 2016 21:51:28
Just like to say to waro there's been a good few posts about the owners i haven't agreed with you on, but this pre season your posts have been spot on. Just wanted to ask if your views have changed at all with the owners bringing in klopp.

06 Aug 2016 08:48:35
Think the meds are working at last.

06 Aug 2016 08:54:45
Morning waltonred, not really mate. Klopp is the only thing they've gotten correct since they arrived, I think they'll be moving on soon with a massive profit and they won't care who they sell to either which is a worry, just hope the premier league owner's test is ridged and we don't get lumbered with more venture capitalists.

06 Aug 2016 09:21:24
I slightly disagree there mate, I feel Buisness owners of their callibur that buy and sell a lot of Buisnesses, they pride the whole Buisness package and buy new with the ideas and examples of we buy- improve then sell on a more complete package to a long term owner. That's why people sell to them in the first place. As they have profits and assests in high regards.

06 Aug 2016 11:21:07
I would agree pretty much with Waro. The owners inability to get the major apponitments right has had more affect on Liverpool being where they are than any thing else at the club.

06 Aug 2016 12:26:37
I agree in part, Waro but I disagree with you saying that Klopp is the only thing they've gotten right. I don't know everything going on behind the scenes neither do you hence, we can only go by what the Ed's tell us. Therefore, the owners have their issues and they need to make the right appointments in critical areas. However, they have gotten many things done. They've widened Anfield, made us more profitable on the commercial side, the academy is being revamped under Klopp, and so on. Maybe Ed01 can help here.

06 Aug 2016 15:52:39
I think they have done well. Waro. why don't u elaborate on why you feel they have been poor? I think u would moan whoever the owners were? It's a sad state of affairs and I for one am a little tired of your negativity regarding the owners. What type of owners do you want? Please explain what type of owners you would like and would make u happy? I feel like your living in a dream world where people don't make profits etc. looking forward to your reply.

05 Aug 2016 19:13:00
Okay, so that now leaves Ilori, Wisdom, Markovic, Luis Alberto, Benteke, Balotelli and Awoniyi to be moved on, through either loan or sales (based on my guessed departures) . If the above 7 players are moved on it'll leave a first team of 28 players. Considering we had a squad of 51 players in mid-June (when i last checked), I think Mr. Klopp and Co. deserve some appreciation for the slicing/ dicing work that was necessarily done. I think a squad size of 30 is perfect. And coincidentally we have two spots available for two left backs. Mr. Klopp, now let's move those 7 guys on, bring in at least one LB, and stop flirting with attacking midfielders. (I'm aware he's not the only one in the decision process, just addressing him as the figurative head of the footbal team) . (I purposely did not include Brannagan and Lucas in the departures as per rumours, because I don't think they should leave. And I wish Ibe and Flanaghan were still with the team too) .

05 Aug 2016 19:31:27
Why awoniyi?

05 Aug 2016 19:42:29
Because he's in the first team but can't get a work permit to play.

05 Aug 2016 22:15:36
Klopp makes all the decisions about transfers.

05 Aug 2016 18:39:39
Eds reds flannagan to Burnley - season loan- wouldve preferred him to be our left back- in the absence of a lb signing.

05 Aug 2016 18:05:16
Good luck to Flanno on his season long loan to Burnley.

05 Aug 2016 17:21:19
Ed1, your thoughts on Ojo and what he has todo too keep a first team spot.

{Ed001's Note - I would say play well, but, at his age, it is better to take them out of the line up a fair bit to keep them hungry.}

05 Aug 2016 18:43:02
What would you about Dele Alli? What do you think would have happened if he were not given playing time, both for the team and himself. And even the English team?
If Ojo I good enough he should be given enough games to prove himself.

{Ed001's Note - Dele Alli still needs to be given a reason to keep improving. It is a year or two down the line you need to think with players this age. Spurs need to add a signing to fight him for his place, or risk him becoming too settled.}

05 Aug 2016 15:53:58
Seems like Klopp has played into the hands of the agent again with benteke ed002.

05 Aug 2016 16:08:02
Don't blame Klopp, blame the club for enabling it.

{Ed041's Note - why can't klopp speak for himself?

05 Aug 2016 16:26:12
Could be sending a message to the club on this one. I think he may be saying stop messing around for the asking price and let the player continue his career elsewhere.

05 Aug 2016 16:28:05
Yes, he has. I just think he is too sincere and does know when to put a filter on his comments. Hopefully, he`ll learn.

05 Aug 2016 17:02:12
Managers should avoid commenting on transfers especially speculations. What was Klopp talking about Pogba and his price?

05 Aug 2016 18:29:26
Klopp said nothing wrong, he said if a club wants to buy a payer from us then they have to pay the asking price which is absolutely correct.

If people ask stupid questions they will get stupid answers.

Klopp has always been like this, there is no need to change it for the English press. I respect the Eds but in this regard I couldn't care less what they think.

He is our manager and I think he is an excellent coach. let's not judge him on press conferences!

05 Aug 2016 23:11:01
Absolutely couldn't agree more with pankaj.

06 Aug 2016 03:33:28
Ed041, after his public comments about Balotelli, the club should have told Klopp not to say anything like that again if they didn't like it. The fact that he has gone off and now done it with Benteke suggests to me that the club really aren't fussed over whether he makes those public comments or not. If they told him to stop it, I'm sure he would have followed orders.

05 Aug 2016 14:20:39
Best wishes to Chris Kirkland.

05 Aug 2016 15:06:54
Great supporting words from Bury too - good to see that can still exist in modern football!

05 Aug 2016 18:32:35
Sincere Best Wishes to Chris Kirkland and his family.
God Bless them.

05 Aug 2016 11:23:08
Hi Ed's just looking at the amount attacking options we have do you think any will leave by the first game of the season?

{Ed002's Note - I cannot sensible give dates on when transfers will be completed. It is a waste of time asking such questions.}

05 Aug 2016 10:38:38
Wembley tomorrow peeps.

05 Aug 2016 14:01:20
Not sure how anyone disagrees with this? Very funny.

05 Aug 2016 18:46:05
Can't wait! I know it's not a competitive game but I'm craving the buzz of the crowd.
I can feel a sore throat coming on but it's not going to stop me!

05 Aug 2016 21:01:54
I'm raring to go. After the BT fiasco and no Anfield tickets I'm pleased to get tickets for our second home (that's right you read it right - that's what we used to call it for those younger fans)

06 Aug 2016 00:40:30
G1dgo, I think you mean 'Anfield South'?!

Im looking forward to my visit too!

06 Aug 2016 01:48:00
I'll be there wearing my "Zeddicus" replica kit 😎.

06 Aug 2016 12:21:33
I'll keep an eye out for you, Mr Keague!

05 Aug 2016 08:34:40
Piotr Zielinski signs for Napoli according to SSN. Hope this isn't another one we will kick ourselves over not signing.

05 Aug 2016 09:44:10
So we could have got Chilwell and zielinski, if we had dealt in the right way, for less than the price that was paid for wijnaldum?

05 Aug 2016 10:56:35
It would seem that way and they were our 1st choices. Oh well, nothing left to do other than hope wiji has a great season and all then new guys have a stormer!

05 Aug 2016 06:17:19
United fan here, just checking preparation of all big clubs for new season. With Liverpool to play Barcelona tomorrow do u people expect Klopp to field his strongest starting line up and they play for 75+ minutes to fine tune for Arsenal game? or is it another pre season friendly?
I expect it is a good test for your defense against Messi and Suarez. Arsenal are close to playing style as Barca.

05 Aug 2016 06:48:26
We have a friendly against Mainz immediately after Wembley. I expect Klopp to field a strong team which will feature against Arsenal.

05 Aug 2016 07:14:28
It's a pre-season friendly the purpose of which is match fitness. Perhaps 50% of the starting line-up for Arsenal will play.

05 Aug 2016 08:10:05
Whoever arranged this was on point. Testing our defence against MSN. But the question is what is our first team defensive pairing?

05 Aug 2016 08:35:35
They didn't arrange it to test against 'msn' lol. Neymar is at the Olympics and who knows how much the others will play. Besides the system they play is unlike anything we play in the league so not a great test anyway. It's about fitness and leave it at that. If we really want to test our defence then we should play stoke all pre season to learn how to defend set pieces!

05 Aug 2016 08:36:52
Keague, If u are a settled and stable team then it is a normal game for fitness but Liverpool bought many new players, testing how they fit in should also be considered apart from fitness i think. This applies to United, City and to a certain extent to Chelsea also. Arsenal and Spurs have a settled side I believe.

05 Aug 2016 08:53:20
Neymar is at the Olympics xpertoyin.

I'm going so I'm hoping both sides put strong teams out and I think we will arrange least, the mainz game I'm not so sure.

05 Aug 2016 09:24:45
I hope are best X11 play tomz and the the rest play Sunday.

05 Aug 2016 09:30:18
Can see klopp going with what he thinks is his starting 11 for arsenal against barca. At least I think it would make sense.

05 Aug 2016 09:38:38
Spurs scored the most goals from set pieces last season Leicester second, stoke were joint 16th and have been moving away from that long ball style for some time so perhaps playing them all pre season wouldn't help that much with set pieces.

05 Aug 2016 09:47:42
Week out from the season starting you want to have some combinations working. That's just natural phasing for any sport. Fitness still a priority for sure. But if that's the only thing at this stage then ya may have taken your eye off the ball.

05 Aug 2016 10:36:27
He may just play the ones who are least Jet Lagged.
Whenever I've flown home from the USA it always takes me 2 weeks to get over it. But then again. I'm not as fit as the players 😉.

05 Aug 2016 10:48:52
Jet lag is nothing to do with physical fitness. But players used to travelling often to different time zones for European games, internationals etc should be more resilient to it.

05 Aug 2016 11:59:24
For the poster who disagreed with my post, which part do you disagree with?

Neymar at the Olympics? Nah can't be that because he is.

About me going the game tomorrow? Nah can't be that because I am.

Hoping both sides put out strong sides? Nah can't be that, because I haven't given an opinion on whether they will or won't just hoping they do.

Not being sure if they will put a strong side out for the mainz game? Again can't be that because not being sure if they'll put a strong team out for that game isn't giving an opinion either way.

Wonder what part of that post and this post somebody will find disagreeable? Considering both were factual and neither had an opinion on anything, mmmmm interesting 🌞🌞⚽⚽🍺🍺👍👍👍.

05 Aug 2016 11:34:40
You asked our opinion m_m, I gave you mine, but I have no idea what tomorrow's line-up or the arsenals game will be.

05 Aug 2016 14:56:18
Sometimes it's just trolls waro, just ignore them. doesn't matter what you, Ron keague and MK post and you'll get people disagreeing with no reason. Even Harry gets a few totally unjustified in any way.

05 Aug 2016 15:16:20
I know swish, and I don't normally comment on this subject but find it a bit bizarre that people disagree when there was no opinion given on anything in particular in the post, so it must just be the name at the bottom! I think I'll get around 26 disagrees on this post (fingers crossed) hahaha 😂.

05 Aug 2016 21:06:48
Waro. Trolls come here just to disagree. I cannot imagine for the life of me why they waste their time though.

06 Aug 2016 00:44:20
Waro. I disagreed over excessive use of emojis. :-p.

05 Aug 2016 04:09:49
Hi eds,

Our fellow redmen say defense is our main problem including migs.

But well what about attack.

Our clean sheets for last season was 11 i think which is one of the best in the league, what about attack.

You look at firminho who scored 10,. well he is at 19th ad per league standings.

What about our best attacking player coutinho. has he ever got into double figures with his stinct in premier league.

When we started last season i said goals are our priority. not even henderson, lallana, coutinho who are our regular midfielders so long did that.

But blame always go gor milner or migs. where they are better with contribution.

Also so many pissed with mane and wjandalum. well gigy is proven in dutch scored 11 for relegated side. which is better than our strikers and attacking midfielders.

If we can score some goals this season and don't leave too much gap in midfield and defense. we are winning plenty games.

Ynwa.

05 Aug 2016 05:42:58
". Don't leave gap in midfield and defense. "
We will!

05 Aug 2016 06:00:07
Besides watching goals are exciting.

05 Aug 2016 06:09:48
It's pretty obvious we only had one fit striker for the most part of the season and he doesn't suit our style. If the strikers stay fit they wil be amongst our top scorers. Having 2 complete liabilities at the back in migs and Moreno gives the other teams a lift against us and every stupid mistake they make which costs us a goal just pulls the confidence of the team down. Even Stevie wonder can see those 2 probably cost us 25 points between them last year and are probably the only 2 players that showed zero improvement in their time at Liverpool or under klopp.

05 Aug 2016 07:29:48
Second half of the season we scored at roughly 2 a game on average, so the low goals per person was largely due a poor first half of the season, switching lead strikers mid season (no-one getting a full season under their belt), various injuries and Benteke not fitting our system.

With Sturridge, Origi and Ings upfront and scoring midfielders behind then in Mane, Firmino, Wijnaldum etc. I think goals will flow if we get our setup right.

05 Aug 2016 07:34:06
In the 2nd half of the season I'm pretty sure we were top 2 in goals scored?

05 Aug 2016 08:27:17
That's stats about being second top scorers are irrelevant if (1) you can drive a bus through our midfield (2) have a left back who doesn't appear to have any brains (3) have a keeper who's fear of crosses puts Dracula to shame. As of today, we will start the season with all of those things still as issues.

05 Aug 2016 09:41:18
Goals won't be the problem this season with sturridge, origi, ings, mane, wijnaldum,
Firmino, coutinho. It's both fullback positions which will be our downfall.

05 Aug 2016 10:00:34
Franky "puts dracula to shame" that deserves an award.