Liverpool Banter Archive September 04 2012
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04 Sep 2012 16:55:19
Eds - Question obviously serious mistakes were made over the 'ins & outs' over this transfer window hence the resulting charm offensive from JWH.....
What is the extent of the damage to relationships and moral within the set up to your knowledge?
04 Sep 2012 19:38:46
whats the situation with the leagues where transfers still cn happen (russia etc.) can we buy players form their league or only they can buy player from our (and others) leagues
cheers, Luka
I'd also like to know the answer to this but fear I already do.
They can only buy players from us.
We cannot buy players from anyone.
- Something Red -
04 Sep 2012 19:31:12
Is ian ayres job to wear dodgy shirts,cut of this bloke....one big joke..
04 Sep 2012 19:29:46
Samed Yesil & Suso both included in Liverpool's next Europa league tie
M
Best news to come out.RedTurk
I hope so. don't play game me!
my guess would be
Suso because gerrard needs rest and probably be replaced in the starting line up by shelvey
and yesil because Assaidi isn't eligible.
Good...they need to be there
04 Sep 2012 19:27:28
What does every one reckon about the del piero rumors.
Australia bound I think.
ND
No legs to the rumours.
Absolute legend and still raring to play, consistent goal scorer throughout his career. Would like to sign him for a season, can I see it happening? Nah...FSG were reluctant to shell out for Dempsey, they are highly unlikely to agree to paying the wages of someone who turns 38 this side of Christmas. He'd be an excellent role model
for our younger strikers, and he knows all about loyalty, sticking with Juve when they were relegated to Serie B despite everyone else p*ssing off. Gotta admire the guy. I'd take him, but what do I know
04 Sep 2012 19:16:06
Michael ngoo is the answer! He has improved dramatically
Obviously not, brendan rodgers watched the u21 game yesterday to run his eye over the younger players.....ngoo didn't make the europa league squad today!
I agree, he was miles better than Morgan last season.
he just doesn't loose the ball when he is dribbling.
Have allways liked n goo, just need to get his head up sometimes, hes a beast
billynwa
04 Sep 2012 19:03:08
Seeing as we are low on strikers why don't we play Pacheco or put him on the bench? I know his attitudes not great but we need to work with what we have and he could be quality
04 Sep 2012 18:53:55
Quick question have you guys seen Freddy montero play for the sounders in mls? Seems to be a pretty good scorer have any teams at all made any enquiries about him? Thanks
Mike
It is difficult to sign players out of MLS on anything outside of a loan deal. This turns many clubs off.
04 Sep 2012 18:53:20
I dont know if the rumours are true, but i feel Del Piero could really help Borini become the poacher we all want him to be, and may even have a positive effect on Suarez! Can hit a free kick and a penalty to. The fact is, and FSG need to accept this, you need experience as well as youth, or you get nowhere!
YNWA! (Adam)
That's a really good idea. I never thought of Borini learning from Del Piero while at the same time solving our striker problem in the short term. Defo worth a shout, but it looks like he may be signing for Sydney. Jaffer 81
Pepe, Entire back 4, Gerrard, Lucas, Downing, Suarez - fair bit of experience there I would say.
LIVERPRES
Agree with the experience and youth bit,all great teams have a bit of both
NAVANRED
04 Sep 2012 18:50:10
A lot of doom and gloom here as expected but come on - you've played Arsenal and City in those three games, and were unlucky against both.
As much as I dislike you lot, Allen looks a fine player who will be great in 1-2 years and your boy Sterling?
Talk about fearless. I've watched him in the last two games, boy looks class. I only wish SAF would show that much faith in some of our youngsters instead of playing tired veterans on their last legs.
Seriously, this season could be a write-off for you lot but if you accept that and get behind Rodgers, with the owners providing stability off thefield, in a year or two you'll be back and in fantastic shape to compete again.
RED_SKY
And they say that Liverpool fans are the most knowledgable.
Kopping a feel
I never thought I would see the day a decent united fan posted on this site.
Not sure I agree the season being a wright-off but good on you for showing there are some people who realise constant kicking of a dog when they are down does not make you the better supporter.
Thanks man
Noshbag
Bloody hell,a manc talking more sense than a lot of our own fans, rob b
You're the kind of united supporter I like, wish there were more like you around
04 Sep 2012 18:49:14
give pacheco or morgan a fiar crack as a impact player!
04 Sep 2012 18:45:44
Oi! Calling all negative trolls. I'm fed up of coming coming on here having to back chat your ill informed & downright ignorant views of my club. FSG OUT! BR's small time, asset strippers, relegation blah, blah blah ... So rather than come on here & whinge & then run away without leaving your name, give us THE FANS your solutions. Bearing in mind there were no Roman's or Sheiks lining up to buy LFC who do you suggest we should find as suitable owners? Come on!? Chicken Farmers? Like our striker situation you would imagine a replacement would be needed in place, so what are your thoughts FSG haters?
dd
Kenny Huang
Great post "a voice of reason", not having a striker in place was a mistake! However it's done with now, I'd try this: Borinni has to Play through through the middle, if Suarez is unhappy with this "tough" he's not the manager! If he's cutting in from wide he's got an option to pass as well as shoot, he also needs to understand we are not going to score with every attack and pass back to the midfield to build pressure and keep the opposition guessing. My next suggestion is controversial but I think Gerard should be dropped for a bit, he's losing possession too easily and he's looking unhappy! I love the guy and will always be great full to him for the loyalty he's shown but the Manager needs him to support him and the team and I don't think this is happening?
The influence Gerrard exerts is a good thing when things are "rosy", but I have no doubt he can throw the "toys out" when it going bad. BR is changing this team, it will take time and Gerarrd must accept the fact that he will probably not be around to see it come to fruition, but he can help us get there!
In case you have not noticed, we are in the relegation area, BR has little or no ammunition with FSG having been refused funding for Clint and his history best is 11th in the EPL with Swansea, FSG are vastly inexperienced both in the UK and in Football matters. To top this our serious asets seemed to have been stripped. If "trolls" as you put it are concerned, its probably because they love LFC too. And unless your name is JH then its not your club either. WTF are you on about?
People are entitled to opinion and this is a place that enabled their voices and unfortunately yours and mine too.
We all love LFC and now that times are not so good its time to come together. BR has much to learn but he will learn, FSG need time too but they have it and there is no doubt LFC need quality up front and it will come.
Concern will turn to belief on all sides and ultimately if "trolls" dont sign their names. its probably because the site does not insist on it or like me....simply forgot.
04 Sep 2012 18:45:14
Great stuff lads keep it up ! I just want to say we have to try and lift the doom and gloom regarding striking problems. It really hurts us all not to get someone in during transfer window but this may be a blessing. We have got some top talent in the reserves and these lads should be given a try after all plays like god himself got and took his chance through difficult times ! At the end of a storm there's a golden sky !! YNWA J496
04 Sep 2012 18:33:32
Can somebody clear up this whole Del Piero business? Is he or isn't he? He's 37, well above the FSG age limit, so what's the score?
The score is FSG need to realize they made mistakes and they simply have to accept the fact that we need help.
04 Sep 2012 18:29:49
Del Piero will be at LFC by weekend just what we need 2 help the younger players & hopefully he will have the same impact as Gary Mac did!
If by some long shot the Del Piero rumours are true, then maybe he might be able to teach Boroni how to score a Goal! You never know it might just be a master stroke by BR
Mike in Leeds
Would prefer Robbie Fowler.
KNEE JERK
04 Sep 2012 18:27:55
Follow the gourd!
If you have seen The Life of Brian you'll understand. Panic, mass hysteria and lynch mob rhetoric is making us all look foolish. Chill and let's see what happens...
You Judean Peoples Liberation Front people make me sick,
The Liberation Front of Judea
Yes but Liverpool learnt how to haggle for prices from the same film lol
Follow the shoe
I agree...There all just naughty boys ;)
Brendan is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy, now go away !
Yanks ? What did the yanks ever do for us ?
Great film {Ed063's Note - Haha}
Are you sure you don't want to collect all the shoes of Liverpool players?
Red Rat
04 Sep 2012 18:22:45
I'd just like to say, as a fan, I get annoyed and stroppy when the reds loose, that's the joys of being a die-hard Liverpool supporter. But... BUT... I swear to Christ, we must have the biggest bunch of moaning bitches in the world of football. It's really REALLY starting to piss me off. So, to all you so called "Fans" who are slabbering about us being doomed, I say DOOOOOMED, after just 3 games: GO AND DO ONE ! Rant over, Meds taken.
Stevie.
Agreed, me and my m8s laugh about how rubbishe we're playing cos we know that BR will get us back to challenging the top 4.
Why don't the eds create a 'moaning cry babies section' for all the negative muppets to spout their rubbish on there.
04 Sep 2012 18:20:41
So here's my guess as to what will happen-
Come January, we'll be in 14th (or thereabouts). We'll sell a few (2 or so) senior players (say Agger and Johnson, as an example, or Reina and Downing as another) and use the funds to purchase 3 or more replacements with a focus on attack-minded players. We'll also maybe sell a few of the fringe players (at the moment, folks like Henderson) if buyers can be found.
The incomings will not be of the level of Higuain/Ronaldo/Lewandowski but more of the Jelavic variety (e.g. sub £15M). Net spending by the owners will be £0 or close to it (not a negative thing in my opinion, just a statement of fact), but the wage bill will decrease further. Come the end of the season, we'll be around 10th and summer of 2013 will be very interesting.
That's the way I see it, anyway. Again, I don't necessarily think this is pessimistic or even all that bad, it's just what I think may happen. Positives for me are young players getting a chance and possibly stepping up their game to become the next superstars. It's not going to happen overnight, but getting a fair number of games in will certainly help them increase their skill set. I could well be wrong (I often am according to my wife!) and I hope I am and instead we win every game from here until the end of the year, but that's how I see the season going for us.
For me, I'm a relative newcomer to being an LFC supporter, especially compared to many of those on here, so I know nothing of LFC being anything other than a team outside the top 4 and perhaps am a bit more patient or have more realistic expectations than many other posters.
For my part, I'm an LFC supporter because I had watched PL games for a few seasons but thought it would be substantially more fun if I supported someone (I'm American). One day I was watching this game on the TV and they were showing this stadium awash with Red, flags swinging everywhere and this wonderful song of support coming out of the stands. It gave me goosebumps as it was such a beautiful show of support and passion. I was hooked and knew which team I would adopt as my own.
That said, if I were in the same position today, it's pretty unlikely I'd choose LFC to be honest as that passion for supporting the players and manager that we have on the pitch, not the ones we want, seems to have evaporated. Am hoping to see that come enthusiasm come back sooner rather than later.
RDL
Stick with it RDL...!
We are the greatest team in the world!
YNWA
Phooey...
Not going anywhere, Phooey- it's not my style.
Guess part of my point was just an explanation that those fortunate enough to be at Anfield can not only have an affect on how the players play, but recruitment of new supporters into the fold (like me for instance). New supporters equals new revenue equals new players.
At the moment, I give huge kudos to Swansea supporters for this. They are amazingly loud (or maybe it just seems that way on TV, hard for me to tell as I've obviously never been to one of their games), win, lose, or draw.
RDL
04 Sep 2012 17:46:27
Rumours about Del Piero now.
He must be older than the manager.
This constant stream of speculation about different free agents is doing the club no favours.
They should just make an announcement that nobody is going to be signed now until January and get on with it.
We still have a squad of very good players,if Suarez gets injured then Stevie can play up front as far as i am concerned and he would still be our best player.
Scraping the barrel for non entities is not befitting a club of our stature.
They are free agents for a reason,nobody wants them!
Do you agree ED's?
There can be surprising finds in the free market,I could not believe we had signed Mcallister at the time ,40 years old released from perennial survivors Coventry how wrong was I,he was a revelation for 2 years a great pro........you never know. Paisley's genius
Del Pierro - a non entity. He might be getting on a bit but he was still the best player at Euro 2012. I agree he is not an answer to our lack of strikers though as he is more of an attacking midfielder. We need a fox in the box - someone who can score the easy goals and has a knack for getting into goal scoring positions. I'm not convinced by Sinama Pngolle either as he is no better than Borini - could provide valuable cover though.
Bob
Del Piero - a non-entity? Are you completely stark raving lonney toons barking bonkers? Just to have him training at Melwood and passing on his experience to Borini, Suarez and Morgan would be worth the wage. His touch, close control, movement, reading of the game and finishing have always been top notch. So what if he's 37? And for all those people saying 'free agents are free for a reason' the flippin transfer window is closed so we have no choice so there's no alternative! I think Del Piero (a veritable god of Italian football for two decades) arriving at Anfield would be a really positive move and provide a silver lining to our early season cloud. Still can't get over referencing him as a 'non-entity'...go learn something about football please.
Biscanifyoucan
04 Sep 2012 17:38:15
I'm given the owners the benefit of doubt until the end of next summers window, three years will have been more than enough time for them to finally start moving the club forward, but if things don't improve I'm dusting down my SOS banner!
Cane
We can't doubt them for spending momey on young players even this summer they don't choose the players the managers do.
Mighty reds
Shut up you muppet. Blame Kenny and Comolli for the mess we are in.
04 Sep 2012 16:58:45
At the end of the day, all you lot need to know is....... True fans support the team no matter what's going on at the moment ...... And the rest of you are just sad pathetic people with nothing better to do than cry about things after just 3 league games....yes I said just 3 league games.......we all know we have a tough start to the season so what will be will be at the moment and I support Rodgers and the team 100%....... Plus the owners are starting from scratch after doing some good work lowering the age of the squad, getting averager players on very high wages out the club, getting more sponsorship deals and commercial deals .....just basically starting out in there plans for the club, they also said all along it will take time......they know what's best not you lot who play championship manager...... So if you don't like it then go support another team and in time il be the one laughing at you lot saying I told you so.......
Andy
04 Sep 2012 16:55:06
Our club has gone downhill ever since the departure of Xabi Alonso :(
Rupert
Great, all we need to do then is go back in time and tell Rafa that Gareth Barry is no good
The club has gone down hill since the day David Moores took over the reins
Quite right- once he got wind of the fact that Mr Benitez/ Liverpool were prepared to sell him- when at his prime- unfortunately for us, there was no going back,
Our club has gone downhill ever since the departure of Ian Rush (the second departure).
Bob
And now we have Joe Allen. I think he can be every bit as good as Alonso. He is still only young, I think he could be one of he best.
Nick
The only thing concerns me is the owners are only worried of their financials and have no passion for the sport.
Really, you think....
And we will be great again once Xabi comes back...as manager!
04 Sep 2012 16:19:39
it is blindly obvious that we needed another striker in the window, for whatever reasons this did not happen so please can everyone get over it. All this talk of getting players who have not got contracts to come in and help is laughable. The worst being Michael Owen. I did not want Owen back when he was leaving Madrid let alone now. Always injured and would want too much money. Please give Morgan and Yesil a chance. Might not be enough to get us where we want but is still the right way to go in our situation. Also BR must play Kelly and put Johnson at left back. We must buy a top keeper to give Riena a challenge ( he is getting worse ). Gerrard cant play twice a week and Shelvey deserves a place in the team at present. Have faith in BR and FSG . If we run the club the way many fans out there want it to be run we will be a Leeds, Portsmouth or Rangers. In a few seasons we can either be bankrupt or back challenging again. If people cant see that the owners are trying their best then they need to support a money club. We will get there especially with FFP kicking in. Not saying we will win everything but we will be challenging again, just be patient.
EST.1892
04 Sep 2012 16:19:22
Dear all,
Like most people on here, I am a lifelong Liverpool fan, and looking back took Liverpool's success for granted a little bit in the late 70's and especially the 80's.
However, recent times have taught me that no football club is gauranteed success and how boring life would be if they were. Everybody also takes great delight in our demise, as much as we would if it were Man Utd. No harm in that, all part of the banter
I am grateful for everything FSG have done to date and saved my great club. I like the cut of Mr Rodgers jib and have faith that given time we will develop into a team challenging for major honours. Let's all accept that time is required as the squad is redeveloped, getting rid of players (a job well done so far in my opinion) being just as important as looking for new ones.
Let's be up for the challange, remain confident and enjoy the ride.
I'm quietly confident, perhaps you may think overly so, that all will work out for the better in the end.
I'm nobody's fool but ultimately I believe, despite all the negativity, you all support the club and wouldn't swap for any other. Once you've accepted that, let them do what needs to be done and support them in every way we can.
Nigel T.
Good post mate...
04 Sep 2012 16:18:04
Does anyone else feel like they have been in a weird dream since 11pm on Friday and any minute r gonna wake up and everything will be ok!???
Just a suggestion...but, you may not want to open your eyes any time soon. {Ed063's Note - Everything will be ok. We have some exceptionally talented youngsters who will now be given a crack. We also have one of the most coveted youth players in all of europe who we have just signed in 18 year old Samed Yesil. Just be patient}
04 Sep 2012 17:34:21
All this moaning and groaning about the team going backwards ,lack of transfer activity no money ,players finished etc , etc is doing no good at all because the transfer window is finished until january,loan deals will not happen as big names cost huge wages and we have been reducing our defecit and will probably have to again once this great club finds its feet again we will buy well no more rubbish but in the mean time we have to get behind the team a hundred percent as negativity never works in life lets show the world we love our club or would you prefer to slag our team ,our players ,our manager our owners and get laughed at by all the other clubs and fans for months when we cant do anything about it anyway i know which option i prefer and the majority of liverpool fans so lets get behind the team that we have now and fully support it- SALLY-
04 Sep 2012 17:27:44
With the problem of where the goals are going to come from and loans being considered, I watch LTV and for me Suso looks a better option than Morgan I'm sure the manager will have considered this though I look forward to fan opinion.
Also Sterling has been a revalation though I'm unsure how he will work with Suarez and think Borini would work better in the centre to pick off the bits and pieces of the destruction Stering causes.
I think BR has the message now on the problem with our strike force, Sterling and Downing ought to be used "ecomonically" across all competitions coming up soon, to try to get the best out of them- I cannot see them both playing in the same side. Good results as in not losing is the key- to instill some confidence. I think Stevie G's Role for the team now has never been more crucial
Morgan is good tho.
ACHILLES.
04 Sep 2012 17:23:37
One positive to take from our worst start in 50 years is Spirit of shankly saying fans are ready to buy liverpool shares in order to move foward as owners say there is no money. Now we have to see what FSG are made of cause fans are ready to buy shares and move the club foward and money will be available for transfers or wages.
I would buy loads of shares in my club.
I really like this idea, a little bit like barca, the fans own the club.
I would be interested if someone could do the figures, considering our fan base is it at all possible?
04 Sep 2012 17:23:25
Hi ed. I am glad to see Morgan getting some game time with the first team this season, but I was just wondering what everyone's views Michael Ngoo were? I personally would like to see him given a chance at some stage. Does anyone else think so, or is everyone of the opinion of my brother that he is a gangly donkey who will never make it?
Gangly donkey
04 Sep 2012 17:19:29
i would have rather we spent 40m on Fernando llorente than 35 on carroll when we had the money.
Apparently we tried but Bilbao refused to sell.
Ginger Rodgers
I'm sure back on the 31st August 2010 Athletico would have ripped our arm of for a striker that had not managed more than 15 league goals in a season. As sure as I am that there would have been even more displeasure amongst us than the risky AC signing. Hindsight is awesome.
Mate carrol was not our first choice we tried to sign gomez but bayern refused tried to sign llorente again atletico refused and we were left with carroll at the same time mate ed1 will tell you our owners are not ready to pay decent wages so don't look to much at transfer fees. Coz if carroll coast 35M but his wages are like 60/65 thousand per week. Whre players like aguero coast same as carroll 35M but more then 200 thousaand per week which our owners are not ready. If we sign any decent player then he will demand decent wages which will never happen for few years mate
Cheers for that
I would rather have Liverpool offered say a realistic £12m for AC - take it or leave it Newcastle-
Llorente rejected the chance to move to Liverpool. Hence why we ended up with Carroll.
Jonesred
I believe Llorente was first or second choice, but we were turned down. Least that's what I seem to recall one of the Ed's saying a while back. {Ed001's Note - second after Gomez and they would not sell at that point for any amount of money.}
Ah, isn't hindsight a wonderful thing..
Lets get this Andy Carroll £35m in perspective
Fernando Torres Bought for £20,200,00
Sold for £50.000.000.
Profit; £29,000,000
Andy Carroll Bought for £35,000.00
Potential sales £18,000,000.
Loss; £17,000,000.
The reason we bought Andy was to replace Fernando...
Over the 2 transactions we made a profit of, £12,000,000.
We did pay too much for Andy but Chelsea paid too much for Fernando.
This is the football merry go round, In a buisness sense the two deals certainly beefitted Liverpool.
Bobbinred
Hindsight is a great thing, from what I can understand KK's breif was to buy young English players.
Bobbinred
04 Sep 2012 17:18:25
Hi eds and reds, regarding the Henry letter when he wrote, our ambitions do not lie in cementing a mid table place with expensive, short-term quick fixes that will only contribute for a couple of years, clearly he is talking about an ageing Dempsey, why did they let BR pursue him all summer if they were never going to finance a move for him? They knew the price for him all along. There are dozens of strikers out there that BR could of turned too had he knew weeks ago that Clint wasn't an option. I just don't understand the way they have gone about it. Seems we have wasted 3 months chasing a lost cause, very strange.
Any reply would be grateful.
Thanks Redlads
04 Sep 2012 17:16:11
Del Piero??possible??
Manoj YNWA
04 Sep 2012 17:13:55
I'd love to see Skrtel as a CF, just once, he knows where goal is and hard as nails, defences would be terrified! Cross the ball in to him, he could give the defence a death stare and theyd all run away crying and we'd have the ball in the net :-P
Brilliant idea- replace the immobile centre forward Carroll with the immobile centre back Skrtel.
Great idea but he has the first touch of an elephant so never gonna work
04 Sep 2012 17:13:25
Come on guys don't be so down... There is more to life than football.. I have a thought.. Just a thought nothing serious.. Please don't abuse me for this.. I am doing yhis hypothetical thing just for fun..
What if someone comes in January and offers 100 mill pounds for Agger Suarez and Gerrard....!
Where do u guys stand on that..?
Just for fun..
Musicnation
Rip their arm off! Sentimentally or course I'll miss Gerrard, and realistically most fans would say no to him going because he'd always want to stay, but 31yo - if he's a massive athlete we have 3 years left at best with reduction in abilities. So say an optimistic 20M of the deal there.
That leaves £80M for Dan and Luis, Luis is the part of the deal i'd be most sore about, if things went well he's in the same bracket as Messi and CR, but they haven't gone well for the last 4 years and we ain't Barca or RM that can provide him that environment to shine. 50M, yes please.
Dan, again on form and fit what a footballer, surprised no-one had thought about sticking him at DM and watching him become another Yaya Toure. But guess what his injury record (and sheer bad luck to keep getting him in situations he gets hurt in) makes a 30M bid to good to turn down.
Original question is could 100M make us consider them being let go, if you could spend the 100M up front (i.e. get the players you want before the world knew you had the cash) how could the answer not be YES!!!
Bite their hands off.
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that. Bill Shankly
- McMenemy
Sell Sell Sell
Agger is worth say £25m, Suarez £35m (judging on what the big movers went for this summer ie, Hazard, Moura) this leaves Gerald worth £40m....... maybe 5 yrs ago not now, he's past it. This will be his last season.
Flyhalf(Mitch)
Take it 100%.
Gerrard is past his best, Agger is replacable and Suarez won't be here for ever anyway.
100 million, that's a whole new team unless your name is Damien Camolli!
Adam
04 Sep 2012 17:12:40
Can i just say that its not as bad as you all think, ferguson took over at man united after a top four finish and finished 11th in the league.
And two years after finished 11th again and it took him 5 or 6 years to win the title after investments over many transfer windows.
Slowly but surely i think that brendon rodgers is going to do the same things, his manager qualities are fantastic and will go on to complete at least 5 titles for the club if given time and trust.
A sustainable club which i hate saying but its true is man united and this is because of the foundation provided.
Brendon Rodgers in my opinion should be give at least 3 years to show signs of improvement and until then some of these uneducated football fans should shut up!
Man Utd might be sustainable but fortunately their loving owners have saddled the club with massive debts. Lucky they have to waste so much of their turnover servicing that debt.
Bob
I agree with your point, am i educated then?
04 Sep 2012 17:11:14
breaking it down.......
Kuyt -> Borini
Maxi -> Sahin
Bellamy -> Assaidi
Adam -> Allen
Eccleston -> Yesil
Aqualani, Amoo, Darby, Aurelio off the wage bill
net spend of c.£15m
you'd have taken all that at the start of the transfer window
cleansing complete we need to give space to rebuild with BR bringing on the young players he believes fit his system
so only real problem is Carroll & Spearing on loan that werent replaced
keep the faith
Shushyboy
You got your greater signs the wrong way round mate -McMenemy
I think those arrows are pointing the wrong way.
Ash
Kuyt 10 goals
maxi 6 goals
bellamy 6 goals
22 goals per season will make big difference to our league position . maybe short term saving could cost us 75mil
Finally someone posting sense!
The team has replaced older players with younger lads, greater potential and less wages! All we need in Jan is a striker and I hope a youth player steps up from now till then to shine!
We will improve, we will win games...be patient
04 Sep 2012 16:11:24
Ivan Klasnic, has signed a 1yr deal with german club Mainz, thought and seeing our position he may have been worth a punt.
04 Sep 2012 15:35:52
Hi eds I am just wandering what does the management team think of Michael Ngoo? Do you see him getting any chances in the first team squad?
Thanks
Mighty reds {Ed001's Note - I would only expect him to get a run if he steps up his game or we have a lot of injuries, from what I have been told.}
Ed001, specifically for you, have you heard anything regarding Suso's future at the club and what BR thinks of him? It seems we might see him get a few minutes in Europa.
Sj {Ed001's Note - as far as I can find out Rodgers likes what he has seen, he did want to send him out for guaranteed first team footie. The deal was blocked when he realised nobody was coming in on deadline day. So I would expect him to get a chance over the next few months, probably starting in the Europa League and cups.}
Seen him play quite a bit and think he's a very lucky boy indeed to be playing for liverpool!! a big lad who bundles his way through games.
jg.
Then injuries come along because he is WWAAAAAYY a superior player to Adam Morgan "who was a u18 regular last season not reserves." ngoo was our reserves top scorer.
or Suso should be played out wide (RWF) as he had an "EQUALLY" as good a season as Sterling 2011-2012. and and amazing summer with Spain U19
04 Sep 2012 16:39:09
I think its fair to say that the new owners are starting to annoy fans. Could this be a repeat of the the previous yanks, saying one thing and doing another. Apparently Rodgers had full control as this was one of his conditions when he became manager. So whats changed since then? If i was Rodgers and they went back on the agreement they had with me i would of walked out. Hes always going to struggle at Liverpool, its just a matter of, will the owners help him succeed or just be controlling, money grabbing persons from over sea??
Apparently Roberto Martinez rejected the chance to become manager because he did not have complete control over team and transfers!? Did the yanks just say to Rodgers yes you have control because they didn't want him to say no as well?
This is a huge club by history but it is on the death slide to the bottom and has been for years. We are not even a top 6 side any more. So where do we go from here? Who's going to answer the questions with honesty and who's going to give the manager money and most importantly honest backing and time?
I just hope come January the yanks appreciate the response from the fans, Rodgers and players alike and say to themselves, well we didn't quite pull that off! We need to buy a few good players.
I 'm not expecting Falcao or Messi of course but we need to show ambition. There was only one signing i agreed with this summer and that was Allen. He was great for the Swansea and great for great Britain.
The rest for me don't show true ambition.
Jamie
How can you as a liverpool fan say {quote}
This is a huge club by history but it is on the death slide to the bottom weve only played 3 games.get a grip. or go support some other team
Rodgers did get full control over transfers and that was one of the conditions of him joining. They wanted Rodgers as their first choice and when he said he didn't want a director of football like Commolli they allowed that and gave him control.
Paying off the clubs debts when days from Administration shows ambition for me. Because of them you have a club to follow and debate these matters. Without them there would be no LFC
Good post mate
ANFIELDPETE
You are looking for too much
FSG have already outlined their position in black & white
Perhaps you need to read their open letter for what it is not what you want it to be, we would all hope for better but FSG are going on a slow tangent to correct the problems at LFC and thats if they succeed
Paying off club debts when days from administration? Yes....but they got the club on the cheap and had to pay off the debt to straighten the books, they aren't investing enough to re-establish us in the CL, they have Rodgers who I think has already lost some of the senior players after his handling of CArroll, FSG are looking to offload this club - sooner rather than later - they need to re-invest in the Red Sox - unfortunately that is where their heart and priority has been all along - Liverpool FC was a venture into a world football brand that they just do not understand!!
Scouse179 {Ed001's Note - if any of the players have a problem, then they can go, they have not been pulling their weight and don't deserve to play with the Liver Bird on their chest if they won't accept the manager's decisions! The likes of Gerrard and Carragher have meddled for far too long in team affairs, about time they remembered their place. They are damn lucky to still be at the club with their attitudes, they have been allowed to get far too big for their boots.}
Look all you reds our club is going through a rebuilding program on and off the pitch at this present moment in time we have I believe wasted the last money on transfers the owners will not ever let that happen again i think it was a good will jester to the fans first .They will sanction the right players when it suits both parties morgan .This window they with held their money I no it is not
what we wanted but the window has gone nothing we can do except hope Brendan brings through some of our promising young players ( he was at the man city under 21s game monday) this is what the owners want I believe because of the money pumped in to the academy sysytem I am in favour of this happening we have seen what a 17 year old has done what are some of the others capable of doing in the premier league ie suso,ngoo, ibe, morgan ect so come on reds negativety leads to more negativity on and off the football pitch we are not as bad as everyone makes out a win and confidence will soar in the three prem games we have started great but have not been able to sustain it in second half but its early and all the other teams above us including the mancs chelsea arsenal spurs newcastle have not set the world on fire so lets trust in our owners and in our manager come on you reds fans show the team that your still the twelfth man this the time they need us more than ever before close ranks and support our club manager players and most of our owners
04 Sep 2012 16:30:58
you have to have a sense of the past,the present,and the future. and what ever it takes to make liverpool successful again. my life is devoted its all part of the dance. Liverpool may have had a dissapointing transfer window adissapointing start to the season but moaning isnt going to change or help any of that.
what Liverpool NEED right now
what the owners NEED right now
what bendan rogers NEEDS right now
is the support of the fans.
so we need to make anfield the loudest stadium in england, something unseen vs arsenal
our away fans need to give full support to the players for 90 mins. we need to back our players TO THE END
THEN MAYBE WE WILL STAND A CHANCE THIS SEASON.
IN BRENDAN WE TRUST to bring the wins to liverpool.
to bring the champions league back to liverpool
to bring the premiership back to liverpool.
THEY NEED OUR SUPPORT
are we going to give it ?
please post ed,s thank you great site..
♥ YNWA ♥ {Ed019's Note - Yes, I wrote that in my video ;0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwG0A7alxLU&feature=youtube_gdata_player}
If you go to the away games you will know about our support. It cannot be faulted. At home it is different. Too Many supporters who are happy to clap now and then and that is it.
Robbie
I no you did ed019 but i wanted to point out to the few that are moaning what the fans need todo.great vid thanks. {Ed019's Note - no problem }
I agree wholeheartedly with your comments.
WE are were we are.
However, I think that BR's remit from FSG was to reduce the wages bill and this he has achieved.
I also believe that BR was assured that Dempsey would be signed and he trusted that information thereby letting Carroll go.
What really saddened me is that FSG for whatever reason has left our new manager exposed and so open to ridicule.
In his last press conference, he handled himself with dignity and composure and I was very proud that he is our manager.
BR must have some misgiving about the way he has been treated.
He is a young bright energetic manager and just what we need.
To all whose calling for him to go; I ask you who is out there that would do any better. Who else would stick their neck out after all that has gone on recently.
We have been repeated told that there will be no quick fix so it should not come as any surprise that we have not done well.
I am sure that BR will do the best possible job that he can and this will be difficult with the handicaps that he has to deal with.
I don't like it any more that most of you fans but the reality is, this is where we are at and all the negativity and horrible posts that I am reading will not help only hinder. WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR TEAM.
Harry 11
Agree completely have seen it on the video too we will beat sunderland next week and then the mancs 6 points from those 2 games and thats not to bad surely against the mancs at anfield we can make the atmosphere like that semi in champs lge against chelsea what better way to kick start season so cmon everyone ditch the moaning and get behind team liverpool till i die not just when we winning
04 Sep 2012 16:25:05
I'll admit, I was disappointed with the lack of activity in the transfer market after letting Bellamy, Carroll and Kuyt move on. I think that a major bollock was dropped in all honesty. BUT..... Now we can't change anything I think that we could make the next step forward for youth team development with one player in particular. Adam Morgan.
If there was ever a time when we need to look amongst our youth ranks in order to look for a new Fowler or Owen then the time is now. We are strong in every other area of the team, with decent cover in defence in midfeild if an injury or suspension reared it's head. Look at last season with Flanaghan and Robinson and now Sterling. Not to mention the regular inclusion of Kelly. I'm not saying I think that Morgan is 100% ready, But now IS the time for the kid to play from the bench, if not given some starts.
He looked a little bit ragged when he played against hearts, but when he got the chance to stick the ball in the net, he smashed the little Tw6t home.
Listen. AT the end of the day, the vultures are already circling above Anfeild in the form of Media pundits, jurno's, rival fans, rival managers, rival players. Even our own fans For F0ck sake! I acknowledge the mistake that was made, but now is the time for us to stick together, stay positive and have a bit of optimism. I'll bet that if the result against Arsenal would have been different the we the lads and girls who are flapping now wouldn't be half as negative. As it is, we lost and that was always going to magnify the anti climax in the transfer window.
I don't see any other opition than to bring the youth through. At least until January and that could be a blessing in disguise. These kids would never have had the chance to be in the 1st team squad for the league matches, and now they do. It would be an unkown element for rival teams with some youthful unpredictability as we've seen with Sterling. If this happens then I for one would be very excited.
Maybe our hand has been forced but I think it would be a massive positive for Morgan and One or two others to be given a chance. Imagine if Morgan was picked against Sunderland or UTD and Banged one in? Yes. You would Fu2king love it. What a shot in the arm!
Stay positive and sorry for the essey.
Scott78
Good stuff, I hope brian and those in the club are as positive about how to cope.
Who is Brian?
Robbie
Pelosi, Adorjan, Suso and N'goo could be decent calls. Sama, Wisdom and the more experienced Robinson, Flanagan and Kelly need to be shown more at a higher level. Sterling has proven that kids can make it.
ANFIELDPETE
04 Sep 2012 16:24:35
No chance of signing any free transfers in my opinion not going to happen. A mate was throwing a theory out that the reason they sacked the pursuit of Dempsey off is because someone in the club thinks we could get Walcott in January for the same price. Just his theory that I thought I would share. Any thoughts Eds or anyone else?
Also with the lack of signings of the youngsters who do you think will get a chance? Morgan has had a couple in Europe but could Yesil get a chance? Eds?
Please post would like some opinions
Cheers
Jay
Why would Walcott leave Arsenal To go totep Liverpool? Surely he will be looking for a step up if he does leave not a sideways or backward step
04 Sep 2012 16:24:33
I see spirit of shankly have released a letter informing the owners again, how to run the club AGAIN. This is what i am talking about when i say the fan are hurting the club. FFS just let the owners run the club and see where it gets us. All this has come about because we didn't sign dempsey. Jesus christ its not as though he's messi is it? I agree that Ian Ayre isn't a managing director but we really have got to take a step back and stop putting in our ten pence worth otherwise we are going to damge the club! The players and manager need supporting now like never before but it just isn't going to come. I really feel for them now, you can just feel it on match days, as soon as somebody gives the ball away the moans and groans arise instead of the singing and the shouting. It really is damaging. Spirit of Shankly my arse, he'd turn in his grave if he knew us fans were behaving. Its a disgrace!
Ian the red
What? By asking for a Liverpool based chief execitive. Asking for them to have more of a presence over here. Sorry but it makes perfect sense to be and a stance I totally agree with!!
FowlerisGod {Ed002's Note - I cannot see what possible difference it would make.}
I agree however they did have a point a on site chief executive is necessary also I personally think that Fsg are stretched to thin with two massive assets on either side of the Atlantic oh and if u think Liverpool fans are bad go look at a red sox forum wow anyway I support LFC and until they give me a reason that includes FSG BR and all the players
Read my pist back fowler i said i agree on the md role and that ayre is not capable. What grates me is the interference from fans. Surely if we can see it then smart business men can see it also. It wouldnt surprise me if they are working on that right now, lord knows they acted with kenny and commoli! We as fans need to step back its as simple as that im afraid!
Ian the red
.....because we very rarely hear from the owners and see them even less. When we do it's to lay blame on other people. Tom Werner does my head in, he is the chairman, stop blaming other people. They have no link to the fans and continue to ostracise themselves.id you don't want to base someone over here we need a chief executive, only then will the silly mistakes stop
FowlerisGod
Couldnt agree more with the opening p ost.. There was a time and a place for such groups, but they dont need to speak out everytime the owners/manager does soemthing we fans dont agree with, its not the same situation as Hicks and Gillett.
We need to support the team! Not continue to wash our dirty laundry in public at every opportunity, its embarrassing!
ItsNotRocketScience
Don't take me as a sympathiser but H+G put a "presence" over here, that was not constructive for either side.... Ayre is now that link, if you need someone to attack, attack him. And when he says " I didn't have the backing", ask did he have the brains? We have a set of facts we have to understand here, the first, we don't have a rich sugar daddy, and second, if the Fair Play financial stuff comes in properly no-one else will. We need to live within our means and find a way to compete that doesn't mean needing a £100M overhaul ever year followed by critism over what was bought. At least at the end of 2012/13 season Allen and Borini cannot possibly lose as much value as the signings last summer, or the winter before.
"Wahhh we didn't get £100m to spend on players again. Wahhh
No debt, reasonable net spend, and owners actively trying to fix this broken club and all SOS does is moan and moan.
04 Sep 2012 15:28:23
Eds I know you screen the post before they are posted on here so can you just delete all th doom and gloom merchants. Lets give the team more than 3 matches you clowns.
Im sick of all the business talk, none of us are as good at business as Mr Henry if anyone on here is then why didnt they buy the club.
Sick of all the abuse Rodgers is getting after 3 games.
Sick of the abuse Gerrard,Suarez and Reina are getting.
Sick of or gutless fans, the quick fix know it alls.
They are the ones who moaned when KD got sacked but he lost more than 3 matches.
I for one miss our real fans so please Eds delete the rubbish.
Its good to have ideas and talk tactics but some of the rubbish these people post is unreal. I just hope they have access to the razor blades and pills they really need. {Ed002's Note - It backfires if we docn't let at least some of the venting posts through. If they had not had that opportunity at teh weekend there would have been no posts. A lot do get cut.}
Not everybody has your views on how the club is run, its why this is called a forum. I'm in between the doom and gloom and lets give it time folks. I can understand some peoples frustrations because every two years its the same thing...we get a new manager, reset and take two steps backwards.....it is frustrating. You say just support the team, what if we had just done that while hicks and co were trying to bankrupt up?
While I understand you want to just be relaxed and watch us free fall year after year, some of us have concerns and will voice that from time to time.
Slimboy
I bet at least half the people moaning about Rodgers, the owners, Gerrard, Reina etc at the moment wanted Kenny sacked as well mate.
- Something Red -
Tough titty - its not all about you
How the hell, as a fan, can you not be disappointed with Pepe Reina over the last couple of years - not only has he not been the best goalkeeper in the PL - to quote the late great John Lennon - " he's not even the best in Liverpool " ( well he said the Beatles, but I reckon you understand what I mean ).
Reina has always had the backing of the fans, but to be honest he really is one s**t goalkeeper now, never makes a " great save ", any half decent shot on target hits the back of the net ( especially near post ).
I'm not a sh*t fan, not a quick fix merchant, I'm a realist who has an idea of what areas we need to strengthen.
Oh yes, I have no problem putting my name, after over 50 years as a Kopite I have earned the right to be critical on paper - but would never ever boo a Liverpool player or manager at any time at the match, not like the modern Liverpool fans seem to take great pleasure doing when we lose, or even draw.
Bu**er - forgot to sign my last post about Reina.
John B
I wanted Kenny sacked, and I am in full support of the owners and Brendan. Gerrard, I would like dropped however.
Ash
04 Sep 2012 15:26:23
Glaringly obvious that the owners are reducing wage bill, cutting costs and basically preparing to sell the club next summer.
The worldwide financial climate coupled with their own over-stretching with Sox/ LFC has led to them concluding that they're more likely to get a sale pre-stadium than having seen it through to new stadium, champions league qualification etc.
We will have new owners, ye again, by September 2013 in my opinion.
Also, Raheem Sterling is a fine young player but he will sign for a rival club in two years. Sadly, I do not think he feels the love for the club that all of us do.
On a happy note, Jack Dunn . . . just wait
JA
I'm not being funny mate. Just a glaring question that needs to be asked in reponse to your post. How on earth can you predict that Sterling will sign for another club in 2 years?
Fair enough, you said "in your opinion" you think the club will be sold next year, but do you need to add to the negativity that's floating around with blatant bullsh1t predictions?
Scott78
I don't agree on Sterling but the owners selling is a poss so could not hit either....
Whilst Jack Dunn is a fine young player who can basically play anywhere, he has had a very bad hamstring injury. I think he was out for a couple of months with it and then came back a couple weeks ago against Crystal Palace and within 10 minutes of being subbed on he felt it pull again. He was furious and I feel sorry for the kid because he has very good potential.
BthekingB
It must be great to know all this
Just who the hell is going to buy the club, can you see a queue of buyers?
04 Sep 2012 15:16:34
Hi Eds
Do you know possible reasons as to why Assaidi wasnt in the squad to face Arsenal on Sunday?
Vinay {Ed002's Note - He has just arrived and will get his chance. No big deal.}
What!! And sahin hasn't?
04 Sep 2012 16:09:13
Can't believe how far LFC have fallen, after years of success I expected a blip but never this. I grew up in the seventies and eighties when we were really good and throughout my life I've always seen teams go through cycles but seeing the state of us right now I'm really getting worried. Since benitez left things have been steadily going downhill, I think that's obvious for all to see and I know Rodgers needs time but we currently have a team who look like a bunch of strangers and he needs to sort this out asap. Watching the Arsenal game made me sick to my stomach because that was an average Arsenal side and not for the first time we made an average team just look awesome, yes we had a lot of the ball but it was meaningless possession and it's not just the Arsenal game, over the last few years we've made too many teams look great. I used to gauge our league season on how many games we would lose and if we got to seven or eight loses then I would start to worry, we have two already and it pains me to say it but we look clueless. Just look at the good teams who have lost already, for example Man U, they lost against Everton but when they went a goal down they had Everton on the rack, we concede a goal and we crumble. This, right now for me is a massive reality check, it's the first time I've ever admitted to myself that we really are becoming an average mid table team. I'm not being a doom monger, I know the season has just started and I know that there is time to correct things but it's the way we got beat that really worries me. On another note I find this site very therapeutic, I live in Manchester amongst many Utd fans so it's hard to talk to anyone.
A concerned LFC fan.
The worst thing is aswell we have 4 months until the transfer window opens but until then what happens if we get players injured or suspended, we will be goosed if we have injuries, we have loads of prem,europa and that carling what ever the name cup is until january, i am so worried its unreal what has happened to this club we are a shambles and even ex players when we were good cant believe whats happening, please someone help me. Speke red
Dont think theres any point in fans waiting for the window in january as fsg had three months to land a few new faces (up front) and would not pay the money required.there is no reason to think they will spend in january going by what happened on the 31st august.
RED JAY
Ah my wee laddies, dona you fret, I'll have that wee pup Suarez under control this season for ye, because I'll make sure it will be a twelve game ban the next time the boy steps out of line.
Your Obsessive Uncle Fergie
04 Sep 2012 16:03:01
THIS IS ENBEDED IN MY HEART. IN ROGERS WE TRUST, HE WILL HAVE HAS VISION
When you walk through a storm
hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Tho' your dreams be tossed and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never, ever walk alone.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never, ever walk alone
Rogers did not have much of a vision letting 4 strikers go with no striker signed up
{Ed019's Note - I have created 2 New Videos, and they are now on the 'Liverpool Videos' page. I hope you enjoy them, thanks}
#InBrendanWeTrust | Liverpool FC | Season 2012/2013 | HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwG0A7alxLU
#InBrendanWeTrust 2 | Liverpool FC | Season 2012/2013 | HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEwIHil0VHU
Response to the opening line in that song we arnt in a storm we are in a fooking hurricane.
04 Sep 2012 16:01:27
I don't quite understand some of the posts on here about how hard it would be 'replacing' Stevie. There's no need to replace him - he's still a fantastic player but due to his recent dip in form I'd use him as an impact sub and give Shelvey a place which, on recent performances, he rightly deserves in the starting eleven. I think a midfield of Allen, Shelvey and Sahin would be great, then bring on Gerrard when the opposition starts to tire. He hasn't got the pace he once had but still could have a huge effect. As much as I dislike United, look at what happened against Southampton when Scholes came on later in the second half - immediate impact in midfield. The tactic of bringing on fresh legs teamed with enormous experience against tiring opponents worked brilliantly. Using Gerrard in his way could be hugely beneficial, as well as giving Shelvey the opportunity to push forward and cause problems for defenders. Anyway, just my two cents worth! Would be interested to hear other posters' opinions?
JFT 96
JP
Who would be captain? I think Gerrard has caused a few of our problems, but in the right way, if you can understand that. I think the fact he's pulled our club through the good and bad times and now he's slowing down a bit, we need to either accept he's not that player any longer and get on with things or find his perfect replacement, which will be a hard job. I still believe he can do a job for us starting, but the rest need to do their bit, accepting that maybe their captain can't pull the team out of trouble like he maybe used to.
Keith
Keith, I'd imagine the captain would have to be Skrtel. Carra isn't first choice, so he wouldn't captain unless there are injuries to let him play. Reina's next in line after that, but he's so off form I don't think it's an extra burden we should put on him. Lucas has captained a couple of times, but he's injured.
So I think that only leaves Skrtel who's been captain before. Suarez was Ajax captain, but I'd be too worried about him talking himself into a red card if it was given to him.
I think it's too early in the day to talk about dropping Gerrard, myself.
- Something Red -
Id choose either skrtel or agger to be captain.
ACHILLES.
Gerrard does not know his role as is the same problem for other players and its frustrating
Rogers is not getting his ideas accross
Players still playing out of position
Carra and gerrard to the bench the team will play better without them they are stunting development now, gerrard should be used as an impact player, if he's starting to question the manager his days are numbered, no one, that is no one is bigger than the club once you get unrest in the dressing room you've got big trouble look what happened to chelski last year
04 Sep 2012 15:56:06
Hi Eds, Whats going on with Pacheco?
should we not be trying to keep him with our attacking options already limited?
Also, why do we keep playing Borrini left wing, when he is a more central player? Why not push Suarez to the left wing, as he is more of a menace and provioder/creator than a full-on striker.
Lfc Sean
YNWA.
P.s. Can you convince FSG to buy us Falcoa. pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease {Ed019's Note - Not good enough. Please provide me with the contact details and I will try my best}
04 Sep 2012 15:54:15
Borini will come good very soon. Yol will see. I give him 2 more games before he finds his feet in the PL. Then all u moaners will find something else to moan about. I really can't believe how pathetic a majority of the muppets on this site have become.
Van Persie was crap for 7 years, only in his eighth did he come good. Borini will come sooner and Yesil, Ngoo & Morgan will too. They don't need your stupid support. Their goals will do the talking.
Watch this space.
With hope in your heart...
04 Sep 2012 15:50:10
do u think its a good idea to sign Ricardo Fuller? he will be cheap in wages.. has been released and its cover.. i would go for drogba all day long but i cant see it happening and i really do not want owen back
the truth {Ed019's Note - No}
Hell no is this a joke?
Lil Red
04 Sep 2012 15:40:19
Hey guys, not sure what you guys think, but in my opinion, i think we can do without another striker....
I think without getting another striker till the Jan transfer window would allow our current bunch to play that little bit better and harder.... I also think that BR should play Suarez and Sterling on the wings with Borini up top with Shelvey just behind and Sahin and Allen either sides. Would put Adam as our sub Striker and Gerrard, Downing, Assaidi and even Pacheco on the subs bench.... All of a sudden our starting 11 looks stronger (on paper) and our bench looks more dynamic with better options.... What you guys think.....
04 Sep 2012 15:39:00
well of course we don't know if ANY of this is true
but if it is...then my view is Carragher shouldn't be anywhere near the team let alone suggesting additions.
And as for Gerrard - he is a passenger in more games than not. Methinks he should concentrate in holding down his place in the starting line up and let the owners and manager run things. Anyone wanting to come on here telling me that C and G are the heart of the team,loyalty, length of service blah blah blah- save it I am not interested in your bleatings.
All our loyalty is (or is supposed to be)to Liverpool f c not one or two players, mainly because of their birthplace
Puzzled
Totally agree......those two need to realise they're just players like the rest. They're paid big money and the fans expect them to earn it. They're not the special ones, and they don't run the club!
Your not interested in Loyalty
My, My, ever wondered why your puzzled
04 Sep 2012 15:37:42
EDS and LFC supporters
Don't worry, I have solved the problem of the bad start to the season. I had moved my Liverpool shrine to re-decorate late July. My son did the first coat of paint but never got round to the second coat. I have now given up on him and replaced my Liverpool memorabilia. So fear not, after the international break you will see a revived team. JFT96 YNWA. AKLFC
04 Sep 2012 15:25:30
First time poster here. Have heard Luis has promised us one more season after our great support through his race case, similar to what Ronaldo, Fabregas and Modric did with their old clubs. He had planned on leaving during the summer and as one or two offers fell through he decided to accept Brendan's offer of one more season at the club. Very disappointing if true and if true I hope he is replaced properly. He is the only quality player we have and cannot see how we could replace Stevie and Luis in one window. Especially with us having little help from the owners. We need to get behind the team and make sure they get us into the top four so we can give Luis a reason to stay...........EGGS {Ed019's Note - Suarez wants to win the league win Liverpool however long it takes}
Will he still be alive in 90 years ed
Total nonsense. If this was his position, he would not have signed a contract extension this summer. And total rubbish to say he is our best player. To be blunt, he could be quite easily replaced. The bigger question is who to bring in of the type of quality that Gerrard has given us the last decade. Joe Allen shows promise, but we will need other quality signings.
I've not heard of this, and it sounds highly suspect.
E
I'd agree with ed.
he signed a new deal that he is happy with described it as "unbelievable".
he has friends here and is happy.
the premier league is the best league to be in. 7 teams fighting for top 4, with 3-4 teams that can win it.
it has some of the best players in the world certainly the best group of world class players playing for 6 top teams so the quality is spread out.
AND the best coach/manager in the world wants to come back so does a player who is "arguably" seen as the best player in the world currently.
the only other league that can rival it is Serie A but even so, 3 of their best players moved in the summer (ibra, lavezzi, thiago silva)
04 Sep 2012 15:12:54
with the starting month of days, who really thought lfc would win a game. they should just sack the manager
Quick question. Does your brain function correctly?
Why sack the manager, you lot of arm chair person fans all critisising rogers want get the team any were. it will take time for everything to gel together. go suport everton or the scum.
But sacking the manager in September isn't nearly reckless enough! How about we just close up shop? Give Anfield back to the Toffees, and open up a football pub with Stevie G tending bar!
E
04 Sep 2012 15:10:27
Jan 2011 and summer 2011 has put us where we are , spending way over the odds on English practically unproven players minus downing to a degree. Also a lot of these players are on wages they shouldnt be , carrol has no movement and he was a panic buy as well as pointless signing due to him being injured for the majority of that year and only had 1 year unproven. It's not about this year and maybe the next it's about makeing Liverpool a sustainable club that can run by itself producing some of the best youth in the world, playing the way Liverpool needs to play.
I believe Rodgers is the right man for the job, Allen will be a hit for next probably 10 years, borini will need time to fit in but where playing him rw when naturally he is a striker. Sahin is also a great player who needs abit of time due to the style of play in Germany and Spain is different to the English way. Also he hasn't played regular football for the majority of last year due to being on the bench.
Rodgers for me has shown all the right signs , promoted sterling because he thinks he's good enough and he has truly proven that, Kelly and Shelvey and Coates also proven that against man city they can comfortably make the step up.
Also I believe Robinson and Flanagan may need abit more a look in this year. As well as suso Morgan due to the lack of offensive option.
All what am saying it will take time for Liverpool to get back to the top , and I'd prefer to do it sustainably not the way man city chelsea real Madrid have
Nathanthered
All fine, except we are been fed Crumbs and they won't be sustaining anything!
I'd take getting to the top whatever way we can. It is sustainable for Chelsea, Man City and Mardrid becasue they have the financial clout behind them can run up huge debts. Th epoint is we don't have that type of ower.
04 Sep 2012 15:05:26
My god, this site is going to go through every football player out of work and some (Owen) at least 1000 times. How about we just forget about all this grasping at straws? Forget about the ex evertonian that was ok in front of goal 10 years ago until he had that sex change and stop the does that mean she's not eligible to play for us now eds questions. How about LFC just get the f**K on with it. Suarez, Downing, Borini, Stirling start sticking the ball in the net! Earn that cash! Stop ordering them to fight for their shirt and start ordering them to die for it.
Owen was out top goal corer for 7 seasons, my friend, so don't talk such nonsense. The fact he is not right for us now, does not mean that the history of those that have served LFC well should be denigrated. Also, the brutal truth is that we currently do not have a striker that is in his league when he was on top form. For some reason this has been an ongoing problem for us since the Owen/ Fowler era. Torres was of course top class, but around his tenure we have also also suffered the likes of milan baros down the years. Suarez just wastes too many chances in my view, as hard as he tries. The stats from the game against Arsenal are clear about that. We had more chances off and on target and scored none.
04 Sep 2012 14:33:18
whatever happens we always seem to be in the press for the wrong resons. i have to say that this time i do think br is at fault. he made to many quick decisions on the squad. also i think fsg need to take the blame as well. they dont understand the way it works over here. i just didnt think we needed to spend millons like alot of you do. a good goal scorer and two wingers would of been enough. i think alot of the problem is at the end of each season we sell half the squad and try to keep building a new one. you dont see the likes of scum,barca doing it. they just add and let one or two of the first teamers go. i really just cant see br pulling this off not just because he lost the first 3 games but he is a one way manger and dont seem to look at other opions. dont get me wrong when it works its good but football dont always work like that and he does not have any other way. he has already made a big mistake and everyone can see it apart from him. the pressure is on him big time.
I can't believe how naive BR has been and how many mistakes our so called "experienced owners" have made.
Lessons will have been learned but at a high cost to the club. Saving the cost of a transfer negotiator has cost us millions in the finishing position in the league. AKLFC
04 Sep 2012 14:31:52
Pls eds when is dave fallows to resume is job..heard he was on gardening leave..could a fan forum be called so rodgers can explain why he plays borini on the right..I feel he would have scored some of those chances suarez keeps misssing..just ma opinion
04 Sep 2012 14:57:44
Ed's I'm not one of the FSG out, BR out, and to be honest happy to stick it out with what we have until Jan, but if we were to look for a "free" agent, what about Alessandro Del Piero, still scoring for Juventus last season, and the Sydney FC move fell through?
The club is not interested in Del Pierro at this time.
E
Reports coming out of italy at the minute say differently pal.
ACHILLES.
04 Sep 2012 14:56:08
Hey guys, not sure what you guys think, but in my opinion, i think we can do without another striker....
I think without getting another striker till the Jan transfer window would allow our current bunch to play that little bit better and harder.... I also think that BR should play Suarez and Sterling on the wings with Borini up top with Shelvey just behind and Sahin and Allen either sides. Would put Adam as our sub Striker and Gerrard, Downing, Assaidi and even Pacheco on the subs bench.... All of a sudden our starting 11 looks stronger (on paper) and our bench looks more dynamic with better options.... What you guys think.....
Assaidi, Pacheco, Sahin, Borini, Sterling, Morgan how many prem games combined, they don't make our team look stronger just green
As of now, Gerrard is still considered a starting player.
E
04 Sep 2012 14:46:02
henderson should be tried as a centre forward due to his energy, composure and finishing ability. in the long term it may make him a more rounded midfielder as well
You're having a laugh mate ... seriously
Finishing ability? He scored two goal last year, how does that make him suitable for centre forward?
Did you as henderson has composure?
The unsigned keyboard warrior done it on fifa once , he scored 25 !!........andy.
100% The worst post i have ever read, cannot have watched a match.
LTP
04 Sep 2012 14:42:58
anyone else really angry with kenny dalglish? i think the reason we have become the most hated club in england is due to his bad pr, and truly laughable awful awful signings at ridiculous prices which have made us the whipping boys for other premier league fans, i really hope rodgers is a success and gets us going, think he will and hope it shuts up some of the babies on here, moaning like little children, the season is only 3 games old, all the dopes going on twitter an all that abusing the owners you should think about where we'd be if they'd not taken over, down the swanny
antaintree
Don't forget what Hodgson did to us. Dalglish tried his best. He is a legend. Either learn our history or shut up and have some respect.
No. I am not angry with KK. Nor should any serious LFC fan. He has been a great servant for the club and LFC runs through his blood. He is a man of great dignity. Let's not forget that he came out of retirement to deal with the mess that was left with Woy. He lost Torres immediately, but steeped in the LFC tradition he bought and bought big when against the wall. He turned the club around for the rest of the season. The main problem in my opinion last summer was losing Miereles and the continuity that KK had built up since taking over from RH. Last season was poor, but I suspect we finished higher than we will this season. Let's also not forget that other teams where in for the likes of Adam at the time (including Spurs and Man Utd), as he was seen as a good buy. Quite what happened to him I have no idea, but I suspect it is a classic case that a rose amongst S..t stands out, but amongst other fine blooms does not quite cut it.
20 million downing, 35 million on carroll 16million henderson how is that defendable? really? 71 million outlay a year ago we wouldn't recoup half of that now and none of these players are good enough to get in the team that is the truth
And let's face it, you could say the same about all the other buys as well. KK only bought players who looked the business at their old clubs. The fact that they didn't cut it for us wasn't exactly his fault. The players have to take some responsibility for their performances, which were at times dire last season. Just unfortunate that we've lost or given away all the players who found the net last term and not really replaced them. After that showing against the arse I'm more concerned than I have been since Hodgson arrived.
ND
04 Sep 2012 14:41:45
Hi Eds, still sat at the bar on a Thai island watching the sun go down & think the sun has already gone down on any expectations for this season. With that in mind do you really think we'll go for an out of contract mega waged has been or will we blood some talented youngsters with a view to next season? whichever we do I doubt we'll finish any higher than last season so surely the pragmatic & sensible thing to do is to go for youth & save a few shillings at the sane time? Your thoughts?
The club is very happy with the current youth system, and plans to blend many youngsters into the squad throughout the year. A free-agent signing, whilst not off the table, is seen as a solution to a problem that has not presented itself yet.
E
All depends on your expectations, finishing mid table this season as long as the youth are improving will put us in good stead for next season, if anyone expects us to be knocking at the door then they will be disappointed.
we can only improve from here, maybe after the Utd game though, we have had a tough start, it's time for our more senior players to take the weight and see us through.
Big Bill
Big Bill
04 Sep 2012 14:38:10
Eds, why don't you do us all a favour and shut down the Liverpool Rumour and banter sites. The negativity on here is ridiculous and I'm sick and tired of every post saying get FSG Out, get BR out, we are going to be relegated etc. It is every single post just being repeated and this site has now become a waste of time.
Anfield Arnie! {Ed062's Note - mate there is a lot of negativity, but there's also a lot of positivity, just read the positive posts, (thats what i do anyway) there's a lot of good posts on this site too}
If you don't like it, then don't read it.
Don't you think some of these comments are from Wind Up Merchants (Toffee fans).
AKLFC
Well don't read it then you absolute tool
FowlerisGod
04 Sep 2012 14:37:52
Man City fan here asking a genuine question.
How does it feel to be the second best club on Merseyside, I never thought the once great Liverpool FC would topple but scousers you are about to go through a new stage in your life, it's called being an average side.
How you will replace Stevie G too god only knows.
Im pretty sure that once you drive the yanks out (again) and sack Brendan R (by Xmas) someone will come in and re appoint your King (again) and give you a fortune to spend (again).
Take a leaf out of your neighbours across that park, manager stability, excellent scouting system and great looking football on a budget
ED's if you want to print the truth then go ahead, if you don't then don't bother and hide behing those misty glasses
NUFC forever
If you're a Man city fan, why've you signed off with 'NUFC forever'?
Sir, you're an person.
Yes Everton are a good example, especially if you want to save money on brasso
So who exactly do you support?
Is it Man City or Newcastle?
If you're not sure why I ask, look at your opening sentence and then how you've signed off.
Stick to your own site knob head.
Man city fan then sign off NUFC...am i missing something or are you just a dick?
Man city will know all about being average and so will NUFC come to think of it.
That what I love about new found money, nouvo riche, may have money but absolutly no class or dignity!
GGK
So your a city fan but your name is NUFC forever???
"Man City fan here" then you sign off with NUFC forever your either drunk or high take a nap pal.
Tom.
I'm confused you put your a man city fan then you put NUFC forever. Glory supporter?
'Man City fan' yet you sign off as 'NUFC forever' True plastic fan for true plastic clubs! Singred
First you say ur a Man City fan, then u say NUFC. person.
Newcastle forever, until a formerly relegation ridden club is given a cash injection then?
Manchester City fan? NUFC forever - some confusion somewhere
Puzzled
Y dont you take a leaf out of our neighbours.wat scouting systen do you have?all u hav is a truck load of money to splash on any player u like.tats not scouting my friend.cant wait for the day your owners get bored and leave you with nothing but over inflated wage bills.
Say you're a city fan but your name is NUFC.
Man city fan signing off "NUFC forever"
haha
The fact you sign off with NUFC and not MC tells me you a prob a bitter blue,
Why would a City fan sign off "NUFC forever"?
So you're a man city fan but at the end you wrote NUFC (Newcastle). Something tells me you're a bluenose
Man City Fan, and you sign off as NUFC forever, You can keep your advice its more confused than you are!
Mipper
Your one confused little troll arent you?
starting with 'man city fan here' and finishing with 'NUFC forever'?
a bitter troll. and not a very smart one at that.......
Bigbadben
Man City and Newcastle supporter? You are a fraud! Good to know that our fans can at least figure out who they actually support.
He has got a point though!... etid
Obviously the N is right next to the M on the keyboard. I think it's safe to say that this was a miss placed finger rather than a city fan masquerading as a toon fan.
Scott78
04 Sep 2012 14:28:45
I see a lot of you are still making excuses for Rogers who had close to 3 months to sort out his playing staff but failed to do so.
You have also shown good faith in a management team that totally lacks the basic football knowledge, judging by thier actions thus far.
Perhaps I should remind you what a poster once said during the early stages of the transfer window when we stood still and watched others snap up all the decent and cheap players while we did nothing: self denial is not the name of a river in Africa.
Let us discuss this once again after we must have lost to United and Sunderland and are sitting uncomfortably as first from the boottom of the league table.
Sad fan.
Take the word "fan" away and I think we have the correct name!
GGK
I think 'pondlife' would be more fitting
Puzzled
We will get 6 out of 6 points in our next two games. We are LFC we come back strong.
Mighty reds
I guess a good question for you would be who is currently the best club in Manchester? City may be the current number one team but that doesn't make you the greatest team in Manchester. Everton finished last season above us and are currently above us, but they have a long way to go to be greater than us.
Super
3 months is not long enough sit tight and enjoy our progress judge the whole structure from top 2 bottom in may
04 Sep 2012 14:24:50
never posted before but why ain't liverpool playing oussama assaidi looks like a great player.
Altogether now....try the search button.....
04 Sep 2012 14:21:56
This being Liverpool documentary is a disgrace to Dalglish. Showing his sacking they should ne ashamed of themselves
He should be ashamed of the tripe that he purchased which has left us lightyears behind the better teams
We were already light years behind! Rember Konchesky
If you don't like it simply don't watch it.
Mighty reds
KK is a big boy who made a lot of money in this business. I think even Legends can take a little criticism. I am a big KK fan, but let the documentary be a reminder the insane amount of money him and Comolli spent on complete crap players.
Have you seen it yet
^ Tripe like Luis Suarez?
04 Sep 2012 14:20:50
Missing out on Dempsey and wallcott/sturridge might end up being a blessing in disguise.
We will no doubt struggle and top 4 is looking a bit more unlikely now.
But we always play better when we are underdogs and when we are not bogged down with expectation.
We will also give plenty of starts now to Stirling, Morgan and probably suso.
A good year in the deep end will progress them a lot further than playing second fiddle to Dempsey etc.
This will help them even more than even a loan in my opinion because they are playing in front of the kop, playing with Liverpool players the Liverpool way. No suprised for if/when they return from loan.
We are building for the future so why not just blood the
best of the youngsters and see where it takes us.
MIKEY
And if they are not up to the job? Maybe thats why Morgan was not on the bench on Saturday. Rodgers would know better than us. Carrying even one player is impossible in the Pl, even against the worst teams.
Exactly arsenal do it, why can't we?
At last, a poster agreeing Rodgers knows better than us, that's why he didn't kick up too much fuss when Carroll went on loan.
We have got to live with what we've got, lets suck it in and get on with the job, and if you are not up for it, you know where the door is.
Big Bill
Like andy carroll
04 Sep 2012 14:04:22
Ok I think I need to stop looking at this site for a while.
Ultimately we've played 3 games, 2 of which were against champions league quality opposition in City and Arse.
Yes we've had a poor start. The WBA is even worse now in hindsight. But against Man City we were the best team by far.
However after 3 games it would seem we're doomed to relegation, and all the players, staff and boardroom should be sacked.
We missed out on 1 player (Dempsey). Everyone was screaming for Adam and Spearing to be shipped out. You got your wish. Carroll always split the fans.
The squad is thin but has quality. You all wanted the kids to get a chance, so now you have your wish.
Here's a crazy idea, how about you support the team we have through thick and thin until May, regardless of how we finish you may actually start to feel better for yourselves.
Half of the posters on here sound as if they should be contacting the Samaritans not a football banter/ rumour site.
It's been emotional, but I just can't keep reading this rubbish.
So I'll be waiting on the results instead, here's hoping Rodgers can prove you all wrong. But if not, I'm still proud to support Liverpool FC, to enjoy the good times (there have been many) you also have to endure the bad.
YNWA
Kez
100% agree - Finally someone talking sense.
Fergus_Red
Well said mate
Learpholl {Ed062's Note -
Stop looking at it then.
Tommy.
With you on that.
KernowRed
Good for you and I will support the team through thick and thin, but I'm not happy with FSG they just seem incapable instilling any confidence. Some fans do always over react and are just the clubs silly brigade, but its a different beast when its large portions of supporters that are voicing their concern, something is going horribly wrong at our club and someone is responsible for it, and whosoever it is I want the club to be free of them.
Camber
I think I will join you, I will start coming on the site when we start winning a few games!
Even then I am sure we will get Gerrard is crap, Shelvey is not Liverpool quality (whatever that is), Johnson can't defend ect.
I will support this club until the end, if it is in div 3 then so be it. Everyone involved want the best for the club, if you cannot see that then you are blinkered and a sucker for media drivel.
We may not agree on how they are going about things but statments like "the owners are crap" or sending personic remarks on twitter are just embarressing.
I see people right the club is becoming a laughing stock, well if that is so quite a few supporters are contributing to it.
This site has become a magnet for moaners who need to get a life!
GGK
Breath of fresh air spings to mind wen reading this post
chris
I think you will find that a fair percentage of the moaners or negative posts are that extreme they must be fans from other clubs with a problem and like to stir it up.
Many LFC fans just take the bait
04 Sep 2012 14:00:56
Just wanted too say, i seemed to be the only one of my friends who knew who yesil was. That was only because i bought him in my first season on football manager.
He is a "wonderkid" on there and becomes quality. So just a hint for any gamers out there ;)
Hopefully he comes good and gets the golden boot like he just got in 2015 hehe.
Benny baller
Shelvey was one of our best players sunday.just need to sort formation out.Need one of midfielders to play defensive midfield.ARSENAL ran through our midfield, and need to cut out silly mistakes
04 Sep 2012 13:59:17
Only options I can see worth a weekly wage:
Somen Tchoyi (West Brom last year links up play very well - doesn't score much but anyone would have a betr finishing % than Suarez)
Sinama Pongolle (remember it is desperate times. He's fast and skillful. That it all)
Anelka (I wish.....he's not actually available and if he was then he could do better)
Sean Ireland
If we're that bad maybe you should support an irish team pal
ant
Maybe his surname is Ireland and not infact Irish
Dublad (Irish)
04 Sep 2012 13:59:11
Problem is Boofs bro that regardless of the turmoil inherited from H&G,poor decisions made by FSG have added to old and created new problems.
So yes we need to be rational regarding expenditure and be really smart with our recruitment, I have no problem with that.
The problem I have is not that we cant match City or Chelsea in terms of finance, rather it is the ongoing poor leadership at the club. I do not see a strategy for on field recovery. We now have a weaker squad and a more inbalanced squad than we did before the summer window.
So can you tell me how FSGs approach so far encourages you?
1 The appointment of Commoli
2 The pernament appointment of Daglish
3 The sanctioning of £35m A Carroll and then PR bull about £15m less than Torres??
4 The sanctioning of big spend on Henderson, Adam, Downing(who most people could tell you were overpriced and over rated)
5 The failure last Jan to pick up a cheap striker option.
6 The PR disaster around Suarez.
7 The public courting of replacement managers
8 The public talk of a director of football, which was then quickly dropped as FSG change their strategy to suit Rodgers.
9 The PR fiasco regarding the US website declaring the signing of Dempsey.
10 The promotion of Ian Ayre to a position that is way beyond his ability.
11 The PR own goal to allow BR to ship out deadwood and say he would be nuts to lose AC without a replacement and then to let that very situation unfold which has led to negative headlines, an open letter from Henry and deflated morale around Anfield.
12 The hogging of players to other clubs to secure deals( how do you think Henderson feels now?)
13 Our much heralded academey has lost the greatly respected Pep Segura because he was led to believe he would be promoted but wasnt.
Football is not complicted, Man Utd are the Premier leagues most successful team, because Fergie deals with the problem. They lost on goal difference last year so he goes out and buys the leagues top scorer. Now we cant afford to do that but we certainly needed a proven goal scorer in the team, we buy Borini for over £10m potential? maybe? prolific? no not yet. But a clever buy like Jelavic or Michu would have given our squad that much needed improvement.
Carroll should never have been bought but to be then loaned out without a replacement when the teams biggest weakness is goal scoring is not clever ownership or management, ITS DUMB REALLY DUMB.
So I dont expect us to sign Higaiun or Cavani etc (they wouldnt come anyway we also have to realise that as fans).
But what I expect is a strategy and clever buys that slowly change and improve the team. Last year I felt the squad was poor but we still could beat the big teams and reach 2 cup finals. So if we had not ripped Kennys team apart but spent the money on say a pacey winger and proven goal scorer would we be set up stonger for the season? We will see finish below 8th with no cup finals and it will be hard to PR spin the steps forward we are taking.
I dont know, but this window has destabilised the club. I like Brendan but FSG need to provide a strong leader to guide the club at a higher level.
At the minute FSG are making the difficiult road to recovery harder and bumpier for themselves.
So yes forget Sugar Daddies not gonna happen and not what most decent fans want, but equally dont turn on fans who love the club and have real questions over FSGs tenure.
I went to ROME in 84 I have followed the club all my life and have been home and away cheering on the club I love. I am not a troll or an person I simply like many other fans have concerns.
Its not a matter of FSG out, more please please get your act together, seek out the best advise and progress the club. If you appoint a manager sit down and work out an in depth plan dont let a summer fall apart on the last day, and weaken the manager.
I long for the day when the only statements from LFC come from Rodgers and we dont think about owners or CEOs etc.
They arent football people, its only been two years, give it some time if you support the club properly you will realise this. Give it as long as it takes. This season was always a write off
Best post I've read here for a while.
Fantastic post, FSG have a lot to learn but don't seem to be finding the best advice. Whatever, I'm LFC 4 ever. AKLFC
Couldnt agree with what you said any more any chanve the eds can forward this onto the club
04 Sep 2012 13:50:52
The owners backed BR with the signing of borini! Is he not the striker they thought he was buying! Also if AC was always going to be surplus , and we really wanted Dempsey,why didn't we make him a priority signing ahead of 10 mil borini !
Not having a pop at BR, feel he's the right man for the job, just fed up of the kicking the owners getting a kicking when they are trying to be responsible , paid off contracts of players who were big earners, etc. Judge them in a few years not now!
Boofs bro
Ha, ha.
So who can we blame in the meantime, if not FSG!.
LFC are a house of cards right now, swaying in the wind, all threatening to come tumbling down.
FSG saved us from H&G, but who will save us from FSG.
The club is exactly where it deserves to be, poor performances over 2 years, poor player signings, lack of managerial cohesion, limited ownership commitment, poor strategic direction, and most telling 'lack of resources and funds', no progress on stadium or redevelopment, dodgy and dirty partners (Standard Chartered), and let's not forget the 'spectre' of racism that hangs over all.
All this considered, I think FSG have done a fantastic job (lol), hiding out in Boston, and releasing punitive and idiotic statements.
The word f**ked, tells the story, and 18th in the league sounds about right, 1 point from 9, 2 goals scored and 7 conceded, tells the true plight of the club.
Sadly, it doesn't look like getting any better in the short term.
So keep dreaming, its going to get a lot worse, until progressive and dynamic, strategically focussed, and participative owners come on board.
04 Sep 2012 13:49:23
edds do you think any of our youngsters could step up to the plate and bang in some goals? {Ed002's Note - We won't know unless they get a chance.}
In your opinion, who do you think would be the most likely to succed?
Ed002, would you not agree that last year you would have maybe expected "cameo" appearances from youngsters and now the circumstances have changed and not necessarily because the younsters have improved leaps and bounds? Cheers
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Sterling will clearly get more time, and perhaps Shelvey so they are coming on. PAcheco is back but I am not sure what the plans are. Morgan should get a chance and a couple have arrived. I expect everyone will be saying "glad we didn't get that waster Cavani" pretty soon.}
Ngoo is worth a punt but as always when u put the kids in, it has to be the right game
Len
04 Sep 2012 13:42:26
Any update on the yesil buy back clause? Can't find a answer on the search function.
Cheers
Red Rout
04 Sep 2012 13:37:39
Nobody has mentioned Stan Collymore for a comeback.....He said himself 6 months ago he reckons he could still cut it in the premiér league.....He couldnt of course but nor could any of the other candidates ! ! ;)
I think his calender is taken up with talking rubbish on the radio, dogging and hitting swedish weathergirls
antaintree
04 Sep 2012 13:30:47
Toon fan here in peace. Just interested to know, BR obviously doesnt see Carroll fitting in at LFC which is why he let him go to West Ham, and consequently left you short up front.
Now I know a lot of you were bashing Ashley and his 13-17mil (whichever rag you read on the train) offer, but in hindsight and knowing of the Carroll/Dempsey farce, would you have let Carroll (a bench warmer and last resort) leave for what Ashley wanted and then bring in Dempsey for 6, with a bit of change left over?
Anyway, good luck for the season, hope Sahin forgets his boots November! Looks quality.
I would have been extremely annoyed if we would have let Newcastle buy Carroll for that price because Ashley is quite simply a merchant and I'm sure every single fan/employee of the club wouldn't be able to stand the thought of him sat up there is Newcastle laughing his ass off about how much money he'd just taken us for in the last year and a half. I could see hm going back for maybe £25mil if he has a couple of really good seasons but otherwise I suspect hell will have to freeze over first before he is allowed to go anywhere near the Toon squad again.
I think the whole thing is that Newcastle mugged Liverpool once and didnt want it to be twice.
The Irish Rover
04 Sep 2012 13:29:48
Does anyone worry if Sterling has a fantastic season, then the owners could sell him for around £12-15m? {Ed019's Note - They won't}
This is ridiculous because this value would probably double in another year and probably triple when he hits his peak.
Wouldn't they Ed?
They like getting people off the wage bill, and after all, he's the perfect candidate for FSG to profit on. {Ed062's Note - haha you guys are funny, all the players that were sold this summer were either past it or not good enough}
There is a difference with getting Aurelio, Maxi, Kuyt, Aquilani, Bellamy off the wage bill and Raheem Sterling. If you can't work it out then you are an absolute muppet.
They will.
Profit is all that the Boston 'crabs' understand.
I agree ed but replacements...!!
i swear the owners love up on the last day on transfer windows.
the first one was january we got suarez but then, sold torres and replaced him with carroll.
then in the summer kenny lost his marbles
then jan we were supposed to tie up a deal for benzema and about 3 others. then one by one all of them fell through
then now the last day they leave us with a first team squad of 22 players.
lucas injured
cole - who BR wants nothing to do with
doni - who is where?
which leaves 19
04 Sep 2012 13:25:07
I'm hearing crap about net spend, profits, loss blah blah this isn't FM. I highly doubt anybody on here even knows exactly what financial situation is for us. Just because we sold doesn't mean we have to buy, the owners might need it for themselves as it is their club after all. The players we sold how do you know FSG aren't using their wages to fund something else? People totalling the wages up saying we are spending this and saving that How do you know the exact amount? Surely players don't let it out, yea you hear 'reports' we need to admit we aren't big boys anymore
LFC are only a 'big club' in historical terms.
04 Sep 2012 13:18:37
Liverpool fc will do well to finish in the top 10 this season.
the simple fact is.........the players have no idea what they are doing on the pitch!
gerrard goes missing every game,
the full backs are playing like forwards and never defend, so we have 2 defenders each game...and you can see every attack the opposition has is basically almost a goal!
there is no structure at all.............we are not compact..and so easily to attack against.
we are making so many mistakes because the players havent got a clue at where they are supposed to be...so any team can beat us.
nothing will change..............this is not because liverpool need to get used to the system..........
arsenal got hammered at the beginning last year remember? and everyone was saying he is finished! but the fact is...he had hardly any decent players in that 11, he had injuries etc...and it all changed when he bought some last min and it all changed.
we have the players right now to do well...........but it wont click..after the 8th game...or the 15th.......
so brace yourself for this season for alot of disappointment........because we are just too open in midfield and at the back in every single game....
until that part gets sorted.........unless rogers changes that.......we will concede goal after goal.
red lobster
Seriously do you not understand that the whole tiki-taka philosophy, is not going to happen overnight? It's a 2-4 year project! Cut the slack, give it time
I beg to differ on that. After 10 games or so just watch what happens. Teams will hardly have a touch of the ball let alone the chances you are seeing at the moment. We'll begin to keep the ball and the fullbacks will become assets rather than out of position.
This is a radical new way of playing that no one in this country is really used to seeing and most fans at the moment can't really see how it will work because as you are learning it you lose the ball and look like mugs because all your team is ahead of you and you lose a goal. Just watch - that all I'm saying.
Simon
Having read all your posts via the search function, it's clear you were born to attack eveything regards this club.
This 4 3 3 formation is awful if u don't have highly skilled players.. its vulnerable defensively , neither do u boss the midfield, nor have too many players in attack.. 1 central striker who is more of a creator less of a finisher.. just bcoz bar ca has been successful with it with messi,villa,iniesta,xavi,alves doesnt mean necessarily that we would also..
I for one think we have a pretty good quality side that can be used properly in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-1-1 shape which could give us much more balanced defensive and midfield shape and every player would know their own role..
Plus doni deserves some game-time now..he was roma no1 choice b4 stekelenburg arrived and his good enough to cover reina during his current slump of form..
Cant beat a good..........dose of ......pessimism.........
Bigbadben
Arguably, we did play a 4-2-3-1 formation at times against Arsenal: Defence, Allen & Sahin, Gerrard further forward with Stirling & Borini, and Suarez up front roaming.
Other times, it moved, maybe to a 4-4-1-1 as Stirling and Borini tracked back while Gerrard couldn't be arsed! You can't fixate on actual numbers, the style of play is too flexible for that - I bet Rodgers doesn't have a fixed set of numbers he sets as his formation!
Lol. bit dramatic that mate. the midfield was a bit stretched (stevie had an iffy game) apart from that, we just lacked a bit of penetration
04 Sep 2012 13:17:05
Fact is that KD should not have been appointed , instead of trying to appease the fans FSG should have brought on board thier own man then. Now we are £100m short and nowhere closer to where we need to be. Weaker squad and having to wait until Jan to see if there are any funds available. The only option is to give youth a chance , hate to say it but it worked down the road and what have we got to lose , it couldnt get any worse , could it??
KD was appointed because he was the best that was available at that time and his results whilst he was temporary the half-season before suggested he would be a steady hand for a further 2 years. RED LENIN
One of our two strikers could get injured! or maybe even both! there is still room for it to get worse yet
john
Really , I think it was more like FSG didnt want the fan backlash by not giving the job to Kenny. Its easy retrospectively of course , I just hope they all know what they are doing.
FSG need more presence in and around Anfield , its a bit non commital from so far away. Hunter.
04 Sep 2012 13:14:02
How the eds put up with such negativity on here is incredible,I along with others were desperately disappointed with Fridays transfer window,but get a grip and support your club instead of criticizing the manager and the owners.
Do these supporters want our club to go the way of Leeds and rangers,surely stability in the long term is what we all want or am I missing something?
Smudge
Seems to be heading that way already.
04 Sep 2012 13:09:43
Hi eds.
The Signal Iduna Park is one magnificen stadia. Massive capacity and nicely compact. So I was wondering. How feasible would it be to do the same with Anfield? I know we probably looking at a final 60 000+, but still, would it be possible to add 33 000+ seats, all in one go? How long would it likely take to complete and what would be the cost?
Eds?
BARNEY {Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not going to build an 80k plus seat stadium.}
To be fair what ever size stadium they build it will be filled!
Won't need one at this rate!!!
04 Sep 2012 13:09:26
Look forwrd to the extra coverage the championship will get with Liverpool in it next year ha ha ha ha ha
Surely you can do better than that try being original next time
Texas red
Friday night football, cant wait :)
Dublad
04 Sep 2012 13:09:16
Just bumped into Heskey in the sandon, he nipped in for a Pepsi and a bag of scampi fries before headin to anfield to put pen to paper on a 3 year contract. I can almost taste the glory days returning
3 years ha ha!
What a load of crap Heskey is allergic to scampi fries
Kerryred
It was actually diet pepsi. He is trying to get into shape!
3 years as the janitor
Would that be Emily Heskey his more prolific sibling? Sign her up I say!
04 Sep 2012 12:58:03
When we are condidering Michael Owen and other free agents thats when you know we are not a big club no more.
The thing is we weren't considering them.
The media were saying we were.
Some so called fans said we were.
Not once did anyone at LFC say we were.
All BR said was that he would consider any/all options to make the squad team stronger.
That could be as simple as taking more of a look at the youth set-up and promoting some of the exceptional talent and giving them a chance.
I know i would rather that happen than bring in a player no-one else wants (whether than be age, injury history, attitude or wage demands).
Leave BR alone. He knows what he wants and how to get where we need to be.
It won't happen overnight (definitely not after 3 games into the season!!).
I distinctly remember BR saying they were looking at 1 maybe 2 additions in his press conference on transfer deadline day.
AND i still cannot get over the fact he left Mellwood at 5.30 and Ayre left at 6 and by the time LFCTV went live at 7 there was no one left in the building trying to see if there was ANY last minute deals that could have been done for a striker.
vrcomp
Y.N.W.A. {Ed062's Note - he left at 8.00 (not that it matters)}
This is for so called die hard LFC fans.Leave BR alone. Keep ur moaning,baseless negative comments to urself.
holy_red.
04 Sep 2012 12:53:34
We would be a laughing stock if Owen joined Liverpool. Promote Morgan and forget about Owen. He does not care about Liverpool FC and we do not care about him. Have some pride even if it means struggling until January but have targets ready to join on the first day of window. Lets be patient and build for the future. Owen will not be part of that.
We are not going to challenge this season so lets plan for next season and make sure we do not make the same mistakes of the last two seasons.
Steve068
Morgan looks like another Spearing, Mellor etc, he won't make it at the top level. We need a proven goalscorer in the short term.
John B
Mellor would be a god send at this moment in time!!!
I dont think morgan will make it to the top.
In my opinion suso and yebda will definately make it big. Ibe texxeria mclauglin sama wisdom and sinclair have a chance. However young players develop at different times so it is hard to know. However it is many opinion that only suso is ready to be a regular first team player.
How do you know he wont make it to the top level?
I disagree. Morgan is a natural goal scorer. He was being played out of position against hearts and didn't look comfortable.
04 Sep 2012 12:51:16
Hesky has been in contact with lfc my mate who lives by melwood entrance text me about half 5 last night whislt I was in work and said he's just been spotted goin in. My mate is a blue so I thought he was joking untill I've seen a few rumours this morning.
Lee C
Is he a troll your mate....sorry they live under bridges not gates!
04 Sep 2012 12:45:44
Can anyone explain me the rumours going around after tr. market closed? Is it possible to buy someone if the market is over? I don't understand it. If the player is not playing for any club they can buy him or how this whole thing works?Thank you for response.Appreciated {Ed002's Note - PLayers not contracted to another club at the end of the transfer window can sitll be signed.}
04 Sep 2012 12:57:09
Rodgers and FSG have both been abysmal so far, their handling of players has just been atrocious, and before anyone tries to defend Rodgers, know that he playing Borini and Suarez out of Position, he is ignoring that Shelvey is playing better than Gerrard, he also tried to offload Henderson and Downing in the transfer window, my god what would our team be like if had also lost those two, 17 man squad thats what. Rodgers is a twit
Jimbo
Agree that rogers is a twit. . .
. . . but rogers is a yes man twit and will be kept by Henry so that manipulation is easy
Well said Jimbo. I'm amazed that there are still some deluded persons out there who actually think FSG are doing a great job.
Rodgers has unsettled a fair few players , Carroll before being booted out on loan , Downing (thats really going to help his confidence) , Henderson (young lad needs boosting not used as bait for a cut price transfer). If called upon would those players be 100% for Rodgers??
So far really not impressed , most of the above has been done in the public glare too!!!!
Jimbo - did you write this recently? (below)
'It's 1 game in a 38 game season, we've still got 37 to go, so lets get behind Brendan and the team!'
Jimbo.
Wow....u manc's make me laugh lol
Bazingaa
Wow Bazingaa that was cutting, think of that all by yourself!
Pain is now inevitable where once suffering was merely optional.
Carter
04 Sep 2012 12:55:38
Top-flight clubs must submit their 25-man squads to the Premier League by 1600 BST today. A full club-by-club breakdown will be available on the Premier League website at 1700-1800 this evening.
If a club is unable to name 25 fit, over-21 players, in their squad they will be allowed to submit a list with a number of open positions that can then be filled by free agents at any time. However, clubs who do have 25 fit and over-21 players cannot deliberately leave players off the list in order to fill them with free agents between now and January 1.
Can we fill this?
Iceman
We will have open slots.
E
Its not a rule to fill 25 man squad
We have never named a 25 man squad .........
04 Sep 2012 12:37:35
HI Ed, Am i right in thinking that Glen Johnson was a striker when younger?, We have plenty of defenders to fill in but are lacking big time in the stiker department,
He knows how to score and has good ball skills ,Not afraid to take players on and has an eye for goal...Maybe just maybe he could be the answer until January at least.
Bobby. {Ed002's Note - Why not give the young strikers already at the club a chance?}
04 Sep 2012 12:31:30
Owen will sign tomorrow for Liverpool. Inside Info........
Stoke City is where he will go.
04 Sep 2012 12:21:38
HI Eds
Do you guys know if we have considered del piero (not sure if the spelling is correct) Reports down south suggest he has yet to agree to terms with sydney and southampton sniffing and offering a 2yr 1m euro deal. I know his age might count against him but a proven goalscorer none the less.
Thoughts Please
Bazza 4 {Ed002's Note - I answered this yesterday - search on "54 years old".}
He is younger than Scholes and Giggs all the same
04 Sep 2012 12:21:22
Eds ed002 if around,
Was wondering if you agree with my post from earlier or am just deluded in my thoughts on our owners?
Many thanks. Boofs bro {Ed002's Note - Looks good.}
04 Sep 2012 12:35:22
By my count our Premier League list will contain 20 names ( including Doni , wherever he is ) .
The U21 players who will not be named include Borini , Sterling , Shelvey , Flanagan , Robinson and Wilson .
Surely every player under 21 won't be named....
Correct , every player born after 01/01/91 will not be named , including the above .
04 Sep 2012 12:34:59
Surely after the lack of a new striker last year we would have made more of an effort to get one this transfer window, especially as our main problem was scoring last season, by all accounts we played some lovely football in many of the games last year. Virtually every other premier league squad has four recognised forwards, even most championships clubs do, so why are we left with 2 recognised forwards as well as some unproven youngsters?
04 Sep 2012 12:34:53
Yesil not ready for the first team? Surely worth using him and Morgan to ease the burden? Any thoughts?
04 Sep 2012 12:29:52
Perhaps a time will come when some of the posters can tear themselves away from their games consoles and wake up to the fact that football is a business “ like it or not. Today we have the stark choice of either trying to run the club on a rational financial basis with a long term business strategy or letting the club become a rich man's plaything that can be cast aside if he looses interest leaving the club unsaleable because of the unrealistic player contracts left on the books. Wake up and smell the coffee we won't win the premiership for the next couple of seasons and we won't get a new stadium in the foreseeable future but a club is being built on sound footballing and business principles that will still be a force to be reckoned with when we are past climbing the steps into The Kop.
Redpath
04 Sep 2012 12:27:04
Just a thought regarding all of the owen speculation. Maybe, as its been Olympic year, he could take on board some of the highly praised Olympic values and return to help us out for nothing.
This - in my opinion - should be the only circumstance that would allow him to pull on the famous red shirt.
He is coming to the end of his career and is very rich already. I have seen 1.5 mil being mentioned for his services by other clubs ??
Only in this profession - considering his sickness record - would this happen !
Go on Mike, show us what you are made of and do it for free. You don't need the brass, but we need some goals.
dj....c
Absolute non-sense.
04 Sep 2012 12:25:15
Is Fowler an option as cover? He's already been involved in the American tour. I can't see him getting starting time but I'm assuming he would still be able to offer cover and he's obviously a natural finisher. My doubt would be is he a better option than Morgan and Yesil? Not being involved in the day to day business of the club I have no idea if he would even be considered?
Mark B.
04 Sep 2012 12:23:31
Hi Ed's, I know he isn't a striker but is there any interest in Royston Drenthe? He is 25 and at his physical peak. Would you also like to she'd some light as to why he is a free agent? Thanks
I'd sign him, 25, lightning pace, powerful left foot, skills, can play lb, lwb, lw, lwf and rw.
04 Sep 2012 12:20:29
PIE IN THE SKY: If we were to bring in a free agent (if) for me it would have to be Robbie Fowler, the natural finisher. A move that would please alot more supporters than the crocked rat others speak of, and most likely to be fitter! Maybe. And he would command a minimum fee if any.Thoughts?
KNEE JERK.
Knee jerk reaction...
Pointless. Bring some youngsters through,.
Lets try him on £150 a week, £6,000 per game and £10k per goal...Beats the deal Blackpool offered him!
The problem with either Fowler (or owen!) is that we'd be laughed at. There has been enough of that over the last year with racism, over paying for players, transfer deadline problems etc. It really wouldn't do our credibility any good at all and this would have a negative effect on the squad.
If we are taking any player it has to be Drogba. That would earn us respect for pulling off a coup.
^ Knee jerk reaction to KNEE JERK^
Pie in the sky aside the only way forward is to bring Morgan, Sterling etc through like us the supporters was asking for last season. Now it's happend let's see how they develop. All the best.
KNEE JERK.
Henry came back to arsenal last year. Fowler wouldn't be bad he could help some of the youngsters and would have a positive effect on the team. Jdog
04 Sep 2012 12:15:34
I think it's time to move on. What's happened has happened. We must put our faith in the owners and respect what they are trying to do with our great club. Did anyone actually, honestly believe that things were going to change overnight? We've had three games. We made silly mistakes (again) in each one and our luck still seems to be missing but we must get behind the team. Personally we should forget signing a striker. Respect to Michael Owen but he's too injury prone. Why not use Ngoo, Yesil and Morgan? Use them as super subs and give them game time they need. This will give much needed rest to Suarez et al who are going to play many games this year.
Didn't the great philosopher Hansen once say, "You don't win anything with kids..." I know it was said about the s**m but the principles are the same and wow! we do have some in redibly talented kids!
I like Mr Rogers, I like FSG, I love LFC and they need our undivided and unwavering support.
I think we all need to get off this bad luck bandwagon. I'm a firm believer in you make your own luck with hard work
Jonesred
Ive just said exactly the same thing further down the page mate. he kids are hungry for success and they would give anything to prove their worth unlike those who think they have done the lot in the game. But the problem is liverpool fans have forgotten what it means to support, the days of fighting for for alan evans and fighting for ian st john have gone, the fans are becoming the hinderance and they are to blind to realise it unfortunately!
Ian the red
04 Sep 2012 12:15:19
Listen up fellow red's massive storm clouds are hovering above anfield!.Read between the lines of john w henry's letter,fact is it's clear there's no money,brendan rodgers hasnt got the final say on transfers,and there will be no quick fix player brought in to beef up our goal shy strikers.Rodgers wanted dempsey,but fsg decided that they knew better and overuled the manager.Begs the question who is really calling the shots.I expect the club to be unofficially put up for sale very soon,as they (fsg) know liverpool fans patience will soon give way if the team continue to struggle.Also given they are nearly 2 years into theire ownership of the club,they are still nowhere near having a final solution on the the new stadium.Worrying times ahead again im affraid people,but every cloud has a silver lining and all that.
Oh shut up!
"fact is it's clear there's no money" -
There is money. It has been used to pay off losses caused by H&G. For example, the £50m costs for a stadium that never happened. It has also been used to invest in the squad. Our expenditure on players since FSG took over is higher than their income on player sales. That money has come from somewhere! Perhaps not out of FSGs back pocket but increase income from commerical interests. Warrior being the most obvious!
"brendan rodgers hasnt got the final say on transfers" -
Why should he? He selects players he in interested in. The club decide if there is money for those player. We're not exactly in a situation where the club are buying players and BR is being told to work with what he's given. FSG were simply not prepared to have to cough up an extra million to Fulham over the amount that Spurs / Villa were having bids accepted for.
" fsg decided that they knew better and overuled the manager.Begs the question who is really calling the shots.I expect the club to be unofficially put up for sale very soon,as they (fsg) know liverpool fans patience will soon give way" -
That's because there are too many ungrateful and impatience people supporting the club. Answer me this question: Do you want a rich arab to come in, splash cash and destroy the heart of our club so that they have a toy to play with OR do you want us to be a successful team competing with other clubs without sugar daddies? i.e. Man U, Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle.
In the current climate of football stupidity I'd settle for 4th place. Leave Man U to rack up the debt and Man C and Chelsea to be dumped when their owners get bored.
04 Sep 2012 12:13:31
lots of people are complaining about the owners at the moment. obviously it is unfortunate we could not bring in another forward to replace andys loan but it is not the end of the world. we have borini suarez sterling downing morgan assaidi yesil cole pacheco etc on the books capable of playing in that front three with four or so of them able to fit the central role. who knows stevie could yet get a false #9 role in the side.
Anyways i think theres too much doom and gloom at the moment as having a small squad can have its advantages eg- form and fluency.
would also like to say well done to the owners for keeping hold of key players such as suarez, skrtel and agger despite interest from big clubs.
NZL_red
Couldn't agree more new Zealand red. Let's stop whining and get on with it. Yes we should have replaced Carroll but its done now.
We have
Ngoo
Morgan
Pacheco
Ibe
04 Sep 2012 12:13:09
I blame Wifi for all these trolls havin internet access. Clearly their bridges dont interfere with their signal... Unfortunately
LOL . . . Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black . . .
04 Sep 2012 12:07:03
Klasnic has indeed signed for Mainz (a website). His daughter lives in Hamburg so no-brainer for him.
Any news on anyone else, no?
Am i right in saying we don't have to sign someone today if we only submit a 24 man squad?
Dave D
We have so many U21 players who don't have to be named , eg Borini , Shelvey etc. that we will not name a squad anywhere near 25 in number , as usual .
Borini , Shelvey , Flanagan , Robinson , Morgan , Sterling , will not be named , too young .
04 Sep 2012 11:55:29
hi edd just wondered what you thought of ben foster could he in time maybe be a target if reina wanted to leave? he always seems to preform well infront of a not so big back 4, i know alot of people wont like him for his time at united but i actually rate him whats your view
cj {Ed002's Note - I have no idea if there will be interest or not.}
Mrs Reina would show more interest than Pepe at the moment.
Big Bill
04 Sep 2012 12:02:56
john henry is turning us into jokes!! no better than h&g this post will not be printed! the yanks bought the club cheap and were hoping for a big profit if they could sell! i for one am fed up of JH double speak? best for the club like trotted out yesterday! what is the total spend on players since FSG took over? liverpool fc are now the butt of everyones joke! and today! heskey!!!? i cant take it anymore! that has to be a joke? we paid milions for BR when Rafa was sat down the road available for free! Rafa's crime? on very bad season, there was a press which hunt against him and sadly people fell for it! yes alonso left! and Rafa made some errors, but he would have rectified it! we were one striker away from being the best team in europe under Rafa! now look at us!
You were wrong about your post not getting printed.... and the theme continued through the rest of your inane babble.
Bigbadben
Why are people so hung up on Rafa?
Pegleg
I think rafa should have bin put in before k.k just to see how he got on he couldnt have done much worse especially with the signings english players are like british cars overated expensive and unreliable rafa signed some gems in his time but i cant think of any british players
While I remain a fan of Rafa, I'm very happy with Rodgers. I cannot say the same about the bizarre rant which started this post.
I don't agree because Hicks and Gillett levereged buying the club on a loan which nearly made us bankrupt...
Two Champions League finals perhaps?
Coz he was clearly the best manager( his team alongside paco and valero) we had in a long long time..
its a shame some our very own fans dont think he deserves a second chance..
he made some mistakes true ,but he loves the club,city ,fans and would give his life for the club to succeed and not just talk big after one single season's mediocrity..
he has a proven record and made us unstoppable in europe with limited resources..
Most of the team he won the champions league with he inherited (a full strength squad). Then he tinkered with the team, bought a few good players (Alonso,Torres,Riena,Mascherano etc..) but he also bought a hell of alot of rubbish and thinned the squad out completely and left us in most of the mess we are in today.
Great manager, Didn't have a clue with the cheque book!
Pegleg
04 Sep 2012 14:10:20
our club is now back stable and on the right track to recovery.......
let us as fans do our job and support the club! and let fsg do there job in running the club,the same for br in managing the club am sure our future will be bright as we in safe hands.....
chris
Everyone else strenghened since then mate - wise up!!
04 Sep 2012 12:00:49
Eds, what is the situation with Yesil? Although he's young and struggled when he was promoted to first team football with Leverkusen, needs must, and he's a proven goalscorer!
Thanks
KopiteJord {Ed002's Note - Nuch is expected in the future. I would expect some cameos.}
04 Sep 2012 12:00:34
I think we all need to step back and look at this in a logical manner, you can't expect the owners to spend 50 ,60 +mil on players, then bring in a new manager with new ideas new plans wanting new players,allow players to be sold for less than we paid for them/send on loan, then spend another 50, 60 mil.patience is now required as slowly lfc begin to climb to the heights we were once at, I have said before Chelsea man city psg are the exception to the rule with regards to financial muscle , I for one am glad the owners are showing sense ,they will want a return on their investment and that will only come through success on &off the pitch, CL qualification etc, it's a project , a slow burn, the " we want it all and want it now " attitude has had to change,patience and fantastic support is what is required
Boofs bro
Maybe the owners should stop sacking managers, the fact a every new manager needs support from the owners in establishing his brand of football, Brendan just got bent over by FSG, they have left the club in a total mess and not provided a means for Rodgers to get us out the situation. It they didn't want to waste money, they should not have sacked Kenny and then could have saved millions in pay offs for Kenny, Comoli and Clarke etc., Kenny could have spent any transfers we had this year on improving our attack, because all we were short last year was a striker, now we need an entire strike force. FSg are just incompetent or purposely miserly.
Jand
04 Sep 2012 11:57:22
FSG are a shambles every paper including the echo have slammed henrys letter he is a joke and Friday night will have cost him a whole lot more then dempsey would have. He should sell the club even league one owners could do a better job. He knows nothing about football he should sell Liverpool and concentrate on his rounders team. He only cares about them he would have offered Fulham much more for a baseball player.
One of the more r******* posts I've seen on here, and that's saying something.
You'll be supporting City before John Henry goes. Good I say
04 Sep 2012 11:19:34
BADGER {Ed002's Note - Thanks for the offer but there is no need thanks.}
Ok...........keep up the good work eds
BADGER
04 Sep 2012 11:56:11
Give Liverpool Fc a break. It takes time. I believe they has learned from there mistakes from this ender window. I wouldnt doubt them until next summer. Im pleased for the youth side because they are gonna get alot of Playing time this season. But this transfer window is also about stating that se wont overspend anymore, which is nice. Some clubs just Think that because Liverpool is interrested they are gonna pay a little more than other clubs.
- EmilDenmark
04 Sep 2012 11:54:29
There is a lot of talk on here about what went wrong and responses that people need to wise up and stop being critical as FSG are playing the long game. Fine, but seems understanding of what is needs is also key.
If the team is to compete at the highest levels it needs to be able to score goals. Simple as. BR can play really fancy football, but th eteam does not have a goals in it at the moment. And frankly it is a real big ask to expect some of our youngster to drop in and solve this problem.
Some historical facts. The number of goals scored by the team has dropped each year for the last four seasons: 77, 61, 59, 47. In the last 12 seasons we have only scored more than 70 goals twice and more than 65 goals 4 times. This is the sort of number needed to get third place or higher. During our golden period we regulary socred more than 70 and 80 goals and hence won the league.
To get into the top 3 a team needs at least 65 goals and probably 70. To win the league a team needs 75 to 90, maybe more. Post the days of God and Boy Wonder there has only been one season when an LFC top scorer got more than 25 goals - Fernando with 33 in 2007-2008. But that year we got less than 70 goals and came 4th. The year after we scored 77, came second and stevie g scored 24.
So losing players like Carroll, Maxi, Kuyt and Bellers does matter if they ar enot replaced. Taken together they did score goals last season, albeit a limited amount. Suarez will get goals for us, but I doubt he'll get 20 on the PL. Borini will be lucky to get 15. Stevie G will get some, but his best days are over. We are then looking at the odd goals for others.
BR is right that more players need to chip in with goals. But the maths of this means you still need a striker netting 20 plus and three of four other coring 12-15 each. Let's be analytical about this, the team does not have that at the moment.
For now, we have to make do till January. The first thing BR needs to do is to sort out our leaky defence as we do no thave the luxury of being able to score goals to compensate. If he can tighten up the ship at the back we will be able to win some games. But it is imperative that we bring some class and proven goals scorer in during the january window.
I am sure we can all live with mid season if we are on the right track and moving forward. But comments about fiscal responsibility, while appropriate, do not cut it in terms of tactical acumen. This is BR job and he has a big one ahead.
04 Sep 2012 11:53:32
Morning Ed's, a quick question if you have the time please? I've only seen Adam Morgan play for about 45 minutes in total, do you believe he is challenging for a regualr first team place? Because no-one seems to be factoring in to the current situatioin re strikers, everybody saying we only have 2. Personally I'd like to see wen signed on a payp contract as there 25 games before the window and suarez is bound to get at least one red card, but, if Morgan is up to the job all may be well.....
Andy H {Ed062's Note - i do think Morgan will be in and around the 1st team}
04 Sep 2012 11:52:32
My take on the transfer period.
1. Rogers was supported with the acquisitions of Borini 8-10m, Allen 15m, Oussaidi 3m and Sahin (rumoured for the loan). That is approximately a 30m investment in new players.
2. Rogers offloaded - Maxi, Kuyt, Bellamy, Acquilani, Adam and Carroll and Spearing on loan. Approximately about 10m coming in - depending on who you believe.
3. Net spend 20m over the summer
4. Again depending on who you believe, Rogers was also prepared to take a bath on Henderson and Downing.
5. The transfers of Adam and Carroll were mismanaged in the public completely. Coming out and telling clubs they had no future in the first 11 at Liverpool is certainly not going to drive value. In this respect I feel Rogers has under performed.
6. The owners not wanting to invest 6m on Dempsey, I have no issues with. He would have no re-sale value and I am sick of us buying players who have a break out season and over the odds. He is certainly not a player that would have solved our goal scoring issues the way Rogers wants his teams to play. He is a player that arrives from midfield in the box and runs from deep. The way we are trying to play, you need players that are clinical finishers and that can beat players in isolated situations to finish. This is certainly not Dempsey.
7. The owners have seen in the space of 18 months, roughly investments of 120m pounds on player transfers, basically half in value. I do not blame them for tightening the screws if they are going to hang around and turn this club around. What I do blame them for, is the fact they got seduced by the game and KK regime in to thinking we were better than we were and that we could get back to top 4 very quickly with poorly chosen transfer targets that we paid over the odds for in every respect.
8. Rogers was clearly ill advised about the ability to get a replacement for Carroll. Dempsey could not have been the only target? As I said earlier his profile is not of one that the owners were going to shell out a decent amount for given his age and re-sale. So there must have been another target/s that we have not been privy to. Sturridge possible, but given that he travelled to Monaco with Chelsea, he could not have been a serious possibility either. This is where we deserve more answers than an general approach "open letter"
There have been several disheartening things about the events of the last week and the performance on Sunday.
We still have plenty of dead wood in our squad that needs to be moved on.
We will win games, be more competitive and get closer to the top six, but we will not challenge for the top 4 as we will not be able to keep pace.
I think our next league cup game u will see a third string side play so that is taken off the agenda.
Not expect much of an effort in the FA cup and I think that if we were still trying to qualify for the group in the Uefa Cup you may have seen a slightly different team again!!
This squad will be restored to playing once a week as quickly as possible if Rogers has anything to do with it...
I am gutted that we wait so long for the season to start and we live in hope that the horrors of the last few years are going to be wiped away with a positive start and something to cheer for!!
04 Sep 2012 11:50:05
Fsg so tight they can't even afford Owen that's a new low.
FSG F OFF {Ed062's Note - where did you get that from}
I rather think they would, it's just that along with Rodger's and the rest of the right minded football community they don't want anything to do with him.
04 Sep 2012 11:49:34
if you have word to say about manager take him to your office Boss not in a latter. and what about the news come out IN FSG website that we bought Dempsy ? did you guy come out and say Sorry ? please don't forget that Liverpool is Bigger then FSG. we are the 3rd largest club in football record. people know about FSG after they bought Liverpool.
hhh
04 Sep 2012 11:46:56
Any chance of del piero? Sure he is still capable of bagging 15+ goals {Ed062's Note - very low and i am certain he wont get 15 goals in the prem!]
04 Sep 2012 11:37:58
Hi eds
How many pound did henry actually spend last year including the sales of torres, babel, and others?
Abromovich spent to have sucess, he did get but not champions league, then he spent again,(some turned sucess some turned flops: it forms part of the play) he got the champions league cup, but he spent again this year even even more.... I am not saying we should spend like him, but letting AC (an england international going into his second season at Liverpool) go 1-2 days before then not willing to pay that 1Million extra knowing very well that we dont have forwards then Saying to himself if the guy (BR) is not doing well i will sack him with a smile like KK 18 months later, the fans wont say anything and i will send a letter to butter them after all they are stupid..
I know now why they are fighting for the financial fair play.
Budashow
Quite. A lot is made of the 100m spent, but this is gross and takes no account of income. The net spend was considerably less.
Rodgers is their man - they won't sack him like they did with Kenny. In fact, their own boo-boo on transfer deadline day gave Rodgers even more leverage to argue his case. In any case, they already said top 4 is not the target.
Singred
This is getting pretty tiring and repetitive now. Does anyone grasp the state that FSG rescued us from?
Net spend? try adding in the cost of reducing LFC debt, and losses sustained last year. 100m or 'net spend' or whatever is a pointless irrelevant arguement if you look a whole picture - which many of you seem unable to grasp.
BigBadben
Big Bad Ben - thank you for being a voice of sanity on here.
How many Abramovich / Mansour owners are there in the world? Very few. They certainly weren't lining up in a big queue to buy us. FSG gave the fans what they wanted last year - KK and 100m to spend - it didn't work. Now's the time to try it their way.
04 Sep 2012 11:34:23
I understand the owners not wanting to put money into taking on a free agent unless they can improve the squad, but with our lack of depth surely having another striker could only improve the squad? I'm not worried about our first 11, or our cover for defence or midfield, but if Suarez were to injure himself we would be left very short up front given the number of competitions we are in this season. No doubt a front three combination of assaidi, sterling, downing, Borini and maybe Gerrard would be sufficient short term, but they couldn't play every match. I'm not suggesting we sign Owen, but a player of similar ability, in my mind, is a much safer option even if we only want to have a similar season to last. I'd really like us to make a serious challenge for the EL even if we don't compete for the domestic cups.
Sorry I forgot Morgan :-(
04 Sep 2012 11:31:08
I'm worried that the owners are trying to run LFC primarily as a business and are neglecting the football side. We are, after all, a football club first and foremost and this should take top priority over anything else. I do understand the business side needs to be looked after before I get shot down in flames, but my point is that I fear the actual raison d'etre of this club is being overlooked.
I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong over the course of this season.
Gillinho
04 Sep 2012 11:26:41
Klasnic just signed up with Mainz 05, so that's that!
Only other player is Owen...we'll find out tomorrow I guess...
He's going to Stoke City.
Owen is not the only other forward available as a free-agent. Del Piero, Pongolle, Fowler and Heskey are all available; however, the club does not feel that a free agent is the best direction to pursue.
E
04 Sep 2012 11:25:41
whats the difference between a tooth pick and liverpool fc ??
a tooth pick has 2 points ....lol {Ed062's Note - that was said yesterday mate...}
Don't knock him.....it has taken 24hrs for him/her to get the joke!
GGK {Ed062's Note - haha}
04 Sep 2012 11:18:17
ed, do you expect that suso will join 1st team now that we're lacking players in attack? {Ed062's Note - not yet}
04 Sep 2012 11:16:38
The last time Cardiff City were relegated from the top flight, Liverpool took their place. Funny how history has a habit of repeating itself. But that said much as I want Cardiff to be promoted I'd prefer it not to be at your expense
And all this happened after 3 games ?
If relegated then it would be the biggest shock in Premeirship history with a squad like that... The only other shock greater would be Everton winning the league!
04 Sep 2012 11:15:15
too many negative posts for my liking! Brendan make a huge mistake playing so many players on thursday night & then expecting them to perform on sunday lunch time! I don't think he will make the same mistake again & lets see how our new lads perform, who knows we might be pleasantly surprised? the team need our full support so bring on the mancs! YNWA
Sunderland away first i think that will be a harder match
Maybe BR thought the game would be wrapped up early against Hearts so he could rest at least three top players, as we needed to win or draw so we were in the group stage, unfortunately that didn't happen so those players stayed on.
KernowRed
04 Sep 2012 11:13:42
Just an observation.
Part of this new system we're playing now involves pressing the ball/opposition higher up the pitch ie. in the opponents own half forcing them into mistakes. I've noticed, especially against arsenal, that we seem to be sitting back in our own half with sporadic pressure on the opponents defence.
Wasn't it win the ball back in 7 seconds?
Gordy {Ed062's Note - yes it was, and it needs to come from Gerrard and Sahin who both were very lacklustre in their performances your right there wasn't any urgency until Shelvey came on, BR will sort that out dont worry}
Ed062, you are spot on, sahin is new though, what's Gerrards excuse? me thinks he needs a kick up the backside.
has Brendan the nerves to drop our so called talisman, I hope so. {Ed062's Note - yh i understood Sahin. but Gerrard disappointed me massively, but i have a feeling in the next game he will step it up to prove all the doubters wrong, without Gerrard where is our inspiration going to come from?}
Yeah when suarez, sterling and borini were pressing gerrard and sahin sat, leavng space. This meant that a simple ball to arteta or diaby took 3 players out of it.
derryred {Ed062's Note - yep. but nothing that BR cant change}
04 Sep 2012 11:22:37
I think FSG were hoping Dempsey could be got with a 'cash-plus-player' bid - which would have balnced the books a bit as it would have removed a player from the wage bill. It didn't work out. Tough - I doubt they will make that mistake again so it's a lesson learned. We're going to have to soldier on with what we've got nad accept it. Bringing in old men who are injury prone and can't play a full game let alone weeks and weeks of them is a complete waste of time and money. Promote - and use - some of the younger players. RED LENIN
Agreed. This is the best time to test our fringe players like Morgan, Suso and Yesil. IMO Morgan looks ready to step up. Singred
04 Sep 2012 11:11:21
Liverpool informed ESPN on Tuesday that they are no longer pursuing a move to bring Michael Owen back to Anfield.
copied and pasted, no idea if its true but lets hope so.
Don...
saying that.. we're been linked wth heskey id rather have owen, why oh why are liverpool in this situation.
They weren't persuing him anyway. Press speculation.
04 Sep 2012 11:06:51
Sorry pressed wrong button. Adorjan plus others and it not really that bad. Just my opinion
FowlerisGod
04 Sep 2012 11:05:32
Watched reserved yesterday and have to say it was best performance I seen from coady in a while. Maybe he pulled his socks up a bit because there is now a chance he can break into the first team squad. The current predicament should be the carrot for the kids because there is every chance for anyone of them. Ngoo I think would be a handful for any defence, sama and wisdom are monsters. Add ibe and adorja
04 Sep 2012 11:00:36
what has happened to Suso, he is not in the U21 games? {Ed002's Note - Nothing has happened to him.}
Suspended. Back for rent boys next Friday
FowlerisGod
He was suspended for that game, from last season.
Lil Red
04 Sep 2012 10:57:01
What is it with you lot on here? Honestly dont you understand that the aim of FSG is to make us self sufficient in the long run? Rafa, Kenny and the like blew 100's of millions on players that were put on ridiculous contracts that simply weren't good enough baring a minority. But instead of blaming them for their huge mistakes your content to smoke out FSG who are trying to do the best for the club. FSG had their fingers burnt in the transfer market last year when kenny spent over 100 million on players that you lot, week on week, said were not good enough. Now that they are gone its a case of we should never have got rid of them. So hypercritical. The abuse Carroll took was nothing short of embarrassing, now you would do anything to get him back. We missed out on dempsey, so what? its gone, get over it. Im telling you if liverpool fans keep behaving the way you are at the moment your going to damage the club. Ive got a nasty feeling that your going to try and get rid of them and BR after 3 matches and its all for instant success. Not going to happen, have to be patient. We are supposed to be among the most intelligent fans in the world, well on this showing your anything but. Behaving like a bunch of mancs, get a grip of yourselves, none of you have a clue what it takes to run a football business but speak as though your experts. GET A GRIP!
Ian the very pissed off red!
They will make us self sufficent in the championship
It's the fact that we are intelligent fans that we are being critical. Being critical si not the same as being down on LFC. Why don't you get that point. We care.
Yes, FSG are playing the long game. But the club currently doe snot have enough players for a full squad of 24 players. We only have 17 and such like and no recognised strikers capable of get 20 a season. We will injuries. We get get suspensions. We will have to blood real junior players. The real problem is that if we don't look to strengthen the squad in a more careful and strategic way we will be playing the long game from the Championship.
This is not being dramatic. We have all seen this happen to teams that have to offload their best players and have weak sides. The Premier League is unforgiving. The only team that has survided successfully in recent years with young players and frugual approach to tarnsfers is Arsenal. They are financially secure and operate a model admired by FSG. But they have not won the PL in some time and let's face it cannot compete any longer with United and City. Also, Wenger is a bloody genious and they have more depth and talent in their squad that we do.
All intelligent analysts of the game recognise that there are real problems with LFC at the moment. There is nothing wrong in reocognising that. Indeed, I would expect any self respecting LFC fan to be concerned.
Ian - thats the best bit of banter written on here in months. Well done. You capture it all perfectly.Thx.
Red first & last
Correct that there is no problem recognising that, but there is point when the "analysing" becomes plain ridiculous. Cries for "fsg out" are possibly the most ludicrous thing i have heard so far. 3 games in in the hardest start i can remember is not the time for such talk. Furthermore it is plain short sighted...fsg out then what? then we are stuck with no owners and no potential for investment. Sheikhs arent fishing in the market Man City got lucky.
Another thing - all this "we are lfc we need to buy..we are lfc we need to be top 4". That is plain irrational thinking. There is no "Right" to be top 4. No "right" to special players. That is the fact - sure there was a mix up at the end but things happen and we move on as long as lessons are learnt.
Also - peoplecontinually underate the squad just because of 1 or 2 poor performances. the first team is strong. Goals will come. Relegation talk is the most pathetically lame talk ive ever heard.
The problem with this club is beginning to be fans who want quick fixes. I direct them to the case of Malaga, and Leeds. It doesn't work for the majority. Keep asking for fsg out and you may find yourself in more rubbish than we are now.
Rant over - lets just get behind the club animosity will only unsettle the players ergo the performances! YNWA
Good post ian, but i dont see how most of the fans on this site could consider themselves intelligent fans, the owners are useless now because dempsey didnt sign, they retained our best players and got rid of the players who are not good enough anyway,some people just dont understand the club cant continue to lose large amounts of money every year, look what happened to rangers due to poor financial management, give fsg and br time, we will get better.
pd
You say that the only team who have survived blooding youngsters is arsenal? That is strange, i once remember alan hansen slating ferguson saying he would never win the league with kids. Do you remember that? look at how that turned out. They are now challenging year in year out and that all started with a team full of kids. Who has been our best performer this year so far baring joe allen? Raheem Sterling by any chance? The thing with kids is they have no fear and most of all they are hungry for success, not like gerrard strutting around the pitch thinking they have done it all. I say blood them if we have to, whats to lose? by all accounts we will be playing championship football anyway so why not mate? I would be interested to hear you comments!
Ian the red
04 Sep 2012 10:54:57
FSG only offered 3 million for Dempsey.They are a joke what type of owners put a player on their own website, tell the media they would love to have him, upset the selling club and then offer just 3 million pounds. FSG are the worst owners ever make no mistake these cowboys are not wanted at liverpool fc. A few mugs might back them but the vast majority want them gone. They know this and will sell surely. Werner should keep his mouth shut because most things he has said is a lie. We have not got money to compete with championship clubs let alone our rivals. Henry can write as many letters as he wants maybe he should write one to possible new owners saying he is well over his head and he should have bought a smaller club.
It has been a decent ammount of time after their takeover and NOTHING no stadium, no re-development of anfield, Worse sqaud for 10 years, these mugs are taking us backwards.
Pretty easy to say mate but what's YOUR alternative? I'm all ears...
dd
R******* post - we were in the top 10 spenders in Europe in this window - around 30 mill. But everyone forgets that because the press is so obsessed with deadline day.
Well it wasnt the press who told us to expect a few more signings on last day od tw.
04 Sep 2012 10:53:11
What about Tuncay? Is he an attainable target on a free? {Ed002's Note - No.}
04 Sep 2012 10:36:48
I find it desperately sad that our fans are unwilling to give one of our young strikers a chance.
Instead, they would rather want a over paid, over aged free crock that nobody wants.
If we didnt trust in our youth, where would Fowler and Gerrard be today?
Think about it..
Sam Adzii jft96
Our young strikers are not good enough. Just like the owners useless.
You obviously don't watch our young forwards play. Morgan the most natural finisher I seen come thru since robbie. Ngoo even tho young looks an absolute monster. Watch them before forming an opinion
FowlerisGod
Listen, the Ed002 said we have a squad of 32 players! 13 of those players have either very little or no premier league experience. Fowler and Gerrard and Owen are exceptional talents in their youth, as is Sterling today. That doesnt mean Morgan or Coady are ready for the Pl. They are in the 32 because of our lack of players.Rodgers said so himself. The team we had out on Saturday is as good as it gets and we have more competitions to play in this year. Its a terrible situation. Wait until the injuries kick in. I am expecting absolutely nothing from this season.
The Irish Rover
How do you know there not 'good enough' unsigned poster?
Loosers like this need to go and support another team.
Sam Adzii jft96
At least if you expect nothing from this season every win should be a bonus to you, if we as supporters raise our game then the players will raise theirs, keep the faith.
kernowRed
At the end of the day Irish Rover, we all need to accept that we are in the situation were in which isnt ideal,
But....
Would you rather sign Owen, Heskey etc who are past it, injury prone, over paid and past it
Or give Morgan/Borini a opportuinity down the middle who are young emerging talents.
They arent proven because they havent been given a opportunity yet.
Sam Adzii jft96
No i would not want to sign Heskey, Owen or Drogba for that matter. That does not take away from the fact that Morgan who has barely cut his teeth in the reserves should be thrown into first team action. Money should have been made available for Dempsey and another Forward. That does not make me greedy. Its the bare minimum required for a team aspiring to be in the Champions League. No point buying them in the Winter when the league is half over.
The Irish Rover
04 Sep 2012 10:34:05
I'm loving how every1 is bigging up owen yes he can score an yes he might be a traitor. But hes injured all the time its ok shouting "yea owen we need him" then when we get him, 1 match in injured for the next 6 months so basically we are back where we started and paying more wage
04 Sep 2012 10:29:21
I've got to be honest, I'm starting to feel very ashamed about some of the negative comments about the owners and Rodgers. Some so called LFC fans are posting such negative comments and i wish they just cheer up!
FSG saved our club and have put us on a stable financial footing for the future. Everyone needs to get used to the fact that we are a work in progress and are only 3 months into a 3 year plan. These things take time and there will be ups and downs along the way. What will everyone say if beat Man U in a few weeks?
We lost to Arsenal - BIG DEAL......we never do well against them. It seems like LFC fans on here are a bunch of manic depressives - if we win "we're going to win the league" and if we lose "rodgers can't manage and we're going to get relegated, FSG out!"
Lets see where we stand in December and let's see if any of our youth can get into the first team because they are going to get a chance in the team thats for sure!
If you consider yourself a supporter - why don't you try the novel concept of supporting the team instead of spreading negativity. How would you feel if someone told you every single day that you did this or that wrong? You would find it hard to get up in the morning and you would stuggle to do your work to the best of your ability- so just think the more negativity you spread the worst things will get because no-one will want to work hard for the club because we're all a bunch of depressed fans living in the past.
I'm hoping this documentary will help rodgers and fsg gain some respect from LFC fans. I cant wait to see things from the inside because i honestly believe both fsg and rodgers are doing their best for the club and the fans!
Mike in Leeds
The germans had a thing about support without question it went badly
FSG are cowboys
Some of our so called supporters let this club down badly . They appall me at times.
Accept it, we are building. We cannot compete in monetary terms with some of the other top sides. But, we have a great young manager and some really good players who will strive to make us a force again.
We were on the brink of extinction and FSG stepped in and rescued us. They have every right to run the club as they see fit whether everybody agrees or not.
I have watched football at Anfield for over 5 decades. I have been lucky to see the really good times, but my team need me even more now, and I will be positive no matter what.
KJS
I thought they were Red Sox.
Well said Mike in Leeds, if only the other posters put a name to their comments, they may be mancs or Blue's I think.
Nearly forgot - Big Bill
04 Sep 2012 10:16:58
You don't always need to spend lots of money to succeed. Just look at Newcastle last season and to an extent, Swansea so far this year.
I think some of the blame has to lie with BR. He had the whole summer to buy a striker capable of scoring 20+ goals, which was surely a priority and yet it gets left until the last day to do something.
I also think that a lot of people are going full pelt on the owners and a little bit easy on the players. Far too many of them just aren't playing well enough. Skrtel has made a lot of mistakes, as has Reina. Gerrard is not as good as he used to be and I think it's getting to the point where he's becoming a hindrance. I've never thought that Enrique or Johnson are good enough to be in our starting 11.
Granted, the owners/Ian Ayre made a huge cock up with the Dempsey transfer. But to criticise them for not spending another 100 million this season is just wrong. We could quite easily have invested 20-30 million in the summer and had a sufficient squad capable of a top 4 or 6 position - which we could have built on the following year. As it happenings we now have only 2 senior strikers and a bunch of players who either aren't playing for the shirt or are totally devoid of any confidence and winning mentality.
Once we get our first win perhaps that will brighten the place up a bit.
Adam
Newcastle don't get rid of 4 players in the last few days in the transfer window and replace them with oxygen.
FSG OUT
It could be a while in coming!! (first win)
£11m for Borini ????? wtf
04 Sep 2012 10:46:34
@Adam - give us your team without Gerrard, Reina ,Skertyl, Johnson and Enrique, would like to see that!
JayB
Doni
Kelly, Coates, agger, Downing
Allen, sahin, shelvy
Suarez, borini, Stirling,
Subs,hendo, Flanagan, Suso, jones, Morgan, wisdom, assaidi.
Hey jay B, that was really hard to do, not,
Eric the red
JayB
The problem with those you mention are their attitude's, we should be able to rely on them all to do better and show our youngsters how it's done.
They could all be replaced by, Kelly, Flanagan, Coates, Doni, Allen will eventually take over Gerrards captaincy with another midfielder filling in, Lucas when fit, Shelvey, Henderson in the meantime.
The problem is complacency, we've got to eradicate it from the team by dropping players or ultimately getting rid.
Big Bill
I think some of the other guys answered this but...Gerrard out for Shelvey, Johnson out for Martin Kelly and Enrique out Downing, though to be fair I think oxygen would be better than Enrique. Reina could be left out for Brad Jones.
It's all very well blaming the owners but on paper we have a better team than both West Brom and Swansea and they are earning more points than us.
Adam
04 Sep 2012 17:02:36
@Eric the red, switch shelvey to the right side of midfield, and you have a good team, that was hard!
JayB
04 Sep 2012 10:02:04
NINETEEN Liverpool players have been called up for International duty- surely someone has been doing right in the club especially as seven of them are juniors. I have no worries for the future of the club - improvements will come sooner than later. The one thing that does annoy me ( and it has been going on for several seasons) is the extremely poor selection of substitutes. Sunday was a case in point - Coates and Carragher, three midfielders - it would have been better naming Morgan instead of Carragher and Ngoo in place of Henderson. Af going two behind we had no chance of getting back in the game with what we had on the bench. I personally think that at least two youngsters should be on the bench every match.
Dutchmal
I Agree, thought the starting 11 were good enough, but we could of brought on Kelly at right back and pushed Johnson up to RM, give Borini or Gerrard a rest!
JayB
Totally agree - given the attacking options we have - it is imperative that we give playing time to younger strikers.
Always at least 1 on the bench and given at least 15 minutes in every game. If we suffer any injuries etc we will need Morgan to step in, the quicker we can get him playing and get his first goal, the better.
I criticised the negativity of BR with his substitution in the game at WBA, the decision not to have a striker on the bench on Sunday, justifies this critiscm
04 Sep 2012 09:54:02
What is clear from postings in the last few days is the polarisation of fans' views of FSG.Whatever your viewpoint,some posters need to be more tolerant of other people's opinions. If you can't verbalise your views without being insulting or using bad language then don't post at all.
You mean if you oppose the nodding dog opinion? agreed.
No - as the original poster I am anti FSG!. We have the right manager but the wrong owners. it would be a crime if such a bright young manager was forced to walk because the owners won't back him but there is a real danger this could happen.
Where does this bright young manager myth come from , he was sacked at Reading , picked up Martinez side at Swansea and boom!! here you go lad LFC job????
04 Sep 2012 09:53:01
Dan Agger will not sign a new contract and be sold in January to pay for a Striker to get us out the s*it (assuming anyone decent will come and the LFC bunglers manage to get it sorted)
Not ITK just an opinion so let's see
I no longer trust FSG- something changed for the worse last week
Victor
04 Sep 2012 09:49:57
Heres what I am dreading. That some of the so called fans on here get their way. Gerrard,Suarez and Reina leave. BR walks out from the role. FSG cut their losses and sell the club to 1st bidder.
Thats when we would be in a relagation battle!
All this after 3 games!
Support our owners. They stabilised us and are trying to make us sustainable. Would you rather us be in a Rangers situation ?
Gerrarrd deserves better. He can still make an impact in games.
Suarez is world class and can ship goals. Gifted!
Reina could have left but has been loyal. Guilty of mistakes but can also produce the goods when needed.
Brendan Rodgers has stated alot that this is a project that will take time so support him and give him that time!
All im thinking is who would want to own,manage amd play for a club with fans like this.
Go Anfield and SUPPORT the team. Otherwise burn your shirts, sell your season tickets and go follow Barca or Madrid and take your bile with you.
True red, we will finish higher than 8th and our YOUNG team will have a full seasons experience together. Then each season after we will improve and climb the table.
Believe. You Will Never Walk Alone must sound like empty words to our gaffer. Lets show him we are with him, with the team and owners.
YNWA
04 Sep 2012 09:35:06
I have to say the pessimism here and everywhere else among LFC Fans is beyond my understanding..... why are you all willing to believe every BS that reporters are spinning , but are not willing to believe our owners and our Manager.
I wish we could have signed Dempsey..but we had our budget and it did not work out.. Lets just leave it at that..and move on..
This is a time when the Team needs support, cmon people dont quit on LFC now...
Pankaz
P.S. - Aren't we only three games into the league... :)
04 Sep 2012 10:13:19
hi eds. does anyone know what peter kenyon is doing these days? good shout for ceo, knows rodgers from chelsea.
He an absolute plank. No chance
Tommy.
{Ed002's Note - Without going in to detail, he has been doing some commercial and marketing work in America - for an EPL club.}
04 Sep 2012 10:09:05
Am i missing something?
Why does everyone keep on about what happened on deadline day?
The window opens 1st june to 31st august?
Isn't that enough time to secure a player?
Everyone in football knew liverpool needed a striker...we had enough time to offload a few?
its utter rubbish to blame it on that last day...the people with the power should of had this sorted.
Every other club had it sorted...rvp was done...podolski was done.
We had time to let kuyt,bellamy,ecelstone,maxi etc...leave.
Its just shocking the way the whole thing is being dealt with.
OK henry wont over spend great but to not get dempsey for 6million when he scored 17 goals last season.
its easy to blame ayre but who knows what limits he is put under.?
Its very worrying what the future holds.
And before im shot down thats my opinion and im aloud it!!!!!!!
PAISLEYS SLIPPERS
I think you're right mate and why didn't BR know they wouldn't be bidding higher than the reported £5m earlier than the last day? {Ed002's Note - The offer made for Dempsey was £3M.}
Even £3m - surely he knew the parameters of what was going to be offered, maybe there should have been a back up just incase - and I don't mean Sturridge - it all went pear shaped. We could have dropped the interest for some one else who fitted the profile as there was still about 90 minutes to go before the window shut.
KernowRed (forgot to sign the other one).
04 Sep 2012 10:03:23
Sorry if you've answered these, but what's the deal with Assaidi why hasn't he appeared on any team sheets?
Also, why don't you think Pacheco is getting a chance at least on the bench?
Thanks!
Maybe you should go to there training and see that maybe they dont impress on the training field and is thus not selected. Could be not fit enough or an injury.Tactics also plays a role against the team you playing. I am not saying the tactics is right all the time but a more defensive side was chosen for Arsenal and still it wasnt enough because Arsenal showed us what they can do with a weak defense. Against a side with less attacking options we can field a more attacking field. We got caught on both goals attacking forward and weakened the backline. Its only the 3rd game and BR is still working out on team selections so give him time like the owners are doing.It can only get better. We played two tuff oppositions with strong sides and came away with 1 point and looking at our building phase is in my opinion not too bad. Our so called easier games are coming up so be patient and things will start to change.The one part BR has been doing right is the style we are allready playing which is great to watch. The goals will come against teams with weaker backs. City and Arsenal have a very strong back line with class players. Do all of us expect that we must keep on scoring against formiddable back lines?
Riedwaan SA
04 Sep 2012 09:47:08
Owen is set to sign for stoke will be announced tomorrow. The yonks won't back down and let Rodgers sign a free agent. Looks like there going to struggle again.
This will be a good opportunity for one of the youngsters to step up and show what they can do. Owen and Fowler were only youngsters when they proved themselves.
I for one would prefer to see the likes of Morgan, Suso, Yesil and the like to be given a chance. Will prove if they can cut the mustard or not.
MUSHROOM
Amooooooooooooooo
You really are a Mushroom, we need a forward not a kid.
You're right we need a forward but were'nt Fowler and Owen kids when they starred for the first team? Also I believe Gerrard was a kid too.
Get your facts first no name!!
MUSHROOM
We need a forward who can play at least one full game a week until Xmas at least. Owen/Fowler can't anymore.
04 Sep 2012 09:46:26
Let's stop all the doom an gloom shall we, its not all bad we've got the right manager in, the owners want the club to prosper an therefore won't risk our finances unlike h&g and they don't make promises they can't keep. We've brought in some real quality in the midfield an if they can start to weigh in with some goals things will be much better, and we've kept all our best players at the beginning of the window we thought we would lose suarez, skirts or agger so things are not as bad as people think, we just need some performances like the city game but without the mistakes. And then there is stirling don't think I need to say anymore now get behind ur team, and remember y.n.w.a!
04 Sep 2012 09:43:04
Eds if we were offered damiao on loan why the hell did we not take it. He is one heck of a finisher and much better than cheealseas useless lump. Im glad we did not get him. Imagine him and suarez in the same side, all they would do is hog the ball
Andyj {Ed002's Note - Liverpool were not offered Damaio on loan.}
04 Sep 2012 09:30:04
Would like to say this one thing to everyone crying about Michael Owen... Michael Owen doesn't need Liverpool, weather we want him or not is irrelevant the owners and Rodgers will decide that.. yes some of us would rather play the kids .. lets be honest even at 32 Owen would do a job for us and weather you like it or not we NEED him at this moment and time... personally yes he joined united but did you see his options at the time ? he wasn't exactly blessed with them.. we need a goal scorer so unless anyone else can think of a REALISTIC player who would 100% come thats better i would like to here it.. thank you
Huyton red
04 Sep 2012 09:27:41
Why is everyone obsessed with Downing at left back? We dont rate him in midfield where he has played all his career, so why would he suddenly be so good at left back where he has little/ no experience? Kelly is so much more reliable at RB than Johnson and Johnson is so much more reliable at left back than Enrique, so it seems obvious to me.... Play Kelly RB and Johnson LB.
Also we are really lacking cover from midfield for the defence, Agger and Skrtel seem unable to cope without Lucas, So play Coates and Skrtel at the back, Coates seems competent enough, and push Agger into holding mid, hes good on the ball and can give the back 2 good cover while lucas is out.
Im also intrigued by the idea of playing Gerrard up top, he really is the best finisher we have and it would allow him to stay up field amd not bother tracking back, which is what he does at centre mid at the moment.
Reina
Kelly Skrtel Coates Johnson
Agger
Allen Sahin
Suarez Gerrard Sterling/Shelvey
(we cannot play Sterling every week, he is only 17 and it would burn him out eventually, id rather phase him in and have a world class 20 year old than a very good 17 year old whos constantly injured by the age of 20)
KingKenny92
Downing should be sold - but is there anyone that will have him? big mistake by KK
04 Sep 2012 09:22:21
FSG have recently bought a strip club. There are no women inside just assets.
04 Sep 2012 09:20:41
just a few things i want 2 say 1. imo sahin will sign 4 us next year as rm dont want him why wud they loan him then loan injury hit essien from chelsea? that dont make sense 2. we shud get damiao on loan or buy him brake the bank with wages as he worth it and we need a striker like him or i can c our best players leaving cus we aint going 2 get cl football so pay damiao wages or lose our best players then we will b in trouble as who wud want 2 sign 4 us if we are a mid table team? br need time 2 get the team 2 gel but he also need backing from fsg 2 do it. just 1 world class striker can make alot of differance not just in goals but the players morale n confidents but what ever happens we shud get behind our team and support them like true lfc fans and thanks eds 4 ur hard work on here ur top dogs :) tim ynwa
04 Sep 2012 08:55:54
When are the bunch of fsg cowboys going to put liverpool for sale. Its been two years and still nothing on a stadium very little investment in players (from their own pocket) they are useless. They have NO ambition just looking to make a quick buck. With this squad we will be lucky to finsh top half. If West Ham finish above us using our 35 million pound player then BR needs to go. I can't see him winning the next few games and we could be bottom of the table soon.
For God's sake..........really!! Eds can we get an 'UTTER CRAP' as well please?
KernowRed
Didn't sign your post. No backbone mate...
dd
What is going on, I have read some utter tosh on here....2 years and nothing on a stadium...so...they are trying to see what is best for the club, they have pretty much had to start agaib pay off the the firm from last time and are genuinly trying to see if staying at Anfield is a viable option...surely thats exactly what we want from the Owners.
Seriously some "Fans" at the moment need to have a reality check, Ive seen comments comparing the FSG to H&G yeah there is similarity.....they were both from America....I firmly believe FSG are right for the club.
Al
04 Sep 2012 08:38:45
What has happened to Assaide ? Why has he not played or even been on the bench ?
I sat through the U21 game yesterday and feel we have some good players coming through, unfortunately they all seem to be defenders.
If we ever have to resort to Ungo as a strike rfor the 1st team, then I fear for our future - too slow and looks awful. Morgan is also far from been good enough.
Suso should be promoted to the 1st team.
Keep the faith.....YNWA
dj....c {Ed002's Note - He arrived a couple of weeks ago as a squad player. His chance will come.}
04 Sep 2012 08:32:42
DOOMSDAY SENARIO ! RELEGATION , i feel FSG have put us in a relegation fight this year , we just cant score goals , no goals means no wins , no wins means relagation , FSG need to be honest with fans and take full responcibility for this transfer mess up !
FSG dont invest enough into this great club ,
they keep on trying to use the FAIR PLAY RULES , as an excuse for not investing in our club ,
you cant compete with the top 6 without massive investment .
we are debt free , have massive world wide fan base , theres plenty of other new owners out there !!
FSG OUT , i support BR and LFC ,
i dont support FSG
How can you say that you support lfc not fsg , someone needs to tell you fsg own lfc , so it kind of makes it all one , still early night for you tonight school starts tomorrow , phew dopey kids !.........andy. {Ed062's Note - haha}
By your logic we should have supported H&G! They were the owners. Most fans dont wanna think about ownership or money, in the 70s and 80s i didnt give a monkeys, let the suits get on with it. The problem is H&G blew all confidence in how the club is run and so far alot of decisions FSG have made have had a negative effect on the club. So dont attack fans who are sceptical of FSG, you may not agree but we shouldnt blindly accept their assurances.
I like the first poster support LFC but I have no time for David Moores, H&G and need to be convinced by FSG.
It might be a bit more realistic on here
When their back at school tomorrow!
It's like been with my 7 yr on Here of late
" I want this I want that dad get it on
a credit card of you can't afford it"
Lyndon
Losing £50m a year (subsidised by FSG) is your idea of debt free? Once again another ignorant poster that can't leave a name for fear of being exposed as a person.
dd
You will be glad of how were run when
financial fair play kicks in fully.
Especially when Platini ends up as FIFA
President in a couple of years!!
Lyndon
I agree with him FSG OUT ,
they dont invest enough into this club , they are totally to blame for this crisis , when we start loosing more games , due to lack of goals then a lot fans will turn against FSG
FSG out
04 Sep 2012 08:32:17
Eds,
I know signing Michael Owen would have some sort of a 'back lash' and a negative reaction from some fans - but really, do we have any other option?
If we look at it this way - if we bring him in on a 40k a week, 'pay as you play' deal and over the course of the season he bangs in even just 5 or 6 goals for us, and secures us 12-15 points, would everyone truely be aggrieved? All it takes now is an injury to Borini or Suarez and we are looking extremely thin on the ground. At worst, Owen would provide decent cover, and yes we know about his injury record, but if hes only going to play 20 games a season or so then he'd be alright surely? I just don't see us having any other option apart from Morgan, who with all due respect is not ready yet at all. We're not really in a situation to be fussy with sentiment right now, unfortunate yes, but now unavoidable. What are your thoughts based on the above?
Os Red
I agree with what you say except that we have no reason to think Owen would be fit when needed. If you can't be confident of that I'm not sure he is the answe
TSB
04 Sep 2012 08:14:44
2 questions for Ed002 if possible.
I asked you yesterday if Fsg were to sell up, would there be other suitors? You answered along the lines of not selling to another buyer but maybe take up another option. Would you like to elaborate on that?
Also after reading Henrys effort to soft soap (my opinion) the Liverpool fans and blaming previous regimes etc, i later went on to read another Liverpool website that suggested H&G, Rafa, Daglish etc as the ones to blame. My question is under Rafa's reign we all know he brought a lot of players, but was his success in the CL qualification year on year and the money he brought in thru this enough to cover his spending during his tenure. In other words high spending covered by CL success? Cheers
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - One of the options available would be to float all or part of the business on a stockmarket - perhaps in the Far East. That would most probably result in institutional ownership of the club, but would give the owners a pretty fast and probably financially acceptable exit from the business - which is what a large proportion of the fans clearly want.
Things have changed since the days of Benitez and it is not simply a case of spending money to get in to contention for the Campions League. Liverpool has been spending money over the years - take last season as an example and look at the results. Borrowing money the club does not have and spending it is the approach the likes of Leeds and Portsmouth took. Right now the owners have been trying to do the right thing whilst keeping a financial balance. I have explained before that they had no idea of how high the sustained costs of running the club would be and that there was never going to be the spending spree expected by some. Sure, someone screwed up the deal for Dempsey, but that has gone now. History. If you are interested I am reliably informed that teh Liverpool offer was £3M.}
We are in safe hands with FSG! It's not pretty an not what we want as supporters but someone (FSG) without LFC bias had to take charge at the club and set it straight. We need to ride this out even if hurts to do so for the food of the future of our great club. Inpatient spending of money won't help us in th long run. Let's get debt free with a global revenue stream and top class youth we can then compete with the top
TSB
FSG are not wanted and it has been made clear to them on the fenway website and on twitter. They know they are not wanted and have been advised not to go to any matches for a while. That tells you everything.
3 million thats a joke
'They have been advised not to go to matches'? Really, who do you think you are? Some irate, financially illiterate 12 year old who has thrown a tantrum because the press tell him to? Welcome to the real world, believe it or not, you can't have everything you want in life.
04 Sep 2012 08:26:54
few year back I have read in news paper that Marco Van Basten take training in football management. He went to Bayern , Arsenal and Milan to learn football management.
he is a best player all his life he play top class team win CL and Euro too. A Man like him still think he have to learn about Football Management why don't FSG and Mr. Henry do the same. With respect Sir you may be the Owner But you make your new comer young manager uncomfortable.
I think BR have every right to say I need another striker, he make the club wage bil down, his buy was not highly paid but yet Owner don't feel he need a bit more back up as it's his 1st year in the club.
Mr. Henry you are the boss your word is everything in Liverpool. but in football management view you may never know your latter make your manager uncomfortable.
r-r
04 Sep 2012 08:20:42
can anyway tell me why borini is being played seemingly out of position. IMO he needs to be in the middle of the front three not on the peripheral. i would like to see something like
reina
johnson skrtel agger downing
allen sahin
gerrard (or shelvey)
Suarez borini sterling
Why did we even buy him he is useless.
I agree. borini is not a winger at all!
I agree Boroni needs to be down the middle, but that gives us a massive problem in the wide positions; can you imagine Suarez chasing back and helping the our fullbacks like Boroni and Steling?
I thought Boroni got in some great positions against Hearts away when he played down the middle. He also defended from the front with loads of energy.
GGK
04 Sep 2012 08:01:38
Should a return happen then who would you have?
Robbie fowler or micheal Owen?
John Barnes
Try to keep a grip on reality- Fowler had lost his mojo before he even went to Leeds. the knee injury vs Everton effectively finished him as "God".
Mrpjd
RUSH! fowler aldrige speedy saunders collymore pretty much every past striker other than owen!
04 Sep 2012 07:49:58
I would much rather stick it out till January give some youngsters a chance than pay a huge signing on fee plus wages to a dinosaur that might not even work out for us! We'll be fine I'm sure of it.
Square tomato
Exactly!
The real AG
I still think that we should give Adam Morgan a chance.
04 Sep 2012 07:37:46
We are trying to hijack Del Piero's move to Australia...
04 Sep 2012 07:36:27
lot of rumours comin from people around liverpool that owen is bein spoken to, eds do u know if there is any truth in this? cheers
04 Sep 2012 07:22:18
I would play Borini as main striker and suarez behind him, play gerrard right midfield/right wing until we buy top quality right sided player or if Downing can proove his worth on the right then big plus but I doubt it. Sterling seems to have made that left side his own.
Gerrard on the right is a big option for me as he still has that excellent crossing ability. He could ping those crosses on to Suarez and Borini's heads. This just may be the answer until transfer window reopens.
steve068
Personally, I think people are over- hyping Sterling's performances so far. I think Sterling coming off the bench after 60 minutes or so would be ideal.
BrisbaneLFC
Because they're both massive and will climb above defenders? {Ed001's Note - you don't need to climb above a defender if the cross is hit right.}
I agree, I just posted you cannot play Suarez wide in our current formation. Playing behind Boroni is the best option with 2 holding mids.
I would like us to give the oposition something to think about and be more fulid, interchanging at certain times in the game.
Feel sorry for Shelvey, I think his attitude when he has layed has been excellent. On Sunday he was our biggest threat and he was only on for 20 mins.
GGK
To Brisbane lfc: who would you play instead as downing is useless. Raheem deserves his place in the side on merit.
FowlerisGod
FowlerisGod, would play Suarez on the left side, Borini as the CF where he should be playing and Gerrard on the right. With Shelvey in the CAM role supported by Sahin and Allen.
BrisbaneLFC
04 Sep 2012 01:30:31
Sinister Red {Ed062's Note - i think people still think of liverpool as one of the 'top 4 clubs' but in reality we have finished 8th}
Ed62 mate are you trying to say indirectly we are midtable team mate
No ED062 is directley stating we finished 8th last season. Not top 4
Can't really see the point in trying to label teams as 'top four','mid table' etc.
We are a team with a great history that has been badly run for many different reasons over the last 20 years and has found itself in the position it is in. We are where we are. We need to accept it and move on. Then we might make progress as a fanbase instead of looking backwards with statements like 'we should be in this position or beating this team' because the club is all the time putting systems in place to allow it to move forward financially, structurally and on the pitch.
There are 5 or 6 clubs who are labelled top four. How can that work? And only top 3 made champions league last year via league.
Simon
We are the greatest team ever....no matter were we finish........we are LIVERPOOL FC. Its a family, its tradition.
BADGER
04 Sep 2012 06:38:11
Bring back RAFA won Champions league came runners up following season also came 2nd in the league and along the way beat Barca on their own patch.
Rafa was the GAFFA
Rafa did great things for this football club on the pitch but behind the scenes we were set up to fail commercially as soon as the footballing revenue dried up ie missed champions league qualification. Rafa invested heavily in the youth structure but didn't bring anyone through from the youth team and left us with a large wage bill for pretty average players including some who rarely made the bench let alone first team. I for one appreciate everything Rafa did but I feel the club is on a much more sustainable path now.
Simon
For chr##t sake give it a rest, brendan is our manager now. get behind him and the team or p##s off.
safa
We won the FA cup the following season, then finished runners up in the champions league the year after that, just saying.
Yes bring him back so he can sign great players like aquaman NOT.
Rafa is the main reason we are in this mess. When he came we had a decent squad and when he left we a a first team and alot of rubbish. He won the champions league with a team he mostly inherited. I do like Rafa as a manager though but personally I'd keep him well away from the cheque book.
Plus give BR a chance FFS we're 3 matches in, I'm not saying it will be instant success with him but i think given time he'll take us closer back to wherew we want to be.
Pegleg
The following season, Barcelona beat Arsenal in the final. Liverpool lost to Milan in 2007. 2 finals in 3 seasons.
Kenny dalglish signed aqualini Not rafa {Ed062's Note - hahahaha he didn't mate}
Even I'm getting sick of hearing this. FACT.
Rafa
04 Sep 2012 06:35:39
They had the current England forward who Rodgers said wasn't up to it as soon as he walked in the door.He should have been instructed to get the best out of a 35 mill.investment.Instead he drops 17 mill.The other players will think if he can do that to Carroll how long before me. Sad to see this great club run by such clowns. {Ed062's Note - Carroll scored 4 goals last season in a similar system that still crossed it a lot. Carroll was never going to do anything in this system his movement is terrible, we should never have bought him in the first place, biggest mistake by KD and Commoli}
1000% agree Ed062
BrisbaneLFC
If the players think their cosy lifestyle is under threat then maybe it's not such a bad thing. Frankly, there are several of our players who need to pull their finger out.
AC looked top class for West Ham and Liverpool have looked terrible all season (apart from the City game). Lucky to get past Hearts (or unlucky depending on how you feel about the Europa League). Last season was mainly awful too. Maybe Carroll should have stayed and THE SYSTEM should have gone? {Ed062's Note - what and the new manager too?}
What have England won recently? Carroll was not the star of the team, and the other players do not feel at risk.
E
Liverpool have looked terrible all season? apart from against city? so that's 2 out of a massive 3 games? some of the comments are just drivel give the guy a chance to turn around dalglish's awful transfers, the money wasted last year on dire players was criminal
04 Sep 2012 06:34:19
So paying 5 million upfront to loan Suhin from RM for a season was good business and that is on top of his wages ! that money could have been used for CD as for Borini he is a joke LS is not a striker and was not purchased as a striker so Liverpool only have 1 senior striker Borini who is 21 years of age Looks like Brenda is going to have to depend on the young kids from the academy I can see us in the bottom three for most if not all of the remaining season which we all will mean relegation many thank FSG !!!!!!
Nuri Sahin is absolute class, you would see that if you have ever bothered to watch him play. Well worth the 5 million upfront! Borini is a very good young striker currently being played out of his best position. Maybe you should cut him some slack, after all hes only played 4 games for us!
BrisbaneLFC
You are an embarassment.
ElRoja
Where has all this Suarez is not a striker thing come from?
At Ajax he got 80 odd goals in just over 100 appearances and usually on the scoresheet for Uruguay. Looks like a striker to me!
Just having a bad patch (mostly his own making) and feeling like he has to do it all himself but he'll come good.
Simon
Sahin, looks like arsenal dodged a bullet there
Looks like Arsenal dodged a few trophies also.
04 Sep 2012 06:31:07
Understand this, ten days ago the Americans dumped over $500 million of salary in trading 4 high quality starting players from their Boston Red Sox MLB team and accepted 4 back up players in return. The new manager they signed this season, against all advice, is turning out to be the disaster every one predicted. The only thing different from Rodgers is this manager has experience including a championship. Since they won the World Series four seasons ago the team has gone down in quality and is way out of contention for a play off this season. This weekend they were hamered by teams way below their level. Be scared Liverpool fans, be very scared! {Ed062's Note - why do people compare baseball to football, its completely different, just worry about LFC}
First of all its a game of football not a nuclear bomb, why are you being so over dramatic. Probably trying to make your scare mongering stick. Unfortunately, for you, you fail to realise the bigger picture in this whole scheme. Any educated fan knows that Liverpool fc has to be changed from the top-level right to the pitch. We've spent years messing about wasting money. There is no nod given right to be at the top, it has to be earned and to do that Liverpool have to change the entire structure and that process has already begun. It will take time and it aint going to be easy but it will be worth it when it gets there.
ED 062 , your missing the point , what this means is that FSG are shafting their baseball and football teams , just so they dont have to invest their money. The only money that these teams will ever get is from the running of these clubs and nothing else.
Be scared!? Grow up.
A little perspective.......
We have just increased the wages of 2 of our senior players to keep them at the club.
We could have sold 4 of our top earners this window but we didn't. We added better players than we had, Alan, Boroni, Sahin, I haven't seen much of the other new signings so I cannot comment.
We also have Sterling, Shelvey and a couple of other youngsters banging on the door.
The squad is only weak in attack, yes we need to score goals but they will come from all areas not just a centre forward in the system we are playing.
We played Arsenal who have not conceded a goal in the opening 3 games; we still hit the post and created a few good opportunities. We created against City and West Brom. If we scored early against West Brom we would have controlled the game.
GGK
04 Sep 2012 04:27:58
All those wanting free agents... I can't see them doing any better than Sterling, Assaidi, Morgan or Yesil.
Keith YNWA
All those wanting free agents...Free urself from LFC.
holy_chap
04 Sep 2012 01:54:22
hi eds and all, i just cant believe what i am seeing and hearing all the time from owners mouth's and alot of fans on these pages the word 'resale'is that what we are a selling club get them young they will have a resale value,not get the youngest and the best and keep them for good.see its all about money for fsg and people dont see it even when they blatantly say it,cop on people,thats why no 1 was signed transfer day cause fsg wouldn't buy, cause they wouldn't get there money back on the 'resale' ty red
Every player has a price - it's simply a question of figuring out when best to sell. Do we sell at 28 for 20 million, or at 29 for 10, or at 30 for 5? How do you think we're going to finance new players? Look at Borussia Dortmund for a good example of how 'moneyball' works in a football club. {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with "moneyball".}
04 Sep 2012 01:48:37
Not a rumour eds just a question. With the recent amount of criticism reina is receiving lately jack butlands name is being thrown up quite a bit as a possible replacement . Is this guy just another Scott Carson/ Chris Kirkland or is he genuinely the real deal? And secondly is there any interest from us? Would appreciate your opinions.
Paul jones {Ed002's Note - I don't know of interest at this time.}
04 Sep 2012 01:07:05
why dont liverpool do a lottery online, quid a ticket, prizes lfc shirt signed, trips to anfield- all paid, photos, tickets, all inclusive trips on tours etc, this world is all media now- lets cash in, we have millions of fans global, our present lfctv is terrible, lets see inside the players lives, actually inside the academy, the new 8 9 yr olds and what fsg are doing behind the scenes, plus lets bring in an asian player of bout 15 and document his progress on our channel- lets exploit now, b4 asia fully becomes the red of man u {Ed002's Note - There are rules which make bringing in children from abroad very difficult.}
Why dont liverpool just do the Euromillions.
Dublad
Ya gotta love a post that includes reference to exploiting and children in the same sentence.
Mrpjd
04 Sep 2012 01:05:10
Liverpool owner John W Henry offers some laughable points with his letter to fans
Defending his position: John W Henry's open missive to the Kop sought to justify the contentious actions of his Fenway Sports Group in the transfer window
Picture: PA
By Henry Winter, Football CorrespondentLast Updated: 11:18PM BST 03/09/2012
Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play? Staying in harmony with the great traditions of Beatleville, John W Henry took a leaf out of John Lennon's songwriting book.
If Lennon's hymn of homage was to Mia Farrow's reclusive sister, Henry's homily was a love letter to the similarly elusive soul of financial restraint.
Henry's open missive to the Kop sought to justify the contentious actions of his Fenway Sports Group in the newly-closed transfer window.
Admirable in his intent, namely communicating with the club's lifeblood, Henry provided a window on the owner-manager-player-supporter dynamic in the modern game.
Some of Henry's observations defied belief. Others introduced some welcome perspective in the 'Greed Is Good' world of the Premier League.
His declaration was more than a parochial affair, a parish-pump natter about life within the Anfield village. Henry's thoughts need absorbing by all within the middling and upper echelons of English football. He makes some credible points and some laughable ones.
The thrust of the letter, amusingly presented on the official Liverpool website with a picture of Henry reaching inside his jacket as if for his wallet, was that the club were ambitious, that their faith in an exciting young manager in Brendan Rodgers remained strong, that balancing the books was essential and their pursuit of the likes of Clint Dempsey failed because they were "unable to conclude acceptable deals'' for strikers.
This is where Henry's mix of Moneyball and Mr Micawber falters. What is "acceptable"? Is it so extravagant to pay Fulham an extra £1 million to land Dempsey, a player that Rodgers has chased all summer.
Henry should have scribbled his note to fans a week ago, asking them whether Dempsey, a proven Premier League attacker, was worth an extra £1 million. Er, yes.
The lament in a few Kopite quarters of their club being "built by Shanks, broken by Yanks" overlooks Fenway's desire to run Liverpool as a business in keeping with Henry's commitment to Financial Fair Play.
But there's a balance between prudence and the need to spend to have even a chance of silverware. Buying players is not the appliance of exact science. It varies.
Henry, a slave to the Billy Beane philosophy of Moneyball so applicable to baseball not football, believes in recruiting young players with future resale value, a strategy that makes sense only if honourable exceptions are part of the rule.
Dempsey, an attacker experienced in the demands of the English game, would have hit the ground running.
Manchester United moved for another 29-year-old. Sir Alex Ferguson spent £24 million on Robin van Persie, four times the sum Fulham wanted for Dempsey, and the United manager has been rewarded with four goals in two starts. The Van Persie deal always made financial sense.
Never mind the till-busting takings in the Old Trafford megastore, just look at the rewards on the pitch.
Van Persie's ready to roll, off-the-peg excellence, satisfaction guaranteed. Dempsey would also have delivered if less dramatically.
He would also have eased the workload on Luis Suarez, helped with the education of the hitherto unconvincing Fabio Borini and giving lessons to ingénues like Raheem Sterling.
Henry needs to slip the leash on his dogma and the question remains: who is advising Fenway on footballing matters?
It's their club, their party but the feeling remains that Anfield is now filling behind the scenes with sharp commercial minds but lax footballing brains.
Take the new Warriors kit deal. It's a handsomely renumerative package, north of £25 million a season, but the brash and weirdly-worded "We Come Not To Play" branding around Anfield is utterly at odds with Liverpool's DNA.
Again, who is providing wise counsel to these moguls from over the pond?
Essentially, Henry and Tom Werner are good owners, albeit naive about the realpolitik of English football and missing a modern-day Peter Robinson, that much-respected chief executive of the club's halcyon days.
Managers and star players listened to PBR and followed his advice (by and large). The incumbent, Ian Ayre, is not a leader.
Respect needs showing to Henry. His dispatch from Boston emphasised that he "valued the judgment" of Rodgers in re-shaping an imbalanced, inadequate squad.
So trust the manager. Bestow Rodgers with faith, patience, time and, please, appropriate funds.
Henry let Rodgers down over Dempsey, leaving him light in attack with Andy Carroll loaned to West Ham United. Liverpool's wage-bill has ebbed and so has their potency.
Moneyball can really be a ruinous game at times. Do the maths. Dempsey would have more than paid his way.
Henry was obviously burned by past outlays. In a less than subtle dig, the belt-tightening American criticised Kenny Dalglish for overspending on players last year. Fair enough.
Dalglish's signings undoubtedly failed. Andy Carroll remains the skirmish point in this battleground of beliefs.
For those of us at Upton Park on Saturday, Carroll reminded everyone of his usefulness on and off the ball. Yet one performance should not be used as a stick with which to beat Rodgers.
It's the owners who have something to prove. Ditto the players.
Experienced internationals like Martin Skrtel, Steven Gerrard, Glen Johnson and Pepe Reina have all erred this season. So responsibility lies all around Anfield.
A need for honesty too. Henry spoke of Fenway as models of altruism in their involvement with Liverpool. Henry is a man of integrity but he is also a businessman.
Liverpool are a global sporting brand, a great family fallen on hard times. So Henry senses an opportunity. Invest shrewdly, get the giant back on its feet, and it's fistfuls of dollars all round.
That's the way of the world but don't go kidding people.
Henry also stretched the bounds of credibility by claiming that "we have no fear of spending and competing with the very best". Nonsense.
Liverpool cannot compete with the very best. They are a mid-table team. Their history is inspiring, but others have disappeared over the horizon.
Liverpool's fan-base is loyal and passionate but they need to cash some reality-checks, let alone some real cheques. {Ed002's Note -
"appropriate funds"
What do you believe a club outside of the Champions League for 3 seasons, that almost entered administration 2 years ago should consider "appropriate funds" ?
£25M, £30M or even £45M ??
Get real. Would you honestly have preferred us to go out and spend another £110M only for us to fail again in the league and start to run up dangerous debts? Starting to get tired of seeing our supposed fans have little to no patience in the steady and gradual rebuild of the club.
ElRoja
Don't agree with it all but a very well-written, considered and fairly balanced post. (And if you'd left a name we could congratulate you more personally.....)
Shame it's so long, most of the posters on this site seem to have the foresight of a goldfish- if somewhat less intelligence.
Mrpjd
Well written? It's a newspaper article written by someone (Henry Winter) who 2 weeks said that the Van Persie deal was a risk. This week in this article he says "The Van Persie deal always made financial sense."
04 Sep 2012 01:04:44
am I the only one who thinks we did well in this transfer window. Shouldn't the greedy players be to blame for all of this. Who really wants to pay £20million to a player. He really isn't worth the 90minutes work he may do within a week.
Shouldn't the players be held to account rather than the owners or the coaching staff. Isn't time to bring in salary caps in the premiership.
Honestly most of these players couldn't do anything else apart from kick a ball around. If they lived in the real world, they would be the kind of that mugged you on the way home because it's easier than working.
Sorry, I hit agree before I'd noticed the last line. Add two to the disagrees to compensate.
I am not aware of any player of ours being paid £20m.
E
Do you not get it? Talent on its own is never enought to get players to their level.
They spent their childhood practicing and training.
They sat in on the weekend when their mates went out.
They got up at ridiculous o'clock to train.
They ate the right foods and drank the right fluids to keep themselves in top shape.
They said no to drugs, alcohol, cigarettes and takeaways.
Instead of hitting a party, they hot the gym to improve. They also spent hours practicing skills and techniques on thier own.
Even now they must train twice a day, they must stick to strict dietary restrictions and develop regimented sleep patterns.
I'm sorry but it isn't their fault that clubs pay them the millions but that is football, don't like it then try not watching it and providing revenue.
The majority also do lots of charity work and give lots back to the community.
It's time to stop being so bitter mate. Had you put the hours in, then perhaps you could be there too.
derryred
04 Sep 2012 01:02:15
hi eds fantastic job during the transfer window.I believe all of us need to face up to some harsh facts.The club simply does not have the money to waste trying to compete with the likes of Chelsea and man city.Both of those clubs can throw money at supposed star players and write off any failures. And both chelsea and city have had many failures.However with astute tactics and the right system of play we can become competitive again.i truly believe that br is the right man to pull this off.He strikes me as avery intellegent confident and radical inhis thoughts about the game.if we truly give this guy a chance i believe he will design away of playing that wil shake up the premier league.this will have many benefits beyond the obvious ones(the promised land of winning the league).BRs system of play will mean we will be looking at the les obvious targets in the transfer market which will in turn stop us getting ripped off(chasing rediculous priced players).however he needs time and support to put this into place.liverpool fans we have got to give ourselves a chance please please support this guy it might be our last chance.
Spot on mate entirely agree with you.
04 Sep 2012 00:57:55
I don't mean to be funny, but a player like Walcott was never going to liverpool. Manchester might of bought him.
04 Sep 2012 00:57:46
Brendan Rodgers has taken on the mother of all rebuilding tasks at Liverpool.If Liverpool were Liberia and Kenny Dalglish was Charles Taylor,then Brendan Rodgers is the UN and needs our support,long-term !! B
04 Sep 2012 03:48:36
jwhenry should get harry redknapp in , at least he knows the workings of transfers and how to run clubs
Harry Rednapp would have walked out and left us without a manager you fool! It's not BR's fault the yanks or Ian Ayre failed pay the money required to get the strikers that BR wanted for God sake get behind him and the team and give him the chance he deserves after all we've only played 3 games
Rhonddared
'how to ruIn clubs'. Fixed that for you. Remind me of exactly what 'arry has won in his career? And how many clubs have gone suspiciously bankrupt shortly after he's left them?
Portsmouth?
Harry would be taking the biggest chunk of money for himself.
MUSHROOM
Yeah just ask west ham and portsmouth!
04 Sep 2012 03:39:16
eds if fans open some kind of transfer fundraiser. where lfc supporters (optional) put in a few quid to add to the transfer kitty.
would the club be able to spend that as part of FFP "spending what you make in profit"? or would it be inadmissible because it would not be seen as income generated by LFC.?
Don't think it would work - otherwise Shiek Mansour would just say 'I'm a fan, here's another 100m for the kitty'. It'll be hard hard enough keeping him and Abramovich under control in FFP regulations without giving them a loophole like that.
Yeah good idea,alternatively the so called "red til im dead" fans could by a ticket to to watch the team play cause there are plenty of empty seats.last season anfield was rarely full and in one league game there was only 35,000,whats all that about?
04 Sep 2012 03:29:58
Imo..I think rodgers is struggling to find how to get the best out of gerrard.d role rodgers gave him is not just working..I tink with time sahin deserves that role of playing behind suarez
04 Sep 2012 03:23:44
People - please bear in mind that there is generally a good reason why free agents are what they are - whether it be injury-proneness, age, wage demands or actual ability level, they are usually free because nobody wanted them.
LIVERPRES {Ed062's Note - Thankyou}
Also 'free' doesn't mean 'free'. It means they're not currently employed by anyone, not that they're not going to cost anything.
04 Sep 2012 03:18:33
From now until January, we will be just fine. Right now we have 2 weeks for Rodgers to get a grip of the team and to improve our passing and his system. First 3 games have gone, we have seen some decent displays and quite a few costly errors though they will be fixed with time. Our youngsters look as if they are ready to step. I really want to see Pacheco step up and be given the chance and Yesil gets his time in the youth then hopefully he will play some europa matches. The only time we should look at free agent is if perhaps Borini or Suarez get injured and are out for a while, otherwise we still have a team able to compete. How strong are Udinese in depth? Not that strong though they give their youngsters a chance and are just a strong team to break down. We will become a force as the season goes on. Tomorrow the 25 man squad list comes out, we shall see who Rodgers is gonna give a chance too and we will look on from there. Don't turn on the club this early on. Rodgers joined us because of the supporters we had. Show him what support we are capable oh giving him.
04 Sep 2012 03:14:30
Ayre Out.
I'd prefer someone who could show real leadership, and who:
a) stops annoying other clubs
b) stops annoying the FA
c) isn't such a scruff
Ayre should be doing what he's good at, Sponsorship's he shouldn't be near the transfers.
04 Sep 2012 03:09:27
I would think the whole deadline day drama effected some of the senior players, especially Gerrard,Suarez and Pepe. No matter how professional they are, it came out vs. Arsenal. If we as fans were upset, I would imagine they felt let down by the club as well. Give them all some slack and our support and let's see where we will be around Christmas time and then form an opinion!
YNWA
HK
04 Sep 2012 03:08:37
i know we are in need of a decent finisher but we have shipped 7 goals in 3 matches.rodgers needs to be playing a 4-1-3-2 to give extra cover for our defenders. any opinions?
redricho
04 Sep 2012 02:57:56
Sell: Reina, Gerrard
Why: You gain 15m for each of them and a huge amount of wages is off the bill and they aren't really performing to the required level.
Buy: Vorm, Moussa Sissoko
Why: Vorm is as good as Reina with cheaper wages and a cheaper transfer cost. Around 8 million for him I suspect. Sissoko is a box-to-box player who never stops running. He is strong and fast and can fit into the formation well. He will cost around 5-6 million and have relatively cheap wages.
That's a lot of money saved there with no harm to the spine of the team. Obviously a striker is needed so maybe Llorente for 10 million in January?
BthekingB {Ed062's Note - Can't sell Gerrard now, whats the point? he can still make a massive impact on games}
04 Sep 2012 02:08:12
Liverpool are going to sign tonton zola moukaku and maxim tsigalko on free transfers so all our worries are over Tsigalko has the potential to score 80 to over 100 goals a season
04 Sep 2012 00:51:12
Hi Eds, great work through the transfer... Like most am feeling a bit down. I just wanted to ask, with everyone going on about Owen coming back... Isn't there another ex Liverpool striker who is a free agent? florent sinama pongolle??
I mean he's only 27, yes he hasn't lived up to his potential but wouldnt mind him in a front three with borini and saurez?? Plus wouldn't cost much and I think the fans would prefer him to Michael "sick note" Owen.. Would you think?
Thank you
Amin
04 Sep 2012 00:41:54
Hey eds any idea when dave fallows Is due to resume at liverpool heard he is on gardening leave {Ed002's Note - He is already at the club.}
04 Sep 2012 00:36:14
Not a rumour, just a hopeful hypothesis.
Having looked over the list of free transfers, there's no one who will make a massive difference. Michael Owen maybe, and I would have no reservations about bringing him back surrounding the fact he played for Man Utd. He was available in 2005 and 2009, Liverpool didn't act. I don't begrudge him for that one bit, my only concern is whether he has still got it after only 4 games last year, a loss of pace, and an injury record that makes Kieran Dyer look good! Heskey, no, just no! Del Piero wouldn't come because I think his relationship with the Juve fans would prevent this (just look at when they turned their backs when they came to Anfield!).
There are no others on the free transfer list that I would see improving the squad. What I would like to see is Morgan, Yesil and Assaisi given the chance to flourish and get some game time.
And start working now finding that striker we need so he joins the club on January 1st! Rodgers said he doesn't anticipate doing much in January. Surely not! Get the deal done now for someone like Llorente, who would be relatively cheap due to his contract running down.
Unfortunately, buying and selling players is not simply a matter of deciding 'we want this player' or 'we don't want that one'. There have to be clubs willing to buy or sell to us, and the players have a say too. People who sit on this board and say 'sell these players and buy these, and this is how many millions it will cost' need to do some research as to how it really works if they want to be taken seriously.
03 Sep 2012 22:55:58
ed002 this hungarian striker you are talking about does not really have a hungarian name, can I just ask you for his name again please, thankyou. I know hungarian very well and that is not a name.
hibsylfc
04 Sep 2012 00:27:15
Lewis McGugan has been linked with a loan move to Liverpool. This coming from a number of sources,other clubs are also keen for him to sign. Watch this space.
We can't loan other players from different clubs can we?
Mighty reds {Ed002's Note - Not now.}
04 Sep 2012 00:26:42
hi ed, may get slated for saying this,
but Pepe Reina has not looked happy for the last year, hasn't been sharp, and now looks mediocre,
sell him eos, but bring butland in january,
we have a new style and need a fresh energetic keeper who wants to play at the top of his game consistently,
great servant in reina but i think his time is done,
also free agents, i would love to see the mighty DROG in a red shirt, not saying we'd make champs league or win title with him, but we would compete in games, and what a fantastic target man for the final pass. {Ed062's Note - Drogba isn't a free agent mate}
03 Sep 2012 23:08:18
Eds/Macca anyone who could give me some light on this.
So follow me on this one, is it legally possible for Liverpool to enter discussions with a club which has a player of interest, to terminate the player's contract, and pay the compensation to the club, and maybe a bit more as a "donation" so the player will be a free agent and then could sign for us? I know this will not happen, but I was wondering if this is a procedure that could be applied legally in football.
Thanks for the help, Drew9.
PS: I know we have a problem up front, but i think us supporters should stop putting unnessary pressure on the team because of this, because at the end of the day, we have an incredible starting eleven compared to previous years, and Brendan Rodger's wouldn't be here if he wasn't doing his best for our beloved club. And common' guys, we are all going for the owner's throats because of what has happened, but i think we are just ingoring the fact that the club was going bankrupt, and now we are back on track financially thanks to these people. And it is not as if we didn't try to sign anyone on deadline day, there was intent, but what can i say, Stuff happens! get behind our team, and it will make the job easier for the players and staff.
04 Sep 2012 00:04:29
Micheal Owen?
First i was thinking it mite be a good idea
But if u look at it
He had no pre-season. Fitness?
Getting to full fitness and also geling in would take couple of months in its self.
Injury prone
And the fact he is NOT that good. Lol
Yes Morgan looked a bit lost against hearts but was his 1st game n did have the ball in the net but will give greater energy and hard work than owen
Rather have him on the bench as a option
Ngoo? Suprised that he hasnt even been with the 1st team squad.
Big strong quite pacey great footwork.
Yes reserve football is a big step from league one let alone premier league.
But give them a shot.
Oh yh a YESIL lets see what he got.
Possibly the MOST talented st in reserve.
But to solve the forward problem i would have Gerrard there.
Dont need to list the reasons.
As a 'false 9' with Sterling & Suarez who he has a decent understanding with linking and bouncing off.
Gerrard in the middle, he is able to lose defenders off Suarez
Play through balls
Quite tall and strong in holding up the ball.
Or Wide.
One of the Best crossers.
Still has fairly decent pace.
-----SHELVEY------ALLEN-----SAHIN----
-----SUAREZ-----GERRARD-----STERLING----
Gerrard would be great in the front three also help him in his shaky start
And can play his final balls through and go for his passes higher up the field reducing the risks of losing poss. that happen now in the middle of the park.
End of january new forward hopefully.
C'mon Rodgers
F5
04 Sep 2012 00:01:30
hey eds and fellow liverpool fans,i think we need to be realistic were not gonna sign any free agents,there has to be a reason why they are free agents doesnt there!
Why would a club let the players contract run out to leave on a free f he was any good,and f he was letting the contract run down why hasnt he been snapped up!Klasnic is probably the only decent free agent i see anyway!
I personally would love to see morgan get a few games even just as a sub,i seen him playing against hearts and everytime a ball came in from the wing he was always in around the goal area waiting to get a chance,i think he could get us a few goals!
Anyways i was wondering could the eds or fans help me out a bit,im an irish liverpool fan and i remember liverpool signed a young lad last year i think he was around 16 or 17 from ireland and and apparantly united were after him that time too,some people were comparing him to gareth bale in the way that he plays,anyways i was wondering if anyone could remind me of the boys name and do they know how he is developing at liverpool?
Quinner
03 Sep 2012 23:51:33
By Henry Winter, Football CorrespondentLast Updated: 11:18PM BST 03/09/2012
Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play? Staying in harmony with the great traditions of Beatleville, John W Henry took a leaf out of John Lennon's songwriting book.
If Lennon's hymn of homage was to Mia Farrow's reclusive sister, Henry's homily was a love letter to the similarly elusive soul of financial restraint.
Henry's open missive to the Kop sought to justify the contentious actions of his Fenway Sports Group in the newly-closed transfer window.
Admirable in his intent, namely communicating with the club's lifeblood, Henry provided a window on the owner-manager-player-supporter dynamic in the modern game.
Some of Henry's observations defied belief. Others introduced some welcome perspective in the 'Greed Is Good' world of the Premier League.
His declaration was more than a parochial affair, a parish-pump natter about life within the Anfield village. Henry's thoughts need absorbing by all within the middling and upper echelons of English football. He makes some credible points and some laughable ones.
The thrust of the letter, amusingly presented on the official Liverpool website with a picture of Henry reaching inside his jacket as if for his wallet, was that the club were ambitious, that their faith in an exciting young manager in Brendan Rodgers remained strong, that balancing the books was essential and their pursuit of the likes of Clint Dempsey failed because they were "unable to conclude acceptable deals'' for strikers.
This is where Henry's mix of Moneyball and Mr Micawber falters. What is "acceptable"? Is it so extravagant to pay Fulham an extra £1 million to land Dempsey, a player that Rodgers has chased all summer.
Henry should have scribbled his note to fans a week ago, asking them whether Dempsey, a proven Premier League attacker, was worth an extra £1 million. Er, yes.
The lament in a few Kopite quarters of their club being "built by Shanks, broken by Yanks" overlooks Fenway's desire to run Liverpool as a business in keeping with Henry's commitment to Financial Fair Play.
But there's a balance between prudence and the need to spend to have even a chance of silverware. Buying players is not the appliance of exact science. It varies.
Henry, a slave to the Billy Beane philosophy of Moneyball so applicable to baseball not football, believes in recruiting young players with future resale value, a strategy that makes sense only if honourable exceptions are part of the rule.
Dempsey, an attacker experienced in the demands of the English game, would have hit the ground running.
Manchester United moved for another 29-year-old. Sir Alex Ferguson spent £24 million on Robin van Persie, four times the sum Fulham wanted for Dempsey, and the United manager has been rewarded with four goals in two starts. The Van Persie deal always made financial sense.
Never mind the till-busting takings in the Old Trafford megastore, just look at the rewards on the pitch.
Van Persie's ready to roll, off-the-peg excellence, satisfaction guaranteed. Dempsey would also have delivered if less dramatically.
He would also have eased the workload on Luis Suarez, helped with the education of the hitherto unconvincing Fabio Borini and giving lessons to ingénues like Raheem Sterling.
Henry needs to slip the leash on his dogma and the question remains: who is advising Fenway on footballing matters?
It's their club, their party but the feeling remains that Anfield is now filling behind the scenes with sharp commercial minds but lax footballing brains.
Take the new Warriors kit deal. It's a handsomely renumerative package, north of £25 million a season, but the brash and weirdly-worded "We Come Not To Play" branding around Anfield is utterly at odds with Liverpool's DNA.
Again, who is providing wise counsel to these moguls from over the pond?
Essentially, Henry and Tom Werner are good owners, albeit naive about the realpolitik of English football and missing a modern-day Peter Robinson, that much-respected chief executive of the club's halcyon days.
Managers and star players listened to PBR and followed his advice (by and large). The incumbent, Ian Ayre, is not a leader.
Respect needs showing to Henry. His dispatch from Boston emphasised that he "valued the judgment" of Rodgers in re-shaping an imbalanced, inadequate squad.
So trust the manager. Bestow Rodgers with faith, patience, time and, please, appropriate funds.
Henry let Rodgers down over Dempsey, leaving him light in attack with Andy Carroll loaned to West Ham United. Liverpool's wage-bill has ebbed and so has their potency.
Moneyball can really be a ruinous game at times. Do the maths. Dempsey would have more than paid his way.
Henry was obviously burned by past outlays. In a less than subtle dig, the belt-tightening American criticised Kenny Dalglish for overspending on players last year. Fair enough.
Dalglish's signings undoubtedly failed. Andy Carroll remains the skirmish point in this battleground of beliefs.
For those of us at Upton Park on Saturday, Carroll reminded everyone of his usefulness on and off the ball. Yet one performance should not be used as a stick with which to beat Rodgers.
It's the owners who have something to prove. Ditto the players.
Experienced internationals like Martin Skrtel, Steven Gerrard, Glen Johnson and Pepe Reina have all erred this season. So responsibility lies all around Anfield.
A need for honesty too. Henry spoke of Fenway as models of altruism in their involvement with Liverpool. Henry is a man of integrity but he is also a businessman.
Liverpool are a global sporting brand, a great family fallen on hard times. So Henry senses an opportunity. Invest shrewdly, get the giant back on its feet, and it's fistfuls of dollars all round.
That's the way of the world but don't go kidding people.
Henry also stretched the bounds of credibility by claiming that "we have no fear of spending and competing with the very best". Nonsense.
Liverpool cannot compete with the very best. They are a mid-table team. Their history is inspiring, but others have disappeared over the horizon.
Liverpool's fan-base is loyal and passionate but they need to cash some reality-checks, let alone some real cheques.
Sorry Prudence.
Fantastic post.....
03 Sep 2012 23:34:45
03 Sep 2012 20:54:25
Ed062 is Blair Mayne no doubt mate. {Ed062's Note - haha im not mate, trust me.}
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Ed062 have you been saying you were me (again)? If so, I hope you've been keeping up my good rep mate.
(the real) Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed062's Note - haha Don't think anyone can have as good as a rep as you mate}
03 Sep 2012 23:48:43
THIS WHAT PURSLOW THOUGHT ABOUT FSG "To get it straight, I think we should avoid the natural temptation to jump straight in to the deal with NESV. Whilst they are charming, intelligent and credible their bid is by any standards at the extreme bottom end of the 'right deal' threshold we set for ourselves: it only reduces debt by less than half and is I feel unlikely to yield incremental equity to fund a stadium.
"They may say they have money if necessary but I do not take this very seriously. Their eyes only lit up at the idea of other opportunity improvements. An American deal guy simply can't avoid using other people's money if they can.
"There is no extra money on the table to enable short-term investment in what remains a squad palpably needing more quality if we are to be definitively top four. New American sport team owners with the senior guy being a hedge fund manager could not be worst [sic] from an image standpoint, which is an issue for us independents. I have not even talked about valuation. I leave that to other members of the board. So what is positive? Answer, they exist. Which is not a lot, but it is not to be underestimated in importance {Ed016's Note - Because Purslow was a genius.......}
No, he might not be a genius, but that does not mean his point of view is to be swept under the carpet.Also remember Purslow was a lot closer to Fsg tan you and i when this original deal was being done. Purslow can also speak from a stand point of having his handcuffs removed and can speak his mind without rebuke. I would take what he says very seriously.
The Irish Rover
For all his mistakes, let's not forget he with Broughton fought to save the club. And yes he was right about the deal.
Yes, purslow was nothing short of an person.
He played a huge part in getting us in this mess in the first place!
MJ
Of course he's right
Most people knew that FSG were not the best option even the guy can't remember his name the chairman of BA Martin whatshisface did not think FSG was good for LFC but the best that was available at that time and time was running out.
Last 2 sentences nullify everything that goes before it.
Where has this Purslow chat come from?
Long Live the King
It's not like there was a big queue of free spending billionaires and FSG was chosen in preference to them. Seriously, some of the fans on here need to stop making 'back of a fag packet' calculations of net spend etc, and read the accounts for the last few years. We've blown the best part of 30 or 40 million just on replacing managers. The club was well and truly munted by H&G, the new owners are a world apart. Compare, if you will, JH's letter and 'blow me f**k face'. Remember 5 windows under Rafa where the net spend was zero or less? People need to get a sense of perspective. There's no 'quick buck' to be made, there's no 'asset stripping' - the club is running at a loss, and the ONLY way FSG will make any profit is if the club is successful and the value of their asset grows. For all peoples whinging we were still in the top 10 highest spending clubs in Europe this window, and don't even get me going on how much money KK / Comolli blew on overpriced average English talent. Too many people want success and want it NOW, regardless of cost. The real world doesn't work that way - these things take time.
Purslow was brought in to the club to obtain investment. He failed to do so.
When the club had to be sold, RBS didn't trust him to do it, so they got someone better.
In the few months when he had some power, he replaced Rafa with Roy and signed Joe Cole on a huge contract.
Why is anyone interested in the thoughts of this banker.
Travellingmike
03 Sep 2012 23:47:44
Hi guys, i watched the 1st hour of the under 21's vs manc rubbishtey today before the wife took over the tv. i was very impressed by PELOSI and NGOO. maybe one of them should be given a shot. i would love to have a more experienced player wear our crest but they are free for a reason. therefore i revert back to the younger lads and ask BR to show a little more faith with youth other than STERLING. players have got to get experience somewhere, so why not on the best pitch in the world. i would however start by playing ASSAIDI and YESIL before looking at bosmans. Please!! ;-)
Are you serious mate?
You want a young 18 year old german kid tp hope off the plane and straight into the first team FFS
03 Sep 2012 23:37:23
Could it be that fsg are too preoccupied with resale value?
I mean On the face of it carroll is young and should have a reasonable resale yet no-one will buy him
Best to just buy good players {Ed063's Note - west ham have the option to purchase him for 17mil}
West ham don't have the option to buy him at the last minute this was removed from his loan contract
'Option to buy' rather than 'commitment to buy', yes? {Ed001's Note - if they stay up, the move becomes permanent, if relegated, he comes back.}
03 Sep 2012 23:30:18
struggling to undertand LFC's principals when it comes to buying players. is it safe assumption had the likes of clint dempsey was aged say 25, and priced at £10 , then the money would have been found even though we have not got any. as he is 29 and seen by some as getting on a bit, we only offer a smaller fee (allegedly £4m ) even though we have no money . cant work it out really
Its called being a cute whore with money
Fee plus VAT plus agents fees etc, plus wages for 3 years - Dempsey would have cost over 20m all told.
03 Sep 2012 23:29:04
Tonight fellow readers and posters has seen some truly priceless material on this site.
heskey
relegation
pongolle to name but a few.
read it, honest. comedy highlights state heskey is a good option as he isn't injury prone. also ant to le tallacs dec florent sinama pongolle should finally be maturing to peak performance at the age of 28. or 27.either way Im glad i hung around long enough to witness the mercurial enigma bask in his own Indian summer.
let the good times roll.
in whoevers in charge or playing we trust.
contrite gobs height
Whiole relegation is not on the cards we have one point from nine
So a bottom half table finish is on the cards without a striker being brought in or Gerrard being moved up front
03 Sep 2012 23:19:18
Someone tell me what Borini brings to the team. Yes he's new and young but so is Allen and he has impressed and shown glimpses of what to expect. Borini does nothing to influence the game and I'm wondering if anyone sees thing I don't. Personally I'd rather have a goalscorer through the middle and Suarez and Sterling either side {Ed063's Note - Borini is a goal poacher. However for some reason he is being played out of position}
Allen will be as good as modric lookedthe best player for us against the gooners as stevie g looked the worst the times they are a changin
Borini is another waste of money like Downing {Ed062's Note - unlike downing Borini is 21}
Give the guy time - new club, new country, a year out of an academy, and played out of position. I know plenty of Chelsea fans (I'm surrounded by them and Utd fans at work) who were gutted to lose him in the first place and even more that he joined us.
Christ. 2 games. give the guy a chance
03 Sep 2012 23:12:20
on the matter of Anelka & Drogba being released from there respected contracts in China, personally i would try for Anelka and NOT even try for Drogba due to Anelkas past history with LFC. He stated when his LFC loan finished and he left us that he loved the club and dident want to leave as he really felt right on the pitch and off it. I also believe Del Piero is also a free agent at the moment and still has plenty to offer at the highest level and he has a winning mentality that could benifit us. I know he is a bit older but i would much rather him or Anelka before Owen (as it would be very hard to get the fans back on his side after everything he has done since leaving LFC). Cheers Ian.
What do you think?
Del piero signed for sydney fc
Drogba scores goals Anelka does not, do you really want another player that can't score playing up top?
03 Sep 2012 23:10:32
If you take into account all the new players that have arrived and left the club since FSG took over the club and the first transfer window (January 2011) where John Henry dipped his hand in his pockets the owners have spent exactly £58,850,000 Net total.
Which if you average out over the 4 transfer windows that there has been since FSG took over (just short of 15 million) per window...... It's hardly the £100+ millions Henry makes out.
Stop pulling the wool over our eyes Henry....
It's cost cutting and you know it....
Wizards sleeve.... {Ed063's Note - so what about the money they spent to buy the club, to wipe the debts and to pay off fringe players with large wages? I see you have failed to take any of that into account}
This agenda driven ignorance disturbs me deeply. Why are we looking to make FSG into bad guys? They have as much vested interest in success as we do. Granted their's is probably more financial than emotional but either way. Maybe try being appreciative and supportive, it makes for a much better present and future.
Andy K
The money they spent to buy the club and wiping of the debt are one of the same. Paying of certain players show as part of the loss in the yearly accounts. Near on £50 million loss the year end previous and Ed002 thinks roughly the same for the year end just past. Take into consideration the massive savings on wages, the warrior deal (extra £12/13 million per year), the obvious reduced activity in the summer transfer window and i beleive that £50 million loss will be nearly wiped out. We also have Europa cup football this year! If we where to do well (highly unlikely, i know) that generates approx £10 million.
So who is happy? Fsg will certainly be, but are the fans. Surely spending the extra money to get into CL football has to be the way forward. Look at the squads of Chelsea, Utd, Citeh, Arsenal and Spurs! You all heard Rodgers, we have an extremely small group of players! 3 defenders on the bench against the Gunners.Who do we play in the Europa matches? The reserves? Its not going to take us very far, is it? I tell you now, 7th place last year might be a very good effort this year and no cup runs. Oh joy!
The Irish Rover
'Massively reduced window activity'? We still spent *30 million*. Just because the last day of the window didn't bring the players we wanted don't assume the rest of it was a failure. I think we'd done awesomely well up to then.
The problem is that there is no guarantee that spending money will get CL football - look at last year as the perfect example of that.
03 Sep 2012 23:09:31
Hi ed's & Macca,just to say a big thankyou for all the info you gave us on deadline day,not easy time for you!! fellow reds please can we get behind liverpool and support our team,not have a go at them,turn negative attitude into a positive one!
03 Sep 2012 23:02:01
eds ! Quick question pls ! In ur opinions do u see fsg still owning Liverpool in 2 years ? {Ed063's Note - yes i do}
I am not an Ed but I see them owning LFC for many years to come unfortunately
Think about it the financial climate will not be right for a sale of LFC for many years to come
03 Sep 2012 23:12:38
Hey eds can you please post this in the rumours section.
With alan dzagoev now in the final 6 months of his contract can't clubs start offering him pre-contracts. If I am correct in saying that do you know of any interest from liverpool as I think he is a great player and would fit our style.
03 Sep 2012 23:02:57
Gonna say something controversial which alot of you guys will disagree with, sell luis suarez in jan for some much needed transfer funds, i think hes overated and petulent yes he can do the odd great thing but genarally his touch and awareness are very poor, thoughts please ??
Please support fergie, he made a mess of suares and u supporting his ideology
redh0t
Mate we can't sell our star players coz at the momment we are struggling to attract player and as we know our owners they will invest in 2/3 young or pontential players rather then sign world cass player so its pointless selling him. We need to sign players rather then sell mate.
For me, anything £35M+ and I would sell. 11 goals, 6 assists in 2011/12 is not really a stellar return. He also seems to be playing in a greedier fashion lately and not picking his head up when others are in better positions. The league has also figured out a good chunk of the time he will try a nutmeg, this he's a lot less successful at it then he was.
Suarez thrives playing with partner. Against Arsenal we saw Suarez drowned by Arsenal defenders, he didn't have anyone with him, as Borini is still finding the ropes. If Carroll was playing Arsenal's centre backs wouldn't have been able to do that and Suarez would have chased the knock ons.
Another style of striker with pace and decent runs would have make space for Suarez, Suarez would have been able to feed him cunning balls. Suarez is not at his best as a lone striker or with someone still finding the pace of the Premiership.
Let's not forget after the first 30 minutes, Arsenal were very good. Sterling almost scored, so we weren't rubbish and inept. Pepe hopefully finds some of his form, not too long ago there were cheers of him being the best, or one of. So he's not rubbish, just having a problem with confidence and luck not helping him.
The thing is he along with pepe, gerrard and agger is what would makes big name players still consider lfc as an option for them.
we just price ourselves out of contention for them due to "FFP" which doesn't come in until 2014.
If he had help his bad points would not be there , he makes the goals himself and scores himself , he has to make run which most of the time no one passes to him , just look at his stats in all the clubs he has played for and you will see how dumb you really are , why not sell agger at least suarez plays all season and in the off season , and gets goals and creates them , ask huntelaar who made most of his goals when at ajax which got him a move to real madrid , agger wont score as many goals as suarez and he wont stop them , top defendefr he is not , he is a crock , who does not play an whole season but gets paid for the full season , i would rather have a player who plays the whole season than a player who does not plus you would get around the same money for agger , and that temprement as you say i remember rooney , cantona , and even di canio having the same temprements , what did they say about rooney and cantona , , they said if they took that away they would not be the same player
mickey b
eds please post this answer to this fool who thinks he knows something about football , and about players temprements
He thinks he is bigger than the club..selfish..a total nutter who would rather run around a defender twice than go on and shoot.. He could be amazing but he isn't.. We need to build a team.. its a no-brainer..Suarez will never be a team player {Ed062's Note - I don''t think he thinks he's bigger than the club, he just doesn't use his brain}
Really mate his touch? Maybe all the other stuff but his control is up there with the best of them. The worst I've seen him play was the last game, touchwise.
03 Sep 2012 23:02:54
My free advice to all anti-FSG supporters.Form a group collect money by donations buy the club & buy your favorite players whoever you want.Change players who don't perform @ every transfer window. If you cant manage this plz.shut up & get lost,i'm tired listening to you moaners that the owners should do this or they should do that.
holy_red.
This is illogical, i have my thoughts on how the club is ranand how it should be ran, it doesn't mean i need to go out and buy the club and impose and enforce my desires, thoughts and ideology on it.
But it also doesn't mean i or anyone else should be silent when criticism is justified. Everyone is allowed an opinion and to suppress that would be to suppress free speech.
03 Sep 2012 22:59:54
is already 2 years and still bleming tom and jerry ? come on J.Henry you like to many calculative risk and that not pay you back. you should appoint a football brain to run the club. what about stadium can't final it too. confuse management . look for a good buyer make money and run away from the club.
03 Sep 2012 22:58:03
Just noticed that Tuncay is free, his 30 years old a decent player! Would be perfect for our situation! PJ
03 Sep 2012 22:55:45
I am going to briefly explain what I think will be a good solution to the problems we have had over the past few seasons in not being able to secure a top 4 finish.
Now, it is obvious that we have spent a lot of money in the past few seasons, over £150m. It is the way we have spent the money that has been our downfall. For example £20m for Downing, Carroll for £35m, £16m for Henderson, the same old names that keep popping up.
Instead of buying 7 or 8 overpriced and over-rated players, we could have simply bought 4 world class players. (These are examples of players and it doesnt mean that these are the players I would personally go for). But the types of names I would go for are Cavani, Falcao, Ozil, Kaka, Thiago Silva, Pato. Now, I know that some of these players are unavailable
but this is the 'class' of player we are going for.
These types of players will 100% guarantee top performances and will improve the squad. Instead of buying 5 or 6 £10m players, we should buy 1 or 2 £30m players. After 2 seasons (4 transfer windows), we will have added 8 world class players to the squad instead of 20 overpriced & over-rated players.
Also, when we bought Carroll, we actually didn't need him. We had Suarez, Kuyt & Maxi in forward positions which would have been enough to see out the rest of the season. Then in the summer, we could have properly planned to buy a striker who would fit in with the squad and got them for a better price.
Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Thanks guys!
Pato and kaka are not that good.
And if we dont get into ECL?
Andy K
Do you really think the names you have mentioned above will give up teams like RM,AC Milan,Barca with CL football,better wages,more stability etc for Liverpool!...Our downfall has been overpaid British so called Talent..What on earth had Carroll done to have price tag of 35 M..only KK and Comolli know..why to slate JWH or FSG or TW for this..they backed them to the hill..I think FSG have been extremely supportive and they are learning from mistakes the hard way..by wasting millions of pounds..JWH open letter to fans says it all..they are totally aware of the situation but do not behave like we fans do..One good performance and we will sing praises and chant names..next week if its off day or unlucky day..then whole team,management,owners are busted..so fickle...I know there is frustration and pain which has accumulated over the years but FSG are not responsible for it..Be patient because for once in a long time..things atleast sounds rational and positive with long term benefits and plans..LFC faltered on deadline day but nobody clearly knows the reasons for it..there are rumors and conjectures which only adds up to frustrations..Following are positives:
a) Our midfield looks dynamic..Allen-Playmaker, Gerrard-Enforcerer, Sahin- Link up between mid and forward.
b) First Time in years the team seems to be playing with wingers
c) Assaidi still has to show his colors
d) We havent sold Carroll and he gets valuable play time and most importantly confidence.
I dont post frequently and sorry for long post! Appreciate your time and thoughts..
Indian with Red Heart
03 Sep 2012 22:38:03
Why aren't LFC interested in Heskey until Xmas he is a free agent. I think it's a much better option than Owen at least he's not injury prone and is a good team player. Please no more nonsense about Drogba or Anelka this guys get over 200k per week
to answear your question mate. we need goals !
the big fella has scored 9 times in 4 seasons, that means he proberly wouldn't score till after xmas anyway ha
golden slumbers
03 Sep 2012 22:37:06
We played 3 games in 7 days:
(a) Man City- whom we played off the park - a good performance which gave a glimpse of how we will play in the future.
(b) Hearts - who gave us a tough physical game
(c) Arsenal - where we were decent in the first and ok towards the end of the game.
Let's not panic after just three games.
The players were no doubt tired esp Stevie G and Suarez.
Might be better for the above two to concentrate on the Premier League games and give the youngsters playing time in the other matches.
FSG are right in trying to put the club on a sustainable financial position.
BR is an astute manager, he will learn and grow into the job.
Everything takes time - patience and support is the key.
Shanks was the foundation - but it also took him time too.
MULDER
03 Sep 2012 22:33:39
There is a reason why one of the best manager like mourinho says he will never manage liverpool but will manage clubs like spurs and newcastle
Is it that we dont want him?
Andy K
03 Sep 2012 22:32:35
Steven Gerrard needs to be bench-warming.
Not been up to scratch by any stretch of the imagination.
Done little other than give the ball away, look disinterested and display clear and misdirected disdain towards team mates.
Time to look at starting with Jonjo, Nuri and Allen.
The Squirrel
Plus he doesn't track back for jack
Put Gerrard right forward.. Why hasn't this happened? I would not be surprised if it does next game.
I agree to a point. i think gerrard cant play where he is in this system. if he played in the deep role and dropped inbetween skrtlr and agger with mids infront and full backs going forward he could dictate from there. or as you say have him as a impact sub , but i would play henderson with allen and sahin. steviep62
03 Sep 2012 22:25:06
January window. I think it will be busy by the sounds of things.
Llorente 10 million
Munian 20 million
Walcott 7 million.
Remove munian fron that list as he will not be affordable. The other two would be possible plus add a real good back-up GK replacing jones and Doni. Someone like Butland or Rafael.
Not a chance!.
There will be no funds, and some lame arse reason given by FSG.
Don't delude yourself.
Its all about "shedding costs", not about being a competitive team.
Lets all worship at the altar of the mighty "bean counters" from Boston.
Id be happy with
Fernando Llorente & Fernando Amorebieta for a combined fee of £20m (Carragher has to be done at the end of the season)
both would have 6months to go on their contracts and that offer would surely be accepted with open arms.
Along with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang for £7.5m
that would be spending £27.5m
but take away carroll's £18.5m
Adam's £4.5m
Spearing's £1m - loan
that would leave the spending at £3.5m (signing on fee's not included)
then in the summer; a £30m kitty plus money from further sales, loans or releases (not including carroll, adam and spearing loan fee) would be enough to add 3 more players to boost the squads depth as well as promoting from within.
the only 1st team guys that do not belong are cole, pacheco (clearly not seen as the answer), wilson and spearing.
so the squad could look like after adding just 3 "AVAILABLE, AFFORDABLE" players in the jan window
ST; suarez, LLORENTE, PIERRE, borini
Wing; sterling, assaidi, downing, cole*, pacheco*
Mid; allen, sahin, lucas, shelvey, gerrard, henderson
FB; johnson, enrique, kelly, robinson
CB; skrtel, agger, AMOREBIETA, coates, carragher, wilson*
GK; pepe, jones, doni*, gulacsi
* = potential January outs that would have no affect on the first team. {Ed062's Note - LLorente will cost over 30 million himself so i think your plan is flawed}
Heard it all before where more likiey too buy 3 names youve never heard of
03 Sep 2012 22:25:01
firstly thanks eds 4 all the hard work u guys put in
got to get this of my chest
here is my opinion on the current state of our FANS after reading through lots of posts!( 1000s)
half our so called FANS live in cloud cukoo land fsg out....heskey..vassell..in.. out with br..etc etc get a life
But the other half just goes to show we really do have the best fans in the world,
Ive read some really factual and positive stuff from true fans with who love and cherish our great club as much as me.
I for one am very excited about our new adventure imo our youth and new singings will gel and prosper under br who i think will become a true legend given time and our support. 12th man remember
our club deserves to be at the top and time patience and tikka taka can take us where we once were top of the pile looking down in br we trust
so sleep well tonight fellow reds knowing our clubs in good hands the future is bright .. suso ... sterling... coates...kelly...morgan.. ynwa
Thanks for that. Let's see how u feel come the end of the season. Sure our youngsters will prosper in the championship.
03 Sep 2012 22:16:57
when is yensil and assaidi going to play?
03 Sep 2012 22:16:43
Which player i would take on a free transfer?
NO ONE
Let January and the end of the season come then talk and say " borini is brill , borini is worth way more than 11 mill"
Suarez will deliver too
Wait and see my friends
Patience Is A Virtue
GAM
03 Sep 2012 22:11:46
Why not bring coates into the defence and put AGGER up front
Agger!!
I'd put Skrtel up front.
You kidding right?
The real AG
03 Sep 2012 22:09:18
now we are a debt free club , with a massive world wise fan base , theres no reason why the saudis or any abu dahbi , kuwaiti, DIC or even far eastern billionaries , wont find us a good buy !!
FSG are not the only owners in the world , they have shown themselves to be tight fisted , and totally clueless managing a football club !!
i just hope we get approached by some rich potential owners , LFC has massive fan bases in both middle east and far east !!
I support BR , and LFC , but not FSG , they are not the club , we are the fans !!!
I'd recommend posting some billboards then. Maybe '£500M for a historic football club' will do the trick.
If someone wanted to buy the club, I'm pretty sure the owners would be more than happy to get their money plus a fair amount back and be done with us.