Liverpool Banter Archive January 04 2015

 

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04 Jan 2015 21:22:58


I'm glad Origi is coming to be honest. Let's be honest, he's not scored many goals but he is definitely an upgrade on our current strikers and this means Sterling doesn't have to play upfront and be wasted.

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The poor bloke hasn't scored a goal since October in a league nowhere near the Premier League. i'm not too sure how you think he will help us much. Remember he is only 19?

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04 Jan 2015 22:05:23
He is new signing Irish , so he must be brilliant . give them 2 months and soon they change their tune.

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I don't Think he will come ununtil the summer.

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It's too early for him and a ridiculously poor decision by the club if true, he needs nurturing, not being thrown in at the deep end when things are going badly.

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Hes going to be very ordinary trust me.

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Maybe ordinary is what we need. were performing far below what Liverpool should ordinarily be. ha.

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Roy. Who is they?

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04 Jan 2015 21:06:30
Can we not source more local Liverpool talent? Players who care for the club and not mercenaries.

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Those players will take years to develop and need players of a higher caliber to aid their development in day to day training, and also to match the clubs ambitions in the here and now.

But an example would be Rossiter. Starting from now really he should be promoted to first team training looking to make cameos here and there so that he could be fast tracked next year, used similarly to how Shelvey was used in his first season with us at 18/19. To learn from the senior players around him for a good 18month period so that by the time he is 19/20 he can be an important fixture in the team, same goes for Williams as we would have the play the numbers game really.

So yeah next season I'd rather have someone like Rossiter in the team than say Allen who is always injured anyway, Brad Smith over Enrique etc. But if you are going to replace Gerrard then is has to be with quality.

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Don't be silly mate we've never found any good local talent, ie carra gerrard flano Ross Barkley, Wayne Rooney .look mate there is no talented player around our area history show that .you better to £100 millions on these top foreign player like biscan degen kromkamp maquilla Borini aspas .

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05 Jan 2015 05:15:27
HEY. No Need !!

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04 Jan 2015 20:15:30
Hi eds, do we seem to be close to be signing a replacement for mignolet, I've read articles on Ochoa from Malaga and Perin from Genoa, anything in those?

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

04 Jan 2015 20:02:45
We have lost our fear factor. When you have players like Suarez and Sturridge the opposition go into the match with caution and look to defend first because they know that you can punish them at any moment. When you go into a match with Lambert or Balotelli up front the opposition go into the game with confidence because they can easily defend against those kind of forwards. They have nothing to fear so they go out for the win and we don't know how to handle that confidence. If we want to improve we need to give the opposition something to fear. We need a striker who is proven. A striker that will make opposing teams go into a game with the fear that we can hurt them.

Red Rum

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{Ed002's Note - Crouch?}

04 Jan 2015 18:37:53
Message to all EDs. I've asked a good few questions last week or so and had good answers. Just wanted to acknowledge and thank you all.

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{Ed002's Note - You are very sweet - your hamper is on the way.}

04 Jan 2015 18:31:26
Bringing Origi back now is a massive gamble. His confidence is shot to bits, Rodgers massively over sold him as world class in the summer, and you can guarantee Rodgers will take every opportunity to make him a scapegoat for his own tactical shortcomings.

If he comes in and bags 5-10 goals, fair enough. He'll be an instant hero. If he blanks for 10 games like Balotelli though the fans will hammer him.

Fingers crossed he either stays in France till we're more stable or hits the ground running!

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Our 'fans' will hammer him if he does take ten games to score. But if that happens, if he plays well, tries hard and shows real interest then he'll get my full support.

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04 Jan 2015 18:56:46
A gamble i agree, but one that may well pay off. He'll suit of system much better than lone Ballotelli

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Completely agree Emre. People need to remember he is still a kid unlike Balotelli, Lambert and Borini and needs time and support.

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It just smacks of desperation, feel for the lad being put in that position, just hope that we don't put unrealistic expectations on his shoulders.

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Or change the manager and tactics and get the best out of the internationals and great players we already have. Let a new manager try and resurrect the season and if there must be sales to buy then let him make those decisions and not BR.

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Hammered by who Adam?

Get your arse down to Anfield and you'll find that we don't tend to hammer our own players. He'll get great support, goals or not, as long as he puts a shift in, which i'm sure he will.

The kid will be fine, as long as he doesn't take too much notice of the comments of some 'fans' on here.

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If it happens then it is, in my view, an awful decision by the club. Many things can go wrong, its paying extra money and its giving a young player huge burdens to carry.

@walton red - you mean like Markovic who was getting grief after 2 games?

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05 Jan 2015 11:16:39
In all fairness Walton, the last game I went to a good number of fans were singing songs about Mignolet to the tune of 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight' and giving him a "hammering".

Not saying this represents everyone at the ground by any means but there's certainly people there and on this site, social media, the press etc that will lay into him if he struggles. Unfortunately that just seems to be the way.

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04 Jan 2015 18:18:26
One small reply from me and ed001, you have five new writers.
So mate when you sending me that medal ?:=P:=D
p.s love it when the eds get more interactive . Makes the site much more interactive

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{Ed001's Note - medal? Hmmmm I have a Panini shiny Medel sticker for you instead.....}

04 Jan 2015 18:35:46
Ed001
If I take away that then what will you use to fantasize at night?
I wouldn't want to hurt you. ;-)

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{Ed001's Note - are you making a pass at me Reet???? =o

Il give you 4 swaps for your shiny

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{Ed001's Note - hmmmm which 4? Any badges??}

04 Jan 2015 19:05:59
Ed001
Admit it would be a dream come true. for u
Perhaps if you were a 15-18 year old girl then you'd have a shot. Alas you are 50 though you do tick the other category

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{Ed001's Note - a dream come true? Oh bless you.}

Ive got Steve Orgizovic, Ian Dowie, Mat Le Tissier and Steve Bruce. They worth it Eds?

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{Ed001's Note - wow attractive bunch that!}

04 Jan 2015 16:32:58
Eds what is the plan with flano will he get a new contract? Be a big mistake to let him go in my opinion

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{Ed002's Note - I would expect the club to seek a new deal.}

It surely has to be down to his injury and recovery. I like Flanno, but we have Wisdom and Manquillo, also McLaughlin could do a wingback role.

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04 Jan 2015 15:52:18
Cant help thinking that Shankly would have handled things in a completely different way with Stevie G. He may have recognised that his time wasnt too far away, but he would never have let Stevie get wind of it until Shankley was ready. He would blood his replacement and at a crucial time, and one that suited LFC 100%, he would tell Steve his time was up. He did that with all the great stars i.e Tommy Smith etc. Smithy never beared a grudge, he knew in his heart it was time.
Rogers may have jumped a bit too early both with Carragher, and now Stevie. Great players don't go bad overnight, and despite their experience still need motivating, and in most cases maybe a bit more than the young kids. Good management is all about timing and making your players want to run through a brick wall for you, only time will tell if Brendan has got it right.
I hope so.

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{Ed002's Note - You need to remember that things have changed with respect to transfers in the past 50 years Tel. Contracts need to be at least discussed 6 months before they are due to run out as players can talk with other clubs - at least non EPL clubs. This is not something that I would blame The Nose for.}

When you're ready come join us in 2015 with the bosman rule, employees rights, and a world wide sport grossing billions where you don't get paid 2 shillings a week but 150k

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04 Jan 2015 16:38:14
Good point Ed002 and bobatron. . analogue watch in a digital age comes to mind, I've missed some key points there, perhaps its time to hang up my writing boots, just like Stevie.
Retirement has just sneaked up on me and i didn't spot it coming.

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{Ed002's Note - We wouldn't want that Tel.}

04 Jan 2015 16:55:27
Things have changed and the balance of power is more in favoiur of the players and their agents. In the old days both Shanks and Paisley would probably have moved Gerrard on several years ago. paisley once sold a first team player without him even knowing he was up for sale.

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04 Jan 2015 18:39:56
Tommy Smith scored in the European cup 1977 3 years after shanks left his post as manager.just saying.that was his final game.

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What shanks and bob would have done is said thanks very much a year ago and that's it. No big send off, no drama, they did it to Hughes and others. Unfortunately it's all about contracts and money and rules these days.

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It wasn't Shanks it was paisley

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06 Jan 2015 05:44:38
Your right guys, it was Paisley, a lovely quiet person, but a ruthless manager when required. No ceremony, your out. ask Joey Jones after we let 4 goals in during one game. He struck fear into the team when required, but as its been pointed out by Ed002 and others, were in a different age now. Contracts and agents rule OK

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04 Jan 2015 15:22:58
Odd times at LFC.

Manager: Well my opinion has never changed. I don't like rogers and "in rogers we trust" was always spelled incorrectly in my opinion. More like In rogers we thrust. Thrust much needed transfer funds in to potential loaners to much smaller clubs. Thrust our superb youngsters into oblivion. I know he is rated highly as a coach and recently he seems to have found a formation that performs better. Fact is, he is not big enough nor good enough for LFC.

FFP: Well I believe we are well over the mark here. Why though?? This should never have happened especially with the Suarez sale and the youngsters we have. Money was again thrown away. And in the likely event we do get fined is that not our CL earnings lost?

Stevie G: Good luck to You and your Family. The best by far and I for one will never forget those Stevie moments. He cannot be replaced!
Another new era. Where is the world class player? Raheem could be, Hendo, no and he is my fav player but he is no SG. Lala is as good as he will ever be and for me the best buy last window but in world standards he is average at best. I also think Moreno has great potential.

Okay, let's buy a world class player. Oh, we cant! No money and even if we did have the money which world class player would want to join. Sanchez a prime example.

Transfers:
apologise to Valdes, beg borrow and crawl but sign him. Mingolet could learn so much from this man. I think though BR has already screwed this possibility.

Transfers out: Well this is difficult. There are so many BR purchased potentials but then we over spent on them coming in so there is no way we can make a profit here and most are simply not good enough anyway.

Bring our young guns back from loan as soon as possible and start with the youth again. I think that's where Stevie came from originally isn't it?

There is no easy answer to running a football club. Its very easy to sit in an armchair and criticize and I don't believe the owners are trying for these problems but it is obvious we have them and it is their job to sort it and not by selling Raheem to balance the books because at the moment that's what it looks like to me.

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{Ed002's Note - I would not go as far as saying Liverpool will be fined their champions league earnings. Of the clubs punished so far the penalties have been from €100k fine to €60M (partially deferred)fine and limitations on squad sizes and transfer spending for three years. In other cases clubs have been excluded (banned) from European completion. For Liverpool, until the investigations complete, payments are simply withheld.}

I hope you are right Eds002. That aside, the potential for a fine is there and that is simply wrong because it was an unnecessary to be in this position.

We have the youth! They are already amongst the best.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not "wrong" per se - if the club abused the regulations they signed up to then they have to "man up" and accept the punishment. However, if you perceive it as being wrong because the club has purchased players rather than using youth, I could probably counter that by saying that if Liverpool had used the kiddies then I would doubt that they would have fines to worry about as they would not be in the competition. Assaidi, Coates, Aspas, Ilori, Alberto, Yesil and Borini account (with agent and representatives fees, taxes, etc.) account for close to £50M spent for a relatively low number of appearances - that is what is fundamentally wrong.

I apologise for using the term "man up" - I am aware it is one of the LFC banned words & terms.}

One of the only reasons we qualified last year is because we had 2 world class players in the side. One SG and one LS. The youth that were played in particular flanno and sterling were exceptional. Suso would have benefitted from a sustained run even if his physicality is questionable, So I don't concur with your counter strike. And if we didn't qualify but spent other year improving our youth who knows what next year would have brought. Couldn't be much worse that this year with a debt.

And really Eds002 "man up"?? Evil :)

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04 Jan 2015 19:40:33
Adam Lalana has the best technical skill in our team, by far. He is also the best with the ball at his feat in the England squad. he glides with the ball. can't seem to figure out how being the most gifted player of English roots makes him average in the "world standards". But yes, he is the best buy of the summer.

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{Ed002's Note - The term "man up" is on the list of words and terms the all staff of the club are banned from using.}

Is that because of the nose edd?

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{Ed002's Note - No, because of the runt.}

04 Jan 2015 15:03:51
Too many living in dream land as to who BR is signing.

There will be no money spent on first team players.

Talk should be who will leave only then will there be any transfer ins.

If we do offload a few then there maybe one youngster from the two we watch regularly from the championship to come in.(again only if Lucas leaves)

A Keeper would be great but it will only be a loan or the ground work done for a summer transfer.

FFP will not go away we need take it seriously.

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Funny old time for lfc and sg.coming so close last year, I firmly believe that slip was the defining moment despite the fumble by the Sunderland goalie in the man city game, toure's gaff against west brom, sterlings disallowed goal against man city.still, the change this year has been and still is immense.many reasons caused this but Suarez going was main one.I have had kops season ticket 23 years now and last season Suarez took the biscuit.boticelli was an awful replacement lazy, slow and doesn't fit the system in place.for me, cut losses, sell him and boringly for cash and get some pace and finishing and trickery up top.for me i'd go all out although I know chelski wouldn't be keen due to the Moses thing but cech till end season at least.I've been watching EDS replies with interest for a long time and Skytel i agree is a big problem and not good enough so cash in while can, would really like to see what Lori and wisdom could do.Coates could have a chance or be sold, there is sales to be had to get money as EDS says we are losing money so need to sell to buy.like EDS also says, why loan out all these players and keep buying, we have some cracking young talent, let's play them, people like suso, llori, wisdom, rossiter, ibe and on that note recall him straight away.we know sterling can play upfront now so buy a new to supplement studge and have Lambert and sterling to change things.Can't wait for flanno to get back, a proper front footed defender that will get stuck in.we also imp need an enforcer in central midfield, big, strong, pacey and with energy.with sg getting older and now going we have lost pace and power, irreplaceable really but we need to find a new way. Rossiter maybe?i like delli ali and will Hughes, maybe wanyama or de yong, would any big stars come like khedira?i wish. I think we will struggle top 4 this year but then last year I thought 5th or 6th at start.Europa league is probably our best bet as aldo said.sg must hope for trophy and league cup is one we are in touching distance it would be nice to see him lift again if nothing else, and would as always be a good day out.watching with interest EDS views on Brentan and fsg restructuring, dof might be way forward but seems like Br is on borrowed time.big thing I want to say about the new stadium development is do fsg realise what the kop will look like? it will look small, dwarfed and they harp on about it being the showpiece but will seem insignificant to the other stands in a way even the Annie road with a third tier.I know the pillars at end pose problems but architecture is immense these days, they can take the kop higher, there is space to the road, make it steeper and create more leg room and also make the corners with the jaggedy incoming bits into a square and get at least another 5000 seats? don't get me wrong, i like the new plans and they are desperately needed but the kops HAS to have something done to it and soon.great work EDS and love your work, you sure know what's going on.coxxy

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04 Jan 2015 14:51:00
We, would Origi be cup-tied fornthe Europa League if we got him back early or would Lille being out of the competition allow him to play?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes he would be.}

04 Jan 2015 14:50:56
Hi eds, just heard through a football agent that we are to recall Origi from loan, this guy gets it right 90% of the time so I thought I would pass it on

Cheers

Henlow red

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{Ed002's Note - See previous posts.}

04 Jan 2015 14:14:31
Reading the Sunday world in Eire here and I would just like to stick this message up in support of one of my fav liverpool players who has been accused by some people who believed he gave an interview to the sun."I couldn't believe it when it appeared on the Sun's website, Also tells us."I played in the fateful match at Hillsborough and have fought to clear the names of the dead people who were treated so horribly by the sun."I've been offered lots of money to do stories for the Sun down the years, but no one on Merseyside will have anything to do with that paper.I just want to make it clear I did not give an interview to them and never will."

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Who's that about Tommy?

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04 Jan 2015 14:59:49
Sorry that also tells us is meant to say aldo.John Aldridge mate.

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Aldo would not do it, for no amount of money, simple as that. I am sure he will be gutted it has even been suggested.
I don't think we need to worry Tommy.

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04 Jan 2015 18:53:09
I know he wouldn't but the way the media put a spin on things some people have taken things they seen on a website to be attributed to an individual whom had no idea he was being put on that rags website.

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04 Jan 2015 13:50:43
TeveZ anyone?

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04 Jan 2015 14:31:37
Didn't he used to be a footballer , name rings a bell .

Isn't he 31 in four weeks time ?

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04 Jan 2015 13:25:34
So Brendan has asked the Owners to buy ready made players, have to think now who bought the players over the summer Brendan or the Owners? Who should we be blaming for not buying quality & experience over potential when that was all we needed?

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The owners know nothing about football, so why would they suddenly start buying players?

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This has already been covered several times. The Owners don't buy or sell as such, they provide the funding and investmet. They will leave things like buying and selling to the people that should know, that is, The Transfer Committee, which BR is very much part and other relevant people that need to be involved with buying and selling within the Club.

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Aren't Lallana and Henderson ready made? Buying more at this point makes no sense. We should be selling and get in compliance with ffp.

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If you think back to last January when Rodgers tried to get konoplyenka.
If he had got him where would sterling be upto at this point?

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Kashi that's all well and done but it's the owners who curtail the arrangement to supplement their hedging theme. It's like giving your son £30 grand for a car but telling him he can't shop at Landrover as the running costs are too high, he can't have a new car as you get hit with VAT and he's not allowed to buy a sports car because of the insurance premium, so what's he left with? Secondhand Ford or vauxhall runarounds where he can buy 2 or 3 with the £30k.

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{Ed002's Note - It is far from a hedging scheme now Ozone with the level of investment they have thrown at the club (albeit based on borrowing now). People are all too easily forgetting the close to £50M spent on agent and representative fees that the club has incurred since the owners arrived. As an example - more than £15M was spent this last summer. Additionally there are the wages of the players and other staff, work on the renovation of the main stand of the du Arena (or whatever it will be called), cost of the revamping of the football side of the business etc. to take in to account. I have explained before that 2017 will provide a major break point for owners who wish to sell their EPL assets. I would think the chances of the finances being settled and the owners taking the opportunity to move on would be pretty high.}

Im not saying that they identified the players and then went and bought them, i'm saying did they inform Brendan and the committee what type of players they will sanction, ie.young potential with resale value and not above a certain age? If they did then the summer debacle is all down to them and maybe not all Brendans fault. By the way Henderson was not ready made when we bought him and Lallana is only ready made in the PL not for Europe.

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{Ed002's Note - I still think those "guidelines" have been rather over-played. Clubs will always look to younger players where they can but it is not simply for financial reasons. Lovren and Lallana are certainly mid 20s or so and they were hardly cheap. Lambert may have been cheap but the cost of his pension contributions and the costs of having stair lifts installed have to be taken in to account.}

I love you eds002

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{Ed002's Note - Have you signed up for the Ed002 Appreciation Society at: tinyurl.com/c6j7t2m }

04 Jan 2015 16:37:43
Thank you Ed002, this was a great read
Really appreciate it.

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04 Jan 2015 17:03:14
Bottom line is the squad has got to be a blend of established stars, young players with high potential and internally promoted youngsters. Everybody - owners, BR, transfer committee etc know this. The problems have been largely getting the blend right. We don't have enough 'established stars', too many of the 'young players with high potential' turn out to have little potential at all, and not enough young internal players are making the grade/being given a chance.

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The £50 mill agents fees interesting Ed. That also suggests to me that effectively our scouting system is the bare minimum. Given that agents have attracted such high fees, I would assume that the majority of signings have been offered to the club by agents as opposed to LFC scouting network identifying a required player and subsequently negotiating. It seems to me that various agents may have welcomed the owners transfer policy as this seems to have indirectly attracted a premium through narrowing the scope of the marketplace and enabling a 'found you one that ticks the criteria' approach from the agents.

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{Ed002's Note - The scouting network has already been revamped by the owners this past summer. The fees this summer were particularly high for two players. In other cases it is the simply the number of players Liverpool has been buying.}

Plus maybe if the owners had focused all their efforts on revamping the football side of things from the outset as opposed to worrying so heavily on fulfilling their short term venture capitalist goals, the business aspect may have just fell into place with all the required revenues coming from the success on the pitch. They saw the Arsenal model and have been unable to see a clear picture for the $$$$.

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{Ed002's Note - They have been working through the club top to bottom. (a) A new overlord is in place in England. (b) The commercial side has been reworked with a nice new office in London. (c) Academy has had a shake up with new staff. (d) Scouting network has been cleansed.

They are getting there Ozone. The big fear would be another shake up of the playing staff and further time in the transitional wilderness. If, as I expect, Rodgers is moved on over the summer and a new structure put in place, the first interview question for the manager has to be "with the extant playing staff, what would you be looking to do?" Obviously I don't know how AVB or Rafa will answer that question. }

Yes I'm aware of Hogan the overlord sitting in his shiny office in London concocting ways to tap into the 580 million global fan base Ed. All designed to bolster revenues and further inflate capital value in readiness for the big sale in 2017. There is absolutely no aspect of the owners business model to suggest longevity in the interests of success on the pitch.

Let's face it your man Roman wants bragging rights on his yacht with his muckers and therefore gets drunk on the success of Chelsea on the pitch, the owners at Man City have a bigger picture in terms of their brand which
also requires success on the pitch and Utd have no other alternative but to go down the galactico route as a fall in the share price and their fair weathered fans acting with their feet could cripple them as a business. LFC on the other hand was acquired under distressed circumstances at a snippet by a bunch of venture capitalists with hedge fund management backgrounds adopting a short term business model geared to flipping the business at an inflated capital value by simply reducing expenditure, bolstering commercial revenues and expanding the ground. In fact, it could be argued that they may be dressing the business for a sale to an institutional type owner.

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Yes I'm aware of Hogan the overlord sitting in his shiny office in London concocting ways to tap into the 580 million global fan base Ed. All designed to bolster revenues and further inflate capital value in readiness for the big sale in 2017. There is absolutely no aspect of the owners business model to suggest longevity in the interests of success on the pitch.

Let's face it your man Roman wants bragging rights on his yacht with his muckers and therefore gets drunk on the success of Chelsea on the pitch, the owners at Man City have a bigger picture in terms of their brand which
also requires success on the pitch and Utd have no other alternative but to go down the galactico route as a fall in the share price and their fair weathered fans acting with their feet could cripple them as a business. LFC on the other hand was acquired under distressed circumstances at a snippet by a bunch of venture capitalists with hedge fund management backgrounds adopting a short term business model geared to flipping the business at an inflated capital value by simply reducing expenditure, bolstering commercial revenues and expanding the ground. In fact, it could be argued that they may be dressing the business for a sale to an institutional type owner.

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{Ed002's Note - The owners long for success on the pitch and have invested accordingly - the issues surrounding some other choices is where they have screwed up. Comolli, Dalglish and Rodgers were serious mistakes - as I explained from the day Comolli arrived.

I don't see that comparison between owners really works too well. Chelsea has a long-serving owner who is a football fan and is not looking for a profit. Liverpool has owners who are sports investors looking to build an asset to achieve on field sporting success and off-field commercial success - eventually leading to a valuable asset that can be used to leverage other sales or sold at a profit. The reality is that it has cost them far more to run the club than they could imagine and we are indeed looking at a possible sale in 2017. I have for years explained the issues surrounding institutional owners - Manchester United are at risk of that; Liverpool less so.}

Except they haven't reduced expenditure, quite the opposite really. Bottom line is Liverpool will be worth the most if it is successful, both on and off the pitch, so in that our interests are very much aligned with the owners, whatever you think their motivations are.

I think you perhaps are overthinking things though. Henry bought a newspaper and no one with any rational thought to making money as a prime motive would do so. If all he cared about was making more money, he'd probably go back to selling soybeans and Werner would probably go back to producing in Hollywood.

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That's my point Ed, the main issue being that your boys have a football fan as an owner. He wants success and will dig deep into his own pockets if necessary. He clearly celebrates success and puts it before profiteering. We have vultures as owners who aren't interested in trophies but solely $$$$ and top 4 if possible to facilitate enhanced $$$$$

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea has worked toward being self-sufficient and have managed to do it. Liverpool want the same but due to a number of poor decisions are stuck with significant debt - it was never simple profiteering - but I do understand your point.

If Liverpool can get the right folks in over the summer and sell to buy this summer then they can start to settle. The players are pretty good generally (albeit the "fans" want them replaced of course). Someone needs to look at the players with contracts post this summer, the reserves and the loan players and to pick who they want for now, who they want for the future, and who they can sell. Anything they need should still come from the money from sales - and even then FFP may continue to be an issue.

The owners are not bad people - they have just made some bad decisions.}

05 Jan 2015 05:48:18
Thanks for your responses Ed002.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

04 Jan 2015 13:20:16
Quick shout out to Jack Dunn and Kevin Stewart loaned out to Cheltenham town for a month and both scored on their respective debuts winning 2-1. Lloyd jones also played the full 90.

I heard Dunn looked really impressive

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04 Jan 2015 12:57:41
Forget your rumours, I can't wait till the end of the transfer windows so another sky sports presenter gets another (cough cough) vibrating purple hairbrush in the ear.

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04 Jan 2015 12:49:46
Dear Eds or anyone else,

Why is BR fixated with the idea that he doesn't need a defensive coach in spite of shipping out goals for three seasons now?

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{Ed001's Note - because he is confident in his abilities, maybe overconfident or arrogant even, depending on your point of view.}

I'd go with arrogant. He's been like that since he walked through the door - and i'm still yet to see how that arrogance is justified. What has he done in the game to think he knows best?

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Or insane. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

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04 Jan 2015 13:47:29
{Ed001's Note - because he is confident in his abilities, maybe overconfident or arrogant even, depending on your point of view.}
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Well its not that simple, he strongly believes in the system he wants to implement, the pressing game that many of you salivates over, where defence starts in the attacking third , every outfield player is a defender , and as such you can't isolate the defensive unit and coach it separately, everyone need to be involved. If you look at Barcelona with their defensive problems that have been going on for several years now , they also don't have a defensive coach, but its not such a big issue for them; the offensive system they play works because of the players they have. Similar to us last year; the back line did n't seem as bad because the forward play was much better.

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{Ed001's Note - well it is that simple, because all you have done is say the same thing as me in a lot more words and try and sugar coat it. Oh and you can isolate units and coach them as units, I don't understand that suggestion by you, they still have to work as units and they will still train them as units. Do they never play 5 on 3 etc? Yes they do, because they are working as units then! Silly comment Roy, quite simply not true.

Barca's defensive problems are not relevant to this discussion, only the deluded can think there is any comparison between us and them at the moment!}

04 Jan 2015 13:51:02
I'd go with arrogant
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Mourinho, Van Gaal and even Fergie were all arrogant from the very start of their career, apparently its a required ingredient to be a successful manager. You just need the football intelligence to go with it .

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{Ed001's Note - not sure that is true, again, like I said there, it is a viewpoint thing. Arrogance is not required though, Howard Kendall is far from an arrogant man and he had a bit of success.}

04 Jan 2015 14:49:25
{Ed001's Note - well it is that simple, because all you have done is say the same thing as me in a lot more words and try and sugar coat it
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I did n't say I disagree with you, all I said there is more to it. The question was about "why he doesn't need a defensive coach" , and to me the answer to this specific question is because of the system he wants to implement will not require a defensive coach. Not sure why the 5 on 3 comes into it, they all involved,Its about defensive transition;every player to react quickly to loosing possession, nearest player closes down, doubling up blah blah blah

Barca's defensive problems are not relevant to this discussion, only the deluded can think there is any comparison between us and them at the moment!}
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Its relevant because this is what Brendan wants to imitate and this is where overconfident or arrogance come into it, because as you rightly said "only deluded can think there is any comparison between us and them" , unfortunately overconfidence and arrogance can make you deluded.

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{Ed001's Note - 5 on 3 comes into it as players are split up into units of 5, 3 or 4 etc to practice the pressing. You don't press as a team, you press as a pack. Or at least when it is working well it is done like that. Some members of the team have to hold off the press or everyone would just end up completely out of position and easily dragged into the wrong areas.}

04 Jan 2015 14:52:44
Howard Kendall is far from an arrogant man and he had a bit of success.}
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And you comparing Kendall's limited success to that of Mourinho,Fergie and Van gaal , sorry mate but to use your words "Silly comment Ed"

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{Ed001's Note - limited success? He had his team competing with the best team in the world and beating us on a regular basis in a much more competitive league. Hardly silly to compare them. If it wasn't for his drinking, his success would be much longer term. Sorry but you are talking about van Gaal and then trying to comment on others! That man is not a success - he has been drummed out of every club as a failure since his Ajax days. The only time he has succeeded is on better men's coat-tails, as soon as he actually had any control he failed, miserably. He is a whiny bitch, who does nothing but upset players with his sheer arrogance. It will all end in tears at United as well, despite the huge sums of money available to him.}

I hope you're right ed

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04 Jan 2015 17:16:08
All leaders are arrogant - they have to have belief in themselves and to have vision. Succesful leaders though make judgement after listening to their advisors (boot room?). Truly exceptional leaders invariably have an advisor that will always give them an opposing position, so that they have to consider other options seriously (Alexander The Great for example). Brendan has self-belief and vision. He seems to lack advisors - particularly ones that will robustly oppose him and show alternatives. This means he just follows his own way whenever he can, and means he will then blame bad results on everything except his choices.

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This is where BR is not a leader. A good leader is always ready to listen to his lieutenants and ready to accepts other people`s views and advice. BR surrounds himself w/ people who cannot/won`t oppose him hence, he looks like a leader in his own head YET in reality, he is not because he still makes stupid mistakes that make him look stupid to the outside world.

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04 Jan 2015 12:38:47
In my humble opinion we really do need a top quality replacement for stevie not 2 or 3 average players as is BR usual buys.

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Why? We have the players already, they just need a chance in the team in their correct position. We played better for the most part this season without him which suggests we have the replacements.

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100 percent agreed mate. No need to spend use the reserves and academy players. We accommodate SG and end up shuffling the pack so we can shoe horn him in. I will be gutted when the final day as this season is upon us, he will be sorely missed. But the players we have must be given a chance to take us forward. Some of BR buys have been with us for 2 years and over, we used to blood players over a couple of seasons. I would be happy to do that if they have the potential and are willing to push themselves.

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You can't beat quality an experience in the middle of the field there's going to be far too much pressure on a young academy player filling SG boots.

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{Ed002's Note - And what about the likes of Henderson, Can, Allen and Lallana? Not to mention the more attack minded Sterling, Markovic, Coutinho and Sterling?}

^ brother your late for dinner

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I agree with the people saying we don't need to spend. We have so many midfielders that can take over Stevies role. Whether it be attacking midfielder or playing in a deeper position, we have someone to cover it.

Look at how we played vs Swansea, ok it wasn't the blisteringly fast attacking football we played last season, but we controlled the game really well and showed them who's boss.

Can, Allen, Henderson, Coutinho, Lallana and Markovic can all play in either the attacking or deeper midfield position to some degree, plus Jordan Rossiter is meant to be the next big thing.

So let's be honest here guys. The only reason we should be buying any midfielders, is if we sell any of the names above.

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We don`t need a great player costing millions. We already have players here. Play them and encourage them NOT to be the next SG but to be the best LFC player they can be nd write their own history just like SG wrote his.

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Oh well it must be just me and robbie fowler who thinks we need quality.

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04 Jan 2015 12:17:38
Let me just clarify the Gerrard situation.

What we have to remember is the premier league is one of the quickest leagues in the world.

You now have a player who's body can't perform at his very high standards he sets himself.

He wants to go out at the top, he was always going to leave us at the end of this season and hang up his boots .

Clearly he has decided to give La Galaxy a go where he will be by far the best player in the MLS, the pace of the game will suit him.

The last game of the season will be a sad one for us reds and most football fans.

He is for me the greatest player to have played for us and has given us all some unbelievable memories .

But i can guarantee he will return is some capacity at the end of his stint in the states.

Lets enjoy the legend till the end of the season and see if he can lift one or more cups for us at the end of it.

Cheers

Macca

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Welcome back Macca. Any news on ins and outs?

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Cheers macca maybe if you'd of told us on Wednesday itd of been worth a read! Nice to see you back hopefully you can give us a few names that we sign before they happen

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Macca, you say Gerrard was always going to leave us at the end of this season, if i'm right Ed01 hints/says Gerrard wanted a longer contract that was on offer, a little confusing??
Also interesting to note the difference in opinion of yourself saying the greatest player to play for us and other Ed(s) and posters who in some cases not even in their top ten, for the record, he's in my top five every day of the week and maybe higher, being a season ticket holder from 1971 we've had some unbelievable players and men, I can't split Dalglish, Suarez, Gerrard (who I think are my top 3) with honourable mentions to Clemence, keegan, Souness, Hansen, Rush, Barnes, Fowler. Also got to mention Torress as he was almost unplayable at his peak and also Alonso who I loved to watch. Other players to master their position include Neal, Emlyn, Cally, I could go on and on. Apologies if I've missed anyone.

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Thanks Macca

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Welcome back pal

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Not trying to be overly argumentative, but the pace of the typical MLS game is actually really high, although primarily due to a 'lump it and chase it' mentality rather than the 'poetry in motion' side of the game.

I do agree MLS is not exactly the best competition in the world, but given the wage bill of the entire MLS is smaller than just Liverpool's wage bill, it's a pretty good standard of play for the price being paid (there are only 5 players on the LA Galaxy who make over £2.5k a week, as another example, and the entire first team's wage bill is roughly £8M a year).

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04 Jan 2015 11:50:09
Gerrard - Lack of game time! He has appearedin 26 out of 29 - only Sterling has played in more matches. However, in my opinion 26 appearences is a lot more than should have been as his presence has all too often been non-influencial. He's been great but is not even good these days.

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{Ed001's Note - he was told he would play less next season.}

He should be playing less this season. It has been evident in the performances we have had without him

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04 Jan 2015 11:17:58
hey eds after all the fuss about Stevie G leaving what is going to happen to BR are the club going to keep him and install a DOF and probably upgrade the staff or will he be gone by next season but the players are certainly backing him atm.

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{Ed001's Note - depends on what the review has to say, but it seems unlikely he will agree to any changes.}

Cheers eds and yeahh he needs to sort his ego out first

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04 Jan 2015 11:38:41
Rumours Sterling is to sign a contract that fine
Ibe and Flanno and Suso are all in there last year we would want to get a move on these 3 could serve our squad for years to come will be a massive loose I understand suso will probably leave

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04 Jan 2015 11:36:37
My question is if Steven Gerrard moves on who will be captain my guess is Skrtel

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04 Jan 2015 11:53:26
Henderson will be the captain and rightly so.

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Hendo and Lallana vc

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Given the current pecking order, it should be Henderson, but I've a feeling that Rodgers will pick someone else should he still be here next season.

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I'm with Bob on this.
I think Jordan has been groomed for this role. He has also been an international captain to boot.
Lallana would make a great vice captain, captained the saints for a good few years and a very mature head on relatively young shoulders.
Good luck to you lads.
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BR won`t be here next year hence, will hsve NO say in who will be captain.

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04 Jan 2015 11:09:00
Gents, i'm old school and make no apologies for that. I was brought up in an age where we all supported our own teams, but respected other supporters for liking their own teams. I was the only red in my family, and took some stick for it, but never vindictive or nasty, just banter.
I went to awesome games when we played the blues, i was the one in the red hat and scarf, surrounded by thousands of evertonians in goodison rd stand, the sad day that jimmy case broke geoff nultys leg. I thought it was a fair tackle, but noone near me agreed surprisingly. But there was no anger or fighting, just mutual sadness for a good player injured.
Sadly things have changed. Rival supporters scream filthy obscenities at players, spewing venom at players who just happen to be playing for opposing teams.
I went to the 1986 cup final between reds and blues, it was fabulous but I doubt it could be repeated in todays climate of animosity, which is sad really, which gets me to my point.
Our own supporters through the wonders of modern technology, many of whom have never even been to a game, can now vent their spleens on anyone they want, players, managers, whoever. without any backlash. The abuse directed at the EDs on this site that I have seen on this very site a couple of years ago was unbelievable, and it now seems to be vented at our players. I really find this sad and we need to change.
Liverpool supporters in my day and age where tough lads brought up in the 60s on the streets of Liverpool, but fought and had honour and most of all respect for their opponents and especially their own team.
Its time we started showing respect for our rival supporters and their players, but most importantly, this endless criticism of our idols, our team, our management has to end.
We are liverpool supporters, we have been given the lead by our fathers and we as supporters of this great club who were once renowned for our humour, decency and respect, need to start earning the reputation that was once bestowed upon us.or lose it forever.
Give Brendan a chance, encourage the team even when they don't win, give the team confidence and show the world that we are the greatest supporters in the land. Stop thinking that your own views must be shared with the world, however vitriolic they may be. Everyone deserves a chance at least give our own team that chance, or go and support someone else.

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{Ed001's Note - surely criticism is fine, it is the way it is expressed that is the issue?}

'Stop thinking that your own views should be shared with the world' - what is the aim of this site then? According to you we should just put the YNWA' music here. And didn't you jsut did that now - shared your own views with the rest of us?

I honestly don't understand the view that fans should never criticise their team, whatever the performance is and I don't believe it was ever the case with fans even in the good old days. I am sure even 100 years ago when a professional team was playing poorly the fans expressed their dissapointment. There is a way to do it (and not to do it), it should be respectful and with a bit of perspective but fans who never criticise the team are fans with no expectations and their team will never get anywhere.

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04 Jan 2015 12:01:36
Very well written Tel.

Spot on.

Criticism is fine, but the moaning aspect of the criticism is terrible.

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10 paragraphs later. stop thinking your own views should be shared with the world. Welcome to the world wide web Tel. You have just shared your views with world.

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Marco, the message i was trying to get across was to keep vindictive and nasty crticisms to yourself, but by all means share any other positive or well intended views with everyone. We all want to hear peoples views but we don't necessarily want to hear people constantly moaning about how bad our team may or may not be, especially vindictive and nasty comments about our team

What is the point in constantly criticising? If your not happy with something move on. support a team that wins like Chelsea maybe? They have a great team and win every week ( almost ) but my team is Liverpool so I do what I can to help them

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After the millions spent and the promises made by the manager. The performances this season have been dire. So if people want to criticize then fair enough. Yes I agree with not getting personal part.
You stated we should all get behind the team even when we lose. Yes we should but not after what we have had to watch this year which has been awful bar two games.
So for you to tell supporters to go support a winning team is pathetic.

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04 Jan 2015 11:08:39
If Johnson leaves in the summer as expected, and Steven Gerard has definitely gone. I wonder what this adds upto as a monthly figure in wages off the astronomical bill?

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It all goes to cover Sterling's new contract

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£240,000 a week i reckon, so glad we can look forward to a whole new start, most likely under a new manager at the end of the season with the last of the old guard gone who are holding us back.

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04 Jan 2015 13:08:37
last of the old guard gone who are holding us back
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How naive . So I will expect nothing less than a premier league title next year.

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Dont remember saying it would lead to a league title next season at all roy?

Just because there's a lot up in the air for debate at the moment doesn't mean you can twist peoples opinions and have a go. I think that was more childish and naive of you to pull that out of my post and take that from it, rather than myself for posting it in the first place.

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GJ, Skertel, and this season SG are holding us back and the more we shed the dead weight (GJ, for sure), the better we will be.

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04 Jan 2015 10:25:49
Much talk about ex-players on here during recent posts reminds me of a time when, after some high jinks had taken place during a training session, Jason McAteer "affectionately known as Trigger" was asked by Kenny if he knew what a forfeit was ?


To which he replied, Sammy lee's overcoat ☆


YNWA

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{Ed001's Note - McAteer was double trigger mate, Rob Jones was Trigger when Jase arrived and was so dim they just added double in front. Remember him shouting 180 at a snooker player? When asked to pass the tomato sauce he asked red or brown? There are thousands more I have heard over the years and almost all he admitted were true!}

04 Jan 2015 10:49:22
My Mrs once said she thought the capital of Australia was New Zealand. When I corrected her the response was "well it's the same country though"

It's a good job she's pretty.

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Ha ha Quality Ed,

So that's Jones & McAteer, could you name 3 more ex-reds, (or players in general) that could join them to take on the Eggheads.

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{Ed001's Note - Emlyn Hughes would have had to be in there, if he was still with us. It is tough trying to pick ones that are more outstandingly lacking in mental acuity than the rest. It would be much easier to name the bright ones, as it would be such a short list!!!}

Yep ✓

She sounds Dumb enough to be a manc Chris ✄



Kind Regards

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04 Jan 2015 11:57:57
The best McAteer story is the one concerning the car keys. It's absolutely hilarious. Me and one of my mates once bumped into him in a bar near the Ritzy in Bromborough. He definately was not the brightest sparkler in the packet.

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{Ed001's Note - which one is that one? You ever heard the one about his mam when he first broke into footie? He spent his first pay packet on clothes, including a polo shirt which was longer at the back than the front like a lot are. His mam went to hang it on the line and thought she had shrunk the front, so decided to cut the back to the same size......}

Top reply ha

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04 Jan 2015 12:32:59
So it runs in his family then Ed?

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{Ed001's Note - clearly mate, bless him. He is a great lad Jason, but if you ever do get the chance to talk to him, ask him about Roy Keane........}

04 Jan 2015 13:16:24
Hi Ed001 it was something along the lines of he locked his car keys in the car on his driveway, so called out a locksmith to break into his car, when all the time his front door was open and the spare car keys were in the house.

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{Ed001's Note - ah yes I remember that one. Wasn't it a freezing cold day and he was either in and out of the house constantly or shivering outside in the cold, depending on who tells you the story?}

What about the one when roy evans called rob jones over for his "quarterzone injection" and mcateer mistaking the painkilling injection for a new sports car shouting "if he's having a new car I want a new car!" Classic!

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{Ed001's Note - if only the game still had characters like him in it!}

04 Jan 2015 13:55:46
When filling out a credit card application form razor said he wrote right back in the occupation box.

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{Ed001's Note - I remember this one, he actually wasn't sure what to fill in because he was usually a midfielder but was playing right back at the time. The story is that he had to ask the lads for advice on what to put there because of it. Bless him.}

04 Jan 2015 15:14:51
The one where he was getting a pizza in a restaurant and the waitress asked would he like it cut in 4 or 8 slices. His reply was cut it in 4, I'd never eat 8.

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Edd001 what did you make of royal Keane both as a man and manager?

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{Ed001's Note - he is a nasty piece of work, a coward. His elbow on McAteer from behind said it all for me. McAteer is not exactly a hard man, but he didn't have the guts to attack from the front. As a player he was top class, but he is a crap manager. His attitude of throwing toys out of the pram when things aren't exactly how he wants them is not suited to management. He needs to grow up really.}

Based on his latest book, that is not going to happen anytime soon.

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04 Jan 2015 09:39:38
Er ed001. I think the world wants the to be a writer so if there's anything going could u let me know please?

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{Ed001's Note - I will ask Ed033 to contact you with the details if you wish to get involved. We need more writers thank you.}

Put me on the list too if possible ed. ?

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{Ed001's Note - ok mate, added it to Ed033's list.}

04 Jan 2015 09:53:20
Hey Ed. has my previous post been deleted somehow?

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{Ed002's Note - No idea, sorry.}

04 Jan 2015 08:38:55
Is Norberto Neto the goalkeeper from Fiorentina any good?

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{Ed002's Note - Measured how?}

Upgrade to Mignolet?

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{Ed002's Note - I can't see that people will be happy.}

04 Jan 2015 10:13:30
Oh come on Ed002 since when the question is a player any good unclear? do you think he is a good choice to imp improve our GK position? and is the fact you published an article about him refusing to sign a contract with Fiorentian mean there is high likelihood he is coming our way?

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{Ed001's Note - give it a rest, that is nothing to do with Ed002. This was the kind of idiotic comment that had always put us off doing a news site, people can't differentiate between an article about him refusing to sign a contract and having been linked to us and what an editor is actually saying. The news site is nothing to do with Ed002, we can't afford professional writers of his quality, sadly.}

You mean he won't do it for free ed001? Miserable sod! Too busy flying around on his Segway, down to Tesco to stock up on his gin?

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{Ed001's Note - being perfectly honest, I think he does enough for the sites for free already, so have never actually asked him. Plus that way he can not be held responsible for anything said on there.

Oh and his gin bill would probably bankrupt a Russian oligarch.....}

So to sum up ED001 do you think he is likely to come our way and what do you make of him as a GK option

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{Ed001's Note - not seen much of him play to have an opinion on his ability. Last time I saw him was for Brazil in their Olympic team. Likely? Hard to say as he has a number of choices, but I do believe he has an offer from us to consider.}

04 Jan 2015 14:21:03
I always thought Ed002 was a Russian Oligarch anyway, and such a nice lady too

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04 Jan 2015 08:25:23
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Fiorentina confirm rumoured Liverpool target has refused to sign new contract

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04 Jan 2015 08:54:50
Ed001
If you guys are ever looking for writers I'd like to volunteer. I have a lot of free time coming up

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{Ed001's Note - ok mate, I will get Ed033 to email you the details. We are defo looking for more writers.}

I would also love the opportunity

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{Ed001's Note - ok thank you, added you as well.}

I too have lots of free time being currently unemployed and stuff, so I'll volunteer too, why not!

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{Ed001's Note - thank you mate.}

04 Jan 2015 08:02:51
Hi Eds,
i remember asking you ages ago about a chat function- I know some streaming sites have a live chat during the stream and its quite good to have a little banter in while watching. Could you incorporate something like this that was only running during games?

Thanks ed001 and Ed002 for always replying to my questions (I try to keep them from being too inane!)

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{Ed001's Note - we actually have had this in planning for a while mate. We have tested a version of it on the wrestling site, during pay per view events, to see if it worked. We found it was popular enough to make it worthwhile looking into for the long term, it is just now a case of figuring out the best way to do it. We are looking to try out a few test variants in the coming PPV events on there (simply because there are always a lot of editors on hand there to keep an eye on it), until we find a system that works. Once we find one, then it will be rolled out gradually to the football sites on match days. I am not sure when that will be, I doubt we will be able to get it done this season, as Ed033 has so many other tasks to do as well. We are aiming to get it up and running properly for next season across the board.}

04 Jan 2015 05:21:18
Gerrard retired and so goes the man who carried a 600 million family own its own from years.
Will I ever get a chance to come back in Eds

Warming the bench is not a sweet scene.

Cheers

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04 Jan 2015 07:33:54
You my friend are on course to break some records.:-)
I think there is some problem with your system or someone has hacked your account you haven't been abusing anyone as far as I can see.

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04 Jan 2015 00:54:01
Hi EDs. Two part question. but linked, hope it's ok.

After seeing Ojo on the bench are there any plans, news, hope of other U21 players being introduced to the first team during the rest of the season.
Randall, Dunn, Ward, Brannagan or Sinclair looking likely to break through?
Are they not good enough or maybe strong enough yet? Just thought it would be ideal for them to have played alongside Gerrard before he goes, be in the dressing room during a match etc.

Second part. Is Rodgers viewed as enabling progression for our U21 players into the first team as successful or not. I think not over his last two seasons. I thought as part of his philosophy it was to encourage youth? The top to bottom club assessment I've seen mentioned here, how important is introducing our own youth to FSG?

I hear our youth players are great, full of potential etc.

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{Ed001's Note - there are always plans to put them on the bench mate, but planning it is different from doing it. There is more to introducing them than just sticking them on the bench and having them watch a match too. No one will ever know if they really are good enough unless they get the chance to play!

No he is not seen as working well with the academy. It was supposed to be a major part of his role. The assessment might not have happened if the results had been the same but he had been introducing youth players from the academy instead of wasting huge sums of money. The academy is seen as vital to the future of the club by FSG.}

Thanks ED, just as I had thought. With Stevie going it had me thinking about what players we've had come through in recent years and which current kids have had good enough reviews to breakthrough.

Not sure when the assessment will be handed over to FSG, or whether it will result in Rodgers leaving - especially if results improve when Strurridge returns or a trophy is won - but I do hope it encourages FSG to force whoever is the coach/manager to utilise the academy.

Maybe if we have transfer budgets in future windows the coach is only allowed 1-2 new players to replace/upgrade current first team. So this summer a GK for no1 with Mignolet and Ward fighting for no2. All other gaps have to be filled by our own youth.

If Kolo retires, 'fans' favourite Skrtel or Sakho are sold then Illori and Wisdom have to be used. I think we already have the players to replace Enrique, Lambert, Gerrard, Allen, Ballotelli and Johnson.

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03 Jan 2015 19:10:07
Ed001, would just like to hear what you think of Shaqiri?

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{Ed001's Note - I think he is talented but lacks the attitude to use that talent. I would avoid him at all costs as he is just another Balotelli.}

03 Jan 2015 23:55:42
Didn't take long for shaqiri to decide on a poor inter . Shame he was a poor mans suarez . Cud have benefited us

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04 Jan 2015 01:43:41
With support like that he is better off at Milan imo.I don't think he is what we need right now considering there is a good few players of his position knocking about the place how about sorting that keeper r that striker r a right back you actually trust with your life instead of pulling Jordan from his proper position sorry I forgot you trust Johnson why why why.maybe my support is useless too.

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Thank God! He is overrated and and an extreme under-achiever.

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